PODCAST · health
M.E.S.H.
by Dr. Pamela Brewer
Where your Mental, Emotion, and Social Health is always on the agenda!
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What AI Means for Mental Health Care
Artificial intelligence is no longer a distant idea in behavioral health—it is already shaping how people seek support, how clinicians document sessions, and how clients think about privacy, access, and care. In this episode of M.E.S.H., Dr. Pamela Brewer speaks with Dr. Frederic Reamer, a widely respected expert in social work ethics, about the ethical questions surrounding AI in mental health services. Together, they explore what clients should know, what clinicians must disclose, and why curiosity, caution, and informed consent all matter in this rapidly changing landscape.🌟 Topics Covered:How AI is changing behavioral healthcarePublic-facing AI versus therapy-specific platformsWhy not all AI tools are designed for mental healthClient consent and therapist disclosurePrivacy concerns with AI-generated therapy notesWhat happens when recordings are stored in the cloudSubpoenas, confidentiality, and legal riskHow clients can ask informed questionsWhy AI responses must be fact-checkedEthical guidance in a fast-moving technology landscapeKey takeaways:AI can support behavioral health, but it is not automatically safe or appropriateClients have the right to ask whether AI is being used in their careTherapists should disclose AI use before clients have to askPublic AI tools are not the same as behavioral health platformsAI can be useful, but it can also produce inaccurate informationLearn more about our guest:Guest: Dr. Frederic ReamerExpertise: Social work ethics, behavioral health, legal and correctional settings, artificial intelligence ethicsLearn more by searching Dr. Frederic Reamer’s books, articles, and work on AI ethicsFollow M.E.S.H. through the YouTube channel, the LinkedIn pageResource List:Organizations mentionedUNESCOUtah Office of Artificial Intelligence PolicyApps or tools mentionedChatGPTPerplexityCopilotGeminiPoeDeepSeekGrokLe ChatGoogleDuckDuckGoBing#MESH #MentalHealth #ArtificialIntelligence #AIEthics #BehavioralHealth #TherapyEthics #ClientPrivacy #InformedConsent #DigitalHealth #MentalHealthCare #ClinicalEthics #AIinHealthcare#DrFredReamer#PsychotherapyNotesInTheCloud
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The Hidden Psychology Behind Restorative Travel
If you’ve ever returned from a trip feeling just as tired as when you left, this conversation may shift how you think about travel entirely. In this episode of M.E.S.H., Dr. Pamela Brewer speaks with Dr. Lisa Pittman—a licensed clinical psychologist, travel coach, and global citizen—about how travel can move beyond escape and become a meaningful tool for restoration, clarity, and self-connection. Drawing from both clinical insight and lived experience, Dr. Pittman invites us to reconsider what it means to truly “get away,” and how intentional travel can help us return more grounded, more aware, and more aligned with ourselves.Together, they explore how travel can be reframed as an investment in mental, emotional, and social health—not just a break from responsibility, but an opportunity to better understand what we need and how we care for ourselves.🌟 Topics Covered:What intentional travel really meansWhy vacations often fail to restore usTravel as a form of self-care and emotional renewalSolo travel, safety, and personal thresholdsThe rise of travel coaching and what it offersKey takeawaysWhat does self-care through travel actually look like?How do you define success for a trip before you take it?What makes travel feel meaningful rather than exhausting?Can travel with children still support rest and renewal?What is the difference between travel coaching and travel planning?Learn more about our guest:Website: thetraveldoctallc.comInstagram: @thetraveldoctaLinkedIn: Dr. Lisa PittmanResource List:Organizations mentionedTravel Coach Network#MentalHealth #SelfCare #IntentionalLiving #TravelWellness #EmotionalHealth #SoloTravel #BurnoutRecovery #PersonalGrowth #MindfulTravel #MESHPodcast
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Brainspotting, Trauma, and Emotional Relief
In this episode of M.E.S.H., Dr. Pamela Brewer sits down with licensed marriage and family therapist Ibinye Osibodu-Onyali for a thoughtful conversation about trauma, high sensitivity, perfectionism, and a therapy approach many listeners may be hearing about for the first time: brainspotting. Together, they explore how painful experiences can shape the way we think, parent, cope, and move through the world—sometimes without us even realizing it. If you’ve ever wondered why certain patterns feel so hard to change, or whether healing has to involve retelling every painful detail, this episode offers a grounded, hopeful perspective on what healing can look like.🌟 Topics Covered:What generational trauma means in everyday lifeHow harmful patterns can feel normalWhat it means to be a highly sensitive personThe connection between sensitivity, burnout, and guiltWhy people-pleasing and perfectionism often go togetherHow men may hide high sensitivity through anger or toughnessWhat brainspotting is and how it worksWhy healing does not always require retelling every detailKey takeaways:Some of the hardest patterns to change are the ones that feel most familiarHigh sensitivity is not weakness; it can be insight, empathy, and strengthPerfectionism often grows out of survival, praise, and pressureBoundaries are not selfish; they are part of emotional healthHealing can be gentle and still deeply effectiveUnderstanding your patterns creates more room for choiceLearn more about our guest:Website: thezinniapractice.comSocial: @thezinniapracticeLicensed to practice in Texas and California#MentalHealth#EmotionalHealth#SocialHealth#TraumaHealing#Brainspotting#GenerationalTrauma#HighlySensitivePerson#Perfectionism#TherapyTools#MESHPodcast
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Chronic Stress and Immigrant Health
Dr. Pamela Brewer is joined by Dr. Iris Cardenas, Assistant Professor at the University of Maryland School of Social Work, for a thoughtful conversation on chronic stress and its impact on immigrant communities. Together, they explore how uncertainty, structural barriers, and lived experiences shape both mental and physical health. This episode of M.E.S.H. invites you to consider the weight of ongoing stress, the fact and power of resilience, community strength, and practical ways people navigate it every day.🌟 Topics Covered:Chronic stress versus acute stressStructural barriers to healthcare accessThe role of discrimination in health outcomesPhysical effects of long-term stressIntergenerational transmission of stressThe weathering effect in marginalized communitiesFear and uncertainty in daily lifeCommunity as a protective factorInformal versus formal support systemsKey takeaways:Chronic stress is not just emotional—it affects the entire bodyStructural inequities directly shape health outcomesUncertainty can intensify both mental and physical strainCommunity connection can buffer the impact of stressStrength and resilience are often already present within communitiesLearn more about our guest:Website: iriscardenas.comAffiliation: University of Maryland School of Social WorkCenter: Center for Behavioral Health and Well-being#MentalHealth #ChronicStress #HealthEquity #ImmigrantHealth #SocialDeterminants #EmotionalHealth #PublicHealth #CommunityCare #MESHpodcast #Psychotherapy
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Reexamining Islam Through a Lens of Inclusion
In this thoughtful and eye-opening conversation, Dr. Pamela Brewer speaks with educator and Muslims for Progressive Values board member Kendra Cordova about gender, identity, and the often-overlooked complexity within Islam. Together, they explore how cultural narratives, historical context, and lived experience intersect—challenging common assumptions while offering a more nuanced understanding of faith and belonging. If you’ve ever felt caught between identity and expectation, this episode offers both clarity and reassurance that you are not alone.🌟 Topics Covered:Gender diversity within Islamic history and modern practiceMisinterpretations of religious texts and cultural influenceThe role of education in shaping belief systemsNon-binary identity and lived experience within faithNavigating family, community, and personal truthThe importance of questioning and lifelong learningHow organizations support inclusive interpretations of IslamKey takeaways:Identity and faith can coexist, even when it feels complicatedKnowledge creates confidence in navigating difficult conversationsCultural interpretations often shape belief more than original textsSome questions I ask:What does gender diversity actually look like within IslamHow have cultural interpretations shaped what people believe todayHow did your personal identity journey impact your relationshipsWhat do religious texts truly say about gender and sexualityIs there space for people with diverse identities within IslamWhat is the first step for someone questioning their place in faithHow can people begin to explore long-held assumptionsWhere can listeners find supportive communities and informationLearn more about our guest:Website: mpvusa.orgYouTube: MPV with KendraBook: Homosexuality and Islam by Scott Siraj al-Haqq KugleOrganization: Muslims for Progressive Values#MentalHealth#SocialHealth#EmotionalWellbeing#IdentityMatters#FaithAndIdentity#InclusiveFaith#SexualDiversity#GenderDiversity#Psychology#SelfDiscovery#HumanExperience#MESHwithDrPamelaBrewer
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Breaking the Silence: Male Survivors of Sexual Abuse
Episode Summary:In this deeply moving episode of M.E.S.H., host Pamela Brewer speaks with Doriel Jacov, a trauma-informed psychotherapist and former corporate attorney, about the realities and challenges faced by male survivors of sexual abuse. Doriel Jacov shares insights from his clinical work and his men's support group, exploring myths, shame, identity disruption, and the long journey toward healing. Listeners will gain compassionate understanding of the unique obstacles male survivors face, the importance of safe spaces, and how healing is possible even after traumatic childhood experiences.Topics Covered:Prevalence and invisibility of male sexual abuseSocial stigma and secrecy experienced by male survivorsThe necessity and impact of specialized support groups for menEffects of abuse on attachment, relationships, and identityDisclosure dynamics within families and partnershipsChildhood abuse: confusion, self-blame, and socialized silenceThe role of shame, embarrassment, and somatic disconnectionPaths to healing and the power of reparative relationshipsKey Takeaways:Sexual abuse of boys and men is much more common than many realize, affecting 1 in 6.Secrecy and shame are central challenges preventing male survivors from seeking help.Specialized support groups provide a crucial, safe environment for disclosure and healing.Abuse can disrupt male identity, affecting emotional expression and relationships.Healing is possible, though it requires time, safety, and investment in therapeutic relationships.Naming and acknowledging shame is a powerful step toward freedom and recovery.Best Quotes:"In reality, 1 in 6 boys have had the experience of being sexually abused...men carry around this idea that what happened to them is extremely rare.""Shame is a key threat in being a survivor, and to have other people who can be supportive...it can be profoundly transformative.""Naming the felt shame actually unburdens them, can begin that process of being free of it."Connect with Doriel Jacov:Website: djpsychotherapy.comEmail: [email protected]#MaleSurvivors#SexualAbuseAwareness#TraumaHealing#TherapyMatters#MentalHealth#SupportGroups#EndTheStigma#HealingJourneyTune in weekly to M.E.S.H. for conversations that reveal, support, and connect. Please subscribe, share, and join the ongoing dialogue.
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When Rock Bottom Becomes a New Beginning
Episode SummaryIn this compelling episode of M.E.S.H., Pamela Brewer sits down with Jelan Agnew, a licensed clinical social worker turned keynote speaker, coach, and global frolicker. Jelan Agnew opens up about her radical personal transformation after a crisis in 2020, culminating in a rebirth that fundamentally changed her priorities and definition of self. The conversation dives deep into embracing change, separating personal identity from achievement, overcoming generational trauma, and finding joy and creativity as essential parts of humanness. Listeners will walk away with inspiration, practical advice, and resources for their own journey toward personal and professional fulfillment.Topics CoveredDefinition and nature of transformationNavigating major life changes and rock-bottom momentsThe impact of burnout and alcohol addiction on mental health professionalsThe process and aftermath of recovering from a life-threatening crisisReleasing attachment to job titles for genuine self-discoveryAchieving separation between what you do and who you areGenerational trauma and its effects on achievement and self-worthProductivity, self-talk, and worthiness, especially for Black and brown womenCreating a life aligned with creativity and joyAdvice for women facing barriers to transformationHow to start your own transformation without drastic life changesConnecting with Jelan Agnew: social media, TEDx talk, and coachingKey TakeawaysChange is inevitable; choosing to embrace it empowers you, rather than waiting until circumstances force you to adapt.Generational trauma can shape the drive for excessive “productivity” — but finding self-worth apart from achievements is freeing and necessary.You don’t have to quit everything to transform; start with small steps, reconnecting with what you love and how it makes you feel.Six Best Quotes from Jelan Agnew“First you get a little knock on the door, then you get a shake on your shoulders, then you get the rug pulled from under you. The choice is when you choose to change, because change is inevitable.”“The version of me that built that life died in the ICU. I was reborn in the ICU, and the version of me that left didn’t have the same priorities, interests, or idea of success.”“Separating what I do from who I am allowed me to start creating a life from who I am, not what I’m doing.”“Remember yourself. And if you felt anything when I said ‘remember yourself,’ I’m talking to you.”Connect with the GuestWebsite: JelanAgnew.com TEDx Talk: Check for Jelan Agnew's TEDx talk onlineCoaching: Jelan Agnew is accepting coaching clients (DM via Instagram or LinkedIn)Resources ListTEDx Talk: Jelan Agnew's TEDx presentation (search online)NALEG of Self: Jelan Agnew's organization (name, website in process)@nalejofselfContact for coaching: DM Jelan Agnew via Instagram/LinkedIn#Transformation#MentalHealth#GenerationalTrauma#SelfDiscovery#JoyIsHumanness#WomenEmpowerment#Podcast#MeshPodcast#Nalegofself
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Voluntary Exclusion Program: A Helpful Tool for Problem Gambling
Episode Summary:In this enlightening episode of M.E.S.H., host Pamela Brewer welcomes Heather Eshleman, Director of Operations at the Maryland Center of Excellence on Problem Gambling. Together, they dive into the often-overlooked risks of gambling, explore practical steps for recognizing and managing gambling disorder, and highlight resources available for individuals and families affected by problem gambling. Heather Eshleman discusses the Voluntary Exclusion Program, youth gaming risks, and the role of the Maryland Lottery in proactive gambling prevention. The conversation is packed with actionable advice, powerful anecdotes, and essential information to help listeners make healthy, informed choices about gambling.Topics Covered:Definition and prevalence of problem gamblingWarning signs and consequences of gambling disorderThe Voluntary Exclusion Program (VEP) in MarylandGambling risks among youth and features in video gaming (loot boxes)Resources and tools for blocking gambling apps and sitesSupport for family members of problem gamblersKey Takeaways:Not all gambling is problematic, but setting limits on time and money is crucial.About 5.5% of residents are at risk for developing gambling problems.The Voluntary Exclusion Program is a self-ban tool, covering casinos and sports betting apps.Gambling disorders can affect both youth (through gaming) and adults.Parents and family members have resources to block gambling apps and access support.Best Quotes:“So many people don't realize there are risks to gambling. You should set limits on time and money when gambling.” – Heather Eshleman“If someone is having problems controlling their gambling behavior, they can ban themselves from different forms of gambling in the state.” – Heather Eshleman“We know that people also have to deal with the underlying causes of why they are gambling out of control.” – Heather Eshleman“There are gambling features within video games that can kind of catch you. You have to be careful with that.” – Heather Eshleman“We do encourage parents to call us... 1-800-GAMBLER helpline operates 24 hours, 7 days a week.” – Heather Eshleman“It's not cost prohibitive to seek problem gambling treatment and the family members too.” – Heather EshlemanConnect with the Guest:Maryland Center of Excellence on Problem Gambling: Website (website not explicitly given, based on organization name)Contact Phone: 667-214-21201-800-GAMBLER helpline (call, text, or chat)Voluntary Exclusion Program (Maryland Lottery): https://www.mdlottery.com (direct link not given, lottery website based on name)Gamban (gambling block software): https://www.gamban.comBetBlocker (free site blocking tool): https://www.betblocker.org1-800-GAMBLER helpline: https://www.1800gambler.netThe Parents Place of Maryland: https://www.ppmd.orgMaryland Lottery Responsible Gaming: https://www.mdlottery.com/responsible-play/Peer Recovery Support Specialists (Maryland Center of Excellence)#ProblemGambling#GamblingAwareness#VoluntaryExclusionProgram#Mdproblemgambling#ResponsibleGaming#MentalHealth#FamilySupport#YouthGaming#MarylandLottery#Meshwithdrpamelabrewer
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Compassion in Action: Protecting Adults at Risk
Welcome to M.E.S.H.! In this episode, host Pamela Brewer sits down with Geoff Rogers, Director of Learning and Development Projects at the Silberman School of Social Work, Hunter College, to Uncover the essential strategies and challenges faced by Adult Protective Services (APS) practitioners. Discover what it takes to serve vulnerable adults, the realities of APS casework, and how engagement, myth, and storytelling impact social work. Whether you’re an aspiring social worker, a seasoned practitioner, or someone curious about social justice and community care, you’ll find deep insights and actionable advice here!Topics Covered:The role of storytelling and myth in helping workers support vulnerable adultsSkill sets and personality traits essential for APS practitioners“Scaffolding” – what it means and why it matters in social servicesSupervising and supporting new APS practitionersPreserving autonomy and dignity for those servedThe scope of APS (who qualifies, misconceptions about age)Resources, guides, and training for practitionersKey Takeaways:Working in APS is demanding, complex, and deeply rewarding—a true calling that requires empathy, respect, and a non-judgmental stance.Central to effective practice is seeing clients as people first and honoring their agency—making them “the hero of their own story.”Adult Protective Services aren’t only for the elderly—in some states, services apply to all adults aged 18 and above.Comprehensive training and accessible resources are available for practitioners, including specialized guides and podcasts.Remembering the humanity of both the practitioner and the client is foundational to meaningful intervention and care.Connect with the Guest:Email: [email protected] Affiliation: Silberman School of Social Work, Hunter College, New York CityResources Mentioned:Wellness at Work Podcast – Focusing on health and welfare for those serving vulnerable adults (search available platforms, as mentioned in episode)Desk Guides/Frontline Service Guides:Recognizing signs of physical abuseRecognizing signs of financial exploitationNew York State-specific APS practice guide#AdultProtectiveServices#SocialWork#VulnerableAdults#TraumaInformedCare#ElderAbusePrevention#HumanizeSocialWork#WellnessAtWork#MESHpodcast
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The Real Cost of Silence: Why Deep Listening Matters More Than Ever
Topics Covered:The origins and misunderstandings about DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion)The behavioral focus versus identity politics in DEI workLiberatory practice: its meaning, who it serves, and its impact on leadershipThe vital importance of deep listening in healing and workplace transformationEmbracing and honoring multiple identities within groups (Jewish diversity, intersectionality)Creating inclusive environments and measuring true freedom and resilienceProfessional development with a focus on liberatory practice for leaders and organizationsPrograms at Dimensions Consulting and who they serve (women, men, leaders of all backgrounds)The courage to share resources vs. the fear that restricts opportunityKey Takeaways:DEI is about collective humanity, not just categories; it seeks to create conditions where everyone can thrive and exercise choice.Real change happens through listening to personal experiences and being accountable for one’s behavior to improve outcomes for all.Liberatory practice offers a model for freedom and resilience, helping individuals and organizations move beyond survival to truly thriving.Inclusion and equity benefit everyone, but this work requires readiness and honest engagement—not performative participation.Every community holds diversity within it; seeing these dimensions allows for broader, deeper, and more compassionate leadership.Sharing stories and deep listening can lead to healing, increased leadership capacity, and authentic inclusion.Quotes:“If we really want to track and chart the experience of equity, you have to ask people and listen hard for what they're saying they have experienced, and then see yourself as accountable in your behavior to start doing, stop doing, or do something differently…” –Yavilah McCoy“The condition of relationship is already there. What kinds of relationships we want to have bring us into the realm of choice and into the realm of behaviors.” –Yavilah McCoy“When we bring the concept of pain into the equation, often the very first thing that we do is we stop listening... But the truth is, if you want to be in a relationship that holds the elevation of your humanity, we've got to be able to listen for both.” –Yavilah McCoy“Every group of people has diversity. If I were to talk about the dimensions of our humanity, one person would be many things at once.” –Yavilah McCoy“It is my legacy and birthright not just to survive my life, but to thrive in it… to believe that if I never did another thing, that value, that beauty, that essence… remains intact.” –Yavilah McCoyConnect with the Guest:Website: www.dimensionsedc.comResources List:Dimensions Consulting: www.dimensionsedc.com30 Day Liberatory Practice Challenge (series of videos and resources available on the Dimensions website)One-on-One consults and liberatory practice coaching (inquire via website)Programs for women leaders, women of color, and white women leaders (details at the Dimensions website)For more episodes and inspiring conversations, subscribe to M.E.S.H. wherever you get your podcasts!
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Unapologetically Black and Jewish: Navigating Race, Faith, and Justice
In this powerful episode of M.E.S.H., host Pamela Brewer welcomes Yavilah McCoy, a leader in equity strategies and organizational consulting, who shares her experience growing up as an unapologetically Black and Jewish woman. The conversation dives deep into racial and religious identity, intersectionality, and the challenges faced by Jews of color. Drawing on personal stories and insights, Yavilah McCoy discusses the importance of liberatory practice, collective care, and embracing the fullness of our identities within and beyond Jewish communities.Topics CoveredThe intersection of racial, religious, and cultural identitiesMyths and assumptions about Jews and Jewish identityWhite supremacy and its impact on Jewish communitiesPersonal stories of growing up Black and Jewish in BrooklynEducational experiences and advocating for inclusionLiberatory practice and resilience in marginalized spacesThe importance of “dimension” and intersectionalityCollective and self-care in activismCreating inclusive communities within and across identitiesKey TakeawaysRace is a social construct and should not define Jewish identity or humanity.Jews come from diverse backgrounds—racial, geographic, cultural, and economic.Intersectionality is a source of strength, not dilution, and allows one to show up authentically.Liberatory practice and resilience are essential to navigating oppressive systems.Collective care and self-care are vital, especially for Jews of color.Listening to and sharing the full story of our humanity is necessary for true equity.Creating dimension in identity helps avoid the erasure and marginalization caused by binaries.It’s not necessary to always be at the frontlines; activism should be a choice, not an obligation.Best Quotes“Mama Maya Angelou taught us that we often delight in the beauty of the butterfly, but we rarely admit the changes that it has gone through to achieve that beauty.”“If I were to snap my fingers and bring every Jew that exists across the globe into this room with us right now, we would look more like the United Nations than the United Nations itself.”“Race itself is a construction. Race does not describe our humanity in any way that's truly significant, except that race has been a tool of oppression…”“It is only in oppression that we have to live in binaries. If we look at any ism that's out there, you're going to find folks trying to tell you you're either or instead of this plus both and right.”“Just because you are living from a space of an intersectional identity does not mean you have to be the one to pick up the banner and be at the front. Right now, mostly I would say what's important is self care and collective care.”Resources Listdimensionsedc.com#BlackJewish#Intersectionality#LiberatoryPractice#Equity#CollectiveCare#JewsofColor#CulturalDiversity#MESHpodcastIf you want to learn more about the guest or explore resources mentioned, be sure to check out Dimensions Consulting online and share this episode with those seeking thoughtful, inclusive conversations about identity and justice.
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Bipolar Disorder Myths Debunked: Real Stories of Recovery and Success
Topics CoveredStigma and myths surrounding bipolar disorder and mental illnessMarcia's experience as a therapist with bipolar disorderDiscrimination and shaming in the mental health professionEffects and management of medication for bipolar disorderPersonal and romantic relationships impacted by mental illnessWhat psychotic and manic episodes look likeAdvice for family and friends supporting someone with a mental illnessGuidance on discontinuing medication safelyResources for further supportQuotes“My dream is for people to view people with a mental illness with the same kind of compassion, understanding, and respect that they would show to somebody with a physical illness.” —Marcia Naomi Berger“Once it got out that I had this mental illness, people were nasty, humiliating me. And you would think, why would these professional therapists be so lacking in compassion and understanding?” —Marcia Naomi Berger"I've been off...no medication, no therapy for bipolar disorder for, I don't know, something like 33 years." —Marcia Naomi Berger“You cannot expect someone to be reasonable if they're in a psychotic state. But you can still be compassionate and kind.” —Marcia Naomi BergerConnect with Marcia Naomi BergerWebsite: marriagemeetings.comBooks: "The Bipolar Therapist," "Marriage Meetings for Lasting Love"For book access: Find online, ask at your local bookstore, or check your libraryResources ListBooks by Marcia Naomi Berger:The Bipolar TherapistMarriage Meetings for Lasting Love (also referenced at marriagemeetings.com)Mental Health Information:National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI)Local therapists and psychiatrists (recommended for medication changes)Podcast:M.E.S.H. Podcast#MentalHealth#BipolarDisorder#StigmaFree#TherapistsTalk#MESHpodcast#Compassion#RecoveryJourney#MentalHealthAwarenessDon't forget to like, subscribe, and share M.E.S.H. to help spread understanding and compassion for mental, emotional, and social health!
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From Stroke to Strength: Building a Life of Care, Purpose, and Belonging
In this powerful episode of M.E.S.H., host Pamela Brewer sits down with writer and stroke awareness advocate Joyce Sampson to discuss the often-overlooked realities of stroke, the importance of advocacy, and the lasting cognitive and emotional impacts that survivors can face. Joyce Sampson bravely shares her personal journey through seven strokes in two months, the challenges of recovery, the misconceptions people have about strokes, and her mission to educate both the public and medical professionals with her forthcoming book. With honesty and vulnerability, she highlights the need for community support, the pitfalls in the healthcare system, and how compassion can make all the difference.Topics Covered:The significance of FAST and BE FAST acronymsWhy stroke advocacy is still crucial despite widespread awareness campaignsThe disconnect between patient experiences and medical personnel understandingStrategies for self-advocacy and community educationThe emotional and social challenges stroke survivors faceThe limitations of well-intentioned but sometimes misguided support from friends and familyTips for family and friends on supporting loved ones after a strokeKey Takeaways:Stroke signs extend beyond the well-known FAST acronym—balance and eyesight matters too.Cognitive and sensory deficits after stroke can be nuanced and are often not explained to survivors.Recovery is uniquely personal, and survivors need understanding rather than comparisons or dismissals.Medical systems often overlook the real-world challenges stroke survivors face post-discharge.Family and friends are most helpful when they admit what they don’t know, listen, and proactively educate themselves.Taking the help that appears—whether from professionals or peers—is a crucial part of recovery and resilience.Resources Mentioned:American Heart Association: https://www.heart.orgCircle of Rights (Gaithersburg, MD): https://www.circleofrights.orgStroke Comeback Center (Virginia & Rockville, MD): https://www.strokecomebackcenter.org#StrokeAwareness#StrokeSurvivor#BEFAST#StrokeAdvocacy#CognitiveHealth#MESHpodcast#HealthEducation#InvisibleDisabilitiesWant more stories and conversations that impact your mental, emotional, and social health? Like, subscribe, and share—and don’t forget to join us for the next episode of M.E.S.H.!
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Out and Supported: Real Talk for Anxious Parents and Brave Kids
In this heartfelt and information-packed episode of M.E.S.H., host Pamela Brewer sits down with John Sovec, LMFT, author, and advocate, whose book "Out: A Parent’s Guide to Supporting Your LGBTQIA+ Kid through Coming Out and Beyond" is helping parents and families support LGBTQIA+ youth. They discuss the unique challenges that queer children and their families face during the coming out process—especially in today’s social climate—and offer concrete advice for building trust, ensuring safety, and creating open conversations rooted in love and understanding.Topics CoveredUnderstanding the LGBTQIA+ acronymThe emotional journey of coming out for kids and familiesA three-step process for LGBTQIA+: introspection, identification, integrationNavigating safety concerns in today’s social and political environmentCreating supportive communities for children and parentsKey TakeawaysThe foundation of supporting a child coming out is unconditional love and acceptance.Coming out is a lifelong, often ongoing process that requires support on both individual and family levels.Building safe and open communication within the family is crucial, especially regarding safety, acceptance, and finding community.Parents struggling to accept their child’s identity are encouraged to look inward and ask “What does love look like?”Coming out, if delayed due to family unsupportiveness, can lead to greater life challenges later, but authenticity is always possible and valuable.Community connections and local support are powerful resources in navigating big-picture fears.Six Best Quotes“When your kid comes to you... the most important thing you can do as a parent in that moment is to open your arms wide, hug your child close, and tell them that you love them.” John Sovec“Coming out is actually a lifelong process... it is ongoing. There are times where it’s safer and easier... there are other times when it is not a friendly environment.” —John Sovec“You signed a contract that you were going to be with [your child] for a lifetime.” John Sovec“If we can learn to talk more openly, more freely, more easily about this part of the human experience, we can make it such a supportive thing for everybody.” —John Sovec“Listen to [your child] as well. It may be too painful for them to try and hide and disguise who they are. You are going to have to work together as a family to create issues of safety.” —John Sovec“Find people that you can talk openly with... create a community of care around your family and around your child who is coming out.” —John SovecConnect with the Guest: John SovecWebsite: johnsovec.comSecondary resource site: gayteentherapy.comResources ListBook: Out: A Parent’s Guide to Supporting Your LGBTQIA+ Kid through Coming Out and Beyond byJohn Sovec Available via major online retailers and to order through local bookstores.johnsovec.com —gayteentherapy.com — Resources specifically tailored for supporting queer teens and their parents.#LGBTQ#LGBTQIA+#Parenting#ComingOut#QueerYouth#FamilySupport#MentalHealth#LoveIsLove#MESHpodcastFor more insightful episodes, subscribe, share, and stay connected with M.E.S.H.
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16A Lewy Body Dementia: The Second Most Common Dementia You’ve Never Heard Of
In this insightful episode of M.E.S.H., host Pamela Brewer welcomes Julia Wood from the Lewy Body Dementia Association for an important discussion about Lewy Body Dementia (LBD), the second most common type of dementia that remains unfamiliar to many. The conversation explores the distinctions between LBD and Alzheimer’s, the challenges of diagnosis and management, the importance of caregiver support, and emerging research. Julia Wood shares resources and strategies for those navigating the world of dementia, providing hope and information for individuals, families, and clinicians.Topics Covered:Understanding Lewy Body Dementia vs. Alzheimer’sThe dementia umbrella: types and misconceptionsSymptoms, age range, and gender differences in LBDDiagnosis challenges and symptom checklistsCurrent state of research, including environmental factorsTreatment options, medication challenges, and quality of lifeImportance of individualized care and interdisciplinary medical teamsCaregiver journeys, peer support programs, and resourcesKey Takeaways:Lewy Body Dementia is the second most common dementia, yet remains underrecognized compared to Alzheimer's.LBD presents differently than Alzheimer’s, requiring distinct medical and support approaches.There is currently no cure for any dementia; treatments focus on managing symptoms and improving quality of life.Diagnosis is complex and often involves clinical checklists, neuropsychological evaluations, and attention to psychiatric and sleep symptoms.LBD does not have defined stages like Alzheimer’s; every case is unique, posing challenges for families and clinicians.Caregivers and families need extensive support, resources, and community to navigate the unpredictable journey of LBD.Building an interdisciplinary care team is crucial; self-advocacy is often required.The Lewy Body Dementia Association offers comprehensive support and resources for both individuals living with LBD and their care partners.Best Quotes:“Alzheimer’s and Lewy Body Dementia couldn’t be more different.” Julia Wood, LBD“We have a saying…if you’ve seen one person with Lewy, you’ve seen one person with Lewy.” Julia Wood“There’s no cure for any of the dementias.” Pamela Brewer“Care partners…need resources, need education.” Pamela BrewerConnect with the Guest:Lewy Body Dementia Association Website: lbda.orgSupport Services Line: [email protected]: 1-800-539-9767Resources List:Lewy Body Dementia Association: lbda.orgComprehensive Symptom Checklist for families and clinicians (available at LBDA website)Lewy Body Composite Risk Score — developed by Dr. Jim Galvin, University of MiamiPersevere Peer Mentor Program (Rush University)Learning Center (LBDA website)Webinars, handouts, and courses via LBDA’s Lewy Learning Center#LewyBodyDementia#MESHpodcast#DementiaAwareness#CaregiverSupport#MentalHealth#Alzheimers#BrainHealt#LBDA
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Are You A Couple Living with ADHD?
In this insightful episode of M.E.S.H., host Pamela Brewer welcomes Carolyn Angelo, LCSW and Director of the Adult ADHD Center of Washington, D.C. Together, they demystify adult ADHD—exploring what it really is, how it impacts both individuals and couples, and the often misunderstood dynamics that arise. Drawing on her professional expertise and personal experience with ADHD, Carolyn Angelo dives into stigma, shame, strategies for better communication, and how hope and healing are absolutely possible for couples affected by ADHD.Topics CoveredUnderstanding Adult ADHD: What it is (And Isn’t!)How ADHD can manifest in couples and relationshipsTools and strategies for couples to thriveCommunication techniques: weekly “business meetings” and date nightsKey TakeawaysAdult ADHD is real.ADHD may manifest as both distractibility and hyperfocus, complicating casual assumptions.Couples facing ADHD can fall into “parent-child” dynamics, leading to frustration and exhaustion.Shame and blame cycles are common but can be broken with understanding and intervention.Both partners need to participate in change, not just the one with ADHD.Helpful strategies include structured check-ins, open communication, and rekindling the strengths that attracted the couple in the first place.There is hope: with support, couples can rebuild understanding, connection, and resilience.Top Quotes“ADHD is not a deficit, but a deregulation in focus.” —Carolyn Angelo“Because some ADHD symptoms are not unique to ADHD... the non ADHD member of the couple can make judgments and assumptions that can challenge the couple connection.“Shame can be big problem for people with ADHD, especially if it hasn’t been diagnosed early.” —Carolyn Angelo“Convincing the non ADHDer that they need to participate in change is really the first step.” Carolyn AngeloConnect with the GuestWebsite: adultadhdcenterdc.comResources ListAdult ADHD Center of Washington, D.C.: https://adultadhdcenterdc.comCouples Workshops and Coaching: Details found on the center’s websiteTop 10 Hashtags#ADHD#AdultADHD#ADHDInRelationships#ADHDamongcouples#ADHDcoaching#MentalHealth#CouplesTherapy#Neurodiversity#ShameAndBlame#MESHpodcastFor more episodes on mental health and relationship topics, follow and subscribe to M.E.S.H. wherever you listen to podcasts!
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Demystifying DBT, EMDR, and IFS
In this insightful episode of M.E.S.H., host Pamela Brewer welcomes psychotherapist Stella Kimbrough, LCSW, who specializes in trauma, depression, and anxiety. Together, they decode some of the "acronym soup" of modern psychotherapy, clarifying what EMDR, DBT, IFS, and other modalities actually mean. Stella Kimbrough explains the nuances of trauma, describes who benefits from specific therapies, and highlights the importance of the therapeutic relationship in healing.Topics Covered:Defining trauma: big T vs. little T traumaEMDR: Eye Movement Desensitization and ReprocessingDBT: Dialectical Behavioral TherapyCBT: Cognitive Behavioral Therapy IFS: Internal Family SystemsThe crucial role of the therapist-client relationshipDemystifying mental health labels and diagnosesThe importance of feeling safe in therapyKey Takeaways:Trauma is highly individual and can be either acute or cumulative.EMDR, DBT, and IFS differ from traditional talk therapy, offering specialized, structured methods for treatment.EMDR is particularly effective for trauma and PTSD, DBT for borderline personality disorder (and more), and IFS for various issues including addiction, anxiety, depression, and eating disorders.The fit between therapist and client is often more important than the specific modality chosen.One size does not fit all in therapy; exploring different approaches is valid and encouraged.Therapy is not about being "crazy"—it's about living fully as a human being.Six Best Quotes:“Trauma really is in the eye of the beholder. Trauma affects everyone differently.” –Stella Kimbrough“EMDR stands for Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing... It helps us desensitize from traumatic memories using rapid eye movements.” –Stella Kimbrough“DBT is much more solution-focused, concrete, skills-based therapy.” –Stella Kimbrough“In IFS, it's not like everyone has multiple personalities... It's saying that everyone has multiple parts of themselves.” –Stella Kimbrough“The most important part of therapy is the relationship that you have with your therapist.” –Stella Kimbrough“None of this is about who's crazy and who's not. All of this is about how we live as human beings.” –Pamela BrewerConnect with the Guest:Website: calmpathway.comInstagram: @calmpathwayLinkedIn: Stella KimbroughResources List:EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing): EMDR InstituteDBT (Dialectical Behavioral Therapy): Behavioral TechCBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy): APA: CBTIFS (Internal Family Systems): IFS InstituteMarsha Linehan (DBT founder): WikipediaFrancine Shapiro (EMDR founder): WikipediaRichard Schwartz (IFS founder): IFS Institute – AboutM.E.S.H. Podcast: [Follow/Subscribe link placeholder]#TraumaTherapy #MentalHealthMatters #EMDR #DBT #IFS #Psychotherapy #TherapeuticRelationship #MESHPodcastFor more episodes and information, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share M.E.S.H. with someone you care about!
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Do You Suspect Elder Abuse?
In this powerful episode of M.E.S.H., host Pamela Brewer sits down with Marie B. Philip, retired Deputy Commissioner of the NYC Human Resources Administration, to break down the realities of intimate partner violence and elder abuse. Drawing from frontline experience, Marie B. Philip offers insight into the patterns of domestic violence, the importance of community responses, and actionable steps for supporting friends, family, or yourself when abuse is suspected. The conversation dispels myths, provides resources, and always centers the survivor’s safety and dignity.Topics Covered:Definition and types of intimate partner violenceRecognizing patterns and behaviors of domestic violenceThe evolution of domestic violence programming and policyElder abuse: characteristics, signs, and unique challengesThe role of financial exploitation in elder abusePractical steps for friends and family members who suspect abuseBarriers to reporting and seeking help (shame, isolation, dependence)Safety planning: go bags, document collection, cyber safety for survivorsNational resources and online safety tips for those seeking helpKey Takeaways:Domestic violence is a community issue—one in four individuals experience it, and it can affect anyone across the lifespan.Elder abuse is often under-reported and can range from physical neglect to financial exploitation.Supporting victims starts with nonjudgmental conversations and prioritizing their safety and agency.Awareness and education inject the power to intervene early and effectively.Modern resources include cyber safety measures for those in dangerous situations, particularly when using shared devices.Six Best Quotes:“Domestic violence isn't a problem out there, it's a problem in here.” –Marie B Philip“It starts from the beginning, but in very discreet ways. And it builds.” –Marie B Philip“It's not about why they didn't leave, it's about what's helping them to stay.” –Marie B Philip“Isolation is a key factor in domestic violence... Education and awareness is a key response in domestic violence.” –Marie B Philip“Being supportive as you can, talking about what safety would look like, because maybe leaving the situation is not what can be done at that point.” –Marie B PhilipResources Mentioned:National Domestic Violence Helpline: https://www.thehotline.orgNational Coalition Against Domestic Violence: https://ncadv.org/Cyber safety feature for private browsingCDC Definition of Elder Abuse: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/elderabuse/index.htmlAdult Protective Services (State-By-State Finder): https://www.napsa-now.org/get-help/help-in-your-area/NYC Human Resources Administration (HRA): https://www.nyc.gov/site/hra/index.pageTop 8 Hashtags for Sharing:#DomesticViolenceAwareness#ElderAbusePrevention#MESHPodcast#IntimatePartnerViolence#SafetyPlanning#CommunitySupport#EndTheSilence#EmpowerSurvivors
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Writing as Healing with Marita Golden
Episode SummaryIn this inspiring edition of M.E.S.H., Pamela Brewer meets with acclaimed author, teacher, and writing coach Marita Golden to explore the healing power through writing. Marita Golden shares her personal journey as a writer, reveals how storytelling has shaped her life, and discusses the transformational role of writing for both self-care and societal change. The conversation highlights writing not just as a career or creative outlet, but as a therapeutic practice that can heal wounds, transcend personal myths, and foster joy—even in challenging times.Topics CoveredThe myths surrounding who gets to be a writerWriting as a process of healing and self-discoveryThe effect of writing on emotional and mental healthChallenging hierarchy and exclusivity in the practice of writingThe intersection of writing, therapy, and self-careThe upcoming workshop: "The Joy of Writing"Facing judgment and building resilience as a writerKey TakeawaysWriting is not reserved for a select few; everyone is capable and deserving of telling their stories.Writing can act as both a therapeutic tool and an act of self-care, helping people make sense of their experiences and emotions.The process of writing often brings surprising realizations and deeper understanding for the writer, not just the reader.Giving oneself permission to write authentically is a powerful step toward healing.Facing criticism is part of being a writer, but the desire to express oneself provides resilience.The myths and hierarchies around writing should be challenged, making space for all voices—especially those historically marginalized.The Six Best Quotes"We all are writers. We write our lives. We become authors of our lives through the choices we make every day." – Marita Golden"Writing has deeply healed me and brings me joy, and it never lets me down." – Marita Golden"Your writing will help you unravel the knots in your heart... You could write simply to take care of yourself, even if you have no desire to publish your work." – Marita Golden quoting Louise DeSalvo"The desire to write imbues you with so much resilience that you can take judgment." – Marita Golden"You just have to be you. And you have to just put that first sentence on the page and the sentence will lead you by the hand." – Marita GoldenConnect with the GuestWebsite: maritagolden.comFor information about upcoming workshops and classes, visit the website and sign up for the email list.ResourcesBooks:"Writing as a Way of Healing: How Telling Our Stories Transforms Our Lives" by Louise DeSalvo"Don't Play in the Sun: One Woman's Journey Through the Color Complex" byMarita Golden"How to Become a Black Creating and Honoring Black Stories that Matter" byMarita GoldenOrganizations:Zora Neale Hurston/Richard Wright Foundation (co-founded byMarita Golden)Workshops & Courses:The Joy of Writing: Six-Week Workshop of Discovery and Creativity (details at maritagolden.com)Top 8 Hashtags#MaritaGolden#WritingAsHealing#MESHpodcast#Storytelling#SelfCare#TherapeuticWriting#EmotionalHealth#CreativeHealingFor more episodes, inspiration, and updates, be sure to subscribe and share M.E.S.H.!
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From Trauma to Recovery and Fulfillment
Episode Summary:In this moving episode of MESH, host Pamela Brewer interviews Tracy Doyle, author of Life Storms: Finding Your Clear Sky and creator of the Aurora Method. Tracy Doyle shares her personal journey through childhood adversity, trauma, and emotional burnout, explaining how these experiences led her to develop M.E.S.H.—a framework for mindfulness and emotional healing. Together, they discuss the power of self-awareness, breaking negative patterns, and building authentic connections, emphasizing that no matter our wounds, anyone can reclaim joy and fulfillment.Topics Covered:The impact of early wounds and trauma on adult behaviorThe development and philosophy behind the Aurora MethodThe concept of the “reaction cascade” and its effects on relationshipsSteps and phases of the Aurora Method (self-assessment, breakthrough, restoration)Shifting one’s perspective and connecting with othersThe power and necessity of looking within and self-reflectionKey Takeaways:Early experiences, especially trauma and neglect, shape core beliefs and behaviors that persist into adulthood unless consciously addressed.The Aurora Method offers a personalized, step-by-step mindfulness framework to identify, name, and change negative patterns.Healing and growth begin by looking within, not blaming outside circumstances.By shifting one’s internal responses, interpersonal relationships and work dynamics can dramatically improve.Self-awareness is not about fixing oneself instantly, but gradually understanding and shifting patterns for lasting change.Emotional wounds may stunt personal growth, but recognizing and addressing these wounds unlocks fulfillment and joy.Quotes:“When we recognize that we can reshape what shaped us… what we get back is that inner fulfillment and joy”Tracy Doyle"It's really about when we can understand our patterns that quietly shape everything... then we actually can change things." —Tracy DoyleConnect with the Guest:Book: Life Storms: Finding Your Clear Sky – available on AmazonDirect contact: “Schedule a one-on-one with me” via her website www.tracydoyle.life#MentalHealth#EmotionalHealing#SelfAwareness#Mindfulness#TraumaRecovery#AuroraMethod#PersonalGrowth#MESHpodcastEnjoyed the episode?Share MESH with someone you care about and join M.E.S.H. with Dr Pamela Brewer every week for more inspiring conversations. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts!
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How to Thrive and Survive Mood Disorders
In this insightful episode of M.E.S.H., host Pamela Brewer sits down with occupational therapist and author Stephen Nawotniak for an honest conversation about living with a bipolar condition. Stephen Nawotniak delves into his personal journey of managing bipolar disorder—from dealing with stigma and self-acceptance to practical tips for charting moods and navigating relationships and work life. Their discussion is filled with empowering advice on embracing mental health challenges as part of personal development, and practical steps for living meaningfully, rather than with shame or secrecy.Topics Covered:Overcoming community and self-stigmaDisclosing mental health challenges in personal relationships and the workplaceTools for self-awareness: the value of tracking and charting moodsSteps for self-care and empowerment in managing mental healthResources and advice for those living with—or supporting someone with—mood disordersKey Takeaways:Mood disorders are not rare or shameful; they’re part of the broader human experience.Self-stigma—internalizing your diagnosis as your identity—can be more limiting than outside stigma.No one needs to be alone; connecting with others who understand can make a real difference.Quotes:“My journey is about personal growth and development and building wisdom and self understanding more so than trying to fight or overcome an illness.” –Stephen Nawotniak“Curiosity is one of my favorite words.” –Pamela Brewer“The two biggest lies that I've experienced with depression is, number one, it will always be this way. And number two, I'm all alone.” –Stephen Nawotniak“While each one of us has to walk our journey ourselves, we don't have to be alone in that journey.” –Stephen NawotniakConnect with the Guest:Website: https://www.stephennawotniak.com/Resources List:Book: Handbook for Healthy Living with a Mood Disorder by Stephen NawotniakGuest’s Website:https://www.stephennawotniak.com/— for further information, resources, and ways to connect withStephen Nawotniak#MentalHealth#BipolarDisorder#OccupationalTherapy#SelfAwareness#EndStigma#HealthyLiving#Mindfulness#MESHPodcast#DepressionShare this episode with someone you care about!
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Lewy Body Dementia: The Second Most Common Dementia You’ve Never Heard Of
In this insightful episode of M.E.S.H., host Pamela Brewer welcomes Julia Wood from the Lewy Body Dementia Association for an important discussion about Lewy Body Dementia (LBD), the second most common type of dementia that remains unfamiliar to many. The conversation explores the distinctions between LBD and Alzheimer’s, the challenges of diagnosis and management, the importance of caregiver support, and emerging research. Julia Wood shares resources and strategies for those navigating the world of dementia, providing hope and information for individuals, families, and clinicians.Topics Covered:Understanding Lewy Body Dementia vs. Alzheimer’sThe dementia umbrella: types and misconceptionsSymptoms, age range, and gender differences in LBDDiagnosis challenges and symptom checklistsCurrent state of research, including environmental factorsTreatment options, medication challenges, and quality of lifeImportance of individualized care and interdisciplinary medical teamsCaregiver journeys, peer support programs, and resourcesKey Takeaways:Lewy Body Dementia is the second most common dementia, yet remains underrecognized compared to Alzheimer's.LBD presents differently than Alzheimer’s, requiring distinct medical and support approaches.There is currently no cure for any dementia; treatments focus on managing symptoms and improving quality of life.Diagnosis is complex and often involves clinical checklists, neuropsychological evaluations, and attention to psychiatric and sleep symptoms.LBD does not have defined stages like Alzheimer’s; every case is unique, posing challenges for families and clinicians.Caregivers and families need extensive support, resources, and community to navigate the unpredictable journey of LBD.Building an interdisciplinary care team is crucial; self-advocacy is often required.The Lewy Body Dementia Association offers comprehensive support and resources for both individuals living with LBD and their care partners.Best Quotes:“Alzheimer’s and Lewy Body Dementia couldn’t be more different.” Julia Wood, LBD“We have a saying…if you’ve seen one person with Lewy, you’ve seen one person with Lewy.” Julia Wood“There’s no cure for any of the dementias.” Pamela Brewer“Care partners…need resources, need education.” Pamela BrewerConnect with the Guest:Lewy Body Dementia Association Website: lbda.orgSupport Services Line: [email protected]: 1-800-539-9767Resources List:Lewy Body Dementia Association: lbda.orgComprehensive Symptom Checklist for families and clinicians (available at LBDA website)Lewy Body Composite Risk Score — developed by Dr. Jim Galvin, University of MiamiPersevere Peer Mentor Program (Rush University)Learning Center (LBDA website)Webinars, handouts, and courses via LBDA’s Lewy Learning Center#LewyBodyDementia#MESHpodcast#DementiaAwareness#CaregiverSupport#MentalHealth#Alzheimers#BrainHealt#LBDA
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Healing Strategies for Emotional Blindness
In this insightful episode of M.E.S.H., host Pamela Brewer welcomes Tahara DeBarrows, a licensed marriage and family therapist, to discuss alexithymia—a personality trait often described as "emotional blindness." Tahara DeBarrows explains what alexithymia is, how it impacts relationships and personal well-being, and offers practical advice on how individuals can develop emotional awareness. The conversation also touches on trauma, neurodivergence, and the importance of seeking help without stigma. Listeners will leave with a deeper understanding of emotional processing and actionable strategies to support themselves or loved ones.Topics Covered:What alexithymia is and how it manifestsEmotional awareness and emotional vocabularyNeurodivergence: autism, ADHD, and its relationship to alexithymiaImpact of emotional blindness in relationships and parentingThe role of trauma in developing alexithymiaGender and cultural aspects of emotional expressionCognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) and emotional wheelsSomatic therapies and mindfulnessTrauma-informed approaches in therapyPractical steps for supporting someone with emotional blindnessKey Takeaways:Alexithymia is not a mental health disorder but a personality trait, often described as emotional blindness.Emotional blindness can develop as a survival strategy, particularly in traumatic or emotionally disconnected environments.Both neurodivergent individuals and those with trauma histories may be more likely to experience alexithymia.Emotional vocabulary can be strengthened; skills like identifying and naming emotions can be learned and mastered.CBT, emotional wheels, and somatic therapies are effective tools for building emotional awareness.Seeking therapy is not a sign of being "crazy"—it's a step towards better self-understanding and well-being.Grace, patience, and modeling emotional language can support loved ones struggling with emotional blindness.Trauma-informed care prioritizes the client’s needs and equips them with coping skills for triggers.The Six Best Quotes:"It's not a mental health disorder. It's really just an emotional processing kind of issue." –Tahara DeBarrows"Identifying emotions could be a skill. Meaning that it can be taught, it can be learned, it can be mastered." –Tahara DeBarrows"We go to medical doctors for physical symptoms... What's the difference with seeing a therapist for mental health issues?" –Tahara DeBarrows"The reality of it, usually we feel worse before we feel better when we start to uncover those feelings because we were so avoidant before. But there's hope." –Tahara DeBarrows"If you're the one in the relationship who knows how to identify their emotions, you can kind of model what you want that to look like." –Tahara DeBarrows"Trauma-informed means I'm just putting the client first... with a lot of grace and a lot of care for these individuals who've gone through a lot and have developed things like alexithymia." –Tahara DeBarrowsConnect with the Guest:Website: ajourneytohealingcounseling.comEmail: [email protected]: Men with Alexithymia (find under Blogs section on the website)Resources List:A Journey to Healing Counseling –Tahara DeBarrows's practice (Connecticut & Florida)Blog: Men with AlexithymiaCBT Worksheets: Available under Services and Professional Development on ajourneytohealingcounseling.comEmotional Wheel: Search "emotional wheel" on Google for printable chartsSomatic therapies & mindfulness practices (referenced as body scanning and progressive muscle relaxation)For specific therapy and information, contact [email protected]
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Practical Parenting Tips for the Digital Age
In this insightful episode of M.E.S.H., host Pamela Brewer welcomes Dr. Lisa Pion-Berlin, CEO of Parents Anonymous for a dynamic conversation on the mental, emotional, and social challenges facing families today. The pair dive into the realities of parenting in the digital age, specifically the complexities that social media introduces to family dynamics. Dr. Lisa Pion-Berlin breaks down the ethos and offerings of Parents Anonymous, and arms listeners with practical strategies to navigate children’s screen time while maintaining open, nurturing relationships. The episode wraps with guidance on where families can seek help and highlights the vital importance of connection, limits, and ongoing support.Topics Covered:What is clinical hypnotherapy (versus popular misconceptions)The holistic, multi-generational support model of Parents AnonymousThe impact and dangers of social media on children and teensSigns your child may be overusing or misusing social mediaSetting healthy boundaries around technology useThe links between family routines, chores, and long-term well-beingKey Takeaways:Clinical hypnotherapy is about gently accessing and addressing deep emotional triggers—not stage tricks.Parents Anonymous provides judgement-free, evidence-based support for all caregivers, not just biological parents.Children do best with clear, consistent limits—even if they resist them in the moment.Parents' own modeling and digital boundaries are just as important as rules they set for kids.Quotes:“If you don’t deal with what we call our basic underlying feelings, you’re really only moving on one level.” –Lisa Pion-Berlin“It is important to set limits around social media and modeling it yourself as a parent—many parents are addicted themselves.” –Lisa Pion-Berlin“If you’re on your phone, you’re not interacting with each other, you’re not interacting with your peers, you’re not interacting with your children, you’re disconnected.” –Lisa Pion-Berlin“Children have reported over and over again when they have limits, they feel safer and more confident.” –Lisa Pion-Berlin“You need to create these breaks so you can foster. I think kids today don’t even know how to interact with their peers, right?” –Lisa Pion-Berlin“No blame, no shame—any issue you have about yourself or any of the children or people in your life—the helpline is there.” –Lisa Pion-BerlinConnect with the Guest:Parents Anonymous Website: natlparentyouthhelpline.orgNational Parent & Youth Helpline (Call/Text): 855-427-2736Meditations and resources: Available on the website in English and SpanishNo specific social media handles or personal email were provided in the episode.Resources Mentioned:Parents Anonymous: natlparentyouthhelpline.orgNational Parent & Youth Helpline: 855-427-2736 (call or text, 24/7, 240 languages)Family support, evidence-based programs, and leadership training information via Parents Anonymous websiteMeditations and age-specific parenting resources (English, Spanish, 10+ languages): Parents Anonymous ResourcesNo books, other podcasts, specific courses, or YouTube channels were mentioned in this episode.
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Navigating Conflict: Practical Family and Holiday Conversation Tips
In this episode of M.E.S.H., host Pamela Brewer sits down with Nicholas Schmitt, Senior Director of Conflict Resolution and Training at Community Mediation Services in Queens, NY, to discuss practical strategies for handling difficult conversations. Whether it’s political discourse at family gatherings or heated debates among neighbors, Nicholas Schmitt shares expert tips for setting boundaries, remaining connected, and fostering brave, productive dialogue. The episode covers ways to navigate emotional triggers, establish healthy guidelines, and utilize mediation—even outside formal settings. Pamela Brewer and Nicholas Schmitt unpack what it means to approach conflicts with empathy and mindfulness, empowering listeners to engage more constructively year-round.Topics CoveredSetting boundaries before gatheringsManaging triggering topics during family or social eventsExiting conversations respectfully and maintaining connectionKey TakeawaysMost political and emotional disagreements stem from underlying shared values, but different reasoning.Setting boundaries and having prepared phrases help prevent conversations from going awry.Hosts can bring structure to gatherings by creating spaces for challenging discussions and reminding participants of guidelines.It’s okay to exit a stressful conversation and prioritize your wellbeing without blaming others.Top Quotes“We operate from a space of intuitive values, and then we search for reasons from there for why we have those values.” — Nicholas Schmitt“Come up with maybe some boundary phrases, so you're not hit by surprise and your brain goes blank when that topic comes up.” — Nicholas Schmitt“There's no better way to break connection with another person than to say, ‘You are the problem and you are the reason we're breaking connection.’” — Nicholas SchmittConnect with the GuestWebsite: mediatenyc.orgEmail: [email protected]: 718-523-6868Resources ListCommunity Mediation Services: mediatenyc.orgContact: [email protected], 718-523-6868Mediation referral information (for nationwide options): Reach out to Community Mediation Services or visit their website for help finding local organizationsTraining courses offered: Conflict resolution skills, positive communication, initial mediation training (inquire via website or contact info above)
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The Overlooked Connections Between Domestic Violence and Mass Shootings on M.E.S.H.
In this compelling episode of M.E.S.H., host Pamela Brewer welcomes author Jo Scott-Coe to discuss her books "Mass: A Sniper, a Father, and a Priest" and "Unheard Witness." The conversation dives deep into the hidden, insidious patterns of domestic violence and their connections to mass shootings, focusing especially on the often-overlooked experiences and expertise of victims. The episode explores societal blind spots, victim blaming, obstacles to reporting, and the critical importance of community awareness and support. Topics Covered:Jo Scott-CoeThe relationship between domestic violence and mass shootingsThe obstacles victims face when seeking helpSocietal perceptions and misconceptions about mass shooters“Why didn’t she just leave?” — The realities of escaping abuseRecognizing signs of abuse in friends, family, or colleaguesHow to responsibly and supportively help someone you suspect is being abusedResources for survivors and supportersKey Takeaways:Mass shooting events have often been preceded by histories of domestic violence; estimates indicate up to 70% of public mass shootings display this pattern.Victims are frequently blamed and face significant barriers when trying to report or seek help, both from family and institutions."Just leaving" an abusive relationship is not simple—leaving can be the most dangerous time for victims, compounded by legal and societal obstacles.Survivors' lived expertise should be central in conversations about intervention and prevention.Allies should focus on listening without judgment, being ready with resources, and supporting the individual’s readiness and choices.Resources and hotlines exist, and knowing how to access or share them can be life-saving.Six Best Quotes:“That mass shooting is a culmination rather than a first strike.” –Jo Scott-Coe“The expertise of survivors has to be central.” –Jo Scott-Coe“The only way I know how to assert myself is to dominate—those cultural messages seem to be the common territory.” –Jo Scott-Coe“Just leave—it’s so interesting… we’ve learned in the last 60 years that leaving is the most dangerous time for a survivor.” –Jo Scott-Coe“Trying to unpack the experiences with someone who is a friend, without judgement… is important.” –Jo Scott-Coe“You deserve better. This is not your fault. There are friends for you, and you deserve to find them.” –Jo Scott-CoeConnect with the Guest:Jo Scott-Coe webpage: https://www.joscottcoe.com"Unheard Witness" via University of Texas Press: https://utpress.utexas.edu(Special promotion code: UTX K LW for a 40% discount at time of recording)Twitter: https://twitter.com/joscottcoeResources List:Books: "Mass: A Sniper, a Father, and a Priest" by Jo Scott-Coe"Unheard Witness" by Jo Scott-Coe (Univ. of Texas Press)Organizations & Websites:National Coalition Against Domestic Violence (NCADV): https://ncadv.orgLocal domestic violence shelters and hotlines (check your local listings)Note: Many domestic violence support sites include a quick-escape feature for safety.Legal and Advocacy Advances:Ongoing international discussions about criminalizing coercive control (noted: UK, Australia, New Zealand)Activists Mentioned:Mildred Muhammad (advocate, survivor of D.C. sniper violence)
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Fishing While Black: An Exploration of Healing, Family, and the Power of Nature
In this deeply moving episode of M.E.S.H., host Pamela Brewer sits down with acclaimed author, musician, and poet Bruce A. Jacobs to discuss his forthcoming book, "Fishing While Black." Together, they explore vulnerability, masculinity, and the healing power of the natural world—especially as those themes intersect with trauma, race, and family history. Bruce shares personal stories about his relationship with his emotionally wounded father, reflecting on love, pain, and how time in the wild became a transformative space of connection and growth. The conversation invites listeners to question societal norms about expressing emotion, especially for Black men, and encourages embracing both the complexities of our parents and the restorative possibilities of nature.Topics Covered:Bruce A. Jacobs’ upcoming book, "Fishing While Black"The importance of the outdoors as a space for healing and connectionNavigating complex relationships with parents (love and loathing simultaneously)Emotional vulnerability as a Black manBreaking generational cycles of trauma and understanding mental illnessThe role of nature in grounding and self-discoverySocietal attitudes towards mental health and stigma ("loony bin" language)The process and compulsion behind writing personal storiesKey Takeaways:True healing and connection often happen in places or moments away from societal noise—nature can be medicinal.Being vulnerable about personal and familial pain is courageous and necessary, especially in communities where such openness is discouraged.Our parents teach us what they know—recognizing their humanity allows for a more compassionate understanding.The motivations behind creative expression can be deeply personal and sometimes inescapable.Expressing emotion, especially as a Black man, is not a weakness but a powerful act of self-affirmation and relational honesty.The language we use to talk about mental health matters and reflects broader societal attitudes.Top 6 Quotes:"My bonding with my father began and sustained itself in the wild, in the outdoors, next to rivers, in the gorge and in the woods, where he treated me as tenderly as he would have treated a fledgling in his own arms.""He would weep openly in public at something that possessed him to the point where that's the only response he had...the openness itself was a real gift to me, and it remains one.""I loved him as much as, at times, I loathed him. He always loved me and he always let me know.""Our parents learned something, and that's what they taught us, not necessarily out of a place of maliciousness, but that's what they knew."Connect with Bruce A. Jacobs:Literary Journal (for excerpt "The Gorge"): Shenandoah, Spring 2025 (link will be available when published)Bluesky: bajacobs.bluesky.socialResources List:"Fishing While Black" (forthcoming book by Bruce A. Jacobs)“The Gorge” excerpt by Bruce A. Jacobs: to be published in Shenandoah, Spring 2025 (https://shenandoahliterary.org)#MensMentalHealth#BlackVoices#EmotionalHealing#NatureTherapy#FatherSon#MentalHealthAwareness#FishingWhileBlack#Vulnerability
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Breaking Down Narcissism: Trauma, Gaslighting, and Healing on M.E.S.H.
In this week’s episode of M.E.S.H., host Dr. Pamela Brewer welcomes Carrie Ann Cleveland, Director of Cleveland Family Counseling and a licensed marriage and family therapist, to dive deep into understanding gaslighting, narcissistic abuse, and their impacts on mental and emotional health. Carrie Ann decodes the difference between everyday disagreements and manipulative tactics, discusses the unpredictable dynamics inside relationships with narcissists, and provides listeners with practical advice and resources for navigating — and surviving — toxic interactions.Topics Covered:The definition and trauma of gaslightingWhat constitutes narcissistic abuseNarcissism in various environments (work, family, church, nonprofits)Key behaviors and mindset of narcissistsGaslighting as part of narcissistic abuse — including the concept of “love bombing”Recognizing the arc of gaslighting in relationshipsConsequences: financial, social, medical risks of ongoing gaslightingDarvo (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender) — manipulation tactic breakdownGray rock and yellow rock methods for interacting with narcissistsNavigating healthy boundaries vs. staying in unhealthy relationshipsResources for support and further learningKey Takeaways:Gaslighting is a powerful and traumatizing tactic that undermines a person’s sense of reality.Narcissistic abuse is rooted in power and control, showing up in many types of relationships and environments.Narcissists rarely seek help for themselves. They don’t believe they need to. Often, it’s those around them who seek support and therapy.Gaslighting and manipulation are not always overt or hostile — sometimes they manifest as excessive affection or “love bombing.”Maintaining emotional boundaries and using neutral, non-reactive communication strategies can protect your mental health.Recognizing manipulation tactics (like DARVO, projection) is the first step towards empowerment.There are expert guides, organizations, and tools available for those needing guidance.Six Best Quotes:“Gaslighting is when somebody is trying to make you believe, think, or feel in a way that is not based on your reality.”“Narcissistic personality disorder is the only mental health diagnosis where the person with the disorder remains untreated and everybody around him goes to therapy.”“Narcissism is insidious. It is extremely traumatic having to deal with a narcissistic person.”“Gaslighting doesn’t always look and feel bad. Certainly not in the beginning. If it did, we would never go past the first date.”“When you play with a cat with a laser pointer... that’s what the narcissist does.”“You have to know your truth. You have to name the tactic when you’re seeing it.”Connect with the Guest:Website: clevelandfamilycounseling.comEmail: [email protected] spelling: Carrie Ann — C A R R I E A N NInstagram, Twitter, or other social handles — not provided in transcript (please see website for more details).Resources List:Carrie Ann’s Practice: clevelandfamilycounseling.comDr. Ramani Durvasula (Expert on Narcissism):YouTube ChannelTED TalksBooks: (Search for Dr. Ramani’s books on narcissism)One Mom’s Battle (Tina Swithin):WebsiteAmy Says (AI communication assistant for high conflict situations):amieesays.com (per transcript spelling: a i m e e s a y s)Gray Rock/Yellow Rock Method:Gray Rock Method — InformationOne Mom’s Battle resourcesTherapy Finder:Psychology Today — Find a TherapistNamed Manipulation Tactics: DARVO, projection, weaponized incompetence#PodcastMESH#MentalHealth#NarcissisticAbuse#Gaslighting#EmotionalHealth#TraumaRecovery#HealthyRelationships#TherapyResources
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How Your Home Impacts Emotional Well-Being with Realtor Leisa Hart
In this episode of M.E.S.H., host Pamela Brewer sits down with Leisa Hart, a sales manager and award-winning realtor at Long & Foster (Chevy Chase Circle and Navy Yard locations in D.C.) to explore the powerful connection between where you live and your emotional well-being. Together, they debunk myths about price point, discuss the emotional journey of choosing a home, share insights on navigating outside influences, and highlight why finding the right space is about more than just square footage. Leisa shares her empathetic approach to real estate, focusing on clients' feelings and helping them find true sanctuary, regardless of budget.Topics Covered:The emotional and social impact of where you liveHow financial constraints and price points affect home choice and peaceTechniques for identifying your “sanctuary” in a home searchNavigating family and friends’ opinions during the buying processThe role of the realtor and building your home-buying teamCommunicating openly with your realtor and what to do if it’s not the right fitPractical advice for a smooth and enjoyable real estate experienceRecognizing and quieting the “noise” from outside influencesKey Takeaways:Your home should be your sanctuary—peace doesn’t come with a price tag.Emotional needs matter as much as practical ones when searching for a home.You don’t need to own to find a peaceful, fulfilling place to live.A good realtor will listen and facilitate, not impose their ideas.It's vital to make decisions for your own well-being, not just to please others.You’re never stuck with a realtor if they aren’t the right fit; communication is essential.Homebuying is a team effort and should be a smooth, even enjoyable process.Top 6 Quotes:“Peace does not come with a price tag attached.” – Leisa Hart“When you're choosing a home, you're choosing your sanctuary.” – Leisa Hart“My job is to listen to them, not impose my wishes or my thoughts on it, because it's not about me.” – Leisa Hart“Do not be afraid of hurting your Realtor's feelings. Do not be afraid of speaking up for yourself. You're finding your peace and you need that.” – Leisa Hart“It's natural for your closest friends and family to weigh in, but this is your home, not your parents', not your friends'.” – Leisa Hart#HomeIsSanctuary#EmotionalWellbeingFor Your Living Space#RealEstate includesRealEmotions#MESHpodcast
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Seven Blackbirds: Secrets, Survival, and Hope in the Aftermath of Domestic Abuse
In this powerful episode of M.E.S.H., host Pamela Brewer welcomes back Helen Winslow Black, author of "Seven Blackbirds," to dive deeper into the realities of domestic violence. Helen shares insight from her novel, which resonates with survivors thanks to its authenticity and emotional truth. Together, they unpack the complexities of communication in violent relationships, the pervasive cycle of shame and secrecy, and the crucial steps toward healing and empowerment. Helen also discusses practical resources, her personal journey, and sheds light on how fiction can bridge the gap in raising awareness about abuse.Topics CoveredChallenges of communication in violent relationshipsThe symbolism behind "Seven Blackbirds" and the power of secretsSimilarities and differences in domestic violence experiences for men and womenKey TakeawaysIn violent situations, reasoning and communication may be unsafe; prioritizing physical safety is paramount.The secrecy and shame around abuse are major barriers to healing; speaking one's truth is transformational.Abuse affects people of all genders similarly; it’s about control, not love.Victims are often psychologically isolated, making outside support critical.There’s no one-size-fits-all answer for survivors; hope and personal recovery are vital.Quotes"You have to meet survivors where they are. It's amazing when they've spoken up; treat that very gently.""The psychological isolation is necessary for the abuser to keep on abusing.""There's always hope that you, the person who's being harmed, can be in a different place."Connect with the GuestWebsite: helenwinslowblack.comEmail: Contact available via her websiteBooks: "Seven Blackbirds" and "Songs My Mother Taught Me" (available at indie bookstores, Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and Bookshop.org)Resources ListNational Domestic Violence Hotline: https://www.thehotline.org/Local domestic violence organizations: (Example shared: The Alliance, Central Colorado)Everyday Heroes Program (Chaffee County, CO): Local support and education initiativeBookshop.org for independent bookstores: https://bookshop.org/Helen Winslow Black’s books: "Seven Blackbirds" & "Songs My Mother Taught Me"Helen’s Website: https://helenwinslowblack.com
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Daphne Joseph - From Diner Shifts to CEO: How Fear Fueled Her Single Mom Success
In this insightful episode of M.E.S.H., host Pamela Brewer sits down with Daphne Joseph, an accomplished operations manager turned entrepreneur. Daphne shares her remarkable journey from being a student and server at Perkins Diner to holding a demanding supervisory role at Estee Lauder, and eventually pivoting into entrepreneurship. They unpack how pivotal life events, especially motherhood, shaped Daphne’s career decisions, from choosing a stable corporate job to advocating for work-life balance and, ultimately, starting her own business. The episode delves into the importance of corporate culture, the realities of fear and motivation, advice for single moms considering entrepreneurship, and the critical role self-care plays in successful parenting and business.Topics Covered:The link between mental, emotional, and social health and career decisionsNavigating major life changes: transition from server to corporate supervisorThe impact of fear and motivation on personal growthThe role of corporate culture in career satisfactionChallenges of work-life balance as a single parentDeciding to leave a "secure" job for entrepreneurshipThe process and value of creating a business strategy (versus a traditional plan)Advice for single moms and parents considering entrepreneurshipThe importance of self-care for parentsUsing personal skills and passions to identify business opportunitiesKey Takeaways:Entrepreneurship is a journey, not a quick fix; passion and planning are essential.Self-care for parents is crucial—not just for themselves, but for modeling healthy behavior to their children.Systematic problem-solving and leveraging one’s own skills/passions can uncover unique business opportunities.Business strategy should be flexible and evolve as the business grows.Questions Pamela Asked Daphne:“What was going on in your head that allowed you to say, ‘Yeah, I’m going to go do this and then go do it?’”“What on earth allowed you or led you or drove you to leave that and become an entrepreneur?”“Is it important to have a business plan? Is it important to think things out, or should you just throw yourself in it and hope it works?”“What are some thoughts that you would recommend people consider when they’re thinking about going out on their own, and particularly single moms?”“Tell me a little bit about what you’re doing now.”“Is there a way for folks to learn more about what you do? Is there a support group?”Best Quotes:“Fear is not the problem if you don’t let it stop you. Fear is human... It's what you do with it.” – Pamela Brewer“At the time, I was almost purely driven by fear. I did not want my son to have the same life I had growing up. I wanted him to have better.” – Daphne Joseph“If you are working in a place where you do not feel valued and it's an eight hour day, it feels like sixteen.” – Pamela BrewerConnect with Daphne Joseph:Facebook Group: Moms Helping Moms Start an Online Business (search: “Moms Helping Moms Start an Online Business”)Website: daphnejoseph.comhttps://www.facebook.com/groups/momshelpingmomsstartanonlinebusinessResources List:Daphne’s website: daphnejoseph.comEstee Lauder Companies (mentioned in Daphne’s work experience)Glassdoor for company culture research (https://www.glassdoor.com/)M.E.S.H. Podcast website/socials (visit podcast homepage for more episodes)#SingleMomLife#EntrepreneurJourney#WomenInBusiness#WorkLifeBalance#CorporateCulture#SelfCareMatters#BusinessStrategy#MeshPodcast
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When Truth Falters: Race, Media, and Economic Tensions in Modern America
In this powerful episode of M.E.S.H., host Pamela Brewer sits down with Bruce A. Jacobs—author, poet, musician, and social influencer—to discuss his book Race Manners and its relevance in today’s America. Together, they explore the persistent and shifting landscape of racial and socio-economic tensions, the impact of online hate, extremism across various groups, and the immense challenges of distinguishing fact from fiction in the modern information environment. Bruce reflects on the evolution of public discourse, growing dangers posed by economic concentration, and the increasing threats facing marginalized communities, delivering urgent insights for anyone navigating today’s divided society.Topics Covered:The psychological impact of living in a "non truth osphere"The numbing effect of constant exposure to trauma and outrageThe importance of examining who benefits from divisionReflections on safety, democracy, and the trauma of modern American lifKey Takeaways:Race relations in America are deeply interwoven with issues of class and economic disparity.The amplification of hate and misinformation online has made extremist narratives more accessible and pervasive than ever.Extremism and hate are not restricted to race—they now target a wider range of differences, harming multiple marginalized groups.The perpetuation of division often serves as a distraction from underlying economic injustices.Building resilience and critical awareness is crucial in combating the negative effects of misinformation and polarization.The Best Quotes:“Sadly, [Race Manners] is more relevant now than I would have wished it to be these many years after it was first published.”"The rule of the rich has gotten even more brutal and barbaric socioeconomically across race. This is a matter of class, not race throughout American society."“All of this has become a kind of wraparound morass of alleged facts and alleged events and alleged truths that leave people so overwhelmed that they move in the directions where they're already vulnerable...”Resources List:You can find information about Race Manners on Good ReadsYou can also find Race Manners on Amazon for purchase
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Redefining Commitment: The Benefits and Myths of Living Apart as a Couple
In this enlightening episode of M.E.S.H., Dr. Pamela Brewer sits down with Dr. Ann Turner to explore the concept of "Living Apart Together" (LAT) relationships. Dr. Turner, a certified sex therapist and divorce coach, shares her expertise on why more couples—especially older adults and blended families—are choosing to maintain committed relationships while living in separate dwellings. Throughout the conversation, Dr. Turner dispels myths, walks through the practicalities, and offers insight into the various factors that make LAT a healthy and fulfilling choice for many. They also touch on topics like polyamory, "gray divorce," and what agreements are crucial for making alternative relationship structures work.Topics Covered:Definition and criteria of Living Apart Together (LAT) relationshipsDifferences between LAT and long-distance relationshipsHistorical and cultural influences on LAT's popularityLAT for blended families, older couples, and after "gray divorce"Impact of COVID-19 on living arrangements and relationship expectationsGender trends and demographic shifts in embracing LATAttachment styles and LAT compatibilityImportance of clear communication and agreements in LAT arrangementsAlternatives to LAT for creating space in relationshipsPolyamory and variations of committed relationshipsNavigating stepfamilies and neurodivergence with LATKey Takeaways:LAT is a flexible, valid relationship model where couples maintain commitment while living in separate homes.The arrangement often appeals to blended families, older couples, and those wishing to retain independence or certain benefits.Clear, honest communication and explicit agreements are vital to making LAT work.LAT may not suit those with anxious attachment styles who need frequent reassurance or proximity.Relationship structures should fit the people in them, not social expectations.Space or independent pursuits can be nurtured without necessarily living apart—options range from separate bedrooms to individual studios.Questions I Ask (Best Questions from the Host):“What exactly is living apart together? Is that a thing? Is it a new thing?”“Is this the same thing as a long distance relationship?”“Is this a healthy option?”“What are some of the reasons that people choose to live together apart?”“Does there need to be a marriage certificate? Legally, is this considered a marriage?”“What are some things that people really need to consider if this is something that they want to do?”The Six Best Quotes:“If it works for you as the client, then it works—like, that's great. That's what really matters.” – Dr. Ann Turner“You don't have to do a live apart together relationship to have some space in your relationship.” – Dr. Ann Turner“When you get divorced, women take longer to remarry because they're able to usually make those social connections and build their life, so they're less likely to want to couple up and have to be under the same roof.” – Dr. Ann Turner“If someone wants to live separately, why does it bother you?... it's their life and if it works for them, then I think it's kind of none of your business.” – Dr. Ann Turner“It's very helpful because it allows that container. It's actually a physical container instead of always interacting and having that rub in the relationship.” – Dr. Ann Turner“You can have some space, literal space in your home, especially once kids are gone and now you have children's bedrooms free.” – Dr. Ann TurnerConnect with the Guest:Website: annturner.comEmail: [email protected]: @DrAnnTurnerResources List:Book: Latitude: How You Can Make a Live Apart Together Relationship Work by Vicki LarsonShow: Big Love (Referenced for communal/alternative family structures)M.E.S.H. Podcast info: M.E.S.H. Website/Archive (For podcast episodes and resources)#LivingApartTogether#Relationships#MentalHealth#EmotionalWellbeing#GrayDivorce#Polyamory#BlendedFamilies#RelationshipAdvice
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Understanding Chaos and Contempt: Dr. Justin Frank Unpacks America’s Emotional Climate
In this insightful episode of M.E.S.H., host Dr. Pamela Brewer welcomes esteemed psychoanalyst Dr. Justin A. Frank—author of “Trump on the Couch”—for a wide-ranging conversation delving into the psychological underpinnings of current political and social turbulence. The discussion explores the rise of anger and chaos in today’s climate, and how former President Donald Trump’s appeal taps into deep-seated frustrations and anxieties. Dr. Frank offers actionable advice for listeners feeling overwhelmed by ongoing stress, shares professional reflections on the complexities of collective mental health, and addresses the importance of focused engagement in times of uncertainty. The episode provides a thoughtful and compassionate lens on our emotional well being in a chaotic world.Topics Covered:Why contempt and defensiveness pervade current public discourseDr. Frank’s psychoanalytic perspective on Donald Trump’s appeal and leadership styleThe psychological roots of anger, chaos, and yearning for authorityStrategies for managing stress in an anxious political environmentThe challenges of collective mental health under divisive leadershipHow to stay grounded and mentally healthy amid constant news and upheavalKey Takeaways:Chaos can leave individuals feeling anchorless and frightened, but focusing on a single topic or issue can help regain composure and clarity.It’s important to separate the concepts of something being only one way (“only”) versus a genuinely held belief (“really”).Collective mental health is under strain, and self-care strategies are crucial.Questions I Ask (Highlights):“How is it that he [Trump] is a danger to society? Help us understand that.”"Do you get concerned about our collective mental health?"“Do you see the way that he is approaching our world as chaos?"“Can you help us understand the numbers of people that seem to support him in that, that it seems to be okay to scare people?”“Would you say that he and his followers actually believe at their core that what they are saying and doing and thinking is the way to go?”“For people who experience this administration all day long as stressful…what do we need to think about?”Top Six Quotes:“Trying to read somebody else's mind or expecting somebody else to read your mind is never a good idea and it's always going to take you down a really unpleasant path.” – Pamela Brewer“People have contempt for other people who make them uncomfortable. And so it's a way of protecting yourself from thinking and also from vulnerability.” – Dr. Justin Frank“Anger…can also be a defense against thinking because if you're really angry about something, you're not allowing yourself to entertain different possibilities.” – Dr. Justin Frank“When you're feeling in a state of chaos, you're also frightened because you don't see land anywhere. You don't see a rock to hold onto.” – Dr. Justin FrankConnect with Dr. Justin Frank:Email: [email protected] List:Book: Trump on the Couch by Dr. Justin FrankBook: Bush on the Couch by Dr. Justin FrankBook: Obama on the Couch by Dr. Justin FrankM.E.S.H. Podcast: Tune in every Wednesday to FaceBook Live and You Tube for new episodes with Dr. Pamela Brewer
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Empowerment Through Story: Helen Winslow Black Author, Seven Blackbirds
In this powerful episode of M.E.S.H., host Pamela Brewer welcomes Helen Winslow Black, author of novel Seven Blackbirds. Together, they dive into the complex realities of abusive relationships, the subtle and overt dynamics that keep people trapped, and the healing journey that follows. The conversation spans the emotional impact on survivors, the nuanced effects on children, societal expectations, and the importance of reclaiming one’s voice. Helen’s perspective, paired with Pamela’s experience as a psychotherapist, creates an insightful discussion filled with empathy and practical wisdom.Topics CoveredThe trajectory of abusive relationships and recognizing warning signsEmotional toll and obstacles to leaving an abuserThe myth of “allowing” abuse and the culture of blame/shameImpact of domestic violence on children and the importance of honestyKey TakeawaysAbuse can be very subtle at the beginning; most abusers do not reveal themselves immediately.No one is ever responsible for healing their abuser’s trauma; self-care is paramount.Societal conditioning can trap survivors in cycles of blame and silence.Children, regardless of age, are deeply affected by the atmosphere of abuse—even if not directly witnessing it.Shame and guilt culture perpetuates silence and must be dismantled for genuine recovery.Speaking out and reclaiming one’s narrative is a transformative step in healing.Six Best Quotes“You are not there to heal the other person’s trauma. You have to take care. You have to take care of yourself.” – Helen Winslow Black“An act of abuse is an affirmation that you are an object and you are a worthless object. And if you accept that, you’re giving away yourself.” – Helen Winslow Black“Children pick up on more than you think… you have to say to children, ‘This happened, I’m sorry it happened, and it was not okay.’” – Helen Winslow Black“Not your job to read someone else’s mind. Not their job to read yours. Don't assume, ask questions.” – Pamela BrewerConnect with Helen Winslow BlackWebsite: helenwinslowblack.comFacebook Author Page: Helen Winslow Black, AuthorResources ListSeven Blackbirds by Helen Winslow Black (releasing September 23; pre-order on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, independentbookstore.org)Helen’s WebsiteIndependentbookstore.org#MESHPodcast#DomesticViolenceAwareness#MentalHealthMatters#EmotionalHealth#BreakTheCycle#SurvivorStories#AbuseRecovery#SevenBlackbirds
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Tackling Conflict, Disconnection, and Infidelity in Modern Relationships
Episode Summary:In this insightful episode of M.E.S.H., host Pamela Brewer sits down with licensed clinical social worker, psychotherapist, and certified sex therapist Deborah Fox for a candid conversation about the realities of modern relationships. Together, they delve into topics like Imago Relationship Therapy, the myths and facts of sex therapy, maintaining connection after children, handling infidelity, and what to look for in a couples therapist. Deborah offers practical advice and reassurance to couples facing common challenges, highlighting connection, communication, and the value of seeking help as acts of self-care and growth.Topics Covered:What is Imago Relationship Therapy?The real work of clinical sex therapy versus myths and media portrayalsSigns it’s time to consider couples therapy: too soon or too late?The nature of conflict (or “conflict-free” claims) and connection in relationshipsChanges in sexual desire and ‘responsive’ vs. ‘intrinsic’ sexual styles in couplesNavigating sex when partners have mismatched drives or routinesThe impact of children (and step-parenting) on intimacy and partnershipRecovering from infidelity: Is the relationship over?What to expect in couples therapy sessions—including structure and therapist fitKey Takeaways:Effective couples and sex therapy is structured, active, and home-focused, not just talk.It’s never too early (or late) for couples to seek support—therapy can be a powerful gift at any stage.Disconnection often underlies relationship distress, whether or not couples argue openly.Sexual desire styles differ—understanding these differences is crucial for lasting intimacy.Prioritizing “coupleness,” even after children or in blended families, keeps relationships strong.Infidelity, while deeply painful, does not have to end a relationship—with help, trust can be rebuilt.The right therapist creates space for connection and guides, rather than judges or takes sides.Questions I Ask (Best Questions from Pamela Brewer):“What is it that a credible clinical sex therapist actually does?”“Is there ever a time it’s too soon [for couples therapy]? Is there ever a time it’s too late?”“What’s the value if any, or what’s the red flag if any, when you hear someone say, ‘Oh, we never had any conflict’?”“Their anticipation is that the magic is going to go… What do you say to those couples?”“When there is an instance of infidelity, does that mean the relationship is over?”“Is there a way to know that the therapist you’re working with is not a good fit for you?”The Six Best Quotes:“The best possible way to get yourself into relationship trouble is to assume someone else can read your mind and that you can read theirs.” — Pamela Brewer“What happens in my office is we have a conversation, we figure out what it is that’s getting in the way…but always what it’s going to come down to is what is that couple going to do at home…” — Deborah Fox“Conflict is a part of any relationship. The sooner you can learn how to approach, how you can talk about things that are your differences or tension points, you’re in a so much better position.” — Deborah Fox“They may not know the word disconnection, but when you say it, they go, yeah, that’s it. That’s what’s missing. We used to feel connected and now we’re not anymore.” — Deborah Fox“For this group of people [responsive desire], particularly, often desire comes after arousal, which is also something we don’t understand in our culture because our movies, which is our major source of sex education, they don’t talk about that part.” — Deborah Fox“We all get stuck, you know, and, and when we get stuck and we can’t really feel the way we want to feel, please get help. It’s available.” — Deborah FoxConnect with the Guest:Website: debfox.comBased in Northwest Washington, D.C.Additional articles on Medium (search “Deborah Fox”)Resources List:Deborah Fox’s website for therapy resources: debfox.comDeborah Fox on Medium for her articles (exact link not given; search her name on Medium)Imago Relationship Therapy (general info: imago-relationships.com, not directly mentioned in transcript but for further reading)No specific books, organizations, or courses were named in this episode.
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Embracing Discomfort and Unlocking Growth with Pamela Brewer and Olivia Chadwick on M.E.S.H.
M.E.S.H. Episode 1: "17 Runs with Olivia Chadwick" – Show NotesEpisode Summary:In the first episode of M.E.S.H., host Pamela Brewer sits down with Olivia Chadwick, co-author of "17 Runs: The Unbeaten Path to Unlock Life’s True Potential," to explore the intricate connections between physical activity, mental well-being, overcoming challenges, and embracing personal idiosyncrasies. Olivia shares her experience as a kinesiologist, her coaching approach for holistic health, and the powerful story behind co-writing the book with Garnett Morris, an entrepreneur and her longtime client and friend. Together, they dive deep into topics like getting comfortable with discomfort, reframing self-talk, and how embracing one’s differences can be a source of strength.Key Takeaways:Building resilience by getting comfortable with discomfortRecognizing, accepting, and working with personal idiosyncrasies The power of honest self-reflection and self-talkGrowth and development often involve discomfort; learning to sit with that discomfort is pivotal.Success is not about overcoming or erasing idiosyncrasies or diagnoses, but leveraging them.Systemic and social factors can impact the pursuit of wellness—it’s not just about discipline or willpower.Honest self-reflection and asking courageous questions lead to meaningful change.The Six Best Quotes:“The best possible way to get yourself into relationship trouble is to assume someone else can read your mind and that you can read theirs.”“[17 Runs is] a metaphor for embracing challenges in life, of setting goals and going after those goals.”“There are lots of systemic factors and social factors that haven't allowed you to pursue exercise.”“Our ability to deal with discomfort is our ability to regulate emotion.”“You can have a diagnosis and it doesn't mean that you can't do anything. It doesn't mean that you're flawed.”“Being very honest with yourself about what you really think is going on, I think is the most important part.”Connect with the Guest:Website: movement-medicine.comInstagram: @lifelessons_on_the_run (from "lifelessons on the run" mention; confirm spelling on Instagram)Book: 17 Runs: The Unbeaten Path to Unlock Life’s True Potential (available wherever fine books are sold and as an audiobook on Audible)Resources List:Book: 17 Runs: The Unbeaten Path to Unlock Life’s True Potential (find everywhere books are sold & on Audible)Website: movement-medicine.comInstagram: @lifelessons_on_the_runTop 8 Hashtags: #MentalHealth #EmotionalHealth #SocialHealth #Kinesiology #PersonalDevelopment #SelfHelp #Resilience #17Runs
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Discover M.E.S.H.: 20-Minute Episodes on Mental, Emotional, and Social Health
Exciting News! Introducing M.E.S.H. – Your Weekly Boost for Mental, Emotional, and Social HealthI’m thrilled to announce M.E.S.H., hosted by Dr. Pamela Brewer, the familiar voice from "Mind Talk." This is your new go-to podcast for concise, impactful conversations about your well-being. With episodes designed for our busy lives, you’ll get valuable insights in just 20 minutes every Wednesday.Key takeaways from the M.E.S.H. trailer:🎧 Short and insightful: Each episode is just 20 minutes—perfect for your packed schedule.🧠 Holistic focus: Tap into topics covering your mental, emotional, and social health.🔄 Community invites: Listen, subscribe, share, and be part of a supportive conversation every Wednesday.Ready to prioritize your well-being? Don’t miss an episode—connect with M.E.S.H. and join the conversation!#Podcast #MentalHealth #EmotionalWellness #SocialHealth #MESH #PamelaBrewer
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