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“The venture bets are much more serious. The venture bets…” — The Knowledge Project at 39:38

“The venture bets are much more serious. The venture bets are 10 plus million. And then for the venture bets, they're more serious for us because that's when we get really involved in companies. Like that's when they form a board of directors and we have, you know, somebody who goes to the board. We tend to really…”

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