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Uncertain
by Katherine Spearing
Groundbreaking podcast pioneering pivotal conversations about Spiritual Abuse. Interviews with authors, artists, experts, and story tellers to validate the experience of survivors of Spiritual Abuse, providing practical insights for the recovery journey. Your host is Katherine Spearing, a Certified Trauma Recovery Practitioner with nearly a decade of previous experience working in the evangelical church. This is the affiliate podcast of TearsofEden.org , a nonprofit for community and understanding in the aftermath of Spiritual Abuse. Find us on Instagram @uncertainpodcast
Episodes
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S5: E16 - The Board Interviews Katherine: Celebrating Five Seasons and 110 Episodes
S5: E16 - The Board Interviews Katherine: Celebrating Five Seasons and 110 Episodes Katherine Spearing New book on Spiritual Abuse available from the founder of Tears of Eden: A Thousand Tiny Paper Cuts: The Subtle, Insidious Nature of Spiritual Abuse and Life on the Other Side - The Final…
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S5:E15 - What if I Get Sued? Protecting Yourself When Telling Your Story Featuring Jenai Auman
S5:E15 - What if I Get Sued? Protecting Yourself When Telling Your Story Featuring Jenai Auman Katherine Spearing New book on Spiritual Abuse available from the founder of Tears of Eden: A Thousand Tiny Paper Cuts: The Subtle, Insidious Nature of Spiritual Abuse and Life on the Other Side This is...
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S5:E14 - A Recovering Evangelical Testimony Featuring Mattie Jo Cowsert
S5:E14 - A Recovering Evangelical Testimony featuring Mattie Jo Cowsert Katherine Spearing New book on Spiritual Abuse available from the founder of Tears of Eden: A Thousand Tiny Paper Cuts: The Subtle, Insidious Nature of Spiritual Abuse and Life on the Other Side Mattie Jo Cowsert was a…
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S5: E13- Addressing Clergy Abuse Featuring Christa Brown
S5: E13- Addressing Clergy Abuse Featuring Christa Brown Katherine Spearing New book on Spiritual Abuse available from the founder of Tears of Eden: A Thousand Tiny Paper Cuts: The Subtle, Insidious Nature of Spiritual Abuse and Life on the Other Side - Described as "the public face" of Baptist...
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S5: E12 - How Twisted Teaching on Suffering Traps Victims in Abusive Situations Featuring Rebecca Davis
S5: E12 - How Twisted Teaching on Suffering Traps Victims in Abusive Situations Featuring Rebecca Da Katherine Spearing In this episode, we’ll discuss how the church’s common stance on suffering for Christ often gets twisted in such a way that victims feel they cannot leave abusive homes…
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S5:E11 - Escaping Christian Patriarchy with Cait West
S5:E11 - Escaping Christian Patriarchy with Cait West Katherine Spearing New book on Spiritual Abuse available from the founder of Tears of Eden: A Thousand Tiny Paper Cuts: The Subtle, Insidious Nature of Spiritual Abuse and Life on the Other Side Cait West is a writer and editor based in Grand...
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S5: E10 - Signs of a Cult - with Sarah Edmonson
S5: E10 - Signs of a Cult - with Sarah Edmonson Katherine Spearing New book on Spiritual Abuse available from the founder of Tears of Eden: A Thousand Tiny Paper Cuts: The Subtle, Insidious Nature of Spiritual Abuse and Life on the Other Side We’re talking about how one of the characteristics of…
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S5:E8 - Stuff Christians Say -with Ashley Love Richards and Fallon Morey
S5:E8 - Stuff Christians Say -with Ashley Love Richards and Fallon Morey Katherine Spearing New book on Spiritual Abuse available from the founder of Tears of Eden: A Thousand Tiny Paper Cuts: The Subtle, Insidious Nature of Spiritual Abuse and Life on the Other Side This episode is with Ashley...
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S5:E7 - Church Cults, Trauma, and Humor with Shanny Payton
S5:E7 - Church Cults, Trauma, and Humor - with Shanny Payton Katherine Spearing Shannon Payton (https://shannypantsshow.com/), known as Shanny Pants by many, is a content creator and podcaster living in Rocklin, California. Although Shannon has a successful career as a Realtor, she has equally...
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S5:E6 - Abuse in the Church: The Role of Sex and Power - with Marie Giffith, PhD
S5:E6 - Abuse in the Church: The Role of Sex and Power - with Marie Giffith, PhD Katherine Spearing Marie Griffith, PhD, John C. Danforth Distinguished Professor in the Humanities at Washington University in St. Louis. She served for 12 years (2011-2023) as the director of the John C. Danforth...
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S5:E5 - The Stigmatized Single Person (And How to Thrive Anyway) with Katherine Spearing
S5:E5 - The Stigmatized Single Person (And How to Thrive Anyway) with Katherine Spearing Katherine Spearing Brian Lee, from Through Cohort and Broken to Beloved Summit interviews Tears of Eden’s Founder Katherine Spearing about the Church’s harmful teachings on marriage that can result in very…
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S5:E4 - Spiritual Abuse Awareness Month: Thriving After Spiritual Abuse - with Connie Baker
S5:E4 - Spiritual Abuse Awareness Month: Thriving After Spiritual Abuse - with Connie Baker Katherine Spearing New book on Spiritual Abuse available from the founder of Tears of Eden: A Thousand Tiny Paper Cuts: The Subtle, Insidious Nature of Spiritual Abuse and Life on the Other Side Connie...
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S5:E3 - Spiritual Abuse Awareness Month: How Purity Culture Impacts Men - with Julia and Jeremiah from the Sexvangelicals
S5:E3 - Spiritual Abuse Awareness Month: How Purity Culture Impacts Men - with Julia and Jeremiah fr Katherine Spearing New book on Spiritual Abuse available from the founder of Tears of Eden: A Thousand Tiny Paper Cuts: The Subtle, Insidious Nature of Spiritual Abuse and Life on the Other Side...
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S5:E2 - Spiritual Abuse Awareness Month: What Survivors Need from a Therapist - with Rachel Bernstein
S5:E2 - Spiritual Abuse Awareness Month: What Survivors Need from a Therapist - with Rachel Bernstei Katherine Spearing New book on Spiritual Abuse available from the founder of Tears of Eden: A Thousand Tiny Paper Cuts: The Subtle, Insidious Nature of Spiritual Abuse and Life on the Other Side...
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S5:E1 - Spiritual Abuse Awareness Month: You Are Not Broken - with Brian Lee
S5:E1 - Spiritual Abuse Awareness Month: You Are Not Broken - with Brian Lee Katherine Spearing New book on Spiritual Abuse available from the founder of Tears of Eden: A Thousand Tiny Paper Cuts: The Subtle, Insidious Nature of Spiritual Abuse and Life on the Other Side Brian Lee shares his...
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S4: E24 - The F Word (On Forgiveness) Season Finale with Connie Baker
S4: E24 - The F Word (On Forgiveness) Season Finale with Connie Baker Katherine Spearing New book on Spiritual Abuse available from the founder of Tears of Eden: A Thousand Tiny Paper Cuts: The Subtle, Insidious Nature of Spiritual Abuse and Life on the Other Side Forgiveness has often been used…
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S4: E23 - On the Murder of Elizabeth Mackintosh at Covenant Theological Seminary with Karl Saint Lucy
S4: E23 - On the Murder of Elizabeth Mackintosh at Covenant Theological Seminary with Karl Saint Luc Katherine Spearing New book on Spiritual Abuse available from the founder of Tears of Eden: A Thousand Tiny Paper Cuts: The Subtle, Insidious Nature of Spiritual Abuse and Life on the Other Side...
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S4: E22- Is There Really a Gay Agenda? (And Other Questions) with Bridget Eileen Rivera
S4: E22- Is There Really a Gay Agenda? (And Other Questions) with Bridget Eileen Rivera Katherine Spearing Bridget Eileen Rivera is a sociologist completing her Ph.D. at the City University of New York Graduate Center. Her first book, Heavy Burdens (Brazos Press, fall 2021), is a Foreward INDIES...
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S4: E21 -The Problem with Modesty Talks (And Other Concerns) with Sheila Wray Gregoire
The Problem with Modesty Talks (And Other Concerns) with Sheila Wray Gregoire Katherine Spearing Armed with data from an all-new survey of more than 7,000 women, the authors of The Great Sex Rescue, Sheila Wray Gregoire, Rebecca Gregoire Lindenbach, and Joanna Sawatsky, reveal how experiences in...
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S4: E20 -The Healing Power of Art (Through Musical) with Teruyo and Lennox
The Healing Power of Art (Through Musical) with Teruyo and Lennox Katherine Spearing Two ex-cult members discuss the healing power of art through the creation of a musical. Teruyo (they/them) is a racialized queer, mentally disabled, non-binary theatre artist, anti-oppression activist and…
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S4: E19 - Second Wave Fundamentalism with Dr. Laura Anderson
S4: E19 - Second Wave Fundamentalism with Dr. Laura Anderson Katherine Spearing Second Wave Fundamentalism is a term acknowledging that we can leave fundamentalist spaces, but they do not always leave us. How do we recognize when we are creating the same pattern—and the same spaces—we tried to...
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S4:E18 - On the Intersection of Faith, Sex, and Politics with Anna Beahm
S4:E18 - On the Intersection of Faith, Sex, and Politics with Anna Beahm Katherine Spearing Anna Beahm is a Journalist with Reckon.News who has been covering the intersection of faith, s*x and politics since December 2020. In this episode, we discuss the complexity of covering these typically...
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S4: E17 - Because She Was a Girl: On the Experiences of Women in the Church with Megan Kenyon
S4: E17 - Because She Was a Girl: On the Experiences of Women in the Church with Megan Kenyon Katherine Spearing When Megan Kenyon’s niece was born it propelled her on a journey of exploring the messages she received from the church about being a woman, culminating in an art showcase featuring…
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S4:E15 - Celebrating Three Years of Uncertainty: 3rd Anniversary Episode
S4:E15 - Celebrating Three Years of Uncertainty: 3rd Anniversary Episode Katherine Spearing Celebrating Three Years of Uncertainty: 3rd Anniversary Episode (On May 30th, 2023, Seasons 1 & 2 will be archived) Transcript: I’m Katherine Spearing and welcome to Uncertain, an affiliate podcast of…
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S4: E14 - Can You Be Codependent on God? with Catherine Quiring
S4:E14 - Can You Be Codependent on God? with Catherine Quiring Katherine Spearing In this episode with therapist Catherine Quiring, we discuss how teaching in the church might set us up for anxious attachment to God, and the implications of this in our recovery from religious trauma. Helpful…
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S4:E13 - Singleness, Dating, and Weird Stuff Christians Say with Kristina Hart
S4:E13 - Singleness, Dating, and Weird Stuff Christians Say with Kristina Hart Katherine Spearing In this Episode with comedian Kristina Hart, we discuss the hilarity of learning how to date as an adult after you’ve grown up swimming in the waters of Purity Culture. Kristina is a faith-informed...
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S4: E12 Untwisting Teachings Around Loyalty, Sin Leveling, & Bitterness with Rebecca Davis
S4: E12 - Untwisting Teachings Around Loyalty, Sin Leveling, & Bitterness with Rebecca Davis Katherine Spearing In this episode with Rebecca Davis we unpack the teachings that are used in churches to make all sins equal force us to “err on the side of grace” when it comes to abuse elevate loyalty...
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S4: E11 - Invisibility in the Church that was Meant for All with Francina Kahl
S4: E11 - Invisibility in the Church that was Meant for All with Francina Kahl Katherine Spearing Francina Kahl is the founder and CEO of Be Still Tea, a tea company that encourages stillness, creating space for our stories, and connecting with others and ourselves. In this episode we discuss:...
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S4:E10 - An Adoptee’s Journey of Self-Discovery with Harrison Mooney
S4:E10 - An Adoptee’s Journey of Self-Discovery with Harrison Mooney Katherine Spearing Harrison Mooney’s memoir Invisible Boy isn’t just a story of the experience growing up in an abusive, fundamentalist Christian household, it’s also the story of growing up in that space as an adoptee with...
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S4: E9 - The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery with Mark Charles
S4: E9 - The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery with Mark Charles Katherine Spearing Mark Charles is a speaker, writer, and consultant. The son of an American woman (of Dutch heritage) and a Navajo man, Mark teaches the complexities of American history regarding race,...
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S4:E8 - The Myths of Purity Culture with Lucy Rowett
S4:E8 - The Myths of Purity Culture with Lucy Rowett Katherine Spearing Lucy Rowett is a sex and intimacy coach for smart, passionate, and soulful women and vulva owners. She’s a sex geek and passionately believes that your pleasure is your birthright. In this episode we discuss the myths (lies)…
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S4:E7 - Trauma and Purity Culture with Lucy Rowett
S4:E7 - Trauma and Purity Culture with Lucy Rowett Katherine Spearing Lucy Rowett is a sex and intimacy coach for smart, passionate, and soulful women and vulva owners. She’s a sex geek and passionately believes that your pleasure is your birthright. In this episode: How purity culture impacts…
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S4:E6 - Power and Control in Spiritual Abuse with Connie Baker (A Most Loved Episode)
S4:E6 - Power and Control in Spiritual Abuse with Connie Baker (A Most Loved Episode) Katherine Spearing Today’s guest, Connie Baker, will be our Speaker at the RetreatCon and we are excited to introduce her to you. What we appreciate most about Connie is she is gifted at meeting survivors of...
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S4: E5 - Trauma in the Pews with Janyne McConnaughey, Ph.D
S4: E5 - Trauma in the Pews with Janyne McConnaughey, Ph.D Katherine Spearing New episode out today, discussing with Janyne McConnaughey, Ph.D., her book Trauma in the Pews In this episode we discuss: How trauma impacts a person’s interaction with the church and spirituality How the church often...
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S4:E4- BITE Model and the Christian Patriarchy Movement with Cait West
S4:E4- BITE Model and the Christian Patriarchy Movement with Cait West Katherine Spearing Yes, it’s an episode about abuse, and the cultish upbringing of the stay-at-home-daughter movement (aka Christian Patriarchy Movement), but you might find yourself laughing along with us at the absurdities…
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S4:E3 - Encountering an Abusive Church After Growing up in an Abusive Home with Nikki G. and Sarah Yaw
S4:E3 - Encountering an Abusive Church After Growing Up in an Abusive Home Katherine Spearing Today's guests are Nikki G and Sarah Yaw. Nikki and Sarah are both colleagues in the spiritual abuse recovery realm and work as trauma recovery coaches. This is a round table discussion to highlight how...
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S4:E2 - Spiritual Abuse & Parenting with Ginny Barker
S4:E2 - Spiritual Abuse & Parenting with Ginny Barker Katherine Spearing It’s Spiritual Abuse Awareness Month. Ginny Barker opens up about how many Christian parents have been raised to spiritually abuse their children. However, often the parents themselves are spiritually abused. Resources named...
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S4:E1 - Spiritual Abuse in Church of the Highlands with Liz Leiby
S4:E1 Spiritual Abuse in Church of the Highlands with Liz Leiby Katherine Spearing New book on Spiritual Abuse available from the founder of Tears of Eden: A Thousand Tiny Paper Cuts: The Subtle, Insidious Nature of Spiritual Abuse and Life on the Other Side It’s Spiritual Abuse Awareness Month....
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S3:E18 - The Role of Anger in Healing & Empowerment with Dr. Laura Anderson (Season Finale)
S3:E18 - The Role of Anger in Healing & Empowerment with Dr. Laura Anderson (Season Finale) Katherine Spearing Dr. Laura Anderson is the cofounder of the Religious Trauma Institute, and founder of Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery she’s a licensed therapist, and professor of psychology....
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S3:E17 - The Dynamics of Abuse with Polly & Bob Hamp
S3:E17 - The Dynamics of Abuse with Polly & Bob Hamp Katherine Spearing In this episode with Polly Hamp and Bob Hamp we discuss the dynamics of abuse, the difference between being abuse informed and trauma informed, navigating when abusers are posing as advocates on social media, and narcissistic...
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S3: E16 - When is it a Cult? with Gerette Buglion & Lisa from igotout.org
S3: E16 - When is it a Cult? with Gerette Buglion & Lisa from igotout.org Katherine Spearing Discussing the difference between a cult and a high control environment and the fine line between them. Addressing different tactics cult leaders use to control and how we reconnect with our core self…
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S3:E15 - How to Tell Your Story with Jennifer Wainscott
S3:E15 - How to Tell Your Story with Jennifer Wainscott Katherine Spearing This is a great episode for the trauma survivor who is beginning to share their story with the world. Who do you share it with? What elements are important? And what places and spaces might not be equipped to receive the...
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S3:E13 - Abuse in Churches with Mike Sloan (A Most Loved Episode)
S3:E13 - Abuse in Churches with Mike Sloan (A Most Loved Episode) Katherine Spearing This is one of our Most Loved episodes from Uncertain Featuring Mike Sloan from netgrace.org Resources mentioned in this episode: tearsofeden.org netgrace.org DARVO stands for "Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim…
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S3:E12 - Characteristics of a Toxic Faith System with Lauren Hunter
S3:E12 - Characteristics of a Toxic Faith System with Lauren Hunter Katherine Spearing Lauren Hunter is the author of the book Leaving Christian Science and is a former Christian Scientist (not to be confused with scientology). She’s also had a long relationship with the evangelical church. We...
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S3: E11 - Church, Abuse of Power, and Jesus with Diane Langberg (A Most Loved Episode)
S3: E11 - Church, Abuse of Power, and Jesus with Diane Langberg (A Most Loved Episode) Katherine Spearing New book on Spiritual Abuse available from the founder of Tears of Eden: A Thousand Tiny Paper Cuts: The Subtle, Insidious Nature of Spiritual Abuse and Life on the Other Side This is one of...
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S3:E10 - A Novelist Tells the Truth with Lauren McBrayer
S3:E10 - A Novelist Tells the Truth with Lauren McBrayer Katherine Spearing Today’s guest is author and lawyer Lauren McBrayer. In this episode, we address women in the church, the power of narrative and storytelling, exploring sexuality through writing, and the embodied and healing experience of...
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S3:E9 - Was Jesus Sexually Abused? with Keanu Heydari
S3:E9 - Was Jesus Sexually Abused? with Keanu Heydari Katherine Spearing Keanu Heydari is a doctoral candidate at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor. He studies migration and race in Europe. He’s also interested in New Testament studies, social justice, and amplifying the voices of the...
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S3:E8 - The Church, Divorce, & Abusive Marriage with Natalie Hoffman
S3:E8 - The Church, Divorce, & Abusive Marriage with Natalie Hoffman Katherine Spearing This episode is a little different than our normal interview style. Guest is Natalie Hoffman from the Flying Free podcast, but throughout the episode, we’re also going to hear real stories from women who have...
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S3:E7 - The Jesus Way with Mark Scandrette
S3:E7 - The Jesus Way with Mark Scandrette Katherine Spearing Mark Scandrette is an internationally recognized expert in practical spiritual formation. He is the founding director of ReIMAGINE: A Center for Integral Christian Practice, where he leads an annual series of retreats, workshops and...
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S3:E6 The Wisdom of Our Bodies with Hillary L. McBride, PhD
S3:E6 The Wisdom of Our Bodies with Hillary L. McBride, PhD Katherine Spearing In evangelical culture we receive a lot of messages about the body being bad. We’re told to control our bodies and deny our flesh, but as we’ll learn in this episode, that’s actually anti Christian. Featuring Dr.…
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
Groundbreaking podcast pioneering pivotal conversations about Spiritual Abuse.
Interviews with authors, artists, experts, and story tellers to validate the experience of survivors of Spiritual Abuse, providing practical insights for the recovery journey.
Your host is Katherine Spearing, a Certified Trauma Recovery Practitioner with nearly a decade of previous experience working in the evangelical church.
This is the affiliate podcast of TearsofEden.org , a nonprofit for community and understanding in the aftermath of Spiritual Abuse.
Find us on Instagram @uncertainpodcast
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