EPISODE · Mar 12, 2026 · 58 MIN
The Problem with DeFi Integrations
from Indexed Podcast · host Indexed Podcast
Today we’re joined by Andrew Hong, Co-Founder of Herd, Advisor at Archetype, and former Headmaster at Dune.In this episode, we discuss:Leaving Dune to start HerdComposability in the age of AI agentsWhy crypto due diligence doesn’t scaleMorpho vault complexity & operational riskAI agents for contract researchTwo-sided marketplace: protocols & institutionsHooks, adapters, and modular vault designWallet policies & multisig risk managementInstitutional DeFi integrations (Coinbase, BlackRock)Agent-to-agent payments: hype vs realityWhy crypto needs “boring” infraAI replacing crypto analysts?And much more—enjoy!—Timestamps:(00:00) Introduction(01:08) Leaving Dune, starting Herd(03:16) Agent research inbox vision(05:14) Institutional crypto adoption challenges(08:16) From aggregation to operations(10:21) Protocols vs institutions marketplace(14:11) Mapping contracts & transactions(21:48) One-shot integrations with AI(24:32) Vault adapters & hidden permissions(30:49) Security vs operational risk(34:30) Uniswap hooks & modular design(41:07) Agent payments skepticism(53:12) AI replacing analysts?(57:50) Outro—Content links:https://bit.ly/4sgi1uThttps://bit.ly/4b8wt28https://bit.ly/4rqEWlQ—NEW: Join the Indexed Pod group chat:https://t.me/+Jmox7c6mB8AzOWU0And our new website is live: https://indexedpod.comFollow the guest:https://x.com/andrewhong5297https://x.com/herd_ecoFollow the co-hosts:https://x.com/hildobbyhttps://x.com/0xBoxerhttps://x.com/sui414Follow the Indexed Podcast:https://x.com/indexed_pod—The Indexed Podcast discusses hot topics, trendy metrics and chart crimes in the crypto industry, with a new episode every 1st and 3rd Thursday of the month, brought to you by wizards @hildobby @0xBoxer @sui414.Subscribe/follow the show and leave a comment to help us grow the show!—DISCLAIMER: All information presented here should not be relied upon as legal, financial, investment, tax or even life advice. The views expressed in the podcast are not representative of hosts' employers views. We are acting independently of our respective professional roles.
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Today we’re joined by Andrew Hong, Co-Founder of Herd, Advisor at Archetype, and former Headmaster at Dune.In this episode, we discuss:Leaving Dune to start HerdComposability in the age of AI agentsWhy crypto due diligence doesn’t scaleMorpho vault complexity & operational riskAI agents for contract researchTwo-sided marketplace: protocols & institutionsHooks, adapters, and modular vault designWallet policies & multisig risk managementInstitutional DeFi integrations (Coinbase, BlackRock)Agent-to-agent payments: hype vs realityWhy crypto needs “boring” infraAI replacing crypto analysts?And much more—enjoy!—Timestamps:(00:00) Introduction(01:08) Leaving Dune, starting Herd(03:16) Agent research inbox vision(05:14) Institutional crypto adoption challenges(08:16) From aggregation to operations(10:21) Protocols vs institutions marketplace(14:11) Mapping contracts & transactions(21:48) One-shot integrations with AI(24:32) Vault adapters & hidden permissions(30:49) Security vs operational risk(34:30) Uniswap hooks & modular design(41:07) Agent payments skepticism(53:12) AI replacing analysts?(57:50) Outro—Content links:https://bit.ly/4sgi1uThttps://bit.ly/4b8wt28https://bit.ly/4rqEWlQ—NEW: Join the Indexed Pod group chat:https://t.me/+Jmox7c6mB8AzOWU0And our new website is live: https://indexedpod.comFollow the guest:https://x.com/andrewhong5297https://x.com/herd_ecoFollow the co-hosts:https://x.com/hildobbyhttps://x.com/0xBoxerhttps://x.com/sui414Follow the Indexed Podcast:https://x.com/indexed_pod—The Indexed Podcast discusses hot topics, trendy metrics and chart crimes in the crypto industry, with a new episode every 1st and 3rd Thursday of the month, brought to you by wizards @hildobby @0xBoxer @sui414.Subscribe/follow the show and leave a comment to help us grow the show!—DISCLAIMER: All information presented here should not be relied upon as legal, financial, investment, tax or even life advice. The views expressed in the podcast are not representative of hosts' employers views. We are acting independently of our respective professional roles.
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