Words That Move Me with Dana Wilson

Bret Easterling has spent his entire life (even pre-birth!) dancing, and his entire career building worlds on stage, on screen, and inside the communities that make dance possible. A producer, Juilliard-trained and award winning choreographer, former Batsheva performer, founder of LGBTQ+ nonprofit BEMOVING, and one half of the creative duo EICHTERLING, Bret joined me this week to talk about what it actually takes to make a dance film, why the logistics always threaten to swallow the artistry, and what happens when you let something be easy. We explore: Bret’s new film “True Love Will Find You in the End”. WATCH IT HERE The Clown Car Theory of a creative process What gets cut and why, finding the ending no one planned, and what that says about following ease. Teaching as space-making: Why Bret is never really in the business of telling people what to do, and how the most important thing a teacher can do is make someone feel capable of discovering something new. This episode is for anyone who's ever let logistics push the love of the work to the back seat, and those who need a reminder that the Joy of Dance is always there, waiting. Watch the full episode here.  Show Notes: Connect with Bret on IG Watch “True Love Will Find You In the End” For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok  

Tali has spent 20+ years at every level of the dance world, with credits ranging from Rihanna and P!nk to the West End production of The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. She joined me this week to talk about what it really means to advocate for choreographers, why freestyle is one of the most advanced skills in the room, and how a single conversation got one of her clients double the offer. Spoiler: Productions will lowball until someone teaches them not to. Tali's decided that's part of her job too. We explore: Can we just be storytellers? Tali on representing Black and Brown choreographers in an industry that too often boxes them into Black and Brown stories, and why the chance to choreograph a fantastical world, post-COVID, felt like a gift. The pros and cons of freestylers showing up in more traditionally "choreographed" spaces. Production not batting an eye when she asked for double the rate for one of her clients: What that says about bottom-line culture, and why asking is always worth it. This episode is for anyone who's ever watched an artist undercharge, underestimate themselves, or wait for permission to take up more space. Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: Connect with Tali on IG  Join Tali’s Programme: “identity/ideas/industry” Read the Choreographer’s Guild Handbook Read The Choreographer’s Handbook For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

Karen Chuang is a dancer, teacher, and choreographer based in Los Angeles who has toured with Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga, Nicki Minaj, Kanye West, taught across nine countries, and built a career that moves fluidly between the commercial and contemporary dance worlds. Spoiler: Excellence alone won't get you (and *keep* you) the gig! We explore: The Jack Johnson T-shirt moment. A moment when the most important lesson of your career arrives in a phone call you never expected. “Wherever you go, there you are.” The quote Karen has carried with her for years — and what it actually means to embrace a circumstance that isn't your ideal one, reframe it with intention, and then decide whether to stay or move yourself somewhere new. Financial literacy for dancers. What Karen wishes dancers knew earlier about money, and how her approach to educating at conventions like Hollywood Vibe has shifted from when she first started, and why that evolution matters for the next generation coming up. Being the cool auntie (or not). Karen reflects on what it means to be connected to her nephews not as a career success story, but just as family. This episode is for every dancer who has ever been told to pick a style, a lane, or a world, and needed one person to show them what's possible when you don't. Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: Connect with Karen on IG  Learn more about Hollywood Vibe Learn more about Pathways in Motion For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

Jackie Sleight is a choreographer, founder of LA Dance Magic, and founder and co-director of LA Jazz Company, and an example of what happens when a woman decides NOT TO STOP! Spoiler: Your favorite dance teachers’ favorite dance teacher didn't get there by playing it safe. We explore: Nine recessions and still standing. Why Jackie believes that choosing to do something else isn't failure; it's moving forward, and what it actually takes to stay in the dance industry through every economic wave that tries to knock you out. The clipboard moment. The story of Roland Dupree, the Wilshire Ebell, and the day Jackie showed up with a pencil and a clipboard, only to note the best worst thing that ever happened to her. Stop snooping, start leading. How Jackie spent years watching what other conventions were doing until she realized it was exhausting, inauthentic, and completely beside the point, and the decision to follow her own vision that became the backbone of LA Dance Magic, Educators Dance Collective, and the Los Angeles Jazz Company. This episode is for anyone who has ever been tempted to look to the left and right instead of straight ahead and needed one person to remind them that nobody else can bring what you bring. Watch the full episode HERE. Show Notes: Connect with Jackie Sleight on IG Learn about LA Dance Magic  Learn about Jazz Company  Learn about the Dance Educators Collective For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok 

WEED OH NO! The Seaweed Sisters' first-ever live show, premiering this June at the Los Angeles Theater Center with @latinotheaterco. TICKETS ARE ON SALE HERE  This week, special guest host Emily Wanserski — executive producer of the show — brings @TheSeaweedSisters together to pull back the curtain on how it all gets made. What the show actually is, what it feels like, and what you can expect when you walk into their bubble. We explore:   What WEED OH NO! actually is: A magical show-and-tell. A talent show. Weeds popping up in the world, except now you get to step inside one of their spaces. Expect the unexpected, and expect to be surprised by where you're sitting.   How it gets made when there are no rules. No client, no single, no existing material. Just the Seaweeds and a whooolllee lot of silliness (and heart).   What makes this moment different. Why everything the Seaweed Sisters have made in the last 12 years has been building toward this, and why a first time only happens once. This episode is for anyone who wants to know what's waiting for them downtown this June before they walk through the door.  Because the Seaweed Sisters are inviting you into their bubble for the first time. And they won't ever have a first time again. Watch the episode here. Show Notes: Buy tickets to see WEED OH NO! June 5-14 Watch “Still Got It”  Watch “Racks” Watch “Night at the Seater” Connect with the Seaweed Sisters on IG  Connect with Emily on IG  Listen to our first episode with The Seaweed Sisters Listen to our episode with Meg  Listen to our episode with Jillian  Listen to our episode with Taylor Learn more about the Center for Provocative Thought Book space at Elements Dance Space Learn more about our Production Manager, Tatum For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

This is my episode on what happens when someone makes falling off buildings look like an art form. Marissa Labog is a dancer, stunt performer, filmmaker, and mom, and she joined me this week to talk about something I didn't expect: how stunts and dance are actually the same conversation, just with better padding. Spoiler: the scariest part of doing something dangerous isn't the danger. It's skipping a step. We explore: The stunt that had no rehearsal. What happened when Marissa landed in Mexico City with no prep, a third-story window, and a drainpipe, and why not having time to think might have been the whole point. Back to basics as a superpower. The day a group of veteran stunt performers all froze at once, and the simple method they used to get each other moving again. (Spoiler: it works for everything, not just stunts.) Building your own path vs. following someone else's. Why Marissa started UP Productions, what she wants female action heroes to look like, and her response to the guy at the Q&A who said he hated her movie. This episode is for anyone who has ever stood at the edge of something terrifying and wondered if they were built for it. Because if Marissa has taught me anything, it's that courage isn't the absence of fear. It's the evidence you've been collecting all along. So, are you okay hitting the ground? Show Notes: Connect with Marissa on IG Follow Upproductionz on IG Subscribe to Upproductionz on Vimeo Watch “When Kids Grow Up” Listen to our Parents episode  Listen to our episode with Toni  Listen to our episode with Samo For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok 

This is my episode on the pattern that lives between your worst feeling and your best one. I'm going solo this week to talk about something I discovered mid-move — four steps up a staircase, a king-size mattress, and a full emotional spiral that somehow led to one of my favorite realizations yet. Spoiler: your worst feeling isn't the end. It's actually the beginning. We explore: The mattress that broke me (and then didn't). What happened when Riley and I couldn't muscle a king-size mattress up 17 stairs, why my brain immediately jumped to men and women going to war with weapons, and what that says about how fast our minds can catastrophize from one moment of feeling incapable. Incapable → Learning → Offering. The three-part pattern I didn't know I had — and why recognizing it changed how I relate to my hardest feelings. When you know what's on the other side, the beginning doesn't feel quite as terminal. This episode is for anyone who has ever felt incapable and taken it as a verdict instead of a starting point. Because feeling like you can't do something isn't a life sentence. It's the first step in a cycle that ends with you handing someone an opportunity they didn't see coming. So, what's the feeling that feels like your end? Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

This is my episode on Credits, Collaboration, and the Industry Conversations We've Been Waiting to Have I sit down with choreographer Jamal Sims and associate choreographer Will Bell to talk about what it actually looks like when the dance industry takes care of its own — and what happens when it doesn't. Spoiler: the best collaborations aren't built on titles. They're built on trust. We explore: The meet-cute that almost didn't happen. How juggling Beauty and the Beast and Encanto at the Hollywood Bowl simultaneously led Jamal to one phone call, one name, and a partnership that just worked, and what that says about the power of the right person in the room. Assistant choreographer ≠ personal assistant of the choreographer. Why the industry still confuses the two, what it cost Will when someone called him "difficult" for knowing his own job description, and why having a choreographer's handbook on standby might not be the worst idea. The credit problem nobody wants to talk about. How the line between assistant and associate can define someone's entire career trajectory, and why giving people their proper title isn't just courtesy, it's how they get their next job. This episode is for every dancer, choreographer, and creative who has ever done the work and watched someone else get the credit. Because being an assistant isn't a life sentence. And “Associate” isn't just a title. So, are you willing to advocate for the people in your room? Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: Connect with Jamal on IG Connect with Will on IG Watch Grease: Rise of the Pink Ladies Watch the Beauty & The Beast: The 30th Anniversary Special Watch the Encanto Live at the Hollywood Bowl  Read the Choreographers Guild Handbook  Listen to our episode with Julie  Listen to our In The Heights Episode Listen to our episode with Kai For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

This is my episode on Healing, Collaboration, and the Care You Didn't Know You Were Missing In this episode, I sit down with the team at Offset Med, the referral-only practice that's quietly taking care of some of the hardest-working bodies in the industry, to talk about what it actually looks like when healthcare meets you where you are. Spoiler: the best care isn't a diagnosis. It's a discovery process. We explore: Activity-based care vs. cookie-cutter treatment. Why your ankle sprain and your friend's ankle sprain are not the same injury and why the best providers know that your history, your habits, and how you live are just as important as what's actually hurting. The couch that broke the camel's back. How a three-day travel stretch, a night out with friends, and one heavy piece of furniture combined into the injury I thought was just the couch, and what that taught me about how bodies actually break down. Referral culture as a business model. Why Offset Med skipped the client avatars and the marketing funnels and built something real instead by solving real problems for real people and letting the snowball do the rest. This episode is for every dancer, performer, and human who has ever walked out of a provider's office feeling like a diagnosis instead of a person. Because you're not going to get fixed in one session. And that's okay. So, are you willing to trust the journey? Watch the full episode here! Show Notes: Connect with Offset Med on IG For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

This is my episode on Confidence and what’s keeping you from feeling it! In this solo episode, Dana (movement director, artist developer, and your unofficial confidence coach) breaks down the one thing her students, pop stars, and actors keep asking for, and why they've been thinking about it all wrong. Spoiler: confidence isn't a skill you build. It's a feeling you're willing to have. We explore: Task-based confidence vs. self-confidence. Why the version of confidence most of us are chasing is actually the smallest slice of the pie, and what the rest of the grocery store looks like when you finally walk in. The milk metaphor that started it all. From shaking toddler hands to one-handed, foot-on-the-door pouring, and why crying over spilled milk is actually the origin story of every performer who's ever said, "I just need more confidence." Willingness as the real currency. How walking into a room of 500 phenomenal dancers with zero world tour credits on your resume can still look like you've done it before, and the single mindset shift that makes that possible. This episode is the one her student asked for, the one she thought she'd already made, and the one that might permanently change the way you think about what it means to be unflappable. So, are you willing to feel your least favorite feeling? Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok 

This is Paul Turner on Feedback, Family, and Finding Your People in Unfamiliar Territory In this episode, Performer, Reality Star, “Production Fairy” and Producer, Paul Turner, shares his perspective on compassion, improvisation, and building creative community in spaces that demand instant connection. From competing on Survivor Europe with two weeks' notice and a rainbow tank top to launching Where's My Phone Productions, Paul reveals what it means to give feedback that builds people up instead of breaking them down. We explore: Criticism with compassion over criticism with a period. How stern feedback creates a full stop that erases all the good someone just did, and what it means to remember performers are on hour nine of day 65 before you open your mouth. The journey from being on reality TV to making it! The found family that comes from it and how Paul developed an improvisational nature. From purple-haired Alaskan dancers to production company founders. The origin story of Where's My Phone Productions (yes, it's named after a very drunk Vegas photo), why partnering with choreographer Brittany Riddle to tell stories about people who don't fit the Alaska stereotype matters, and what happens when they capture those lightning-in-a-bottle moments of forced intimacy and creative survival. This conversation reveals what happens when you lead with empathy instead of authority, when you say yes to opportunities that scare you (even if you don't speak the language), and when you realize the most interesting stories come from the people who never quite fit the expected mold. Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: Connect with Paul on IG For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

Celebrate FIVE years of Words That Move Me with Producer & Host, Dana Wilson, joined by Executive Assistant & Editor Riley Higgins!    This episode is a wild ride including: Friends drinking adult hot cocoa A trip down memory lane of the last five years of the podcast!  How we handled grit vs grace this year Our essential travel items PLUS a story that will have your heart beating out of your chest!    Thank you listener/viewer for FIVE WHOLE YEARS! We couldn’t do it without you. Here’s to five more!   Watch the full episode here.  Show Notes: For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

This is Sienna Lyons on Sensuality, Specialization, and the Strength to Sustain   In this episode, Choreographer, Educator, and Dancer Sienna Lyons shares her perspective on power, versatility, and longevity in an industry that often demands everything at once. From backup dancing for JLo and Taylor Swift to choreographing for Gwen Stefani and The Masked Singer, Sienna reveals what it means to command attention without giving everything away. We explore:   The art of the tease over the reveal. Why she gravitates toward the "don't look at me, but look at me" approach to sensuality, how different opacities of sexy—from the subtle smirk to what she calls "the yeast infection"—shape character choices, and what it means to keep certain elements as a privilege rather than a given. The generalist advantage in a specialist world. How training in everything from tap to commercial hip hop since age three became her secret weapon, why being fluent in both technical and commercial languages opens doors across choreographic camps, and the radical notion that "of course" having multiple skill sets works in your favor. Prehab over rehab at 36. The lightbulb moment when she realized PT isn't just for when you're hurting, why consistency matters more than intensity as the body ages, and what happens when you're still in great shape but gravity and years of abnormal physicality start sending reminders.   This conversation reveals what happens when you refuse to perform easiness as a character trait, when you embrace being many things instead of one singular thing, and when you learn that maintaining your instrument is just as important as mastering your craft. Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: Connect with Sienna on IG Listen to Tony’s episode  Listen to Dominique’s episode  Listed to Jillian’s episode  Listen to Slay’s episode  Listen to Mimi’s episode For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE   Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

This is Dr. Arnel Calvario Ripkens on conscious leadership, cultural stewardship, and the dance program that says “yes” when others say “no”. In this episode, dancer, leader, and Doctor of Occupational Therapy Arnel Calvario Ripkens shares three decades of wisdom on building community, honoring roots, and creating space for everybody. We explore: The antidote to lonely leadership. Why "you're not alone" is the first thing every leader needs to hear, the power of reciprocal mentorship relationships, and how mission statements become your compass when organizations grow and evolve. Conscious cultural participation. What it means to be a guest in black-created art forms, how Culture Shock LA showed up for the communities whose culture shaped their choreography, and why knowledge of where dance comes from strengthens the power of what we do. Awesome Shock and neurodivergent dancers. The parents who shared that studios turned their kids away, the grant-funded after-school program that became a full dance troupe, and how 27 dancers ages 6 to 28 proved that diversity includes neurodiversity. Plus, more insights on being the best leader you can be! This conversation reveals what happens when you lead with a mission first, when you honor the heritage of the art forms you practice, and when you create programs that affirm every dancer—especially those who've been told they learn differently. Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: Connect with Arnel  Listen to our first episode with Arnel Arnel’s Leadership Tools for the Dance Leader  Learn more about Culture Shock LA For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

This is Will Johnston on new projects, originality, and the moment in a lunge that changed everything. In this episode, choreographer and director Will Johnston discusses his creative process, artistic influence, and the evolution of his work, from competitive dance beginnings to directing music videos for major artists. We explore: The choreography of numbness through cathartic movement. How his film "Pepper" explores over-consumption and paralysis, when the body holds chaos and vibration even when it can't move, and what happens to our vessels when the stimulation stops. Originality, influence, and the proofread process. Whether truly original thoughts exist, how dancers physicalize and remanifest what they see, and the idea of adding a "proofreading" step to creative work The lunge that sparked everything. That pivotal seventh-grade moment when recreation became serious, when "I should work hard" became a defining thought, and how weight-bearing holds can catalyze life-changing realizations. Plus, insights on evolving from dancer to director, working with DPs, and bringing technical precision to artistic vision. This conversation reveals what emerges when we examine our influences honestly, when we create space between inspiration and imitation, and when a single moment of clarity in class becomes the foundation for a global career. Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: Connect with Will on IG Watch “Pepper” For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

This is The Full Circle Boys & Keone Madrid on evolution, trust, and what becomes possible when creative roles shift. In this episode, The Full Circle Boys and choreographer Keone Madrid discuss their collaboration journey—from DIY beginnings to finding their distinct lanes. We explore: The sonic vision of a modern American boy band. How their creative sessions revealed a sound and aesthetic that broke from traditional boy band templates. The power of role clarity and creative trust. How the group transitioned from being hands-on choreographers juggling multiple responsibilities to focusing on music while trusting Keone completely. Creating beyond algorithms and benchmarks. What it means to navigate engagement metrics and content benchmarks (three seconds, six seconds, fifteen) while staying true to what speaks to you. Plus, some big laughs and a brand new 8 count! This conversation reveals what's possible when collaborators find their zones of genius, when trust replaces the need to control everything, and when the work itself becomes more important than perfecting your response to praise. Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: Connect with the Full Circle Boys on IG Connect with Keone on IG Watch all the latest FCB Music Videos  Listen to their new EP “Plié” For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

This is an episode on injury, resistance, and the thoughts that become available after you stop fighting what is. In this episode, Dana shares her first-ever back injury at 39 and the 4 key lessons that came with it. We explore: The non-negotiable truth about injury. Why pretending you're not hurt serves no one, no job is worth pushing through real pain, and "if" you'll get injured is actually "when", even if you shop exclusively at Whole Foods and still manage to scrape your knee in Crocs Separating physical pain from emotional shame. How we compound very real injury-related pain with unnecessary embarrassment, why you're not stupid for thinking you could move the couch without warming up (you're human), and the essential practice of telling people you're healing without kicking yourself while you're down The egg white layer of resistance. What happens when you actually sit with unwanted thoughts like, "I can't be injured right now" instead of bypassing them, how that paper-thin friction softens into acceptance when you give it airtime, and the thoughts that become available on the other side: "I'm 100% exactly when I need to be, and I can handle what's in front of me with this body, exactly as it is." This conversation reveals what's possible when we stop resisting our human limitations and start recognizing that our bodies don't always cooperate with our timelines—and that's not a character flaw. Whether you're currently injured, recovering, or inevitably will be someday, Dana's experience offers a framework for meeting pain without adding suffering, and finding agency even when your body has other plans. Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

This is Mel Mah on intuition, container-shifting, and letting dance lead you to your voice. In this episode, Mel Mah, writer, director, producer, former professional dancer, and internationally renowned yoga teacher, shares her journey from dancing for icons like Janet Jackson to directing her first feature film. We explore: The art of creative incubation. Why Mel treats her work like birthing a child, protecting ideas in their vulnerable early stages, and the deep meditation required to step back from your own material and see it objectively, especially when you're both writer and director Dance as energy, not identity. How Mel discovered that rhythm, emotional expression, and storytelling don't disappear when you leave the stage, they simply find new containers. Why she never really left dance; it just transitioned with her into teaching, directing, and writing The unexpected gift of rejection. How not booking tours early in her LA years created space for something else: teaching yoga at Millennium's loft on Sunday mornings to five or six people, discovering her voice, and recognizing a calling that dance alone couldn't fulfill This conversation reveals what happens when we stop defining ourselves by what we do and start recognizing the essence that flows through everything we do. Whether you're navigating your own transition out of performing, searching for ways to use your voice, or learning to trust divine timing when doors don't open, Mel's journey offers a masterclass in how dancers inherently understand transformation; we just have to trust the choreography. Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: Listen to our Parents Roundtable Listen to Kat’s episode Listen to Mimi’s episode Listen to the Seaweed Sisters Episode For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

This is Andy Funk and Jeremy Keeton on legacy, transition, and the next chapter for Monsters of Hip Hop. In this episode, Andy Funk, founder of Monsters of Hip Hop, and Jeremy Keeton, founder of Adreneline, sit down to discuss one of dance education's most significant transitions. As Andy passes the torch of his iconic brand to Jeremy, they explore: The catalysts for major life transitions. How the loss of Andy's father prompted deep reflection on priorities, family, and the desire to explore new challenges beyond what he and his team have built over the years Intentional legacy planning. Why preserving the integrity, uniqueness, and essence of Monsters of Hip Hop mattered more than any other consideration, and how their relationship through the Dance Educators Collective made Jeremy the natural choice for stewardship Leading through action in times of change. Jeremy's commitment to honoring the foundation of Monsters, learning from the existing faculty and community, and showing up with actions rather than words as he navigates this responsibility This conversation reveals what thoughtful leadership transitions look like in the dance industry, rooted in relationships, respect for community, and a shared understanding that some legacies are too important to leave to chance. Whether you're building something you hope will outlast you, considering your next chapter, or learning to steward what others have created, this episode offers a masterclass in how dancers naturally understand the art of transition. Watch the full episode on YouTube. Show Notes: For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok  

This is Brinn Nicole on evolution, authenticity, and redefining success in dance. In this episode, professional choreographer and Heels dance instructor Brinn Nicole—creator of the Pumpfidence—opens up about the profound shift from industry ambition to inner transformation. Brinn, whose work treats Heels dance as a pathway to emotional development and empowerment, explores: The evolution of artistic drive—how her focus transitioned from "racking up credits" and booking tours to tapping into her feelings, being a working mom, and witnessing the freedom her work brings to others Building sustainable creative careers—the strategic pivot that led her to develop teacher training programs and franchise her assistants as Pumpfidence instructors, creating passive income streams that allow artistic freedom while honoring the recovering from labor.  The branding evolution of Heels dance—from the pioneering work of teachers before her creating individual brands to the eventual umbrella term "heels" that unified the genre, and how she navigates positioning her "Pump" style within this landscape Brinn Nicole represents a new generation of dance educators who prioritize authentic self-expression and sustainable business practices over traditional industry validation. Whether you're questioning conventional definitions of success, building a teaching-based creative career, or exploring dance as a tool for personal transformation, this conversation offers essential insights into creating meaningful impact while staying true to your evolving artistic vision. Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: Connect with Brinn on IG For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

This is Moncell Durden on dance education, culture, appropriation, and activism.  In this episode, renowned dance educator and ethnographer Moncell Durden, professor of dance for 22 years and founder of INTANGIBLE ROOTS, is back on the podcast and challenges fundamental assumptions about dance history and pedagogy. Moncell, whose groundbreaking documentary "Everything Remains Raw" was featured at international film festivals and whose work spans from Mop Top Crew to academic institutions, explores: The house music revolution—why there are no "steps" in authentic house dance, how hip-hop dancers appropriated and codified a free-form club culture that was never meant to be systematized, and why you don't need to learn New York's claimed vocabulary to truly dance to house music Musicality versus moving musically—the crucial distinction between dancers who reflect sound and true musicianship, and how understanding harmony, melody, and tone color transforms dancers into musical collaborators rather than mere interpreters Dismantling ballet supremacy—why a 600-year-old European form cannot claim to be the "beginning of everything" when dance traces back 2.5 million years to the Paleolithic era, and the importance of understanding any dance form within its proper cultural and social parameters  Moncell Durden represents the cutting edge of decolonized dance scholarship and the preservation of Afro-Diasporic movement traditions. Whether you're questioning Eurocentric dance hierarchies, seeking authentic approaches to cultural dance forms, or exploring the intersection of embodied history and contemporary pedagogy, this conversation offers essential insights into reclaiming dance's true global heritage. Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: Connect with Moncell on IG Listen to Moncell’s 1st episode with WTMM  Watch Everything Remains Raw Watch Check Your Body at The Door  Take Moncell’s Intangible Roots Course Read the USC article  Listen to Chloe’s episode For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE

This is Will Loftis on creativity as an act of service, finding your personal "in," and the Adele approach to sustainable artistry! In this episode, visionary choreographer and creative director Will Loftis—fresh off his Hollywood Music Video Award nomination for Ariana Grande's "Yes, And?" and his work on the iconic Wicked films—shares wisdom from the biggest stages in entertainment. Will, whose movement has brought life to everything from Met Gala performances to major film musicals, explores: The personal "in" philosophy—how working with director John Chu on Wicked taught him that every project demands finding your authentic connection point, why saying no becomes easier when you can't find that spark, and the difference between taking work because you can versus taking work because you must The Adele model of artistry—embracing cycles of intense creative output followed by intentional retreat, why "you can miss me" creates space for deeper work, and how thinking about desired lifestyle rather than just career goals shapes better creative decisions Creativity as pure service—his revelation that at its truest form, creative work channels something bigger than individual ego, how this perspective removes the pressure of ownership over outcomes, and why remembering "it's never really your thing" liberates artists from perfectionist paralysis Will Loftis represents the intersection of commercial success and artistic integrity in today's entertainment landscape. Whether you're navigating creative career choices, seeking sustainable approaches to high-pressure industries, or exploring the spiritual dimensions of artistic collaboration, this conversation offers profound insights into building a meaningful creative life while working at the highest levels. Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: Connect with Will on IG Listen to Mandy’s episode Listen to Jillian’s episode  Listen to Tyce’s episode Listen to Comfort’s episode Listen to the In The Heights episode Listen to Marty’s episode Listen to the Seaweed Sisters episode Watch "Rather Important" by The Seaweed Sisters Watch “Yes, And”  Watch “Cold Hearted Snake” 

This is Taya Lee on assistant choreography, the clarity of movement, and learning while earning in the dance industry! In this episode, professional dancer and choreographer Taya Lee takes us from her San Diego roots to assisting on Beyoncé's Cowboy Carter Tour and dancing with Doechii. Taya, whose credits span MTV Movie & TV Awards performances to standing in for Missy Elliott, explores: The evolution of assistant choreography—how stepping into rooms with legends like Tyrik Patterson means being ready when "choreographer" in your title suddenly demands you create those crucial 8 counts, and learning that every creative partnership requires different skills, from demonstration to invention Movement as language—why dancing "like water" isn't enough if you're unclear, and her revelation that fluid movement without punctuation creates run-on sentences that leave both performer and audience breathless The myth of complete preparation—discovering that the industry teaches you while paying you, breaking down the assumption that you need to know everything before stepping into professional spaces, and finding freedom in learning through doing rather than studying from the sidelines Taya Lee represents the new generation of dance artists championing work that amplifies Black womxn experiences. Whether you're interested in the behind-the-scenes reality of major tours, the philosophy of clear movement communication, or navigating creative careers where expertise develops through practice, this conversation offers profound insights into growing as an artist while staying true to your values. Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: Connect with Taya on IG Listen to How Do Dancers Make Money For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

Kid David on breaking, terrifying tour stories, his Emmy-winning broadcast coverage of the Olympics, and finding freedom through mastery! In this episode, professional B-boy and breaking commentator Kid David (David Shreibman) takes us from the streets where he discovered breaking to the biggest stage in sports—the 2024 Paris Olympics. The Emmy-winning commentator, whose credits span the Step Up film series to NBC's Olympic coverage, explores: The art of "forgetting" your technique—how spending decades mastering footwork, glides, and freezes is ultimately about trusting your body so completely that you can stop thinking and start truly listening, creating those magical moments where raw authenticity emerges through pure reaction Surviving Hollywood's disposable dancer culture—from literally almost dying in a malfunctioning stage lift during a major tour, to learning the harsh reality that performers are often seen as replaceable line items Breaking down breaking for the world—the intense preparation behind NBC's Olympic commentary. Kid David embodies the evolution of breaking from underground culture to mainstream recognition. Whether you're interested in the intersection of street culture and elite competition, surviving creative industries that undervalue artists, or learning how mastery creates space for genuine expression, this conversation offers powerful insights into staying true to your craft while navigating its commercial possibilities. Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: Connect with Kid David on IG  Read The Believing Brain by Michael Shermer Listen to our episode with Marty  Read the Art of Learning by Joshua Waitzkin Listen to our episode with Randi  Listen to the episode with Alison For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER

Kai Martinez on marketing, empowering women through choreography, jealousy, Anderson. Paak, and all things Encanto! In this episode, accomplished dancer and choreographer Kai Martinez shares her journey from passionate performer to industry innovator, revealing how clarity of purpose transforms both artistry and career trajectory. The Latina powerhouse, whose credits span from Christina Aguilera and Kendrick Lamar to Disney's Oscar-winning Encanto, explores: "tuning into your frequency"—discovering what you stand for as an artist and how that clarity naturally aligns you with the right projects, from empowering women through movement to championing underserved communities and sharing diverse cultural stories The groundbreaking process behind Disney's "We Don't Talk About Bruno"—how they reated choreography from storyboards alone, with their studio footage directly informing the animation layout, then spending six months collaborating with Disney's animation team to ensure every hip rotation and beat hit with precision Her revolutionary work bridging dance and animation—collaborating with Disney's Michael Woodside to establish new standards for how choreographers and animators work together on musical sequences, creating a template that elevated the entire industry's approach to animated dance The power of reframing jealousy as a navigational tool—using the "jealousy map" technique from The Artist's Way to transform envy into actionable insight, discovering what you truly want and taking immediate steps toward those goals rather than scrolling past inspiration Kai represents the evolution of choreography across mediums. From her roots watching dancers in underserved neighborhoods to mentoring the next generation, she embodies how finding your authentic voice and values can create pathways not just for personal success, but for lifting entire communities. Whether you're interested in the intersection of live performance and animation, building authentic artistic relationships, or learning how to channel inspiration into action, this conversation offers powerful insights into creating work that truly matters. Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: Connect with Kai Take a class with Kai Kai’s Black Sweat video Watch colorwise by the Seaweed Sisters Listen to our episode with Popin'’ Pete Listen to our episode with Jamal Listen to our episode with Marty  Listen to our episode with Reina  Listen to our episode with Asiel 

Comfort Fedoke on Emotional Choreography, Collaborative Art-Making, and the Power of Adaptability In this episode, Emmy Award-winning dancer, choreographer, and multi-hyphenate artist Comfort Fedoke opens up about her innovative approach to movement as emotional language and the art of authentic collaboration. The Nigerian-American performer, known for her journey from So You Think You Can Dance contestant to All-Star to judge, reveals: Her groundbreaking new show "A/VOID"—a double entendre exploring the emotions we avoid and the void they create, developed with creative partner Zoe Rappaport and set within the immersive light-and-sound installation Chromasonic Field in downtown LA The magic of synesthetic performance—how she's creating work where "color becomes audible and sound becomes visible," using all the senses to help audiences viscerally understand what they're feeling through movement Her collaborative choreographic process—the late-night living room sessions that led to the Ozdust Ballroom Scene in Wicked, where authentic movement language emerges through freestyle experimentation, building "like a puzzle" until the soul speaks louder than technique The biggest lesson from her So You Think You Can Dance journey: learning to be adaptable and understanding her role as a muse and influential collaborator, discovering how to elevate choreographers while maintaining lasting artistic relationships As a performer who has shared stages with H.E.R., John Legend, Harry Styles, Taylor Swift, and countless other A-list artists, while also working as a commentator for Red Bull TV and judge on Nigeria's Maltina Dance All, Comfort embodies the evolution of dance as storytelling. From splitting time between London (where she's associate choreographer on "Wicked" and the West End's "Cabaret") and LA, she's creating work that transforms spaces and challenges audiences to feel more deeply. Whether you're interested in the intersection of technology and movement, the business of being a creative collaborator, or simply want to understand how dance can make the invisible visible, this conversation offers profound insights into making art that moves both bodies and souls. Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: Connect with Comfort on IG Get Tickets to Comfort’s show Donate to A/VOID Watch “Try A Little Tenderness” from SYTYCD Listen to our episode with the In The Heights Team Watch the full Ozdust Ballroom Scene For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER

Zoey Anderson on Becoming Undeniable Talent, Defying Gravity, and Finding Your Artistic Home In this episode, Parsons Dance Company principal Zoey Anderson shares her remarkable journey from summer intensive discovery to becoming one of contemporary dance's most captivating performers. A 10-year company veteran, Clive Barnes Award winner, and Bessie Award nominee reveals: Her serendipitous path into Parsons Dance—how being spotted at Marymount's summer intensive led to an immediate company placement when the stars aligned and a dancer departed Dana’s philosophy on developing "undeniable, untouchable talent" over focusing on industry mechanics—why she believes pre-professional dancers should redirect energy from questions about hair color and tattoos to becoming the artist companies can't live without The mesmerizing solo "Caught"—a gravity-defying illusion performed in strobe lighting that creates the impossible: a body suspended in space for five minutes, executing over 112 jumps while appearing to never touch the ground Operating at extremes: her all-or-nothing approach to energy management, planning for both 100% intensity and complete restoration through 13-15 hour sleep cycles As a performer who has graced stages from Broadway's "On The Town" opening night gala to the Academy Award-winning film "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button," and competed as a National Champion in Ballroom Smooth dancing, Zoey embodies the athletic artistry and infectious joy that defines contemporary dance. Whether you're an aspiring dancer seeking your artistic home or anyone fascinated by the intersection of illusion and movement, this conversation offers both practical wisdom and pure magic for understanding what it means to become irreplaceable in your craft. Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: Connect with Zoey on Instagram Watch a Parsons Dance performance For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok 

From Basketball Dreams to Dance Floors: Lisa "L-Boogie" Bauford's Journey of Art, Family, and Finding Light in Darkness   Meet Lisa "L-Boogie" Bauford - a professional dancer, creative entrepreneur, and the heart behind Blame Boogie LLC. In this inspiring conversation, Lisa opens up about her incredible journey from childhood basketball dreams to becoming a world-traveling dancer and emcee.   What You'll Discover: Family DNA of Dance - How Lisa's love for movement began at age 3-4 in a juke joint, with party lights flashing and grown folks cheering her on   The Pivot - Why her first love of basketball led her to an even greater passion for dance and the stage   Chronicles of Tour Life - Stories from her global dance career and how travel experiences influenced her unique clothing designs   Survivalist to Artist - The courageous leap from financial security to chasing dreams, and how her community rallied to support her audition journey   The Philosophy That Drives Everything: "People will forget what you did, people will forget what you said, but people will never forget how you made them feel." - Maya Angelou (tattooed on Lisa's body and embedded in her soul)   Plus Some Real Talk: Ever wonder about those pre-performance jitters? Lisa gets hilariously honest about the universal performer experience of suddenly needing to pee right before showtime.   Watch the full episode here.   Show Notes: Connect with Lisa on IG Listen to the Seaweed Sisters episode Listen to Shaun’s episode For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

Sydney Mesher on Disability Representation, Kicking Down Barriers, and Changing the Entertainment Industry In this episode, trailblazing performer Sydney Mesher shares her journey as the first visibly disabled Radio City Rockette and her mission to transform representation in entertainment. Born without her left hand, Sydney reveals: Her transformative experience making history with the Radio City Rockettes and performing on iconic stages The often overlooked reality of navigating dance training and professional choreography with a disability, including the mental gymnastics of constantly adapting instructions and movement on the spot while never wanting to disrupt the creative process The profound importance of portraying disabled bodies as desirable and sexy in media—a taboo topic that Sydney addresses with remarkable candor—and how the absence of such representation affected her own self-image growing up Creating more examples of her in the world with her book “She Kept Dancing” As a multi-disciplinary artist working across dance, modeling, and acting, Sydney exposes the stark contrast between being hired as a dancer versus being brought on as "inclusive talent," and her determination to change how the entertainment industry approaches disability. Whether you're a performer with a disability seeking representation or anyone passionate about creating more authentic and diverse art forms, this conversation offers both emotional honesty and inspiring insights for breaking boundaries and embracing your unique artistic voice. Watch the full episode here! Show Notes: Connect with Sydney on IG Buy Sydney’s book “She Kept Dancing” Read Sydney’s ESPN article Listen to Joe’s episode Listen to the Seaweed Sisters episode For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

The Business of Dance: Revealing the 3 Paths to Income for Professional Dancers. This episode pulls back the curtain on the financial realities of dance careers through a fascinating analysis of booking patterns and relationship-building. Discover the surprising statistics that show how much work Dana has booked from established relationships rather than auditions. Learn why unpaid passion projects often fuel paid opportunities, and explore the universal value-creation formula that applies to dancers and entrepreneurs alike. This episode will help you: Understand the three primary ways dancers secure paying work See the crucial connection between unpaid artistic projects and paid opportunities Recognize the "full-time job" of community relationship maintenance Apply a simple 6-step formula for creating and monetizing value Balance artistic passion with practical business strategy Transform your perspective on dance as both an art form and a viable career Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: Coach with Dana Listen to our episode with the Seaweed Sisters For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

Erik Cavanaugh (Dicks: The Musical, SavageXFenty, Apple Billboard) joins us on Words That Move Me this week! Breaking Barriers in Dance: Erik Cavanaugh on Body Representation, Big City Dreams, and Creating Inclusive Spaces In this inspiring episode, groundbreaking dancer Erik Cavanaugh shares his journey of reshaping the dance world and challenging body stereotypes. Drawing on his experiences across fashion, television, film, and advertising, Erik reveals: His surreal moment seeing himself on billboards in major cities worldwide—from Times Square to Tokyo—and the emotional impact of representation in an industry that often excludes diverse body types Practical wisdom for dancers considering relocating to major entertainment hubs like LA and New York, including why building a strong foundation before making the leap can prevent burnout The frustrating reality of costume departments failing to accommodate plus-size performers, forcing dancers like Erik to bring their own wardrobe or make last-minute purchases out of pocket As the creator of the movement "Dancers Come In All Sizes," Erik is committed to mentoring the next generation and creating spaces where all body types feel welcome in dance. Whether you're a performer facing body discrimination or someone passionate about creating more inclusive creative industries, this conversation offers both validation and actionable insights for breaking barriers and embracing your authentic artistic voice.   Watch the full episode here!   Show Notes: Connect with Erik on IG Watch Dicks the musical  Take Erik’s class in Nashville Watch Holland  For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and

The Choreographer's Canvas: Jasmine JB Badie on Redefining Stage Direction   As both a performer and creator, JB knows the distinction between dance class choreography and effective stage direction. Whether you're a dancer looking to transition into choreography or a creative director developing your leadership style, this conversation offers loads of wisdom for crafting performances that serve the vision while preserving the humanity of everyone involved.   Drawing on her experiences with Beyoncé, Sabrina Carpenter, and more, Jasmine breaks down:   Why her "humane choreographer" approach prioritizes kindness and efficiency over intimidation, creating better results without the trauma The pivotal moment when mentor Gil texted that he and Janet Jackson wanted to attend her show, culminating in a full-circle career validation The importance of purpose-driven choreography—why she refuses to create exhausting "class routines" when they don't serve the artist or audience Her unique creative process focused on viewpoint and feeling rather than technical complexity   Watch the full episode here.   Show Notes: Connect with JB on Instagram Watch the seaweed sisters at Vibe Victoria Monet BET awards Listen to the seaweed sisters episode Listen to Mandy’s episode Listen to Tony’s episode Listen to Gary’s episode  Listen to Toni’s episode Listen to Good Questions episode For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and

Reimagine Your Relationship to Wellness by Understanding Food, Hunger, and Hormones with Sherry Lin In this eye-opening episode, dancer and registered dietitian Sherry Lin shares her holistic, non-diet approach to nutrition and wellness. Drawing on her thirteen years of experience specializing in eating disorders, gut health, and performance nutrition, Sherry breaks down: The three types of hunger we experience (physical, emotional, and mental) and how to identify each in your body Why restrictive approaches to eating often backfire and how an “affirmative voice” can transform your relationship with food The surprising truth about hormonal cycles and metabolism—including why we experience intense cravings during certain phases As the founder of Rhythm and Nutrition and a professional dancer with an MFA from the University of Michigan, Sherry brings a unique perspective on body awareness and nutritional needs. Whether you’re struggling with disordered eating patterns or simply want to develop a healthier relationship with food, this conversation offers practical wisdom for anyone looking to nourish both body and soul.   Watch the episode here.   Show Notes: Connect with Sherry on IG Learn how to work with Sherry  Listen to my episode on Grit vs. Grace For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

Beyond Boundaries: The Multifaceted Journey of Samø Soto Join us for a revealing conversation with Samø Soto, a professional who has masterfully navigated the transition from B-boy to Stuntman while challenging industry perceptions about artistic identity. In this episode, Samø shares the emotional complexities of expanding beyond dance—the guilt, the external perceptions, and the struggle to be seen as multidimensional in an industry that prefers singular labels. Despite his passion for choreography and battling still burning bright, he’s determined to prove his commitment to stunts while advocating for a world that embraces versatility.  What you’ll discover: The internal conflict of pursuing multiple passions while fighting against binary job labels How dance fundamentally prepared him for stunt work through adaptability and quick choreographic thinking His journey from being the “weakest link” in crew battles to finding his unique contribution through dynamic movement Why dancers have the “biggest cheat code” in entertainment with unprecedented access across production departments This conversation reveals how dancers occupy a position in the entertainment hierarchy not practiced often—a “hallway lined with doors” offering opportunities to explore lighting, wardrobe, stunts, and beyond. Samø’s story is a powerful testament to creative evolution and finding strength in versatility. Watch the full episode here.   Show Notes: Connect with Samø on Instagram For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

Behind the Curtain: The Extraordinary Life and Art of Toni Basil Featuring legendary Choreographer, Dancer, Director, Producer, Recording Artist, Historian, and “Hey Mickey” hitmaker Toni Basil in a rare, intimate conversation! We explore her remarkable career spanning decades in entertainment, from backstage memories as Vaudeville royalty to collaborating with icons like Elvis Presley, David Bowie, Bette Midler, and Tina Turner.  Here’s what you’ll discover: – How Toni’s behind-the-scenes childhood at the Chicago Theater shaped her love for performance  – The creative process behind Elvis’ in “Viva Las Vegas” assisting David Winters  – Her unexpected journey to becoming co-director for David Bowie after connecting through their shared mime vocabulary – Insights on working with superstars who “care about their legacy” and the work ethic behind true stardom This conversation reveals how following your artistic intuition—even when it leads to unexpected places—can create a lifetime of extraordinary creative collaborations. Toni’s fascinating stories illuminate how being fully present in each moment helped her navigate a groundbreaking career across film, television, and music. Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: Follow Toni on: IG: officialtonibasil X:Toni_Basil YouTube: ToniBasilsHouse TikTok: officialtonibasil Listen to Toni’s re-release of “Breakaway” Watch Hey Mickey  Watch Toni in West Side Story Watch Toni’s parents’ Vaudville Act Watch Toni’s aunt and uncle in a silent film from 1919 Watch Toni’s judges’ demo from Street Beat 2024 Watch Street Beat Watch Shopping A-Z For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on

Self-improvement is not about perfection, it’s about finding the right balance between pushing yourself and accepting yourself. When pursuing transformative change, there are two seemingly opposite approaches – “Grit” (hard work and critical coaching) and “Grace” (gentle and nurturing self-care). This episode is all about this “Personal Growth Paradox” and the tools and techniques for identifying and effectively balancing self-criticism and self-compassion.  This episode will help you: Reflect on your current self-talk patterns Recognize that transformation requires BOTH grit and grace Learn to discern when to apply each approach Create a balanced internal dialogue that supports growth Experiment with combining grit and grace in your personal development journey Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

Conversations on Creativity: Tony Testa’s Journey from Dancer to Creator Featuring my lifelong friend and visionary choreographer Tony Testa in his FIRST-EVER podcast interview! We dive deep into creative intuition, mentorship, and processing life’s challenges. This conversation reveals how following your instincts—even when they lead you away from what everyone else expects—can open doors to your authentic artistic voice.   Here’s what you’ll learn:   -How Tony discovered his calling as a choreographer while on the “Feedback” set with Ed Moore   -How the commercial dance space can leave artists wanting more   -Keys of mentor relationships: insights from working with legendary director Kenny Ortega and Greek grandmaster Dimitris Papaioannou   -The transformative power of persistence: scheduling time to process difficult emotions and the consistency needed for personal evolution   Watch the full episode here.   Show Notes: Listen to Gary’s episode Listen to Smac’s episode Listen to the Seaweed Sisters episode Listen to Michelle’s episode For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok   

The Art of Letting Go: Byron Tittle on Dance, Spontaneity & Finding Flow Mastering the “first time feeling” – how commercial dance taught Byron to embrace every performance as the final version The power of relaxation: discovering how letting go actually amplifies your technique & expands possibilities Beyond the tap shoes: hearing rhythm in everyday life & staying present in every moment From Broadway to the Grammys: invaluable lessons from crossing industry boundaries PLUS! A New segment we call “Where’s the One?” Featuring Princess Grace Award Winner & industry-bending performer Byron Tittle – bringing his wisdom from The St. James Theater to Grammy’s stage with Sabrina Carpenter! Watch as we explore why sometimes doing less leads to accessing more, and how dance lessons become life lessons. Watch the full episode here!   Show Notes: Listen to our In The Heights Listen to Martha’s episode Listen to Jillian’s episode Listent to Michelle’s episode  Listen to Marty’s episode  Listen to Caroline’s episode For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

Facts vs. Fiction – A Deep Dive into YOUR Thoughts on the Industry’s Changing Landscape Critical Thinking in Crisis: The danger of making career decisions based on rumors instead of facts, plus actionable strategies for navigating change Power of Perspective: Redefining what it means to be “working” in entertainment – from on-set gigs to personal growth & skill development Breaking Down the Numbers: Why the “mass exodus” narrative might be more dramatic than the data suggests  Listen now for a myth-busting exploration of the entertainment landscape and learn how to separate your thoughts from facts from fiction! Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

Breaking Rules & Breaking Through – A Raw Conversation About Dance, Freedom & Finding Your Way with Marie Poppins: “Technique should facilitate freedom” – dive into why mastery doesn’t mean conformity From baggy clothes to bare skin: exploring how clothing choices impact movement & confidence The audition heard around the world – turning voguing into victory when classical dance was “required” Real talk about owning your style & challenging dance gatekeepers Plus, candid confessions about fear, judgment, and finding YOUR authentic expression!  Watch this episode for all the inspiration & insights! Show Notes: Connect with Marie on IG Listen to Lorin’s episode Listen to Rhapsody’s episode  Listen to Pete’s episode  Listen to the Seaweed Sister episode For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

From friendly New Year reflections to game-changing networking strategies – we’re kicking off 2025 with warmth and wisdom: Should you be buying followers? We discuss it! Learn why generic “pick your brain” requests fail and what questions actually open doors Explore the rise of AI in creative fields, including its surprising impact on choreography and dance Get real about building genuine connections through sincere appreciation and follow-through Plus, we’re mixing serious career advice with playful moments! ENJOY!   Ready to ring in 2024?    Watch the full episode on YouTube here. Show Notes: For show notes and more PODCAST: https://link.chtbl.com/dEaK10ZE https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD0FUzWuOMbzFjA83cj8-QlwSxFxMQEKN   For more DANA: https://www.thedanawilson.com/   For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY: https://www.wordsthatmoveme.com/community/   To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER:  https://www.danceresourcecenter.org/fundraiser/the-dana-wilson-llc/   To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES: https://www.wordsthatmoveme.com/wtmm-shop/   Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok: https://instagram.com/wordsthatmovemepodcast?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== https://www.tiktok.com/@wordsthatmoveme?_t=8g0z5pktPwo&_r=1

Diving deep into the unfiltered stories of success and struggle in entertainment: Uncover the raw, behind-the-scenes realities of creative careers Learn how professional journeys are anything but linear Discover the power of resilience, advocacy, and honest self-reflection Understand why failures are just as important as successes Plus, we’re exploring the untold stories of every guest from 2024, breaking down the glamorous myths, and revealing the true human experience behind creative achievements! From choreographers fighting for talent to navigating the unpredictable waves of career success – it’s a must-listen that pulls back the curtain on what really happens in the entertainment world! Ready to hear the unvarnished truth?  Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

Diving deep into the art of conflict resolution this holiday season: Learn game-changing insights from Dana Caspersen’s transformative book Discover why understanding beats winning in difficult conversations Master the gentle art of “untangling” conflicts like delicate knots Transform your approach to heated discussions with dance-inspired wisdom Plus, we’re exploring powerful metaphors, practical conflict resolution techniques, and discovering how dance class mindsets can revolutionize difficult conversations! Perfect timing for those challenging holiday dinner discussions – it’s a masterclass in communication that brings grace and understanding to life’s toughest moments! Ready to change the conversation? Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: Read Changing the Conversation by Dana Caspersen Learn more about the Palm Desert Choreography Festival Listen to Spenser & Jermaine’s episode  Listen to our episode on Processing. For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok 

Stepping into the studio with power couple Harry Shum Jr. and Shelby Rabara:  How they both got started on Glee (and who was there first)  Bringing movement to life in their new children’s book ‘Martee Dares to Dance’ (available to order now!)  The secret language of dance that enhances their acting craft  How dance training can help you multitask Plus, we’re exploring impromptu dance demonstrations, trading stories about movement inspiring character work, and discovering how rhythm shows up in the most unexpected places! It’s a masterclass in artistic expression where dance meets storytelling, packed with laughs, live movements, and insider perspectives from two of entertainment’s most dynamic performers! Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: Connect with Harry on IG Connect with Shelby on IG Buy their book Martee Dares to Dance Listen to Gary Tacon’s episode Follow Models Doing Ballet Listen to Technique VS Style Listen to Gary Imhoff’s episode For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok  

Unpacking Leslie Grace’s career from ‘In The Heights’ newbie to seasoned performer: That life-changing debut in ‘In The Heights’ (still her most beautiful experience to date!) The art of ‘letting in’ whatever’s knocking (and why Meryl Streep always answers) Navigating feedback as a pro  Plus, we’re dishing on the unexpected joys of rehearsal pants, why pockets are essential for storing memories, and the delicate balance of embracing life’s contradictions in your work. It’s an acting masterclass from dead bug exercises to hanging upside down, filled with laughs, lessons, and insider tips you won’t find in any drama school! Watch the full episode here. Show Notes: Connect with Leslie on IG Listen to the In The Heights episode Listen to Jillian’s episode Watch the Jerky Boys Video For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok

The fullest couch I have ever had! From the convention ballroom, to boy band battles, to working with Beyoncé’s producer: our wildest episode yet! Join the Full Circle Boys as we spill ALL the tea on their journey from ‘convention kids with a dream’ to working with music industry legends: Studio sessions with Tricky Stewart (the genius behind Beyoncé, Rihanna, and more!) Their hilarious first show at an all-girls Catholic school (featuring Dawson’s epic jacket fail ) Which one of them is the Mariah Carey of the group? (Spoiler: James’s runs are ) ‘Boy Band this or that’ Who’s most likely to be late (but comes with snacks!) Plus, we’re dishing on the shock of going from ‘gentle claps’ to full-on fan frenzy, and why top producers are surprisingly humble. It’s a musical journey from Hansen to harmonies, packed with laughs, lessons, and exclusive music industry insights you won’t want to miss! Watch the full episode on YouTube! Show Notes: Follow the Full Circle Boys on IG  Listen to the Full Circle Boys Single “Call My Name”  N’SYNC at the Yankees World Series N’SYNC VMA 2000 Performance For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok 

Join host Dana Wilson as she interviews viral sensation Smac McCreanor on the Words That Move Me Podcast. With 2.8 million TikTok followers, 70+ commercials, and an exhibit at the National Gallery of Victoria, Smac discusses: Creating work you love by focusing on your strengths Behind-the-scenes of her popular series: #hydraulicpressgirl, #Ikea, and #emoji The importance of creating content for yourself first Career Tips for Dancers: Best practices for brand and influencer relationships Insights into Smac’s success across multiple platforms NEW SEGMENT: Australian Snack Olympics Dana tries Vegemite for the first time Ranking of favorite Australian snacks Discover how Smac McCreanor turned her unique talents into a thriving career spanning social media, commercials, and art exhibitions. Tune in for inspiration, laughter, and practical advice for aspiring performers and content creators! Watch the full episode on YouTube here. Show Notes: Follow Smac on IG Follow Smac on TikTok Read Smac’s New York Times article Listen to the Seaweed Sisters episode Watch the Seaweed Sisters work For more DANA For coaching with me, join the WTMM COMMUNITY  To donate to WTMM through our Fiscal Sponsor, THE DANCE RESOURCE CENTER To shop for GOODIES & SERVIES Watch and Subscribe on YOUTUBE  Stay connected with us on IG and TikTok