Clergy Wellbeing Down Under

 Scaling Mental Health Support through Faith Communities: Insights from Dr. John NaslundDiscover how faith-based initiatives and community-led programs are transforming mental health outreach across diverse cultural settings, from India to Texas. Dr. John Naslund shares innovative strategies for leveraging existing community structures, digital tools, and evidence-based therapies to expand access and reduce stigma.  Find a sense of purpose and meaning In this episode: The origins and evolution of the Empower program for global mental health How faith communities serve as vital partners in mental health intervention and support The role of culturally adapted behavioral activation in resource-limited settings The launch and growth of the Congregational Collective in Texas Practical steps for integrating mental health training in churches and other faith groups Differences in scaling approaches between India and the US under health policy and community needs The importance of ongoing support, supervision, and community ownership in mental health initiatives Opportunities for Australia to adopt and adapt similar community-based mental health strategies Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction to Dr. John Naslund and his work in global mental health 01:20 - How community and faith sectors can help address mental health gaps 03:00 - The background and motivation behind the Empower psychosocial intervention 05:18 - Evidence base for psychosocial treatments and strategies for low-resource settings 07:06 - Digital tools supporting scalable mental health training 09:21 - The emergence and role of the Congregational Collective in Texas 11:15 - How behavioral activation fits into faith communities 13:05 - Training and deploying local church community members as mental health navigators 16:59 - Delivering brief behavioral activation sessions within faith settings 18:26 - Screenings, referrals, and managing serious cases in faith community programs 22:56 - The evolving perception and engagement with mental health in faith communities 27:32 - Feedback and shifts in faith community responses to mental health needs 30:30 - Cross-cultural origins and adaptations of behavioral activation programs 34:17 - The success of scaling mental health in India and implications for other countries 38:26 - Community-driven demand for mental health support in the US and beyond 41:14 - Final insights on expanding access through non-traditional settings 43:58 - Closing remarks and invitations for collaborations in Australia Send us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

Brian Foreman, with three decades of experience related to congregations as staff and support, he combines his theological, leadership and community engagement education with the practical experience of serving congregations, and he is most passionate about seeing individuals and congregations transform their communities through the invitation God has given them to join in God’s work. A key way Brian serves churches is through a ministry that builds a platform for congregations to equip one another for the unique challenges and opportunities of being church in their respective contexts.Brian received his BA in Religion and Christian Ministries from Campbell University, a Master of Religious Education from Duke University Divinity School and a Doctorate in Education Leadership from the University of North Carolina – Charlotte. Key topics The development and purpose of the Thriving Traits Assessment, including five key traits: compelling clarity, dynamic collaboration, rooted relationships, faithful agility, and holy tenacity. The importance of perception gaps between clergy and congregants, and how the assessment helps bridge those perceptions. How the assessment uses self-evaluation by both leaders and members, fostering honest dialogue. The role of stories and community narratives in strengthening congregational identity. Challenges pastors face with political and social issues, and how the assessment can unify diverse church personalities. The transformative potential of the assessment to shift organizational culture from program-driven to relationally connected. The analogy between church health metrics and personal accountability measures like Bible reading and prayer. The significant impact of understanding perception gaps, especially in areas like clarity and collaboration, leading to more aligned ministry efforts. The influence of societal changes and social media on youth ministry and congregational engagement strategies. The importance of curiosity, openness, and storytelling in church leadership and community development. TIMESTAMPS00:01 - Introduction to Brian Foreman and his work with the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship 00:32 - Brian's recent holiday experience in Curacao and insights into social media influence 01:22 - Observations on beach culture and social media influencers 01:45 - Conversations about local coffee and its significance to travel experience 02:24 - The challenge of finding coffee at events and its symbolism in community engagement 02:52 - Overview of the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship: mission and diversity 04:02 - Explanation of church autonomy within Baptist tradition and ecumenical collaborations 04:58 - The concept and evolution of the Fellowship over 35 years 05:47 - Brian’s background in youth ministry and theological reflection with teens 06:11 - Transition from youth minister to educator and organizational leadership lessons 08:42 - Current challenges in youth ministry, social media impact, and adolescent development 10:00 - Shifts in youth engagemSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

Dr. Allison Norton is Associate Professor of Migration Studies and Congregational Life at Hartford International University, where she directs the Pastoral Innovation Network of New England and co-directs the Hartford Institute for Religion Research. She teaches courses in sociology of religion, immigration, and multicultural and intergenerational ministry. Her research and publications explore the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on U.S. congregations, the rise of megachurches in West Africa, the transnational dimension of African Pentecostalism, the role of migration on the worldwide expansion of the Christian faith, and the religious identities of the “new” second generation.Join us as we delve into the fascinating intersection of migration, religious identity, and the evolving landscape of church engagement with Dr. Alison Norton, an expert in migration studies and religious research. Discover insights on how digital spaces, demographic shifts, and multicultural dynamics are reshaping communities of faith in the post-pandemic world.Key Topics:The religious identities of second-generation migrants, especially Ghanaian AmericansHow churches serve as homes and communities for diaspora populationsTrends in religious participation among youth and the impact of globalizationVirtual church: engagement, multitasking, and participation metricsThe rise of "multiple belongings" and congregational shoppingThe impact of demographics on mega church growth in AfricaClergy mental health and wellness during and after COVID-19The significance of trauma, loneliness, and relational health in pastoral lifePractical implications of online worship, accessibility, and hybrid modelsTrends in clergy part-time vs. full-time wellness and city-wide church collaborationsIn this episode:Dr. Norton discusses her research on the religious motivations and identities of second-generation Ghanaians in the U.S.The role of church as a community hub for migrants displaced from ancestral contextsHow digital worship participation is measured and understood, with surprising findings on multitaskingThe concept of "multiple belongings" and how church shopping can foster ecumenical relationshipsDemographic influences on the growth and decline of religious groups globallyThe evolving mental health landscape among clergy, including burnout and relational lonelinessThe enduring impact of virtual worship on church life and future considerations for ecclesiologyEncouragement for communities to foster mutual care, connection, and flexible belonging Timestamps:00:00 - Welcome and introduction to Dr. Allison Norton 02:45 - Understanding the religious identities of second-generation migrants 05:11 - How church serves as a place of belonging for diaspora communities 08:20 - African megachurches: demographics and growth trends 11:42 - Research insights on virtual worship participation and multitasking 16:57 - Online engagement, distraction, and theological implications 21:56 - Accessibility and convenience in digital church models 26:31 - Multiple belongings and church shopping: ecumenical opportunities 33:43 - The impacSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

Dr Rae Jean Proeschold-Bell, PhD, is a Professor of Global Health at Duke University and Director of the Duke Clergy Health Initiative, for which she has been the lead researcher since its inception in 2007. She is an expert in conducting clinical trials of behavioral interventions that integrate physical and mental health. She has designed and rigorously tested two interventions for United Methodist clergy: Spirited Life, which promoted holistic health and reduced metabolic syndrome, and Selah, which tested stress management practices and reduced stress and anxiety symptoms while enhancing positive mental health. In this episode Rae Jean  shares insights from extensive research on mental health, stress management, and the importance of positive emotions within clergy and their families. Main topics:Impact of clergy well-being initiatives over 19 yearsPhysical health disparities and cultural factors affecting clergy healthThe role of positive mental health: emotions, social, and psychological functioningInterventions like mindfulness, prayer practices, and structured programsPractical tools: daily wellbeing practices and the profiling of clergy healthFamily and community influence on clergy well-being and resilienceResources & Links:Duke Clergy Health InitiativeMindfulness-Based Stress Reduction Program - DukeCentre For Effective Serving Emotional Health ScreenAdditional resources:Mindfulness and Loving-Kindness Meditation Resourceshttps://www.drkatherine.com.au/christ-centred-mindfulness.htmlSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

Dr Matt Edwards has been a Doctor in the UK for over twenty years before transitioning to work with Thrive Worldwide with a vision to helping people and organisations to thrive. His role with Thrive has developed from Medical Director, Director of Individual Thriving and now Chief Clinical Officer. This role involves overseeing the multi-disciplinary clinical team of Medical, Psychosocial and Occupational Health clinicians. He is on the executive team helping the oversight of the organisation. He is passionate about promoting health and wellbeing in the whole-person context.Dr. Matt Edwards discusses the physical and psychosocial health challenges faced by ministry workers, the importance of physical health, and strategies for thriving in ministry and retirement.  "Chronic stress damages the body over time.""Plan your transition to retirement carefully.""Self-care isn't selfish, it's essential."Chapters00:00 Introduction to Thrive Worldwide and Dr. Matt Edwards02:08 Understanding Thrive's Mission and Services04:16 Psychosocial Support in Ministry07:34 Resilience and Self-Awareness in Ministry Candidates09:49 Medical Observations of Clergy Health13:35 The Impact of Ministry on Physical Health20:00 Chronic Stress and Its Effects on Clergy22:25 Aging and Health in Ministry23:23 The Unique Challenges of Pastoral Care26:09 Understanding Loneliness in Ministry31:11 Physical Health Concerns for Ministry Workers34:53 Navigating Retirement in Ministry39:05 Honoring Ministry Workers in TransitionSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

The Flourishing in Ministry project began over ten years ago at the University of Notre Dame. Dr. Matt Bloom, whose wife is a pastor, led a team of researchers (including Dr. Chris Adams, Executive Director) to develop insights about clergy well-being. Dr. Adams now leads the Flourishing in Ministry project at Rosemead School of Psychology, Biola University, as part of the Mental Health and the Church Initiative. The research study currently includes over 20,000 clergy surveys and several hundred in-depth interviews with a diverse group of clergy. In this conversation we learn about the key practices and implementable strategies that this research has found to make the difference in a flourishing ministry.In this episode: The complex, multi-faceted role of pastors and how it differs from other helping professions The mental health challenges clergy face, including burnout rates comparable to teachers and social workers The impact of leadership styles—healthy versus pathological—and their effects on congregations The Five Dimensions of Flourishing: daily well-being, resilience, authenticity, social ecosystem, and how these interrelate Practical strategies for pastors to sustain daily well-being, including spiritual practices, boundary-setting, and community support The importance of organizational and community-level support for long-term health Unique challenges faced by pastors' families and the concept of front stage/backstage in ministry The role of relational ecosystems—mentors, friends, church community—in fostering resilience and authenticity Take the free Flourishing in Ministry Assessment and get access to resources and tips that will help you: https://www.flourishinginministry.org/Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction to Dr. Chris Adams and his work on clergy well-being 02:13 - The influence of family history and pastoral lineage 03:28 - Challenges of clergy killing congregations 04:55 - How past experiences shape current research interests 06:14 - Dual focus of the Mental Health and the Church Initiative 07:44 - Differentiating ministry from other helping professions 08:13 - Unique relational demands of pastors 10:06 - The toll of role immersion and 24/7 responsibilities 11:21 - The complexity of being a pastor: job analysis insights 13:39 - Burnout rates among clergy in comparison to other helping professions 15:05 - Addressing the myth that pastors should work as hard as their congregation members 16:48 - How pastors can understand and manage their work hours 18:58 - The flourishing model: origins, survey, and key constructs 20:55 - The five dimensions of flourishing and the free assessment tool 22:45 - Insights from the large clergy dataset and the importance of cultural adaptation 24:28 - Longitudinal research findings: positive spirals and downward trends 26:09 - Building daily well-being through spiritual practices and rhythms 27:54 - Small, consistent practices that promote resilience and joy 30:24 - The role of emotion regulation, assertiveness, and role craftingSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

Looking for gumption to persevere in ministry? Looking for spectacular evidence for the case of religion? Interested in what makes death row inmates flourish more than the global population? Debunking the Gallup Happiness report with the #1 countries that flourish *hint* it speaks to suffering NOT GDP or education.  You will want to catch this one.Dr Byron Johnson is Distinguished Professor of the Social Sciences at Baylor University. He is the founding director of the Baylor Institute for Studies of Religion (ISR) as well as director of the Program on Prosocial Behavior. Johnson is a faculty affiliate of the Human Flourishing Program at Harvard University, and is Visiting Distinguished Professor in the School of Public Policy at Pepperdine University. He is a leading authority on the scientific study of religion, human flourishing, the efficacy of faith-based organizations, and criminal justice. He has been the principal investigator on grants from private foundations as well as the Department of Justice, Department of Labor, Department of Defense,National Institutes of Health, and the United States Institute for Peace. His newest books are The Faith Factor and Social Welfare: Rethinking Evidence, Practice, and Policy (2026), and The Death of Religion: Nones, Others, and the Flourishing of Faith.Key Topics: The groundbreaking scope and scope of the Global Flourishing Study, measuring over 200,000 participants across 20 countries How religious participation, particularly faith-based activities, correlates strongly with multiple domains of flourishing The surprising resilience and flourishing among prisoners, including those on death row The significance of community, relationships, and spiritual capital in societal well-being The role of suffering, trauma, and trauma recovery in fostering resilience and spiritual growth Findings indicating that GDP and material wealth are inversely related to flourishing, emphasizing mental and relational health Practical implications for churches, congregations, and faith communities in fostering holistic well-being Timestamps: (00:00) - Introduction to Dr Byron Johnson and his credentials (01:02) - The cross-centered approach to research and its significance (02:30) - Landmark status of the Global Flourishing Study (03:30) - The biblical concept of abundant life and human flourishing (04:27) - Shift from predicting wrongdoing to understanding positive human behaviors (05:27) - The importance of recovery, rebuilding, and pro-social behaviors (06:55) - The study’s scope: over 20 countries, 200,000 participants, 100 researchers (08:19) - Origins of the study and the importance of spontaneous collaboration (10:09) - Challenges in translation and implementing the study internationally (12:24) - How the study showcases God's goodness through high-quality research (13:20) - The importance of causal inferSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

Dr. Victor Counted discusses the integration of positive psychology and Christian theology to understand and promote human flourishing from a faith-based perspective. Topics include Christian flourishing, spiritual maturity, attachment theory, and the importance of empirical research in faith Dr. Victor Counted is an Associate Professor of Psychology, Director of the Office of Research and Sponsored Programs at Regent University and the Lead for Abundant Life Flourishing Lab. Counted is a Faculty Affiliate of Harvard University’s Human Flourishing Program and a Fellow of the International Society for Science and Religion.  In this episode, Victor discusses the integration of positive psychology and Christian theology to understand and promote human flourishing from a faith-based perspective. Topics include Christian flourishing, spiritual maturity, attachment theory, and the importance of empirical research in faith communities. keywordsChristian flourishing, faith and psychology, spiritual maturity, attachment theory, research in faith communities, abundant life, psychological science, church growth, spiritual vitality key  topicsChristian flourishing frameworkRelationship between faith and psychological well-beingAttachment theory and faith development guest  nameDr. Victor CountedTitlesThe Science of Christian Flourishing: A New FrameworkBonding with God: Unlocking Spiritual Maturity sound bites"Flourishing is a journey, not just outcomes.""Love, passion, and commitment shape our faith.""God is the ultimate attachment figure."Chapters00:00 Introduction and Guest Background01:23 The Abundant Life Flourishing Initiative02:28 Studying Christian Flourishing Scientifically04:55 Developing a Framework for Christian Flourishing07:43 Christian Flourishing vs. Spiritual Maturity10:55 Relationship with Christ as the Foundation of Flourishing15:38 The Role of Behavior in Faith and Flourishing20:55 Love, Commitment, and Passion in Faith25:57 Attachment Theory and Relationship with God33:54 Moving from Attachment to Flourishing44:38 Empirical Research and the Public Good52:41 Rootedness and Resilience in Flourishing Life55:46 Final Reflections and EncouragementsLinks:Global Flourishing Study - https://globalflourishing.org/Bonding with God (Book) - https://www.amazon.com/Bonding-God-Dr-Victor-CountedAbundant Life Flourishing Lab - https://regent.edu/research/abundant-life-flourishingHarvard Human Flourishing Program - https://hfh.harvard.edu/ guest linksTwitter - https://twitter.com/victorcountedLinkedIn - https://linkedin.com/in/victorcountedWebsite - https://victorcounted.comSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

Dr David Eagle is an Associate Research Professor of Global Health and Sociology. He leads the Religion and Social Change Lab (RaSCL) RaSCL. RaSCL is a team of researchers and practitioners who use the tools of social science to deepen understanding, spark conversations, and develop resources for the training and formation of faith leaders and their communities. They work collaboratively with the Duke Clergy Health Initiative (CHI) to promote clergy well-being across the lifecycle and shifting cultural landscapes.He is an expert on the health of religious clergy, the changing role of churches in North American society and the implications of these trends for the professional training of ministers. He has done significant work on burnout, depression and social support. He is the Principal Investigator of The Seminary to Early Ministry Study, a multi-year, multi-cohort study seeking to understand how seminary impacts the health, occupational wellbeing, theology, and career trajectories of students.  In this episode, Dr. David Eagle discusses this particular research.Season 3 of the Clergy Wellbeing Down Under Podcast brings you into the rich conversations shared at the Common Table Global Gathering in Houston earlier in 2026, a collaborative meeting of leading scholars and practitioners committed to clergy and congregational wellbeing. At this interdenominational table, leaders from many christian faith traditions chose to set aside what divides their beliefs and lean into what they hold in common, seeking the common good not only of the church, but of the world—and this season, we’re inviting our guests to continue that same hopeful, cross-tradition dialogue with you. Chapters00:00 Introduction to Dr. David Eagle and His Work03:09 The Clergy Health Initiative: Understanding Clergy Wellbeing06:39 The Seminary to Early Ministry Study: Insights and Findings10:31 Adverse Childhood Experiences and Their Impact on Seminarians13:21 Navigating Vulnerabilities: The Role of Community in Seminary16:49 Political Polarization and Its Effects on Ministry20:12 The Importance of Identity and Belonging in Ministry23:35 Protective Factors for Seminarians: Strengths and Support26:31 The Role of Beliefs and Community in Seminary Experience30:09 Building Human Capacity in Pastoral Leadership33:34 Advice for Early Career Pastors and Ministry Workers37:03 Recommendations for Seminaries and Churches Supporting New Leaders Send us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

Colin Buchanan ministers directly to our ministry kids addressing 7 of the top themes that came up from our survey.  Honestly - this one is best seen on the video version because - well - Colin is in full view with all of the expressions, animations, and actions that is truly Colin.  The link for the video version can be found here.It's a bit of a long episode - skip to the sections if that makes it easier:4:06 Playing the Google AutoComplete Challenge with Colin12:02 Playing Vague Seven Questions and a Tree!13:37 My friends call me weird and think what my parents do is weird19:14 Being busy as a ministry family there's a lot on22:20 I feel like I have to behave better than other kids26:46 I miss out on fun things and hanging out with friends becasue I have to go to church stuff30:43 What can I do when I don't feel like I belong anywhere?35:11 I get lonely sometimes - do you Colin?39:09 What can I pray when things gets hard?42:20 A question about ...a tree....Send us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

Anna Cox who serves with Reach Australia and Michael Jensen (podcast co-host of With All Due Respect) are siblings who share their perspective growing up within the evangelical Christian Anglican community in Sydney.  While Anna and Michael shared the same upbringing, they reflect on how differing personalities can shape one’s response to the ministry family experience. They also share what it was like to grow up surrounded by theological students, their fondest memories of faith communities, and some of the formative experiences growing up in the "fishbowl".Get the full report of our survey findings hereSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

Join me, Valerie Ling, for part 2, as I sit down with Barnabas Piper, author, pastor and son of theologian John Piper, for a candid and helpful conversation about being a pastor's kid. Barnabas shares his personal story of navigating life as a pastor's kid, where the blend of public scrutiny and private faith creates a unique tension of identity and independence. Get the full report of our survey findings here"Pastors' kids are often burdened by others' expectations, but there is a wonderful solution, both at home and in the church: grace. In this revised, refreshed version of Barnabas Piper's best-known book, the author candidly shares his own experiences as son of pastor and bestselling author John Piper, offering a challenge to our churches and to the families at their very heart: how to care for pastors' kids and allow them to find their own faith and identity. Foreword by John Piper."  Quoted from The Wandering Bookseller where you can get the copy of Barnabas Piper's book - The Pastor's Kid: What it's like and how to help.Send us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

Join me, Valerie Ling, as I sit down with Barnabas Piper, author, pastor and son of theologian John Piper, for a candid and helpful conversation about being a pastor's kid. Barnabas shares his personal story of navigating life as a pastor's kid, where the blend of public scrutiny and private faith creates a unique tension of identity and independence.  Get the full report of our survey findings here"Pastors' kids are often burdened by others' expectations, but there is a wonderful solution, both at home and in the church: grace. In this revised, refreshed version of Barnabas Piper's best-known book, the author candidly shares his own experiences as son of pastor and bestselling author John Piper, offering a challenge to our churches and to the families at their very heart: how to care for pastors' kids and allow them to find their own faith and identity. Foreword by John Piper."  Quoted from The Wandering Bookseller where you can get the copy of Barnabas Piper's book - The Pastor's Kid: What it's like and how to help.Send us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

In this conversation, Collett Smart discuss the challenges and nuances of parenting in ministry, particularly focusing on the unique struggles faced by ministry kids. We explore themes of faith, identity, the importance of open communication, and the need for space and privacy for children. The discussion looks at the significance of relationships, understanding, and grace in navigating the complexities of raising children in a ministry context.Get the full report of our survey findings hereSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

In this conversation, I speak with Collett Smart - psychologist, author and speaker in child and adoelscent mental health. Collett hosts the Raising Teens Podcast and is the author of "They'll be okay. 15 Conversations To Help Your Child Through troubled Times "We delve into the complexities of adolescent mental health, particularly within the context of ministry families. We discuss the importance of understanding the adolescent brain, the impact of technology on mental health, and how parents can connect with their children. The conversation looks at ways we can share empathy, effective communication, and parenting support for the challenges faced by ministry kids. Collett shares insights on how parents can support their children through their mental health struggles while navigating their faith journey. The discussion also touches on the importance of creating space for individual needs and the dynamics of family decisions in ministry.To download our full results head hereSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

Growing up in the unique world of ministry life can shapes a child's perspective in unique ways. Marsden Sampson knows this journey intimately, being both a pastor's kid and a missionary kid. He recounts his story of traversing cultural landscapes from Australia to Kenya and back, and how these transitions shaped his understanding of belonging, loneliness, and identity. Marsden's candid reflections illuminate the less-discussed emotional landscape faced by children in ministry settings.To download our full results head hereSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

How can you make church environments inclusive for neurodivergent children, especially those in ministry families serving abroad? Tanya Crossman brings part 2 to her interview with me and shares her lived, and expert insights on this critical topic. Creating a welcoming space for all children in church is more than just a nicety—it's a necessity. Listen as we explore the importance of recognizing each child's individuality, from addressing them by name to understanding their unique interests. We also tackle the formidable challenges faced by ministry families in cross-cultural contexts, particularly in regions with limited support systems. Finally, we delve into the complexities of seeking diagnosis and support for children in international settings. Tanya emphasizes the importance of advanced planning and consistent health assessments for families abroad. We discuss best practices for tracking child development, advocating for access to counselling and training, and the significance of supporting parents. With hope, direction, and gratitude, we aim to foster a supportive environment for families and the gospel. Listen in for a conversation that promises to equip you with the tools and insights needed to support neurodivergent children in ministry families.Resources for ND kids/families:Link to the upcoming workshop we talked aboutSpark Life PsychologySeniaFor a copy of our survey results head here Send us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

Discover the hidden challenges and strengths of Third Culture Kids (TCKs), who grow up outside of their passport country, and how their unique experiences shapes their lives in unexpected ways. In this thought-provoking episode, we sit down with Tanya Crossman, a leading expert on third culture kids (TCKs), who shares her own transformative experiences and groundbreaking research. From her insightful books "Thongs or Flip-Flops" and "Misunderstood" to her pivotal role at TCK Training, Tanya brings a wealth of knowledge and personal stories that will resonate deeply with anyone interested in the complexities of growing up across cultures.Our conversation uncovers the long-term psychological impacts of being a TCK, spotlighting how parental mental health and resource limitations can strain the parent-child bond. We delve into the prolonged identity issues many TCKs face, often recognizing emotional gaps only in their 30s and 40s.Amidst these challenges, there is hope and resilience. Explore the intricate dynamics of TCKs' emotional worlds, from early feelings of uncertainty to the unique ways they navigate friendships in constantly changing environments. We emphasize the critical importance of positive childhood experiences and community support, drawing from our own parenting insights to offer practical tools for fostering emotional and physical safety. This episode is a treasure trove of valuable advice for TCK families, underscoring the importance of resilience and integration to help children thrive despite the obstacles they face.For more on Tanya's work and the wealth of research, resources and upcoming training head over here.For resources and training options in parenting TCKs head over hereTo download our full survey report head over hereSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

In this episode, we sit down with the psychologists who designed and analyzed the Ministry Kids Wellbeing Survey to uncover the key insights and findings that stood out to them. From surprising trends to eye-opening revelations, they share what the kids themselves told us, and what we discovered about the unique challenges and experiences faced by ministry kids. Whether you're a parent, part of a faith community who wants to support ministry kids, or simply curious about the well-being of children growing up in ministry families, this episode offers a behind-the-scenes look at the data, along with practical takeaways to support these kids in thriving under the public gaze. To download the full survey report head over hereSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

In this kick-off episode, we dive into the heart of the Ministry Kids Wellbeing Survey to explore the main findings and what they reveal about the lives of children in ministry families. We unpack key themes that emerged from the survey, shedding light on the unique experiences and challenges ministry children face.  To get a copy of the full report head hereSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

What a joy and privilege to finish our very first season of the podcast with  Christopher Ash -  author of Zeal Without Burnout and The Book Your Pastor Wishes You Would Read But Is Too Embarrassed To Ask. Christopher shares his own journey through burnout and what led to his publications in this area.Christopher shares his personal pearls of wisdom for pastors: the importance of grounding motivation in the promises of the Lord rather than worldly metrics of success, combatting loneliness with long-term friendships, and cultivating a nourishing relationship with God. So join us, and gain a deeper understanding of the highs and lows of pastoral life and the resilience, faith, and grace required to navigate them.Download my research report and reflectionsWatch the video version of this podcastComplete a Clergy Wellbeing Quiz hereSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

As our season draws to a close, I began to contemplate leadership in a wider context, beyond just Australia and parish settings, I was drawn to explore international issues of leadership in gospel work. Jay Matenga, is Director of the Global Witness Dept. and the Mission Commission for the World Evangelical Alliance and Executive Officer for Missions Interlink NZ. Jay Matenga, was raised with indigenous values in a predominantly Eurocentric society. Our conversation will explore Jay’s leadership  journey in the missions space, particularly Jay's approach as a narrative leader who underscores the importance of storytelling in spiritual connection and guidance. We look at the aspects of collective leadership, the importance of mentorship, and the adaptability ingrained in indigenous leadership styles.Leaders today grapple with managing expectations and avoiding burnout, a challenge amplified in Christian leadership where echo chambers can be pervasive. We underscore the necessity of resilience, self-awareness, and the ability to identify when to step back. Jay offers insights into leadership accountability and the shift from performance metrics to a focus on values and overall well-being.Join us to gain a deeper understanding of leadership, the role of missions, and the journey of self-authenticity amid diverse cultural landscapes.Download my research report and reflectionsWatch the video version of this podcastComplete a Clergy Wellbeing Quiz hereSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

As our season draws to a close, I began to contemplate leadership in a wider context, beyond just Australia and parish settings, I was drawn to explore international issues of leadership in gospel work. Marion Knell is a seasoned cross-cultural consultant and trainer with an extensive history spanning nearly three decades. Her expertise stretches across a multitude of sectors, but at its core, Marion's passion lies in fostering resilience and longevity in the lives of cross-cultural workers and their families.Having worked extensively with families overseas,  Marion has garnered a wealth of experience and understanding in preparing adults and children for international assignments. This preparation is not just about the outward journey but also assisting them in their return, ensuring a smooth transition and debriefing experience.Currently, Marion's work involves delivering  training to refugee workers in areas of trauma response, the cultural nuances of dislocation, and overall staff care. Marion is also the author of Burn Up Splash Down and Families On The Move.  She has also been instrumental in establishing the MA in Member Care with Redcliffe College.In this episode, Marion discusses the complex role of church leadership, burnout and the impact on pastors' children.If you are a pastor and want to reach our for professional supervision, or counselling for yourself and/or your family, send me an email: [email protected] my research report and reflectionsWatch the video version of this podcastComplete a Clergy Wellbeing Quiz hereSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

As our season draws to a close, I began to contemplate leadership in a wider context, beyond just Australia and parish settings, I was drawn to explore international issues of leadership in gospel work.  Dive into the complexities of cross-cultural ministry with our guest, Harry Hoffman, a prominent figure in the Missions Member Care Network. With over two decades of experience in cross-cultural ministry and navigating the profound emotional impact of arrests, interrogation, and personal loss, Harry provides a unique insight into stress management, vulnerability, and resilience in ministry and mission.Harry elucidates these nuances and underscores the pivotal role of self-awareness, introspection, and the place of scripture and personal beliefs on individual growth. We delve deep into the intricate relationship between emotions and decision-making, addressing the multifaceted leadership approaches essential for guiding cross-cultural teams and understanding diverse spiritual perspectives.Our exploration further encompasses effective strategies to avert burnout in cross-cultural settings, touching on the significance of peer responsibility. The dialogue transitions to understanding the various dimensions of conflict and the therapeutic value of sharing one's struggles. Join us for a comprehensive episode that seeks to inform, inspire, and navigate the intricate facets of clergy well-being, cross-cultural ministry, international gospel work leadership dynamics, and more.Download my research report and reflectionsWatch the video version of this podcastComplete a Clergy Wellbeing Quiz hereSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

As our season draws to a close, I began to contemplate leadership in a wider context, beyond just Australia and parish settings, I was drawn to explore international issues of leadership in gospel work. Our guest, Timothy Captain from Flourish San Diego, brings his unique insight derived from his PhD thesis, the Holistic Pastoral Well-being Assessment. Timothy provides a comprehensive understanding of pastoral well-being, examining it from spiritual, psychological, physical, social, and economic perspectives.Send us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

As our season draws to a close, I began to contemplate leadership in a wider context, beyond just Australia and parish settings, I was drawn to explore international issues of leadership in gospel work. In this episode we are joined by A.J. Mathieu president of The Malphurs Group. A.J. Mathieu has over 25 years of experience as a business owner, 5 years as an elected official serving local and regional constituencies in north Texas,  and joined The Malphurs Group in 2014.  He co-hosts the Church Revitalization Podcast with Vice-President Scott Ball.   A.J. leads the Strategic Envisioning process in the United States with a limited number of churches each year but spends most of his time on TMG’s international efforts to strengthen churches and build leaders worldwide. He is an international conference speaker and has worked with church leaders in Europe, Africa, South America, and Asia.In this episode, A.J. reflects on my findings, and what he sees in the international church leadership scene.Download my research report and reflectionsWatch the video version of this podcastComplete a Clergy Wellbeing Quiz hereSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

Heads up! We are almost at the end of our season! Having dived in with guests from Australia, I started to think about what the missions and international scene would be able to say to us.  So you will find the next episodes, until we finish, pushes out the perspective and conversation to an international space.Send us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

Join Dr. Chelsea Gill from Bond Business School as we explore the topic of reflective retreats. Chelsea, with her deep insights into clergy retreats, examines the role of attention restoration theory in counteracting mental and emotional exhaustion.We discuss two core types of clergy retreats, educational and reflective, and their structures. Chelsea explains attentional fatigue common among clergy and offers solutions to restore mental energy. Our conversation dives into the elements making reflective retreats impactful, spotlighting social activities and professional development as essential for clergy wellbeing.We also discuss crafting retreats for optimal rejuvenation and share practical tips for activities and taking breaks from technology and work. The emotional benefits of retreats are pivotal for clergy to effectively serve their communities. We conclude by addressing the rhythm and emotional aspects of retreats, emphasizing the need for support in processing emotions. Tune into this episode for valuable insights on enhancing clergy wellbeing through retreats so much so you will want to Advance and not Retreat.  To contact Chelsea: [email protected] you a psychologist ready to join the team of The Centre for Effective Living?Download Dr Chelsea Gill's Retreat InfographicDownload my research report and reflectionsWatch the video version of this podcastComplete a Clergy Wellbeing Quiz hereSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

We are joined by Sam Sterland, Senior Researcher with the National Church Life Survey and we look at the latest findings from the NCLS and how it matches/sheds light on what our (much smaller!) survey found in the clergy wellbeing space.  What does church health have to do with clergy wellbeing? Have we made any progress in leadership sustainability, and what are the key insights we glean from both our findings.Download my research report and reflectionsWatch the video version of this podcastComplete a Clergy Wellbeing Quiz hereSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

Keith and Sarah Condie of the Mental Health and Pastoral Care Institute join us to unpack the numbers from Valerie Ling's survey on rates of burnout and resignation thinking among our clergy.   We talk about the often-hidden struggles of church leaders, the pressures they face and the need to have an unwavering façade. The conversation throws a spotlight on the how a lack of encouragement and care can have on ministers, fostering self-doubt and a sense of isolation.We further look at the meaning of "reputation" in church leadership, characteristics of a compassionate church, and accommodating the unexpected.Download my research report and reflectionsWatch the video version of this podcastComplete a Clergy Wellbeing Quiz hereSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

In this episode,  Vikki Napier, Head of Human Resources at the Anglican Church Diocese Of Sydney, reflects on her corporate HR experience and the church context.  What surprises her, what she thinks we are doing well, where we have a way to go, and where we can add value to our churches from a human and humane resourcing perspective.Download my research report and reflectionsWatch the video version of this podcastComplete a Clergy Wellbeing Quiz hereSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

**EPISODE TRIGGER WARNING**This episode contains some discussion about suicide, violence, and other potentially traumatic material. Listener discretion is strongly advised. If you or someone you know is struggling, please seek professional help or, in Australia contact Lifeline 13 11 14. Jo Muirhead is a Rehabilitation Counsellor and is the founder of Purple Co.   Purple Co facilitates workplace recovery by emphasizing the holistic integration of health, recovery, purpose and choice. In this episode, Jo relates how there are vocational hazards in the helping and serving professions that are not always evident. She relays her experience in assessing and re-designing work roles in high stress, high pressure roles, to manage burnout and psychosocial risk.  Jo shares her work riding in ambulances observing and detailing what pressures are unseen, and how revealing one statement by an ambo "Don't take us out of the truck!" relates to wellbeing in ministry. Download my research report and reflectionsWatch the video version of this podcastComplete a Clergy Wellbeing Quiz hereSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

 Imagine an environment where safety and well-being are prioritized, where trust and transparency are key, and conflicts are handled in a constructive manner. These are the ingredients of psychological safety. Psychological safety refers to a work environment where individuals feel comfortable taking risks, expressing their thoughts, and making mistakes without fear of punishment or humiliation.  Psychosocial hazards are broader and pertain to all aspects of work design, organisational structures, and social dynamics that can lead to psychological or physical harm. This could include things like excessive workload, lack of role clarity, workplace bullying, and poor organisational culture. They are separate and intertwined.   Katharine Moore, an expert in workplace safety and health, joins me on the podcast to unwrap this very topic, based on findings from my clergy well-being and leadership survey.From my survey, the following experiences of offensive behaviour experienced by clergy over the past 12 months were reported:·      Sexual harassment: 6%·      Threats of and actual violence: 8%·      Bullying: 31%·      Unpleasant teasing: 27%·      Conflicts and quarrels: 78%·      Gossip and slander: 53% Clergy burnout was found to be related to the level of offensive behaviours experienced by clergy.  Through our discussion, we tackle the physical and psychological burdens of various job roles, the crucial role of job design and task rotation, and the complexities of budgets, governance, and compliance.Katharine has built a strong reputation for her excellence in Safety and Injury Management.  She believes in engaging & empowering workers to build a proactive safety culture in the workplace which will lead to greater levels of overall compliance.She works at a Senior Leadership level in a multi-national corporate where she influences business decisions  to create a workplace that is:• Safe from physical and psychological harm• Promotes whole-person wellbeing• Fully accessible & inclusive • Empowers team to meet their full potentialOur conversation delves  into the heart of church conflict and consider how a lack of transparency may foster an environment ripe for bullying. By exploring the difference between psychosocial and psychological safety, we illuminate how churches can work alongside partner practices to foster a secure environment where team members feel safe providing feedback. Download my research report and reflectionsWatch the video version of this podcastComplete a Clergy Wellbeing Quiz hereSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

TRIGGER WARNING: Please note that this episode discusses trauma and sexual violence which some listeners may find distressing or emotionally challenging.  In Australia, If you require support, please contact Lifeline on 13 11 14 and/or 1800RESPECT.One of the key findings in Valerie’s research was the levels of burnout and the personal violence experienced by women in ministry.  Her guest in today’s episode is Rev Dr Megan Powell du Toit – ordained Baptist minister, Publishing Manager at the Australian College of Theology and co-host of the With All Due Respect podcast.  In this candid episode,  Megan offers an intimate perspective on the myriad of challenges and biases faced by women in the ministry.  Our conversation explores the systemic issues prevalent in the religious arena, with a critical focus on the alarming underbelly of sexual assault and gender violence therein.  We explore the impact of a woman's formative history in shaping her pastoral journey. As we wrap up, we delve into the ways we can support, amplify, and uplift the voices of women in ministry. Download my research report and reflectionsWatch the video version of this podcastComplete a Clergy Wellbeing Quiz hereSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

Dave & Kathy Thurston have been married for over 40 years and have three grown up children. They have been in ministry in one form or another for nearly forty years. Five and a half years ago Dave and Kathy Thurston left Sydney and parish ministry to work in the Presbyterian Church of Queensland. Their brief was mentoring pastors and their wives, training other to be mentors, develop a post college training program as well as various other ventures. Six months ago, they returned to their three adult children and wider family but not to the inner west. They now live in Blackheath on two acres where God willing they will build a Christian Retreat centre. They love working with their brothers and sisters in Christian ministry to be healthy and fruitful followers of Jesus. They continue to train people to be mentors through Mentor Equipping Queensland In this episode they share their story, their journey and they deepest longings for ministry to be joyful and sustainable. They share their wisdom on how mentoring, combined with spiritual development and health, plays a critical role in ministry. The episode takes a deep look into the importance of emotional awareness, spiritual maturity, and understanding our emotions under the guidance of Jesus for effective leadership. Download my research report and reflectionsWatch the video version of this podcastComplete a Clergy Wellbeing Quiz hereSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

The Trinity Network has its origin at Trinity Church Adelaide, which was established in 1836 .  Paul and Sue Harrington share their story of 35 years in ministry with the network, which now consists of 14 churches across Adelaide and South Australia. Dive into the Harringtons' candid thoughts about juggling ministry life and family, the connection that spouses need, and their reflections on the structures that help and hinder our churches, their leaders and their families from doing life and faith together.Download my research report and reflectionsWatch the video version of this podcastComplete a Clergy Wellbeing Quiz hereSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

A message from Valerie as the next episodes get published.Send us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

Today, we're joined by Professor Donald Guthrie.  Professor Donald Guthrie teaches at Trinity International University, and is the co-author of Resilient Ministry: What Pastors Told us about Surviving and Thriving, a book based on a five-year intensive research project on the frontlines of pastoral ministry.  In this episode, he shares with Valerie his insights on social media conflict, the dangers of isolation, what helps clergy spouses flourish, the need for spiritual and emotional formation, and the value of professional and peer support.Download my research report and reflectionsWatch the video version of this podcastComplete a Clergy Wellbeing Quiz hereReflection Questions:Reflect on your current levels of physical, emotional, spiritual and mental health.  Which areas are most in need of restoration?Consider your attitude towards, and involvement with, social media.  Are you demonstrating a ‘winsome witness’ and ‘gospel savvy’?Who would you consider to be your closest friends?  What’s your level of connection with them?If you’re married, how would you respond to the statements: ‘I have friends’, ‘My spouse has friends’, ‘We have friends?’If you’re married, what is your spouse’s involvement with church?  How do they feel about it?What professional supports, if any, do you have in place? Are there any additional ones you’d like to arrange?  What is your response to the idea of professional counselling as a preventative measure?Do you have any ‘similar others’ in your life?  Is there anyone who could fit that role for you, and vice versa?Have you fallen into the trap of confusing your identity with your role?  How does that reveal itself?  What gospel truths might you need to preach to yourself?Send us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

Ever feel like you're on the brink of burnout, especially in these pandemic-ridden times? You're not alone. On today's episode, we've got the honour of hosting Dr. Grant Bickerton, who takes a deep dive into the changing landscape of Christian ministry and how it's impacting those on the front lines. We begin by exploring the unique challenges and psychological toll the pandemic has had on Christian workers, resulting in significant loss and grief that can eventually lead to burnout.We also dive into the murky waters of job satisfaction and wellbeing in ministry. Grant shares his views on isolation and loneliness among Christian workers and provides insights on why many are reluctant to admit they're considering leaving ministry. We also talk candidly about the complexities of family suffering as a driver for self-sacrificial roles in ministry and the critical need for measuring and addressing the causes of burnout.Further into the episode, we confront some tough issues such as conflict, bullying, and leadership dynamics within ministry. We examine the damaging implications of workplace conflicts and potential bullying, and delve into the importance of accepting leadership and understanding the role of personal development and self-care plans. Finally, we discuss how to best nurture and empower team members, stressing the importance of providing room for growth and risk-taking. Join us for this gripping conversation with Dr. Bickerton and learn how we can navigate through these challenging times in ministry together.Are you a ministry leader looking for a pastoral/professional supervisor?  Perhaps you are needing some counselling support? Send me an email: [email protected] notes and reflection questionsDownload my research report and reflectionsWatch the video version of this podcastComplete a Clergy Wellbeing Quiz hereSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

Join Rev Archie Poulos and myself as we explore this episode -  'In the Trenches: Understanding the Modern Pastoral Experience,' as we look at the complex world of church leadership. Archie is Head of Ministry (Moore Theological College) and MinistryDirector, (Centre for Ministry Development). Based on Archie's PhD research, and mine, we explore the evolving nature of ministry, the hidden pressures facing clergy, and their impacts on families and personal life. We discuss crucial topics like leadership theories, burnout, and the paradox between convictions and behaviors. This episode also offers important advice for pastors, congregations, and denominational leaders. Dive in as we navigate the challenging yet rewarding landscape of pastoral ministry.Show notes and reflection questionsDownload my research report and reflectionsWatch the video version of this podcastComplete a Clergy Wellbeing Quiz hereSend us Fan MailPodcast Disclaimer:Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!