All Episodes

Storm Prayers: Finding your shelter in the chaos of life's storms

Ep. 122: Pastor Dale Dalman on Freeing Immigrants from the Detention Center

Thoughts on Pride Month

Ep. 121: Sex Before Marriage

Jesus' invitation from "Let go" to "Let Me" - 5 MIN FLIP 6/10/26

The gift of anxiety telling you that you need something you don't actually need - 5 MIN FLIP - 6/3/26

Toilet Hindquarters Protector Tissue Things - NOAH'S RANT!

Galileo the Heretic + the Actual Message of the Bible - The UnFragmented Bible, E4

Ep. 120: Ken Wytsma on The Sleep You're Longing For

Is the Bible Precise? - The UnFragmented Bible, Edition 3

Beauty, Magic, & Supernatural Everywhere! - 5 MIN FLIP - 4/23/26

Is Humans Riding Dinosaurs the Real Purpose of Genesis 1? - The UnFragmented Bible, Edition 2

Being Your True Self - 5 MIN FLIP - 4/8/26

Ep. 119 - Jalen Seawright of Common Hymnal on Justice, Limits, & Jesus' Kingdom

What the Bible Isn’t and What It Is - The UnFragmented Bible, Edition 1

(To all Flip Side audio podcast listeners)

The UnFragmented Bible PREVIEW - 5 MIN FLIP - 3/18/26

Ep. 118: William Mack on Soul Health & Pressure

AI talk show hosts discuss BTB's "How Fantasy Starves Your Reality"! - 5 MIN FLIP - 3/4/26

Surrender & Rest - Prayer Practice

Overcoming porn & uncontrollable thoughts - Beyond the Battle testimony

Ep. 117: Cynthia Beach on Gender Justice & Writing Serious Fiction

Ep. 116: Pastor Dale Dalman on Visiting the Midwest's Largest Immigration Detention Center

Are Evangelicals Bearing "Good Fruit"? - 5 MIN FLIP - 2/4/26

SANTA GUMDROP MERMAID MAN (That my wife bought at Hallmark) - Noah's Rant!

Nate's Beyond the Battle story of overcoming porn and finding emotional wholeness

Sabbatical Lessons Part 2: Saying No, People Pleasing, & Being Still - 5 MIN FLIP - 1/14/26

Sabbatical Lessons Part 1: Church & Community - 5 MIN FLIP - 1/7/26

#1 Top Podcast Episode of All Time...(on the Flip Side) - With New Lead-In!

#2 Top Podcast Episode of All Time...(on the Flip Side) - With New Lead-In!

#3 Top Podcast Episode of All Time...(on the Flip Side) - With New Lead-In!

#4 Top Podcast Episode of All Time...(on the Flip Side) - With New Lead-In!

#5 Top Podcast Episode of All Time...(on the Flip Side) - With New Lead-In!

NOAH'S RANT - Disney World!

"Everything is permissible for me!" (Really?...) - 5 MIN FLIP - 11/19/25

Ep. 115: Dr. Brent Sandy on the Authority of the Oral (Spoken) Tradition of the Bible

Presents or Presence? - 5 MIN FLIP - 11/5/25

Life & Podcast Update (Shout out to self-care & spiritual formation) - 5 MIN FLIP - 10/15/25

God's Gratuitous Beauty - 5 MIN FLIP - 9/18/25

Ep. 114: Why Do Bad Things Happen? (...if God is all-loving & all-powerful)

Phones & Technology - 5 MIN FLIP - 7/24/25

Life, This Moment, & Appreciating The Gift of Today - 5 MIN FLIP - 7/11/25

Consistency with Church & Groups - 5 MIN FLIP - 7/1/25

I Drove My Car into a Ditch - 5 MIN FLIP - 6/11/25

Control, Escape, Brokenness, Acceptance - 5 MIN FLIP - 6/3/25

Worry, Anxiety, Recovery, & Retraining the Brain to Embrace Reality - 5 MIN FLIP - 5/29/25

My ADHD Diagnosis - 5 MIN FLIP - 5/21/25

Beauty, Magic, & Supernatural Everywhere! - 5 MIN FLIP - 5/7/25

What Is Jesus Worthy Of? (in your life) - 5 MIN FLIP - 4/16/25

Ep. 113: Our Identity in Christ and the Crater Within

Jesus, Have Mercy on Me - 5 MIN FLIP - 3/14/25

Ep. 112: Pushing Pause on the Podcast

Ep. 111: Rev. Dr. Michael Carrion - Pastoral Thoughts on Mass Deportation and this Cultural Moment

Ep. 110: Dr. Ingrid Faro on Satan, Demons, and Evil

Immigrants & Refugees: Ep. 110a / 5-Min-Flip Hybrid

Ep. 109: Dr. Andrew Bauman on Guarding Against Sexism & Abuse in the Church

Be Content With What You Have BECAUSE... - 5 MIN FLIP - 1/8/2025

Takeaways from 3 1/2 years of Beyond the Battle Alumni Community - 5 MIN FLIP - 12/19/24

Releasing Control through Centering Prayer - 5 MIN FLIP - 12/13/24

Brokenness --> Gratitude --> Contentment Cycle - 5 MIN FLIP - 12/6/24

Ep.108: Anonymous Venezuelan Pastor on Ministry Amidst Oppression

Satan's "IF" - 5 MIN FLIP - 11/20/24

Ep. 107: Mark & Beth Denison on Betrayal Trauma

Ep. 106: Matthew Soerens on Understanding Immigration from a Biblical Perspective

Ep. 105: Katara Washington Patton on Depression, Anxiety, & Worry

Be Broken - 5 MIN FLIP - 10/2/24

Being A Light in the Darkness - 5 MIN FLIP - 9/27/24

Ep. 104: Pieter Valk on Singleness, Isolation, & Being in Community

Ep. 103: Dr. Sandy Richter on Old Testament Violence and how to read Judges & Deborah

Ep.102: Kristen Miele on Reclaiming Sex Education

Ep. 101: Sean Nemecek on Burnout, People Pleasing, & Soul Care

Ep. 100: Part 2 of Dr. David Turner on Christian Higher Education + Power & Politics at Cornerstone University

Ep. 99: Part 1 of Dr. David Turner on Christian Higher Education + Power & Politics at Cornerstone University

Ep. 98: Dr. Joy Skarka on Overcoming Porn & Finding Freedom from Shame

Ep. 97: Jalen Seawright of Common Hymnal on Worship & Justice

Thoughts on Pride Month - Ep. 97a / 5 MIN FLIP hybrid - 6/11/24

Invitation to Rest - 5 MIN FLIP - 6/5/24

The Epidemic of Division in the Church & Christian Cancel Culture - 5 MIN FLIP - 5/29/24

Ep. 96: Drew Boa on Overcoming Porn and the Trauma We All Carry

Contentment in Your Present Reality vs. The Stuckness of Depression - 5 MIN FLIP - 5/15/24

Ep. 95: Dr. Carol Tanksley on Spouses with Differing Levels of Sex Drive & Finding Sexual Wholeness

I Love Jesus, But Not the Church - 5 MIN FLIP - 4/24/24

Donald Trump's Bible & Christian Nationalism - 5 MIN FLIP - 3/30/24

Ep. 94: Preston Sprinkle on a Biblical Approach to American Politics

Instead of asking God for your requests, give Him your requests - 5 MIN FLIP - 3/19/24

Ep. 93: Revoice Executive Director Michelle Sanchez on Caring for LGBTQ+/SSA People Well and on Division in the Church

Deep Community is Essential to our Discipleship - 5 MIN FLIP - 2/20/24

Ep. 92: Ken Wytsma on Chronic Pain, Compassion Fatigue, and a Theology of Suffering

Don't Despise the Day of Small Things - 5 MIN FLIP - 1/22/24

Noah’s Rant: Puzzles!?

Ep. 91: Control & Hope Beyond Our Circumstances

Advent Hope Beyond Our Circumstances - 5 MIN FLIP - Dec. 2nd, 2023

Ep. 90: Juanita Rasmus on Learning to Live in the Unmerited Love of God

Jesus: ”I made this for you, Noah. Do you like it? Is it enough?” - 5 MIN FLIP - 10/28/23

Ep. 89: Four Church Planters Talk Candidly About Church Health

Where does Jesus need to become greater? - 5 MIN FLIP - 10/7/23

Ep. 88: Crystal Renaud Day on helping women overcome pornography addiction

Jesus invites you to sit with him in his sorrow - 5 MIN FLIP - 9/25/23

Ep. 87: Dr. Peter Sung on the Post-Church Church

Ep. 86: Cameron Horner on Disability in the Church and if God Still Heals

Car Wash - NOAH’S RANT

More Thoughts on Deconstruction - 5 Min. Flip - 9/1/23

Ep. 85: Dr. Terence Lester on how confronting buried racial history can build racial solidarity

Ep. 84: Drs. Glenn Bracey & Michael Emerson on the Religion of Whiteness

Ep. 83: Interview with Alan Noble on Suffering, Depression, and Getting Out of Bed

Ep. 82: Chase & Noah on Tongues, Being Slain in the Spirit, Baptism of the Holy Spirit, & Anointing Oil

NOAH’S RANT - Fruits & Vegetables

Deconstruction & 3 things that kept me in my faith - 5 MIN FLIP - 6/7/23

Ep. 81: Unpacking Purity Culture

How Porn is a Perversion of God’s Gift of Intimacy - 5 MIN FLIP - 5/26/23

How to do Kingdom work right where you are - 5 MIN FLIP - 5/23/23

NOAH’S RANT - Flying!

Ep. 80: Greg Coles is back! Can we love LGBTQ+ people & hold a traditional biblical view of sex and marriage?

Money - 5 MIN. FLIP - 4/28/23

Ep. 79: Single, Celibate, Gay Christian Greg Coles on sexual ethics in the Church

A Non-Guru’s Guide to Solitude & Silence - 5 Min. Flip - 3/27/23

Ep. 78 (copy) Ep. 78: The Flip Side Goes On Sabbatical

Ep. 78: The Flip Side Goes On Sabbatical

Hope in a Hopeless World - 5 Minute Flip - 2/17/23

Thoughts on ”He Gets Us” TV Ads - 5 Min. Flip - 2/16/23

If Jesus Is Your King... - 5 Minute Flip - 1/31/23

Ep. 77: How to Stop Looking at Porn

Reflections on Turning 40 - FIVE MIN FLIP - January 10th, 2023

Ep. 76: Mark Denison on Sexual Addiction Recovery

Learning Beyond our Tribes - 5 MIN FLIP - Dec. 17th, 2022

Ep. 75: Michelle Sanchez on Color Courageous Discipleship

Tell the Truth - 5 MIN FLIP - Dec. 2, 2022

Ep. 74: Laura Tarro on planting a church as a woman pastor

Suicide - 5 MIN FLIP - Nov. 25th, 2022

Ep. 73: Interview with Ron Sandison on incorporating those with autism into the life of the Church

E72: Noah & Chase discuss if the sign gifts (healing, tongues, prophecy, miracles) are still active

Ep. 71: American Christianity vs. Rag Tag Jesus-Following

God is Slow (Continued...) - 5 Minute Flip

God is Slow 2.0 - 5 Minute Flip

Ep. 70: Eternity & Evangelism

Ep. 69: Pastor Jack and Becky Sytsema on being in a mixed orientation marriage and how the Church should treat LGBTQ+ people

ADDICTION - 5 Min. Flip August 6th, 2022

True intimacy is found in God’s love for us, not sex or lust - Psalm 131 - 5 MIN FLIP

Ep. 68: Thoughts on Hillsong Exposed, The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill, & Willow Creek

Ep. 67: Pastor Jack Sytsema Shares About Experiencing Same-Sex Attraction in a Mixed Orientation Marriage

Ep. 66: Abortion and Gun Control

Ep. 65: The Flip Side #65: Noah and Chase discuss capitalism, solutions to racial injustice, & Patrick Lyoya

5.3.22 What are you chasing? Where does it feel like you aren’t enough? 5 MIN FLIP

4.29.22 5 Min. Flip - Raw thoughts about money and loving the poor

Ep. 64: Interview with Dr. Robert Chao Romero on five centuries of Latina/o social justice, theology, and identity

Ep. 63: Noah’s Story Part 3: Racial Justice

5 MIN FLIP - Friendship with Jesus; complete happiness in his love - 3/11/22

5 MIN FLIP - Depression (Continued...) - March 7, 2022

Ep. 62 Noah’s Story Part 2: Depression

5 MIN FLIP - God is our refuge and strength!

5 MINUTE FLIP - Rest

Ep. 61 - Convo about how to break free from porn with Matt Dobschuetz of Porn Free Radio

5 MINUTE FLIP - Feb. 1st, 2022 - Why Christianity often becomes going through the motions.

5 MINUTE FLIP - Jan 21st - You are so loved by our Father as his son/daughter

5 Minute Flip - January 17th, 2022 - Martin Luther King Day

5 Minute Flip - January 13th, 2022

Ep. 60: Noah’s Story Part 1: Porn & Sex

Ep. 59: The Flip Side Christmas Special!

Ep. 58: Interview with Rob Dixon on Men and Women in Ministry Partnership

Ep. 57: Chase & Noah talk Critical Race Theory, White Privilege, & White Supremacy (is that enough buzzwords for you?)

Ep. 56: You Are Human

Ep. 55: Conversation with Co-Host Chase Stancle about Gentrification and Redlining

Ep. 54: What has God put on your heart to do?

Ep. 53: There's Always More

Ep. 52: Interview with Nate Collins on loving LGBT people well while being faithful to Scripture + the PCA's Overture 23 decision

Ep. 51: Interview with Terence Lester on doing justice ministry and being in proximity with the marginalized

The big 50th episode! An absurd 5-hour Noah's Rant marathon

Ep. 49: The Sex Episode

Ep.48: Interview with Sam and Tova Jones on Marriage and Singleness

Ep. 47: Interview with Kevin Butcher on Finding Freedom from "Try Harder" Christianity

Ep. 46: Interview with Todd Wilson on the Enneagram and Healthy Leadership

Ep. 45: Interview with Nate Larkin on recovering from a life of sexual addiction and finding the path of vulnerability and grace

Ep. 44: Satisfying our unending appetite of insecurity with the unending love of our Father

Ep. 43: Interview with Laurie Krieg on what a mixed-orientation marriage can teach us about love and the gospel

Ep. 42: Interview with Preston Sprinkle on transgender identities, the Church, and what the Bible has to say

Ep. 41: Interview with Wesley Hill on Covenant Friendships as a Biblical Path of Love for Celibate Gay Christians

Ep. 40: The 2020 Podcast Year in Review

Ep. 39: Interview with Mike Wittmer on the Bible, theology, and how to not leave your faith over conflicts with science and archaeology

Ep. 38: Jesus' Love for the Outcast & how this Grace Transforms Each of Us

Ep. 37: Jesus bringing great calm to great chaos + new Flip Side book club exploring gay celibate partnerships with Wesley Hill

Ep. 36: Interview with David Swanson on Rediscipling the White Church: From Cheap Diversity to True Solidarity

Ep. 35: Interview with Kevin DeVries on going from a millionaire to homeless, finding wholeness from brokenness + dying for 15 minutes and seeing the Risen Christ

Ep. 34: Interview with Todd A. Wilson on a biblical theology for sex, marriage, and LGBTQ+ issues

Ep. 33: How to Talk About Politics and Polarizing Issues (Part 2)

Ep. 32: Interview with Preston Sprinkle on how to talk about politics & polarizing issues

Ep. 31: Interview with Patrick Filipiak on why he thinks you should get rid of Facebook

Ep. 30: George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, Police Brutality, Riots, Racism, the Church

Ep. 29: Why do bad things happen to good people?

Ep. 28: Brooks Hall, '99 Mr. Ohio Basketball, University of Dayton star, on giving his life to Jesus

Ep. 27: Finding Solid Ground in the Midst of a COVID-19 World

Ep. 26, Interview with Nick Stumbo: Going from a pastor looking at porn to Director of Pure Desire Ministries, helping others find freedom

Ep. 25 How the love we have from the Father, through Jesus is the antidote to our longings for acceptance, validation, and wholeness

Ep. 24, Interview with Tyler St. Clair on dealing with the grind and insecurity of pastoring + race & the Church

Ep. 23: State of the Podcast + How to Live for Christ in this Messed Up World

Ep. 22: Trying to fill the hole inside of us & what to do with our brokenness

Ep. 21: Depression, Elf on a Shelf, and get $1 every time Noah says "like"

Ep. 20: Interview with Jason Redoutey on Vulnerability and Grace Overcoming Shame and Addiction

Ep. 19: The Flip Side is BACK! Topic: The Right Kind of Blindness

Ep. 18: A Flip Side Update + interview with Damon Seacott on being single and celibate in the Church today

Ep. 17: Noah's sermon on the Prodigal Son

Ep. 16: Noah's Sermon, Beyond the Sexual Purity Battle

Ep. 15 (77) How an urban, multi-ethnic church planter ended up in Middleville and working at a suburban megachurch

Ep. 14 (76), Bonus Episode: Noah's sermon titled "When Your Hope is in the Best Thing," 1 Peter 1:3-12

Ep. 13 (or 75) Community as Step 2 of the Father's Love Healing Our Shame

Ep. 12 (74) Carrying Your Cross as the Antidote for the Never-Ending Cycle of Seeking Approval

Ep. 11 (or 73) Interview with Kevin Butcher on shame, suicide, when God doesn’t heal us, suffering, ministry burnout, & the Father's love

Ep. 10 (or 72) (Looking at all the facets of...) David Platt Prays for Donald Trump on the stage of a worship service

Ep. 9 (71), The Poverty Gospel vs. The Prosperity Gospel

Ep 8 (or 70) Catch-Up Episode!

Ep 7 (or 69) Noah interviews Troy High School classmate Matthew Thornton on following Jesus after a life of "Sex, Drugs, and Rock & Roll"

Ep. 6 (or 68) The debate around if Game of Thrones is porn or not

Ep. 5 (or 67) The Lord's Prayer, books, and being on hold

Ep. 4 (or 66) Shame: What Does God Think of Me? + Superman is the lamest superhero

#3 (or 65) The Enneagram, Attraction vs. Lust

#2 (or #64) Lent, Masturbation, and Folgers

#1 (or #63) - The Flip Side Pilot - Health and Wealth Theology / Prosperity Gospel

(2/6/19) Episode 12 (or 62): The Best Thing

(1/1/19) Episode 11: When Should You Tell Your Wife About Your Porn Problem

(12/7/18) Episode 10: Interview with Damon Seacott on choosing a life of singleness and celibacy

(11/1/18) Episode 9: Why Most Accountability Doesn't Work + The Importance of Both Wings of God's Airplane (Judgment & Mercy)

Episode 8: What does the Bible mean by "One Flesh" as God's design for sex?

(9/18/18) Episode 7: Singleness & How to Spend Daily Rhythm Time with Jesus

(8/22/18) Episode 6: Tools + fresh off the presses: BEYONDTHEBATTLE.NET !

(7/22/18) Episode 5: Embracing Reality

(6/27/18) Episode 4: God's Recipe, Premarital Sex, New Audiobook!

(5/31/18) Episode 3: Objectification - The Dehumanization of Women

(5/8/18) Episode 2: Golden Gods with Golden Hair

(4/26/18) Episode 1: Entitlement is Your Worst Enemy

(10/16/18) THE FINAL EPISODE: Noah's new job, pornography, Does God hate people?

(8/25/18) Episode 8: Perseverance of the Saints & Partnerships Over Planting in African American Communities

(7/31/18) EPISODE 7: IRRESISTIBLE GRACE & SHOULD BLACK PEOPLE GO TO WHITE CHURCHES?

(7/10/18) Episode 6: Limited Atonement & Cultural Appropriation

(6/22/18) Episode 5: Worship Style & Racism! Spray painted N-Words! Ferguson! Abortion! Jeff Sessions! Romans 13! Immigration! Limited Atonement???

(6/7/18) Episode 4: Unconditional Election, God's skin color, Steve Kerr, and megachurches

(5/23/18) Episode 3: Dr. James Cone's Black Liberation Theology

(5/2/19) Episode 2: Total Depravity & The Starbucks Arrests

(4/19/18) EPISODE 1 (or 42): THEOLOGY PREVIEW & ROCHESTER HILLS SHOOTING

Episode 41: the final episode + 2 new podcasts from Noah

Episode 40 - Hip hop artist James Gardin on insecurity, overcoming rejection, and using parables

Episode 39 - Tyler St. Clair (the sequel) on real life church planting in Detroit + the Contend Conference

Episode 38 - Kent Carlson discusses shifting the church he founded from a seeker-driven megachurch to a church of spiritual formation

BONUS Episode - Noah Filipiak breaks down his new book "Beyond the Battle"

Episode 37: Dr. Mike Wittmer on the effects Christian celebrityism is having on the Church at large

Episode 36: Dr. John Perkins on the need for multi-ethnic churches as a key solution to race relations

Ep. 35: Rory Noland on leading worship, experiencing God, and spiritual transformation

Ep. 34: David Staal on Personal Presence, Transforming Community, & Bringing Hope

Ep. 32: Authors Sarah Arthur & Erin Wasinger on their year of living out radical faith in ordinary contexts, Pinterest Fails & the American Dream

Doug Logan, Pastor & Author - Episode 31 - On Missions, Urban Ministry & following ALL of the Great Commission

Bryan Loritts, Pastor & Author - Episode 30 - On Multi-Ethnic Church, Ministry Leadership & Identity in Christ

Shane Claiborne, Author & Activist - Episode 29 - on the death penalty, celebrityism as idolatry, speaking the truth in love, and how to engage in being an ordinary radical in marriage

Noel Castellanos, CEO of the CCDA - Episode 28 - on living incarnationally among the poor, what's missing from the American Gospel and how to persevere in the thick of ministry despair

Matthew Soerens of World Relief - Episode 27 - on a biblical response to illegal immigration and Muslim refugees (with poetry by Jacob Mau)

Grace Fox, author - Episode 26 - on industry pressure to make ourselves big when the Bible tells us Jesus must increase and we decrease

Chris McKenna, Covenant Eyes - Episode 25 - On staying pure with new technology, Instagram and how he conquered a porn addiction

Zack Eswine, 2016 CT Book of the Year winner - Episode 24 - on Pastoring and how "Large, Famous & Fast" were not Values of Jesus's

Joseph Bataille, Haiti Country Director for World Relief - Episode 23 - on breaking patterns of dependency, helpful and hurtful ways of helping, and how to avoid compassion fatigue

Derek Webb, musician - Episode 22 - On people walking out of concerts, agitating people with truth and the necessity of having real friends we can be vulnerable with

Senator Todd Weiler - Episode 21 - on Utah's Resolution SCR9 making pornography a public health crisis

Dennis Hammond - Episode 20 - on being raised in inner city Lansing, finding Christ and going to Honduras

Sarah Arthur, Author - Episode 19 - on spiritually healthy ways of measuring success

Shawn Lovejoy, Author - Episode 18 - On workaholism, focusing on God's success measurements in spite of the pressures of Christian culture, and on leaving the megachurch he planted

Tyler St. Clair, Detroit church planter - Episode 17 - on being real about ministry in the hood, fundraising as a black man and why the Church shouldn't hoard its resources in the suburbs

Andrew Maxwell, 2012 Michigan State University starting QB - Episode 16 - on being benched, hate-filled tweets, NFL tryouts and identity in Christ

Jeremy Dowsett, "Failed" Church Planter - Episode 15 - on the flaws in Evangelical Protestantism and the freedom in gospel discovered apart from church planting

Tom and Sandi Blaylock, authors of "Marriage on Mission" - Episode 14 - on how ministry can become a mistress to a marriage

Susie Finkbeiner, Novelist - Episode 13 - on Exhaustion, Superficiality, Politics and Staying Grounded

Ruth Haley Barton, spiritual formation author - Episode 12 - on Performance-Oriented Drivenness, Ego, Pace, Soul & Spiritual Transformation

Josiah Price, Record breaking TE for the #4 Michigan State Spartans - Episode 11 - on the temptations college football players face, the pressure put on by fans and how he stays grounded

Noel Heikkinen - Episode 10 - On Anxiety, Avoiding Burnout & Guarding Against Ego and Sexual Sin

Luke Gilkerson - Episode 9, Why do pastors look at porn and have affairs? - “Behind the Curtain” Ministry Podcast

Chris Pruett - Episode 8 - “Behind the Curtain” Ministry Podcast

Zachary Bartels - Episode 7 - "Behind the Curtain" Ministry Podcast

Jessa Anderson - Episode 6 - “Behind the Curtain” Ministry Podcast

David Singleton - Episode 5 - "Behind the Curtain" Ministry Podcast

Chris Lockemy - Episode 4 - "Behind the Curtain" Ministry Podcast

Mike Morter - Episode 3 - "Behind the Curtain" Ministry Podcast

Ted Kluck - Episode 2 - “Behind the Curtain” Ministry Podcast

Ken Wytsma - Episode 1 - "Behind the Curtain" Ministry Podcast