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“Did anybody ever ask for equity? Yeah, we've had from time…” — The Knowledge Project at 56:28

“Did anybody ever ask for equity? Yeah, we've had from time to time, there's been that discussion and I face it head on and say, look, family companies are great to work for and we're going to pay you well and you're going to feel very comfortable here, but there's no equity available. And too complicated with the…”

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