How can systems thinking help us stir the waters toward gender-inclusive futures? with Jade Tang-Taylor

In this episode, I sit down with Jade Tang Taylor, systems thinker, creative strategist, and social impact leader, to explore how systems thinking can support educators in creating change toward gender inclusion.We unpack the Water of Systems Change model and reflect on the different levels where change can happen: structural, relational, and transformative. From school policies to power dynamics and mental models, we talk about how these layers interact and what makes meaningful change possible.Jade shares insights from her mahi (work) in education, design, and community leadership, including work with collectives like SASS (Systems Change Advocacy, Solidarity and Support) and frameworks like Scaling Deep. We also talk about why centring lived experience, embracing discomfort, and holding on to hope are all part of the unlearning journey.This conversation reminded me that while systems can be complex and entrenched, we educators have the power to stir the waters and to help shape gender-inclusive futures, one ripple at a time, especially when we dare to look below the surface.You can find all the mentioned sources and some helpful reflective prompts at: unlearnpod.blogspot.com