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Consider This
by Sunnybrook Christian Church
Consider This is a podcast that explores various topics from the perspectives of the ministry staff at Sunnybrook Christian Church in Stillwater, Oklahoma. These episodes reflect some of the behind-the-scenes conversations where transparency, humor and theology intersect.
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CT 209 - God Dwells with Sinful and Afflicted People
This week on Consider This, Justin Ebert and Ryan Vincent discuss 1 Kings 4–22 and 2 Corinthians 1–7. They explore Solomon’s wisdom, temple-building, glory, and tragic compromise; Elijah’s confrontation with Baal and his discouragement after Mount Carmel; and Paul’s vision of suffering, comfort, weakness, reconciliation, and godly repentance.
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CT 208 - Head Coverings, Tongues, and a Sinful Census
In this episode of Consider This, Justin Ebert is joined by Drew Moss and Ryan Vincent to discuss this week’s readings from 2 Samuel 16–1 Kings 3 and 1 Corinthians 9–16. Together, they explore David’s final years, the sin of the census, Solomon’s request for wisdom, Paul’s call to become all things to all people, questions about head coverings and spiritual gifts, the hope of resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15, and what it means to live with both courage and love as followers of Jesus.
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CT 207 Failed Kings, Christian Leaders, and Gospel Freedom
This week on *Consider This*, Justin Ebert is joined by Jim Johnson and Morgan Weece to discuss 2 Samuel 1–15 and 1 Corinthians 1–8. The conversation explores some of the most important and challenging moments in David’s story, including the death of Uzzah, David’s zeal before the Lord, the significance of the Davidic covenant, and the devastating sin of David and Bathsheba. Along the way, they reflect on what these passages reveal about the holiness of God, the danger of sin, the weight of its consequences, and the shape of true repentance. Then they turn to 1 Corinthians and consider Paul’s emphasis on Christ crucified, the wisdom that comes from the Spirit, the calling and responsibility of church leaders, the seriousness of church discipline, the meaning of sexual holiness, and the practical challenges of marriage, singleness, and Christian freedom. The episode closes by considering how believers today can pursue faithfulness, wisdom, and love in the life of the church.
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CT 206 Witches, Ghosts, and Big Questions from Romans
Hello, and welcome to another episode of Consider This. My name is Justin Ebert, and I’m joined in the studio today by Ryan Vincent and Drew Moss. We all serve at Sunnybrook Christian Church in Stillwater, Oklahoma, and in 2026 we’re reading through the entire Bible together. This podcast series is meant to take a look at interesting questions that arise from the text. This week’s readings come from 1 Samuel 11-31 and Romans 7-16. We’ll be discussing evil spirits sent by God, witches, ghosts, and completely solving all the biggest questions that arise from the book of Romans… well, maybe not all of them and maybe not completely… We hope this conversation helps you lean in, think deeply, and grow in your delight in God’s Word. Enjoy.
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CT 205 - The Gospel of Ruth, Samuel, and Paul
This week on Consider This, Justin Ebert is joined by Jim Johnson and Drew Moss to discuss Ruth 1–4, 1 Samuel 1–10, and Romans 1–6. The conversation begins in Ruth, exploring the historical and cultural background of the book, the significance of Ruth as a Moabite, the themes of faithfulness and redemption, and the many ways this story points ahead to Jesus and the gospel. Then, in 1 Samuel, they look at the spiritual condition of Israel, the failure of its leaders, the significance of Hannah, Samuel, and Saul, and the reasons Israel demanded a king—along with what these chapters reveal about God’s kingship and the coming of a greater King. Finally, the guys discuss how the Gospel is the power of God. Links: -BibleProject on Ruth: https://bibleproject.com/guides/book-of-ruth/ -BibleProject on Samuel: https://bibleproject.com/guides/books-of-samuel/ -BibleProject on Romans: https://bibleproject.com/guides/book-of-romans/ -OCC NEXT Level on Romans: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAhFi-fpiIJ0ir0QyYVaoAtmU7pzVFVFj
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CT 204 Foolish Vows and Mysterious Endings
CT 204 Foolish Vows and Mysterious Endings by Sunnybrook Christian Church
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CT 203 - Did God Die?
This week on Consider This, Justin Ebert is joined by Jim Johnson and Ryan Vincent to discuss Joshua 19–24, Judges 1–8, and Mark 14–15. The conversation highlights the closing chapters of Joshua, the importance of covenant faithfulness, and the transition into the chaotic world of Judges. Along the way, they explore key background for reading Judges well and how the book points beyond itself to the need for a greater Deliverer. Then, in Mark 14–15, they reflect on Jesus’ prayer in Gethsemane, His testimony before the high priest, and the mystery of the cross—asking what it means for the Son to submit to the Father’s will, whether Jesus is making a claim to divinity, and what is happening within the Trinity in the moment of crucifixion. Understanding Judges from BibleProject: https://bibleproject.com/guides/book-of-judges/ 3-Part Women in Ministry Podcast: (1) https://on.soundcloud.com/kGvS8B6rWmOBpSFYWh (2) https://on.soundcloud.com/7gSeOvl3HAZoWmKg4L (3) https://on.soundcloud.com/55bfr6mUMTf4EcvaBY Position Paper from Sunnybrook on Women in Ministry: https://s3.amazonaws.com/media.cloversites.com/96/96421863-a40d-42a3-bd45-984e10ae9a7b/documents/Our_Beliefs_About_Women_in_Ministry.pdf
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CT 202 The Israelite Conquest and Mark 13
This week on Consider This, Justin Ebert sits down with Jack Merrill and Ryan Vincent to explore Joshua 1–18 and Mark 13. They discuss Joshua’s call to courage, the Israelite conquest, and the objections many have about God from this narrative. In Mark 13, the conversation turns to Jesus’ Olivet Discourse, His warnings about coming judgment, and the call for His followers to remain faithful and alert. Additional Resources: https://bibleproject.com/guides/book-of-joshua/ https://a.co/d/085dtkgU https://store.thegospelcoalition.org/product/9780578462011/evangelism-as-exiles-paperback
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CT 201 Stoning Kids and Fruitless Trees
This week on Consider This, Justin Ebert sits down with Morgan Weece and Ryan Vincent to explore Deuteronomy 18–34 and Mark 11–12. From the promise of a prophet like Moses to Moses’ final blessing and death, they unpack the closing chapters of Deuteronomy and their significance. In Mark, they will break down questions that arise from Jesus flipping tables in the temple, the cursing of the fig tree, and sacrificial living. Additional Resources: https://bibleproject.com/guides/book-of-deuteronomy/ https://bibleproject.com/guides/book-of-mark/
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CT 200 Transfigured Jesus and the Law
This week on Consider This, Justin Ebert sits down with Alec Sheets and Drew Moss to explore Deuteronomy 1–17 and Mark 9–10. Together they discuss Moses’ call for Israel to remember God’s faithfulness and love Him with all their heart, soul, and strength, along with key instructions about worship, leadership, and covenant faithfulness. In Mark, the conversation turns to the transfiguration and Jesus’ teaching on service and greatness. Additional resources: https://bibleproject.com/guides/book-of-deuteronomy/ https://bibleproject.com/guides/book-of-mark/
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CT 199 - Firey Snakes and the Cross
This week on Consider This, Justin Ebert sits down with Ryan Vincent and Drew Henderson to explore Numbers 21–36 and Mark 7–8. From the bronze serpent and Balaam’s troubling story to the purpose of the cities of refuge, we unpack the theology and tension of Israel’s journey. In Mark, we wrestle with Jesus’ warnings about tradition and the heart, Jesus' gradual healing, and what it really means to take up our cross.
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CT 198 - The Gospel in the Wilderness
This week on Consider This, Justin Ebert is joined by Ryan Vincent and Drew Moss to discuss Numbers 1–20 and Mark 5–6. Together, they explore the purpose and themes of Numbers, Israel’s cycles of complaint and rebellion, the priestly blessing, divine impassibility, tithing, and Moses striking the rock. In Mark, the conversation turns to Jesus walking on water, and the moments in Christ’s ministry that most astonish us.
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CT 197 - Tattoos, Sex, and the Unforgivable Sin
Justin Ebert is back in the studio with Jim Johnson and Ryan Vincent for Week 7 of the Year Through the Bible reading plan at Sunnybrook, diving into Leviticus 16–27 and Mark 3–4. Together they wrestle with the passages many readers avoid or misunderstand: Is Leviticus a burden or was it a gift of grace, order, and revelation to God’s people? What does atonement really mean, and how does the Day of Atonement prepare us for the cross of Christ? They tackle the often-debated tattoo verse, explore God’s sexual ethic and why biblical boundaries are framed as blessing rather than restriction, and address common objections about “Jesus never said…” The conversation also probes the tension between “eye for eye” and “turn the other cheek,” the meaning of “forever” in covenant language, and the sobering warnings about blasphemy and the unforgivable sin.
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CT 196 Why We Shouldn’t Skip Leviticus
Justin Ebert sits down with Ryan Vincent and Drew Moss for a wide-ranging conversation based on Leviticus 1-15 and Mark 1-2. They discuss if and how the ancient laws still matter for Christian readers today. Together they explore overlooked details and surprising connections: clean and unclean, sin and holiness, blood and fat, animals and childbirth laws—and what all of it reveals about God’s view of life, worship, and atonement. The discussion then shifts into Mark’s fast-paced Gospel: why everything feels so urgent, why Jesus silences demons and healed people, how Mark 1 echoes Leviticus 13–14, and what Jesus is saying when he heals with a touch and sends a man to the priests. The episode closes by unpacking Jesus’ images of patchwork cloth and wineskins—and why fasting doesn’t fit when the Bridegroom is present. A conversation about depth, beauty, and the surprising unity of Scripture. Bible Project Videos On Holiness - https://bibleproject.com/videos/holiness/ On Sacrifices - https://bibleproject.com/videos/sacrifice-and-atonement/ On Leviticus - https://bibleproject.com/videos/leviticus/ On Mark - https://bibleproject.com/videos/mark/
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CT 195 The Death and Dwelling of God
In this episode, Justin Ebert sits down with Drew Moss and Rachel Ritchie to reflect on Exodus 24-40 and John 18-21. They discuss John’s account of Jesus’ crucifixion and resurrection, asking how we can keep from becoming numb to the cross. They explore the rich connections between John’s passion narrative and Exodus. Finally, they examine key moments in Exodus involving the tabernacle, Sabbath, and golden calf, asking what these chapters teach us about God’s character, His desire to dwell with His people, and what that means for the church today.
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CT 194 On Misreading God
In this episode, Justin Ebert sits down with Jim Johnson and Ryan Vincent to explore major questions emerging from Exodus 6–23 and John 13–17. Together they examine what it actually means to love Jesus and how faith, grace, and obedience relate, wrestle with the purpose and ongoing relevance of the Old Testament Law, and consider why some people read the same Bible and walk away with radically different views of God. Ep. 166 - Does Sunnybrook Take Communion Too Often? https://soundcloud.com/considerthisquestion/ct-166-communion-session Ep. 167 - Why You Shouldn’t Take Communion https://soundcloud.com/considerthisquestion/ct-167-communion-pt-ii-session Bible Project - Exodus 1-18 Summary https://bibleproject.com/videos/exodus-1-18/ Bible Project - Exodus 19-40 Summary https://bibleproject.com/videos/exodus-19-40/
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CT 193 Why Did Jesus Cry?
In this episode, Justin Ebert sits down with Ryan Vincent and Drew Moss to explore the rich and complicated questions rising from Genesis 35–50, Exodus 1–5, and John 9–12. How do we discern whether dreams are from God or just our brains firing at night? Why does Jesus weep if his plan was always to raise Lazarus from the dead? What did the patriarchs actually believe about death and the afterlife? And why do miracles in Scripture so often fail to produce genuine faith? Along the way, the conversation touches on God’s purpose in delayed rescue, the mystery of sovereignty and responsibility in the stories of Joseph, Pharaoh, and Judas, and favorite moments from this week’s reading.
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CT 192 Why Did Jesus Lie?
In this episode, Justin Ebert sits down with Jim Johnson and Drew Moss to discuss some of the big questions emerging from Genesis 15-34 and John 5-8. How do faith, grace, and obedience actually relate to one another? What do we do with the morally messy stories in Genesis - are they mean to prescribe behavior or simply describe human brokenness? How do we make sense of god "appearing" to people when the New Testament says no one has seen God? And what is Jesus really claiming when he says provocative things like "Eat my flesh" and "Before Abraham was, I am"?
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CT 191 Is Jesus Really God and Can Christians Drink Wine?
In this episode, Justin Ebert sits down with Ryan Vincent to discuss John 1-4. They discussed the importance of John’s introduction and connecting Jesus with the triune God. They also take time to discuss how the character of Jesus doesn’t always line up with the caricature that modern people use to describe him. They also discuss whether or not Christians can partake in things like alcohol. Additional Resources https://bibleproject.com/guides/book-of-john/ htttp://sunnybrookcc.org/bible
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CT 190 Why Would a Good God Flood the World?
In this episode, Justin Ebert sits down with Ryan Vincent and Drew Moss to discuss some of the big questions from Genesis 3-11. Are we reading into the text by seeing the Trinity in Genesis? Did God really flood the whole world? Was God just being mean or gracious by destroying those people? Who are the Nephilim? And what does the tower of Babel have to do with the rest of the Bible? Additional Resources Delighting in the Trinity: An Introduction to the Christian Faith https://a.co/d/6hkpN1Z Year Through the Bible web page www.sunnybrookcc.org/bible Sunnybrook Genesis Study: sunnybrookcc.org/media/genesis-study Bible Project on the book of Genesis: bibleproject.com/guides/book-of-genesis/
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CT 189 Can You Be a Christian and Be Wrong About Genesis?
In this episode, Justin Ebert sits down with Ryan Vincent and Drew Moss to discuss some of the big questions in the early parts of Genesis. There are a lot of them! They will discuss why some of our modern questions aren’t the right questions to be asking and help remind us of what is truly essential to take away from these introductory chapters. Additional Resources: Year Through the Bible web page http://www.sunnybrookcc.org/bible Sunnybrook Genesis Study: https://sunnybrookcc.org/media/genesis-study Bible Project on the book of Genesis: https://bibleproject.com/guides/book-of-genesis/
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188 Bible Reading is Intimidating and Risky (and Why You Should Do It Anyway)
Justin sits down with Drew and Ryan for an honest, practical conversation about reading the whole Bible—especially for those who have never done it or don’t even like reading. They share when they first made it through all of Scripture, and the early questions and “problem passages” that rattled them. From there, they explore why Christians should read the Bible at all, why it matters to read it together in 2026, and why we think every believer—not just pastors—should be engaging the text for themselves, even while acknowledging the real dangers and the need for training and community.
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187 Where Have We Been and Where are We Going?
After a two-year hiatus, Justin returns to the podcasting studio for a relaunch of thoughtful discussions with the staff at Sunnybrook. In this episode, he sits down with Jim and Ryan to reflect on where the church has been, where it’s going, and how Consider This will chart a new path in 2026.
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186 (Rebroadcast of 126) Christianity & Politics
Recorded 3 years ago, this episode remains particularly relevant during this election year.
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185 (Rebroadcast of Episode 22) Christianity and Politics: How Should We Engage?
We recorded this 7 years ago and it remains as relevant today as then. Now that we are entering the presidential election cycle it seemed good to rebroadcast this particular episode as a good reminder of how to engage politics as citizens of the kingdom.
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184 - Preaching Jesus from the OT (Rebroadcast)
184 - Preaching Jesus from the OT (Rebroadcast) by Sunnybrook Christian Church
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183 (Rebroadcast) How Important is it to go to Church
183 (Rebroadcast) How Important is it to go to Church by Sunnybrook Christian Church
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182 (Rebroadcast) The Benefits and Perils of Online Church
182 (Rebroadcast) The Benefits and Perils of Online Church by Sunnybrook Christian Church
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181 - Why Doesn't Sunnybrook Offer an Online Community?
Ryan, Jim and Drew H discuss everything from cassettes in the 80s to the use of AI in a church context.
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180 - Do You Need Training to be a Minister or Missionary?
Jim, Drew M, and Justin discuss training/preparation for both the mission field and vocational church ministry and what Sunnybrook is doing to train people for the work of the church.
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179 - The struggle to stop bad habits and start good ones
In our first podcast of 2024, Steve discusses New Year's resolutions, stopping bad (unhealthy) habits and what it takes to start new ones from a Christian perspective.
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CT 178 - A Christian Perspective on "The Land Between the River and the Sea"
CT 178 - A Christian Perspective on "The Land Between the River and the Sea" by Sunnybrook Christian Church
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CT 177 - A Deep Dive into John 1, Logos and Cultural Christianity
CT 177 - A Deep Dive into John 1, Logos and Cultural Christianity by Sunnybrook Christian Church
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176 - A Deep Dive into Jeremiah and Isaiah
176 - A Deep Dive into Jeremiah and Isaiah by Sunnybrook Christian Church
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175 - A Deep Dive into 1 Kings 8 & 9 (God's Presence)
175 - A Deep Dive into 1 Kings 8 & 9 (God's Presence) by Sunnybrook Christian Church
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174 - A Deep Dive into 2 Sam 7 (The Davidic Covenant)
174 - A Deep Dive into 2 Sam 7 (The Davidic Covenant) by Sunnybrook Christian Church
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173 A Deep Dive into Exodus 22 - The 10 Commandments
173 A Deep Dive into Exodus 22 - The 10 Commandments by Sunnybrook Christian Church
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172 - A Deep Dive into Genesis 22 (The *almost* Sacrifice of Isaac)
Technical note: Drew Henderson's mic has a lot of the room sound in it until about 10 minutes in, after which it clears up. thanks for your patience!
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171 - A Deep Dive into Genesis 3-11
171 - A Deep Dive into Genesis 3-11 by Sunnybrook Christian Church
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170 - A Deep Dive into Genesis 1 - 2
170 - A Deep Dive into Genesis 1 - 2 by Sunnybrook Christian Church
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169 - The Story of God
Jim, Justin and Ryan discuss the bible.
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168 Juneteenth, July 4th and a Christian View of Country
168 Juneteenth, July 4th and a Christian View of Country by Sunnybrook Christian Church
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167 - Communion Pt II: Why You Shouldn't Take Communion This Sunday
167 - Communion Pt II: Why You Shouldn't Take Communion This Sunday by Sunnybrook Christian Church
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166 - Does Sunnybrook Take Communion Too Often?
166 - Does Sunnybrook Take Communion Too Often? by Sunnybrook Christian Church
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165 - Lent Scripture Service
165 - Lent Scripture Service by Sunnybrook Christian Church
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164 - Isn't Lent a Catholic Thing?
Jim, Ryan and Drew H discuss NACAR, Formula 1, High/Low church and our views on the church calendar and the practices associated with Advent and Lent in our context.
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163 - Two Docs and a Theologian: Science and the Existence of God
Justin Ebert talks with Brian Elbing and Jeff White, both highly acomplished PhD scientists, about the benefits and limits of science, and why they believe in God.
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162 Love is Action and Emotion
A follow up conversation with Rande Butler to Drew Moss' sermon from February 5, 2023.
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161 Love Speaks and Remains Silent: A Further Conversation
161 Love Speaks and Remains Silent: A Further Conversation by Sunnybrook Christian Church
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160 Becoming Christian: Jordan Weston
160 Becoming Christian: Jordan Weston by Sunnybrook Christian Church
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Consider This is a podcast that explores various topics from the perspectives of the ministry staff at Sunnybrook Christian Church in Stillwater, Oklahoma. These episodes reflect some of the behind-the-scenes conversations where transparency, humor and theology intersect.
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