EPISODE · Jun 1, 2026 · 1H 12M
The Great Kegel Debate (Part 3): With Michelle Lyons
from Pelvic PT Rising · host Nicole Cozean, PT, DPT, WCS & Jesse Cozean
Should we be anti-Kegel? Has the pendulum swung too far?We brought on the one and only Michelle Lyons to continue the conversation. It deserved a Part 3, and there's no one else we'd rather deep dive into the topic with than Michelle. We cover:Why Kegels and pelvic floor muscle training are NOT the same thing The history of Dr. Kegel (and why we may have misunderstood him) Why pelvic floor rehab is far more sophisticated than "squeeze and lift" The role of strength, timing, coordination, endurance, and movement Why social media has made this debate more confusing How to become a more evidence-informed clinician If you've followed Parts 1 and 2 of the Great Kegel Debate, this episode brings everything together with one of the sharpest minds in pelvic health.Michelle LyonsMichelle Lyons is an internationally recognized pelvic health physiotherapist, educator, author, and speaker. She has taught clinicians around the world on pelvic health, hormones, oncology, GI dysfunction, and women's health rehabilitation.Learn more: 🌐 https://celebratemuliebrity.comFollow Michelle: 📸 https://www.instagram.com/michellelyons_muliebrityDowntraining MasterclassWant to better understand the role of pelvic floor relaxation, coordination, and function?Check out Nicole's Downtraining Masterclass: 👉 www.pelvicptrising.com/downtrainingAt just $47, it's one of the most practical and immediately applicable trainings we offer.About Nicole & Jesse CozeanPelvic health is hard. We want everyone in this field to have a joyful, impactful career. And for business owners to build something that truly works for them.🎙️ Rising Podcast – Leading pelvic health podcast with 1M+ downloads 👤 Founder – PelvicSanity clinic in Southern California 🎙️ Co-creator – PelviCon, the first-ever pelvic rehab conference 📚 Author – The IC Solution, helping 20,000+ patients worldwide 🎓 Clinical Educator – Trained 3,000+ pelvic PTs & OTs globally 💼 Business Coach – Guided 900+ pelvic rehab businesses to grow, thrive and enjoy their businessGet in Touch!Learn more at www.pelvicptrising.com, follow Nicole @nicolecozeandpt (www.instagram.com/nicolecozeandpt) or reach out via email ([email protected]).Check out our Clinical Courses, Business Resources and learn more about us at Pelvic PT Rising...Let's Continue to Rise!
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Should we be anti-Kegel? Has the pendulum swung too far? We brought on the one and only Michelle Lyons to continue the conversation. It deserved a Part 3, and there's no one else we'd rather deep dive into the topic with than Michelle. We cover: Why Kegels and pelvic floor muscle training are NOT the same thing The history of Dr. Kegel (and why we may have misunderstood him) Why pelvic floor rehab is far more sophisticated than "squeeze and lift" &...
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