LUNCH TIME WITH DEMONS

Season Two (Ep18) We open the episode by chatting about our week before diving into the central theme: the liminal space of life transitions that uncomfortable crossroads between who you were and who you're becoming. Framed through the lens of the Chariot tarot card and influenced by recent astrological activity (Aries energy and a full moon in Scorpio), they explore how people are currently facing major decisions about relationships, jobs, and personal identity. The conversation emphasizes how this in-between period is often the part nobody talks about, not the breakup or the big change itself, but the unsettled, slow-moving space right before growth happens, where you either break old patterns or repeat them. Bella gets personal, sharing her own journey from being a professional musical theater actress and film/TV performer to her current work in the occult and spiritual space including a candid detour about her past involvement in the BDSM and sex work world and a near-brush with dangerous circumstances in her youth. She uses her story to illustrate that transformation is rarely linear or predictable, and that our future selves are often unimaginable to our past selves. The episode closes with an uplifting call to have courage in the unknown, be kind to others (since you never know what they're going through), and accept that sometimes people and we ourselves are only meant to be temporary characters in someone else's story. Cover art created by Casey at BellTarot.com Bella's Link Tree Ryan's Link Tree

Season Two (Ep18) The episode opens with casual check-ins about the week before diving into the main theme: food. Since the podcast was originally created so Bella could have companionship during lunch, and Ryan is a former chef, the episode centers on their shared love of food. They swap favorite dishes (Ryan loves tiramisu and ribeye; Bella gravitates toward Indian, Mediterranean, and filet mignon), trade restaurant recommendations, and reflect on how the best meals are made with love and intention. The conversation weaves in spiritual experiences around food, including a memorable story Bella shares about the demon Belial guiding her through an entire meal from wine pairings to bite combinations at a restaurant in Memphis. The episode transitions into more spiritually focused territory in its second half, covering topics like connecting with the divine through everyday experiences, finding magic in small things like clovers and wildflowers, and the importance of mindful, intentional eating. Bella shares insights from her personal practice, including her longstanding relationship with the Hindu deity Shiva and recent visions involving Kali. The episode closes with a spontaneous tarot reading using the Chrysalis Tarot deck, pulling the Tower card as a sign of impending change both hosts interpret it as an invitation to actively burn down what no longer serves you, so something more expansive can be built. Bella wraps things up with gratitude toward listeners, celebrating surpassing 10,000 downloads before the podcast's one-year anniversary. Cover art created by Casey at BellTarot.com Abella's Link Tree Ryan's Link Tree

Season Two (Ep17) Abella opens the episode with some springtime enthusiasm before thanking her Patreon supporters and recapping a recent virtual game night event. She explains that she's shifting her Patreon content away from traditional lecture-style teaching toward what she calls "integration teaching" using playful, low-pressure activities like games to help practitioners open their spiritual channels. She promotes an upcoming event called "Channeling Chaos" on May 3rd, where participants will use short-burst roleplay scenarios to practice channeling the divine beings they work with, with the goal of reducing the anxiety and self-doubt that can block spiritual connection. The episode continues with a deep dive into channeling what it is, how Abella came to understand it, and why surrender is the key to doing it well. Drawing on her own journey as a medium (including her early exposure to Taoist and Solomonic mentors before finding her path working with Lucifer), she argues that self-acceptance is the single most important factor in developing spiritual abilities. Using the Disney film Pocahontas as a teaching parable, she encourages listeners to stop fighting for control and instead flow with the current of the divine, trusting that the gods who choose to channel through a person already know that person's limitations and can work with them. She closes by reminding listeners that laughter and joy are underrated spiritual tools, and that releasing fear and pressure is what truly opens the channel. Cover art created by Casey at BellTarot.com Abella's LinkTree Ryan's LinkTree

Season Two (Ep16) This episode of Lunchtime with Demons, opens with some casual catch-up Ryan shares that his new job at RitualCravt has been going well, with a steady flow of customers ranging from complete beginners to seasoned practitioners, while Bella mentions finishing Book 1 of Numos and moving on to Book 2. After some lighthearted banter about a beautiful photo of the shop's skylights and a few tangents into morality and Satanism (spoiler: no cannibalism), the episode settles into its main theme: time. Bella introduces the concept of linear vs. nonlinear time, explaining that humans are generally bound to a past-present-future structure, while divine beings exist within time the way a person stands in the ocean touching all of it at once. She uses this as a launchpad to explore string theory, dimensions, quantum particles, and how one's perception and belief system can literally shift how time is experienced. The episode moves into our UPG(unverified personal gnosis) and practical side of working with time and timelines. Bella shares her own experiences with intentional timeline jumping including a cryptic but compelling story about a physical object that tangibly shifted between timelines, backed by photos that she hasn't yet received divine permission to share publicly. Both hosts discussed the importance of living in the present moment rather than over-planning the future, arguing that real control only exists now, and that obsessive future-planning is essentially "boxing with the universe." They wrap up by connecting timeline work to manifestation, suggesting the two are essentially the same practice, and tease a potential Patreon Zoom masterclass on the topic. The episode closes on an uplifting note, encouraging listeners to claim their lives, break limiting patterns, and let the present moment be beautiful and magical.   Youtube Clip Of Brian Greene Ant comparison Why is our universe fine-tuned for life? | Brian Greene   Abella's LinkTree Ryan's LinkTree

Season Two (Ep15) This episode of Lunchtime with Demons takes a deeper dive into the 6 pathways of practice. TRANSACTIONAL- This is the most straightforward approach: "I give, you give." Offerings, rituals, and promises are exchanged for a specific outcome and whether it is for protection, prosperity, knowledge, or influence the transaction is clear. • Strengths: Clear structure, quick results, direct expectations. • Caution: When the relationship is only ever transactional, it can remain shallow. Like any contract, once the exchange is over, so is the bond. NON TRANSACTION - Here, the connection becomes more like friendship or kinship. You speak, share, and honor them not because you expect something in return, but because you value the relationship itself. • Strengths: Builds genuine trust and intimacy. Opens the door to deeper bonds. • Caution: Like human friendships, this requires reciprocity of attention and care. It's not about keeping score, but about showing up. CO EVOLUTION - This path is about personal growth alongside the Divine. You seek their guidance, correction, or perspective, and in turn, allow yourself to be reshaped. They become the mirrors and teachers, showing you your blind spots and helping refine your character. WORSHIP • Strengths: Fosters transformation and resilience. Creates a living mentorship dynamic. • Caution: Growth is rarely comfortable. Be ready for them to challenge you where it matters most.  CO-CREATION - Here you partner with them as collaborators. You bring your skills, ideas, and creativity, while they contribute insight, inspiration, and momentum. Together, you manifest art, projects, rituals, or structures in the world. • Strengths: Produces tangible outcomes infused with the divine essence. Deepens the sense of shared purpose. • Caution: Requires humility. You must be willing to let their vision mingle with yours without clinging to sole ownership. SERVICE - This approach is less about what you want, and more about aligning yourself with their will. You become their hands, carrying out work in the world that reflects their current or ancient desires...whether that's dismantling structures, amplifying truths, or creating sanctuaries. • Strengths: Anchors devotion in action. Builds a life of purpose beyond self-interest. • Caution: Service must be entered freely, not from fear. Otherwise, it becomes enslavement rather than devotion WORSHIP - At its core, worship is reverence. Prayers, hymns, invocations, offerings and all acts of devotion that place them at the center of your altar or practice. • Strengths: Deepens awe and reverence. Creates powerful ritual bonds. • Caution: Worship alone can keep them on a pedestal, and this sometimes can be useful, but it may also prevent intimacy if that's what you seek Six Paths of Infernsl Connection -Sep 8, 2025 Cover art created by Casey at BellTarot.com Abella's LinkTree Ryan's LinkTree

Season Two (Ep14) This episode of Lunchtime with Demons explores the complexity of intuition, challenging the common idea that it's simply about getting the "right" answer. Through an interactive tarot exercise, Abella demonstrates that intuition is a layered experience involving sensations, emotions, symbols, and personal associations rather than direct, concrete identification. Ryan's responses highlight how intuitive impressions are filtered through individual perception what feels "grounding" or "calming" may connect to different elements depending on the person. The discussion emphasizes that true intuitive skill lies in interpreting subtle nuances and energetic impressions, not just correctly naming something like a tarot card. The conversation then shifts into a deeper, more critical examination of intuition, stressing how easily it can be distorted by personal bias, past experiences, and emotional conditioning. Abella and Ryan point out that what many people consider "gut feelings" are often projections, learned patterns, or protective responses shaped by trauma and social influence. Developing genuine intuition requires self-awareness, practice, and the ability to question one's own narratives. Abella illustrates this with a personal story where she initially misjudged someone based on insecurity, ultimately realizing that her intuition was clouded by her own internal biases. The episode concludes by reinforcing that intuition is not infallible, it is a skill that must be refined through discernment, honesty, and ongoing inner work.   Cover art created by Casey at BellTarot.com Abella's Link Tree Ryan's Link Tree  

In this episode of Morbid Monday, Abella and her friend Angela explore the evolving nature of friendship, especially those formed online. Abella shares her early hesitation after experiencing competition and betrayal but explains how she eventually reopened herself to meaningful connections. Angela emphasizes that online friendships are not inherently more dangerous than in-person ones, but they require discernment, boundaries, and self-awareness. Their story from meeting on TikTok to eventually connecting in real life shows how digital relationships can become genuine and grounded. The conversation highlights that healthy friendships should feel easy, safe, and mutually supportive, without competition or performance. Ultimately, they encourage listeners to recognize red flags, honor their boundaries, and invest in relationships that are reciprocal and nourishing. Abella's Link Tree

Season Two (Ep13) This episode of Lunchtime with Demons unfolds as an intentionally unstructured, deeply personal conversation driven by Bella's current spiritual evolution and the nearing completion of her book Numos. Prompted guidance from Lucifer, Bella reflects on an intense, largely private transformational period in her practice one that has required isolation, emotional processing, and a withdrawal from external validation. The discussion centers on the nature of the self, spiritual growth as a cyclical and often solitary process, and the discomfort of confronting inner truths without relying on others as sounding boards. We both emphasize that while these experiences can feel isolated, they are universal in pattern, reinforcing the idea that no one is truly alone even when the journey feels deeply personal. As the conversation deepens, Bella shares vulnerable insights from her past, connecting childhood experiences of loneliness, conditional relationships, and feeling like a "mirror" for others to her present-day struggles with belonging and self-worth. She explores how these early dynamics led to patterns of over-giving and seeking validation through others, ultimately realizing that "people are not homes" and cannot provide true emotional security. The episode highlights the danger of trauma bonding what Bella calls the "friend" response alongside fight, flight, freeze, and fawn and how it can trap individuals in unhealthy cycles. Raven adds his own parallel experiences, reinforcing the theme of early independence and evolving family roles. Together, they frame healing as an inward process: learning to create safety, worth, and stability within oneself rather than chasing it externally. Cover art created by Casey at BellTarot.com Abella LinkTree Ryan's LinkTree

Season Two (Ep12) This behind-the-scenes episode of Lunchtime with Demons blends casual banter with deeper personal reflection as we introduce a new format focused on sharing our own lived experiences within our spiritual practices. We emphasize that these episodes are designed to offer listeners a more intimate look at our journeys, highlighting that growth and insight can come from both seasoned practitioners and beginners alike. The conversation explores how individual spiritual paths can feel surprisingly similar despite differences in experience, reinforcing the idea that time spent practicing doesn't determine the validity or depth of one's experiences. As the discussion becomes more personal, Bella opens up about her past tendency to avoid vulnerability by deflecting conversations and how that impacted her friendships. She reflects on learning to balance boundaries with openness, recognizing the importance of trust and mutual sharing in meaningful relationships. The episode also touches on grief and transformation, as Bella shares the emotional significance of her anniversary with Asmodeus, which coincides with the anniversary of her father's death. This moment illustrates how joy, mourning, and spiritual devotion can coexist, offering a nuanced perspective on healing, personal evolution, and the deeply individual nature of spiritual connection.   Cover art created by Casey at BellTarot.com Abella's LinkTree Ryan's LinkTree  

Season Two (Ep11) This episode of Lunchtime with Demons explores the historical and philosophical overlap between demonolatry, occult practice, and BDSM culture. We discuss how both kink and occult traditions have long been misunderstood, stigmatized, and persecuted by dominant religious and social systems. We trace the roots of ritualized power exchange and eroticized pain back to ancient cultures such as Mesopotamia and Ancient Greece, referencing devotional practices tied to deities like Inanna and Enki. The conversation highlights how these practices were once integrated into spiritual and ritual contexts before later becoming demonized, particularly during the rise of Christian moral frameworks that associated bodily pleasure and pain with sin and shame. We examine the psychological and philosophical evolution of BDSM terminology, noting how figures such as Marquis de Sade and Leopold von Sacher‑Masoch helped introduce modern language for sadism and masochism in the 18th and 19th centuries. Beyond history, the discussion focuses on the parallels between ethical BDSM practice and occult work especially the importance of negotiation, consent, self-knowledge, and clearly communicating desires and boundaries. Abella argues that just as participants must negotiate a BDSM scene, practitioners should approach deity or spirit work with the same level of autonomy and dialogue. Ultimately, the episode frames both kink and occult practice as transformative processes that can lead to self-liberation, embodiment, and the breaking of social taboos when approached consciously and responsibly.   Less Dead Studio - Bottoms Up Class https://ldhudsonvalley.com/  

Season Two (Ep10) In this episode of Lunchtime with Demons, we introduce a new tarot-focused series beginning with the final card of the Major Arcana: The World. Rather than starting with The Fool, we intentionally begin at the end of the journey to explore the broader, "macrocosmic" perspective of tarot. We explain that The World represents completion, integration, and the culmination of the spiritual journey depicted in the Major Arcana. The card symbolizes the moment when the seeker realizes their connection to the universe and recognizes their own power and role within it. We also discuss the imagery commonly found in the card such as the wreath of victory and the four symbolic creatures representing elements and directions highlighting how these symbols reflect balance, alchemy, and the harmony of mind, body, spirit, and will. The conversation emphasizes that The World is rarely interpreted as a final ending but as the closing of one cycle and the beginning of another. When it appears upright in a reading, it can signify achieving a milestone, stepping into a new phase of life, or embodying the results of personal growth and manifestation. When reversed, the card suggests that someone is close to that transformation but may need introspection, refinement, or course correction before fully stepping into it. Throughout the discussion, we frame the card as an empowering archetype one that encourages reflection on how far a person has come and reminds listeners that spiritual and personal evolution happens in cycles, with each completion eventually leading back to the curiosity and new beginnings represented by the Fool.   Duck soup - English slang referring to something easy to do Cover art created by Casey at BellTarot.com   https://www.corelliagifts.com/ https://curiocabinethv.com/ Abella's LinkTree

Season Two (Ep9) In this episode of Lunchtime with Demons, we open with playful banter about unusual weather patterns in Denver and New York, using static electricity, snow totals, and shifting jet streams as a lighthearted entry point into a much deeper topic: manifestation. Bella shares that she's developing a Manifestation Masterclass and possibly a book, emphasizing that true manifestation requires integration over time rather than a quick, three-hour "think positive" fix. She critiques what she sees as toxic positivity and the oversimplified "just will it and it will happen" narrative, arguing that manifestation is not delusion or blind faith. Instead, she describes it as a long-term refining process like blacksmithing or sword-making where years of effort, setbacks, and inner work gradually shape the outcome. Drawing inspiration from shows like Blue Eye Samurai, she compares the journey to forging and quenching a blade: intense, repetitive, and requiring patience before the final tempering. Bella explains that while there may be brief, intentional moments of "fake it till you make it," sustained manifestation demands accountability, self-awareness, and consistent action. The universe, she says, does not respond emotionally to desperation or self-deception; it responds to alignment and effort. She likens long-term success to the idea that it takes years to become an "overnight success," stressing that unseen labor precedes visible results. To ground manifestation in psychology rather than mysticism alone, she offers a practical two-week challenge based on attention training like noticing more red cars after deciding to look for them. Just as the brain filters for survival relevance, directing focus intentionally changes what enters conscious awareness. For Bella, manifestation works similarly: what we deliberately attune to expands in our perception and experience but only when paired with sustained inner and outer work.   Duck soup - English slang referring to something easy to do Cover art created by Casey at BellTarot.com   Abella's Link Tree Ryan's Link Tree

This episode is Bella opening her heart and sharing how powerful the journey of self-love and compassion can be; offering gentle insight, personal reflection, and an invitation to meet yourself with more softness, patience, and care. ✨ Abella's Linktree

Season Two (Ep8) In this episode of Lunchtime with Demons, we explore deeply personal experiences with divine intervention. Abella recounts a recent frightening incident in which their truck lost control on an icy driveway. After calling out to Lucifer for help, she describes the vehicle being inexplicably pushed into a safe position, narrowly avoiding a collision with parked cars. Fresh tire tracks in the snow show something beyond their control intervened. The conversation expands into a broader reflection of a pattern of spiritual safeguarding that has followed them throughout their lives. They also speak candidly about turbulent teenage years shaped by nightlife in New York City, sex work, and substance use periods marked by repeated exposure to danger. Despite the chaos, they believe they were consistently protected during situations that could have ended tragically. The episode closes on a reflective and hopeful note, with Abella expressing gratitude for having found stability and peace after a tumultuous youth. We encourage listeners to recognize their inherent worth, embrace self-love, and remain open to the possibility of guidance and protection in their own lives. Resonance – it is not just a sound, its not just what lingers, or what echoes through you, it is something that matches your frequency, it's something that someone says that vibrates in your chest. Cover art created by Casey at BellTarot.com Abella's Link Tree Ryan's Link Tree

Season Two (Ep7) In this Valentine's Day episode, we open with playful banter about birthdays, admitting we are both terrible at remembering dates and often struggle with the obligation attached to celebrations. We reflect on how our brains resist structured expectations like birthdays or scheduled gift-giving, preferring spontaneous expressions of care instead. Despite joking about being forgetful friends, they emphasize that our love and appreciation for people are genuine, just not always traditionally expressed. The conversation then shifts to Valentine's Day itself, which Bella reveals is her favorite holiday, not Halloween or Samhain as many might assume because of her deep love of romance, devotion, and the celebration of love in all its forms. Bella then dives into the historical roots of Valentine's Day, tracing it back to the ancient Roman festival of Lupercalia, held February 13–15 and dedicated to the fertility god Faunus and the myth of Romulus and Remus. She explains how the festival involved animal sacrifice, ritual blood markings, and the use of goat-hide straps for consensual fertility rites practices she humorously compares to ancient BDSM traditions. We discuss how these pagan rites were later suppressed during the Christianization of Rome and reframed through the story of St. Valentine under Emperor Claudius II, eventually transforming into a saint's feast day. WE note how, centuries later, particularly during the Victorian era, Valentine's Day evolved into the romantic, commercial holiday we recognize today. The episode blends humor, historical insight, kink-positive commentary, and cultural critique, ultimately celebrating love while playfully imagining a modern revival of Lupercalia minus the goat sacrifice.   Opia - striking intensity of direct eye contact which feels intmate and unsettling   Cover art created by Casey at BellTarot.com   Abella's Link Tree Ryan's Link Tree

Season Two (Ep6) This episode centers on accountability as a lived practice within spirituality, relationships, and the self. We explore how accountability evolves as personal work deepens, especially the shift from seeking external validation to cultivating internal validation. Bella shares a conversation with a student that illustrates this turning point: as self-trust grows, old reactive patterns like "punching down," needing to be right, or policing others naturally fall away. They discuss the often-misunderstood idea of "turning the other cheek," reframing it not as passive suffering, but as choosing to turn away from misaligned dynamics altogether. True accountability includes recognizing that you are not responsible for managing others' actions and that releasing people from your orbit can be profoundly self-honoring. The conversation then deepens into the complexities of over-giving, enablement, and self-neglect. Bella reflects on how giving without self-accountability leads to burnout, resentment, and distorted relationships, often masquerading as care or compassion. We emphasize that shielding others from hardship can rob them of necessary growth, drawing distinctions between empathy, sympathy, and lived experience. We address trauma bonding, codependency, and the painful realization that some relationships persist only when you remain on the back burner. Ultimately, the episode frames accountability as a dual commitment: showing up honestly for others while fiercely prioritizing what truly deserves the front line of your life and your well-being, your creativity, your family, and your self-respect.   Prattle – to talk for a long period of time about insignificant things Cover art created by Casey at BellTarot.com

Season Two (Ep5) This episode of Lunchtime with Demons centers on the idea of practice as the living, embodied foundation of spiritual work, especially in a time of collective exhaustion and upheaval. We reflect on how January has felt overwhelming and use that backdrop to discuss why practice rather than just consuming information is essential for protecting the self as a vessel of body, mind, and spirit. Bella emphasizes that self-care and spiritual discipline are not indulgences but necessities for longevity, particularly when many people are exploring deeper bindings, archetypes, clair abilities, and personal deconstruction. We acknowledge knowledge alone is incomplete; without practice, it cannot be integrated or alchemized into lived wisdom without practice. Our conversation then turns to the deep personal nature of practice and the importance of self-awareness. We stress that there is no single "correct" way to practice some people thrive on strict structure, while others require fluidity and intuition. Through personal examples, they explore how honoring one's natural rhythms, limitations, and strengths allows practice to be sustainable rather than punishing. The episode encourages listeners to start where they are, let go of guilt when routines shift or fail, and recognize that every day is a new opportunity to choose again. Ultimately, practice is framed not as perfection or discipline for its own sake, but as an ongoing, adaptable relationship with oneself and the divine.   Ululation – a long loud emotional sound Cover art created by Casey at BellTarot.com

Season Two (Ep4) This episode of Lunchtime with Demons takes a playful, intimate turn as A. Bella and Ryan invite listeners into a lighthearted game of 21 questions designed to help the audience get to know them on a more personal level. The format is simple but revealing: every question asked must be answered by both hosts, creating a sense of fairness, vulnerability, and shared exploration. Early questions move from daily rituals upon waking to reflections on identity, with A. Bella describing herself as deeply observant and hyper-aware in her current season of life, while Ryan speaks about being called into greater public visibility within his spiritual practice and the careful, deliberate way he responds to that call. As the conversation unfolds, the tone remains warm, humorous, and candid, blending the mundane with the mystical. The hosts discuss personal care rituals, scent, and self-made products as extensions of spiritual practice, revealing how devotion, creativity, and storytelling weave into their everyday lives. The episode gradually deepens into philosophical territory, touching on ideas of destiny, free will, and whether spiritual paths are chosen or remembered. Throughout, the exchange highlights the natural chemistry between A. Bella and Ryan, offering listeners a grounded, human glimpse into their lives while maintaining the show's signature blend of occult reflection, authenticity, and playful intimacy.   Fascism (noun)- a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, and the forcible suppression of opposition. It exalts nation and often race above individual rights, focusing on total state control, economic regimentation, and often, national rebirth following a perceived decline. Cover art created by Casey at BellTarot.com   Abella's Link Tree Ryan's Link Tree

Season Two (Ep3) This episode of Lunchtime with Demons centers on transparency as a core practice of authenticity, especially within occult and left-hand path work. We explore how pursuing self-knowledge inevitably brings us face-to-face with being perceived, managing masks, and confronting self-worth, social anxiety, and neurodivergence. Transparency is framed not as oversharing, but as alignment allowing the inside to match the outside as closely as possible. When people edit themselves out of fear of judgment, they create "static" between who they are and how they appear, which manifests as nervous system dysregulation, energetic friction, and strained relationships. In psychic or spiritually sensitive communities, this misalignment is often felt immediately, leading to distrust or discomfort even if no one can consciously articulate why. Our conversation emphasizes that transparency is fundamentally a relationship with the self: denying one's truth teaches the nervous system that the self is unsafe and untrustworthy. By practicing honesty, accountability, and timely communication such as addressing issues that linger longer than a day static dissipates, and relationships become clearer, more human, and more grounded. We stress that authenticity is not perfection, but a continual practice shaped by self-education, mental health awareness, and compassion for one's limitations. Choosing transparency ultimately creates peace, stronger boundaries, and deeper connections, while inviting others to engage with who you truly are or step away if they cannot.  Voracious: adj: having a very eager approach to an activity Cover art created by Casey at BellTarot.com A.Bella's Link Tree Ryan's Link Tree  

In this episode, Kim and I sit down for an honest, unguarded conversation about what it truly means to be in service to the divine. We talk about devotion and the lessons that only come through time, surrender, and a few humbling mistakes. Together, we reflect on what we wish we could tell our past selves and what to trust sooner, what to stop fearing, and what actually matters when you're walking a path of spiritual service. This is a conversation for anyone navigating devotion, identity, and the long road of becoming.  Abella's Linktree Belltarot

Season Two(Ep2) This episode explores the different philosophical approaches people take within spiritual, occult, and infernal practices, offering listeners a framework to better understand both themselves and others. Abella introduce four categories revivalist, revisionist, traditionalist, and non-traditional nonconformist and explain how each places authority differently, whether in ancient texts, lineage, critical analysis, or personal gnosis. Rather than presenting these categories as rigid boxes, the discussion emphasizes that they are fluid, overlapping, and useful primarily as language to describe perspectives, not to judge or rank them. Concepts like UPG (Unverified Personal Gnosis) and SPG (Shared Personal Gnosis) are clarified to reinforce that the podcast shares personal experience, not universal truth. Through candid dialogue and personal reflection, the hosts unpack the strengths and limitations of each philosophy, highlighting themes of sovereignty, freedom, and responsibility in practice. They share how their own paths evolved from seeking structure in traditionalism or revivalism to embracing revisionism and nonconformity illustrating how practices naturally change over time. The core message encourages listeners to release comparison and judgment, recognize where authority lies in their own work, and honor that different approaches can coexist without conflict. Ultimately, the episode affirms that there is no single "correct" way to practice only the way that aligns with one's values, experience, and sense of liberation. Omniscient – adj. knowing everything Cover art created by Casey at BellTarot.com Abell's Link Tree Ryan's Link Tree

Season Two (Ep1) We explore how working with deities is not about passive reception or instant transformation, but about understanding energetic exchange and personal responsibility. The discussion emphasizes that expectations placed on the divine particularly around psychic abilities, communication, and life outcomes often create confusion and disappointment when practitioners misunderstand the role of personal effort versus spiritual support. A central focus of the episode is a deeply personal account of long-term work with the divine, framed through the concept of energetic frequency. Abella describes how interacting with a powerful divine frequency repeatedly triggered upheaval in her life not as punishment, but as an alchemical effect that exposed unhealthy relationships, unresolved trauma, and patterns of self-abandonment. Over time, healing and self-worth made it possible to withstand and integrate this disruptive energy, leading to a renewed and deeper covenant. The episode closes by reinforcing that divine relationships are highly individual, that deities do not "fix" lives but catalyze growth, and that true spiritual work demands accountability, resilience, and inner transformation.   Onomatopoeia - the formation of a word from a sound associated with what is named Abella's LinkTree Ryan's LinkTree

Season One (Ep25) Abella's return after a prolonged illness of the flu, as she candidly recounts her experience with a severe strain of the flu that left her physically incapacitated, hallucinating, and emotionally stripped raw. Beyond the visceral details of sickness, caregiving, and fear for her child, Bella shares the psychological toll of losing access to her Clairs and team during her illness. What initially felt like abandonment became an intense confrontation with isolation, vulnerability, and the terror of being cut off from external spiritual validation. As the conversation unfolds, the episode transforms into a profound reflection on spiritual independence, self-trust, and building faith with her team. Bella realizes that the silence was not abandonment, but a deliberate lesson forcing her to discover that the source of connection, power, and guidance had always existed within herself. With Ryan offering grounding insight and support, the discussion reframes Lucifer not as a distant authority, but as a teacher who meets practitioners where they are. The episode closes with gratitude for the ordeal, humor born from survival, reflections on growth and voice, and a reminder that true initiation often arrives through discomfort along with a very practical plea to get your flu shot. Legerity-Quickness of movement or agility. She danced with great legerity and grace   Abella's Link Tree Ryan's Link Tree

Season One (Ep24) In this episode, Abella is terribly sick, so I take this one on myself. I explore Satan's archetypes as liberation not as a destroyer of relationships, but as an adversary to attachment, expectation, and illusion. Through personal reflection, the conversation unpacks the critical distinction between connection and clinging, revealing how much of our suffering arises from the need to control how people and relationships should appear. Drawing subtle parallels with Taoist and Buddhist principles, this episode examines how releasing expectation does not diminish love or humanity but instead purifies it. Satan emerges here as a mirror, exposing the unseen filters through which we perceive others, and as a liberator who breaks not our bonds, but the chains we did not realize we were holding.   Abella's Link Tree Ryan's Link Tree

Season One (Ep23) This episode marks an important milestone as the podcast welcomes its very first guest Ashe Sorriel. One of the readers to join the expanding Bell Tarot & Company. Abella and Ryan open by reflecting on the growth of both the podcast and Abella's practice, emphasizing the importance of community, trust, and collaboration in occult work. Ashe is introduced not only as a reader, but as a long-time practitioner whose intuitive abilities and shared work with Lucifuge Rofocal deeply aligns with Abella's own path. The conversation explores how relationships with spirits form beyond names and labels, touching on the fluid nature of demonology, personal gnosis, and the way entities adapt their presentation to meet practitioners where they are. As the discussion deepens, Ashe shares their personal journey into the occult, beginning with prophetic dreams and childhood experiences, moving through years of quiet study, and eventually embracing formal practice during lockdown. The episode thoughtfully explores neurodivergence, intuition, and how Ashe's autism shaped their clairs and perception of energy framing psychic ability not as chaos, but as a different way of knowing. Ash also discusses their unique relationship with tarot, emphasizing the importance of finding tools that truly resonate, and closes with encouragement for listeners to trust their own instincts and begin their practice without fear. The episode ends on a reflective, affirming note, reinforcing that there is no single "right" path in the occult only the one you are called to walk. Prattle – verb. Talking for long period of time about insignificant things   Abella Link Tree Ryan Link Tree

In this episode, Abella tells a story about a recent conversation with a family member about friendship; what we expect from the people we love, what we actually need, and how messy those conversations can get. A simple chat turns into a reflection on how we outgrow old dynamics, how we choose better ones, and how family sometimes says the accidental truth we didn't know we needed.  A short, real-life moment with big heart behind it and a dripping of Bella Lore.    Abella's Linktree

Season One (Ep22 )This episode centers on healing, spiritual perspective, and the subtle ways the divine interacts with daily life. Abella shares an update on her post-surgery recovery and how the slow, humbling process has reshaped her connection with the divine, especially Lucifer. Abella describes how healing forced her to slow down, release expectations, and appreciate small, nuanced signs rather than dramatic interventions. These quiet moments, she explains, have profoundly shifted her practice and her nervous system, showing her that the most meaningful spiritual experiences often arise from levity, presence, and simplicity. The conversation expands into how many practitioners seem to experience similar spiritual themes at the same time, and how lowering expectations of the divine allows for deeper connection. Through personal stories including humorous, subtle messages like "don't worry about the title" and a transformative moment of noticing the first snowfall Abella emphasizes that divine beings don't enable shortcuts, especially with psychic development. Instead, they illuminate the internal work needed for growth. The episode highlights the importance of non-transactional relationships with the divine, co-evolution, gratitude, and embracing the magic within everyday moments rather than seeking constant intensity or grand revelation.   Inane - silly and meanless:  Abella Link Tree Ryan Link Tree

Season One (Ep21) This episode explores the figure of Satan, addressing common misconceptions while offering our own theological perspectives. The conversation acts as a "sneak peek" into Abella's book Lunchtime with Demons, which examines references to Satan across a wide range of sources from the Bible to the Satanic Bible. The hosts highlight one of the most persistent misunderstandings: the assumption that Satan is synonymous with figures like Lucifer or Beelzebub, sharing our personal experience of Satan as distinct from Lucifer. Ultimately, we share our personal gnosis of Satan as a force that champions self-sovereignty, free will, and resistance to tyranny. Veracious – adj. always telling the truth   Abella's Link Tree Ryan's Link Tree

Season One (Ep20) This week's episode of Lunch Time with Demons we are discussing fear and how that impacts people working with the infernal divine. Abella shares a recent interaction with King Asmodeus, who prompted her to address a pattern he noticed: many of his practitioners have been ignoring him. After Abella made a TikTok video asking why people were avoiding his call, it unexpectedly gained traction, revealing three common reasons fear, lack of time, or not realizing he was reaching out and now feeling guilty. Bella explains that these reactions touched her deeply, prompting her to explore the emotional and spiritual roots of avoiding the divine, particularly when it asks something of us. We unpack why practitioners fear engaging with infernal entities, emphasizing cultural conditioning, survival-mode thinking, and the demonizing narratives created by monotheistic traditions. We explain how historical lore, grimoires, and centuries of adversarial framing have shaped modern fears, even though these beings are far more complex and evolutionary than their demonized reputations suggest. The hosts encourage listeners to deconstruct the inherited rules, fears, and assumptions handed down by society and religion, pointing out that most of these "rules" are human-made constructs. By examining origins, cultural context, and personal conditioning, they argue that fear of entities like Asmodeus often reflects deeper fears of facing inner work, confronting imbalance, and stepping out of survival mode.   Meretricious – attractive on the surface, but having in reality no value or substance   Abella's Link Tree Ryan's Link Tree

Season One (Ep19) This week's episode Lunch Time with Demons explores the importance of self-care, intuition, and slowing down within spiritual practice especially when life becomes overwhelming. Ryan reflects on having to host alone due to Bella's illness, and how the situation became a lesson in listening to the body, honoring personal limits, and working with the Divine through flow rather than force. He emphasizes that spiritual growth isn't about constant output or striving, but about letting yourself rest, receive, and recognize your own needs as sacred. By placing the self—not obligation—at the center of spiritual work, one can deepen connection with the Divine and maintain genuine balance. The episode also expands into the transformative power of everyday human interactions. Ryan shares a profound encounter with a stranger who, like many others he meets, opened up about life changes, fulfillment, and the courage to begin again. These moments illustrate how quickly meaningful connection can unfold and how the Divine often moves through ordinary conversations. Ryan closes by reflecting on change, the value of life as an ongoing experiment, and the magic that emerges when we pause, pay attention, and allow both life and the infernal beings he works with to guide the journey.    

In this week's episode Abella gives us a card pull for the  week. we explore a theme that many of us overlook: how we spend our energy. The cards asked us to take an honest look at where our focus is going, and whether those places are actually aligned with our inner peace and long-term goals. This episode is a reminder that energy is not unlimited. When we invest in people, projects, and emotions that don't support our growth, we delay our own progress. Together, we talk about redirecting energy with intention, choosing what truly nourishes us, and making space for what we want to create. If you've been feeling stretched thin or disconnected from yourself, this conversation will help you recalibrate and reclaim your energy. Abella's Linktree

Season One (Ep18) This week we dive deep into the tension between traditionalism and modernization in religion and the occult. We discuss how spiritual evolution often clashes with conservative mindsets, both in mainstream faiths and within alternative spiritual communities. We critique the growing dogmatism seen online, where practitioners police each other's beliefs, mirroring the same authoritarian tendencies they once sought freedom from. Through personal experiences, we explore how social media has amplified spiritual conflict and argue that true spirituality allows space for individual growth, experimentation, and questioning without shame or hierarchy. The conversation evolves into a passionate exploration of modernization as the natural heartbeat of spirituality. We trace this lineage through occult history from Renaissance magicians like John Dee and Aleister Crowley to the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn showing how every era reinterprets spiritual practice through its own lens. Weemphasize that modernization doesn't mean rejecting tradition but expanding upon it, honoring the roots while allowing the branches to grow. Propaedeutic -adjective (of an area of study) serving as a preliminary instruction or as an introduction to further study. Noun -an introduction to a subject or area of study   Abella - Link Tree Ryan - Link Tree

Season one (Ep17) This week's episode delves into Halloween's historical, occult, and societal origins rooted in the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain. We explore how the modern, commercialized holiday began as a sacred time when the veil between the physical and spiritual worlds was believed to be at its thinnest. From this belief enduring traditions emerged: wearing costumes to hide from wandering spirits, leaving food offerings to protect the home, and lighting bonfires for purification and safety. We trace the evolution of trick-or-treating back to the medieval custom of souling, when the poor would offer prayers in exchange for food. The conversation then expands into cultural commentary on how traditional symbols—like the witch's pointed hat and cauldron—were demonized through patriarchal and capitalist propaganda that pushed women out of the medieval brewing trade. Drawing connections between souling and today's world, we discuss modern issues of food insecurity, encouraging listeners to support local food banks and community aid programs. The episode closes on a playful note with personal Halloween memories and lighthearted complaints about the ultimate trick-or-treating disappointment: getting toothpaste instead of candy.   The word is "Longevity" we pronounce the letter g twice in it   Abella's Link Tree Ryan's Link Tree   The occult store in this week episode Ritualcravt Instgram

Season one (Ep16) We discuss control, prompted by Abella's personal experience recovering from surgery and feeling physically limited. We reflect on how control or the lack thereof affects not only external circumstances but also emotional regulation, accountability, and the ability to adapt when life shifts unexpectedly. The discussion reveals how easily control can dominate one's mindset, shaping reactions and perceptions, often rooted in the desire for safety and stability. As the conversation unfolds, they connect this theme to daily life, spiritual work, and the ongoing process of self-evolution. Through anecdotes, including a humorous story about a misplaced trash can, they illustrate how minor disruptions challenge habitual patterns and provide opportunities for growth. The hosts ultimately frame control as both a necessary grounding force and a potential obstacle to transformation, encouraging listeners to examine their relationship with it as part of their spiritual and psychological healing journey.   Opia - the striking intensity of direct eye contact, which feels both intimate and unsettling Abella's Link Tree Ryan's Link Tree

In this episode Ryan walks you through a meditation with Satan to guide you find something you have lost in your journey it is filled ambient sounds to help our listeners fully immerse within the meditation.   Abella's Linktree

Season one (Ep15) This week we have a brief chat after Abella's surgery as part update and talk about her team of the infernal divine that showed up to support her in this time of needed support for the surgery. The game that the surgeon was speaking to Bella about is "Cult of the Lamb". Thank you for joining Abella and I for this chat.   Abella's Link Tree Ryan's Link Tree

Season one (Ep14) This episode we dive into the Christian idea of Hell from a left-hand path perspective, tracing its evolution from borrowed mythologies to a tool of spiritual intimidation. We discuss how fear of damnation became embedded in culture and personal identity, shaping how people relate to spirit, sin, and self. Instead of viewing Hell as a literal realm of torment, we examine its symbolic role and how it was constructed to keep people obedient and spiritually dependent. We apply a critical lens to the Church's use of Hell as a control mechanism, challenging the narrative that suffering is deserved or divinely ordained. The conversation encourages listeners to transform inherited fear into power, wisdom, and self-directed spiritual evolution. Inane: Silly and meaningless  Abella's Link Tree Ryan's Link Tree

In this episode, we explore the strange friendship between self-doubt and imagination, how the same mind that dreams of infinite worlds can also convince us we're unworthy of them. I talk about what happens when our creativity meets our clairs and why that tension is sacred, and how to keep creating & meditating even when you don't feel ready.    This one's for the dreamers who question everything, including themselves. Abella's Linktree

Season one (Ep13) We welcome newcomers into the world of the occult and the left-hand path, framing it as the beginning of the "fool's journey" a step into transformation, shadow work, and personal empowerment. We reflect on our own experiences and the joy of watching beginners approach this path with awe and curiosity. While we often dive into deeper and more advanced topics, we recognize that many listeners are still at the start of their journey, which inspires us to pause, backtrack, and offer guidance for those just stepping into this work. We acknowledge no one arrives on this path because life was easy for them; most are drawn here through pain, trauma, or spiritual restlessness. But that struggle becomes fertile ground for resilience and growth. With humor, warmth, and the occasional sound effect, we balance seriousness with accessibility, reminding newcomers that they are not alone. We encourage beginners to embrace both the wonder and the challenge of initiation, while seasoned practitioners are invited to rediscover the power of returning to the basics.   Abella's Link Tree Ryan's Link Tree

"I'm not here to give you polished answers. I'm here to be honest about feeling scared, sad, and human; so none of us has to feel alone in it."   Abella's Linktree    

Season one (Ep12) What do the words occult and Satan really mean, and how did they become the center of one of America's most bizarre moral panics? This podcast dives into the history, politics, and culture that created the Satanic Panic of the 1980s and 90s; when daycare workers, musicians, and even military officers were accused of secret Satanic cults, ritual abuse, and conspiracies that never existed.  We'll explore the roots of America's fear of hidden forces, from Cold War paranoia to Anton LaVey's Church of Satan and Michael Aquino's Temple of Set, through horror films, heavy metal, televangelists, and the headlines that fanned the flames of American culture hating on satanist.  Along the way, we'll unpack what the occult actually is (and isn't), why society projects its deepest anxieties onto "Satan," and how echoes of the panic still live on today. Equal parts history and myth-busting / cultural analysis, this episode peels back the layers of fear to reveal how America built the Devil it still believes in. Ineffable -too great or extreme to be expressed or described in words. Abella's Link Tree Ryan's Link Tree  

Season one (Ep11) This week we dive into the world of the Clair abilities and the different ways intuitive and psychic perception can unfold. We explore clairvoyance, clairaudience, claircognizance, clairalience, clairsentience, and clairtangency, unpacking what each ability means and how it manifests. Through personal stories and lived experiences, we share how these abilities have entered our own lives, shaping our spiritual paths and deepening our connection with the unseen. From subtle impressions to profound revelations, we highlight the many forms intuition can take, offering listeners insight into recognizing and developing their own clair senses Elucidate: to make lucid especially by explanation or analysis   Abella's Link-Tree Ryan's Link-Tree

In this episode, we step into the presence of Prince Amon, a spirit whose name has carried through pharaohs, kings, and grimoires. Often confused with biblical figures and tangled in centuries of lore, Amon emerges not as a shadow of dogma but as a living current, a prince or king among the Infernal divine. We'll explore his origins, the shifting ways his name has appeared in history, and the essence he carries when approached outside of fear-based teachings. Together, we'll peel back the layers between ancient memory, Goetic record, and lived encounter, asking what it means to walk beside a spirit who defies simple categorization. If you've ever wondered how spirits like Amon show up in both scripture and sorcery, and what they truly bring into a practitioner's life, this conversation will open a door into his mystery. Abella's Linktree

Seaons one (Ep 10) In this episode, we're breaking down why shame-based teachings never lead to real growth, and how some "edgelords" in the occult use guilt, fear, and gatekeeping to trap practitioners into staying small. We'll look at the difference between manipulation and true divine guidance, and why real beings never teach through shame, but through empowerment, love, and sovereignty. This is about spotting the traps, reclaiming your power, and stepping into your path without apology. Check out: The Mad Witch & Aziel Aziel's Tiktok TheMadWitchh's Tiktok  

Working with the infernal Divine isn't just pacts or prayer. Discover the many ways to build relationships with them, as friends, partners, mentors, or guides. When most people think of working with the infernal divine, they imagine rigid pacts or one-sided devotion. But the truth is far more nuanced. In this episode, we explore six distinct ways to build and sustain relationships with the infernal Divine. From straightforward transactions to deep bonds of co-creation and service. Abella's Linktree

Season One (Ep9) This week we venture into the realm of elementals, those beings tied to earth, air, fire, and water who dwell at the threshold between the seen and unseen worlds. Far more than myth or metaphor, elementals are forces of nature with presence, power, and personality. We share our own personal stories and encounters with these beings, exploring the different ways they reveal themselves in ritual, meditation, and even in unexpected everyday moments. Some experiences are subtle, like the whisper of wind carrying a message—while others are striking and unforgettable, leaving a lasting imprint on our practice and our understanding of the natural world.   Abella Link Tree Ryan Link Tree

Season One (EP8) -This week's discussion of intimacy with the divine, what it means to cultivate closeness, vulnerability, and union with the deities we walk beside. Intimacy with the divine can take many forms: from the quiet depth of meditation where the presence of spirit moves through our breath and body, to the profound emotional and energetic connections that shape how we live and practice. We explore the many roles and aspects of this intimacy. How it can nurture trust, transform our inner landscapes, and even manifest in physical or somatic ways during ritual or deep spiritual practice. Our conversation touches on the spectrum of intimacy, from subtle sensations to overwhelming moments of closeness that leave lasting marks on both body and soul   Milk and Honey Webpage   Abella Link tree Ryan Link Tree

Step right up and enter the ring. In Welcome to the Circus, Abella guides you through a meditation that pulls back the velvet curtain on the madness we call our limitations. Here, you won't just watch the performance—you'll join it, becoming both the spectacle and the spectator. As the circus unfolds, you'll come face-to-face with the ways life has tried to silence you, dim your light, or chain your voice. This is more than a meditation, it's an initiation into reclaiming your wildness, your courage, and your stage. Abella's Linktree

Sesaon one (Ep 7) - In this episode we discuss the countless ways the divine reaches out to us in both extraordinary and ordinary moments. Together, Abella and I share how these communications appear in our lives, from the subtle acknowledgments that gently affirm our path to the more profound and complex experiences that stop us in our tracks. Through stories of our own shared encounters, we explore how signs can weave themselves into the fabric of daily life, guiding, affirming, and sometimes challenging us in our practice. Some arrive in ways that are deeply personal and layered with meaning; others come as simple gestures reminding us that the divine is near, listening, and present. This episode is an invitation to reflect on how you recognize communication from the divine in your own journey, and to embrace the many forms it may take, whether small whispers or powerful revelations Here is the link to youtube we discussed in this weeks episode https://youtu.be/cAyl8mqjCvY   Abella Linktree Ryan Linktree

Season one (Ep6) - In this week's episode, we continue our exploration of covenants by turning inward—sharing our own personal experiences of the commitments and agreements we've made with the deities we work with. Rather than speaking only in theory or tradition, we open up about the living, evolving covenants that shape our spiritual paths, our practices, and our daily lives. Through this conversation, we offer listeners a window into the ways covenants manifest uniquely for each practitioner, highlighting the deeply personal nature of devotion, reciprocity, and responsibility. We also reflect on how these agreements aren't always written in stone but grow and shift as our relationships with the divine deepen over time. Our intention is to share insights and truths gained through direct spiritual experience—can serve as a powerful guide for others navigating their own paths. By sharing our stories, we hope to spark inspiration, encourage discernment, and invite listeners to consider the shape and meaning of their own covenants with the divine they work with.   Abella Link Tree Ryan LinkTree