We Are Human

There's a question keeping every course creator and coach up at night right now: if AI can answer almost any question instantly, what are people actually paying you for?Chris Cameron, VP of Coaching Programs at Prime Mover and ClickFunnels and the man behind Russell Brunson's 2CCX and Prime Mover coaching programs, joins Andrea and Susan to answer it. With 26 years alongside Russell and a front-row seat to how the industry is shifting, Chris brings a grounded, experience-first perspective to the AI conversation that cuts through the noise.In this episode, you'll learn:Why AI can deliver information but cannot replicate the lived experience that creates real transformationHow Russell Brunson's 10-80-10 framework keeps humans in the driver's seat while letting AI do the heavy liftingThe hybrid facilitated learning model that Prime Mover uses to scale coaching without losing the human elementWhy disclosing that something is AI actually increases trust and tolerance from your audienceHow the "time-money loop" works: why people give you time before money, and how human connection drives retention and ascensionThe three types of learning, and why only one of them actually requires a coachConnect with Chris Cameron:Website: sellingonline.comPodcast: ClickFunnels RadioFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/cameron.chris001Connect with Us:Watch episodes: https://WeAreHumanShow.com Work with us: https://geekoutconnect.com If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe and leave a review. It helps more humans find us!Stay human. Stay connected.

Your brain was designed to heal your body. So why isn't it working?Lori Olds, naturopathic practitioner and founder of Ascend Brain Center, joins Andrea and Susan to break down the science of why so many of us are stuck in chronic fight-or-flight, and what it actually takes to get out.From microcurrent neurofeedback to haptic frequency patches that send corrective signals through your skin directly to your brain, Lori's work is part cutting-edge science, part reminder that your body already knows what to do when given the right signal.In this episode, you'll learn:Why your nervous system gets rewired around fight-or-flight as the new normal, and how to reverse itWhat microcurrent neurofeedback is and why it can work when talk therapy hasn'tHow haptic patches use your skin to send corrective frequency signals to the brain, with zero ingredients entering your bodyWhat each of the 15 brain codes does, from Peace and Liberty to Joy, Defend, Zen, and Kick ItWhy Lori believes a regulated nervous system is the foundation for showing up fully humanInterested in Super Patch?Use this link and both Lori and Susan will benefit: https://www.susanleonardson.com/superpatchConnect with Lori Olds:Website: ascendbraincenter.comConnect with Us:Watch episode: WeAreHumanShow.comWork with us: GeekOutConnect.comStay Human. Stay Connected.Disclaimer: The content shared in this episode is for informational and entertainment purposes only. Andrea Peer, Susan Leonardson, and their guests are not licensed medical or healthcare professionals, and nothing discussed should be taken as medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always consult a qualified healthcare provider before making any changes to your health routine or treatment plan.

AI can write your emails, build your funnel, and personalize every touchpoint in your client journey. But what it can't do is create what happens off screen, the moment your client tears open a box, runs their fingers across the pages, catches the scent of something unexpected, and feels the weight of a medal they actually earned. That experience is entirely, irreducibly human. And according to Mark Stern, most online business owners are leaving it completely on the table.Mark is the founder of Custom Box Agency, and in this conversation with Andrea and Susan, he makes the case that we've been so seduced by the efficiency of digital that we've accidentally stripped out the very thing that makes transformation stick: the body. Experience is perceived through the senses, and every fully digital product is working with two of the five. The other three are wide open, and almost nobody in the online business world is touching them.This is an episode about reclaiming the senses AI will never own, and building a business around them.In this episode, you'll hear:Why digital-only delivery is failing clients at the moment they need momentum mostHow tapping into touch, smell, and physical interaction creates deeper memory and identity shiftsWhy the decline of the info product is actually an invitation to do something more humanHow to design a physical product experience that builds confidence, gamifies progress, and keeps clients engaged for the long haulWhy the rise of AI is making physical products more powerful, not less, and what "AI-enabled" boxes actually look like in practiceConnect with Mark Stern:Website: customboxagency.comFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/mark.sternoLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marustern/Connect with Us:Work with us: https://GeekOutConnect.comWatch episodes: https://WeAreHumanShow.comIf you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe and leave a review. It helps more humans find us!Stay human. Stay connected.

What if the secret to selling more was simply being more human? Jenna Larson has built two software companies, GroupTrack CRM™ and ANA AI™, on exactly that bet, and she's watching it pay off.Jenna joins Andrea and Susan to pull back the curtain on the philosophy, the frameworks, and the real story behind organic sales done right. From managing 300 students a week in corporate to coxing Olympic rowers to lovingly forcing entrepreneurs out of their own way, Jenna has spent her entire career mastering one thing: understanding what humans actually need and then delivering it without apology.In this episode, you'll learn:Why Jenna believes human connection is about to become the ultimate flex in business, and what that means for how you show upHow GroupTrack CRM™ is using AI to surface buying signals in your DMs so you spend time on the conversations most likely to convertWhat ANA AI™ actually does, and why scraping social media for your customers' exact words is the fastest path to offers that sellThe "start as a robot, respond as a human" framework for organic outreach that removes the "ick" factor completelyWhy Jenna turned down full automation even at the risk of losing her company, and what that decision is teaching the marketConnect with Jenna Larson:Instagram: @OrganicSalesSystemFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/jenna.d.larsonFacebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/967342747056980Connect with Us:Watch episodes: https://WeAreHuman.comWork with us: https://GeekOutConnect.comIf you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe and leave a review, it helps more humans find us!

Some people are naturally wired to connect. Turner Leslie is one of them, and he's turned that gift into a career.From managing Dream 100 relationships at ClickFunnels to building out personalized gift campaigns at Mailbox Power, Turner has spent years proving one thing, people do business with people they genuinely like. And there isn't a shortcut.In this episode, Andrea and Susan sit down with Turner to unpack what real human connection looks like in business, why the market is hungry for it right now, and how busy entrepreneurs can use technology to stay personal at scale.In this episode, you'll learn:Why connection is hardwired into some people from birth, and how you can develop it tooThe relationship-first framework Turner used to build Dream 100 programs at ClickFunnelsHow to track your key relationships using a simple tiered spreadsheet (no fancy CRM required)Why the ask always comes after the relationship, and what happens when you flip that orderHow Mailbox Power helps businesses send personalized physical gifts and cards automatically, so the human touch doesn't get lost when you scaleTurner's PRRR Method: Prospecting, Recognition, Retention, Reputation, and ReferralsThe one daily habit Turner swears by to stay grounded when the world keeps pushing screensLearn more about Mailbox Power here: https://geekoutconnect.com/mailboxConnect with Turner Leslie:Instagram: @turnerleslieConnect with Us:Work with us: geekoutconnect.comWatch episodes: wearehumanshow.com

When was the last time you walked away from a conversation and thought, "That person was completely, fully there with me"? Not checking their phone. Not waiting for their turn to talk. Not trying to impress you. Just, there.That's what it feels like to spend time with Sarah Grace Allred. And in this episode, Andrea and Susan go deep trying to figure out exactly how she does it, and whether the rest of us can learn it too.What starts as a conversation about presence turns into something much bigger: a real exploration of what makes human connection possible in a world that keeps pulling us away from each other. Sarah's secret weapon is a single question she carries into every room she enters: "How are we alike?" Not what can I get from this person, not how do I look, not what do I need to say next. Just, where do we meet?In this episode, you'll learn:The question Sarah asks in every conversation that creates instant connection, and how to make it your ownWhy the ordinary, unsung parts of someone's life matter more than their accomplishments when it comes to real relationshipHow a lesson from Sarah's late grandmother (a tobacco farmer who was unfazed by prophets) shaped the way she moves through the worldThe difference between the hero's journey and the heroine's journey, and what it reveals about what people actually need before they'll trust youWhy making space for hesitation, fear, and uncertainty builds deeper loyalty than confidence ever couldWhat it means to let another person's lostness, and your own, be the bridge between youThis one is for anyone who has ever wanted to be better at showing up for the people in their life, in conversations, in business, and everywhere in between.Connect with Sarah Grace Allred:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/sarahgraceallredConnect with Us:Website: https://wearehumanshow.comWork with us: https://geekoutconnect.comIf this episode meant something to you, subscribe and leave a review, it helps more humans find us.Stay human. Stay connected.

Your best client just had their best month ever, then canceled the next day. Sound familiar? The reason might not be what you think.Andrea sits down with Mike Walker, CEO of ClientBloom.ai and bestselling author of The Exceptional Experience and Systems Thinking Visionary, to unpack why traditional engagement metrics lie to us, why caring too much about the wrong clients drains your business, and what actually keeps people coming back month after month.Mike's journey from shaping surfboards in his parents' garage to building an international brand to creating AI-powered client retention software gives him a rare lens on what it means to build something people love, both as a product and as an experience.In this episode, you'll discover:Why high engagement doesn't always mean a healthy client, and the behavioral signal that actually predicts cancellationThe critical difference between clients who need your help and those who deserve it, and how to tell them apartWhy identity transformation matters more than motivation for long-term client successHow the "dating to marriage" transition in client relationships is where most businesses drop the ballThe pattern recognition approach that catches churn signals humans miss, like a client reopening their contract email six times in 24 hoursResources Mentioned:MikeGWalker.comClientBloom.aiConnect with Us:WeAreHumanShow.com Work with us: GeekOutConnect.comIf you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe and leave a review, it helps more humans find us!Stay human. Stay connected.

What happens when you use AI every single day, but your audience can literally feel when something isn't authentic? Laurence Santer lives at that exact intersection, and what he's learned will change how you think about AI in your business.Laurence is the CMO and operations officer for Hay House author Heidi Sawyer, whose business serves over 80,000 intuitive sensitives, people with a heightened ability to sense what's real and what isn't. In this conversation, Andrea and Susan sit down with Laurence to explore how he uses AI as a daily thinking partner while fiercely protecting the human connection his community demands.In this episode, you'll discover:Why having a clear "North Star" for who you serve is the single most important thing when working with AI, and how Laurence trains AI to match Heidi's voice and valuesThe "upstream and downstream" framework for using AI as a thought partner to explore a thousand ideas before narrowing to the ones that matterHow to decide where AI stops and the human shows up in your customer journey, and why that line might be further along than you thinkThe concept of the "emotional matriarch" and the mother tree, and why intuition and empathy will be the most valued skills in an AI-driven futureWhy a thousand true fans who'd come to dinner beat a hundred thousand followers, and how to build a filtration system that protects your community's energyResources Mentioned:Heidi Sawyer's website: HeidiSawyer.comHeidi Sawyer's Hay House book (top 0.05% of all books sold on Amazon)Connect with Us:Watch these episodes at https://WeAreHumanShow.com Work with us: https://geekoutconnect.com

What if the customers you secretly wish would just "figure it out" are actually your biggest growth opportunity?Most course creators and online business owners design products for people like themselves, the self-starting 2% who don't need hand-holding. But that leaves 16% of potential customers underserved, not because they're the wrong fit, but because the experience wasn't designed for them. In this episode, Andrea and Susan dive into Compassionate Reach, the second framework in their human-centered business approach, and reveal why this might be the most personally challenging (and rewarding) work you'll do.In this episode, you'll learn:Why the bell curve of customer achievement matters for your business growthThe surprising connection between your own feelings of inadequacy and better product designHow Andrea used her health journey struggles to innovate for 75-year-old tech-challenged membersThe difference between cheerleading, shaming, and true compassion in customer communicationTactical email strategies that use accountability with humor instead of making customers feel badWhy post-purchase is still "sales mode" and what that means for retentionConnect with us and watch video episodes at:wearehumanshow.com

What if the reason your students aren't completing your course has nothing to do with your content, and everything to do with how you're designing the experience?In this episode, Andrea shares the deeply personal origin story behind Journey Crafting, the framework she developed after leaving her Silicon Valley career and rediscovering her own relationship with emotions. Susan and Andrea break down why most digital courses feel the same (hint: it's not a coincidence) and reveal the critical first step that can increase student engagement by up to 60%.In this episode, you'll learn:Why course software "affordance" leads creators to design identical, ineffective experiencesThe Identity Step: how to bridge the gap between "I bought this" and "I'm becoming this"Why leading with logistics kills momentum, and where it should actually goHow to deconstruct expert knowledge so your customers can actually absorb itThe difference between the micro journey (your program) and the macro journey (your world)Andrea explains the UX concept of mental models and why entrepreneurs, like engineers, chunk information in ways that confuse their customers. She also shares the moment signing a simple manifesto made her feel more pride than earning her PhD, and why that emotional response became the foundation for everything she teaches.Connect with Us:Website: wearehumanshow.comIf you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe and leave a review, it helps more humans find us!Stay human. Stay connected.

We've been trusting machines to help us for 3,000 years, from bronze guardians in ancient Greece to those infuriating phone trees we all know too well. But AI agents are different. We actually like them. And that might be a problem.In this episode, Andrea and Susan unpack the AI agent craze sweeping the online business world. With clients asking about AI agents constantly and mentors predicting they're "the next big thing," they dig into why we trust AI so much more than previous automated systems, and whether that trust is warranted when it comes to actually helping people learn and grow.In this episode, you'll learn:The three psychological factors that make AI feel more trustworthy than older techWhy "info dumping" into an AI agent won't create real behavioral changeHow to evaluate whether an AI agent can actually deliver on its promisesThe critical difference between removing friction and promoting transformationQuestions to ask before building or buying an AI agent for your businessConnect with Us:https://WeAreHumanShow.comhttps://GeekOutConnect.com If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe and leave a review, it helps more humans find us!

What if the reason your digital course, community, or AI-powered product isn’t “landing” has nothing to do with your content—and everything to do with the human experience you designed (or didn’t)?In this solo episode of We Are Human, Andrea Peer and Susan Leonardson break down 8 human-centered principles they use to build technology-enabled experiences that still feel personal, supportive, and deeply human, without requiring you to be available 24/7.You’ll learn:Why journey crafting has to start with the human (not the tool)How compassionate reach helps you design for more than the 1–2% “high achievers”The hidden power of celebration architecture (and why being “seen” drives transformation)How to use intentional analytics to spot where people fall off the path—and what to do nextWhy progressive empowerment reduces anxiety and increases follow-throughThe difference between education vs entertainment vs escapism experiences (and why it matters)How “doing it wrong” reveals deviation wisdom you can build into your deliveryWhy the best systems rely on continuous human experimentation, not perfectionIf you’re building with AI, automation, or online education and you don’t want to lose human connection along the way, this episode is your starting point.Connect with us / suggest a guest: https://WeAreHumanShow.comEnjoy the show? Follow/subscribe and leave a review—it helps more humans find the conversation.Timestamps:00:00 Welcome + why this podcast exists02:45 Principle 1: Journey Crafting10:58 Principle 2: Compassionate Reach18:33 Principle 3: Celebration Architecture22:25 Principle 4: Intentional Analytics28:26 Principle 5: Progressive Empowerment30:24 Principle 6: Context-Aware Experiences31:50 Principle 7: Deviation Wisdom34:56 Principle 8: Continuous Human Experimentation38:44 Closing + how to connect

This one gets personal.In Episode 3, Susan and Andrea pull back the curtain on who they actually are—their backgrounds, their values, and the unexpected ways they're using AI in their everyday lives.Hint: it's not about productivity. It's not about automation.And it's definitely not what you'd expect.They also get into what they do at GeekOut, the business they run together and why the problem they're trying to solve is harder than it looks.Want to connect with us? https://geekoutconnect.com [email protected]

We know all the tricks. We study human behavior. We build systems designed to connect with people. And yet we are still learning and figuring it out.In this episode, Susan and Andrea get honest about the gap between knowing how to reach people and actually reaching them.They talk about why industries are resisting tech they can't avoid, why schools banning AI might be doing students a disservice, and what it really means to not just stay human, but amplify humanness in everything we build.This isn't a business podcast. This is a "we're a little worried about where society is headed if we don't figure this out" podcast.No answers yet. Just the questions we think everyone should be asking.

Welcome to the very first episode of We Are Human!In this intro episode, Susan and Andrea break down the big question driving the show: In a world where we can automate almost everything, what happens to the stuff that makes us... us?Susan confesses that her creative brain muscle has gotten a little weak from outsourcing too much to AI (relatable), and Andrea drops the bold take that leaning into tech might actually make us more human... if we do it right.If you've ever caught yourself asking ChatGPT to write an email and then thought, "Wait, should I be worried about this?", you're in the right place.Stay human. Stay connected.And maybe exercise that creative muscle a little today.