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Midlife Circus
by Burning Matches Media
Midlife isn’t the end — it’s the evolution of Gen X. Hosted by Brent Drever and Rob Espenel, Midlife Circus is where real conversations meet reinvention. Like any good circus, midlife is part chaos, part wonder — a stage for learning new acts. From careers and relationships to purpose and adventure, Rob and Brent explore the unpredictable, messy, and meaningful middle of life with humor, honesty, and a touch of rebellion. Pull up a seat under the tent — and get ready to laugh, reflect, and rediscover what’s possible in Your Next Great Act.
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Losing a Parent: Sudden Loss and the Long Goodbye
Message the ShowSomewhere in midlife, losing a parent stops being a distant idea and starts happening to people around you. It's one of the few certainties waiting for everyone, and it rarely arrives the way you expect. This episode sits with two very different versions of it: Brent's sudden loss of his father, a massive stroke that took him within 48 hours, and the slow decline of his mother twelve years later, seven months from a cancer diagnosis to her death. One came with no warning at all. The other came with a timeline. Rob and Brent talk through what each one asked of the family, from the roles siblings quietly fall into, to the humor that keeps everyone upright, to the grief that got buried for years before professional help finally surfaced it. They close on the conversations and the paperwork worth handling while your parents are still here.Links, resources, books mentioned:Join the Midlife Circus Community on SubstackFollow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTubeVisit Episode WebsiteEverything Happens for a Reason and the Other Lies I've Loved by Kate BowlerTopics we are covering in this episode:The difference between sudden loss and a long terminal declineWhy advance directives and a will are a gift to the people you leave behindThe place of humor in getting a family throughBurying grief versus seeking professional helpSupporting the spouses and children who are grieving tooThe conversations to have with parents while they're still alive
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Sudden Money: How a Windfall Changes You and Everyone Around You
Message the ShowAt some point in midlife a financial windfall may show up: a business sale, an inheritance, a severance package, a bonus bigger than expected. Rob and Brent walk through what actually happens next, using the five rings of the Midlife Circus to look past the dollar amount at the parts nobody plans for. They get into how a windfall changes your relationships, why 75% of business owners regret selling within a year, the grief that can come attached to an inheritance, and the number one financial mistake that quietly drains it all away.Links, resources, books mentioned:Join the Midlife Circus Community on SubstackFollow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTubeVisit Episode WebsiteTopics we are covering in this episode:Expected vs unexpected windfalls and why the difference mattersHow sudden money amplifies whatever was already thereThe money conversation to have with your spouse before it arrivesWhen an inheritance brings grief instead of a gainHow a financial windfall changes friends, family, and youWhy 75% of business owners regret selling their company
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Navigating Health Scares in Midlife: The Visible and the Invisible
Message the ShowHealth scares in midlife come in two forms: the visible ones you feel, like a back that goes out and won't recover, and the invisible ones you can't, like a cholesterol number that flags a problem you'd never have noticed on your own. In this episode, Brent and Rob each put a real one on the table. Brent walks through the lower back injury that sidelined him for three months and the month he wasted letting AI tell him what he wanted to hear. Rob shares his long history with elevated cholesterol, the heart testing that followed, and what his sports cardiologist actually told him about navigating it. It's a real look at how you respond when your body sends a signal, and why how you navigate it matters more than the scare itself. Plus a colonoscopy prep story that has to be heard to be believed.Links, resources, books mentioned:Join the Midlife Circus Community on SubstackFollow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTubeVisit Episode WebsiteTopics we are covering in this episode:The difference between visible and invisible health scaresA four-level framework for how people respond to a diagnosisWhy relying on AI for self-diagnosis can make things worseThe role of alternative therapy in injury recoveryWhat heart and cardiovascular testing can reveal that you can't feelBalancing the things that keep you healthy against the things you love
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Connection, Health, and Renewal: A Midlife Adventure in Costa Rica
Message the ShowThis one is a field trip. Brent and Rob recorded it on location at Surf Synergy, a surf camp in Jacó, Costa Rica, where they brought their own families along with a group of friends and theirs, ages ranging from 3 to 55, for a week of surfing, yoga, and a lot of healthy eating. Recorded outside on a deck in the rainforest, the conversation explores the experiences of the week through the lens of the five rings of midlife: adventure, purpose, finance, relationships, and health. Rob makes the case for treating a trip like this as an investment rather than an expense, and both Brent and Rob get into what changed over a week when everyone disconnected from their lives back at home.Links, resources, books mentioned:Join the Midlife Circus Community on SubstackFollow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTubeVisit Episode WebsiteSurf Synergy (surfsynergy.com) — the all-inclusive surf and wellness retreat in Jacó, Costa Rica where this episode was recorded. Surf Synergy is offering Midlife Circus listeners 10% off with the code “circus” when you book your trip. Book by the end of August 2026; your trip can be scheduled for any available dates after that.Topics we are covering in this episode:Recording an episode outside in the rainforest between surf sessionsLearning to surf in your 50s, and what five days in the water actually teaches youA reminder on the regenerative power of slowing downReframing an expensive trip as an investment in your familyA week of healthy meals where three-year-olds and fifty-year-olds ate togetherCold plunges, breath work, and holding your breath longer than you thought you couldWhat happens to a group when nobody picks up their phone for a week
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The Stuff We Keep: Why Letting Go in Midlife Creates Room for What's Next
Message the ShowRob and Brent each did a room-by-room walkthrough of their own houses and came back with the evidence: a 90-year-old silk top hat, a custom motorcycle jacket from the Harley days, a bin of coaxial cables, gold-toed bowling shoes, and three corporate suits that have not been worn in years. In this episode they sort it all into three categories — the memories worth keeping, the expensive stuff held hostage by sunk cost, and the things that just need to go — and dig into the fear and identity underneath why we hang on. The point isn't minimalism. It's making room for the version of yourself you're becoming instead of storing the one you left behind.Links, resources, books mentioned:Join the Midlife Circus Community on SubstackFollow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTubeVisit Episode WebsiteTopics we are covering in this episode:A room-by-room inventory of the stuff we keepThe three categories: sentimental keepers, expensive maybe-somedays, and things to let goWhy old suits and ties carry the fear of going back to workThe sunk cost trap of expensive purchasesHow giving things away can feel better than keeping themReplacing old stuff with items that fit your future self
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Acceptance as Strength: Recovery and Rebuilding with Musician Ezra Vancil
Message the ShowEzra Vancil got signed to a music label as a teenager and spent the years that followed living the life of a rock star. By 21 his label had dropped him with no plan B, and the next two decades were a collapse into addiction and isolation that nearly cost him his life more than once. The night he hit bottom at 40, he woke up on the kitchen floor to the realization that his life had to change. This conversation is the story of what happened next: how Ezra stopped running long enough to do the work of acceptance, and how that recovery became his next great act. During this episode, he picks up his mandolin and plays a brand-new song live, written with this conversation in mind.Links, resources, books mentioned:Join the Midlife Circus Community on Substack Follow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTubeVisit Episode WebsiteFollow Ezra Vancil - https://ezravancil.com (shop, book, vinyl, music), Instagram @ezravancil, search "Ezra Vancil" for his music on all streaming platformsTopics we are covering in this episode:Growing up in a traveling gospel bandGetting signed to a record label as a teenagerTwenty years of addiction and the slow collapseThe kitchen-floor moment at 40 that changed everythingWhy Ezra calls acceptance a strengthWalking away from a new record deal to choose familyMaking music with his daughter and building a business with his son
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5 Challenges We Got Ourselves Into
Message the ShowRob and Brent walked into this episode with no idea what the other was about to commit to. They each named 5 personal challenges for the next 90 days, one for every ring of midlife: finance, relationship, health, purpose, and adventure, and shared them live. The list includes losing twenty pounds, getting back to real planned date nights, joining a Friday golf group of strangers, learning to ride a unicycle, and tracking every meal for ninety days. A working definition of growth in midlife, with the receipts due at the end. Links, resources, books mentioned:Join the Midlife Circus Community on Substack Follow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTubeVisit Episode Website Topics we are covering in this episode:The 5 rings of midlife as a framework for growth10 personal challenges put on the recordThe case against the easy-button challengeA 90-day window for real growth in midlifeThe case for public commitments and accountabilityAn invitation for listeners to pick their own challenges
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Launching a Creative Business in Midlife
Message the ShowAlmost everyone has a creative thing they've been thinking about for years but never started. Rob wants to shoot action videos. Brent wants to restore old cars. Other people have pottery, photography, or a book idea sitting in the back of their head. In this episode, Brent and Rob get specific about what it takes to move a creative hobby into a real business in midlife, including the three categories of creative work, a passion-product-marketplace framework, and why most creators undercharge themselves out of the gate. If you've got a creative idea you keep coming back to, this episode is where you find out what to actually do with it.Links, resources, books mentioned:Join the Midlife Circus Community on Substack Follow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTubeVisit Episode WebsiteMountain Mud Ceramics (creative business mentioned) Topics we are covering in this episode:The difference between a creative hobby and a creative businessThree categories of creative work: physical goods, creative content, and creative servicesHow to apply passion, product, and marketplace as a starting frameworkWhy most creators underprice themselves out of the gateChoosing the right platform without spreading across too manyStarting small with a minimum viable productPlaying the long game and resisting the comparison trap
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A Guide to Earning Money as a Consultant in Midlife
Message the ShowWhat does it actually take to start consulting in midlife? Rob and Brent go a layer deeper than their earlier conversation on earning income in your next chapter, breaking down the foundational work most people skip — purpose, product, and market — and the six practical steps to launch your own consulting, advisory, or coaching practice. Drawing from Brent's 20+ years as a consultant and Rob's recent experience building his advisory business, they cover billing rates, marketing, entity structure, and the core mindset shift that changes everything: you are the product. Links, resources, books mentioned:Join the Midlife Circus Community on Substack Follow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTubeVisit Episode WebsiteTopics we are covering in this episode:The mindset shift from employee to consultantThe difference between consulting, coaching, and advisory workHow to define purpose, product, and marketPath selection — independent, platform, or consulting firmHow to set billing rates and avoid underselling yourselfMarketing materials and digital presence that actually workWhy your first client matters more than the perfect setup
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Before You Retire: 5 Things We Wish We'd Done First
Message the ShowWhat if retirement isn't really just a finance problem? Finance is the part most people plan for. It's the four others — relationships, health, purpose, and adventure — that quietly reshape everything. Rob and Brent walk through all five: test-driving your spending before the leap, inventorying the relationships that will and won't survive, building health habits while you still have structure, giving yourself room to find purpose again, and writing the adventure lists you've been putting off. The episode they wish someone had handed them before they walked out the door.Links, resources, books mentioned:Join the Midlife Circus Community on Substack Follow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTubeVisit Episode WebsiteTopics we are covering in this episode:Test-driving your retirement lifestyle before you leaveWhy work relationships disappear overnightBuilding health habits before the paycheck stopsThe identity shift and the case for a real breakWhy adventure lists are a transition plan in disguisePlan Z as the fallback that frees you up
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The Midlife Sabbatical: Taking a Career Break in Your 50s with Sarah Hager
Message the ShowAt 52, Sarah Hager stepped away from a 30-year corporate career to take a midlife sabbatical she never planned for. Rob and Brent sit down with Sarah to talk about the events that pushed her to walk away, what she learned in two years of travel, rest, and creative exploration, and how she eventually came back to work on her own terms. It's a grounded, honest look at what a midlife career break can actually look like — the emotional side, the financial bridge, and the quiet confidence that comes from finding yourself again.Links, resources, books mentioned:Join the Midlife Circus Community on Substack Follow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTubeVisit Episode WebsiteSarah’s Etsy Shop – Hernage Creek DesignTopics we are covering in this episode:What prompted Sarah to step away from a 30-year career at 52The emotional side of taking a midlife sabbaticalHow to bridge the financial gap between working and full retirementRediscovering yourself in the quiet after stepping awayUnlocking creativity through a print-on-demand Etsy business
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Find Your Epic: Why Big Challenges Matter in Midlife
Message the ShowWhat does it take to push past your own limits in midlife — and why does it matter? Brent and Rob unpack their own versions of Epic, from Rob’s 250-mile Cocodona race and his breakthrough at mile 170, to Brent’s 18-hour Grand Canyon Rim to Rim to Rim and the clarity it brought during a hard season of life. Everybody’s Epic looks different. This one is about why taking on something hard — a race, a trip, a business, a book — might be exactly what this chapter of life is asking you to do.Links, resources, books mentioned:Join the Midlife Circus Community on Substack Follow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTubeVisit Episode WebsiteTopics we are covering in this episode:What “Epic” really means in midlifeWhy big challenges give you what ordinary life can’tRob’s breakthrough at mile 170 of CocodonaThe shift from accomplishment to meaningHow community makes the hard things possibleTravel, adventure, and learning to trust the guideFinding the version of Epic that fits your life
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
Midlife isn’t the end — it’s the evolution of Gen X. Hosted by Brent Drever and Rob Espenel, Midlife Circus is where real conversations meet reinvention. Like any good circus, midlife is part chaos, part wonder — a stage for learning new acts. From careers and relationships to purpose and adventure, Rob and Brent explore the unpredictable, messy, and meaningful middle of life with humor, honesty, and a touch of rebellion. Pull up a seat under the tent — and get ready to laugh, reflect, and rediscover what’s possible in Your Next Great Act.
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Burning Matches Media
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