“when we were talking about this episode, I am Team Cecil.…” — TV Podcast Industries at 5:52
“when we were talking about this episode, I am Team Cecil. I see the practicality and the pragmatism, I suppose, a little bit more in Cecil, and he does try to explain himself. I think there's an optimism that's there in Mark, and it would be great if the world worked like that, but when you're facing threats from all…”
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