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“But in a meeting, when someone comes up with this idea…” — The Knowledge Project at 55:27

“But in a meeting, when someone comes up with this idea that might not work, you cut their head off and say, that's a dumb idea. It's like, okay, what we're modeling and signaling is not in alignment with what the standards and the norms are. So I think number one is to, okay, what standards do you want? And what are…”

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