The day I made the missing persons report, I found something out. I found something out. I just waited for the police to come over and talk to me, and they never shut up. In today's new episode of Missing, we have a really wild story. This is a story about the disappearance of Robert Allen Byrne from San Bernardino County on August 1st, 1995. He was 28 years old at the time of his disappearance. And in this conversation, we have the privilege of speaking with Robert's sister, Lori, who we met on social media doing some advocating for her brother's case.
About two-thirds through this episode, we will cut to a conversation that we had with attorney Mark Regas, who corroborates much of Lori's story. And you may be wondering what we're talking about here. This is a missing persons case. Robert is currently missing. But Lori strongly believes he was murdered and introduces the case as such. Lance, what'd you make of this conversation? Well, it's a difficult one to have, and not so much even the fact that Robert disappeared.
in like the prime of his life, right? 28 years old and still missing. But Lori has come to grips with her conclusion, which is that he was murdered. So it's a difficult conversation in that, but also it's a difficult conversation because who she suspects is responsible for this. And the fact that like, we're not trained to do this as human beings, as people who try to go about their day-to-day lives and work their jobs and pay their bills. Like there's no blueprint. We say this all the time. There's no textbook on how to handle this. So she's trying to navigate a conversation where she doesn't know what to say that's going to be, you know, productive to put out there, or it's going to possibly completely.
destroy a case that's being built against somebody. So this is sort of those crux conversations that we have. I think everyone did their best here. It's super important to listen to this because not only does it give you information on this missing person, but it's a guideline on how to navigate these really difficult conversations and get the word out there publicly. Absolutely. And there are links in the show notes to follow Lori's work in advocating for her brother's case. There's also a brand new GoFundMe. We'd love it if you could donate to that. It's a pretty modest goal. And if you do have any information in this case, you can contact the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department at 909-387-3695.
And we do have to give a trigger warning here because there is much talk of abuse. And as we mentioned, Lori believes Robert was murdered. And so there's some bleeping in this conversation as well because one of these alleged murderers is still with us. Okay, so please let us know what you think on YouTube or Spotify. Follow us on social media at MissingCSM. And we're going to break quick here for a commercial and we'll be right back with Lori.
Welcome to the podcast, Lori. Lori, how are you tonight? I'm doing okay. Very, very grateful to be here. Yeah, we are grateful to have you here. You are a new guest to the show. Probably a lot of our audience doesn't know who you are or your backstory. Can you introduce yourself and maybe just a little bit about that before we get into the actual story here? Yes, I'm Lori Byrne, and my brother, Robert Byrne, was murdered in the summer of 1995. Obviously, no justice was done. I don't have his body.
And I want people to know about my brother. I'm hoping to get some justice and I'm hoping to get my brother's body recovered. And then if nothing else, I'd really like the truth to be told. Okay, so before we get into the circumstances of his murder and the details of why you don't have a body, can you talk a little bit about your past and your relationship with your brother? Maybe a little bit about your upbringing? Well, my brother and I, our child was so terrible that, you know, unfortunately, we weren't as close as we probably should have been because...
We were both in our rooms so much. We were safe in our bedrooms. So my brother just stayed home and played his guitar. He was awesome, awesome on his guitar. He was amazing. You know, he probably could have been famous. He was that good. But we were the closest that a brother and sister could be under those circumstances. I mean, it was like I would protect my brother. I was the older sister. You know, of course, I cared about my brother. But I was so traumatized from so many things. I regret that I couldn't be better of a big sister. But those should have been the responsibilities of my parents.
because I was in so much trauma myself. And what was the age difference between you and Robert? And did you have other siblings as well? Four years. Four years difference. And we have a half sibling.
It's younger, the youngest. And what was the source of the trauma? Was this abuse from your parents? Oh, there was that too. So if we started out in the beginning, that was mostly my mom. My dad was a workaholic, so he was gone a lot. And so my mother raised us and another family member's older children. So they were in the home with us. My mom, you know, she was there a lot, but then she would also go out to the bars and go out with men and just leave us.
So my parents, you know, they just weren't very good parents. They shouldn't have even become parents. And then we moved to another area. And then at that house, unfortunately, there was a neighbor boy that started molesting me. So my trauma started really young. But it was also, too, at the house with my mom, even before we moved, my mother was a very disruptive, kind of violent alcoholic. And she was also suicidal. So that caused a lot of issues. And then when Robert was born.
My mother did not bond to him. So, you know, of course I would never know about these things. You know, so he hid in his room because he was scared of my mom. My mom would just, she would sometimes get really mean to the both of us, Robert and I, and just bash our heads together and bash us in the wall. But she treated Robert worse. She treated Robert worse than just total neglect. Just totally did not care about him at all.
And my mother didn't do very good with me either. You know, she definitely not maternal, but she did care about the youngest child of hers. But that was from another man. She bonded with him. That was her favorite. The older children that were with us, she had a favorite. The older one was her favorite until she had this baby and the other older ones moved out. Now, when you say she didn't bond with your brother and did bond with another son, what is the difference? I think that she didn't bond with Robert because he cried. He just, he'd been in the hospital.
And my mom and my dad had different blood types. And so there was a problem. And so he was in the hospital after he was born for weeks. And so I heard, it must have been from my mother, that she would try to hold her son and then he'd just cry. And so she thought that it was probably from being in the hospital that then when the nurses would pick him up, all they'd pick him up for is to give him like a shot or take his blood or whatever and hurt him. So obviously if he thinks he's going to get picked up, that he's going to be hurt. So he would cry when my mom picked him up.
So then my mother just couldn't deal with it. And she just, that was it. We probably took care of him more than my mother, you know, the children, which was really tragic for my brother. How old were the two of you when you started realizing the level of abuse here? I think we didn't. We just thought it was normal because that's all we knew. And there was no one to save us. There was no family. There was no one. And the only, the few people that were around us were usually my mother's boyfriends, drunken boyfriends.
So there's no one. Well, take us to 1995. What was your life like at that point? And what was Robert's life like? And were you living near each other at that point? We were about probably a half hour away. But the tragedy to another layer of tragedy to this story is that I wasn't even seeing my brother. And I didn't know this because I didn't know about triangulation. I would never dream that my dad would try to keep us apart. Who would ever think of such a thing? I only learned the last few years exactly what my dad did. He kept us apart on purpose.
My dad, I see that's another thing. See, we got to go back a little bit. When we were growing up, first we had my mom, you know, mostly because dad was gone all the time. And then they divorced when she got pregnant by another man. Okay, and then we were with my mom solely.
And, you know, dad would visit sometimes. But mostly he just, you know, focused, you know, with the boys because he did. He loved my brother, Robert, at the time. You know, with all the suicides going on with mom and all the violence and all that, all the destruction that she did in the house. You know, there was a tiny bit of normalcy in the house. It was a tiny bit. But I didn't know that until my dad moved in. And that's when things started to change for the worse. My dad moved in when I was 15. And then everything was different. With mom, we at least had Christmases. We had, you know, we had birthday cake. We had...
tiny bit of the things that normal people do. You know, the house was clean. You know, you look kind of normal, even though it was far from it. But with dad, he didn't care about the house. We had no holidays. And he isolated us. He didn't even let us go to school. He kept us out of school. I don't even know how he pulled that off. You know, I was a kid, I didn't think about any of this stuff then. You know, how would I know? I mean, I just lived in all this dysfunction.
So we didn't know any better. I'm sure they did. I'd like to go back maybe a little bit further. What was the upbringing like for your mom? And what was the upbringing like for your father? What was their childhood like? Yeah, mom was really isolated. She didn't have a mother. Her mother didn't want her, I guess. So her mother never came to visit, never came to visit us as maybe one time. And that was late in life. So she didn't have a mom. She was very isolated.
with her dad. And she had a younger brother and she had an older brother. It was a half brother. So it was, you know, it wasn't good until she got a stepmother. And the stepmother was awesome to her. She loved her. And I'm sure my mother was thrilled to have a mom. And she took very good care of my mom. She had a good life at that point. And what about your father? What was his childhood like? From what I understand, it was pretty good. Grandma, I guess, was kind of off. I don't know. Really, really overprotective. Controlling.
but she loved them. She loved her sons. And so, you know, she had a lot of internal instinct. And it seemed, you know, there was a lot of family around. That's the weird part that my dad had. It seemed, you know, relatively normal, you know, and he had, you know, grew up in, you know, around animals, but he was just, I don't know if he was just born this way. I don't know if it's just because he was narcissistic or what, but he just, he was just like a criminal from the child. I've heard some stories about him and he just didn't like to follow the rules. You know, he just liked to.
just do whatever he wanted to do. And it didn't matter if it was right or wrong. But I know his dad was really good, a really good man. But I think the mother, his mother was more domineering and she wasn't a criminal either. She was not, they were both basically good people from what I understand. So I don't know how my dad just turned out to be more just so like anti-family, you know, just shady. And yeah, it's very strange. And then, and then, so, you know, it was already bad, but then my dad started abusing me like verbally.
He hated me because I was like my mom. And I guess he hated my mother for having another man's baby. And so he took it out on me. So that didn't help anything. And so Robert got to see me getting abused because it was all the time. And it was bad. It was extreme. He was vicious to me. And then he really wasn't happy with me either because when I was 14, I was raped. I was a virgin. And my mom found out. I was scared to tell her. I was just scared. I was traumatized. And she didn't even care. So I didn't get any justice for that. And so that didn't help anything. I started just acting out.
Because when you have no love, see, we were not loved. So, you know, it's like no love, no emotional support. I just did the best. And so it's very unfortunate because I could have been a better sister if I wasn't so traumatized. But, you know, that's why I always kind of felt like I was the mother. But I wasn't equipped to be, you know.
I wish I could have been a better sister and mother in that role, but I just had too much trauma. Yeah, exactly. You can second guess yourself now as much as you can. But back then, you don't know what's going to happen. You don't know what the outcome is going to be. So maybe you could have figured out that things could be better if you tried something different. But I mean, that's such like a young, formidable age. You're just trying to deal with what you're dealing with. The description of your father is kind of incredible. What did he do for work?
He worked for an insurance company. And so, you know, he's a white collar worker. You would never believe by looking at him that he was really a monster behind closed doors. And I hate to say that about my dad. I mean, because he could be really nice. Sadly, you know, he wasn't that nice to me. You know, I even told our family doctor. We didn't go to doctors very often. Like I said, we were really isolated. When I went to him and he did not believe me. And then years later.
He told me one day, he goes, you're right about your dad. Yeah. So something, he must've pissed my dad off. Your doctor told you years later that you were right about your dad? Was this like a psychiatrist doctor? He was, he was an actual MD, but he also was a psychologist. What was it that alerted him to, about your dad to make him tell you years later? I think it had to do about Robert. I think, I think it was that he was trying to get some meds for my brother and the doctor refused. See, my dad would try to like, you know, he'd call me crazy, tell me I need to get psych meds. Yeah. So my dad like set us up.
My dad just set us up. In which way do you mean that he set you up? I mean, just like set us up to just like, like be on psych meds and for people to think we're crazy. I don't know if he just tried to disfread us back then. I don't know. Maybe he was worried about if like, if I told someone what was going on at the house. So he just like would try to make it look like I was crazy. I don't know. I'm never going to understand. I wish I could ask him so many questions, but I can't. Is your dad still with us? No. We'll be right back after a quick word from our sponsor. And a thank you to our sponsors. Back to the program.
Now, can you tell us about Robert and the circumstances of his disappearance? Yes. Even though I wasn't seeing my brother at the time, because like I said, my dad kept us apart for his own agendas that I can't get into. I just assumed everything was okay. I mean, you know, I thought, I just thought everything was fine. I mean, how could I know any different? Until I got a knock at the door one day. And I was sick, I was pregnant. And this woman comes to the door and says, do you know where Robert is? I'm like, no, where is he? So she didn't know, and I sure didn't know.
And then it's like, oh my God, where's Robert, right? And so I didn't know where he was. I'm calling my mom. Mom, you know, where's Robert? And then I went to talk to my dad. And then he acted like everything was okay. And I told him, I remember this. The first thing I said to him was, dad, we got to hire a private investigator to find him. And he said, no. So I just didn't know, you know, things were, you know, that serious. And then I had a miscarriage. And so then my boyfriend killed himself, like, I think it was 37 days later. So I was kind of out of it. And that's understanding. I was just, I couldn't even function.
So finally, there was still nothing about Robert. I went to the police station and I made a missing persons report. And then the day I made the missing persons report, I found something out. I found something out. I just waited for the police to come over and talk to me and they never showed up. They never showed up? Was that back in 1995 that you made the missing persons report? It was in 1996. Okay. And what was it that you found out if you can share? I cannot say. But I just, what happened? What happened to Robert?
Did you find that out by accident? Yeah, I had no clue. Yes, I, yes. Someone told me. Someone told me. I was like, how can this, how can this happen? I was absolutely just, I can't even explain to you. The person who told you what happened, is it somebody that you are confident you can trust? Absolutely. 100%. And then after like a couple days, I heard, I heard it and I just couldn't comprehend it. And then, you know, it took me a couple days to kind of process, even though, like, how can you process this? I just like, I can't survive this.
But I had a little boy, so I had to survive. What was the initial story that you shared with the police about how Robert went missing? I didn't really say much because I didn't know much. Right, so you just knew he wasn't around. Yeah, he was, where is he? Where is he? To my mom, like, where is he? Where is he? Of course, I didn't know what to do, especially in all my trauma. I didn't know what to do. And the sad thing is, is other people should have done something. I'm not trying to blame them, but I really needed somebody to help me because I wasn't the only one that found out.
There were other people that found out, but I think they just stayed silent. What were some of the circumstances in the days and weeks, months before your brother disappeared, before you didn't realize, before you didn't know where he was? Was there any sort of violent activity or was he acting strange? Was there any anxiety there? Well, because we were separated, I didn't know. But I found out a lot of things in the last few years. So what was going on is he was with his girlfriend. He had a girlfriend. He finally found some love. She had some children.
He loved them. He took good care of all of them. So he was with this woman. And then she, I guess, went to go visit some family. And then she came back and he was gone. But she felt that he was already, like, in danger that someone was trying to take him out. Because of threats or something like that? No threats. Just in what was going on. She just felt it that this person wanted him to, like, die. This person, which I can't say who.
Supplied him, you know, lots of alcohol. I remember he was on psych meds because dad pushed it on us. And where is the official investigation at this point? It's the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department. And are they actively investigating in any way, shape or form?
They say it's an open case. They say they are. Have you spoken with anyone from the sheriff's office any time recently? It's been a few months. But it wasn't very good. The last time I spoke, I just feel like it seems like it's hopeless. And I've said that before to them. I would just like to know. I mean, if it's hopeless, just tell me.
You know, then we could just try to get his body. If they can't do it, then I could try to figure it out on my own. We could get the equipment. I would like to get my brother out of there so he could rest in peace once and for all. Once and for all. I think that's the least everyone could do for him after his horrific life and everything and everything he went through. You said out of there. Is there a location that you believe he is located? Yes. Okay. Is that a residence? Is that a forest or something like that? Or any insight on that one? You know, I thought he was in this one area, but now there's another possibility, but I don't think I could say where that is.
Okay, but you have good reason to believe that he's there? Yes. And is it all in the same area? No. How far apart are the areas that you believe he might be? I would say one area would be maybe an hour and 15 minutes away from the other one. So it's not too far of a distance. And how many people were involved in making your brother go missing? I used to think it was just two. But then, you know, one of these people told me. These people told me things. The actual people involved.
And so then one time, one of them said three. So it's two or three. Although I think that there's only evidence for one because the one was protecting the other one. Your brother was certainly not a small guy. Six, three, 200 pounds, is that accurate? Three and a half, yeah, at least 200 pounds. So three people involved, but they're all sort of, two of them are protecting one? No, I know for sure there's two, for sure there's two. But I was told by one of them that there was three, which I never knew. When I was first told, two. And one of those two protected the other one.
And what is the reasoning for this? Is there like a background of, I mean, I don't want to like categorize your brother or anything, but is this like, were there like drugs involved? Was there something else illegal happening here? No, no, no, no. I think it was just, he had a previous problem with one of them involved. I guess he pissed them both off. I guess he just pissed them both off. If I had to say it simply. And the other one would do whatever the other one wanted. You know, it was a relationship that twisted. Just whatever.
This one wanted whatever this person wanted. The other one would do whatever it was, whatever it was, even including murder. About five years ago, one of the number two started to talk to me. Never happened before. He didn't talk very much about it. But what little he did, it just all came back. It all came back to me. It's like reliving this horrible nightmare all over again from the beginning. Like all those feelings came back. You know, of course, they never went away. So I was glad that this person is telling me this.
He said he didn't want to go to hell. So, you know, he wanted to tell the truth. Okay. So that was why he decided to tell you the truth because he didn't want to go to hell. Is he sick? Yes. Is he getting older? He was older and he also had some serious health issues. Yeah. It's like, you know, hey, you know, that's good. Let's tell the truth because before this, you know, we did talk about this a few years before this and he would not do it. And he got really mad at me because I wanted the truth to come out. I said, you have to tell the whole truth, not just try to protect the other one.
You need to tell the whole truth. We'll be right back after a quick word from our sponsor. And a thank you to our sponsors. Back to the program. At this point, when he's telling you this now, what is stopping a trip to police? Believe it or not, we were going to go. Oh. And we had a lawyer. Okay. Yeah, we were going to go to the police station. This person got really mad at me and then was getting vindictive to me and, you know, wanted to punish me for speaking the truth. And so then we got a lawyer for that.
And so the same lawyer, when this person wanted to tell the truth, this lawyer said, no, you can't go. You can't go. You can't go to the police station. And he told me that the cops wouldn't believe me. And then I would even get charged. So it scared me. Scared me. So I was like, OK, you know what? I asked this other lawyer that I do trust. And then he just said that he'll contact the DA. And so he did.
He went and knocked on the door, but obviously the police didn't get there before this person died. Now, I spoke with the lawyer, Mark Regas, today. He had some information corroborating your story here, and he actually spoke with some of these individuals. My name's Mark Regas, and I'm an estate planning attorney here in Southern California, namely Upland, California. And I came to know William Byrne originally by way of doing some estate planning work for him. And that was probably going back to maybe 2019, in which I first met William Byrne. And through that process, I also met his daughter, Lori.
And so in 2020, it was in December of 2020, I got a call from Lori stating that her father, Bill, or William Byrne, was not doing well. And so she asked me to come up and see her father at the house. Not really something I was accustomed to. I mean, I do make sometimes house calls, but she said it was important and that he wasn't doing well. So I assumed possibly it had something to do with his estate plan. Maybe we're going to make a last minute change prior to his passing. So at the time, I went up to the house and he lives near these...
where they have a big Christmas light production. And so I sat there in traffic for 45 minutes, kind of questioning, what am I doing? But I finally get to the house there in the evening. Maybe it's around five, six o'clock. It's already dark. And there is William sitting in his bed in the middle of the living room. He's obviously not doing well, but he was, appeared to me to be of sound mind. So I came into the living room. Lori stepped out. He said, Dad has something to tell me. And so Lori went, I believe she went into the garage while I sat there with Bill.
So me and Bill, we're talking proud man, most certainly loves to give a firm handshake sort of deal. And we're having a conversation. And so he kind of just jumps into it. Bill, what am I doing here? Right. You dragged me all the way up here. What are we doing? Are we making a change to your trust? No, it has nothing to do with my trust. I want to tell you something that happened back in around 1995. And so what Bill proceeds to do is essentially tells me that he's dying, in his opinion. He doesn't have much longer to live. And before he dies, he wants to admit his involvement in a murder.
And what it turns out to be is it's really the murder of his son. And obviously, in my personal opinion, Bill didn't really have any interest of paying for it during his lifetime. But I think he was hopeful that maybe some justice could be brought as it relates to the other party allegedly involved. So the story goes, and again, this is coming from Bill directly, is sometime in 1995. I think it might have been in August.
grab Robert Byrne, and they tape him up, drive him out in the back of a truck with a camper shell, drive him out to the desert, whether it be on the way out there or whether it be when they got there. They supposedly or allegedly shoot Robert in the back of the head. They apparently came prepared in the sense that they had shovels. Bill also told me that they dug a deep hole. He claimed it to be six feet, and then they dumped the body, and on top of that, he alleges that they dumped a bunch of lye on top of that.
Again, my question on it is, you know, is it valid? Yeah. I mean, clearly I've done my own research in the sense of this guy's obviously missing, right? And so really the question is, is whether or not Bill Byrne committed this crime, whether or not he indeed murdered him. Based on what I can see, Robert Byrne falls off the face of the earth. No longer social security number is used. There's no address for him right around that time in 94 or 95. He's no longer in existence.
So most recently, Lori has been doing a lot of outreach, trying to get in touch with some of Robert's friends, some of the *** friends, some of Bill's friends, trying to kind of piece this together as much as she can. And I think most recently she ran into a friend of Bill or maybe ***. He, for the first time, raised the issue that Robert might be buried at a house where he was resigning at the time. That brings me back to kind of question, well, okay, why would Bill lie to me as far as where the body is? Who knows, though, right? I kind of played this through in my mind thousands of times trying to figure out, would Bill lie about that? Is it possible that this guy is buried at the property? I guess it is theoretically possible, and the only way that I get there is maybe Bill is being kind of forced into this by Lori to come clean.
but really doesn't want to give the full story and really doesn't, at the end of the day, want to harm ****** to a point where they're able to actually find the body and bring some sort of justice to ******. Because it's a lot different making a claim that ****** helped me with this murder and we buried it somewhere in the middle of the desert versus, no, here it is, here's the address of the property and that's where the body is. So that's the only reason why I guess it theoretically in my mind could be possible that the missing person Robert is buried at the property and ******. That's the only way I guess we could get there as to why Bill would lie to me. Now, one thing that I never got a real good answer on is why. Why did this supposedly happen? I kind of got this half-cocked story about that was chasing in a car.
got back to the house and said, Bill, if you don't help me kill Robert, then I'm going to kill you. I could never really get behind that story. That just didn't make a whole lot of sense. I think Lori has, based on further conversations, I think she had maybe been kind of come up with this motive, if you will, that Robert had stole the gun and that was enough to anger him to the point of committing this alleged murder. However, again, Why does Bill get involved in this? Why are you going to murder your son at the behest of without a real good reason? So all of that has kind of been really where I get lost in this entire story as to I still don't have a good reason for the motive. So I meet with him 2020. I think it was December 12.
I go back maybe about 10 days later, I prepared a statement or what we would call a dying declaration. Bill signs that dying declaration on the 22nd, so just a few days before Christmas. And that's really the end of it. And then I think it's maybe a few months, maybe two months that Bill passes. And based on his direction, at that point, Laurie goes to the police in an effort to push this story forward. I do know that the cold case detectives have looked into it, which leads me to believe that at least they understand that this individual is missing, as I've said, fallen off the face of the earth back in 95. I don't know how much investigation they've done as to the alleged, I guess...
co-conspirator. I'm not really sure what's come of that. I'm not sure if they even believed that *** was involved. Did the police interview William before he passed in those two months? No, the police did not interview William because it was William's expectation or direction that nothing come of this until he passes away. So really, we didn't, or Lori did not, my recollection is Lori did not go to the police with
this story until her father passed away, which was what his wishes were and essentially what his direction to me was. And as an attorney, there's nothing I can really do given that my direction is don't do anything with this unless and until I pass. Wow, Laurie. Well, this is an insanely tragic story. I am so sorry for what you and your family have been through. I wish you luck in moving this case forward in any possible way and certainly let us know how we can help. If you could like connect us to maybe helping us get the things we need.
I think there's a way around. We could try to get my brother's body. I mean, if we just have the equipment, if we have the ground penetrating radar, I mean, I don't want to give up on that. The place where you want the ground penetrating radar or places that you were thinking about are these private properties? One is for sure.
And I would really like to, you know, get permission. And then the other place is technically private property, but it's like it's out in the desert. Well, certainly dogs could help. Ground penetrating radar needs to be exact as far as where you think something is. Whereas a dog, I think, might be a little bit more, might be a little more like wiggle room in the exact area if you have a cadaver dog. Well, I pretty much, I know around the location. And it's been 30 years. The detective told me themselves they don't want to use the resources because it's too vast of an area. And a few other things. You know, it's been 30 years.
we'd have to get permission, but I just want to find him. I just want to find him. That's the least, I mean, after you heard the story about our childhood and how betrayed even, you know, after death, even, I mean, on top of the betrayal in life and then after death too, by silence and plus these people were close to him. Like, how horrible is it? And then, you know, bad enough, we didn't get no justice. And then we can't even have his body either. I mean, it's just beyond heartbreaking. And it's like, I can't live like this. This is, I've been like this. And it's like, I'm never going to recover from it because it's so horrible.
But it's like, I think, you know, if we could just do something for Robert, you know, I can make it just a little bit better, just a little bit better to where, you know, it's only fair. And then, you know, he could rest in peace. You know, I think he deserves that at the least. Don't you think?