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“And for, and there's some people where that stuff is…” — Y Combinator Startup Podcast at 22:51

“And for, and there's some people where that stuff is great. Like, right. It's just, it's not, you have to be technically a programmer. Like there's all these like boxes and filters you have to pass through to think to yourself, I'm going to work on developer orchestration. You know, this is my passion.”

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