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All right. We barely remember how to record and we're here for Perhaps It's You, your favorite Unsolved Mysteries rewatch podcast. I'm Liz. I'm Samantha. And somewhere out there is BD Wong, being handsome as ever. Hello, BD Wong. Hopefully listening. Hi, BD Wong. This episode and every episode is dedicated to you. Absolutely. Does that have anything to do with anything? No. And we like it that way. Well, we did a few Patreon episodes, BD Wong. That's true. But also Unsolved Mysteries adjacent. So I feel like it is part of our brand at this point. You're absolutely right, Samantha. I'm sorry I disparaged this fine podcast.
Which is definitely very well thought out. BD Wong Thirst is within our brand. Yeah, we should make maybe like a Venn diagram of the things that are our brand. And it would definitely include BD Wong Thirst, talking about Mothman's booty. Some things you might not expect from Unsolved Mysteries. Polar water.
I definitely had French toast sticks for breakfast today, so that's on brand. We've eaten French toast sticks on the podcast before. Yeah, it's sad that we're... Look, we're in a trash garbage country known as the United States of America, so Samantha and I are still not recording together, and I don't like it. I'm sitting here in my sort of dining room that I never eat in, the podcasting room.
by myself talking to myself looking out the window by myself i'm my favorite i wish we were drinking polar floats and season six in your podcasting dining room i just saw that there was some big party in australia because they haven't had a case of coronavirus in like eight months yeah yeah i feel like that kid inside in the window just longingly sadly looking outside everyone's like playing red rover or in like every steven spielberg movie there's a scene where like the person comes home and sees like a really happy family through the window and then like doesn't go inside where they're like oh they're better off without me i'll never be part of this that's us now the rest of the world is like having a delicious christmas dinner and we're just like must be nice i'll sit here by myself But we're here. We're alive. Like the stakes are so, or not the stakes, the bar is so fucking low that it's just like, well, at least I'm alive. Like that's the accomplishment for this year.
I wish I could say that this episode of Unsolved Mysteries is going to lift our spirits. Oh, it is fucking not. It's a bummer. It bombed me out. So you got that to look forward to. All those people that were like, please, please come back. We miss your cackling. We need your shrill Midwestern voices. Who says nasal A's like Liz? No one. We need perhaps it's you. You all cried. And we were like, oh, fine. We'll come back. Well, you're going to regret that. You might. Because we do talk about some hypnosis today. Okay. First, I have a few updates. One update. I think only the Patreon.
peeps are aware of that samantha has a pet donkey now oh yeah that is an important update isn't it i have a pet donkey random did you expect that i bet you didn't that is also part of the perhaps it's you brand our new mascot alfie the donkey yeah he's a mini donkey and i adopted him and i tell the whole story on our patreon i think it was at the riverdale episode yes so you're gonna have to cut up a dollar if you want to hear all that we can't get back into all of it but there is a donkey now there's a donkey some instagram stories i think you could check out if you want to yeah that's true he gets his own um highlight alfie the donkey so you can check out you can check out cute pics and vids of your favorite podcast mascot all other podcasts fucking quaking in their boots because they know they're never getting a donkey because they record in like los angeles or some shit good luck getting a donkey there for once in my life people want my ass pics yeah i mean i think people always did but they were afraid to ask but now But now they can ask for Alfie pics. It's a little more wholesome than just your bare booty. Yeah, the cutest. So go check them out. And yeah, pay a dollar and I'll tell you why I have a donkey. Yeah, you can hear me fangirl about Riverdale and also learn about Samantha's donkey. That's the sort of great content we provide people that steal a dollar from fountains. This has got to be the most random podcast of all time.
It's just very driven by our personalities more than the content of Unsolved Mysteries. And the people who like it, they like that. And the people who don't like it, I don't know. They can go fall off a cliff. Don't really care. We've stopped listening a long time ago. Yeah, they're really done. They called us ignorant and delusional. And they moved on with their lives, I assume. Okay, next update is that the zine is done and available. I believe last time we recorded, it was pre-order. No, it's ready, bitch. You can get your hands on it right now. It's $15, free shipping in the US.
Quality content there. We've sent out a bunch of them. People seem super happy. If you want to do a Perhaps It's You crossword or make a Perhaps It's You cocktail, you're going to need a zine. It has an illustration of me and Samantha looking at...
uh, capybara. Oh my God. Now I can't remember his name. Matthew McConaughey. Matthew McConaughey. Thank you. Oh, there was just a blank hole in my brain where the word Matthew McConaughey should be. I did. I did. I always want to say BD Wong. And I was like, there's other actors. Yes. And one of them is named Matthew McConaughey. And if you want an illustration of me and Samantha with giant heart eyes, looking at Matthew McConaughey, holding a capybara, I think there's only one place to get that. And that's our scene. I don't think there's only one place to get that. And that is the full color centerfold. So you can take that up. You could hang that on the wall of your prison cell and just admire it.
Because I assume that's covering the hole that you're digging. Shawshank style. That illustration is by Studio Crafty. Thank you, Studio Crafty. It's quite a masterpiece. I've called the Louvre several times, but they haven't called me back. I don't know why. I'm trying to get that in there. Okay, that was one update. Next update is that to celebrate the start of season six, we have new merch. And you're going, yeah, whatever, Liz. That includes black t-shirts. So it's pretty important. You can get your black t-shirts, sweatshirts, et cetera now.
And they have a new illustration by one Brian Duffy, aka Duff, of me, Samantha, and our previous mascot, Robbie Stackey. He's been replaced by a small donkey. Yeah, I mean, in the future, we might have to get an illustration with a donkey in the middle. But right now, it's an inflatable alien. So if you want that, any of that's good stuff, or the zine, go to our website, perhapsityou.com, look under merch, and you'll find all those lovely things. How to order all that crap. Are there any bracelets left? I think there might be, like, three.
So if you want a beaded... Oh, yeah. Something on the break that I did for some reason. Look, I don't remember all of my motivations. Was to sell beaded bracelets that fit under the Perhaps It's You Band. And most of them have sold. But I believe I have... Oh, there was no love for Robbie Stacky. That bracelet at the time of this recording is still available. Right. Take a look at our Instagram. See if anything is left. Those are a whole whopping $12. So... Someone out there now has a bracelet that just says amnesia. And... And who wouldn't want that? Questions about that. But I love it.
Everybody was like, oh, I want the Marson bracelet. I definitely want the Marson bracelet. And then that did not go that fast. So y'all lied to me. I'm on to you now. You don't actually want to be walking around with a bracelet that says Marson on it.
So I don't, if you follow my Instagram, which you probably don't, it's everybody likes Liz, but you may have seen that over as a quarantine craft, I've been making beaded bracelets. I made Samantha one that says Gordon Ramsey, for example, just to see how to pass the time. I actually thought I would never wear them and I wear them all the time. I wear mine all the time too. Yeah. I mean, they're just, you know, whatever. They're fun. They're comfortable. I switch them out. Yes. Yes. I made you several celebrity crush bracelets. So you have BD Wong, obviously you have Mob Man and you have Gordon Ramsey. My Orville Peck bracelet broke. So I have to make another one because now I just have a.
bracelet that says spit in my mouth. So that doesn't work. You need the matching. I need the... Who? Who is this directed to, Liz? I'm not just walking around with a spit in my mouth bracelet. That's disgusting. It's COVID out there. Was there any other... Oh, oh, oh. Okay. So, one last update. Unless you have any updates. Before we get into the...
probably there was more stuff i still talked about who knows merch give us money whatever uh oh our patreon episodes when we began we did riverdale and then we did two episodes of the unsolved mysteries reboot i don't remember if that had started whatever there's new reboot episodes on netflix now you can go watch them people people are less excited about them than the last batch we're still covering them in our patreon series though we've done the first two so if you want you know if you're gonna cough up a dollar to hear the donkey story you can also get our unsolved mysteries content and we've done the first two episodes of the next six. We've done episodes seven and eight, I guess. The Washington Insider one and the Murder in Oslo one, whatever that one's called. Exactly. I think it's called The Death in Oslo or Murder in Oslo or something. We've done those. Actually, I really like the Washington Insider one. I think there's a lot to talk about with that one. Yeah, that one was good.
give us a dollar or not whatever we don't really care um but on our last episode we did listener stories we also included um some celebrity ghost stories but someone's listener story reminded me of a ghost story from morrissey's autobiography but i couldn't quite remember the details and i said i would get back to everyone about it okay so i looked it up this is actually coming from the manchester evening news but it's an excerpt from his autobiography which is literally called autobiography and he reported that he was driving by the moore with his friends in 1989 this is by the saddleworth moore which is described in the book as a most barren, desolate, desperate place. When he and his friends saw a frightened man run out of the moor, pleading for their car to stop. It was a boy, maybe 18 years. He was totally gray. He had long hair and sort of a 70s style. He wore a small Anaronic and nothing else. No pants? No, he's nude, just wearing a little hooded raincoat. Could have been that tour guide.
Yes. Yes. Okay. So this is what it says. He just emerged from the heather and pleaded to the lights. And we drove past because we all instinctively knew that this was a spirit. And because it had a history of being a place where so many bodies have been dumped and buried. It's not the kind of place you hang around. We went to the phone box in the nearest village and called the police. And the police apparently said, keep an open mind, which is hilarious. Okay. Because I feel like they got, you know, a few of these calls. So the Saddleworth Moor is also one of the moors from the Moor murders. Oh. Yeah. So that's the...
Ian Brady and Meyer Hindley murders that took place in Manchester where they were abducting children, murdering them and burying them in the moor, which would have happened during Morrissey's childhood. So I'm not super surprised that he didn't want to stop by the moor. But the reason this is interesting is because, so this book came out, I don't know, maybe seven, eight years ago, something like that. And a couple of years after that, I went to Manchester and I took a Smith's tour where they take you around and show you like places from the songs and whatever. So I went and I took this tour from the drummer Craig Gill.
And he told me that him and his friends used to prank people by pretending to be goats by the moor. And he thought that this was hilarious and that maybe that is actually what's being referenced in the book. Now, were any of them nude except wearing a raincoat? I don't know. And I can't check because sadly, like a couple of years after that, Craig Gale took his own life. So we'll never know. And that's a real bummer because that tour was like one of the best days of my life. He seemed like a really stand up dude. I'm sorry, Craig. And I hope that he's not hunting the moor now. I hope he's resting peacefully.
So that is my update on that. And also nobody needs to tell me that Morrissey is a bad person. I'm fully aware. Thank you. Thank you. Don't ask. Yeah. God damn. No one is sadder about it than me, please. Okay. So now I think with that, that was a bummer. This episode is a bummer. That story is a bummer. Now I'm sad about Craig.
Well, the idea of him running around pants list, being like, woo, while his friends hide in a bush and laugh. It's pretty funny. Yeah, it is pretty funny. It's pretty funny that they call the police and the police say, keep an open mind. Because it's like, they're saying, that's not a person, that's a ghost.
Okay. Interesting. So we're going to get into season six now. This is the first episode of season six. I kind of came up with season six. I know. Didn't we just start this thing? What happened? Seems like it. Didn't we just start this on a whim and then it didn't stop for some reason? Well, here we are. Season six, episode one. We've got new credits now. New graphics. All the categories shine out of a bright light like they're brought to you by God. They kind of swoosh off screen. This is like an effect from Windows Movie Maker or something. Yeah. I'm sure they paid so much to do that and now you can do it on your phone with a free app.
The first mystery we're going to be talking about is in the unexplained category where Robert Stack is in the woods and there's crickets chirping and he asks, what are you afraid of? And you go, I don't know, Stack. What's about to happen? He's like, is it heights? He's like trying to guess what you're afraid of and tells us that many of us harbor a secret irrational fear and that is known as a phobia.
We then meet Bruce Kelly from Glendale, California, who had several phobias. He went to college on a full baseball scholarship, I'll have you know. He got married, he got divorced, he was a single parent raising his daughter, but he felt that his phobias were holding him back. And these included flying, enclosed spaces, and water. And his fear of water was so bad that he avoided pools and didn't even like to sit in the bathtub. Okay, but can we talk about how Robert Stack described his fear of water, which was to say he had a fear of water that was just plain bothersome.
I forgot about that. I mean, it was. It was just plain bothersome because he didn't like the sensation of water rising up around him in the bathroom, which is a pretty severe fear of water. So out of desperation, he finally sought help from hypnotherapist Rick Brown, who specializes in past life aggression. Though Rick Brown tells us that only 1% of people who see him end up spontaneously regressing to a past life, as Bruce did. Rick Brown is a very hard man to take seriously.
I don't know if this will mean anything to people, but he looks like the psychiatrist character from The Simpsons, Dr. Marvin Monroe. His beard is coming out all around his face like a lion mane, but not really on the chin. I don't know what you call that look. I don't like it. I know that.
So, yeah, so he starts seeing this guy and he immediately remembers being on a submarine drowning and that his name was James Edward Johnson. He recalls a lot of very specific information, Samantha, including that the sub was the USS Shark, which sounds like something I just made up, but apparently it was the real name of the submarine, that it was sinking near Borneo. He also knew the name of another man on the sub that was dying, Walter Pilgrim. Apparently they both died at 1134 p.m. February 11, 1942. There were no survivors on the sub.
He describes these memories as feeling very fresh to him. Like he's not, you know. digging through the clouds of his mind. Under hypnosis. Came back very, very clear. So he went to the library and he says that he was doing it almost to prove that it didn't happen. But guess what? He proved that it did. He learned that 53 American subs were lost during World War II and the first one that sank was the USS Shark. Oh, damn. Can you believe it? The easiest one to look up. His memories were accurate. There was a James E. Johnson on the Q roster. The date was the same and Walter Pilgrim was also listed. Wow, this information was readily available in a book. Yeah.
It seems like the first book. Like if you're like, I'd like to know some like very specific details about submarines during World War II. Like this is the book the librarian would hand you. You would open it to the first page of any information and it would be like, here's the crew roster for the USS Shark. Anyway, over the next six months, he saw The Hypnotist once a week.
To recover more memories. That sounds like kind of a lot of cash money to me. I don't know what this is costing, but once a week for six months. Okay. He then recovers more memories, such as his mother's death. He also recalls the very bizarro fact that he always ate the end pieces off bread, which I literally wrote down WTF. Okay. Do you like those end pieces of bread? No. Those heels of bread? No, no one likes them. They're gross. Do you call it the butt? We always called it the butt of the bread growing up. Oh, no, we called it the heel. I mean, that's the proper term.
I mean, on like an actual, you know, like home-baked piece of bread, that's fine. But on like a grocery store bread, that's disgusting. Yeah, you're a loaf of Wonder Bread. You do not typically enjoy the butter. No, but apparently he loved them. And he also remembered his birthday. Okay, he remembered being part of a work program during the First Depression. And also that his first love was named Molly. He had asked her to run away with her. And she was like, yeah, no, and ran off. At this point in the reenactment, in this segment, did you get to the point where you were like, I get it?
Like, really, there's a moment where they're on a bridge and he's asking her to run away with him, but she's afraid of her father because she thinks her father is going to kill him because her father doesn't approve of their love. And then she runs away and he never sees her again. I'm like, OK, it's a lot. I get it. It also sounds way made up. Like, if you were asking me to make up a story about love in the past, I'd be like, I don't know, their father doesn't approve. And so she runs off and he never sees her again. Like, it's just the most cliche old time love story I've ever heard.
But of course, research proved the memories to be accurate. At this point, I just wrote down, I hate the hypnotist's beard. Now we get to the part where they film him going to James's hometown. so we see him see his like childhood home from a past life or whatever and he could remember where the bedroom was but look it's not a big house that's not really that impressive to me it's like there's a room in that house yeah bitch okay uh he also remembered that he always used the back door like he wasn't good enough to use the front door for some reason i don't know why because it's like a crappy house but well they said it was because they were poor and his mother had him out of wedlock but like do they live with someone else yeah i was like so did they all use the back door It seems like they made him use the back door because he was, like, a bastard child or something. I don't fully understand. This relative of the guy confirms it later, but I don't understand why. Like, do they live with someone else? I don't know. Why did his mom make him use the back door because she had him out of wedlock? I don't get it. It seems like a very bitchy move. I guess his mom, maybe he lived with someone else because his mom had died. They don't explain this. It makes no sense. No, no. Yeah, maybe he's no longer living with his mom by the point he has to use the back door in bastard shame. Look, I don't know. So then, in a very...
I could say it was an odd choice. They went to go meet people who had known Johnston as a boy. And I was kind of like, bold, bold. This whole segment, I've been like, how does this man's family feel about this random guy deciding to go on Unsolved Mysteries and talk about... their family his mom's death like his death right right romance like who is this guy well now we got to find out so one of the people he meets is would be johnson's cousin betty who was there when his mom died in his memory and um she does ask him about the weird bread thing so maybe that makes it true she was like do you remember anything about bread and he was like yeah i love i love the gross part of bread that you just throw away or maybe put outside and squirrels eat it and she was like he did too there's an unsolved mysteries camera in your face and she's like so do you have a memory about bread that's her question not anything else about this is this his defining characteristic that he ate a stupid part of bread or it's scripted but i'm a skeptic okay so he says he doesn't know for sure if he's johnson reincarnated or he just has a lot of access to information about him and then his cousin does confirm that he always used the back door
i don't know this also felt like this man's real life family are in front of you and they're like so do you think you're the reincarnation of our cousin and he's like you know i'm not sure i do get this question a lot um you know i just feel like i have this connection and for some reason i have all this information like okay okay guys This is just real awkward. It's very awkward, but also you can see that these old people are kind of hopeful that he is the reincarnation of their cousin because, look, they're going to die soon, and they want to come back as somebody else. Well, they don't have to know how he died. They know that he died with the sub, I think. I don't think they know that. Yeah, they know he was on that sub. They know the sub went down. I don't know that they know the particulars beyond that, but in a way, what else is there to know?
they were acting like that was a big mystery and i was like it seems pretty well confirmed first sub lost in world war ii no survivors like him remembering water coming up and stuff like that i was like you could just yeah that's how you would imagine a sub going down it's not like something so weird happy you know yeah i don't know he then says he's not afraid of death as most people and he believes that death is not the end And then at the very end, Robert Stack is like, there's only one way to confirm this. We need to hear from Molly, his lost love, even though she would be like 90 some years old at this point. And guess what? They never do. Confirm that she actually existed. So that's what we're trying to find her. Also, it doesn't seem like his family knew anything about that. I don't know.
It does to me really seem like this might be some implanted memories from the hypnotist, but maybe not. Maybe this guy is the reincarnated dude who loved the heels of bread. And I guess that's more believable than like everyone being like, I'm Cleopatra. Like everybody wants to be someone important. This guy picked just kind of a nobody. So there's that. That's true. I guess I somehow missed the fact that the hypnotist specializes in past life regressions. I didn't hear that. Yeah. Significance.
I'm not quite sure. Maybe that's like the only hypnotist in his town. I'm not quite sure why to work on phobias he went to a hypnotist that specializes in past life regression. Unless he already suspected that his phobias were the result of something that had happened in a past life. Maybe. Or maybe you just need a side gig if you're a hypnotist. Like how many people want a past life regression? Sure, sure. Right. He's like, well, that's not going to pay the bills. I got to do more than one thing. Which is fair. What should I get hypnotized for?
Well, I guess I would be interested to know if you had a past life. Yeah, I guess. We could find out if I was also on the submarine. No. Beyond that, I'm not sure. Wouldn't it be funny if you were on the submarine? It's like, I'll work on the USS Shark. I know all about it. Maybe you were Molly. Maybe. That's why she never got back in touch. She died and became me. That makes this podcast. I'm not feeling a lot of connection to this story, so I don't think I'm Molly. But I guess I won't know until I happen to implant those memories.
Yeah, he won't. I mean, this segment is surprisingly long. It's so long. There's lots of reenactments of like, I don't know. I'm sure they spent a lot of money to make it look like a sub was sinking, but there's not a ton to the story, really. Well, there's a whole side quest to this hometown, and it really takes a long time to get through.
and there's a super long unnecessary update about a fucking depressing okay we get an unnecessary update about the the cloud cult and the only thing that's good about it is that you see so remember that woman was like saved by that satellite repair guy well they're still together and they're like walking across a hill holding hands wearing the most like 90s outfits you ever saw and it looks like something that's a joke but young people it's not that used to we used to have this thing where we just were sincere we didn't really think about it And that's what it looked like. It's hard to imagine. It's hard to imagine. I watch a lot of music videos and sometimes I'm watching music videos from this time and I'm like, it would be very hard to convince someone younger than me that this is not a joke. That people thought this was just, I was like, oh yeah, that's cool. You should try that on Arden. I know. I know. Okay. Hi Arden.
All right. Should we get this next one over with? Yeah, this is brutal. I hate it. It's horrible. This is a wanted. This opening is pretty cool. There's the new like transition text over the Chicago skyline. It kind of swoops out. But other than that. Chicago. It's a city. Heard of it? Robert Stack's here to tell you. It's by a lake. But we're actually not talking about Chicago proper. We are talking about something that happened. Oh, you are. Nogan Square is a neighborhood in Chicago. I used to live there many moons ago and it was not nearly as expensive as it is today. Yes, it is just a neighborhood. All right. So we're talking about.
the death of 11 year old pedro santiago jr who was a fifth grader and a son of pedro senior and edith santiago he was born and raised in logan square which is a neighborhood in chicago as liz said which you said that you lived in and you actually recognize where this reenactment takes place and i hate it it made it extra sad Yeah, this is a really bummer of a segment. But as a result of living in this neighborhood in Chicago his whole life, he knew the area like the back of his hand and he felt safe there and went off and walked to friends' houses and things like that. He was popular with his peers, a good student and a talented athlete. By the age of 11, he had already earned a black belt in karate.
I mean, as an 11-year-old, that is a pretty big accomplishment. Yeah, I can't even imagine getting a black belt in karate, or any belt in karate, really. No, not at all. Good job, Pedro. On December 12, 1990, Pedro came home from school and called Ida that work to fill her in on his plans for the afternoon. He told her that he was going to go across the street to play with his friend Eric. Shortly after 3 p.m., he left his home. At the same time, two neighborhood teenagers were walking back from the corner market. These dudes have some excellent oversized, very 90s coats going on. Yes, yes. Yeah, the fashion, this one's pretty good.
That's the only good thing I can say about it. Suddenly, as he walked into the street, he was hit by a black Oldsmobile. The teenagers witnessed the incident and ran to his aid. One of the witnesses are interviewed by Unsolved Mysteries and is blacked in shadow for his safety. But he said he had never seen anything like that and at first didn't even think it was real. But one thing, he kind of snapped out of it and realized what he had just witnessed. Him and his friend immediately ran to render aid. The driver got out and started to swear and hit his car in anger. Very believable. One of the teenagers went to call an ambulance while the other stayed with Pedro. But seconds later, the driver jumped back into his car and took off.
A few minutes later, an ambulance arrived and took Pedro to the emergency room. The hospital's chaplain immediately contacted Edith and their whole family rushed to the hospital. He was unconscious and suffering from massive head injuries. His family did get a few moments to touch him and comfort him and give him a kiss, but they had to rush him to the operating room. The reenactment is brutal. Imagining this poor family getting one last moment with their unconscious son, knowing what comes next, it's really super duper sad.
So Pedro hung on for what Robert Stack calls 10 agonizing days, but he never regained consciousness. He was buried the day after Christmas. Ugh, that poor family. I know, it's awful. With his death, the hit-and-run incident escalated to a case of manslaughter. The police put out an all-points bulletin for the car's owner, who was a Cuban immigrant known on the streets as Chachimba. It's very interesting that they knew who this hit-and-run driver was, and clearly that's why they have that one teenager in shadow, is because when he gets out of the car and is, like, throwing in temper tantrum.
They're like, oh, shit, it's that guy. Yeah, he's like known in the neighborhood. Yeah. When the police failed to find this dude, Pedro Sr. decided to go on a search of his own. He went to several bars and other places in Chicago asking people if they knew Kachimba. They told him that he had left the area around Christmas. One guy said that he even came to him and asked for money because he had to get out of town. And he ended up giving him $100. And when Pedro Sr. asked why he was in such a hurry to leave, the man said, I don't know. All I know is that he was in some trouble with the police, which I'm guessing is because he hit a kid and killed him. Yeah.
He told one person that he was planning to go to New York, but he told another person that he was going to Florida. He gave this information. Pedro Sr. gave this information to the police, but despite this, he has never been found. Pedro's parents still hope that the man will be located. Police have not charged him with a crime, but they would like to question him about the incident. His real name is Gerardo Gonzalez, and he is 5'8 and weighs approximately 160 pounds, or he did at the time. He may be living in New York, Florida, Michigan, or Illinois. Not super helpful. I feel like he could also be out of the country, but there is no update, so we have no idea. I hate it! If there's...
If there's any plus side to this, just be happy that we didn't watch the original episode because the original episode aired alongside what Unsolved Mysteries Wiki calls a roll call of hit and run cases. This episode aired with three other hit and run cases as well. So thank you to whoever edited this for streaming. For only including one of the hit and run cases, I guess. That sounds... You're gonna cry. This is terrible. Obviously this guy was connected. He was well known. Yeah, he left, possibly left the country. I mean...
Pedro it's super sad and it's not even like you got a nice walk down memory lane because you know I got a bad walk down memory lane and look jaywalking is a way of life and I will not stop And please don't hit pedestrians. I got the impression that this guy was going way too fast. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure. It's a residential neighborhood. There's no reason to be like zipping around and running over children. That's just rude.
so sad extremely and he just had to die the day after christmas i don't know that's just yeah yeah so for the rest of the family's life they get to associate christmas with their son with their dead son that's great happy holiday now we got a lost love which also involves children so hey hey hey okay Yeah, it is. So we're in Woodward, Oklahoma. This goes all the way back to April 9th, 1947. So at this time, there was actually a telephone operator strike, which cut this town off from the rest of the world. And they were unaware of a very serious incoming tornado, which ended up pretty much decimating the town. It injured 100 people. It killed 100 people. And from the footage we see, it destroyed a lot of homes and businesses. It was clearly like a really serious storm.
So this is the story of Joan Gaycroft, who was only four years old at the time. She went missing after the storm and has not been seen since. So she grew up in one of the town's most prominent families. We see a reenactment of them all having dinner in this like super nice she-she house. Her father was apparently a successful sheep rancher. Who knew there was so much money in that?
Joan is remembered as being a bashful mama's girl. She would like hide in her mom's skirt when other people came over and stuff like that. I mean, how many memories can you really have of someone that was four? So sad. Do we hear from a bunch of witnesses about how bad the storm was? It apparently lasted from like four to five minutes and it seemed like forever and people were just like stuck in their house watching their whole town get ruined.
This then goes to a reenactment of the town hospital, which is surrounded by all these people who are either like injured or dead or dying. So it's just a hospital. And then the lawn out front is like all these people moaning or stepping over dead bodies. Unfortunately, Joan Gaye's mother died in the storm. So she was at, so her aunt goes to look for her and she's in the hospital basement with her sister, but has a piece of wood that has been driven into her leg. So this is their Aunt Ruthie.
So she goes and finds the girls. They're going to be OK. They're in the hospital basement. But her mother actually got pretty seriously injured and had to be taken to a larger hospital. So she goes away with her mom to get her settled into the hospital and then gets, I think, kind of roped into taking care of other patients because things are so chaotic. So she doesn't get back.
Yeah, so she doesn't get back to the local hospital until the next morning, and by the time she gets back, Joan is gone. Her sister is still there and says that some men she didn't know came and took her. They said they were taking her to a hospital in Oklahoma City, but no hospital in the area had any record of her. The witnesses there said that the men specifically asked for the Croft children, but then only took one of them. Unfortunately, there's very few pictures of Joan that survived the storm. They're all kind of grainy. She was only four, so who knows how good her memory would be of her life, you know.
before this abduction so one of the clues would be that she would probably have a scar on her leg from where it was impacted by this wood but That's it. She was never found. Unsolved Mysteries Wiki tells us that several people watch this broadcast and thought that they might be Joan, but then that was actually ruled out by DNA, comparing it to their family. I wish I could remember the specific case, but I know there was a missing child case in an earlier season of Unsolved Mysteries where they thought perhaps, but it ended up not being. But I remember there was a connection to this segment. Yes, you are correct. So let me take a look here at Unsolved Mysteries Wiki that we could not live without.
So all this, I do remember there was a specific case that they tied into it. It's not actually listed here. It just says that after the broadcast, several women came forward believing they may be Joan Gay. However, DNA testing with their biological relatives has shown otherwise. Recently, her cousin Marvella resubmitted her DNA and hopes, in fact, finding a match in the CODIS system. Which, how great a name is Marvella? I know, that's beautiful. That's a great name. So it doesn't look like Joan Gay was ever found. People in the segment, including her Aunt Ruth, have since passed away.
It's strange. You wonder what's going on here. Did someone take advantage of the chaos following this event to abduct a little girl? Like, what is going on? Like, it's so almost random. Yeah, so the speculation was that perhaps she was one for ransom since she was from a wealthy family. However, there's never a ransom call. So that seems to sort of rule that out. It's possible that she was kidnapped for some sort of child-selling ring, like we've seen with Georgia Tan and Ethel Nation, but...
we don't have any evidence of that it seems strange that they wanted this particular child they asked for her by name so it's right which is why the people at the hospital like all this chaos is going on these men come in they seem to know what they're talking about they didn't think of anything of it until her aunt came back and was like what the hell are you talking about yeah where's this kid and they're like oh weren't you aware she was being taken to this hospital like no it's sad Yeah, very. And I don't know. If you're freaked out by tornadoes, I guess this will be freaky. I am a little freaked out by tornadoes. It's not like I have a phobia where I need to be hypnotized, but my one and only recurring dream is I always have dreams about tornadoes. Really? They're always different. It's always slightly different, but it always features a tornado.
I mean, if you've never, if you don't live in an area with tornadoes, maybe you're not, they are eerie. The sky turns a weird color. You can kind of tell that something bad is coming in a way that you wouldn't think would be like natural. Yeah, it gets very quiet. Yeah, yeah. You don't associate stillness with a tornado, but everything gets super still and silent. And then, yeah, the sky is like green.
Yeah, it is very bizarre if you think about it, which I don't really because it's just like a fact of life. But then when I was leaving New Mexico to move back to the Midwest, everybody was like, what about tornadoes? Aren't you worried about tornadoes? And I was like, not really. I mean, don't really think about them. But yeah, but if you're if that's not part of your life, it's like that seems terrible. Like, yeah, that's true. Yeah. And I guess it's pretty bizarre. We have like we don't have to deal with hurricanes. Right. Right. Wildfires. So in comparison, a tornado seems like so benign to me. But yeah, if you haven't been through one, I mean, it's scary and I have.
sort of been through them i haven't like seen a tornado but there was there was that tornado coming through your house earlier this year where you were making cookies really close you were making cookies i was playing animal crossing going do i really have to go in my basement please say no i did end up going in the basement and then of course my husband is like in the backyard watching it and he said he saw some rotation it was pretty freaky and it did the same storm did produce a tornado um to the east of us but we got we got like that was the closest i ever came uh but yeah i did get my cookies though so That's the important part. Well, yeah. I mean, what am I going to do about a tornado? I might as well finish the cookies. This year has really shown us what our priorities are, I think. And cookies, top of the list. Absolutely. Believe it or not, that is the end of the episode. That's it. There's not like a ton to talk about in this one. It's just kind of a bummer plus hypnosis, which I guess is how you could sum up Unsolved Mysteries. Did you watch the preview for the next episode though? Because I think we have a paranormal like alien one. Yes, we do. So stay tuned for a special possible abduction of a whole plane. I'm not really sure. Something involves aircraft.
Okay, so something we do on this podcast, as you may or not be aware, is we rate the episode out of five Robert Stacks. So what is our first category to rate? Our first category is mysteriousness. I guess it's kind of mysterious because we don't know what happened to Joan Grey. I guess we know who killed Pedro, but where the hell did that motherfucker go? And did he ever get his Cun Muppets? And I don't know that the Sympnosis one is that mysterious, but Unsolved Mysteries Wiki does list it as unsolved. In that case, I guess I would give it a thumbs up for mysterious. I would give it a thumbs up, yeah. Okay, next category. Reenactments.
Actually, decent. The submarine ones were good. There was some production value that went into that. Yeah, yeah. The, like, hospital surrounded by people moaning was pretty good. I don't know. The Pedro ones were sad. I mean, fine. Yeah, I'll give it a. Yeah, sure. I'll give it a reluctant thumbs up. Fashion is our next category. I think, like, pretty good. I'm giving that a thumbs up. We get some, like, 40s fashion a couple of times. We get some very 90s fashion.
Yeah, you mentioned those really oversized coats. Even that unnecessary update has got some of the best fashion we've seen. So thumbs up. Thumbs up. And then Robert Stack. I feel like he broke out some new lines in this. Yeah, he was waxing extra poetic. We don't see a ton of him, but I feel like the voiceovers are extra good. Yeah, so I liked it. I liked Robert Stack. Thumbs up. Thumbs up. How would you rate this? On a Robert Stack scale. Five Robert Stacks being the ultimate best. You can't do any better. One Robert Stack being I wish I was dead instead of watching this episode. I gotta go with like a two and a half.
Yeah, I was going to say three, but that's kind of even generous. It's just sad. We only get three mysteries, and they could have easily put in another mystery if they would have just not done that, basically replayed the whole segment to that cult guy. And I hate that segment, so we got to see that again. So, yeah, I'm feeling like a two and a half. I think it's fair, because...
I mean, I'm glad we didn't get a whole reel of various hidden runs. Do you remember when they used to sell, oh, this is really going to date me. They used to sell VHS tapes of bloopers, like sports bloopers. I do remember that. Or like TVs, TV's most outrageous bloopers. The idea of having YouTube, so you couldn't find videos of people falling down just anywhere. If you wanted to see someone accidentally swear on a game show, you had to buy a fucking VHS that was being sold on late night TV. But the idea of having like three back-to-back hidden runs just was like.
We've got them all here, folks. Only $24.95 plus shipping and handling. All the best hit and run footage. Like, it's just gross. No, no thanks. No. I do feel like this episode could have gotten a three if it was, like, later in the season. But Unsolved Mysteries opens season six with a dead kid. Possibly two dead kids. A dead kid and a missing kid. And a way too long hypnosis. Poor family. So they lose at least the mom. They might have lost other people. So, like, one person's dead. One person's missing. There's a scene I didn't talk about where there's a dead kid.
kid at the funeral home that hadn't been identified so they assumed it was her and then they brought the clothes and the guy at the funeral home was like these clothes are too big this is clearly not the child you're looking for but like how fucking heart-wrenching was that and then they just like never find her uh yeah i don't think this is a great way to start off season six it did not make me enthusiastic to start recording again It's not Clown Alley. No. Oh, I wish. I wish. Oh, that gives me such a good idea for a Patreon reward, though. Who wants some Clown Alley stationery? You can write to your loved ones from Clown Alley. You know you want them. I think we need some Clown Stationery. Ew. Ew. Don't clown anything. Yeah, you'd have to keep it in your house. Let's teespring and dropship some Clown Stationery. I mean, I can keep it in a drawer. It's fine. And also, no trying to convince me that the Clown Motel is a fun place.
fuck that no a few people who really love the clown motel and y'all i'm happy for you you know you like i'm not gonna you know whatever but i can't relate i can't relate we're not here to kink shame or whatever the non-sexual version of that is which is liking the clown motel but no strong strong pass from me yeah whatever makes you happy in these dark times but my invitation if you are inviting me to the clown motel i am declining forever it's a permanent no absolutely not i cherish my life and my eyeballs I don't want to see that. You know how like 90s horror movies were always like, some things you see, you can't unsee. That's how I feel about The Clown Motel. Once my eyeballs take in that information, that's never leaving my brain. So, no. Which also reminds me that at some point for Patreon, we are doing my favorite movie to hate watch, 8mm. Oh, that's going to be so fun. See, we watch these things and I really want to watch it together.
I know. But we can't because of fucking Corona. The plague is very inconvenient. And I feel like when we learned about plagues in school, it was all like death and rats and whatever. People didn't mention it was just a nuisance.
Super inconvenient for everyone. Really true. All right. I think that brings us towards the end of our show. It's now recommendation time. Hell yeah. What are you going to recommend? I'm going to recommend some more Shirley Jackson content for everyone. Okay. As you recall, we previously had recommended the book, Haunting of Hill House. I did watch the show, which everybody told me to watch. And it was pretty good. I did enjoy it. It's very spooky. There's a lot of like family drama.
Okay, whatever. I feel like the haunted house aspects, yes, I'm totally on board with. And yes, since this is a Baraska fan podcast, the woman that wrote Baraska writes for that show. And there's a certain twist on there that I guarantee she is responsible for, and it's very, very good. And I was like, aha, I know that. That just has her all over it. So that was enjoyable. But my recommendation is actually the movie We Have Always Lived in the Castle, which is based on a Shirley Jackson book I haven't read. I'll leave that right now. It came out on Netflix a couple years ago, and I just finally got around to watching it, and I really enjoyed it.
So that is my recommendation. It is about a sort of eccentric family living in a big house that's hated by the town. And you slowly find out why and what's going on there. Also, Chris McGlover is in it, which is always a pleasant surprise. That house is beautiful. I would never leave that house either. That kitchen, I want it for myself. The paint colors in the house, just lovely. So good. But yeah, it's kind of, it's the tiniest bit funny, but it's very well acted and well done. I really enjoyed it. So that is something to make you.
I don't know, thankful you paid Netflix this month, if you want to watch that. Well, and your Netflix bill's going up, so. Yeah, yeah. Though there's different tiers. I only, like, just noticed this, that you can get, like, crappy Netflix for, like, $9, and then... It depends, like, how many people you want to be able to watch at one time. They figured out that everybody's sharing their codes, right? So you can get, like, one stream at a time, not high def, for, like, $9. So that may be of interest to you. But, yeah, it is going up, like, $1, I think. And then there's, like, some premium plan where you can stream it on a bunch of things at the same time for, like...
$17, something ridiculous. Hang on a second. That's Samantha's dogs outraged by the Netflix price increase. I'm not even sure there's anyone at the door. I just think they're barking at nothing. Hey, can you talk? They're barking at high prices, Samantha. They said, this is a pandemic. It's not the time to raise the price of Netflix. We all need you. This should be a public utility, they say. And I agree with them. I'm not going to say too much about the movie because I think you do need to be surprised. So if you're in for something kind of moody with like good sets, good acting, a little bit creepy, not like gory though, we've always lived in the castle. Nice. Solid recommendation. What are you going to recommend? I'm going to recommend a podcast that I listened to over our break.
that I really, really liked. I'm enamored with this podcast, I have to say. I'm going to read you the description of it because I feel like I'm not going to be able to accurately describe it because it's kind of bizarre. So I'm recommending The Renner Files. Okay. And this is the description of this podcast. The Renner Files is a new kind of true crime podcast, one that is not about true crime at all. Instead, it's about Jeremy Renner's ill-fated app. Jeremy Renner, the actor who might know about the podcast. Oh, right. Yeah, yes. From the Marvel Universe. Why did Oscar-nominated actor Jeremy Renner ever have an app?
What did it do? Who made it? Who used it? And why did it shake the internet to its core? Host Caroline Goldfarb and Sarah Ramos set out to investigate the mystery of the app, but got so much more in return. The Renner Files tells a larger story, one about the dangerous side of celebrity fandom, the ethics of audience exploitation, the celebrity influencer complex, and the destructive power of...
ironic internet comedy. This podcast is fucking hilarious. I will say it took me a minute to kind of get used to the narration because the hosts, they clearly have it scripted out and they're reading off of a script and they have a very specific delivery that might not be for everyone. And it wasn't for me at first, but as I listened to a couple episodes, I really fell in love with it because they're so funny. Very rarely do I laugh out loud listening to podcasts, even comedy podcasts. This one is hilarious. And they go...
through like this whole, like into this whole world that I never even knew existed of these like celebrity vanity app projects. They talk about the app that Kim Kardashian had. I remember that one. Yeah, that one was really successful. Yeah. But there's all, it's so funny. And also if you would enjoy two hilarious women just like mercilessly dunking on Jeremy Renner, who is like this very generic, just ridiculous man. It's so good. It's so good. At one point.
he was in like jeep commercials singing it's so weird and so funny and all of the episodes are out now i think there's six episodes total so you can binge the whole thing i really enjoyed it i can't recommend it enough um so funny and so what would it be perhaps it's app you app dude perhaps it's app is it would be called I feel like there would be a photo filter that would add Robbie Stackey to all your photos. Oh, yeah. And like some glitter and like hearts and stuff. Yeah, it would give you heart eyes. Or maybe it would add Beanie Wong to like photobomb your photos. It would be like an inspirational quote generator. We've talked about that in the podcast. Yeah, that would be good. If it says it's by Osho and it's like the salmonella is pure of the salmonella.
Yes. Inspirational quote generator. That would be great. I feel like. What else? I feel like you can do just about anything. Did you know Tom? I think it's Tom Hanks has like a typewriter app that you can just like hear the sound of a typewriter. What? Because he just like loves typewriters. It's so weird. And of course, all of these apps get you to pay money, right? Like that's what is behind them. They're like just trying to like exploit you for like, yeah, your level. I mean, it would connect you to all your social media stuff, but it would also allow you to order cheesies in the United States and polar water. Polar water, the better where you live. Yes.
I don't know. There'd be a button that's just me swearing that you could push. I feel like this would be a pretty good app, actually. Probably better than the runner app. 100% better than the runner app. There could be a thing where Samantha recommends books to you. Yeah. A daily book recommendation? Yeah. Yeah. I'm into this now. Sounds cool. Not useless and exploitative. It'd be like the zine, but, you know, an app. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Okay. That sounds hilarious. I am intrigued. And I think we all need some more podcast recommendations right now because...
I don't know. If you're in a place with winter, it's going to be real long. Okay. Really, I'm just going to sit around finding out if we ever get another fucking season of Nebraska. Am I saying that because I'm staring at my stupid Baraska poster right now as I'm recording this? Yes. But goddamn, I want that to happen. I read like three. So she. So, okay. Baraska was written by a person named Rebecca Klingel who goes by the pen name CK Walker. And she had three collections of short stories and one of them had Baraska in them. So over the break, I think I read all three of those.
And I don't know that I like full out recommend it, but look, it's just been on my mind. If you want to read a ton of stories where a child finds something horrifying and then only as an adult realizes what that actually means, those are the stories for you. I'm not sure what happened to this person. I'm slightly concerned. They're all like either, yeah, like a child finds something and it's like, and then as an adult, I realized that actually that was my dead so-and-so. Or it's like child does something and then, yeah, as an adult, it's like, oh, that's what that really means. I don't know.
A lot of trauma. A lot of trauma. I can hear your dog whimpering. Your dog saying, please end this podcast. For some reason, they think it's dinner time. It's because it gets dark so early. How much daylight are we trying to save? Haven't we saved enough? It'll be like...
6 and i'll be like well surely it's midnight and no liz you haven't even had dinner it's 6 p.m and the sun also sets super fast i realize it's always been this way my whole life but still i swear it'll be like 350 i'll blink and it'll be completely dark yeah so your dogs are like it's dinner time because they don't they don't understand daylight savings any more than we do that's true yeah they can't tell all right all right let's wrap this up so we are still on the social medias twitter instagram We have a Facebook group. We have several Facebook groups. We have three Facebook groups now, y'all. That's how powerful. Yeah, we've got a book recommendations Facebook group. We've got an Animal Crossing Facebook group. We've got a normal one. That's how powerful this podcast is. It's a media behemoth.
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