Care for Pastors Podcast

Send us Fan MailIn Part 2 of this powerful conversation, Tami Jackson shares what happened after the truth came out.As she reflects on decades of marriage, Tami opens up about the complexities of accountability, leadership, and communication within a pastor’s home. She candidly discusses the unintended consequences of performance-based expectations, the challenges of misunderstood submission, and the long-term impact of unresolved patterns in marriage.Then, in a deeply emotional turn, Tami recounts the sudden and unexpected loss of her husband—and how God met her in the middle of overwhelming grief. Through her story, we see a powerful picture of God’s faithfulness, the importance of spiritual and practical preparation, and the sustaining hope found in Christ.This episode is a raw and redemptive look at marriage, loss, and the grace of God that carries us through it all.Key Topics CoveredWhy some marriages struggle to heal even after truth is revealedThe dangers of unhealthy or misplaced accountability in marriageMisunderstandings of submission and their long-term effectsThe tension between public ministry life and private family realityWhy seeking help (like counseling) matters sooner rather than laterThe sudden loss of a spouse and navigating grief with faithFinancial stewardship and preparation for pastors and their familiesParenting, legacy, and rebuilding relationships with childrenLiving authentically in ministry instead of maintaining a façadeKey TakeawaysHealing requires more than honesty—it requires intentional change and wise helpYou teach people how to treat you—healthy boundaries matterAccountability should be grace-filled, not performance-drivenPastors must lead their families with the same care they give their congregationIt’s never too late to grow, but delaying healing has real consequencesGod’s faithfulness is most evident in life’s hardest momentsPreparing financially and practically is an act of love for your familyBeing real in ministry creates space for true healing and connectionNotable Quotes“You do what you know until you know better.”“We lived in a way that wasn’t fully real—we kept up a façade.”“God’s faithfulness has been unbelievable.”“It’s always for His glory and always for our good.”“Be real as a pastor in life.”Discussion QuestionsAre there unhealthy patterns in your marriage that need to be addressed?What does healthy, grace-filled accountability look like in your relationships?Are you living authentically, or maintaining an image for others?How prepared are you—spiritually and practically—for the unexpected?In what ways have you seen God’s faithfulness in difficult seasons?Resources & Next StepsSeek wise, biblical counseling early—don’t wait until patterns are deeply ingrainedEvaluate your approach to accountability—ensure it’s rooted in grace, not performanceBegin or revisit financial planning as a way to care for your familyInvite honest, safe relationships where you can be fully knownSpend time reflecting on God’s faithfulness in your own lifeFinal EncouragementNo marriage is perfect, and no story is without struggle—but God is faithful in every season. Whether you’re walking through healing, hardship, or loss, you can trust that He is working for His glory and your good.

Send us Fan MailIn this powerful first part of our conversation, Tami Jackson shares the moment that changed everything—a phone call to her husband after ten years of marriage, finally revealing a painful secret she had carried since childhood.Tami opens up about the impact of sexual abuse, how unprocessed trauma shaped her view of intimacy, and the silent ways it affected her marriage, communication, and relationship with God. Together, we explore the danger of living in hiddenness, the pressure of performance-based faith, and how even well-meaning accountability can become harmful when it lacks grace and understanding.This episode is a raw and honest look at what happens when pain is buried—and why healing begins with telling the truth.Key Topics CoveredThe breaking point that led to Tami’s life-changing phone callThe long-term effects of childhood trauma on marriage and intimacyLiving on someone else’s faith vs. owning your relationship with ChristHow hidden struggles impact communication and connection in marriageThe difference between healthy and unhealthy accountabilityPerformance-based spirituality vs. grace-filled growthWhy honesty is the first step toward healingKey TakeawaysUnresolved trauma doesn’t stay hidden—it shows up in our relationshipsSilence and secrecy can quietly damage even strong marriagesIntimacy struggles are often rooted in deeper emotional or spiritual woundsAccountability without grace can feel like control rather than careYou cannot experience true healing without honestyIt’s never too late to begin addressing the pastNotable Quotes“I was living in a lie.”“I can’t live like this anymore.”“I wasn’t growing—I was living on someone else’s faith.”“It wasn’t a bad marriage—it just wasn’t as good as it could have been.”Discussion QuestionsAre there areas of your life where you’ve been hiding instead of being honest?How might past experiences be shaping your current relationships?What does healthy, grace-filled accountability look like in your life?Are you pursuing your own relationship with Christ, or relying on someone else’s faith?Resources & Next StepsConsider speaking with a trusted counselor or mentor if this episode surfaced personal strugglesBegin a daily rhythm of personal time with God—not out of performance, but relationshipInvite safe, grace-filled accountability into your lifeNext EpisodeWhat does healing actually look like after the truth comes out? How do you begin to rebuild trust, intimacy, and a healthy relationship with God?Join us next week for Part 2 of Tami’s story—where the journey toward healing and restoration continues.

Send us Fan MailIn this episode of the Care for Pastors Podcast, Robby Bolden sits down with John Harvey to reflect on a lifetime of ministry. With over three decades of experience, John shares an honest and deeply personal look at the challenges, temptations, and triumphs that come with faithfully serving in pastoral leadership.This is not a polished highlight reel — it’s a real conversation about endurance, failure, growth, and the grace of God that sustains pastors over the long haul.🔎 In This Episode, We Discuss:What it really takes to last 30+ years in ministryThe tension between ministry calling and family prioritiesHow pride and insecurity quietly shape leadership decisionsThe pain and reality of betrayal in ministryNavigating seasons of discouragement and burnoutGuarding your heart against long-term temptationThe importance of community, accountability, and trusted relationshipsLessons learned through failure, not just successWhy finishing well matters more than starting fast💡 Key TakeawaysLongevity in ministry is built on faithfulness, not fame.Your family is your first ministry — neglecting them comes at a cost.Pride and insecurity are subtle but dangerous companions in leadership.Isolation makes pastors vulnerable; community strengthens resilience.Betrayal is painful, but it doesn’t have to define your story.By God’s grace, it is possible to finish well.❤️ A Word to PastorsIf you’re in a hard season… If you’re carrying wounds no one else sees… If you’re questioning whether you can keep going…This episode is a reminder that you’re not alone.The road of ministry is long, and it’s often difficult — but it is also deeply meaningful. And as John shares so honestly, despite the hardships, the journey is worth it.Care for Pastors Podcast — because those who shepherd others need care too.

Send us Fan MailIn Part Two of this important conversation, Robby Bolden continues his discussion with Sam Jolman, author of The Sex Talk You Never Got.In Part One, we explored sexual formation, shame, and the deeper story behind behavior. In this episode, we move toward practical healing. How do pastors and ministry leaders begin reclaiming sexual health? What does real transformation look like? And how can broken trust actually be rebuilt?This conversation is honest, hopeful, and deeply pastoral.🔎 In This Episode, We Discuss:Why sexual struggles are often about emotional regulation, not just lustHow pornography can function as comfort or soothingThe importance of curiosity over condemnationIdentifying core wounds that fuel repetitive behaviorsThe role of fantasy and unmet longingHow to move from secrecy into safe communityPractical steps toward rebuilding trust in marriageWhy recovery is about reclaiming awe—not just avoiding failureThe possibility of recovering sexual innocence💡 Key TakeawaysYou cannot shame yourself into freedom.Sexual healing requires understanding your story.Emotional awareness is a critical part of spiritual growth.Community and accountability are pathways to lasting change.God’s design for sexuality is not merely restrictive — it is beautiful and life-giving.❤️ A Word to PastorsIf you are leading publicly while struggling privately, this episode is an invitation — not to exposure, but to healing.Freedom does not begin with self-punishment. It begins with honesty. Restoration does not start with fear. It starts with grace.There is a path forward.🎧 Coming Next Week: A conversation with John Harvey on 36 years of ministry — lessons on longevity, guarding your family, navigating betrayal, confronting pride, and finishing well.Be sure to subscribe and share this episode with a fellow pastor who needs encouragement.Care for Pastors Podcast — because those who shepherd others need care too.

Send us Fan MailIn this powerful first installment of a two-part conversation, Robby Bolden sits down with Sam Jolman, author of The Sex Talk You Never Got, to address one of the most silent and misunderstood struggles in ministry: sexual brokenness and shame.For many pastors and their spouses, sexuality has been reduced to one primary question: “Am I behaving or not?” But what if that framework is far too shallow? What if sexual struggles are not just about behavior—but about formation, trauma, shame, and story?This episode moves beyond condemnation and into curiosity. Beyond secrecy and toward healing.🔎 In This Episode, We Discuss:Why sexual formation is often neglected in spiritual formation conversationsThe difference between sexual sin and sexual woundingHow shame fuels isolation—and why isolation keeps the cycle aliveThe connection between abuse, early exposure to pornography, and later strugglesWhy many pastors feel they have nowhere safe to turnThe difference between conviction and toxic shameHow self-hatred masquerades as repentanceWhy kindness—not self-punishment—leads to real changeWhat it means to recover sexual “awe” and innocence💡 Key TakeawaysSexuality is not a curse to be managed but a gift to be sanctified.Shame is not from God; conviction draws us toward Him, shame drives us away.Isolation is the enemy’s playground. Healing happens in courageous community.You cannot hate yourself out of sin—but you can move toward grace and truth.There is hope for restoration, even if you feel “too far gone.”❤️ For Pastors and Ministry LeadersIf you’ve felt trapped between leadership expectations and private struggles… If you’ve believed that coming forward would cost you everything… If you’ve wondered whether healing is even possible for you…This conversation is for you.You are not alone. And shame does not get the final word.🎧 Next Week (Part 2): We move from diagnosis to direction. Sam shares practical steps toward reclaiming sexual health, rebuilding trust in marriage, and creating a pathway toward lasting healing for you and your family.Be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss Part Two.Care for Pastors Podcast — Because those who shepherd others need care too.

Send us Fan MailWhat happens when a faithful pastor is suddenly forced out of ministry?In this powerful and deeply honest conversation, Robby sits down with Deanna Harrison, co-founder of Pastors Hope Network, to talk about the devastating experience of pastoral termination—and the long road toward healing.After over 30 years of loving ministry life, Deanna and her husband were blindsided by a forced resignation that unfolded in just 12 days. No due process. No warning. Just loss, grief, and trauma.But what the enemy meant for destruction, God used to birth a new ministry—one that now provides crisis care, counseling connections, financial guidance, and employment assistance to pastors and families who have lost their ministry positions.If you or someone you love has experienced the pain of termination, this episode will remind you: You are not crazy. You are not alone. And you are not finished.Key Topics CoveredThe emotional and spiritual trauma of forced terminationGrieving ministry loss and understanding the stages of griefThe stigma pastors carry after being “let go”Why forgiveness is a process—not a one-time decisionProtecting your marriage when ministry collapsesThe importance of friendships outside your churchPractical advice for pastors: CPE training, chaplaincy, and vocational flexibilityKey TakeawaysTermination trauma is real. Many pastors are blindsided and deeply disoriented after losing their position.Anger is part of grief. Emotional reactions don’t mean you lack faith—they mean you’re human.Your marriage is your ministry. When everything else falls apart, your spouse is your primary calling.You must build friendships outside the church. Losing a position often means losing your entire social network.Ministry doesn’t end when the paycheck does. God often redirects calling, not cancels it.Crisis care matters. The first year after termination is critical for mental, financial, and relational stability.Denominations don’t define kingdom partnership. If you love Jesus, we’re on the same team.Memorable Quotes“Forgiveness is a process. You don’t just say the words and move on.”“Our marriage was the only stable thing in our lives—and that was enough.”“Just because a church doesn’t sign your paycheck doesn’t mean you’ve left ministry.”“We show up like paramedics—we don’t ask whose fault it was. We ask, ‘Who’s hurt?’”Deanna Harrison is the co-founder of Pastors Hope Network, a nonprofit dedicated to helping pastors and ministry families who have lost their ministry positions. After walking through the trauma of forced termination herself, Deanna felt called to create a network of mental health, financial, and employment resources designed specifically for wounded shepherds.Her book, Moving On: Surviving the Grief of Forced Termination, has helped hundreds of pastors begin their healing journey.Resources MentionedPastors Hope Network – pastorshopenetwork.orgCare for Pastors – Counseling and support for ministry familiesClinical Pastoral Education (CPE) for chaplaincy pathwaysWho This Episode Is ForPastors who have been forced out or terminatedPastor’s wives navigating trauma and griefMinistry couples protecting their marriageChurch leaders who want to better care for wounded shepherdsNext Episode: We continue the conversation around hidden pain as Robby interviews Sam Jolman about sexual formation, shame, and healing from sexual brokenness.

Send us Fan MailIn Part Two of our powerful conversation, Robby Bolden continues his discussion with Phil and Priscilla Fretwell, authors of Savage Marriage, as they walk us deeper into the journey of healing, transparency, and restored intimacy after confession and betrayal.If you haven’t listened to Part One, we strongly encourage you to go back and start there. This episode builds on that foundation of confession, repentance, and the beginning of healing.Episode Highlights1. The Beginning of True IntimacyPhil and Priscilla share how their healing began—not with physical intimacy—but with:Early morning time in God’s Word togetherLearning spiritual intimacy for the first timeSharing thoughts, fears, burdens, and failures openlyDiscovering that emotional intimacy flows from spiritual intimacyThey unpack the biblical order of intimacy: Spiritual → Emotional → PhysicalWhen spiritual intimacy is missing, physical intimacy becomes mechanical. When it’s restored, physical intimacy becomes meaningful and fulfilling.2. 100 Days of Rebuilding TrustAfter confession, they made a critical decision: No sexual intimacy for 100 days.Why?To remove agenda-driven behaviorTo rebuild trust without manipulationTo learn how to know one another emotionallyTo pursue forgiveness and repentance intentionallyThis season became a game changer in rebuilding safety and trust.3. Radical Transparency: “Taking Thoughts Captive”Phil shares a powerful practice that transformed their marriage:Sending a simple 🙏 emoji as code when facing temptationDiscussing triggers openly laterChoosing transparency over secrecyHis key insight:“If I shared the thought, I took it captive. If I kept it secret, it took me captive.”They also describe practical ways they navigated public triggers (like switching seats at a restaurant) as an act of honoring and protecting one another.4. Reclaiming Sexual Intimacy God’s WayTheir renewed sexual relationship was not about technique—it was about:Inviting the Holy Spirit into their marriage bedRenouncing past patterns shaped by pornographyRejecting shame and secrecyPraying togetherPriscilla shares her powerful prayer for “the pleasure of Sarah” (Genesis 18), asking God to redeem what had been robbed. God answered.This conversation is honest, redemptive, and deeply hopeful.5. Advice for Pastors & Leaders Harboring SecretsIf you’re hiding something:Tell someone.Don’t manage or minimize the story.Get wise counsel before confessing to your spouse.If confession has already happened:Bring in trusted outside help.Humility must replace image protection.Repentance must be visible, not performative.Phil reminds us:“There is no cure for shame without telling your story.”6. For Pastors Concerned About Their ChurchPhil and Priscilla address the fear every leader carries:“What will this do to my church?”They remind us:Transparency can bring revival.Weakness, when confessed, invites the power of Christ.Many in your congregation are already struggling with the same issues.When leaders create environments of honesty, freedom follows.📘 Savage Marriage by Phil & Priscilla Fretwell 🌐 Website: savagemarriageministries.comYou can also reach out to Care for Pastors if you or your spouse need confidential support.

Send us Fan MailIn this powerful and deeply transparent Season 3 premiere, Robby Bolden sits down with Phil and Priscilla Fretwell to begin a two-part conversation about brokenness, betrayal, repentance, and redemption in marriage.Phil shares his decades-long struggle with pornography, secrecy, and pride—even while serving as a church leader. Priscilla opens up about the trauma of betrayal, the lies she believed about herself, and the emotional and spiritual disconnect that followed. Together, they recount how hidden sin nearly destroyed their marriage—and how confession, humility, and radical transparency became the pathway to healing.This episode is a sobering reminder for pastors and church leaders: secrecy fuels bondage, but humility opens the door to grace.Key Themes from Part 11. The Destructive Power of SecrecyHidden sin creates internal war (Psalm 32:3–5).Managing sin is not the same as experiencing transformation.Pride keeps leaders isolated and resistant to healing.2. Betrayal Trauma and Emotional FalloutPriscilla’s honest reflection on fear, anger, shame, and believing she was “not enough.”The long-term impact of unresolved hurt and spiritual disconnection in marriage.How secrecy affected not just their relationship—but their entire family system.3. Humility as the Turning PointA pivotal moment of desperation that led Phil to surrender.“God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble.”The difference between information disclosure and true repentance.4. The Role of Counseling and True HealingWhy counseling alone cannot replace heart transformation.The danger of performing—even in therapy.Healing requires confession, community, and dependence on God.5. Breaking Generational SecrecyWhy they chose to share appropriately with their children.How transparency created deeper unity instead of destruction.The ripple effect of confession within extended family relationships.6. Guarding the Heart Moving ForwardBecoming intentional about media consumption.Cultivating spiritual and emotional intimacy.Choosing lifelong transparency over image management.Powerful Quotes from the Episode“There is no secret healing.”“I became convinced I couldn’t save myself.”“It’s not a moment of transparency—it’s a lifetime of transparency.”“What I saw for the first time in 28 years of marriage was a repentant and humble heart.”“God had freedom in mind—not just for us, but for our family.”Scripture ReferencedPsalm 32:3–5 – The weight of unconfessed sinJames 5:16 – Confess your sins to one another1 John 5 – Sin that leads to deathJohn 17:21 – Unity as testimonyPsalm 51:17 – A broken and contrite heartWhy This Matters for PastorsYou can lead publicly while dying privately.Pride isolates; humility restores.Image management is the enemy of healing.Freedom begins where secrecy ends.If you are struggling in silence, this episode is both a warning and an invitation.Coming Next Week (Part 2)In Part 2, Phil and Priscilla share what happened after confession—how God rebuilt trust, restored intimacy, transformed their family culture, and used their story to impact others.Resources: Learn more about Phil and Priscilla’s journey in Savage Marriage.If this episode encouraged you, consider sharing it with a fellow pastor or ministry spouse who may need hope today. 

Send us Fan MailHost: Robby Bolden Guests: Ron Cook (Founder, Care for Pastors), Robert White (Counselor, Care for Pastors)Episode OverviewIn the final installment of our Healthy Habits of Pastors series, Robby sits down with Ron Cook and Robert White for a meaningful conversation about the importance of developing and protecting a healthy mind in ministry. With decades of combined pastoral and counseling experience, Ron and Robert offer practical wisdom, biblical encouragement, and honest insight into the mental battles pastors face every day.Key Topics DiscussedWhy the mind is often the primary battleground for pastorsThe subtle lies spiritual leaders are most tempted to believeHow past wounds and ministry pressures shape mental habitsPractical strategies for preparing the mind for unpredictable ministry momentsThe connection between spiritual truth and emotional resilienceDaily practices that strengthen mental and spiritual clarityHow community and counseling play a vital role in mental well-beingNotable Quotes“You can plan your day, but ministry often surprises you—your mind needs to be anchored before the surprises come.”“Lies grow in the dark. Truth brings them into the light.”“A healthy mind starts with remembering who God is, and who you are in Christ.”Resources MentionedCare for Pastors counseling and support programsPastoral health resources available at CareForPastors.comWho This Episode Is ForPastors and ministry leaders carrying the weight of daily spiritual and emotional demandsChurch staff looking to build sustainable, healthy rhythmsAnyone seeking biblical and practical guidance for mental and emotional wholenessConnect With Care for PastorsWebsite: CareForPastors.comFacebook: Care for PastorsInstagram: @careforpastors

Send us Fan MailSeries: Healthy Habits of Pastors Host: Robby Bolden Guests: Art & Mary Ellen Eaton and Traci BoldenEpisode OverviewIn this episode of the Care for Pastors Podcast, host Robby Bolden wraps up our three-part series on Healthy Marriages with a conversation about intimacy—emotional, spiritual, and physical.Robby is joined again by Art and Mary Ellen Eaton, along with his wife Traci, for an honest and grace-filled discussion on how couples in ministry can strengthen their connection and build a marriage that reflects the heart of Christ.Together, they explore how healthy intimacy goes beyond physical closeness to include spiritual unity and emotional understanding, and how these areas impact both marriage and ministry.Key Topics:Understanding intimacy in marriage from a biblical and practical perspectiveHow emotional, spiritual, and physical connection work togetherCommon challenges pastors and spouses face in maintaining intimacyWays to rebuild connection when distance or busyness sets inEncouragement for couples serving in ministry togetherKey Takeaway:A healthy marriage doesn’t just happen—it’s cultivated through intentional connection in every area of life. When pastors and their spouses pursue intimacy with grace and understanding, they reflect the beauty of the gospel in their home and ministry.Resources Mentioned:Care for PastorsPastoral marriage and family care resourcesCounseling and support services for ministry couplesNext Episode:Join us next time as we close out our Healthy Habits of Pastors series with a powerful conversation on A Healthy Mind—how to guard your thoughts, manage stress, and stay centered in truth as you serve.

Send us Fan MailSeries: Healthy Habits of Pastors Host: Robby Bolden Guests: Art & Mary Ellen Eaton, and Traci Bolden🧩 Episode OverviewIn this episode of the Care for Pastors Podcast, host Robby Bolden continues the conversation on Healthy Marriages—a crucial part of maintaining balance and wholeness in pastoral life. Joined once again by Art and Mary Ellen Eaton, along with Traci Bolden, this discussion dives deeper into the daily habits and heart postures that help ministry couples thrive.Together, they share real stories and lessons from their own marriages, explore the challenges pastors and their spouses face, and offer practical wisdom for keeping your relationship healthy amid the demands of ministry.💬 Key TakeawaysIntentional connection matters. Healthy marriages don’t happen by chance—they’re built through daily choices of love, grace, and communication.Shared faith sustains intimacy. Prayer, worship, and spiritual partnership are essential anchors for couples in ministry.Boundaries protect what’s sacred. Guarding time for rest, family, and emotional recharge helps strengthen your relationship.Honesty and vulnerability build trust. A healthy marriage grows when both spouses feel safe to be real with each other.📖 Scripture & Encouragement“Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.” — 1 Peter 4:8Healthy ministry starts with a healthy marriage. When pastors and their spouses prioritize their relationship, they not only nurture each other—they model Christ’s love for the church.🔗 Resources MentionedCare for Pastors — Support, resources, and counseling for pastors and their families.Upcoming Episode: Healthy Marriages – Part 3🎧 Listen & SubscribeDon’t miss part three of this conversation, where we’ll talk about practical rhythms for staying emotionally and spiritually connected in every season of ministry.Subscribe to the Care for Pastors Podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen. 

Send us Fan MailShow Notes:🎙️ Care for Pastors PodcastSeason 2, Episode 9 Title: Healthy Marriages (Part 1) Host: Robby Bolden Guests: Art & Mary Ellen Eaton (Care for Pastors Team), and Traci Bolden🩺 Episode Overview:In this episode of the Care for Pastors Podcast, host Robby Bolden continues the Healthy Habits of Pastors series with a conversation close to every pastor’s heart — marriage.Robby is joined by Art and Mary Ellen Eaton, part of the Care for Pastors team, along with his wife Traci Bolden, for an honest and hope-filled discussion on what it looks like to build and maintain a healthy marriage in the midst of ministry life.Together, they explore how habits of connection, communication, prayer, and shared adventure can breathe new life into a marriage and help couples stay grounded in their love for God and each other — even when ministry gets demanding.💬 Key Takeaways:Ministry can magnify both the joys and challenges of marriage — intentional habits keep couples strong.Healthy marriages grow through consistent communication, shared prayer, and making time for fun together.You can’t give what you don’t have — caring for your marriage is part of caring for your calling.Grace and forgiveness are the daily rhythms that keep love alive.🧭 Episode Highlights:[01:45] The connection between pastoral health and marital health[07:30] How ministry seasons test communication and priorities[14:20] The role of prayer and spiritual intimacy in a thriving marriage[19:10] Rediscovering fun and laughter together[25:00] Encouragement for couples who feel distant or weary❤️ Next Episode Preview:Join us next week for Part Two of “Healthy Marriages,” where we’ll dive deeper into communication, conflict, and practical ways to serve one another with grace in every season of ministry.🔗 Resources & Links:Care for PastorsLearn more about the Care for Pastors Marriage Support ProgramsSubscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite platform

Send us Fan MailSeries: Healthy Habits of Pastors Host: Robby Bolden Guest: Krissie Glass, PK Director at Care for PastorsEpisode Summary:In this episode of the Care for Pastors Podcast, host Robby Bolden sits down with Krissie Glass, PK Director at Care for Pastors and a pastor’s kid herself, for an honest and encouraging conversation about raising healthy pastors’ kids.Ministry life can put unique pressures on a pastor’s family — from constant visibility to unrealistic expectations. Krissie shares from her own experience and her work with PKs across the country about what it looks like to create a home where ministry kids don’t just survive the demands of church life but truly thrive in their walk with Christ.Together, Robby and Krissie explore how authenticity, grace, and intentional connection at home can protect pastors’ kids from resentment and nurture hearts that love Jesus for themselves.Key Takeaways:The health of a pastor’s family begins with authenticity — being the same person at home and in ministry.Pastors’ kids need permission to be themselves, not an idealized version of their parents.Protecting family rhythms and privacy helps kids feel secure and valued.Parents can model grace by showing vulnerability and inviting their kids into real faith conversations.A healthy home gives PKs the freedom to develop a genuine, personal relationship with Jesus.Resources Mentioned:Care for Pastors – PK Ministry https://pastorskids.org Connect with Krissie Glass and the PK network at Care for PastorsThe Pastor's Kid, by Barnabas PiperShepherding a Child's Heart, by Tedd TrippParenting, by Paul David TrippHabits of the Household, by Justin Whitmel EarleyNext Episode:Join us next week as we continue our Healthy Habits of Pastors series with a powerful conversation on Habits of a Healthy Marriage — exploring how to strengthen your relationship, maintain intimacy, and keep

Send us Fan MailEpisode Title: The Healthy Practice of Sabbatical Series: Healthy Habits of Pastors Host: Robby Bolden Guest: Pastor Jason BortonEpisode Summary In this episode of the Care for Pastors Podcast, host Robby Bolden welcomes back Pastor Jason Borton for a powerful conversation on the Healthy Practice of Sabbatical. After 27 years in ministry, Jason took his first sabbatical — a journey that God used to restore his soul, renew his calling, and reshape his leadership.Robby and Jason explore what a true sabbatical looks like, why it’s not just an extended vacation, and how it can serve as a vital rhythm of rest and renewal for pastors and ministry leaders. They also discuss the importance of cultivating trust with church leadership, setting healthy expectations, and allowing God to work deeply in the stillness.Key Takeaways:Sabbaticals are a biblical rhythm of rest and renewal, not a luxury.A healthy church board plays a critical role in supporting pastoral rest.Sabbaticals provide space for clarity, healing, and renewed purpose.True rest often requires courage — the willingness to stop and trust God.Sustainable ministry begins with a soul that is restored.Recommended Episodes:Healthy Practice of Sabbath (Season 2, Episode 5) with Pastor Jason BortonCultivating a Healthy Soul with Ron CookHealthy Friendships with Pastor Michael ThedfordConnect with Jason Borton - [email protected] More: For more resources to help you stay healthy in life and ministry, visit CareforPastors.org.Subscribe & Connect: Subscribe to the Care for Pastors Podcast wherever you listen to podcasts, and follow us on social media for weekly encouragement and updates.

Send us Fan MailShow Notes – The Habit of Being a Physically Healthy Pastor Care for Pastors Podcast | Host: Robby Bolden | Guest: Kevin UrichkoIn this episode of the Care for Pastors Podcast, host Robby Bolden continues our series on Healthy Habits of Healthy Pastors with a conversation that often gets overlooked in ministry life—the habit of being physically healthy.Robby is joined by counselor and pastor, Kevin Urichko, who shares his perspective on why caring for our physical health is not just about exercise or diet—it’s about stewardship, obedience, and sustaining the calling God has placed on our lives. Together, they discuss practical ways pastors can take steps toward physical wellness, and why this habit is foundational for both personal and ministry health.Key Takeaways:·        Why physical health is a spiritual matter as much as a personal one.·        How neglecting your body can affect your family, relationships, and ministry.·        Practical steps pastors can take to move toward better health.·        Encouragement to see health as stewardship, not selfishness.Resources & Support: At Care for Pastors, we are committed to walking alongside you in every area of life and ministry. If you’d like to learn more about how we can support you, visit careforpastors.org.🎧 Listen now and be encouraged to pursue the healthy habit of caring for your body.Mentioned:Never Eat Alone, by Keith FerrazziThe Spirit of the Disciplines, by Dallas WillardToo Busy Not to Pray, by Bill HybelsF3 Nation: Fitness, Fellowship, FaithShepherd Ministries

Send us Fan MailSeries: Healthy Habits of Pastors Guest: Pastor Jason Borton, Harvest Time Bible ChurchIn this episode of the Care for Pastors Podcast, host Robby Bolden continues our Healthy Habits of Pastors series with an important conversation on the Healthy Practice of Sabbath.Many pastors live in constant motion, pulled by the unending demands of ministry. But God invites us into a rhythm of rest—a Sabbath that refreshes our souls and re-centers our lives in Him. Far from being an outdated command, Sabbath is a gift that helps us serve from overflow rather than exhaustion.Our guest, Pastor Jason Borton, shares his own story of ministry burnout and how rediscovering Sabbath reshaped his life, his leadership, and his family. Jason opens up about the challenges of slowing down, the lessons he’s learned, and the practical ways he’s building Sabbath into his weekly rhythm.Connect with Jason Borton - [email protected]:  At Your Best: How to Get Time, Energy, and Priorities Working in Your Favor by Carey NieuwhofEmotionally Healthy Spirituality by Peter ScazzeroHow's Your Soul?: Why Everything That Matters Starts With the Inside by Judah SmithIn this episode, you’ll discover:·        Why Sabbath is essential for the long-term health of pastors.·        How to move beyond guilt or legalism and embrace Sabbath as a gift.·        Jason’s personal journey from burnout to renewal.·        Practical steps for building healthy rhythms of rest.If you’ve struggled to stop, rest, and recharge, this conversation will encourage you to rediscover God’s design for Sabbath—and help you lead from a place of health.

Send us Fan MailSeries: Healthy Habits of Pastors Episode Title: Healthy Friendships Guest: Pastor Michael ThedfordEpisode Summary: In this episode of the Care for Pastors Podcast, host Robby Bolden continues the Healthy Habits of Pastors series with a heartfelt conversation on the importance of healthy friendships in ministry.Pastors are often surrounded by people but still feel isolated. Without trusted friends who understand their journey, leaders can find themselves carrying heavy burdens alone. Pastor Michael Thedford joins Robby to discuss why true friendships are not optional for pastors but essential for spiritual, emotional, and relational health.Together, they explore:Why friendship is vital to sustaining ministry.The dangers of isolation for pastors and leaders.Practical ways to cultivate healthy, trustworthy friendships.How God uses friendships to strengthen and encourage His servants.Whether you’re a pastor struggling to build meaningful relationships or simply need encouragement to invest in the friends God has placed in your life, this episode offers wisdom and hope for the journey.Listen in and be reminded—you don’t have to walk this road alone.👉 Next time on the Care for Pastors Podcast: We continue the Healthy Habits of Pastors series with a conversation on Rest and Sabbath—discovering God’s design for healthy rhythms in ministry and life. 

Send us Fan MailGuest: Ron Cook, Founder of Care for Pastors Topic: Cultivating a Healthy SoulIn this episode of the Care for Pastors Podcast, host Robby Bolden continues our Habits of Healthy Pastors series with a vital conversation on soul care with Ron Cook, founder of Care for Pastors.Ron draws from nearly five decades of ministry to share how neglecting his own soul nearly derailed his life and leadership—and how rediscovering the priority of soul care transformed his marriage, ministry, and walk with God. Together, Robby and Ron explore why pastors often sacrifice their inner life while “doing good,” and what it looks like to serve from abundance instead of depletion.This is an honest, practical, and hope-filled conversation for every pastor, spouse, and ministry leader who longs to finish well.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:·        Why solitude refines the soul—and why isolation is a dangerous substitute·        The question Ron asks every pastor: “How’s your soul?”—and why it matters·        How neglecting soul care opens the door to unhealthy escapes and temptations·        The difference between “I have to” ministry and “I get to” ministry·        What a healthy soul looks like in daily life, marriage, and leadership·        Practical rhythms of soul care: Scripture, prayer, journaling, Sabbath, and sabbatical·        How healthy leaders create healthy churches and staff culturesResources Mentioned in This Episode:·        Leading on Empty by Wayne Cordeiro·        Emotionally Healthy Spirituality by Peter Scazzero·        Soul Keeping by John OrtbergNext Steps:·        Visit careforpastors.org and click Get Help to connect with our team within 24 hours.·        Join our online communities: The Confidant (for pastors’ wives) and Pastors’ Allies on Facebook.·        Email us at [email protected] to request our free Sabbath resource.

Send us Fan MailGuest: Pastor Michael Thedford, LifeQuest Church, Palm City, FLTopic: How Should the Church Respond to Tragedy?In this special edition of the Care for Pastors Podcast, host Robby Bolden sits down with Pastor Michael Thedford to process the heartbreaking tragedies our nation has recently faced. Together, they explore how pastors and churches can respond in times of crisis with both honesty about the pain and unwavering hope in the gospel.This conversation acknowledges the weight pastors feel as shepherds during dark and confusing days, while also pointing toward the truth that the light of Christ still shines, and the church is called to be His presence in a hurting world.Whether you’re leading a congregation, supporting a grieving family, or simply seeking to understand how to respond to the brokenness around us, this episode offers perspective, encouragement, and hope.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:·        Why pastors feel the weight of tragedy so deeply in their communities·        The difference between reacting in fear and responding with faith·        How the gospel speaks into moments of violence and grief·        Practical ways churches can offer presence, prayer, and hope·        Why the church must resist despair and embody the light of ChristResources Mentioned in This Episode:·        Visit careforpastors.org and click Get Help to connect with our team within 24 hours·        Join our online communities: The Confidant (for pastors’ wives) and Pastors’ Allies on Facebook·        Email us at [email protected] to request resources for pastors and churches navigating tragedyNext Steps: If you or someone you know is struggling to process the weight of these times, don’t walk alone. Reach out to Care for Pastors today—we’d be honored to come alongside you. 

Send us Fan MailPodcast: Care for Pastors Podcast Host: Robby Bolden Guest: Dr. Robert WhiteEpisode SummaryIn Part Two of our Healthy Habits of Pastors series, host Robby Bolden continues the conversation with Dr. Robert White on the foundational habit of Walking with God. While Part One laid the biblical groundwork, this episode gets practical. Together, Robby and Dr. White discuss how pastors can move from simply knowing the truth to actually living it out in their daily relationship with the Father.From journaling prayers to practicing gratitude, from navigating dry seasons to learning to abide in Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit—this conversation is filled with practical wisdom for pastors and ministry leaders who long to cultivate a vibrant walk with God.What You’ll Learn in This EpisodeHow to build daily rhythms of Scripture, prayer, and journalingWhy gratitude shapes the posture of your heart toward GodHow to navigate spiritual dry seasons without losing hopeThe role of the Holy Spirit in cultivating intimacy with GodWhy soul care begins with abiding in Christ, not just doing ministryResources & LinksLearn more about Care for Pastors: careforpastors.orgBooks mentioned in this episode: The Wonderful Spirit-Filled Life by Charles Stanley Fresh Wind, Fresh Fire by Jim Cymbala Dangerous Calling by Paul David Tripp Leading on Empty by Wayne Cordeiro Podcasts mentioned:OneCry Podcast (Life Action Ministries) The Denison Forum PodcastNext EpisodeDon’t miss our next conversation in the Healthy Habits of Pastors series with Ron Cook, where we’ll explore How to Cultivate a Healthy Soul.

Send us Fan MailPodcast: Care for Pastors PodcastHost: Robby BoldenGuest: Dr. Robert WhiteEpisode SummaryIn this episode, we launch our brand-new series, Healthy Habits of Pastors, with the most essential rhythm of all: Walking with God. Host Robby Bolden is joined by Dr. Robert White—pastoral counselor, seminary leader, and longtime pastor—who brings over 50 years of ministry experience to this conversation. Together, they explore why so many pastors struggle to maintain their personal walk with God, how neglecting it affects their ministry and families, and what it really looks like to prioritize communion with Christ in the middle of a busy ministry life.This conversation is both convicting and encouraging, reminding us that pastors can’t lead others where they themselves are not walking.What You’ll Learn in This EpisodeWhy ministry often pulls pastors away from time with GodHow neglecting a personal walk impacts relationships and leadershipThe biblical call to abide in Christ (John 15:5)Practical encouragement for cultivating daily rhythms of prayer, Scripture, journaling, and gratitudeWhy walking with God is the foundation for every other pastoral habitResources & LinksLearn more about Care for Pastors: careforpastors.orgScripture references: John 15:5, Matthew 6Next EpisodeDon’t miss Part Two of this conversation with Dr. Robert White, where we’ll dive into practical rhythms and tools to help pastors sustain a vibrant walk with God—even in the busyness of ministry.

Send us Fan MailIn this final episode of season 1 of the Care for Pastors Podcast, Pastor Shane Becton shares the raw and redemptive journey of confronting unresolved anger after a season of ministry betrayal, leadership crisis, and personal loss. Shane opens up about the emotional toll of online accusations, sudden resignations within his church leadership, and the spiritual fog that followed.When everything he had poured his life into began to unravel, Shane found himself consumed by hurt and confusion. But in his most broken moment, a quiet nudge from his wife led him to reach out to Care for Pastors, and that phone call marked the beginning of healing.In this honest conversation, Shane reflects on:How anger can mask grief, fear, and disillusionmentThe challenges of leadership in crisis and isolationThe role of wise counsel and mentorship in recoveryWhy processing pain is essential for personal and spiritual healthHow writing letters and pursuing Matthew 18-style reconciliation brought freedomWhat it means to rebuild life and ministry with surrender, not controlResources mentioned on the episode:Care for PastorsIf this episode spoke to you or someone you love, please share it with others in ministry who may be struggling. Subscribe to the Care for Pastors Podcast so you never miss an episode and leave a review to help others find support.About our Guest:Shane Becton is a seasoned ministry leader with over 25 years of experience in church leadership. He has faithfully served in various roles, including Family Ministries Pastor, Campus Pastor, and Executive Pastor, and now serves as the Lead Pastor of a growing church community, New Life Seacoast Church in New Hampshire. In 2019, Shane and his wife, Holly, relocated from the coast of North Carolina to New Hampshire, where they’ve continued to share the transforming message of Jesus and build meaningful relationships in their local community.

Send us Fan MailWhat happens when staying faithful in ministry means walking through the fire?In this gripping and emotional episode, Robby sits down with Keith and Patti Johnson as they share their journey through 16 years of ministry pain, spiritual opposition, broken relationships, and a shocking cancer diagnosis that nearly took Patti’s life. What started as a season of relentless hardship turned into a story of restoration, as God began to heal not only Patti’s body but also their fractured church and estranged family.From raw conversations with God in the hospital to powerful moments of quiet surrender, Keith and Patti offer a rare and honest look at what it means to obey God when everything around is falling apart. If you’ve ever asked, “Where is God in my suffering?”, this episode offers a deeply personal answer.This conversation explores: How obedience to God sometimes means staying in painful ministry assignments longer than you’d like.How God can restore and heal what is broken, even through the most difficult trials of our lives.Why community and humor are vital lifelines for surviving ministry wounds.That trusting God doesn’t always feel good, but it always leads to growth.How trials and suffering become sacred ground when God is trusted through it.Resources mentioned on the episode:Care for Pastors The Confidante for Pastors’ WivesHallelujah by Casting CrownsMy Utmost for His Highest by Oswald ChambersIf this conversation encouraged you or someone you love, share it. You never know who might need to hear they’re not alone. Be sure to subscribe to the Care for Pastors Podcast and leave a review to help others find this healing resource.About our Guest:Keith and Patti Johnson have served in pastoral ministry for over 16 years and have been married for 40 years. Keith is a lead pastor who is deeply committed to “teaching truth and loving well.” After coming to faith as an adult, he followed God’s call to ministry and earned a Master of Theology (Th.M.) from Dallas Theological Seminary. He was ordained in 2003 and has spent his ministry focused on shepherding the local church and helping people experience life-changing relationships with Jesus. Patti serves on staff at Care for Pastors, where she has ministered to pastors’ wives across the country through The Confidante community. Patti helps lead the Confidante Facebook group, contributes regularly to the Care for Pastors blog, and offers compassionate support to ministry wives walking through seasons of hardship.

Send us Fan MailParenting a prodigal is never easy, but when you’re a pastor or a pastor’s spouse, the pain can be even more complex and isolating. In this episode of the Care for Pastors Podcast, Art and Mary Ellen Eaton open up about their journey through the highs and lows of ministry and parenting. They candidly share how moral failures in church leadership deeply affected their family and how they’ve navigated the painful reality of raising prodigal children.With wisdom shaped by personal experience, the Eatons discuss the power of grace, the tension between unconditional love and tough truth, and the importance of prayer in parenting. They offer hope to fellow parents who may be walking through similar seasons of heartache, encouraging them to remain firm in their faith and to trust in God’s greater plan for their children.This conversation explores:Navigating ministry while facing personal and leadership failuresRaising children who have strayed from their faithBalancing grace and truth in parentingThe emotional and spiritual toll of prodigal seasonsEncouragement and hope for parents of prodigalsResources mentioned on the episode:Care for PastorsIf this conversation encouraged you or someone you love, share it. You never know who might need to hear they’re not alone. Be sure to subscribe to the Care for Pastors Podcast and leave a review to help others find this healing resource.About our Guest:Art and Mary Ellen Eaton have been faithfully serving in full-time ministry since 1997. Over the past 27 years, they have worn many hats, including senior pastor and pastor’s wife, while also ministering in single adult ministry, youth and children’s ministry, music ministry, and more. For a decade, they served as church planters in the beautiful Blue Ridge Mountains of North Carolina, where they cultivated a deep heart for shepherding others through both the joys and challenges of ministry life.

Send us Fan MailWhat happens when the people you’ve given your life to serve turn on you? In this raw and redemptive episode, Robby Bolden sits down with Rodetta Cook, co-founder of Care for Pastors, to talk about the often unseen and unspoken pain many pastors’ wives endure in ministry. Rodetta vulnerably shares her story: how she experienced decades of hostility, betrayal, and spiritual trauma, and how God used those painful seasons to shape her faith, calling, and purpose.From unpaid early ministry roles to a devastating attempted church takeover, Rodetta’s journey is marked by tears, surrender, and God’s unfailing grace. With authenticity and wisdom, she offers hope to other ministry spouses who are quietly walking through their own valleys.If you’ve ever felt alone, unseen, or hurt in the shadows of ministry, this episode will remind you that God sees, heals, and redeems.This conversation explores:The unspoken weight and wounds pastors’ spouses often carryHow to surrender unmet desires and find purpose in painThe spiritual and emotional toll of ministry betrayalImportance of Scripture and worship in seasons of traumaHow community and safe spaces are essential for healingThe origin and impact of The Confidante, a support group for pastors’ wivesStewarding your pain to help others healResources mentioned on the episode:Care for PastorsThe Confidante for Pastors’ Wives Private Facebook GroupWounded by God’s People by Anne Graham LotzForgiving What You Can’t Forget by Lysa TerKeurstDon’t Give the Enemy a Seat at Your Table by Louie Giglio“Tell Your Heart to Beat Again” by Danny GokeyIf this conversation encouraged you or someone you love, share it. You never know who might need to hear they’re not alone. Be sure to subscribe to the Care for Pastors Podcast and leave a review to help others find this healing resource.About our Guest:Rodetta Cook has been a pastor’s wife for over 40 years. She and her husband, Ron, have actively served the Lord together in ministry during the entire time and are co-founders of Care for Pastors. She understands the expectations, loneliness, and how hard it is to find balance in ministry as a pastor’s wife. Rodetta also leads the pastors’ wives initiative at Care for Pastors called The Confidante and ministers to hundreds of wives each week. Besides leading The Confidante, she also manages the office and coordinates events for Care for Pastors.

Send us Fan MailForced termination is one of the most painful and disorienting experiences a pastor can face, often leaving behind confusion, grief, and a shattered sense of purpose. In this raw and deeply personal episode, Robby is joined by Kevin Urichko, former executive pastor of a megachurch, who shares the story of his own forced termination after 30 years of faithful service. Kevin opens up about the betrayal, burnout, and identity crisis that followed, and how God used that season to reshape his soul, pace of life, and ministry purpose.This conversation is a powerful reminder that God does not waste our pain. Kevin’s journey through disillusionment, counseling, and ultimately healing with the help of Care for Pastors offers hope for any pastor who has walked through--or is currently walking through--a similar valley. Kevin's story helps us understand the gravity of forced termination and why a healthy path to recovery is essential for ministry leaders and their families.This conversation explores themes of:The emotional and spiritual trauma of forced terminationIdentity loss and betrayal in ministryThe importance of slowing down and seeking soul careLearning radical self-awareness through painRebuilding purpose outside traditional church rolesHow pastors can navigate grief and find safe communityThe sacred role of rest, counseling, and healingResources mentioned on the episode:Care for PastorsPastors’ Hope NetworkThe Rise and Fall of Mars Hill PodcastNecessary Endings by Dr. Henry CloudEmotionally Healthy Spirituality by Peter Scazzero If this episode resonated with you or someone you know, we encourage you to share it and help us spread healing and hope for those who are hurting. Subscribe to the Care for Pastors Podcast and leave a review to help others discover this life-giving resource.About our Guest:Dr. Kevin Urichko was born in Illinois but raised in Central Florida. He holds degrees from Boston University (B.A.) and Reformed Theological Seminary (M.Div. & D.Min.). Kevin was a pastor with Northland Church in Longwood, Florida, for 30 years, and continues to serve through Shepherd Ministries today. He and his wife, Linda (married since 1991), enjoy ministry and teaching together. They are the grateful parents of two grown children, Kristen and Isaac. Kevin’s desire is to come alongside pastors and pastoral family members with an understanding heart, sharing the compassion and hope he has received from Jesus in his own needs and challenges. He joined the Care for Pastors team in February 2023.

Send us Fan MailDepression is often misunderstood in the church, and even more so within the walls of a pastor’s home. In this deeply moving episode, Krissie Glass (PK Ministry Director/Counselor with Care for Pastors) opens up about her journey through the heartbreak of walking alongside her late husband as he battled depression, and the unimaginable loss that followed. Krissie shares how her faith was tested and how God began a process of healing and redemption in her life.With honesty and vulnerability, Krissie helps us see the very real emotional and spiritual toll that mental illness can have on pastoral families. She discusses the silence and stigma that too often surround these conversations in church culture and why we must do better in creating spaces for truth, support, and healing.Today, Krissie shares not only her pain, but also her journey of hope. She speaks about God’s redemptive work in her life, how she found support in her darkest seasons, and the importance of community and compassion in helping others heal.This conversation explores themes of:Recognizing the signs of depressionBreaking the silence and stigma around mental health in the churchNavigating fear, isolation, and vulnerability in leadershipThe unique emotional challenges faced by pastors’ kidsThe redemptive hope found in Christ and communityResources mentioned on the episode:Care for PastorsPastorsKids.orgOpen Letters to Our Fellow Fighters by Rob Phillips and Krissie GlassEmotionally Healthy Spirituality by Peter ScazzeroGentle and Lowly by Dane OrtlundMental Health and Your Church by Helen Thorne and Dr. Steve MidgleyThe Pastors’ Ally Private Facebook GroupThe Confidante for Pastors’ Wives Private Facebook GroupIf this episode spoke to you or someone you love, please share it with others in ministry who may be struggling. Subscribe to the Care for Pastors Podcast so you never miss an episode and leave a review to help others find support.About our Guest:Krissie Glass is a faithful follower of Jesus. She grew up a pastor’s kid and loved singing and traveling on mission trips with her church family. She and her husband Cameron have two amazing twins, Joah and Selah. They reside in Fort Worth, Texas, where her husband serves as a lead pastor. Krissie is a Licensed Professional Counselor, Trauma Specialist, Speaker and Author of Open Letters to Our Fellow Fighters: How the gospel brings hope to anxiety and depression. She partners with local churches and ministries around the world to help educate others in understanding mental illness in a biblical and practical way. Krissie is the Pastors’ Kids Ministry Director and Counselor for Care for Pastors, a faith-based organization that provides trauma care and counseling resources to pastoral families.

Send us Fan MailHow do you move forward after the pain of ministry betrayal? In this deeply honest conversation, host Robby Bolden welcomes Care for Pastors co-founder Ron Cook to illuminate just that. Ron shares the story of a painful attempted "hostile takeover" at the church he planted—how friends became adversaries and the struggle that followed. Listeners will hear Ron’s candid journey through confusion, spiritual crisis, and ultimately, the surprising comfort and growth God unfolded from profound pain. Along the way, Ron and Robby explore biblical wisdom for pastors facing opposition, the significance of community when wounded, and the choice to steward pain rather than merely survive it. Through practical insights and powerful storytelling, this episode is a guiding light for anyone recovering from betrayal in ministry.Ron’s testimony reminds us that even when it seems like the end, God’s plan is at work in the pruning, and no painful season is wasted.This conversation explores themes of:How to respond biblically and healthily to betrayal in ministryWhy processing pain in safe community is essentialThe stewardship of pain—letting God bring healing and comfortHow to discern when to confront toxicity and when to let goLearning to trust again after deep wounds Resources mentioned on the episode:Care for PastorsClergy Killers by G. Lloyd RedigerForgiving What You Can't Forget by Lysa TerkeurstEmotionally Healthy Spirituality by Peter ScazzeroThe Pastors’ Ally Private Facebook GroupThe Confidante for Pastors’ Wives Private Facebook GroupIf this episode speaks to you or someone you know who’s been hurt in ministry, please share it. And be sure to subscribe to the Care for Pastors Podcast so you never miss an episode. Your review also helps others discover the support they need.About our Guest:Ron and his wife Rodetta have been married for 47 years and have served in ministry together throughout that time. They are the co-founders of Care for Pastors, where Ron serves by counseling and mentoring hundreds of pastors and spouses each year, both in person and online. With over 46 years of pastoral experience, Ron understands the pressures of ministry firsthand. His passion is to help pastors finish well by drawing from his own longevity in ministry to offer wisdom, encouragement, and care.

Send us Fan MailIn this powerful kick-off to the first season of the Care for Pastors Podcast, host Robby Bolden sits down with Dr. Robert White, a pastor, counselor, and coach, to explore the profound pain of loss in ministry. Through personal, vulnerable storytelling, Dr. White recounts his own experience with divorce during his tenure as a senior pastor and how it brought him to the brink of despair. His moving story includes finding hope on the floor in prayer, learning to forgive, and discovering unexpected purpose and fruitfulness after devastation.Listeners will gain insight into why God sometimes “suffers the tree”—withholding what we think we need to deepen our spiritual roots. Dr. White discusses the stigma pastors face after divorce, the importance of seeking help, and how pain can become the seedbed for a greater ministry. The conversation is filled with honesty, practical advice, and compassion for hurting leaders.Dr. White’s journey reminds us that no situation is hopeless while serving a risen Savior and that God does not waste our pain. Leaders and their families in any season of loss will find wisdom, empathy, and renewed hope in this episode.This conversation explores themes of:How loss and heartbreak can deepen your compassion and ministry impactWhy vulnerability and honesty matter for leadersThe daily discipline of forgiveness and what it looks like in practiceLearning to process pain in community rather than isolationFinding hope and renewed calling after devastating personal lossResources mentioned on the episode:Care for PastorsGriefShare.orgThe Meaning of Marriage by Tim KellerIt Wasn’t Supposed to Be This Way by Lysa TerKeurstThe Pastors’ Ally Private Facebook GroupThe Confidante for Pastors’ Wives Private Facebook GroupIf this episode spoke to you or someone you love, please share it with others in ministry who may be struggling. Subscribe to the Care for Pastors Podcast so you never miss an episode and leave a review to help others find support.About our Guest:Dr. Robert White was raised in central Florida and completed his Bachelor’s degree at the University of Central Florida. After college, he completed the Master of Divinity and Doctor of Ministry degrees at Luther Rice Seminary in Atlanta, Georgia. For more than 40 years he has served as pastor of churches in Florida and in Massachusetts. In October 2016, Dr. White joined Care For Pastors as a Pastoral Counselor/Coach. Robert currently resides with his wife, Kaye, in Leesburg, Florida.

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