#2499 - Marcus King

The Joe Rogan experience Crazy dear that's crazy to have you here man, and thank you so much for the guitar. That's the dopest shit that anybody's ever given I mean, I'll be like it. I'm sure I like it I just can't play and I would love to learn how to play but I know my brain and I can't get my brain another thing to do You got a lot of the problem is I get obsessed with things me too. I'm sure you can't get as good as you got without getting obsessed Are you like this like I don't like doing things? I'm not good at I love doing things. I'm not good at it

To get good at them, right? But it's just it's not leisurely to me like golf like I can't enjoy it because I'm bad at it Well, you'll enjoy if you get good at it But the problem is to get good at it then you got to get obsessed Yeah, and then you got to take less like Jamie's got a fucking virtual reality thing in the back where he waxed balls every day He's obsessed. He's looking recovering from hitting today Golf is one of those things that if you get into that man, that's your whole fucking day Week When I was living in Boston, I noticed that the comedians that really got into golf their career kind of stalled Because all they were they were just playing golf all day having fun drinking and then they'd go to the club at night But they weren't right now you knew jokes. They weren't obsessing on their career It kind of stalled out a little I still drank I really like Whether you quit drinking well, I quit a few times but most recent times like a year and a half ago Will you quit and because it was to you were just off the rails or like get your health in order?

It was kind of a combo deal, you know Like when I met my wife at that point, I thought that I could drink like a gentleman It just never really worked out that way. There's just something in me that just wanted to completely burn my life to the ground Every time I like you know a real destructive quality. Oh, that's not good. Yeah, fortunately, I never had that but that is a thing I've seen that What is that? I?

Think it's I think a lot of it is repressed emotions And that's where they find you when your brain is Yeah, yeah, they go a markers. Yeah, let's get those problems out seduce is me. It's like you don't need anybody fuck Every woman that marries you you don't want her like I think sometimes people do that to almost like save themselves from heartbreak Sometimes you kind of like wreck it yourself. It's like making fun of yourself before anyone else can write that. Yeah, right?

Like just assume it's gonna go bad eventually. Let's get this fucking train on the tracks right now crack That was that was kind of my you know, that was my approach for a while I just um, I don't know man. I was just I didn't want to feel anything So that was all that was where it would always end up. I remember even asking my wife like a couple years ago We open up for the Avid brothers in Raleigh, North Carolina And at that point I'd been sober for like six months and I was like I really think I handle it Jumbo white car like I started with a jumbo white cloth and I just got completely hammered blacked out Piss my wife off so bad like I woke up and I was at our friend's house still like on the floor and she left in my bus And like my wallet everything's all I had no identification. She was like you can figure it out man Wow, and the bus turnaround come got me but Yes, she doesn't play any games. So did you stop then?

Yeah, I did also one night. Yeah, I had one night off the leash and I You know, there's just some kind of quality in me. It's like I can't stop, you know, and maybe someday I'll find it. It's like I gotta get right in here, you know and in here with myself before I can really consider that again I quit drinking for about eight months just because I realized I just wasn't feeling good I was doing it because of the club. I was at the club every night and you know, it's like one night Someone will say hey, let's do shots. I'll do a shot. I want to be you know cordial hang out with everybody

It's not the community. Let's all together. Come on boys And then you know it's two drinks three drinks go home get up feel like shit work out do it again The next day feel even shittier the next day and it's like god damn I gotta take some time off So I took about eight months off I think I'm not exactly sure how much time I took off and then I had like a drink with dinner one night I said alright and so since then I've never gotten drunk. I've only had a drink or two Yeah, you know so I've managed it, but I was not an alcoholic I was just realizing that all this fun was it was messing up the rest of my time I was like, what is it? There's an expression that when you drinking like the you're you're taking a loan out on The good times that you could have had for some good times you can have right now. Wow, then you gotta pay it back

Yeah, with interest. Yeah, well physically the problem is physically for me. It just wasn't worth it I just I would be working out with the gym going why am I doing this? I keep feeling like shit and every time I'm working on I'm pushing through all this You know toxic shit that I poured down my throat the night before and my body's recovering from it So I feel tired and drained and then my brain wasn't working as well, you know That was that's what it was for me was like the anxiety and just like the the dopamine depletion Mmm just feeling just completely just like and I'm somebody who's already struggling with like that's why I drink in the first place It's like my mental issues and just anxiety and depression and and then it would just kind of hit me tenfold the next day It's always interesting to me with some with anxiety chooses a path in life like live performing That gives people anxiety. It's live performing and you're really good at it. Well, that's crazy

It's like you know, you're picking this thing that you're really good at but that gives a lot of people anxiety and you have anxiety to begin with Yeah, I mean it's like There's something to that it's like Dan Soder. I always quote him on this He's like, you know, I go around each night like craving the approval of like thousands of people a night You like you didn't think I was doing that because things went well growing up, right? I'm fucked up. I need I need all these people to tell me I'm doing a good job, but I think the idea is that eventually you channel that and when you get yourself together some people have this idea that if you ever get yourself together somewhat And often anybody gets totally together you get yourself together somewhat and then you don't you don't do it for the approval of it You do it for the love of the art of it the thing and bringing the thing to people and getting enjoyment out of having these people have a good time Yeah, I think you I think that can be done. I think you can Shift your focus from I just want these people's love to I want to give them love. I want everyone to have a good time

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Website or domain everybody's better off and that's the shit man. That's what I crave And I mean, that's why like we just did a run of Texas hockey talks Which that was kind of the goal was just to get everybody in these sweaty rooms just for the purpose of just like enjoying music again Back to the sticky floors. Yeah, well you reached out to me because we were talking on the podcast about how rock rolls kind of dead Yeah, I fucking rock roll a dead come on and I was like alright well Tell me that rock rolls my dead it's Marcus gay man Yeah, I was my boy been journey. He told me he's like you should take Joe I was like you think I should say something like yeah fuck it up rolling dead man's here tonight green hall Well, it's not dead, but it's different and a lot of the rock that's out now That's doing really well is like a southern inspired rock, which is interesting It's like a southern almost country like rock like bluesy country rock, you know red clay strays like that country They're doing great. It's like there's a lot of that out there, you know, like people people are digging that kind of music

But there's just you know when I talk about like rock I mean like when I was in high school it was all van Halen AC DC like that There was so many big rock and roll bands the stones, you know There was just so much of that out there and it's odd that there's not a lot of big bands like that anymore I think it's coming back around. I gotta hope so Yeah, it doesn't make sense to me because like the classic rock is still like wearing the green room and free bird comes on still Everybody's going nuts. I mean, you know, I mean there's classics another southern rock and roll band Leonard's getting her but there's there's still like a love of that kind of music, but it's just It's weird that it kind of You know, it just didn't I don't know what happened What's interesting how cyclical the music industry can be?

I'm like I feel like for the first time in the last ten years Like since urban cowboy came out like because I mean for the last ten years I've been going to LA with a cowboy hat on and always get the same shit like where you want to park your horse, you know? Like what are you up to? Cowboy people just talk shit, but now I got there and everybody's got a cowboy hat on really? It's like chic. Yeah That's interesting. It's like in Vogue

I'm with thing and she's not want to wear it that way Well, you know, it's just I think rock and roll is kind of having a similar resurgence. God. I hope so I hope so You know, I mean there's got to be people out there that still love it and I just don't I mean I just don't understand how there's no New big bands like that well, it's interesting, you know, I was actually I was in the gym watching Led Zeppelin at Royal Albert Hall. Oh, wow, and I was like this is a fucking jam band They're jamming you know, and I'm like it just like the almond brothers band was a jam band I mean they had guidelines and that's kind of how we do our show like we have songs that were Playing just to get to that that improvisational section where we can just kind of you know work with the chemistry of the crowd and each Other on stage and it's just It's interesting to me like the way things have become subdivided, you know, it's like you know Jamband unless it's like widespread or like fish or like the dead or something like that But like Zeppelin was a fucking jam band. Yeah in a lot of ways. Yeah, especially when they're performing live. Yeah, yeah

What does that band that sounds like Zeppelin? Redman fleet. Yeah, great. I'm a fleet. They're fucking great. They are good. It's weird. It's weird because they sound so much like Zeppelin

But they're really good. So like I give them pass. They get a pass from me I mean, they're my boys. I really I really like those dudes like we used to party together bunch They live in Nashville and a guitar player Jake. He's He's just the sweetest guy like he gave me a housewarming gift. He's like really into pirate stuff pirate stuff

Yeah, he's really into piracy and he gave me a like a Like a musket pistol. Oh, wow what a pirate would have carried around I got a real one. Yeah, so like from the olden days Yeah, oh shit, that's gonna be worth a lot of fucking money. Yeah, I mean they're doing pretty well Wow, what is a old musket pistol run? How much can you get one of them for?

See if you find something Jamie. Yeah an old musket pistol, you know when the conquistadors took over Mexico That's they had 12 of those. That's it 12 guns 12 musket pistols. Wow. Yeah, I looked that up on perplexity I was diving deep into how the fuck Mexico became Spanish. You know, like what happened?

How did it like they lost like a hundred indigenous languages at least well? It's kind of crazy, but Here it is What you can get one from a hundred ninety five bucks modern reproduction. Oh reproductions. What about a real one down here antique ones? 17th century Barbie Wars antique pirate flint lock pistol recently sold for four hundred sixteen dollars. That's it. No

That seems crazy That seems crazy. That's it's pretty good for gift. I'd say looks I'm based on how many productions and what you just said there being 12 back then they might not be that many of them that exist Hmm make reproductions, but if this is antique pirate era muskets and it's said it's sold for four hundred sixteen bucks I mean from the 17th century. It sucks. It's a man. It's from the sixteen hundreds and it's over four hundred sixteen bucks

I'll try look it up. Can you see what those look like? Let's see if we can get one we should get one and put it on the wall. Oh shit. Yeah One that's the one that's over four hundred bucks. That says a hundred fifty five dollars, but that's crazy

How are they so cheap? The first sixteen that seems like they should be almost priceless. I mean this is from the fucking sixteen hundreds and it's sold for four hundred bucks That one's all for two hundred bucks. Wow. I'll pick them up. There's a store in Austin

I bet they've got a bunch. No way really I went to the store They got a bunch of weird shit like this must that would have to happen throwing three hundred bucks And all kinds of armor and guns and cannons What what places this called collectors? There's something weird about those dudes who like I want to recreate wars. Yeah, that's an odd thing. That's a very odd thing Yeah, I mean, I've got the facial hair of a civil war Right actor, but it's about as close as I get shit on the wall. Oh wow. That's in Austin. Yeah. No shit

Well, that's pretty fucking dope. Yeah collectors crossroads in there one day to see what it was about and they have a little musket pistols I'm not gonna have you know Crossroads crossroads. Just a shitty gun. I'm not a fan Yeah, I guess it's kind of cool, but it's just uh It is weird that we're really into like old like you know, it's interesting you're holding something That's a piece of history and what history is like at the time This was the shit like at the time. This was like the coolest thing you can get like 400 years ago You wanted to kill some money. This was the way to do it. Yeah, one of these things which is very odd. Yeah, it's just very odd that

Oh, I don't know if it was George Washington shit there, but they had that's what it looks like it would be George Washington swords I don't know we should get one of those for Shane. He's a big George Washington fan. Oh, look here you go Oh wow, look at that That's crazy. Yeah, I mean that's a weird one. Look at the handle on that fuckers. It's from Middle East Central Asia

I could look it's got like a dragon mouth on the back of it. That's pretty sweet. Huh? All right, we need one of those It's a road trip, we should probably do it for this episode coming out tonight. Yeah, we need to go there today before this episode Go fuck up their business Go there. It's empty. Oh, these dorks have fucking armor over their house now

It's just people that are really into like the old wars and recreating old wars I always I would want to know like what's wrong with you. What happened? Yeah, it's um, I grew up with a kid that was like that That was obsessed with like everything army navy But his father was in the military, but he had never gone in the military. They wouldn't accept him. Why I don't know He's I don't think he could ever pass the physical. He was a bigger dude. Oh, okay

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Just hanging on the pull up bar in front of all my classmates and not being able to do one pull up Just hanging there. What is the presidential fitness test? It's something they did when I was a kid It's like I wanted to make sure that you could do like ten push-ups or however many pull-ups or whatever How many pull-ups do you have to do for the presidential fitness test? There's different standard, but they literally this was going on last week They just started up again Donald Trump had the like rice in the chambo in the White House with a couple guys Gary Playin over well, they had kids in there also. That's funny. It's funny because you'd go. Hey, why don't you do it?

Let me see you do it shit up, bro. Let me push up for a ten year old 22 push-ups. That's a lot Yeah, 45 curl-ups. That's crazy six pull-ups. That's a lot. What's a curl up with the other way like biceps hands?

You know pull up with your hand 45. Yeah, come on. That's crazy. Yeah, wait a minute. I'm eight minute mile Come on. Is that really it says six pull-ups or 45 curl-ups, but curl-ups aren't that much easier than pull-ups

Are they I remember when I was 10 they were what but that's just being a 10 year old because your body you're only like 60 You know, I don't know kids are light usually lighter than I am. I was heavier than most I was gonna say there are different standards. I remember kids. Well, bro, 45 is crazy. That seems That seems like a lot of reps. I don't even understand how that's possible that that's the standard

I don't think I could do that actually I think there are those are sit-ups. It's calling out a curl-up because here's Okay, okay, okay, okay sit-ups. Okay. Okay. I want to call on a curl-ups because I was like 45 Chin-ups, so it's like there's pull-ups and chin-ups which ones a pull-up? What's one's a chin-up pull-up hands over?

Okay, and then chin-up and I was saying that that's what I was 45 those would be bonkers. That's crazy I can't do that that's because like six pull-ups I could do easy, but 45 but 45 sit-ups is still hard. That's hard too That's a lot. It's a standard. Huh, that's a kid's there. That seems like a lot of kids wouldn't be there for 45 sit-ups. What are they trying to do?

What are they doing to us? I would fail not to so they couldn't draft me. These motherfuckers talking about drafting people I was listening to Tim Dillon showing you saying that pal- see if this is true that Palantir thinks that we should reintroduce Conscription that kids should start getting drafted again into military and they should have mandatory military experience for kids I just don't understand why anybody would want to support that. That sounds crazy Especially after the see Ron War where everybody's like why the fuck are we in Iran and if you signed up for that That sounds nuts. Is that real?

Palantir is publicly called for the US to move away from an all-volunteer military and towards some form of universal national service The many observers interpret as reintroducing a draft or conscription Yeah, it's him. We got into this manifesto that I didn't I've looked into this show Why the fuck would a tech company be saying that we need to move towards a universal national military service? How about fuck you? How about fuck you you go? Because you know none of these tech dorks that are running these companies. They're not doing it. Like what are you talking about?

Yeah, we're meeting into the machine right people's children into these unnecessary wars fuck you scary It's very scary. It's scary that they would like how about let's figure out a way to use your technology So there's no more wars wouldn't that be a better goal right instead of getting kids to fucking learn how to go shoot people? They don't know sure because someone tells you to and how many of these out of all the wars that we've been in since World War two Is it zero that made sense? I think it's zero only there's one war that we've been in since World War two that makes any fucking sense at all sure And they're like I think the solution is we need more people to be forced into it I mean what would a draft look like in today's culture?

I mean like with inclusion would it be like anybody had 18 years old to be drafted or do you think it would still be just able By the young men that's a good question You know I'm for people doing whatever they want but when it comes to like combat You're gonna draft women that would be fucking insane that would be insane So are you not gonna be sexist or are you gonna yeah? You gonna go inclusion and say everybody has to do it Well, then that'll be good for America because most people would say get the fuck out of here There's no chance in hell we're doing that right? I just don't understand how people that aren't elected officials that essentially just run a tech company We think it's a good idea to call for national military service. I've heard other people say that too I've heard like Podcasters and weird tech people say it's a good idea and I don't know what the fuck they're thinking I think they should have to go over there and experience war and then and then come back and see if you really think the same thing Sure I buy that I mean or at least go on like a USO tour some go Jeff Ross See what it's about you. Well, then you're just gonna meet people that are happy to see you. You need to actually see combat

I just don't get my weird listening to them. You make software. Yeah, it's interesting that they don't even have the Why would they say that? No doesn't sound good and it's also they make weird surveillance software that a lot of people like about how much are you? Sevear how much power do you have like Tim Dillon went pretty deep on it on the show which is I can't recommend enough if you Not listen to Tim Dillon show you're fucking up. It's the funniest fucking take on all the chaos

What's going on the world? I don't think there's anybody better right now. His his podcast is fucking phenomenal I'm it's my must listen to podcast every week. Yep. It's so good I just listen, but if you watch it's even more ridiculous. He did this thing about them giving Ozempic to babies. Oh

It was so funny. It was so ridiculous. Oh My dad did Ozempic and he said man, you know what you can eat through that He's like you just keep going. You won't feel great, but you know it curves your appetite, but you get it down Well, Tim talked about it because he did it And he said it didn't just stop his desire for food. It stopped his desire for everything which I've heard So there's some people that think there's some good in these GLP ones for addiction Because it curbs whatever that is as well. So it can help people with all court all kinds of addiction

So not just like food addictions alcohol, but gambling like weird stuff. I heard that Yeah, I did I actually I was doing it for a minute and it was around the time that I was like one of the times I was trying to quit drinking and I was working on record and I was trying it out and it actually Curved my desire for a drink. Yeah. Yeah, what else did it do? Give me really bad stomach cramps. Yeah

And also, I mean that was like before I really I just I don't know at that time of my life I just wasn't really concerned about what I put in my body, you know, I say that well I'm smoking a cigarette, but you know But dude, you smoke a natural spirits. I think those are safe and effective. Yeah, you know, add it to free. Yeah I just uh, I always wonder about these things when things come along to get people an easy fix like okay Maybe it works or maybe there's some sort of side effect that's gonna fuck you out for the rest of your life And for some people there is I mean some people are experiencing all kinds of wild side effects Mm-hmm stomach paralysis is one of them. Um, Brian Simpson got pancreatitis from it. Really? Mm-hmm. Yeah, he was sick in bed for like two weeks

It fucked him up. Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean the long-term effects like you just have no idea because it's new. Mm-hmm You know, I've also heard that the problem is that dosages are too high and what you know when you go into a doctor They give you a standard dosage and the way to do it Some people feel is to make a much smaller dose than what they're prescribing and that that's what you need You just need a little bit of a curb to it not like a complete cessation of all desire to eat right? Get into that that high dosage really fast could probably be harmful or Have some fucking discipline. Yeah, how about try that out? How about try out don't eat as much?

Same thing right except this way it's not gonna kill your body or kill your stomach or make you go blind or what other side effects Because there's a lot of lawsuits. There's a shit ton of lawsuits that are coming down the pipe because I think people have gone blind I think I might have made that up check that This is a wild lawsuits. Yeah, where people are claiming bad side effects and stuff which you know makes sense It's medication people very biologically can cause permanent blindness. Yeah in one eye. Oh, well, you know, you got your other guy and then you get a six back I stroke. Oh boy. Oh

Non-arturitic interior ischemic optic neuropathy. I don't think I said that right sudden painless and often permanent blindness in one eye Wow, there it does Side effects acute pancreatitis. That's what Brian got gallbladder problems Gastroparesis stomach paralysis bowel obstructions and potential thyroid tumors. Hmm mild GI issues are common These severe complications require immediate medical attention often occurring more frequently at higher doses. Yeah, that's what they're saying It's apparently when you're getting it from a pharmaceutical drug company. You're getting it

This is the argument for compounding pharmacies apparently and then then there's a new one that's coming out. What is it called to a tide? Reddit Reddit through tide and this one is supposed to be better because it doesn't cause muscle loss and it doesn't cause bone density loss And it's supposed to be more effective Investigation oh, I just typed in Reddit. She's telling me. Isn't that weird word investigational once weekly injectable triple agonist medication targeting GLP1 GIP and glucogen Receptors developed by Eli Lilly showing unprecedented weight loss results of up to 24% in phase two trials They said this is gonna be a trillion dollar medication Or How some fucking discipline yeah go to the gym eat better be healthy do what jelly roll did yeah, you know jelly rolls at the club I'm he's down 300 pounds. That's fucking nice runs like five miles a day. He works out every day

He looks fantastic. He looks like a different person. It's like I knew him when he was like 500 pounds now I know him when he's in the twos it's like he's a different human he looks different I know it's still jelly roll, but it looks like a completely different man nuts I remember when we did I was in the house band for kill Tony at the garden and jelly came out in did New York Yeah, that's there that's got to be a custom suit I'm like that's a big yeah, and the next time I saw him he was lucky as now and I mean He'll like what I did because I have a appetite You know like what I do now like I I'm basically doing like a keto diet because I like to eat a lot of whatever it is And so if it's like a big salad, you know or whatever, but I'm down like 25 pounds doing that Oh, that's nice. Yeah, you doing this with the help of a nutritionist. He's doing it on your own student of my own Yeah, you'll have him. You know, it's just I've tried a few different routes man

I've been I've been you know husky since I was a kid and shopping in the husky department. They came out, you know Is this do you think it's a genetic thing? Do you think it's the way you ate as a child? What do you think? I think psychological a lot of it It was like the only thing I had control of as a child is like food It was like and a scarcity mindset as well Yeah, just like the way that I you know think about food is just you know probably not the healthy So for me it's just easier to say like I don't eat these things because like if I eat bread or something like that I just hurts my stomach now, you know, and I just I can feel like the difference when I don't eat it You know, I just feel better. Oh energy. Oh, yeah, yeah

And once you get your body working on ketones, too The thing is you just your brain functions better. That's one of the more interesting thing. That's why people take things like Like ketone was it ketone IQ that's great. Like he just down one of those little shots and it puts you into ketosis temporarily Oh, really? Yeah, there are exogenous ketones. I think the guy who just invented those just died

He was also a guy that worked for ballco labs. He developed the the clear that shit that Barry Bond stuck Okay, the steroids this guy was a chemist. I think someone oh I think Chris Bell Chris Bell or Mark I think was Mark Bell just posted about it on his Instagram page that this guy just died This guy was like one of America's great chemists and he developed a lot of these things including your cuz I just ketones according to Mark but That's one of the things that I noticed when I went into when I did the carnivore diet is that immediately? My brain just started functioning better, which is what I try to eat most of the time like this morning I ate sausage and eggs and sausage from an animal that I shot. I like to do that I like to say well, this is the guy's this is Mark's Instagram the greatest chemist of our time to possibly any other Patrick Arnold is dead Patrick Arnold's the guy who made the cream and the clear for the bonds and Maguire All that bonds Maguire bastard blasted home runs off of supposedly in addition to those incredible inventions He also brought exogenous ketones to the market. What happened to that guy? How did he die?

That's an interesting picture to put up. Yeah, it looks like Oswald looking at He looks healthy. I want to know how he died. I wonder how old that picture was Organic chemists Andristine Dion too. Oh, he he had all those pro what are those pro hormones or whatever those things were the people were taking that weren't totally steroids, but they were kind of steroid like How did he die does it say?

He died at 60 Hmm, maybe he's experimenting on himself Why don't you just put it in cause of death? I know it should come up You think a guy who's working on like performance and fitness Does it say when you click on what happened? Oh David Arnold somebody else oh Patrick Arnold huh? So just doesn't say how he died. Nope. It just happens

Okay, so it hasn't been released yet Made a lot of roids You got to wonder the dude is like doing so much work in anabolic steroids you work for boco They were the ones that are making undetectable steroids. You know about that whole story. This is back in the was in the 90s Jamie The mug wire around 2000 so they developed steroids that were undetectable So when they would test for steroids what they would do is they would take because when I guess the way it works is when they're doing a Staroid test they're looking for very specific molecules So they invent in a molecule that had like additional things attached to it where it wouldn't show up I'm probably butchering that but essentially they were undetectable steroids. I think one of them was called the clear And the guy who ran the lab was called bulko laboratories guy Victor Conte who eventually went to jail for that and then we I don't know why get into jail, but he got out and then became an anti steroid Sort of activist and he was I don't say activist but he was essentially he was ratting people out and saying that this guy's probably doing steroids and this is how he's doing it and then a

Lot of athletes were using his company to use steroid free performance enhancing supplements that were legal So he would show you what's legal and how to do it He knew a lot about it because he did the illegal stuff too. Interesting Yeah, I've got I've gotten a couple steroid shots like before show like if my voice goes out like what kind of is like a cortisone or I guess That's what it is. It's like one of a shoot in your ass. Hmm. Hmm. What is that?

Do like for your voice when your voice just brings you back man. It's got to be rough What I fucking say or loses their voice. Yeah, I mean people have asked me before like what my warmup routine is and like I've never had one And I really regret Shout a whiskey if I was really in dire straits I would take like a handful sugar free gummy bears and put boiling water on that really and then the gummy bears would like Coat my throat. Huh like honey ginger lemon. Yeah, hot water and lemon is a really good one. There's something about that

That easily it's like time off is what fucks my voice up more than anything time off. Yeah, really Oh, so like your vocal cords get out of shape. Mm-hmm interesting because it's hard to like keep them up You know, right unless you're like going in your garage and screaming for two hours a night, you know, that's crazy I never thought about it like that like your vocal cords are essentially a muscle like any other and they develop over time and you get endurance That makes sense. Yeah, so like the pandemic was like the first time that a lot of us like had any extended amount of time off from the road and we all started noticing like or at least me like I came back like hurting a little bit Oh, that makes sense I saw guns and roses and Athens Greece and Axle rose, you know has that crazy singing style. Yeah, it's like a bad like and that has to be fucking hell on your voice And you know, this show is amazing, but his voice is not the same. It's just there's no way it can be

I know Stephen Tyler like he's back. I've done it. Yeah, so he quit for a while because he was like I can't sing and then he healed up and now he's back again I don't know exactly what he did, but I played with him back in January and like the boys back. No shit Great thing is ass off. That's fucking great. I love to hear that. I saw the stones a couple years ago at a circuit of the Americas and

Mitch Iger can still whale. Yeah, you can still whale that that was a great fucking show almost surreal I'm energy to me so much energy. It's crazy. He has two trailer trucks that he brings with him that are just gym equipment Wow everywhere they go two big-ass trailer trucks just filled with gym equipment They say works out seven days a week. That's awesome and he's a hundred and eighty thousand years old There still and then Keith Richards opposite approach whiskey cocaine LSD no problems still there too It's like yeah find something you love and stick with it. I know it's so funny like it makes me think like we went out with Willie a few times and

Willie's got like like most artists He's got like 18 tractor trailers back there But like I don't know if you've been to a Willie Nelson show recently. It's like there's nothing on stage I'm like what's in all these fucking trucks. I never really got to the bottom of that but there's like Seven or eight truck drivers. That's all weed He's got that drink that they sell oh yeah, he's got that weed drink. Yeah, and Ron white brought some to the green room Of the common mothership and someone was saying oh you can't get that's not real. I'm like it's real as fuck dude

That stuff's very legit. It's real. Yeah, it's very I don't know what the rules are the laws are Starting to become like a gray area. It should be I Mean they just made it schedule three. Okay, so what that means is and I mean less It's a great step in the right direction I'm very happy that the president did that it really should be regulated the same way alcohol is it should be for adult use 21 and older It shouldn't be maybe I wonder what the issue well. I'm sure there's a bunch of issues right

There's like lobbies that are trying to keep it illegal like there's the alcohol lobby that doesn't want it legal because it cuts down on alcohol sales And I know they lobby to try to make sure those laws stay in place And then unfortunately, yeah prison guard unions That lobby for it, which is fucked They want to keep their job and so the way they keep their jobs keep people locked up and the way they keep People locked up is keep laws that don't make sense like fuck up. That's a that's an evil fucking It just doesn't make any sense if you can buy alcohol you should be like I'm not saying you should drink alcohol You don't drink alcohol anymore. Like I said I took months off It's like you should have some self-control and I know some people don't but get your shit together You should but other people are fine with alcohol that go to the bar have a drink or two go home Go out to dinner have a drink go at home have a drink while they're watching TV and they're fine Yeah, it should be a personal choice No adult should be able to tell you what you can and can't do and be able to lock you up in a fucking cage if you don't listen That's nuts and in a free country in this country is freeze-a-gets in this world There's no way we should be illegal it should be regulated and it should be only for people that are adults

Or you know, you have to be 21 to be able to buy it. It's a look It's never stop kids from getting alcohol. They still get alcohol It's not stopping kids right now from getting weed They can still get weed but if it was legal and regulated first of all we'd get taxes from it And that would be huge for every state you get a ton of tax money that you're not getting right now And also you would keep people from getting locked up for their own personal choices, which is just insane Yeah, you know a lot of people get locked up for personal use these days as pretty rare, but there's still there's just way too many laws Yeah, I mean it's interesting to like if you have like Like CBD flower Technically, that's legal. Yes. Like if you just put some of your cannabis in a CBD container Like are there ways to like test that on the side of the road?

Like if you get pulled in I search your car not on the side of the road But they could confiscate it and then test it I think But there's weird things about like legalization of I was watching a YouTube video about what Texas's laws were and Texas's laws are the amount of THC by volume So the thing about that is if you get like gummies like a 10 milligram gummy will pass that by volume and be legal So are you saying that people could take 10 milligram THC gummies and that's legal because they'll fuck you up like a if you don't smoke We eat a 10 milligram THC gummy. Well, how are you going? Take two of those and who knows what's gonna happen here. I just watched this movie that a friend of mine was in this movie Lenny Wilson and we watched the movie and I don't want to spoil the movie for anybody But it turns out that the girl like she went to jail because she was impaired while driving and she was impaired by weed gummies And I was like that's kind of gay. Mmm. Well depends on how much you took

Yeah, but if you take 200 milligrams you get behind a wheel you're not even exactly sure what the road is 200 milligrams is a lot. Yeah, right? So that's pretty impaired. That's like equivalent to like eight shots of whiskey and then getting in your truck Yeah, you're impaired. I guess you're right. I don't think you should drive on weed

I definitely don't use to drive fucked up, but it's like the same like I don't advocate drinking and driving either But if you have like one drink and drive Like you're gonna feel like a little relaxed and lubricated But I don't know how much you'll be and it also varies on who the person is the person is used to drinking all the time One drink is not gonna do a damn thing to them, but for some people one drink will make you drive stupid. You'll do stupid things Yeah, it's a it's all personal responsibility thing That's the bottom line about all of it and yeah, you shouldn't be out there drinking and driving you shouldn't be out there Eating 500 milligrams and fucking driving in the car. No, no, it's like I'm gonna one time my drummer had this like THC spray Oh, yeah, we had that back in California like Shh breast spray. Yeah, and I was still drinking at the time and me and my wife were both just hammered and we were on this Fairy like the tour bus goes on to the fairy and the fairy carries you over from France to the UK and we were like sitting in the lounge area on the ferry a lounge area on the ferry And he had this spray and I'm like it's not doing anything

Me and my wife both kept just spraying it. No, I woke up in my bed just like in a cartoon just like completely removed from reality Just and yeah, it was a bad bad scene I remember one time I took a they had these THC breath strips that they used to sell and the problem with these things And this is back in the pre-legalization days of pre 2016 in California And so each store you would get weed at like they would have medical stores So you could go to a doctor and say hey doc I got a headache and you know you need medicine and they would write your prescription and then you can go And like it there's always reasons to have it just like there's reasons to have Tylenol. Do you get a headache?

Yeah, well then you need it. Do you have a backache? Yeah, well then you need it so you could get it pretty easy and They had these breast strips and I took one I got on a plane and I closed my eyes when I was lying to plane And I was watching neon like cartoon characters that are made out of neon light and they were having sex It was an orgy of car and I was just lying there with my eyes closed watching these cartoon neon characters fuck And they were fucking in like complete blackness like void So it was just the colors of their weird bodies just banging each other and then they would shift shapes and another one Will pile on they were I was like this is crazy. It was very psychedelic. It was almost like but when I'd open my eyes The world was normal. Yeah, it wasn't like I was the world was wiggling and and I was just I didn't mean to do

I was flying all the way in New York It was a six hour flight by the time it landed I'd sober it up But I was like this is great Like how much is any fucking things because they're not making the same labs where they're making fucking time Oh, you know I mean it's some hippie some dude who's like pouring weed into a machine and can't remember whether I put weed in there Because he's high as fuck and so he has double they're very inconsistent It's like the micro doses that I used to get in making Georgia. I was like something's stronger than other ones. He's like yeah On the day my boy. I was like He's gonna ride it for whatever it is well. That's why we need legalization regulation. That's a beautiful thing about whiskey

You get a glass of whiskey. You get a shot. You know exactly what that shots gonna do The shots of whiskey have been having the same impact on human beings for hundreds of fucking years You quantify it Yeah, and that's how it should be with all these things But the problem is when they're outlawed, you know Some of them are you know a glass of wine some of them are fucking moonshine like you need regulation and it's the idea that there's laws against People's personal choices just fucking stupid man. There's plenty of laws that are good. Don't murder people. Don't rob don't rape

Don't do this. Don't do that. That's great. Don't vandalize great great laws makes sense better society laws on personal choices Especially things that you might enjoy like having a joint with your wife, you know after dinner and just sitting there and watching Netflix together like the fucking Arm thugs can burst into your house and take the joint away from you like who are we protecting who are we serving who we protecting and serving with that? That's dumb. Yeah, it's just bad for society

And it creates this business once a business is established the business of enforcement once that business is established that business doesn't want to go away Because now you have a bunch of people whose jobs depend on enforcing laws and forcing these things that don't make any sense and they want to protect that Because that's their livelihood. So now you got a quagmire now you're in a fucking terrible situation There's no easy way out other than ripping the bandaid off and making it legal. You're also propping up the cartels That's the other problem with it being completely illegal in this country federally is like well guess what? It's there's still a demand for it So legal companies that actually employ people and give the employees health care and you know have rules and regulations now They're not making it so they're not growing it So instead you have fucking cartels that are growing it in California on public land because if you get caught it's just a misdemeanor Because it's legal in California. So literally I think it's more than 80% of all the Lee the weed that's sold in United States That's illegal is grown in California on public lands by the cartel and they use toxic pesticides and herbicides They use all kinds of shit that you're not allowed to use in normal farming

And you know the only reason why it exists is because we've made these stupid fucking laws So now that it's schedule three. It's in the same category as like Tylenol with codeine Which is not bad. It's better certainly better than schedule one which is ridiculous. So now Hopefully once they do more testing and more studies they can get to a point where federally it's legal and regulated That would be the best case for everybody just in the same categories alcohol Get all that tax money from it and then don't make criminals out of American citizens It just might want to make personal choices. This episode is brought to you by on X off-road Ever wonder how to reach these epic mountain lakes. They're tucked away dispersed campsites with on X off-road

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So when in 1970 the Richard Nixon administration passed the controlled substances act and it made DMT Silas Ivan LSD all these different things it made them schedule one so that the idea is that there was no been Including Ibogame, which is crazy, which has means it has no medical benefit and Harmful and addictive all these different qualities that they attach to it But the only reason they did that was to target the civil rights movement the civil rights movement and the anti-war movement That's what they were doing They didn't like the fact that these people were causing trouble and then they were organizing You know marches and doing all these different things that were disrupting the government And there was also this movement where people like why are we living the way we're living like this was the 60s Like why are we doing what we're doing? Well, I don't want to be like my parents. They're not happy You know I want to live a life. That's like freer I want to be filled with love and joy and I want to you know have a good time and follow the grateful debt around like so A lot of people in government were very concerned with this new movement and if you go in like music is a great example Like if you look at the music of the 1950s and then you look at the music of the 1960s

Like what the fuck happened? Yeah, like if you look at the music of 2016 and the music of 2026 not much difference, right? It's all great. It's all but it's like it's not there's not some revolutionary crazy new change But you saw that from 1959 to 1969. There is a radical difference a radical difference 1950 you got like you go from buddy Holly to Jimmy Hendrix Okay, what the fuck happened something crazy must have happened and it's drugs. It's like a delk drugs

It's like the snowing up three and you know our modern society exactly exactly and this terrified the administration and they were really worried They were gonna completely lose control of the country and so they passed this control substances act and that happened in 1970 and from that time on we've been fucked you know for 56 fucking years We've been under the grip of this stupid fucking law that was passed by the Nixon administration It didn't make any sense some of the drugs that they attitude aren't even psychoactive They just threw a bunch of stuff in there and they missed a bunch of potent ones. Yeah, they missed five methoxy DMT They missed five meo DMT, which is one of the most potent psychedelics if not the most potent psychedelic you used to be able to buy that online Dude, there was a company that you could order from and they would send you a fuck a jug of it as big as this now The amount that gets you blasted into the center of the universe and introduces you to God is like the side It's like the size that goes on your pinky. Yeah, like your pinky nail like that amount you smoke that you'll see God Wow, and you could just buy a fucking jar of it online

There was a company called the American chemical company American chemical company or American chemical corporation And you used to be able to just buy five methoxy DMT and they would just send it to you like a jar of vitamins Wow, and then you could go to head shops and buy salvia Oh, yeah, so salvia is a fucking insanely potent psychedelic Which by the way is also sage like sage is the same family the same genus as salvia So like think about it sage meaning wise like like an old sage Yeah, and meanwhile that is one of the most potent psychedelics in the world and so kids were going to head shops and buying salvia I don't know if they've made that illegal now. They probably have right a salvia illegal now So Ari Shafir on Brian Redman's podcast, you know the story?

No, okay Ari Shafir went on Brian Redman's podcast and took a giant hit of salvia and went under for like 10 minutes and when he came back He said that he had lived six months under the water with breed like with a Entire different community of human beings under the water had relationships had a job like had a six month experience And then came back in that 10 minutes, and he was so confused. He was so baffled. He's like I had a life under there I had a girlfriend. I had friends. He goes. I had all these experiences. Oh shit. Yeah, oh, he's crazy

He's crazy. He's fun. He came out to my show in New York. He's a man. He is a man But I mean that's that's how potent this fucking salvia stuff is by the way a lady had a very similar experience recently who Went into a coma so she was in a coma for an extended period of time I want to say it was like a few months and when she came out she had a whole life that she said she had triplets and She had like she was married all these different things here is a story She asked for her triplets after waking up from a coma doctors say they never existed when she woke from a coma first thing She did was asked for her three daughters medical staff was stunned the response shattered her entire world Just like that the children she had nursed watch grow and deeply cared for over seven years were gone So she was placed in a medically induced coma for three weeks and what followed was a dream of a lifetime twig literally She was obviously not aware that she was in a coma instead She slipped into a dream a lifetime unfolded before her eyes talking to out with the team recalled having extremely intense dreams and nightmares She was not aware that she was in a coma at the time so those dreams became her reality

So she became a mother she said it felt so real she felt the physical and emotional pain throughout the hallucination I could feel so many things when I dreamed about giving birth. I felt the stress I also felt a lot of pain in this dream I gave birth to triplets 20 mila miles and my Lee my Lee died shortly after birth I felt so awful overwhelmed with sadness and guilt she recalled she remembers the first skin-to-skin contact that she had with her babies It was incredible. I felt an overwhelming wave of love She added in her dreams she lived for seven years and watched her daughters grow up each had their own personalities One was quite shy the other was a bundle of energy I remember walks meals we shared and bedtime stories She loved them with all her heart and then she woke up from the coma and was told that her children never existed That's when they told me they didn't exist I was in shock. I was so convinced that it was real that the time I saw my parents again I told them they were grandparents Whoa, it makes it makes you like wonder like what is reality?

What is this thing that we're currently experiencing? Yeah, we're currently experiencing this thing, but what what is this? Is this everything is this the whole thing or is this like one channel on an infinite radio and just while we're on that channel? We think this is the radio right when it was maybe when you go to sleep Maybe that's just as real as being awake Have you thought the idea that you just shut off every night is bananas. Yeah, we look forward to it Oh, can't wait to go away Can't wait to not exist and if you don't like if I don't get enough sleep I'm like whatever whatever happens during the dream time the sleep time the recovery I feel it my waking life like I haven't done what I'm supposed to do by sleeping for an extended period of time So my this reality is compromised this reality. I'm dumber my memory sucks. I'm more tired. I don't have any energy

I can't wait to go to sleep can't wait to shut off so I can pay back the void pay back the void the time I owe into the dreamland of bizarre dreams Just the symbolism of dreams, too. I've been having a lot of crazy dreams lately. What I dream about snakes a lot Which is a good thing. It's a good sign is it? Yeah, dreaming about snakes evidently just represents like shutting your skin going into something new You know growing or you're surrounded by people who want to get you or maybe that yeah, which both can be true You know the music business Yeah Lots of snakes. Is it every business though? Yeah, I mean just the idea like the business side is just so in

Contrast to like the artistic sensibility. You know an artist is supposed to be not supposed to be but just like Psychological or makeup is more just like open and just more just like giving and wanting to share your craft with somebody and more emotional You know and then having to be like a shark and having to think like these snakes contracts Money Marcus. It's only seven years. It's just seven years with an extension with option with options How's about free don't worry about these song rights? Yeah, you'll have other songs in the future right?

That would be even better. Okay, but on yourself Marcus Money don't you want a big house? Don't you want a fancy car? You need a Rolex. We've seen light night with the devil. Yes. Yeah, that's the talk show. Yeah. Yeah, that is great man

Who made that? That's a good question. That's a really good movie watching on the bus one night Whoa, that was like 2019 or something. It was heavy Yeah, this was 2024. Oh, it's an Australian movie Jack Delroy the host of a failing It's in 1977 Jack Delroy the host of a failing late night show decides to fill in a Halloween special However, the broadcast takes a dark turn unleashing evil into the nation's living rooms. Yeah, it's a dope movie

It's really fun. It's fucking scary shit, too. What's scary? Yeah, it was good Bro, you know, it's about as scary as shit and really good that I just found out about from my daughter There's a new show called well, it's not even new. It's like four seasons. It's called from

From yeah, I'm like a it's on Apple TV. I don't know if it's an Apple show, but it's on Apple TV It's what the dude from lost one of the dads from lost He's been in a lot of things. He's great and the show is fucking terrifying. It's very original and very weird So it came out in 2022 Okay, what's it on now is it just on Apple TV? Yes, Fx MGM plus Yeah, so it says in 2018 YouTube read remember we were talking about YouTube read Paramount plus and it's on Amazon Prime. I was on all over the place

Huh mgM pluses so it appeared on epics. I don't even know what MGM plus is and maybe that's just the company. That's the production company So in 2026 they renewed the series for a fifth and final season. It's fucking good, man. It's good It's really scary is really scary and fucking creepy and horrific. It's about these people that

That are stuck in this town that doesn't make any sense like the town doesn't make any sense and you can't get out of the town and At nighttime people come out of the woods But they're not people and they're like these monsters and if you let them into your house You can't let them in your house But if you let them in your house that they put you in tear your part and people they try to trick you in the letting you letting them into your house Like I'm not doing it justice. It's like sounds stupid, but It's it's really scary man It's really scary and really creepy to the point like I'm watching I get anxiety and I don't like watching shit like that before I go Bed yeah, because then I get like weird dreams and I start getting because it's like children are in trouble in it I'm a father and when I see children in trouble. I get fucking freak out You know this part you like the sheep dog and you just like right so it's it's a good show though My wife gets on to me. I like it's like forensic files. Oh Like that before you go to bed. I don't know why that's crazy. That's my comfort how people murdered people

Yeah, I remember that show on HBO the autopsy show that was like one of the first ones Okay, do you know that show the autopsy one? It was this guy Dr. Michael Batton and what he was was was a forensic scientist that would catch People that had murdered people and got away with it They would exune bodies and find things and it was all these different cases of where someone had gotten away with murder But then they discovered how they did it. It's very very interesting Well, this people are fucking weird man like you know a lot of like wives poisoning their husbands and like multiple husbands died of similar ways and Nurses that poisoned the people into their care Some fucked up people out there some fucked up people out there man. It's the crazy thing is they get away with it That's the crazy thing is for everyone that Michael Batton catches. How many of them get away with it?

Like what percentages of murders in America go unsolved. Let's put this into perplexity Our AI sponsor and find out what the deal. What do you think it is? What percentage of murders go unsolved in America? Oh?

That's a good question. I mean yes 60% whoa, but I don't know how you would quantify it. I guess you find out well someone gets murdered and they don't catch anybody. Oh, right? Okay, yeah Wow So you're saying there's a chance Approximately 40 to 50% of murders in the United States go unsolved means it roughly half of all homicide cases do not result in the rest or resolution so I was talking to somebody and Someone who lives in their community got arrested because the wife went missing and They got the wife's DNA from this guy's chainsaw. They have no body

They have no evidence other than there's some DNA on his chainsaw and you know He's playing stupid so he's in jail now But everybody that knows him and like like these these friends of mine They know the family they knew him they knew her and he's just in jail and they don't know if they have enough evidence to convict him And so he's been in jail for a while now and they're trying to gather enough evidence for trial But all they have is like DNA. I don't even know what that means like how much DNA like did he clean the chainsaw and not do a good job? I don't know what that means, but like she like out like trim and edges who knows that's the thing It's like you could use a chainsaw and accidentally scratch yourself like you don't have to cut yourself It doesn't even have to be on like if you're move if you're you know taking a chain I don't know why the wife would be taking a chainsaw out into the mean some women are capable and they do it But my wife, you know accidentally scraped your arm with his chainsaw and they went over every blade with a swab Right, probably could find your DNA. Oh my god. You did it. Yeah, I don't know

I don't know what happened, but apparently these people that I know believe that the husband Chopped this lady up. Oh really? Yeah, they think you did it. They're fighting a lot and I Remember when I was a kid my sister used to and like chains actually get everything funny bit about Diabolical older sisters are and just my sister used to say I hope you go to jail for something you didn't do Whoa, I hope you get wrong for the conviction for something you're in jail forever Terrible thing to say to somebody what did you do to her to make her say that to you who fucking knows? Dark I hope you go to jail for something you didn't do is so evil Wow, very close now. Are you? Oh, yeah, well, she's a kid. We were how old was she when she did that?

She's two years older than me so she must have been like nine or ten. Oh, but people say things get stuff in our pen They're just being kids. Yeah, that's a diabolical mine though That's how you want someone to suffer you want them to emotionally suffer for something they didn't do forever I heard her in a neighbor boy. It was a vacant house across Vermont and they like locked me in the back fence Unless it's like this is where you live now. Well, they were like unless you break that window I was like I don't want to break the window and like so enough like they said well We're not letting you out of this gate and I probably could have waited out But I was like five or six so I just said all right so I took a brick to the window and they're like what we're gonna go telling You know, that's like wow really fucked up. What the fuck does she do now?

My sister's actually she's a bad ass man. She's she drives for the Department of transportation She's got her CDL. She's awesome sounds like she has some devious thoughts in her mind. She's yeah sounds like she should write books I know she's so smart. That sounds very creative. Yeah, you know like she's manipulating a five-year-old breaking a window

She could tell on them as a seven-year-old. Yeah, no, she's she's awesome But I actually I had a good friend. I told that story to and she loved it so much she got me a welcome mat from my house That's where you live now That's fucked up man, where did she learn that kind of behavior probably my mom. Oh, was your mom like that my mom was pretty wild? Yeah, yeah Mm-hmm. We yeah

I had an interesting upbringing most artists do especially most interesting artists I don't know a lot of interesting artists that say like my childhood was perfect It was amazing. There's so much love and everybody's really supportive and understanding. Yeah, we talked a lot about stuff Yep, we spoke about our feelings mostly on the dinner table. No, there's always some sort of element of psychological torture involved Some kind of abandonment or something. Yeah, sometimes Yeah, uncle whatever it is. Yep, something ignoring you

Yeah, it is not making your priority making you not feel special or making you feel like you're a burden There's something something that causes you to like want exorbitant amounts of attention from strangers. Sure. Yeah But look that's where the great stuff comes from which is really wild Like there's this concept that you cannot have good without evil and I think there's something to that I think it's just part of the human condition for whatever reason You don't appreciate good unless you've experienced bad, which is why rich kids are fucked you grow up rich with everything you've ever wanted There's no struggle. It's so difficult for those people to ever be exceptional because they don't have the motivation They don't have that they haven't experienced the bad not that way Like I remember I went on a hunting trip with my friend Steve Renella and Brian Callan We went to Alaska and it rained every day. It rained like six days and we're soaking wet and we came back to LA and It was sunny and I was driving my car and I had to call my friends to you and I said dude I have never been happier the sun hits my face. I'm so appreciative

I'm so and I've never felt like this like it's always like this in LA But it never meant anything to me. It was just jump another day in LA. I'll go to work But this one day I was like just filled with gratitude and I was so happy the son of my face felt so good warm And I realized like oh you have to suffer in order to really appreciate the good Like if it's just all good you're not gonna appreciate it You know you need evil people so that you really appreciate the people that are beautiful and that you love right you need people that suck So you appreciate people that are kind you know you need people that are mean so you appreciate the ones that are nice Yeah, just people that are on the level just people that are like no agenda Yeah, just kind people and it is that duality that kind of gives you perspective That's what I meditate on every day is perspective That's why I wonder about the music business and then even the comedy business. I think kind of any business I'm sure it's the same with the music move is whether a movie making business as well It's like you almost need these rotten vampire cuts that are you know what I mean? It's like to see you come back

But so that like when you see fellow musicians that you love like you have my hug like you embrace each other like what cool Like you know what I mean? It's like we're together now. It's all right. We're okay. It's probably bonding Yeah, we're away from the cuts. We're away from the vampire cuts. It's like my boy Charlie Crockett, you know

Charlie always says like you can do what they do. They can't do what you do. Mmm. That was great He's a fucking man interesting dude too. Very interesting dude very interesting life like the life that I had and playing street music for so long and finally Getting discovered very like again, but that's how you get a person like that when you talked about his childhood I fucked up it wasn't crazy was basically just on his own from the time he was a teenager Just running around just singing songs. Yep, you know like that's how you get a person like that

Yeah, you can't create a Charlie Crockett in a lab. No or a jelly roll. You know you don't create those in the lab. They gotta go to jail first But it's like I mean jelly's like one of the most beautiful people I've ever met in my life He's one of the nicest sweetest kindest warm affectionate people everybody hugs everybody tells everybody he loves them And he means it and because he's been through hell You know and that's that's how you make a person like that Jelly's in like a constant state of like like when you run into somebody after they've had an eyewasket experience. Mm-hmm. Yeah

He has this constant like gratitude. Yes that I feel like kind of fades even with people who have like eyewasket journeys or experiences Yeah, you know, he's just I don't know there's something really pure to that Yeah, he's maintained it and especially now that he's on this like health journey I think that sometimes the momentum of life takes over and you kind of forget Those beautiful moments you know you're grounded in these moments where you realize like kind of I'm so lucky to have A beautiful family that I love and friends that I love and be able to do what I do for a living God I'm so lucky and that feeling like sometimes it goes away because you're dealing with this and that and contracts and fucking then the New York Times wrote a hit piece on you. Oh shit and you forget you lose your perspective But I almost feel like you need all those other shitty elements to just reinforce the good elements that there's this constant Sort of mechanism that's going on where there's this constant process of pros and cons of negatives and positives and they're duking it out To see who writes and the more the negative comes out you the more it has this

Creative desire inside of you to excel with your music or your art or whatever it is that you do to just push past it I mean they come out some of the great songs that people have written just about the struggles that they've gone through just even in the music business You know, yeah, like Leonard's can and working for mca, you know, there's a lot of those songs like that It's just like people just want to tell you what the fuck they've been through yeah Lescheek freak out. What's that about? They weren't like they weren't allowed to get into studio 54 They wouldn't let them in and the song was originally written as fuck you, you know Fuck you. Oh really? Yeah, they went and said it's freak out. Yeah, and I ended up being a major hit

That was because they couldn't get into a club. Yeah, that's pretty crazy. Yeah, yeah But it is just about threading that needle of like Wanting more for yourself but for the right reasons. That's something that I think about every day It's just like Having a virtuous reason to want more, you know Just for the sake of having it or for a whoring wealth or anything like that It's like I want to work to where I can get to a place where You know my wife and I can have our own bus and raise kids on the road, you know But you can't do that unless you have a certain profit margin on the road You know, so I'm always kind of trying to think of like virtuous causes to want more Because in reality, you know, I should be grateful for everything I do have but also speaking of that You know and trying to meditate on the things that I'm grateful for every day That's a good perspective. I think people get trapped in working towards a result instead of thinking about the process Right, I try to be process oriented I try to like think about whatever I'm doing Just try to be better at it and do a better job at it And I think the other stuff sort of takes care of itself

If you have the right people and that's where the evil cunt vampires come in Because they'll steal all that good will like if you leave the door open like on that tv show on from let them in They'll fucking tear you apart. I'll tear you up. Yeah Just and it's hard because you don't want to become jaded. You know, you don't want to become like I feel like I meet a lot of people out there who Like they're open and they're calm, but they're not interested in making any new friends Yeah, it's like they have their circle and on one hand I kind of understand that I get that, you know, but It's hard. You know, you got to maintain a certain level of perspective not to become like angry. Yeah

Yeah, it's hard and it's hard to know who you can let in your circle to but you got to give people a stress test You know what I mean? Yeah, it's almost like you have to give them a baggie and then have a fake cop Great. Yeah, and say where'd you get Marcus King gave it to me? Oh, got you bitch I ran into this guy recently and Basically what happened like I was on jam cruise years ago I was super fucked up and I was supposed to sit in with this band called naughty professor from New Orleans and they're like They're so good and they're just outrageously talented musicians and I'd gone out on an adventure that morning on a catamaran I didn't know what the fuck catamaran was. I didn't know if it was land air or sea vessel, right?

so we go out there turned out it's about and We go like snorkel and in the Cayman Islands And we're just like looking over fish and like my girlfriend at the time and a bass player friend of mine from a Back on lettuce his name's Jesus. So out there with my girlfriend at the time. His name is Jesus. Yeah, not Jesus His name's Eric. He goes by Jesus. Oh boy. Oh boy. How did Eric get in your circle?

I don't think it's a Messiah complex or anything I think it's just a name that stuck but they were tripping on acid and I was drunk on Rome and beer and Just out there waiting and like when we came out for air The boat or we had drifted Quite a ways from the boat and like we couldn't get their attention and like the waves started crashing and like a storm started rolling in oh Fives and like, you know, I'm not the strongest swimmer, you know, but we were basically, you know, we were trending water out there for like 40 minutes Holy shit, dude. You know, we were we were gonna Brown and finally the dude jumped off the boat and came out there And he was like yelling at me because I didn't have flippers on So I was just out there with just my shorts on and some goggles and uh He signaled for the boat to come around and they pulled us up out of the water. So after that we were celebrating our life You know, so I got completely hammered and then I was on the boat and I was like well I need to pick me up, you know, because I got to sit in with these guys and they're like College-educated like jazz musicians. So, uh, this guy comes over. He's like, hey, man, you know, you're too

See, and I was like, yeah, meup And he pulled out a spoon and he digs it down in the bag and I go to take it And he's like a small little mountain. I was like give me a little more and give me some more And a big snow in my whole face went numb and I was like in a stone I was like, whoa, what the fuck was that? And he was like, oh dude, it's a little blow and I was like, no, it wasn't and like he said, yeah, what? And I grabbed him by the shirt and I said, what the fuck did you give me motherfucker? And um, he looked at his buddy like well, I had to have him, you know, like this and he said, hey, what bag did you give me, bro?

And he's like the blue one. He's like, oh no, he looked at me and I was like, what was it? He's like, it's ketamine. Oh, totally the wrong direction. But I ran into that guy at the Grandal offering and came into my dressing room and was like, hey, remember me wrong bag?

I was like, yeah, I remember you. Yeah, I don't like you. Yeah, you kind of put me in a weird spot. What was that like taking ketamine after you almost died? Man, it was heavy, you know.

I basically like from whatever call like I became part of the boat. That's how I remember it. Like my feet were like in the deck, you know, and like I was moving the whole boat with every step that I took. That's what I remember. Whoa. Yeah.

There was this one guy that kept trying to get me to come play a festival in like New Mexico and I kind of put him off the whole week. And then he ran into me and like I just remember his eyes in big like saucers. I don't know what I said to him, but it was some crazy shit. I mean, it wasn't English at all probably. Gotta mean talk. Kind of means a weird one, man.

Because there's a lot of people that are doing that right now for therapy. Yeah. Like Neil Brennan, the comedian, the co-creator of the Shpelshow, he was the first person to tell me about it because Neil's had depression problems most of his life. And we were in LA and he said we were in the hallway of the comedy story. He goes, I've been doing ketamine therapy for depression. And I go, how's that working out? He goes, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. But I didn't know what to expect. He goes, I thought, oh, you know, it's in a doctor's office. It's probably gonna be just, I'm probably just gonna close my eyes and I'll feel it goes, no. He goes, it's fucking a full blown trip. He goes tripping balls in a doctor's office.

It's fucking strange. I bet. He said it worked, though, for a little while. Like he's done a bunch of different things. He did a ton of ayahuasca. He's done a bunch of ketamine.

He did like magnets on his brain. I think he did like a bunch of different things that trying to like rewire the way his brain works. Yeah. Like whatever it is. That's a journey I'm on, you know, I'm on antidepressants and I want to get off them.

Which ones are you on? I'm on Simbalta. What does that one do? Well, is it an SSRI? Yeah. So basically just kind of a, it's very chemical imbalance, you know.

But like the best work that I did to combat my depression and anxiety and stuff was microdosing you know, mushrooms. Yeah. Like that's, that's the most progress that I'd seen in my life. And I'm gonna figure out some kind of strategy because, you know, like being on antidepressants and I'm telling you like, well don't just stop taking them all at once or you know you could have seizures and shit. I'm like, I don't like that. I don't want to be like, you know, enslaved by a drug, by a

pharmaceutical drug. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like also like, now you just take this the rest of your life. It's like, what's the end result here? Yeah, Theo Vaughn's going through the exact same thing.

And last time I was on the podcast, he was explaining it to me. It freaks me out because I know Theo's had conversations before, like even publicly, he had a Netflix taping and it didn't go well. It was like they actually never, they shelved it. They never used it. You know, there's all these stories from people that were there saying he bombed. I think he just had a kind of a breakdown.

And then he was talking to the crowd and there's a video of it. We said, you know, the people were shaking. Hey, we still love you. Thank you. Look, I'm just, I'm trying not to take my own life.

That's what I'm trying to do right now. Yeah. And like, you hear stuff like that. And you're just like, Oh, Jesus Christ, I've known too many people that I didn't think were going to kill themselves and then did. And then he goes down these spirals where he starts talking about world events and freaking out. Oh my God, Jesus Christ. Like I got to help this dude. And so I send him things about

people getting off of them. And apparently there's some doctors that specialize and getting people off of them. But here's the thing about that chemical imbalance thing. That's not real. They used to think that that was what these things do, that they treated a chemical imbalance. But

then recently, studies have shown that that is not what they do. They don't exactly know what they do. And they kind of numb you in some sort of a way that helps some people. And I've had some friends, and I don't want to make any blanket statements because I had some friends that were suicidal. Ari is one of them. And he got on SSR eyes and it helped him. He got, he tried a bunch of

different ones, found one that worked, got on track. And then his career started taking off. And then as his career started taking off, he started feeling much better. He was on a good positive path in his life. And then he slowly weaned himself off of those and how he was off of them. So I think

that might have saved his life. I also know other people that have been on their, on those things and taken their own lives. So I don't know. Because that's part of one of the side effects, suicidal ideation, one of the side effects. But, see if you could find anything about the chemical imbalance not being true. The chemical imbalance reason for taking SSR eyes. They've measured like

levels of dopamine, serotonin, and people that take, it's not, that's not what it's doing. And they don't even exactly know why it works. And it's a huge business. That's part of the problem. And it's also part of the problem these doctors are incentivized to prescribe people these things. I had a friend that went to

a psychiatrist and was talking about their life and things not doing well. And immediately the doctor tried to prescribe him SSR eyes right away. Like right away, here's something that you're never going to get off. I'm going to give it to you right away. First meeting. And he was like, well, I don't

mean, shouldn't I like try exercise? Should I try a diet? Should I try drinking water? And, you know, like, I read something about like magnesium and red light therapy being far more effective than SSR eyes. There's no good evidence for the simple chemical imbalance like low serotonin that directly causes depression or automatically means someone should take an SSR eye. But SSR eyes do change brain

chemistry in ways that can help some people. But so for decades, depression was popularly explained as a serotonin imbalance in the brain. Large reviews of the research have not found convincing evidence that people with depression have consistently low serotonin or a specific measurable imbalance that explains their symptoms. Experts now describe the chemical imbalance story as an oversimplified or outdated way of explaining a much more complex condition. And here's the other thing about depression. It has to be connected to the state of your life. Like, if you have a

terrible job, you're in a bad relationship, you have abusive parents, you know, and you live in a shitty neighborhood. Why would you be happy? Oh, I'm depressed. Oh, you need a pill. No, do you?

Is that what you need? Well, it's quite possible that you're eating processed foods. And you have all these other things that we talked about shitty life, shitty job, shitty neighborhood, shitty parents. Maybe you just need to make your life positive, like figure out a way to get your life in a positive direction. They've shown that exercise is way more effective than antidepressants.

It actually helping people with depression. It's just exercise. Just fucking go on a nice long walk every day. Do some cardio. Take a fucking yoga class. That's way better for people than these

goddamn pills. But these doctors are financially incentivized to prescribe these things and they prescribe them and hand them out like candy. And again, I think for some people it helps them. And that's the issue, right? I mean, if it wasn't a financial incentive, I think it would be like, take these for six months, you'd be better. It wouldn't be like forever. This is you now.

He's in six months. It's like, okay, how long does it take to get off him? Because I know a guy who was on him and it took him a year and a half after he got off of him before he felt normal yet. For a year and a half, he was fucked up because he was on him for I think he said he was on him for 10 years. And then for a year and a half, he got off of him. And it just took that long

before he finally like balanced the ship out. Like whatever waves he had to go through for a year and a half. But he was like, whatever I'm doing, I'm not going back on those goddamn pills. So he wrote it out and came out of the other end. It's fucked up too because it's hard to compare your experience to other people because everybody's brain chemistry is different. So you could have

two people on the same medication like you were saying earlier, like it's hard to even quantify like I even taught him my own sister or like other family members about their depression and their mental health journeys. And it's just interesting to think like you could say like, it's hard to disprove it because somebody could be doing well on it. But it's also like it takes two weeks for it to really get into your system. And I had to try like three or four different ones before one really felt like me, you know, like even at my grandmother's funeral, like I just felt nothing. I just felt numb. And I didn't notice it until I got into a situation where I was like,

this woman raised me and I can't feel anything. And it wasn't until like a heavy moment like that that I was able to kind of have that perspective of like, I should be feeling something right now. So I put those down. And then it's like two weeks later, I was having dinner with somebody and like the song came on that just brought all of it up. There was this melody, this Wayne Shorter melody that just uncorked everything. And I was just sobbing at the dinner table.

What did you feel like before you took them? And what was wrong with the ones that you didn't stick with? Well, I don't know if it was a matter of like maybe the dosage was too high. And it was just kind of creating a block. It's like, you got to feel some emotions, right? So how did you feel

before you were taking them? Like what was bothering you that you realized you needed to take something? Well, I think a lot of it had to do with just like substance abuse, but I was feeling really anxious and really suicidal and just really, really depressed, you know. And just this overwhelming sense of dread every day. And just also just a lot of helplessness, like just trying to go into different doctors and just like trying to figure out like what the fuck is it that's going to finally, you know, take this away. But also realizing like I rely on that a little bit, you know, for what I do,

for a little, you know. So there's kind of that, you know, rely on the feelings like the pain. Yeah, all that, you know, for writing and for creating. God, that's a fucking conundrum. Yeah, be fearful that it's going to take your driveway because you don't have anything to create for no substance. So it's a it is a strange battle. It's one I still kind of deal with, but I'm just on a

much better spot on the journey. So which ones did you try? And what was wrong with the ones each other? They just numbed you up. This was like six years ago, so like 2020. I can't remember the

name of the specific medication. I'm sure I have a whole bottle of it somewhere in my house, but yeah, I don't know. I just what did it do? It just made you too numb? Just made me feel numb. And then

when you found one that worked, what did that do differently? So the one that I'm on now, I mean, like if I go a day without it, like I like the withdrawal symptoms are like fairly severe, just like headaches and just like complete like body tingling sensations and just like it's really scary stuff. It's just, you know, so I'm gonna have to wean off of it slowly over time. Like already did. I wonder if Ibogaine would help with that. Well, I mean, you know, it's like I was saying,

like my producing mushrooms was like the first thing that I actually felt some kind of lasting result. Like now, like when I get an anxiety attack or something, I can recognize it as something just coming from an outside force, you know, an energy that's not aligning with me. And I can recognize it, I can work through it. Where like before, I would just get a little overwhelmed, you know, but I think also just like not drinking and like having to socialize with people and having to have a little exposure therapy to like social interactions in life in general without just masking myself with drugs and alcohol has helped a lot too and that growth. So when you first started taking it, you there's all the stuff that you're doing in terms of like abusing alcohol and substances and that which definitely causes you to feel like shit and it definitely causes a lot of people to have like all sorts of angst and anxiety and just fucks you. This stuff alleviated that. What I'm on now?

Yeah. I mean, you know, it has kind of afraid of like, you know, if I get off of it, are those emotions going to come flooding back in? So did it stop those emotions? This was all by the way, while you were drinking, right? You're not drinking and how long has it been since you've drank?

Like a year and a half. I mean, those emotions do come back every now and again. Even while you're on the stuff. But it significantly curbed them. But it's like, you know, at what price? I mean,

I was talking to my boy Ernest about it because he's kind of a kindred spirit and like, you know, just talking about like, I'll be working out and like, you know, after feeling good and listening to the stones or whatever. And like, I noticed like, in my gym at my house, like, I guess they used to have a punching bag hanging up there. And just like, you see something like that and you just take a mental note of like, like probably all my weight, you know, it's just like these. Oh, you mean the hang yourself? Yeah. Like these thoughts just kind of come, you know,

as I don't know where they come from. They just, they just pop in and as quick as they come, they go. And this is before you're taking the medication? No, I mean, this is just not a month ago. You know, okay, did you have those thoughts before the medication? Oh, yeah. Okay. So they're still there.

Yeah. So whatever it's doing, it's doing a little bit. I mean, it's got to be helping to a degree. Do you think it is? I think so. But I think it's really just about like, your will and like,

your mental, your ability, just like we were talking about like, with diets and stuff, you know, like does an epic help curb, you know, appetites, but you could also just exercise and just have willpower. And I think mental health can be a similar thing. One thing that people are finding about it was epic because it actually curbs your desire to be in love too. Yeah. That's a nasty thought. Yeah. You don't enjoy anything. Yeah. Yeah. I don't hear about these SSR eyes. It's like,

like, do you tell you like paralyzed? I saw that. I saw that on Twitter. Some lady was talking about her. She got off of it and her clitoris is numb. She can't have orgasms anymore. That's fucked up.

Yeah. If that ever happens, it's like, you know, the problem is I don't know if it comes back. So you can't wait for it to happen. And like, which medications cause it to happen? Yeah. If you do

get off of it, have you talked to your doctor? Like, what is the protocol? Well, weaning off of it. Yeah. My doctor always just says like, I don't know. He just every time I talk to my doctor,

it's like every few months we check in and he's like, well, how you feeling? You know, how you doing? I'm like, well, I'm okay. You know, just kind of feels like the same. I kind of want to get off of them. And he's like, well, you know, if you want to do that, like you're going to have to go slowly

over time. But, you know, our thing's good. And I'm like, yeah, things are fine. He's like, well, you don't really want to change things if they're good, right? You know, that kind of thing.

And you worry what's going to happen? Yeah. What's that going to be like getting off of them? Because the thing about it is like I was talking about this guy that was on it for 10 years, like that year and a half was fucking rough where he was experiencing all sorts of problems because his body was just kind of in shock that it'd be on, he'd been on SSRIs for a decade. And then also, he's off of them. And he's like, the way Theo described it is like the floor was missing. Like,

the floor fell out from under him. Getting off him. He got off him for a while and then got back on him. He got off him about a year ago for a little while and then got back on him. But he wants to get off him. He just doesn't know what to do. And I mean, hell, it's like, it's like,

it's literally a plot device, you know, like the show the Ozarks, you know, like the crazy brother, like he's pouring his medication down the drain and he goes fucking nuts, you know. It's like somebody being off their medication is kind of a pejorative term, right? But I'm like, I kind of want to get off mine. Well, it depends on what medication, right? Some people just get a friend like, yeah, if it's anti psychosis, I guess, if you've got psychosis, have you, do you exercise? Yeah, what do you do? Usually do 20 minutes on the Peloton and then a different

muscle group every day. Well, that's good. Anything cardio wise is great for depression, supposedly. And even weights are supposedly really good for anxiety for some reason. I've noticed. Yeah. There's a real definitive difference when I'm working out versus when I'm

what I'm not. Yeah, man. So like, do you have a strategy for when you're thinking about doing this or how you're going to try to do this? Well, I was thinking I'd probably do it when I had some time off, but I'm working the rest of the year. But honestly, man, being on the road is kind of my constant. So I think it's something that I could probably accomplish while I'm on the road,

but I had to have like a breakdown. Yeah, fuck that. You're in Nashville about to do a show. Yeah, I got to cancel the show. Right. Yeah. So it's hard to determine. Yeah,

it scares me, man, because, and again, it scares me because doctors incentivize to keep you on them and promote them and get you to do them. Also, when they've been prescribing them for people, they don't want to ever think that they're doing something bad. There's a justification process in there somewhere. 100%. Justification process, financial incentives. There's a lot going on there.

And then there's also this this position at their end of expertise where they're explaining to you what you should and shouldn't do and how it works. And when you're like, this is fucking out my whole life and I can't get off on them. Like, oh, it's just why I slow down. Like, there's everything doing well, just keep on the same path. Marcus, it's fine. Marcus,

bye. Click. Got a new patient calling. Oh, hi, Jennifer. Yeah, it's very weird, man. It's very

weird that our society is so hypermedicated. Yeah. Yeah. And injectables are the wave of the future. Like, even like, like my boy Chevy, it works for me. He's used to working for

pharmaceutical sales and he's like, everything is injectables now because that's what's hot because of like the Olympic crazy stuff. So like, every medication is like peddling injectables because like the wave of like peptides and I was in picking all that kind of stuff. Now it's like, it's trending, which is really interesting to me. That is weird. Because I grew up with my dad having type two diabetes and my grandfather too. And you know, just seeing them inject insulin and stuff,

I was like, yuck. Well, type two diabetes, the thing about that one is you can cure that. You just got to stop eating like a pig. Which is crazy. I know a bunch of people that have stopped themselves from having type two diabetes. And that's a goal that I'm on is preventing myself from ever dealing

with that. I don't eat sugar or anything. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. I gave up sugar. Well, again,

the ketoogenic diet is supposed to be good for depression too. It detects supplements, you take in magnesium and multibitamins and all that jazz. Oh, yeah. That's good. That seems like you're doing a lot of the right things, man. Yeah, man. I'm, you know, I just, I don't want

to be a prisoner to pills. Yeah. And I love my wife. And I'm just excited to have some babies. And just I want to get myself like her career is taking off and my career is going really well.

And like, does she take SSRIs? No, that's good. She's very anti like any pharmaceuticals, which I really admire about her. I was just reading something about SSRIs and the development of children's children's brains when women are pregnant and they're on SSRIs and apparently there's a bunch of issues. Yeah. I mean, look, man, there's millions of people on those things. There's a giant

business and they want to hide all the side effects and hide all the negative aspects of it and hide the impact that it does just to the overall psyche of the nation. When you've got, okay, let's just take a guess. How many people do you think in this country on SSRIs with liberal women? It's like 80%. The other 20% need them. What's the percentage of people on SSRIs in America? Let's guess.

Man, I'm gonna say like, I would go in higher. I'd say like 60 to 75. Really? Yeah. 60 to 75% of the country? Yeah. Wow. I don't think it's that. I think it's under 30.

It's too many. It's too many. It's definitely too many. But there's also a bunch of people looking for a quick fix when there's a bunch of factors to why you don't feel happy. Like we're talking about before. There's lifestyle, life choices, situation that is beyond your control, like where

you're born, where you live, the job that you have, where you know, if you're in a place of limited opportunity and you got a bunch of shitty people around you and life sucks every day, it's hard to be happy. It's hard to not feel depressed. So then there's the question of like, how does one develop the tools to get out of that situation and get somewhere else? And for a lot of people, it's something that helps them break out, whether it's starting a business or being a musician or an artist or something that gets you out of there. And then you start getting around more positive people and then you make more positive lifestyle choices. But you just can't expect to be happy if your life is

shit. Right. 13%. Okay. I'll have way off. American SSRI prescribing. But I bet in your business,

that's why you think of it. Yeah. Yeah. Artists. I bet it's a lot higher. 13% of US adults report

taking an antidepressant and any given 30 day period SSRIs, the most frequently used class within that group. Yeah. Okay. So 13%. So that's 2015 to 2018. I asked for an update for 2020. So it's about the same.

For 2026? I mean, I asked, is there any updates in 2020 in it? So about 13%. Still a lot. One out of 10 people on crazy pills is a lot. Yeah. In the arts community, though. Yeah. In the artist community.

The last day that I remember reading was like 70% of artists struggle with some faction of mental health. But that makes sense. Yeah. And then there's also the newest element that targets your mental health and goes after it, which is social media. Yeah. That's a rough one boy. That's

a rough one. And so many people treat that as if it's no big deal. Like you just shoot and heroin in your eyeballs every day with that stuff. Yeah, man. Not good. So many people are in there. Yeah.

All day, every day and then reading a bunch of negative shit about them and getting angry and upset. And then carrying that weight around with them all day. It's easy to say like, don't read comments, but it's easier said than done. Yeah. Yeah. Especially if you have it on your phone.

That's the thing. Like you got to not have it on your phone. If you have it on your phone, you're going to go to it. But then the problem is if you use it for touring and for posting information, keeping your fans engaged. Well, the algorithm also serves you like you got to engage.

Anytime you talk to a social media group, they're like, what are your engagement levels like? So they want you on the app using it and commenting responding to people. Because if you don't and you choose not to do that, then they're like, well, can we go on there for you and respond to comments or whatever. I'm like, no, I don't want you to punch in any bullshit. So I'm like, I want to be on there and be myself. And like, if this is a tool that I have to have, I want it to be me like authentically.

But you know, it's a necessary evil. Yeah, but it ruins so many people's brains. It rots you. Yeah, it really does. And it's also you're absorbing so much negativity just from what's going on in the world. Like on any given day, if I open up Twitter and I just start reading what people are

upset about, it's just like, Oh my God, the whole world is falling apart. Everyone's mad at everything and everyone and every little whatever fucking social issue, political issue, world issue, economic issue, everyone's blaming everyone and everyone's pissed. And there's so many grifters and psychopaths that are just on there all day using it, stirring up bullshit and fuck man. I know it's um, yeah. You think I can use bathroom?

Fuck out. We're gonna pee folks. We'll be right back. And we're back. Ladies and gentlemen, where were we depression everything sucks. Stay off social media. Let's talk about music.

Let's talk about some music. Damn. How's it take so long? You seen that James Brown interview? Which one?

We just got those big glasses. Oh yeah. I'm talking about some music. That fucking interview is amazing. It's the best. He had just got arrested and

I'm out on love. Aren't you out on the bill? I'm out on love. He starts talking to the women in the thing. He's like, Why is that ladies? Yeah, no, it's hilarious. Clearly high as fuck.

James Brown was an original. When you first started doing music, how old were you? Um, man, I was probably like two or three years old when I was dealing with it. That's crazy. My grandfather played my uncles, my dad still plays, you know.

Wow. So were they professional or they just did it for fun? My grandfather. So he was a career service man. He was in the Air Force and he was a staff master sergeant and he played hockey talks on the weekend. He was in charge of

booking all the NCO clubs on the base. So he would book like Charlie Pride or Johnny Cash, Barbara Mandrelle and his band would open up and then back them up. Oh, wow. So he was a country in Western purist. Did you get a go on to any of those shows when you were young?

No, so this was this was back in the 60s. My dad's 73, I think now he was born in 53. And I was born when my dad was like 43. Oh, wow. So by the time I came along, everybody was, you know, a lot of my family traded in like, I think they associated music with a lot of the secular lifestyle. So they kind of when they all got born again and into the church, that's

around the time I came around, you know. So the music was really associated with church, but I was really interested in that other stuff. Isn't that interesting? I wonder why there's a division. You know, I think about it a lot. I think that's the closest you can get to divinity, you know,

is music really allowing yourself to get that close to something. And the conviction that you feel in a church, you know, that's a good common thing for everybody to, you know, on the same level. And that's part of the church experience that everybody having it together, experiencing it together as a group, being together live in a room with a great musician on stage when everyone's enjoying it together is very much a transcendent experience. It really is. I was drinking the Kool-Aid, man. Yeah, it's like there's a beautiful moment. You're all

experiencing it together and you're all clapping and cheering while you're all dancing and singing along. It's a beautiful moment. It really is. Music is like a drug, man. It really is. It's like a

beautiful drug. Like I said, the right song when you're on the treadmill, you're like, fuck yeah, you can just keep going, you know. I'm tearing door off the hinges. Yeah, I hear like little feet skin it back. Yeah, yeah. There's certain songs that just give you fucking energy, man.

Like bitch by the Rolling Stones. Oh, yeah. That's on. If I need to pick me up in the morning, that song comes on. A great weightlifting one is prison sex by tool. Oh, yeah. Oh, you know that song?

Tools abandoned I never really delved into, but I got no dendy carry in. I know them because of my buddy Brent Hinds. Did you ever listen to Mastodon? No. Man, I got to say you should have some choice cuts, but Brent was he was the fucking man. He just died back in September. I took him on the

road right before that, which was, which was messy. Oh, really? Oh, really? Brent, he had Mastodon kind of had a mutual agreement that he would leave the band. So he was doing his solo thing and like, he's one of my heroes, you know, and I was like, I'll take you out. Sure. And like, he just threw

it together somehow. And then I ended up having to kick him off the tour, which like broke my heart, but he kind of forced my hand. The night in question, like I walked outside and he had this little tour manager named Angela and she was crying. And my tour manager was holding her and she was crying. I was like, fucking a what happened now. She said, I walk into the dressing room and

Brent pee on the floor. And I said, no, no, you have to stop. So then he peed in his mouth. Oh, Jesus. And I got to picture my boy just like pissing and she's like, you have to stop. And then

he's like, Oh, and I had his funeral. I told Matt Pike from sleep. I told him that story. He was like, yeah, like, and normal. He's like, it's a party trick. That's a Wednesday move. And I was

like, yeah, no, it's hilarious. But it really offended her and she got very upset. And the whole thing just fell apart. And you know, that was the last straw that was listening to his own mouth. That was what did it really? But you know, get him some paper towel. Fix this. I was ready to fix it.

But like his whole painting crew, they were like, it's not working. So what was he doing? He was just just partying a little too much. You know, and I mean, I really, I love that dude. Like brother, you know, I miss him. Miss him a lot. Sometimes it takes a really wild crazy off the

rails person to make music or make any kind of art that just moves you. It drives you crazy. Yeah, I mean, he was a true artist, you know, like he was insane. Yeah. Like, you got to have friends that your wife doesn't particularly love you hang out with. Right. Yeah. There's

something about that friend. Yeah, that's a lot of my friends. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But those are the

ones that make the magic or something to it. And again, that it is a magic thing. You know, this is coming from someone with no music. I have no talent. And so for me, like watching it and experiencing it is a pure experience because I'm not like, oh, I don't like how we played that chord. I don't like how I don't know anything about music. I just don't love it. I mean, Rick

Rubin, you know, he's held on to that. He wants to be, you know, and I think he has been like the, you know, the voice of like the consumer. He hears what the consumer wants to hear. And what knows what he likes. Yeah. And he's got a very interesting mind, you know, he's a very

interesting person to talk to his perspective on things is very unique. I like him a lot. Really liking a lot. I like talking to him a lot. And he sends you the wildest text messages. Are you in

text messages? He said he's a fucking conspiracy. They're often sometimes I have to say, hey, that's not real. But every now and then, I'll say to some ones that make you question reality. I like the thought of you talking Rick off of a ledge. That doesn't really talk him off a ledge.

Just letting him know that some of the, you know, it's hard to know what's real and what's not real out there in the world. If you're not like deep into the bowels of conspiracy theory movement, you know, right. But again, I got like Rick, like his sensibility, like he has a, it's like a very valuable position person just with a unique mind that is just helping shape how music gets produced and created. And because like whatever, whatever it takes, whatever it, I mean, it's not a science like a math thing or a, it's not carpentry, like you have to level this and square that like, no, man, there's like some weirdness and there's love in there and hate in there. There's a lot of stuff that is intangible. It's hard to describe like why this is better and why this is good. But

when you hear it, you know, when you know, you know, you know, there's some riffs, you know, there's some riffs that just like, Oh my God, like the beginning of Oudu child slight return. Come on. Yeah, come on. Just the beginning you hear you go, Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, Dan

Arbax, another one who's just affected the riff. Yeah, Josh, Tommy. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know, Rick's a funny woman. I love his philosophy on music too. He just, he looks at it the same way

that Colonel Bruce Hampton looked at it. Colonel Bruce Hampton and Rick both believed that music is like pro wrestling, you know, is Colonel Bruce Hampton the Colonel from Elvis? That's not different. Different Colonel. Who's Colonel Bruce Hampton? Colonel Bruce Hampton. He was kind of like,

uh, so Billy Bob Thornton put him in a movie in Slingblade. Um, he was, I can't remember his name in the film, but yeah, Colonel Bruce Hampton, there he is. He died on stage at the Fox Theater. Wow. In Detroit? No, in Atlanta. Oh, okay. His story is he was born with two birth certificates.

He was just a wild man. He was just, he was all about, like, instead of instruction, he called it outstruction and like Billy Bob worked on a documentary about him in like 2003. Um, and he was just, like, his whole philosophy on music and just like why we do it and just pointing out the hilarity of like the business and like the coffee gidders as he referred to them. You know, we have a whole industry built around coffee gidders now, you know, I want people that got the suits, their lattes and stuff in the morning. Now they're calling the shots and that's a, it's a weird place to be.

But the Colonel Bruce Hampton, I, you know, I just, what I do now is I just buy copies of his, uh, documentary basically frightened and I just give it to people who aren't hip to the knowledge. So I'll send a copy down here. Yeah, it's called Frighton. It's called basically Frighton. Basically Fright. Colonel Bruce Hampton, is it available anywhere? Like is it on Apple or

Amazon or? It's not streaming anywhere. No. So I just, I just collect the DVDs when I can find them. Oh, wow. Is it a bit, can you buy a DVD anywhere? Like if people are listening to this and they want

to get ahold of it? Yeah, like eBay. That's the only way. That's, that's the only place I found them. Really? Yeah. And you'll be bidding against me. I just buy copies of it. Yeah. Every time I get

going away, I buy another copy. Wow. Yeah. Here's a final thread on Reddit people looking for it and someone's like, just mail me the DVD and I'll copy it for you. Like, you can't find it anywhere. Wow.

It would be cool if it were to be streamed somewhere. It's a fascinating story. Why is it? I don't know if it's going to be even real. Right. They might just send you a

fucking prick. But he was somebody like, you know, widespread panic. That was like their guru, you know? Colonel Bruce Hampton, Jimmy Herring, you know, O'Till Burbage, Longman and Ban with Now. You know, he started with Bruce, really.

I've never heard of him before. You know, it's just, he's one of those guys that, you know, he was like, to the southeast, he was like our Frank Zappa, you know, like our son, Ra. Oh, wow. He's just all about just the outrageousness. And, you know, I have a lot of friends who spent a lot more time with him than I did. But like, he was one of the first people that took notice to what I was doing

when I was like 15, you know? And then I remember like being in Germany and finding out that he'd passed away on stage, which he predicted. He did? Yeah. He said that's how he was going to go.

Well, if you keep performing long enough, you know, Carlin died in a hotel room on the road. Really? Yeah. I'm gonna have to download this for you real quick. It's unlisted on YouTube.

Oh, perfect. I won't be there tomorrow though. After this episode of this release? Yeah. Can you download it? I can try it. Yeah.

Yeah. I'll figure it out though. Okay. Jamie to the rescue. Sorry, folks.

If you get in this. Somebody can upload it on one of the other social media platforms. That's cool. I'm interested in checking it out. I love music for inspiration, you know.

It's one of the unique art forms that inspires you to create, inspires you to go do things. You know, whenever I see a live band or a live performer, I can't wait to go do something. I'm going to go write. I want to go perform. I want to pop my palmoonie who's a great comedian.

Do you know Palmoonie? Yeah. He used to write for Richard Pryor. He was one of the real OGs back in the early days when I came to the comedy store. I was kind of blown. He was one of

the guys I was always nervous around being around until he liked me. So you know what I mean? Like, Palmoonie hates you. You're fucked. But he gave me that advice once early on. He said,

if you want to entertain people, he said, go be entertained. He goes, you want to entertain honey? Go be entertained. Homie. Go see some other shit. He goes, go see something that gets you to go

see a great movie. Go see a band. Go see something. Be entertained. That's what my process is like in the studio, man. Like this last record we did. Like we had a projector and we'd play like,

you know, giant James Niner. We'd play like an easy writer or big Lebowski. We're like, inspired as films that we really gravitated towards. And all the while, you know, waking up in the morning and reading East of Eden and just like some of these great architects of Americana and just like being inspired on every turn, watching live concert footage of bands that we love, martial soccer band, skinnard, whatever case, just inundating yourself with inspiring stuff, you know. Just something to get the juices flowing. Just summon the muse. Something to create. Sometimes we

would play just the footage of like a Midnight Cowboy or something. And we would record, you know, in the mindset, like we were trying to score this film, you know. Oh, wow. Just to kind of get a different approach. I forgot about Midnight Cowboy. What a wild movie. It's a good one. Yeah, that was back

when Times Square was dirty. Yeah. Now Times Square is one big Applebee's. That's when people would go and watch pornography together. Theater. Theater. Yeah. Theater. Yeah. Not only that, but it was a thing

in the early days of pornography where couples would go out and like Johnny Carson went to see Deep Throat. Yeah. There's like famous people went to see the film Deep Throat in the theater. Yeah. What was the adult entertainment? How about how weird is that? The pornography,

like there was always stag films, right? Like that was the thing that they used to make like in the early days of movies that would film people having sex and you could watch it like at a stag party, which was like a bachelor party. Right. But then people tried to make films, like artistic films that had people having sex in them, which is a really interesting that we we find that abort. Like people don't like that in today's society. We don't mind like this show from that I was

telling you about the violence is horrific. The gore and the violence is crazy. That's okay. Just don't suck someone's dick. Don't make them come. That's terrible. Do you remember the movie Bad

Bunny? No, not Bad Bunny. Was that Brown Bunny? Remember the movie Brown Bunny? Brown Bunny was a Vincent Gallo movie that he made and there was a real sex scene in there.

Like, how do you say that lady's name? Chloe? I don't know how you say her name. She's a really good actress and she blows him. Like for real in the movie. Like it's a real scene and the movie is a real movie, but then when it came to the sex

part they actually did it and people were horrified. I mean it's so weird. Like if it was violence, like it was a scene where she beat him to death with a baseball bat. People would be like wow what a crazy movie. Right. But it was a scene where she blows and people were like this is outrageous.

And I think that movie ruined Vincent Gallo's career. Really? Yeah, because Vincent Gallo had been in a bunch of movies. It's a really weird guy, like a very interesting guy. And after that, it kind of dipped away from Hollywood. Like he kind of vanished in a lot of ways.

And that was the big thing. I remember reading these articles on how outraged people were that they had actually seen real sex in a movie. Like it's so strange that we don't mind violence. Like one spot in Hollywood. Brad Pitt takes a lady's head and bashes it into a mental piece and fucking brains are fine. No, no outrage. No, everyone. Everyone's okay. Everyone's okay.

But if he fucked her, like actually pulled her pants down, you see Brad Pitt's penis and her vagina, he's like this is crazy. Something that we all do. Yeah, but the simulation of his font too. Right. Simulation of his font. Yeah. Like it was a sex scene. And you just see his hips and her face

like oh and they're kissing fine. I don't see actual sex. Even if it was like him and his wife. Like if he made a movie with him and his wife and they decided to have actual sex in the movie, people would be like that's disgusting. Get this fucking smart off the screen.

But if they had a movie with him and his wife and she shoots him, they're like okay, that's fine. It didn't really happen. Right. Weird, right? It is weird. I mean, I did a commercial for,

like I did a shoot for this car and like they couldn't have me in the car while it was moving for insurance purposes. So they had to like make it seem like I was in the car while it was moving. Insurance purposes, that's crazy. But that's more of a financial thing. But the weirdness about sex, the point is like see if you can find that footage of all the people that were in line. There's like an old, there's a YouTube video of an old news

report of people in line to see Deep Throat. And again, Johnny Carson was one of them. I think they even interviewed him after the film. Like they went and watched people fuck. And like it was a movie. Like you know, you're watching the Joker or something. Right. Very odd. It is odd. And

I got that name Deep Throat from the Watergate. Did they? Yeah. I thought Deep Throat was afterwards. I thought I thought the Watergate thing was after. I don't know. I could be wrong.

Checking the egg. Okay. So Watergate was what? Seventy four? Was it?

It came out. Seventy two. Okay. Yeah. So the movie came out first. Okay. And so that was after this.

So that's interesting too. When you think about like 72 was not that long ago and people's ideas of pornography were very different back then. A lot of my favorite venues in the country were porno theaters first. Comedy mothership, bro. All right. Yeah. It was a porno theater at the point

time. And like people cared about like the quality of like the audio production in those films. And like, yeah, and these movies sound really good. Variety playhouse in Atlanta. It's one of the best scenes in American world from London. Okay. Do you remember that movie? American World from London?

It's a great fucking movie. One of the best scenes there in the middle of London. And they're in an adult movie theater. And these people are watching pornography. They're watching a smut film. And while

these people are fucking, he turns into a werewolf and kills everybody. I got to check that out. It's great. One of the greatest movies of all time. The wolf that we have in the lobby. That's a recreation

of the American werewolf. Okay. That's what that is. The thing with Johnny Carson and Deep Throat, I think is like a conglomeration memory. Is it? There's a weird, there is a photo of people waiting

in line to see the movie. But it's like, this is it on screen. But there was a video of Johnny Carson talking about it after the fact during his monologue that he went to see it. Oh, so there wasn't a photo or a video of him at the movie theater? I don't think so. I'm

looking forward to that. So I remember you're talking about, I think we might have read an article that listed all of this stuff together. What was that play where they had like everybody was like naked and it was like really a big deal. Was it like hairspray or something like that? In the late 70s, my dad told me him and his friends went to go see this like Broadway production or off Broadway production. Where everybody was like nude and it was like this really,

yeah, it was like this really racy thing. And there was a printer up front just like really just giving him hell man. And then he got up closer and he realized it was his uncle. My great uncle was up there. Just motherfucker. That's hilarious. Wily cited overview. Many

works are quoted note that several mainstream celebrities appear to have seen Deep Throat including Martin Scorsese, Brian DePaul, Malatriman Capote, Jack Nicholson, Johnny Carson, Spiro Agnew, Frank Sinatra and others. Barbara Walters later mentioned seeing it in her memoir. These references are usually brief but they're pulled into many articles about the film's cultural impact. But that's what's so interesting is like that is not not normal in today's society to even think that a bunch of people would say they went to go see a porn film. I think this is also so Midnight Cowboy which is where you guys started this 1969 which is before this and won Best Picture as the first rated X-rated or NC 17 movie. So they started a little bit of a trend then.

Interesting. And just like three years later, you know. Well, I was Midnight Cowboy X rated. The reason? Yeah, like what was so explicit that they had to make it an X?

I would say a little bit has to do with marketing but I don't have to read else if it says a reason. Marketing. Yeah, I make people want to go see it. Right, I guess. Well, that's crazy. This movie's crazy. Standing out here right here after consulting with a

psychologist they told to give it an X-homist actor a frame reference and it's possible influence on youngsters. Wow, that's crazy. Today that would be celebrated. Right, but is it a rape scene? I've heard it in this movie. I saw it in like the 80s. I haven't seen it in forever. Yeah, but even

I mean, like in that film, it's like a it's like a distant thought that John Voigt's character keeps going back to like the rape scene. Whereas like... Well, it was on time you saw it. A couple months ago, bro. Oh, really? But like fucking the deliverance just plays on AMC on TV. Right, which is another

rape scene. Nothing's edited out. Sweet like a pig. That won't fuck me out when I was a kid. I'm not allowed. Oh, yeah, very much so. Not imagine it supposedly took place like in the Appalachian

like back door which is like where I grew up. I was like, that's what's gonna happenin' like here. Because of then shocking sexual content, even more importantly, it's Frank portrayal of homosexuality and hustling. Hustling meaning having gay sex for money, which the studio and censor saw is potentially corrupting to young viewers. The film includes scenes and references to male prostitution, homosexual encounters, and brief but explicit situations, including implied oral sex and nudity, which went far beyond what Hollywood had shown in a mainstream drama up to that point.

Maybe now it would get just an arm, but that would be with this never existing stuff. Now it would be celebrated. It's a film celebrating sex workers. It's weird. It's weird what was but it's also weird that there was a movie that was an actual porn movie that a bunch of people just went to see and talked about. Like today, people want to pretend they don't even watch porn.

Meanwhile, I think last check we did, I know we've done this before Jamie, like what percentage of the internet is pornography? Internet traffic. Take a guess at that. I bet it's way more than SSRIs. Right? Don't you think? Yeah, I haven't guessed right so far so let's say. 50%.

I don't know if it's that high. I would say 30. I'd say 30% of the internet but I can be wrong. I don't remember. 30% of the internet traffic is pornography. Let's say that. Maybe it's 40.

It's a myth? That's a bunch of people lying about jerking off. 30% to 40% of the internet is apparently. Okay, porn makes up a small share of sites. Yeah, but traffic.

30% for 40% widely stated. But what is it? What about traffic? The amount of internet searches? Yeah, but no, but I mean traffic, like the amount of bandwidth.

All right, then that's getting lost in this word because I used traffic. No, I used traffic. Yeah, you did. Why do we see higher numbers? See 30% to 37% of the internet is porn. BBC reported tracing one of these popular figures back to single content filter company press

release, not an independent audited measurement, some advocacy. I bet now today because of YouTube and the amount of streaming that goes on with like Instagram and TikTok, I bet it probably isn't as high as it used to be the percentage wise because there's so much more content that's being streamed now than ever before. Porn related searches are 13% of the web and 20% on mobile devices. That's funny. It's more on mobile devices. People can hide in the toilet.

The content filter company. Okay, I claim comes from this. Yeah, we read that. We already read that. So it could be just made up to be good. Yeah, could be. But there's got to be like a number

of like the internet traffic. I don't know how you get that number. So some advocacy or internet safety groups cite very high traffic shares and storage figures. Like example, nearly a third of all internet traffic. But these are rough sometimes opaque estimates rather than peer reviewed measurements. Hmm. Okay. So it's at least 4%. So it says roughly websites, 4 to 12%. That's a lot.

Just 4 to 12% of the whole internet is jerk off websites. That's crazy. But the volume in terms of the amount of bandwidth used. But I bet if you went and watched Deep Throat today, it'd probably be pretty pedestrian. Maintained. Yeah. Probably would seem just like soft core. Right. Yeah, like one of them

Showtime late night movies. I mean, it is something that I, you know, I like to save all that. You know, when I get home off the road, see my wife. Yeah. You know, there's some to that it had a ridge point. The woman had an unusual birth defect that came from a doctor who has an unorthodox

solution to make the best of her situation. Is that it? Is that a deep throat? Yes. Yes.

Or that she could just take it balls deep downward. Jim, that guy Harry Reams, he was like one of the first famous male porn stars. I think he went on to be a real estate salesman or something. Like if you're one of those people that gets famous fucking, that's that has got to be a very weak. Yeah. Is that where the porn mustache comes from?

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He had a crazy stash. 1947. Wow. What's he up to these days?

Did he? When did he pass away? Wow. Didn't live that long. All that fucking waste of those jizz.

I bet he shaved off his mustache. He was just anonymous. Just drifting out of traffic. I would even notice them. You know, right? Weird life. Haven't such the people on camera? Should we add

that to the wall? Oh, look at that. What are we going to rest it? When are we going to rest it? Do we add it to the wall? I'll probably add it to the wall. Yeah. And he sends something. Yeah, we should add

that to the wall. Memphis. You got to be up to some no good. Get arrested in Memphis. What did he get arrested for? Too much dick. This is his appearance in Deep Thrill. There was rest by FBI agents in Memphis.

Wow. He called him for him shopping. But I don't, what does that mean? For him? Shop He'll term for the practice of litigants taking actions to have their legal case heard in the court. They believe his most to give him a good judgment. They're trying to get him convicted, I guess.

Trying to make an example of them. So if I'm a court, that would take the case. Like for obscenity? Yeah. Interesting. In court. Millivers, California. Reenters granted a new trial.

Charges were dropped in August. Wow. So they just spent so he's the first act of every prosecutor by the federal government for appearing in a film. It's like the Lenny Bruce Slingen Dick. And then all these people got behind him. Very Shirley McLean. Warren Beatty. Richard

Dreyfus. They all got behind him. Jack Nicholson. Ben Gazara. Wow. Dick Cavitt.

No, he was in Greece. That's the coach. Wow. He was in the movie, Greece, the musical. What? In 1978? Out of fear. No, the radio would rip.

Jeff or not. He was replaced. Oh, he was cast. And he was replaced by Sid Caesar. That's hilarious.

Wow. After an eight year in 1982, after an eight year hiatus from porn, Reems returned to the industry and performed in the film Society of Fairs and reportedly received a six figure salary. How weird. The whole pornography thing is very strange. Because people want to watch other people have sex because people like having sex. But it's like, but you can't talk about it. But you know,

if you say you like it, people like fuck is wrong with you. And then they watch it. But if we can destigmatize it and not give people unrealistic ideas of what happens in the bedroom and note it is something that is entertainment. I think the fear is that the women that are in it for the rest of their life, they're always going to be thought of a certain way. And the men's skate, they don't really have a like this. They're thought of CD, but they don't thought as like, you know,

girls that got used. But I think what's going to get weird is AI porn, because then you can watch porn and there's no victims. Right. There's no person you feel bad for. Like, oh, that poor girl, everyone's going to know that she sucked dick on camera. She took it in the ass on camera.

It's not a real person. So then maybe you can watch that and move any kind of victim. Yeah. I don't know. People are fucking weird. People are weird.

I'll tell you one thing I've never tried and I'm not going to. I don't want it. Nope. Not going to do it is VR porn. Because Duncan told me, dude, if you ever see VR porn, it's fucking amazing.

Like, I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to sit there with fucking goggles on and jagged off. Joe hasn't left his house in about six months. I mean, you imagine you're watching porn and the people are fucking 20 feet high and out of you with the other bag and if you can move around in it, like you can move around another VR, like you can get really close to watch the dick go in there. That's one thing I haven't tried either. VR porn? Good for you. Stay away. VR in general is weird.

You know what's really great though is VR games. Have you ever done any VR games? You know what Sandbox is? You've heard of Sandbox? Sandbox, they have one in Austin. They had one in Woodland Hills right

down the street from our old studio in LA and it is a place where you go. It's like a big ass warehouse and you go to these rooms in the warehouse and they have fans set up and it's all like these walls, like it's all boundaries. They put a haptic feedback vest on you and goggles and they give you rifles and the plastic rifles and then you get dropped into this virtual reality where you fight zombies. Oh shit. It's fucking dope. Dude, it's nuts. When the zombies attack you, they run at you, they claw you

see blood splatter in front of your eyes and you gun them down. It's fucking crazy. There's one called Deadwood Mansion. That's my favorite and the Deadwood Man. There's a couple of different Deadwood games. I think there's two or three now. I think there's three. I think there's three.

There's three zombie games that you can play. There's three different ones. No, it's here. Here. They have one in Austin. Yeah. It's out at the domain. Yeah. It's out of the domain. It's

fucking so fun. My family hates it because they get sick and I wanted this all over on Father's Day. I make everybody shoot zombies with me. Like it's Father's Day. What do I do? Shoot.

Zombie's like, no. Come on. We have to do it. Yeah. It's fun. You do it. It's fun. Father's Day's

coming in. Turn him in. Okay. At one point in time I had the number three score in the country. No shit. I was killing zombies. Yeah. I went ham one day. One day I was just locked the fuck in

and the key is I'm going to give you guys a pro tip. If you're doing Deadwood Mansion, get the shotgun. The shotgun is overpowered. The shotgun kills more things than anything else. It's way better at it. But the game is nuts, man. I mean, there's zombie rats that come running

at you. There's fucking people that are attached to the walls and they shoot down their tongue and wrap it around your neck and they're pulling on you. Show them a clip of it. It's crazy. It's a fucking it. It's really fun, dude. You'll love it. I'm gonna take the band to do that. Yeah. That's what

you could do. You could do it like six people. It's going there for like band activities. It's a good one. I bet they have multiple. I don't know. I only know of these two of Austin and LA.

It's one of those in Atlanta. Oh, it's one of Atlanta? Yeah. They have to have them all over the place. I don't know. I have no idea why it's not everywhere because it's so fun. It's one of the most fun things

you could do with your friends. We've done it. My wife and I've done it on double dates. Like you go do that and you go have dinner. It's great, man. It's great. It's really fun. I got 10 locations now.

Oh shit. They're all over the place now. Yeah, that's great. See if you can find a video of Deadwood Mansion. Oh, Deadwood phobia. Oh, that's the newest one. That's

the third one. Oh, there's a Squid Games one. We've done that one too. The Stranger Things one. They have so many different Deadwood Valley. That's another one that's really good.

The Deadwood Valley one. Yeah, there we go. So check this out. So this is what happens. You get dropped off into this city and the zombies are there. And so this is this like it's this cut

between you with the guns and then like this is what you see. This is what it looks like. So but this is more like a video like showing you what it looks like on the outside. But when you're in it, which is what it would show you what it looks like when you're in it. And these dudes are chasing after you're gunning them down. It's really fun. But again, there's a bunch of games

that you can do that survive the horrors. You got to save the heroes. There's people in there that you have to save and there's other people that you have to kill. It's dope. It's really fun.

That's a good use of VR. Don't be looking at 10 foot vaginas. Look at that. Go kill fake zombies. You get stuck on a train and as it trains to run down the tracks, they're jumping onto the train and trying to get you. You have to gun them down. It's really fun.

This seems like something I could get into. I never played any video games growing up. Really? That's crazy. How old are you? 30. How's that possible? I mean, I just never had much

interest in them. Like when I was young, I don't know. Do your friends play video games? By the rest of the band, they all play, you know. And you can say, no, not interested. I was just never

really into it, man. Well, this is different than a regular video game. Like this is very physical. Like you're running around. You're in a room that's bigger than this room. And you have your haptic

feedback. You also have fans that blow air at you. You know, like, you see, like, it's also cool you off too because it gets hot as fuck and you're running around. You got this vest on. And when you get grabbed, the vest vibrates. So you feel it? Like, oh, that's sick. Oh, yeah, that's really fun.

But it's probably good that you never got into video games because they're so time intensive. They rob you of your life. You think golf robs you of your life? You don't have to leave the house to play video games. Look at Jamie over there. How about you play video game, Jamie? No, not that often.

No? No. I thought you were a junkie. I actually haven't played in weeks. But you were hooked for a while, right? As I'm thinking of my head, I grew up playing video games,

but I also wish I was fucking sick of guitar. So there's a fucking trade-offs there. And most people I know are sick of guitar aren't good at video games. We'll play them. So that's a very good point. I did make, I made an effort like a year or two ago. I got a PS5 and I got Red Dead Redemption.

I was like, I'm gonna fucking do it. I'm gonna play this game. And I just got, I was like, I feel like I'm just doing chores. And I asked my drummer, he was like, yeah, it's pretty much what it is. Oh, Red Dead Redemption. Yeah. Yeah. You gotta play something like a first person shooter.

You know, play like Quake or something like that. Like what's the big first person shooter that the kids played today, Jamie? I mean, Fortnite, really? Fortnite. Fortnite's been around forever.

When my kids were in like grade school, Fortnite was big. Yep. And they just made some weird, I stop paying attention, but like Star Wars is now in Fortnite and that the games that they made for Star Wars are just like, nope, it's just in this thing. Now you just play it in here. Wow, really?

Yeah. And it's like they down the stormtroopers and lifesavers. Whoa. Yeah, my nephews are always hitting me for what they call that, like Fortnite bucks. V bucks. V bucks. V bucks. So they can play more. Yeah, there's Robux. My kids are always into Robux

for Roblox. So you could buy things Roblox. But apparently now there's like pedophiles if it got into Roblox, they try to message people. They ruin everything. They do. They do.

Creeps ruin everything. But there's some very fun video games that you shouldn't ever do, because it'll fuck with all the other things you do. Like not getting into golf, not getting into video games. Again, Jamie's dead right. That's probably why you're so sick of guitar.

That's what you can make a guitar generally. We. Well, there's other things like there's certain games we can play guitar like Guitar Hero. That's not the fucking same. No, no, no, but how many people learn how to play guitar, an actual guitar? There's a game called, there's technically a game, so they're training it

called Rock Smith, which is way it's you actually have a guitar and it's plugged into it, not on a school. Well, guitar here you just think five buttons. Oh, I see. Red to red, blue to blue, at the timing thing. But as you know, Trent, it doesn't. Oh, but it would imagine that a game

that would teach you how to play guitar with an actual guitar would be dope. Like if you got like, you know, like these games, like the sandbox game, Deadwood Mansion, you get a gun. And if you got really good, like, staccato has a VR gun game. Staccato, they make pistols, and there's a VR gun game, and you get a plastic staccato. And when you're playing this game, like you're actually pointing the trigger and when you pull the trigger, there's actually like a muzzle jump. So your reticle actually jumps up a little, your red dot jumps up and down a little

bit. That was that would be exactly like it would do if you actually shot a gun. So they have to like re center it. Bang, bang, bang. And so you could run around doing things and shoot stuff and shoot targets and that's here to yeah. And but that's a game that you can get for like

VR goggles, like consumer VR goggles. And so you doing that could get better at shooting guns, because you're shooting a plastic doesn't weigh the same, but it's the same shape, the same form. It's plastic gun. And what they really should do is make one of those things with the weight of an actual steel gun so that you're accustomed to the actual feel of the thing. And then, God, why can't they do that? They should be able to do that. They will talk to them.

But if you did that, like that would be a skill that would actually transfer over. So if they could do that with a guitar, they could figure out a way to attach like computer sensors to an actual real guitar. This is rock snip. This is a there's levels of it. You can slow it down. And what are you playing?

Real songs. You picked a song. They're real songs. Right. But what is the interface? The guitar.

Oh, an actual guitar. Yeah, it's plugged in with the USB cable to the computer. Oh, it's their virtual guitar. No, no, this is just I showed you what it looks like on the game, but right. What is it?

But it looks like an actual guitar. Whatever guitar you want to play. Oh, you're a guitar. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh. The guitars are just things that vibrate strings and. Oh, oh, oh, dude, that's dope.

Oh, oh, oh, that's dope. That's, that is dope. But I think after a while you'd have to band in that. Right. Yeah. He's good at a guitar. I mean, did you learn this? Did you learn by lessons

or did you just learn by plan? So initially I just learned by just sitting around the house, watching cartoons, playing guitar. My grandfather would teach me something. He'd give me like a project basically where my dad would leave me a record to listen to. It was just his old record record collection. So a lot of almond brothers man, a lot of skinner, Marshall

Tucker-Bam, that kind of thing. And then I would just sit at home all day and just go over it. And then later when I was in high school, I studied jazz theory with Steve Watson. It was like a vocational school for the arts, all the fine arts center in Greenville, South Carolina. And I'd go there in the afternoons and study jazz theory, which was really beneficial because it's good to put a vocabulary into the things that you kind of knew, you know, but you didn't know how to quite name it. Just kind of learning the vocabulary, learning, you know,

what the things are called and then expanding upon that, you know. Yeah, music theory is a valuable tool. Yeah. Does it help you in writing songs? It can. It

helps in like a naturally use something called a Nashville number system. So like you go into a session and like it's all based off of the major scale. So like one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, and then the eight is just the octave of the one, right? So that's like we got a one, four, five, you know, and it just represents what the chords are. Yeah. Oh, this is where math and stuff gets really

interesting. You go down this rabbit hole forever. Yeah, you could bring a Terrence Hauer back in here. Honestly, and then you bring an ancient Egypt and so this is all vibrations and you can bring a little hyper glyphs into some of the music theory stuff. Terrence Hauer trying to find the one I like to beat.

That's hilarious. But the first time I used a number system with Hauerbeck. Oh, really? Yeah. Because Dan, like his house man for a long time was the remaining members of the Memphis boys who played on like Son of a preacher man by Dusty Springfield. Oh,

wow. And like suspicious minds, that kind of thing. Gene Chrisman, 80 years old playing drums, Bobby Wood, keyboard player Billy Sanford, and his second session in Nashville was pretty woman and he wrote the riff. So I walk in, I was early to the session and they were still finishing up their first session of the day, which was John Prine. And I walked in and was just like, whoa, wow. Dan was like,

that Marcus gave his ass in here and played guitar. So they threw a chart in front of me. I decided to pretend I knew what was going on. You know, that's where you got to rely on your ear. But it's conversational too. Like if you don't really know what's

going on, like, you don't want to say much. Right. That's fascinating, man. I'm scared of music. Not really, but I'm scared of practicing it. I'm scared of learning it.

Because I just feel like it'd be very rewarding and I'd get very obsessed. Yeah. Something to it. Yeah. Well, this amount of guys people out there like you doing it.

Man, I'm just thankful. Well, that's the best attitude to have. That's what I think. I think gratitude is the best attitude to have. Anyone that's doing what they actually want to do, what's going to propel you forward and keep it going is probably gratitude. Yeah.

Just be happy that you're able to do one of the coolest fucking things in the world for a living. Kind of amazing. Just and don't be an asshole. Don't be an asshole. That's it. You'd be surprised

how hard it is to follow that one. I know, right? A lot of people fail. Well, thank you Marcus. Thanks for being here brother. It was fun. Enjoy. What's up? Oh, thanks for having me. Anytime.

See you again. All right. Bye everybody.