Ep. 32 Musa al-Gharbi on Why We Have Never Been Woke

The Complex Trust Dilemma: Engaging Expert Perspectives with Musa AlbiIn this episode of ‘We Made This Political,’ hosts Laura Ham and Lauren Hall dive into the complex dynamics of institutional trust with sociologist Musa al-Gharbi. Musa’s book, ‘We Have Never Been Woke,’ which critiques the gap between elite discourse and lived realities, serves as a focal point for discussing the mistrust of experts. The conversation explores Musa’s unique perspective of being an insider-outsider in the academic world, the limitations of symbolic capitalists, and the often overlooked voices of disadvantaged communities. The episode underscores the nuanced challenges and potential opportunities in addressing social inequalities through a critical examination of how elite professions operate.00:00 Introduction: Why People Mistrust Experts00:52 Meet the Hosts and Today’s Guest01:58 Introducing Musa al-Gharbi and His Work02:37 The Journey of Writing ‘We Have Never Been Woke’07:42 Defining Symbolic Capitalists09:17 Reception and Criticism of the Book16:26 The Role of Language in Social Justice25:41 The Disconnect Between Symbolic Capitalists and Social Justice34:58 The Power Dynamics of Symbolic Capitalists47:07 The Wealth Transfer DilemmaMore ResourcesHow to order Musa’s book: https://musaalgharbi.com/paperback-edition-we-have-never-been-woke/A deep dive on the data behind DEI programs and how we might do them better: https://musaalgharbi.com/2020/09/16/diversity-important-related-training-terrible/A great intro article from Musa’s Substack:An essay on Musa’s point about selective Musa’s excellent postmortem on the 2024 election: A We Have Never Been Woke FAQ, including why taxing billionaires isn’t the silver bullet often claimed: More info on the next book “Those People”: This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wemadethispolitical.substack.com