Two Point Conversion with BYU Football: A Gospel Discussion Podcast

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts are back with a shorter-than-usual episode — Chase is reporting early to Las Vegas for Raiders training camp, and Connor is deep in final prep mode for BYU Football’s fall camp. Despite the condensed schedule, they each share one powerful insight from this week's Come, Follow Me study in Ezra and Nehemiah. Chase draws from Nehemiah 6:3 — "I am doing a great work so that I cannot come down" — and unpacks how Nehemiah's refusal to be distracted by enemies mirrors the subtle ways Satan tries to pull us away from our covenants. Not through dramatic temptation, but through the slow, quiet pressure to settle for "good" when God is calling us to "best." Connor takes a different angle, zooming in on the reconstruction of the temple in Ezra. Studying the temple as a personal focus lately, he traces a recurring pattern throughout the Old Testament: when Israel honored the temple and its covenants, they flourished. When the temple was neglected or destroyed, they fell. He connects that pattern to his own life — and to the joy he and his wife Mallory have found in regular temple attendance and family history work.

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome David Snell, the creator of the YouTube channel Keystone to discuss this week's Come, Follow Me lesson from 2 Chronicles. They use the story of King Asa as a launching point to explore why we sometimes stop trusting God when life gets hard. Together they discuss what it really means to be a peacemaker in today's world, what repentance actually looks like when you put it in football terms, and why clinging to temple covenants is the throughline of it all.

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts are joined by BYU professor and author Brad Wilcox for a conversation about the similarities between the Revolutionary War, George Washington, and ancient Israelite kings. The trio dives into 2 Kings 16–25, exploring the reigns of wicked King Ahaz, faithful King Hezekiah, and reform-minded King Josiah — and how these ancient stories are strikingly relevant to the pressures of modern life. Brad draws on Seven Tipping Points That Saved the World to show how Hezekiah's faith-filled stand against the Assyrian Empire was a pivotal moment in world history that ultimately helped pave the way for religious freedom and the Restoration of the Gospel. They also discuss why peace, not just a good feeling, is the real sign of divine communication and the importance of counseling with women — from ancient prophetesses to modern Relief Society leaders.

What do a Cold War Army colonel, a BYU religion professor, and an NFL wide receiver have in common? More than you'd think. This week, Connor Pay and Chase Roberts sit down with Professor Ken Alford — a retired U.S. Army colonel, West Point computer science professor, and now BYU Ancient Scripture instructor in his 19th year — to dig into 2 Kings 2–7 and the ministries of Elijah and Elisha. In this episode, Ken traces his remarkable dual career: from commanding troops in West Germany during the Cold War, to managing $5.5 billion in government IT contracts, to teaching church history at BYU. The trio also discuss the meaning behind the names Elijah ("Jehovah is my God") and Elisha ("God shall save") — and why that matters. And what does it really mean to receive a "double portion" of the Spirit? Plus, a deep dive into the story of Naaman: what a million dollars in silver, a dirty river, and seven baths teach us about humility, obedience, and stopping at wash number six.

Connor Pay is joined by his brother Trevor, a current offensive lineman at BYU, and special guest Professor John Hilton III — BYU religion professor and Scripture Central contributor — for a deep dive into 1 Kings. John guides Connor and Trevor through the division of Israel under Rehoboam and Jeroboam, the strange tale of the two prophets at dinner, the Widow of Zarephath's extraordinary faith, the iconic showdown between Elijah and the priests of Baal, and the courage of the forgotten prophet Micaiah. Along the way, the conversation weaves in real-life parallels: the weight of peer pressure, what it means to truly "burn the ships" in discipleship, how Coach Kalani Sitake used a President Nelson quote to rally BYU before a comeback win over Iowa State, and why Trevor chose to serve a mission even when it meant possibly never playing alongside his brother Connor — and how God honored that choice anyway.

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts are joined by BYU Ancient Scripture professor Ross Baron for a deep dive into one of the Old Testament's most sobering stories — the fall of King David. They unpack how a man of towering faith could unravel so completely. Professor Baron brings the Hebrew text to life — revealing that David wasn't just "walking" on the roof; he was pacing, a caged lion far from where he was supposed to be. The group traces the small and simple failures that preceded David's great sin, the cover-up that followed, and Nathan's masterful parable that exposed it all. But this episode isn't just ancient history. Connor opens up about his own personal battle and the redemption he found through Christ. Chase reflects on life as a Raiders rookie in Las Vegas — and how the same temptations David faced are alive and well in every generation. Professor Baron closes with a powerful testimony anchored in the Savior's words from the cross: "It is finished."

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts are joined by BYU religion professor Robbie Taggart for a memorable episode about David and punk rock. Before diving into the scriptures, Robbie shares his remarkable backstory — from playing bass in punk bands alongside the future members of The Used, to serving a mission that changed everything, to eventually earning a PhD and landing his dream job teaching religion at BYU. The conversation then turns to this week's Come Follow Me material covering the story of David. Going far beyond the familiar David and Goliath account, Professor Taggart walks through the full arc of David's life — the jealous Saul, the loyalty of Jonathan, the wild wilderness years, and the stunning Davidic Covenant in 2 Samuel 7. He unpacks how God's persistent, unrelenting love (hesed) carried David through his greatest triumphs and his most devastating failures, pointing ultimately to Jesus Christ as the fulfillment of that ancient promise. Chase also reflects on how David's faith connects directly to his own experience as an NFL free agent with the Las Vegas Raiders — giving the battle to the Lord and finding peace in the process.

Connor and Chase are flying solo this week for a shorter, more personal episode diving into 1 Samuel 8–10, 13, 15, and 16 — the chapters that set the stage for one of Scripture's most iconic stories: David and Goliath. This week, the guys reflect on the powerful theme that whom the Lord calls, He qualifies — and what it means to feel unworthy of a calling but show up anyway. Connor shares his own experiences with feeling unqualified, from his mission to his recent calling in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and how these chapters brought real comfort. Chase draws a compelling parallel between Saul's call to be king and the mindset of Raiders quarterback Fernando Mendoza, whose quiet dedication to doing "everything he can" every day reflects the heart-centered discipleship the scriptures teach. This episode is an open invitation: Connor and Chase want to hear your favorite takeaways from this week's Come Follow Me. Head to their Instagram or drop a comment on YouTube.

BYU religion professor Tyler Griffin joins Connor Pay and Chase Roberts for a deep dive into the Book of Ruth and the opening chapters of 1 Samuel. What begins as an overlooked four-chapter story becomes a rich exploration of loyalty, redemption, and what it means to trust God in seasons of uncertainty. Professor Griffin unpacks the powerful symbolism woven through Ruth's story — how Naomi represents the House of Israel, Ruth represents each of us, and Boaz serves as a type of Jesus Christ — the ultimate kinsman redeemer. Together, they explore how Ruth's loyalty, Boaz's loving kindness, and Hannah's praise in 1 Samuel all point to the same truth: when we put the Savior at the center, life becomes something worth trusting — even when we can't see where it's going.

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts are joined by BYU professor of ancient religion Josh Matson for a rich discussion on the Book of Judges as part of this week's Come Follow Me study. Josh shares his winding journey to BYU — from being cut from his high school basketball team, to a mission for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Canada, rejected job applications, a week in Hawaii that led nowhere, and ultimately landing at BYU on his fourth try. His story sets the tone for the episode's central theme: God calls people not because of what they've done, but because of what He needs them to do. Together, Connor, Chase, and Josh explore the cycle of sin, captivity, and deliverance that defines the Judges era and ask an uncomfortable question: are we really that different from the ancient Israelites? Connor walks through his own personal list of modern "false gods" — money, status, social media, political tribes — and Chase draws a powerful parallel between the NFL's zero-tolerance for repeated mistakes and God's infinite patience with His covenant people. Josh brings the text to life with stories of left-handed Ehud, the unlikely warrior Jael, and a laugh-out-loud mission story that led to a baptism — proving that God works through our unique personalities, quirks, and even our sense of humor.

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome BYU cheerleader and social media personality Ammon Montenegro to the podcast. Chase kicks things off with an inside look at life as an NFL rookie — grueling OTA schedules, thousand-page playbooks, and the constant pressure to perform every detail flawlessly. Then Ammon shares his remarkable journey: growing up as one of eleven kids in Las Vegas, playing football and wrestling, walking on at Snow College, serving a mission in Liberia, and ultimately feeling called to cheer at BYU — where he's now a three-year captain leading a team full of women with a whole new kind of courage. The crew digs into Joshua 1–8 and the themes of strength, obedience, and taking a step of faith. They explore why God repeatedly told Joshua "be strong and of good courage," what it means that the River Jordan didn't part until the priests' feet hit the water, and how all three of them have had to walk into the unknown — whether that's a dusty road in West Africa, a new NFL playbook, or learning to lead in an entirely different way.

In this episode, hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts are joined by BYU offensive lineman Kyle Sfarcioc for a conversation that covers football, faith, and the journey in between. Chase shares his exciting news: he just signed with the Las Vegas Raiders and is heading to mini camp immediately after recording. Kyle opens up about his remarkable first year as a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. From his early skepticism when he arrived at BYU, to reading the Book of Mormon on planes flying home to be with his father, who was battling terminal illness. Kyle shares how faith gave him peace through one of the hardest seasons of his life and how that foundation has shaped who he is today. The episode ties into the Come Follow Me study of Numbers 11–14, 20-24, and 27. The group unpacks the Israelites' patterns of complaining and fear, as well as how those same tendencies can show up in our own lives. The brazen serpent becomes a powerful symbol: sometimes all it takes is simply looking to the Savior.

In this week's episode, Connor and Chase sit down with American Fork head football coach Aaron Behm and his father-in-law, Scott McKinney, retired pastor of CenterPoint Church, for a conversation that moves from high school football to the Ten Commandments. The group reflects on a "love first" mentality in high school football, shaping young athletes in an increasingly wicked world and the success story of the growth of Christianity as a whole in our society leads to a discussion about Exodus 19 and 20, focused on the Ten Commandments being a blueprint for a close relationship with God and a way to glorify him in our doings with our actions and talents.

Connor and Chase are back in the studio once again and have welcomed Kassidy Roberts, Chase's older sister, on the podcast to discuss thoughts and impressions from General Conference, as well as dive into this week's Come Follow Me covering Exodus 14-18. They discuss Moses parting the Red Sea, as well as the habits that the Israelites continued to fall back on, even after witnessing miracles; murmuring and doubting God's hand in their lives. Connections are made to the latter days and how we can strive to recognize the miracles that God places in our path amid the struggles of everyday life. Connor and Chase are back in the studio and welcome a special guest—Kassidy Roberts, Chase’s older sister—to join the conversation. Together, they share impressions from the most recent General Conference of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They also dive into this week’s Come, Follow Me study of Exodus 14–18. From Moses parting the Red Sea to the Israelites’ repeated struggles with murmuring and doubt—even after witnessing undeniable miracles—the discussion explores timeless patterns of faith and forgetfulness. The episode draws powerful connections to the latter days, inviting listeners to reflect on how we can better recognize God’s hand in our lives and see His miracles, even amid the challenges of everyday life.

In this special episode, hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome very special guests — President and Sister Caplin, Connor's former mission president and his wife, now serving in the St. George Temple presidency — for an in-depth exploration of the Passover. Drawing on President Caplin's unique background as a descendant of Jewish converts and a lifelong student of the Torah, the group unpacks the deep symbolism of the Passover — the sacrificial lamb, the Seder meal, the unleavened bread, the bitter herbs — and how each element points powerfully to Jesus Christ.

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts will be taking a break from the podcast this week to celebrate Easter and challenge listeners to share their favorite conference talks with them. You can send them a message on their Instagram page.

Co-Hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome John Bytheway, the co-host of the "Follow Him" podcast, to dive into Exodus chapters 1 through 6. From the rise of a new Pharaoh who "knew not Joseph" to the burning bush and Moses' call to deliver Israel, this episode explores what it means to know who you are when the world — or the adversary — tries to tell you otherwise. The trio shares insights into the meaning of Moses' name, how Satan's first move is always an attack on identity, and what the Hebrew phrase "I Am That I Am" reveals about the nature of God.

This week, Connor and Chase are holding things down on their own as they explore Genesis 42–50 and the remarkable story of Joseph in Egypt. What begins as a familiar Old Testament narrative quickly opens up into something richer — a life full of deliberate, Christlike parallels. Joseph is rejected by his own brothers, sold for silver, imprisoned unjustly, and ultimately lifted to a position of life‑saving authority. The guys break down why these connections to the Savior aren’t accidental and what they reveal about God’s pattern of working through hardship. They also dive deep into the theme of divine timing. Drawing from Chase’s current battle with injury leading up to the NFL Draft, the conversation turns personal as they talk about how adversity often feels random — and why it might actually be preparation.

Join hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts for a powerful episode featuring three special guests: former sister missionaries Izabele Christensen and Ivy Stout, and convert James Calderon, whom they taught in the Washington, D.C. South Mission. In this deeply personal episode, James shares his remarkable journey from a difficult separation and divorce to finding truth through the restored gospel. What started as a chance encounter on a George Mason University street corner became a life-changing experience that illustrates key principles from the story of Joseph in Genesis 37-41. James vulnerably discusses his initial hesitation toward baptism, his ongoing battles with old habits, and how temple covenants became "a way to look forward in life." Izzy and Ivy share their perspective on watching God work in someone's life, emphasizing that you don't need to be perfect before making covenants - you need covenants to become perfect. This episode also powerfully demonstrates that "time and again, good fortune seemed to abandon Joseph, but the Lord never did" - a principle that applies to all our lives as we strive to keep our covenants with God.

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts really needed to take a break. Connor recently got married and was on his honeymoon, while Chase Roberts has been participating in the NFL Draft Combine. They'll be back next week for a brand new episode of Two Point Conversion.

Hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts chat with Shan Arumugam, whose remarkable story of faith and transformation will inspire anyone facing adversity. From growing up in India's "untouchable" caste system to finding hope in the gospel of Jesus Christ, Shan shares his incredible journey—from contemplating suicide as a university student to discovering missionaries who changed his life forever. His story includes serving a mission without knowing English or Hindi, earning a scholarship to BYU Hawaii with just a few dollars in his pocket, and eventually being sealed in the temple. The conversation weaves Shan's personal testimony with insights from Genesis 18-23, exploring themes of covenant keeping, divine promises, and the sacrifice of Abraham and Isaac. The hosts discuss how Abraham and Sarah's decades-long wait for their promised son mirrors our own faith journeys, and how every religion points back to the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Join hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts for a powerful, faith-filled conversation with former Utah Utes center Jaren Kump. In this episode, Jaren opens up about his unexpected journey—from being committed to BYU to ultimately choosing the University of Utah—and how personal revelation guided him through that difficult, soul-searching decision. Together, they dive into Genesis 12–17 and Abraham 1–2, exploring the depth and beauty of the Abrahamic Covenant and what it means to live as covenant-keeping disciples today. Jaren shares how staying true to his covenants shaped his choices both on and off the field, even when those choices weren’t easy or popular. Other Episode Highlights: - The often-overlooked temple symbolism woven throughout the Book of Abraham - The sacred responsibility—and blessings—that come with making covenants - What it looks like to be a missionary wherever you stand, even when it means representing your faith on a rival team

Join hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts, along with special guest Andrew Gentry, as they dive deep into Moses chapter 7 and explore what it means to build Zion in our modern world. In this episode, the trio discuss Enoch's powerful vision of human history, God's emotional connection to His children, and the profound doctrine of agency. They explore how the Lord weeps for us, why He gave us the ability to choose, and what it takes to become a people "of one heart and one mind."

Join hosts Connor Pay and special guest co-host Trevor Pay as they sit down with former BYU punter and current Cincinnati Bengals player Ryan Rehkow. In this episode, the crew dives deep into Moses Chapter 6 and the story of the prophet Enoch—a man who felt completely unqualified for his calling. Sound familiar? Ryan shares his wild journey from an undrafted free agent workout to becoming an NFL punter, including moments of crippling self-doubt during his second season. Connor opens up about transitioning from NFL dreams to coaching and nonprofit work, while Trevor reflects on returning from his mission completely out of shape and questioning if he belonged. The trio also discusses how to move forward when you feel inadequate, what it means to "walk with God" in everyday life, and finding confidence not in ourselves, but in our divine identity.

Former BYU football players Connor Pay and Chase Roberts return for a new season of Two Point Conversion, this year exploring the Old Testament. In this episode, the duo reconnects after a few weeks away, catching up on major life changes: Chase is now training in California for the NFL Combine (complete with his new post-BYU beard), while Connor continues coaching at BYU. Despite being remote, they dive deep into Genesis 3-4 and Moses 4-5, discussing the Fall of Adam and Eve and what it teaches us about divine identity, opposition, and growth.

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Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome Sheri Dew, author and executive VP of Deseret Management Corporation. In this heartfelt conversation, Sheri shares her journey from a Kansas farm to leading major media organizations and writing biographies of prophets. The discussion dives deep into faith, resilience, and the lessons learned from both football and spiritual leadership. The trio reflects on the power of tradition, the meaning of Christmas, and the enduring hope found in Jesus Christ.

In this episode of Two Point Conversion, hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts are joined by a very special guest—Connor’s grandmother, Gail Pay—for a deep and personal discussion about family, faith, and the importance of the Family Proclamation. Gail shares her life story, family history, and the powerful experiences that have shaped her testimony. Together, the trio explores the significance of family, children, the eternal nature of relationships, and the challenges and blessings that come with living gospel principles in today’s world.

Hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome special guest Terrance Motley, BYU’s Director of Rehabilitation. The trio kicks things off with a look behind the scenes of BYU football, discussing preparation for the conference championship. Terrance shares his journey from Albuquerque to BYU, his experiences as a walk-on athlete, and his transition from strength coach to physical therapist. The discussion then dives deep into faith and doctrine, exploring the Articles of Faith, the history and context of polygamy, and the significance of Official Declarations 1 and 2 in Latter-day Saint history. Terrance offers a personal perspective on the priesthood ban and its reversal, emphasizing the importance of core beliefs, living prophets, and the power of the Atonement.

Join hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts as they welcome back BYU Religion Professor Mark Ogletree. Together, they dive deep into the Doctrine and Covenants, exploring Sections 137 and 138, and discuss the powerful doctrines of salvation, revelation, and God’s mercy. The conversation weaves football insights and heartfelt testimonies into a discussion on visions of those who have died. The trio elaborates on their own spiritual journeys and the comfort these revelations bring to families.

Hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome special guest Logan Lutui, BYU defensive end, to share his inspiring journey from Weber State to BYU. The trio reflects on the team’s recent victory over TCU, the importance of resilience, and the power of positive leadership from Coach Kalani Sitake. Logan opens up about balancing family, faith, and football, and how unexpected turns led him to a pivotal role on the team. The conversation also dives deep into spiritual themes, including a heartfelt discussion of Doctrine and Covenants Section 135, the legacy of Joseph and Hyrum Smith, and the enduring impact of faith during times of adversity.

In this episode of Two Point Conversion, hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts go solo, delving into lessons learned from a tough loss, the importance of focusing on standards over outcomes, and how preparation impacts both football and life. They reflect on spiritual insights from Doctrine & Covenants sections 133 and 134, discussing themes of preparation, repentance, building Zion, and balancing faith with civic responsibility. Plus, they get some honest answers from ChatGPT on how they embody the principles in section 133.

Join hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts, along with their guest Steven Lund, the recently released Young Men's General President. Steven shares his journey from law to business, his experiences in church leadership, and the lessons learned along the way. The conversation delves into spiritual insights, including the importance of diligence and sacrifice (on and off the field), and taking prayer seriously. Tune in for a blend of sports, faith, and real-life lessons—plus a few fun football analogies you won’t want to miss!

In this episode, hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome special guest Charlie Miska, BYU running back, to the show. Charlie shares his inspiring journey from Northern Virginia to BYU, including the challenges of walking on to the team, his memorable first touchdown, and the importance of hard work, faith, and preparation. The hosts and Charlie also reflect on recent games and lessons from the Doctrine and Covenants, including doubling down on Christlike virtues and keeping faithful records.

Faith Kisakye, a BYU Pathway student from Uganda, joins host Connor Pay for an amazing episode of the podcast. aith shares her inspiring journey as the first BYU Pathway student to offer a prayer at a BYU football game, recounting the impact it had on her life, her family, and the broader community. The conversation explores Faith’s experiences with faith, perseverance, and missionary work, as well as her involvement with the BYU Pathway program. Together, Connor and Faith discuss lessons from Doctrine and Covenants Section 124, the importance of temples, and the blessings of staying true to one’s beliefs despite challenges.

BYU Basketball legend Jimmer Fredette joins Connor Pay and Chase Roberts on this edition of the podcast. Jimmer talks about his basketball career and his current role as Managing Director for USA Basketball’s 3x3 program. The conversation covers the intensity of the BYU/Utah rivalry, the challenges and triumphs of competitive sports, and the lessons learned from overcoming adversity—including Jimmer’s Olympic experience. The group also talks about how God's work is going forward and that it's up to us whether we want to be part of His team.

Join hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts for another episode of Two Point Conversion, where they welcome in special guest BYU Defensive End Hunter Clegg. Clegg talks about why he initially committed to Utah before his mission for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and then decided to play for BYU after his mission. He mentions how BYU's football coaches care for the players outside of football. The conversation then dives deep into the challenges and rewards of balancing athletics, academics, and spiritual growth, with candid stories about team culture, service, and the impact of faith on and off the field. The trio also talk about using the proper name of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, how God asks imperfect people to lead, and new beginnings after mistakes.

Entrepreneur and former BYU professor Taylor Halverson joins Chase Roberts and Connor Pay in this episode of Two Conversion to talk about how he's trying to empower people to build a better future. Taylor believes the only way to become like God is to learn continually. The trio then discusses how God accepts in our follies, knows us deeply, and can lead us to be better. Chase, Connor, and Taylor then elaborate on how God has opened doors for them in the past and how he will open doors for them in the future.

President Brian Ashton of BYU-Pathway Worldwide joins Connor Pay and Chase Roberts for episode 50 of Two Point Conversion. President Ashton discusses how the education program continues to spread across the globe, bringing people closer to Jesus Christ, regardless of the denomination they belong to. The trio explores how BYU Football players are stepping up as mentors, helping students build confidence and prepare for future employment. They also dive into gospel principles, discussing the importance of priesthood keys, temple worship, and how keeping covenants with God empowers us to overcome sin and live with greater purpose.

BYU Professor Brad Agle joins Connor Pay and Chase Roberts on this episode of Two Point Conversion for a thoughtful conversation on leadership and service. As a Professor of Ethics and Leadership at the Marriott School of Business, Agle brings deep insight from his research on CEOs and church leaders. He also co-authored The Bishop Book, which explores the unique spiritual and emotional experiences of Bishops in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Together, the trio reflects on the joy and meaning found in faithfully serving in church callings. Drawing from scripture and personal experience, they tackle a profound question: Is The Church of Jesus Christ a good organization?

BYU SportsNation host Jarom Jordan joins Connor Pay and Tanner Wall on this edition of Two Point Conversion. The conversation begins with Tanner talking about the stoutness of the Cougar's defense and Connor’s contentious and humorous relationship with football referees. Jarom then states The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as an inspired start-up - emphasizing the importance of learning, adapting, and growing just like early Church members. The trio dives into a thoughtful discussion on membership councils, reframing them as tools for redemption rather than punishment. They wrap up talking about repenting quickly and doing the small things to stay close to Jesus Christ.

BYU offensive lineman Sonny Makasini joins Chase Roberts and Connor Pay to discuss Doctrine and Covenants sections 98-101. Before diving into the doctrine of Christ in these sections, the trio discuss the goods and bads of the bowl games they’ve attended. Sonny then shares a spiritually enriching experience of how everything works out for people when they keep the commandments. The discussion then turns to the nature of trials—those that stem from personal choices, the actions of others, and the inherent challenges of mortality. Connor and Sonny recount moments on the football field when they faced adversity despite doing everything right—illustrating how trials often come even in the midst of faithfulness. Chase admits he doesn’t enjoy trials but expresses hope that he’ll appreciate them more in the future, especially when he eventually sees Jesus Christ face to face.

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome recently returned missionary and BYU wide receiver Trey Roberts. He also happens to be Chase's brother. The trio dive into a meaningful conversation about the seven promises made in temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They then explore the theme of loving correction, both from God and within the BYU Football team.The episode wraps up with a discussion on the spiritual strength that comes from keeping commandments.

BYU Sports Nation’s Spencer Linton joins Chase Roberts and Connor Pay to discuss Doctrine and Covenants 93. Spencer shares that this section of the Doctrine and Covenants is all about consistency and how part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is all about “showing up.” Connor adds that true discipleship means doing what’s right—even when it’s hard or inconvenient—demonstrating a steady testimony through action. Chase shares how the BYU Football team’s “faith walk” led players to reflect on Jesus Christ and how the Savior is the light we should seek. The trio then explores the concept of Jesus learning “grace for grace” before receiving the fullness of God, drawing a parallel to our own spiritual journey.

BYU Director of Football Media Relations & Communications Kenny Cox joins Connor Pay and Chase Roberts for a meaningful discussion centered on Doctrine and Covenants 89–92. Kenny shares insights into his role with the football team, explaining how he helps media professionals understand the unique spirit and culture of BYU and Cougar Football. The conversation then shifts to the principles of healthy living found in the Word of Wisdom. Chase reflects on the “principle with a promise,” sharing a personal story about his grandfather, who gave up drinking beer at the request of his aunt—an act that brought lasting blessings. Kenny opens up about his own health journey, describing how he transformed his life through mindful eating and moderation. Connor emphasizes the vital role of the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in guiding Church administration.

BYU Football offensive lineman Austin Leausa joins Chase Roberts and Connor Pay on the latest episode of the Two Point Conversion podcast. Together, the trio explores Doctrine and Covenants Section 88, reflecting on moments when they’ve each felt the presence of “another Comforter” in their lives. Austin shares a deeply personal story about the birth of his second daughter, and how it brought him closer to his wife, his Savior, and helped him return to college football. Chase opens up about how football itself has served as a second comforter, and how Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ have helped him through the struggles with his game. The conversation then turns to the idea of God as a divine physician—one who patiently works with each of us until we are spiritually healed. Connor then shares a special message from Elder Ronald A. Rasband to the football team.

The Voice of the Cougars, Greg Wrubell, joins Chase Roberts and Connor Pay on this episode of the Two Point Conversion podcast. Greg shares his journey from Canada to BYU and how he became the broadcaster for Cougar sports. The trio explores how The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints offers a wealth of resources to help individuals draw closer to Christ. They discuss practical ways to document life’s meaningful moments—whether through social media, voice memos, or journaling—and reflect on what it means to be a “lawful heir” of God and to stand in holy places in today’s world.

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome former BYU Football standout and Cougar Sports Network analyst Hans Olsen to the podcast. Hans shares his journey to BYU, his experiences in professional football, and how he transitioned into a career as a radio analyst. The conversation takes a personal turn as they discuss Connor’s upcoming wedding. The trio also dives into a heartfelt discussion about missionary service for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, sparked by Hans’ interest in his son’s current mission in New Mexico. They reflect on the importance of studying the words of eternal life and being spiritually prepared to speak as God would have them speak. The trio also reflects on the trials faced by early Saints in Kirtland and the enduring faith that helped them press forward.

BYU Football safety Tanner Wall joins the podcast again, this time as a co-host. He and Connor Pay discuss the latest happenings in BYU Football's summer drills along with Connor's recent engagement to Mallory Binns. The duo also dives into this week’s "Come, Follow Me" study, exploring powerful gospel themes like the importance of forgiving others, the higher standard expected of God’s leaders, and the unwavering nature of God’s promises.

Current BYU Football Center Bruce Mitchell joins Connor Pay and Chase Roberts on this week’s episode of Two Point Conversion. One of the first topics they dive into is how Bruce’s opportunity to play during the 2024 season came because of Connor’s injury, and what Connor learned from that challenging experience. The trio then reflects on how tithing has brought blessings into their lives and the lives of those around them. They also share personal stories about how the Holy Ghost has provided guidance and comfort throughout their football journeys, leading to uplifting and faith-affirming outcomes.