Ministry Minded: A Podcast by Step Up To Life

What happens when you love Jesus, love ministry, love the people you're serving, and still find yourself praying that your board will fire you?Justin Hoehner has been there.On this episode of Ministry Minded, Dr. Nick Bank and Lincoln Murdoch sit down with Justin, the director of Camp Comeca near Cozad, Nebraska, for a candid conversation about pastoral burnout, false guilt, rest, resilience, and finishing well.Justin opens up about some of the darkest seasons of his ministry, while Lincoln shares lessons from more than four decades of ministry about pacing yourself, knowing when to step back, and resisting the temptation to believe that being needed means being faithful.They talk about why pastors can become "addicted to being needed," why rest can trigger false guilt, and why sometimes the most spiritual thing you can do is stop and simply be with Jesus.Justin also talks about Camp Comeca's Pastor Stay program, Mission Impact Camps, and the upcoming Rooted and Resilient retreat for pastors and their spouses.You don't have to burn out to be faithful.Sometimes finishing well means learning how to rest.Dr. Bank's Book: Down Like Jesus: Navigating Pastoral Pain in the Footsteps of Christhttps://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FPQT4S2WLincoln's Book: See You at the Finishhttps://www.stepuptolife.com/store/p/palm-r39wyPastoral Retreats at Camp Comeca:https://comeca.camp/mission-impact/#pml_micSupport the show:https://www.stepuptolife.com/giveSupport the showwww.StepUpToLife.com 

Pastor Bart Wilkins has faithfully served the same church for more than 30 years. In this conversation, he shares the lessons, challenges, and convictions that have shaped his ministry—and what every pastor and ministry leader can learn from them.In this episode, we discuss:Why church planting is harder—and more rewarding—than most people expect.What Bart would tell his younger self if he could start ministry over.How to stay faithful through three decades of pastoral leadership.Building a discipleship pathway that actually produces disciple-makers.Why Flatland Church launched the Omaha School of Ministry.Developing future pastors and ministry leaders through theological training.Why Step Up to Life is becoming central to Flatland's discipleship strategy.Using Step Up to Life in baptism and membership classes to help people understand the gospel, evaluate their spiritual journey, and learn to share their faith.Whether you're planting a church, leading an established congregation, or investing in the next generation of leaders, this conversation offers practical wisdom for the long game of ministry.Flatland Church Website: https://www.flatlandchurch.com/Flatland's Discipleship Pathway: https://www.flatlandchurch.com/discipleship-pathwayOmaha School of Ministry: The Omaha School of Ministry (OSM), located at Flatland Church, partners with Southwestern Assemblies of God University to offer hands-on leadership training combined with accredited online degree programs.Support the showwww.StepUpToLife.com 

In this conversation, Dr. Nick Bank and Jared Kliewer—founder of Presence Ministries (www.Presence-Ministries.org)—explore the hidden emotional and spiritual cost of long-term ministry leadership, especially the quiet collapse that often goes unseen behind the pulpit.Jared shares his personal journey through COVID-era leadership strain, the loss of a co-pastor, anxiety on stage, and his eventual transition out of staff ministry into founding Presence Ministries, a nonprofit dedicated to caring for weary and wounded ministry leaders.Together, they unpack several core dynamics shaping pastoral formation and breakdown:The pastoral isolation cycle, where leaders feel unable to safely disclose struggles.Performance-driven identity rooted in unresolved attachment wounds.Distorted images of God as an harsh evaluator rather than a delighting presence.The danger of conflating vocation with identity and becoming dependent on being needed. The episode also highlights practical pathways toward healing, including contemplative journaling, relational safety, and the presence-centered framework influenced by Dr. Curt Thompson, where vulnerability, attuned presence, and the presence of Jesus converge in healing.Nick also references formative voices and communities shaping this conversation, including his book Down Like Jesus, the Kineo Institute, Standing Stone Ministry, and Dr. Geoff and Cyd Holsclaw’s work.*Jared's Presence-Ministries: https://www.Presence-Ministries.org *Dr. Bank's Book: Down Like Jesus: https://a.co/d/0dW4xa89 * Spiritual Health Assessment: https://form.typeform.com/to/dPmkNlle *Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com*Kineo Center's Free Burnout Quiz: https://quiz.tryinteract.com/#/686eba2f783d5700154ef51b*Standing Stone Ministry: https://standingstoneministry.org*Cyd Holsclaw: https://www.cydholsclaw.com*Attaching to God (Geoff & Cyd Holsclaw): https://www.attachingtogod.com*InterVarsity Press author page for Geoff Holsclaw: https://www.ivpress.com/geoff-holsclawSupport the showwww.StepUpToLife.comSupport the showwww.StepUpToLife.com 

In this episode of Ministry Minded, Dr. Nick Bank and SUTL Executive Director Lincoln Murdoch are joined by Step Up To Life’s newest team member, Alex Daum, to talk about what actually makes a sermon effective.With over 40 years of preaching experience as a pastor, missionary, and church planter, Lincoln reflects on a lifetime of communicating God’s Word. Alex brings a decade of experience preaching to middle and high school students in audiences ranging from 100 to 1,000, while Dr. Bank shares insights shaped by decades in pastoral ministry and his doctoral work in Advanced Biblical Preaching.Together, they tackle questions every pastor and Bible teacher should be asking:What makes a sermon “good”—biblically and practically?How can we interpret Scripture responsibly without losing clarity?Why did Jesus rely so heavily on stories, and what can we learn from that?Why do so many sermons fail to stick—and how can we preach so people actually remember and apply God’s Word?If you’ve ever wondered why people struggle to retain or live out what they hear on Sunday, this conversation will challenge and equip you to preach with greater clarity, faithfulness, and lasting impact.Support the showwww.StepUpToLife.com 

In this episode of Ministry Minded, hosts Nick Bank and Lincoln Murdoch (briefly, from bed post-surgery) introduce a major development within Step Up To Life: the appointment of Alex Daum as U.S. National Director of Youth Evangelism and Strategic Partnerships.Alex brings over a decade of frontline ministry experience with the Todd Becker Foundation—engaging public high schools, discipling gap-year students, and leading thousands of one-on-one gospel conversations across the Midwest. But his story begins much earlier—with a hidden life of sin, a crisis of eternity, and a moment of deep conviction that led to true repentance and saving faith.This episode is more than an announcement. It’s a window into a growing burden:-Why Gen Z is more spiritually open than we think-The evangelism gap in modern youth ministry-How apologetics and gospel clarity must work together-Why most believers don’t share their faith—and how to change that-A bold new initiative: the Step Up To Life Ambassadors ProgramTogether, Nick and Alex unpack a vision to equip young believers not just to know their faith—but to articulate and multiply it. This isn’t about replacing existing ministries—it’s about refining them. Strengthening them. Igniting a culture where students move from passive belief to active disciple-making.You’ll also hear:-A powerful testimony of transformation from pornography and spiritual apathy to radical obedience-Real stories of students confidently defending the faith in everyday conversations-Insights into building resilient, gospel-centered leaders in a hostile and confused culture-Why fear—not theology—is the biggest barrier to evangelism-How God often leads step-by-step, not all at onceThis is a conversation for pastors, youth leaders, parents, and anyone burdened for the next generation. Because the question isn’t whether young people are searching. It’s whether the Church is ready to meet them with truth in a way they find compassionate and compelling.🔑 Key Topics & Timestamps (Optional Add-On for YouTube/SEO)(00:00) Major Announcement: New Role at Step Up To Life(05:00) Alex Daum’s Testimony: From Sin to Saving Faith(15:00) Inside the Todd Becker Foundation Model(25:00) Why Gen Z Is Spiritually Open Right Now(35:00) The Vision: Step Up To Life Ambassadors Program(45:00) Apologetics + Evangelism: A Missing Link(55:00) Real Story: A Teen Defends the Faith at Work(1:05:00) The Future of Youth DiscipleshipSupport the showwww.StepUpToLife.com