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Nobody knows how to love you, expose you, humble you, and piss you the fuck off quite like a sibling.This week, we’re getting into some sibling shit—the favorite child allegations, childhood grudges that somehow survived into adulthood, birth-order bullshit, sibling rivalry, and the mystery of how two people can grow up in the SAME house and remember completely different childhoods.But then we grew up…and somehow the drama grew up with us.Partners enter the family. Money gets weird. Kids change the dynamic. Parents get older. Siblings grow apart. And suddenly the person you used to fight over the remote with is someone you have to navigate an entire adult relationship with.So we’re asking the questions nobody puts in the family group chat: Would you actually be friends with your sibling if you weren’t related? Can you love your sibling and not like them? Does being family automatically mean someone deserves access to you? And what the hell do we actually owe each other just because we share blood?Because sibling rules make absolutely no sense.I can call my sibling an asshole.You agree with me?Who the fuck asked you?From petty fights and complicated family dynamics to realizing your sibling might be one of the only people alive who remembers who you were before you became who you are now……and THAT’s some sibling shit.And Group Chat, now we want YOUR sibling shit. Who’s the favorite? What childhood grudge are you still holding? Are you currently not speaking? Did their partner ruin everything? Do you have a sibling secret you’ve been dying to get off your chest? Send us the story, the drama, or the case you need settled—and if necessary, we’ll take that shit straight to Sibling Court.Names can be changed. Identities can be protected.But the sibling tea? We’re gonna need that.Send us Fan Mail

Class is officially back in session—and unfortunately, we have thoughts.This week, John Jacob and Jed are going back to school… kind of. We’re talking first-day fits, cafeteria politics, the school lunches that had absolutely no business being that good, the teachers we loved (and the ones we’re apparently STILL holding grudges against), and whether adult us would even survive one full day back in the classroom.But somewhere between school nostalgia and questionable teenage decisions, we get into the stuff that wasn’t exactly in the curriculum: bullying, fitting in, figuring out who you were, and what it was like navigating school when you weren’t always ready—or able—to be completely yourself.Would teenage us recognize who we are today? Would we have even been friends back then? And with TikTok, screenshots, location sharing, group chats, and everything being recorded… did we have it easier, or do kids today?Grab your backpack, find your lunch table, and please don’t ask us to do algebra.The bell rang. And THAT’s a pod convo. 🎓Send us Fan Mail

You know the feeling. Everything is going great, the attraction is there, and then they do one tiny thing and suddenly… you can never look at them the same way again.But what actually IS an ick? And more importantly, when did we start confusing icks with actual red flags?This week, Jed and John Jacob dive into the wonderfully irrational world of the ick: where they come from, whether they're actually trying to tell us something, and if it's possible to bounce back once you've gotten one. We tackle some of the Group Chat's icks—including, apparently, butt crack—which somehow isn't an ick for Jed. Do with that information what you will.But somewhere between judging everyone's completely harmless behaviors and questioning our own, we stumble into something deeper: is there a point in a relationship where the things that once gave you the ick become part of intimacy? Is the opposite of the ick actually being comfortable enough to be completely ridiculous around someone?Ick + intimacy = Icktimacy?We don't know. We made it up.But now we have to talk about it.and THAT’s the Ick. 🤢Send us Fan Mail

After a 1 week Hiatus I say... Hand over your phone.No, seriously.Would you let your parents see your For You Page? Your partner? Your best friend? Because this week, we're asking what might be the most terrifying question we've ever asked on this podcast:What does your algorithm know about you?We're diving headfirst into our For You Pages—from TikTok and Instagram to Facebook Reels and whatever app has you saying, “Okay, ONE more video.”But somewhere between the thirst traps, recipes, relationship advice, brain rot and oddly specific rabbit holes, we started wondering: Did we create this algorithm… or did it create us?Do we shape what we're shown, or does what we're shown eventually shape the way we think, shop, laugh, date and see the world? How quickly can an innocent scroll take you from one harmless video straight down the algorithm-to-cult pipeline? And did our TikTok feeds actually feel different before the government's involvement with the platform versus after?Plus, what's your app of choice? Are you loyal to TikTok? An Instagram Reels bitch? Somehow living your best life on Facebook Reels? Or have you escaped the algorithm entirely?Our feeds might be “For You”…but who exactly is deciding who YOU are?Grab your phone, check your FYP, and join the Group Chat.…and THAT's a pod convo.Send us Fan Mail

Friendship breakups don't always come with slammed doors, dramatic fights, or one person to blame. Sometimes they happen quietly. Life changes, priorities shift, and one day you realize someone you couldn't imagine life without has become a stranger.This week, we're talking about the friendships that shaped us, the ones that faded, and the ones we still think about from time to time. Can you outgrow someone without either of you being the villain? What does it really take to stay friends forever? And is it ever too late to rekindle a friendship?Along the way, we share our own stories, tackle listener questions, and leave space for anyone who's ever wondered, "What happened to us?"Whether you're grieving a friendship, hoping to reconnect, or simply reminiscing about the people who helped make you who you are, this conversation is for you.Because not every friendship is meant to last forever......but every friendship leaves a mark.And THAT's a pod convo.Send us Fan Mail

What does allyship look like when the Pride flags come down?Inspired by a listener question, John Jacob and Jed dive into the uncomfortable gray areas of allyship—especially when family, marriage, loyalty, and silence all collide. Is someone still an ally if they ignore their spouse’s hateful rhetoric? Is “it’s just the internet” ever a valid excuse? And does a harmful post matter less when nobody likes, shares, or interacts with it—or does continuing to post without validation make the intent even clearer?We unpack what it means to confront the people closest to us, whether family is automatically owed loyalty, and when protecting your peace might mean creating distance—or walking away entirely.Jed also makes his feelings about Chick-fil-A extremely clear, because apparently no conversation about performative allyship is complete without waffle fries entering the chat.Pride Month may end. The banners may come down. The corporations may quietly change their logos back. But LGBTQ+ people do not disappear for the other eleven months.So what happens then?…and THAT’s a pod convo.### Frequently Asked Questions**What should I do if my family member refuses to engage in this conversation?**  If they refuse to engage, it may be necessary to reassess the relationship and set boundaries to protect your well-being.**How can I maintain a relationship with a family member who holds opposing views?**  Focus on finding common ground and mutual respect. Set clear boundaries about what discussions are acceptable and be willing to limit conversations around sensitive topics.**What resources can I share with family members to help them understand LGBTQ+ issues?**  Consider sharing articles, books, or documentaries that highlight the experiences and challenges faced by the LGBTQ+ community.**How can I support myself emotionally during this process?**  Seek support from friends, LGBTQ+ groups, or counseling services to help process your feelings and experiences.Send us Fan Mail

🚨 BREAKING NEWS: John Jacob went on a date. 🤯No, seriously. We were just as shocked as you are.This week's Fourth of July episode starts with one innocent question: What's more American—a hot dog 🌭or a burger🍔?Before long, we're debating whether a hot dog is even a sandwich, making entirely too many jokes about a meat between two buns, questioning if sparklers ✨are secretly tiny weapons, and asking the question America has been too afraid to answer:Is the Costco food court a restaurant... and can it actually count as a date?(According to Jed... absolutely.)We also unpack John Jacob's unexpected Fourth of July date—despite the running joke that he may, in fact, hate men—build our ultimate summer survival pack, and even take a moment to talk about what we actually mean when we say "American." Because while we're celebrating the 🇺🇸United States this week, North America is a whole continent... which means our neighbors in 🇨🇦Canada and 🇲🇽Mexico are Americans too. Consider this your one educational moment before we immediately return to arguing about hot dogs.Plus, we debut a brand-new game: and THAT's Red🔴, White⚪️ & WHY? Can we tell the difference between a Florida headline, a fake headline, or something involving fireworks? Honestly... Florida makes this way harder than it should be.So grab a burger... or a hot dog (we're still arguing), throw on some sunscreen, refill your $1.50 Costco soda🥤, and join us for an episode full of summer chaos, explosive opinions🧨, questionable dating choices, unnecessary debates, and conversations that absolutely should've stayed at the BBQ.🍗...and THAT's a pod convo.Send us Fan Mail

The final chapter of our Pride Series is here.Joined by Ryan Oelrich, we talk about religion, identity, marriage, finding yourself, sword swallowing (yes, the literal kind… and unfortunately the other kind too), and the winding road it takes to become comfortable in your own skin.Over the last five episodes, we’ve explored what it means to be LGBTQ+ through the lens of P.R.I.D.E. — Pretending, Realizing, Identifying, Defining, and finally, Evolving. Together we’ve unpacked closets, survival mode, healing, chosen family, and the moments that shaped us into who we are today.For the first time this series, Jed and John Jacob answer the question: What does Pride actually mean to us?And maybe the answer isn’t found in a parade, a rainbow flag, or even the month of June.Because when Pride Month ends, there are still eleven other months left in the year. LGBTQ+ people don’t disappear when the decorations come down. We’ve been here long before we had labels for ourselves. We’ve existed in every generation, every culture, every community, and we’ll be here long after we’re gone.This episode is a reminder that while progress has been made, there are still places where our existence is criminalized, where our rights are limited, and where being ourselves comes with a cost. Even in our own backyards, there are people who would prefer we be quieter, smaller, easier to ignore.But we refuse to make ourselves smaller because the cage is small.This is a conversation about growth, authenticity, resilience, and the beautiful reality that who we are now, who we’ve always been, and who we will always be are all worthy of love.Happy Pride.And THAT’s a Pride Convo. 🌈Send us Fan Mail

Welcome back to and THAT’s a Pride Convo.This week, we're tackling the part of Pride nobody really warns you about: healing... unfortunately.After spending years pretending, realizing, identifying, surviving, and figuring out who we are, we're finally asking the hard questions. What habits keep sneaking back into our lives? How do we forgive younger versions of ourselves? Are boundaries protecting us, or are we pushing people away? And why does healing somehow feel like the most necessary thing we've ever hated?Between surprisingly deep conversations, a few emotional moments, Yelp reviews for personal growth, and more sexual innuendos than a healing journey probably requires, this quickly became the deepest episode we've recorded in the Pride Series.Because healing isn't always beautiful. Sometimes it's messy. Sometimes it's uncomfortable. Sometimes it's hilarious. And sometimes it's all three at the exact same time.So grab a seat, grab a tissue, grab a therapist, and join us for and THAT’s healing... unfortunately.Send us Fan Mail

This week, Jed and John Jacob are fresh off Pride Weekend and asking the important questions: Are our toxic traits actually personality traits? Why are fish photos still happening on dating apps? And who decided group photos belong in a Tinder profile?From flip phones and moving out for the first time to validation seeking, hyper-independence, trust issues, and whether the apps helped or hurt, the boys unpack the survival mechanisms they've picked up along the way—and the ones they're still trying to leave behind.Plus, the return of and THAT's 1 Thing Straight & 2 Things Gay, where listeners write in looking for advice on dating, self-worth, vulnerability, and the complicated art of letting people in.Come for the Pride stories. Stay for the emotional growth, dating app grievances, and the realization that maybe we're all just trying our best....and THAT's a pod convo.Instagram: @AndTHATsApodConvoPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/andTHATsaPodConvoTikTok: andthatsapodconvo_1Send us Fan Mail

🌈 and THAT's not JUST a phase. 🌈For Episode 2 of and THAT's a PRIDE convo, we're joined by Anthony, Momo, and Lizette to talk about the signs, the denial, the phases, and the moments that made us stop and say, "oh..."Anthony delivers some of the most clip-worthy moments of the series, Momo helps us unpack the idea of phases and self-discovery, and Lizette does what any good friend in the group chat does—accidentally turns the conversation into therapy.Along the way, we talk crushes, labels, realization stories, and the pressure of having everything figured out.And yes, there were technical difficulties. Mics cut out, audio got a little chaotic, and at times technology reminded us who's really in charge. But honestly? It wouldn't be a gay podcast without at least one avoidable technical issue.The audio may not be perfect, but the stories are real.Welcome back to the group chat. 🌈☕️🎙️Send us Fan Mail

🚢✨ DOUBLE DROP ALERT ✨🚢This week, we're giving you two episodes because apparently one conversation wasn't enough.We're talking about Jed's latest cruise adventures, Ariana Grande's new music, and the Taylor Swift x Toy Story crossover that we are entirely here for. We also discuss whether Taylor might be dropping subtle hints at a return to her country roots, because naturally we have thoughts.From there, we spiral into Disney movies, horror films, and all the random tangents in between.It's one of those episodes where we start with a plan and immediately abandon it.So whether you're here for pop culture, Disney nostalgia, scary movies, or just two friends attempting to stay on topic, pull up a seat and join the group chat.Because sometimes the best conversations are the ones that make absolutely no sense on paper....and THAT's a pod convo. ☕️🎙️Send us Fan Mail

For the first episode of and THAT's a PRIDE convo, we're joined by Robert "Robbie" Thompson for a conversation about closets, performances, and the versions of ourselves we created long before we knew who we were.We talk about the signs we ignored, the roles we played, and the idea that maybe we're all born naked and the rest is drag. Because whether you're LGBTQ+ or not, most people spend some part of their life performing for someone else.From suspicious celebrity crushes and "totally straight" hobbies to deeper conversations about identity, authenticity, and taking back ownership of the word closet, this episode is funny, honest, emotional, and surprisingly relatable.Because sometimes the closet wasn't quiet at all.It was VERY loud. 🌈☕🎙️Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/posts/and-thats-very-160564109?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_linkSend us Fan Mail

Well… after only one official episode, Josh is no longer with us.No, seriously. Gone. Vanished. Taken by the podcast gods. Thoughts and prayers. 🕯️So naturally, we did what any emotionally stable podcast would do and immediately replaced him. Enter ... well you will fnd out — their qualifications?Obviously their resume includes trauma, chaotic opinions, and the ability to survive a group chat.This week on and THAT’s a pod convo we spiral through:💚 and THAT’s Shrek’s 25th anniversaryBecause somehow Shrek shaped an entire generation emotionally, spiritually, and romantically.👯 and THAT’s iconic duosBest friend dynamics, chaotic pairings, and what truly makes two people insufferable together.🥛 and THAT’s food intoleranceAt what point does your stomach become your biggest opp?❤️ and THAT’s your typeRed flags, green flags, dating delusions, and the horrifying realization that sometimes your “type” is just emotional instability with good eyebrows.📱 Plus another round of and THAT’s 1 thing Straight & 2 things Gay — where we answer advice/questions that absolutely should’ve stayed in the group chat.It’s messy. It’s dramatic. It’s concerning how quickly we moved on from the original co-host.… and THAT’s a pod convo. 🎤Send us Fan Mail