EPISODE · May 20, 2026 · 1H 46M
The Ultimate Clash: Jillian Michaels vs. Sam Seder | No Holds Barred
from Keeping It Real: Conversations with Jillian Michaels · host Jillian Michaels
So much for common ground… Buckle up because this week Jillian Michaels sits across from Sam Seder, host of The Majority Report, for a bare-knuckle debate on government waste, Iran, Israel, Russia, Ukraine, DOGE, USAID and more. Nothing was off-limits. If you wanted a polite, coordinated conversation, go somewhere else. This is a full-throated ideological fight. In this episode, they tear into: The Global Health & Foreign Aid Crisis: The dismantling of USAID is front and center — is America's withdrawal from international NGO funding a necessary correction or a catastrophic failure? The debate gets heated fast, with the "last-mile" operational collapse in Uganda and the human cost of overnight co-investment mandates laid bare. The Mamdani-Khomeini Comparison: The Iranian diaspora isn't staying quiet — and this is where things get truly combustible. Jillian comes in swinging, amplifying the voices of exiles who lived through the revolution and are drawing chilling parallels between Mamdani's ideological framework and the Ayatollah's early intellectual positioning and Sam gets outraged. The Iran Conflict & The Fog of War: A fierce legal and ethical battle erupts over the recent strikes in Iran. The tragic Minab school bombing, the possibility of flawed targeting intelligence, and the complex question of civilian protections when military assets are embedded in non-military infrastructure all get put under the microscope. Russia, Ukraine & the NATO Fault Line: With the war grinding into a new phase, they go head to head on whether Western alliance commitments are a stabilizing force or a provocation that made this conflict inevitable DOGE, PBMs, and Domestic Warfare: The heat turns inward to tackle domestic deregulation, the rising influence of the Department of Government Efficiency, and whether the new delinking and transparency rules under the TrumpRx framework are liberating healthcare or creating new corporate loopholes for PBMs to exploit. Two distinct worldviews. Absolute zero consensus. Who held their ground, and who got exposed? Stream the full, unfiltered debate now and drop your thoughts in the comments below. OneSkin: Get 15% off OneSkin with the code KEEPINGITREAL at https://www.oneskin.co/KEEPINGITREAL #oneskinpod Skims: Shop Everyday Cotton, and all of my favorite bras and underwear at http://www.skims.com/jillian #skimspartner Beam: Visit https://shopbeam.com/REAL and use code REAL to get our exclusive discount of up to 40% off. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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So much for common ground… Buckle up because this week Jillian Michaels sits across from Sam Seder, host of The Majority Report, for a bare-knuckle debate on government waste, Iran, Israel, Russia, Ukraine, DOGE, USAID and more. Nothing was off-limits. If you wanted a polite, coordinated conversation, go somewhere else. This is a full-throated ideological fight. In this episode, they tear into: The Global Health & Foreign Aid Crisis: The dismantling of USAID is front and center — is America's withdrawal from international NGO funding a necessary correction or a catastrophic failure? The debate gets heated fast, with the "last-mile" operational collapse in Uganda and the human cost of overnight co-investment mandates laid bare. The Mamdani-Khomeini Comparison: The Iranian diaspora isn't staying quiet — and this is where things get truly combustible. Jillian comes in swinging, amplifying the voices of exiles who lived through the revolution and are drawing chilling parallels between Mamdani's ideological framework and the Ayatollah's early intellectual positioning and Sam gets outraged. The Iran Conflict & The Fog of War: A fierce legal and ethical battle erupts over the recent strikes in Iran. The tragic Minab school bombing, the possibility of flawed targeting intelligence, and the complex question of civilian protections when military assets are embedded in non-military infrastructure all get put under the microscope. Russia, Ukraine & the NATO Fault Line: With the war grinding into a new phase, they go head to head on whether Western alliance commitments are a stabilizing force or a provocation that made this conflict inevitable DOGE, PBMs, and Domestic Warfare: The heat turns inward to tackle domestic deregulation, the rising influence of the Department of Government Efficiency, and whether the new delinking and transparency rules under the TrumpRx framework are liberating healthcare or creating new corporate loopholes for PBMs to exploit. Two distinct worldviews. Absolute zero consensus. Who held their ground, and who got exposed? Stream the full, unfiltered debate now and drop your thoughts in the comments below. OneSkin: Get 15% off OneSkin with the code KEEPINGITREAL at https://www.oneskin.co/KEEPINGITREAL #oneskinpod Skims: Shop Everyday Cotton, and all of my favorite bras and underwear at http://www.skims.com/jillian #skimspartner Beam: Visit https://shopbeam.com/REAL and use code REAL to get our exclusive discount of up to 40% off. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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