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Sep 8, 2026 1 hr 4 min

The Third Path of Relationships

from Positive Disintegration Hosted by Chris Wells and Emma Nicholson

In episode 85, we discuss Emma’s recent piece, “The Third Path of Relationships,” which asks a question at the heart of the theory: is understanding required for love? Emma traces her own three phases of thinking about relationships—from the early days before finding positive disintegration, through her “Triangle of Loneliness” period of feeling alienated and misunderstood, to a third position that corrects some of the thinking underneath both. Chris connects the piece to work from ten years ago on understanding in relationships, and to a recent Substack essay on autopsychotherapy—including the recognition that even inner work done in solitude has always been relationally driven. The conversation covers the difference between being understood and being loved, and what becomes possible when we stop requiring the first as a condition of the second. Emma pushes back on the common critique that the theory is individualistic, arguing that the dynamisms train us to move between inner and outer work: we heal our wounds so that we can show up for other people from our values instead of our triggers. Chris shares a journal entry from more than twenty years ago that shows what that development looks like across time, and Emma reflects on caring for her parents through a season when the tables have turned. Also in this episode: overexcitability and the anticipation (and letdown) of big experiences, Chris’s upcoming trip to Australia for the Critical Autoethnography Conference in Brisbane, and how listeners can support the podcast and Chris’s independent scholarship. Links from this episode: * Emma’s piece, The Third Path of Relationships * Chris’s article, What Autopsychotherapy Has Looked Like for Me * Emma’s Triangle of Loneliness video on YouTube * Support Chris’s work and travel fund If you appreciate our work, please subscribe, leave a rating or review on your podcast platform, and share the episode—every share helps someone find the theory. Connect with us * Positive Disintegration on Substack * Visit the Dabrowski Center website * Facebook * Instagram * The Positive Disintegration YouTube Channel * Adults with Overexcitabilities group on Facebook * The Tragic Gift blog by Emma * Email us at [email protected] * Please consider donating to the Dabrowski Center, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit. * Find Positive Disintegration Merch If you enjoyed this episode on Apple or Spotify, please remember to click on the stars and leave a rating or write a review. Thank you! This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.positivedisintegration.org/subscribe

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