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More Train, Less Pain; Engineering the Adaptable Athlete
by Dr. Michelle Boland & Dr. Tim Richardt
The More Train, Less Pain podcast is hosted by Dr. Michelle Boland and Dr. Tim Richardt and is specifically designed around engineering the adaptable athlete. The podcast will bring you the most knowledgeable guests in the fields of strength and conditioning and physical therapy, as well as episodes consisting of topic “deep-dives”. Our aim is to elevate YOUR understanding as a movement professional, to give you the knowledge, and the tools to deliver an even better service to your people, whoever they may be.
Episodes
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S6E12: Rehab & Training Trends in 2026- Season 6 Finale
In today’s episode, Michelle and Tim wrap up Season 6 by discussing rehab and training trends in 2026. The MTLP duo provide insights into the mistake of giving too much homework in physical therapy, why trainers need to give clients more fitness and quit trying to relieve their own boredom, why...
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S6E11: Running Models and 6 Tenets for Fast, Injury-Free Running with Craig Depperschmidt, PT
In today's episode, Tim brings back Dr. Craig Depperschmidt, PT to do a deep dive on their respective running models and how to leverage ‘em to make clients faster and healthier. In this episode they discuss, Tim's model of "Catch -> Fall + Bounce -> Shift + Spiral" and Craig’s Model of "Relax…
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S6E10: Erin Carson- Strength Training For Endurance Sports
In today’s episode, Michelle sits down with one of the most sought-after strength coaches in endurance sports, Erin Carson. In this episode they discuss how the weight room needs to counteract the demands of the high volume training and repetitive motions within endurance athletics, how…
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S6E9: Listener Questions; Glute Confusion, Total Hips, Patient Puzzles, and More…
In this episode of More Train, Less Pain, Tim answers listener questions about everything from knowing when to zoom in or out during treatment, to the complicated role of glutes in hip extension, over-cueing exercises, and making big decisions like total hip replacement. Along the way, he tackles...
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S6E8: Running Clinic Review with Michelle
After a failed episode recording between Michelle and Tim, Michelle sits down to give her best summary - a review of the Boston Health & Performance Summit. In this episode, Michelle talks about her biggest takeaways - the importance of establishing a standard for running mechanics, objective...
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S6E7: Tim Shieff on The Way of the Rope and Effortless Spirals
There can only be one! Unless it’s Tim *Shieff*, today’s guest and rope flow practitioner, innovator, and educator- together Tim squared gets into other Tim’s professional parkour background, journey through post-competitive ennui, brief foray into yoga, and using the rope to retrain...
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S6E6: Pain Without Suffering and Better Decision Making with Toby Sola, Founder of Brightmind
On today’s episode Tim sits down with Toby Sola to discuss seeing/hearing/feeling your way to a flourishing existence, nociception versus anguish, and playing a crummy hand of cards in the best way possible. Listen, subscribe, and tell your friends… 2025 Boston Health & Performance Summit…
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S6E5: Postural Restoration Informed Therapy with Craig Depperschmidt
On today’s episode Tim sits down with Craig Depperschmidt to discuss how asymmetry is everything, why nuance matters, and why curiosity is the key to connection. Listen, subscribe, and tell your friends… 2025 Boston Health & Performance Summit November 2nd:...
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S6E4: Shorter Right Legs and Infinite Learning with Eric Oberst
On today’s episode Tim sits down with fellow physical therapist, Eric Oberst to discuss how compensatory muscle action affects functional leg length, restoring normal mechanics via foam rolling, and the unrelenting dedication to mastering one’s craft. Listen, subscribe, and tell your friends……
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S6E3: What Strength Training for Runners Looks Like
On today’s episode Michelle and Tim discuss strength training for runners- both variables to consider and specific exercises for different types of runners. In this episode they discuss developing exercises with a turn component, exercises for the typical runner body structure, undoing…
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S6E2: Mental Training in Endurance Sports to Manage Discomfort - Racing tactics with Darcie Murphy
On today’s episode Michelle sits down with Darcie Murphy - an elite running and pro ultramarathon coach to discuss the mental components of endurance racing and how to prepare for the low points. In this episode we discuss racing vs finishing, athletes being coachable, the importance of having a...
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S6E1: What Injury Prevention for Runners Looks Like
On today’s episode Michelle and Tim kick off Season 6 with an in-depth look at injury prevention for runners. In this episode they discuss tendon length with loading, common running injuries, excessive specificity, management strategies, an inverse relationship between running volume and movement...
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S5E27: BONUS Episode: Daniel “DAC” Cardona on The Wisdom of Powerlifting; Learning Movement, Accessory Training, and Shedding Athletic Identity
Tim’s joined by Danny “DAC” Cardona, powerlifting and mindset coach extraordinaire for a far-ranging discussion concerning what other movement disciplines can learn from powerlifting, powerlifting programming concepts, the role of accessory lifts in a strength program, teaching/learning movement...
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S5E26: Season 5 Finale- Lessons of the Past 12 Months
On today’s episode Michelle and Tim sit down to discuss their top three themes and lessons from Season 5. In this episode they discuss certainty, the artistic analysis of running mechanics, running not having much to do with conditioning, the fallacy that more range of motion is better, “explore...
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S5E25: Exercises & Cues we LOVE for Runners
On today’s episode Michelle and Tim sit down to discuss specific exercises and cues that they use for runners. In this episode, expect to learn how the ‘hardware’ determines what is possible for the ‘software’ of running, why runners need to bounce instead of push, cues to improve running stride,...
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S5E24: Football S&C Prep Case Study with Michelle Boland
Michelle sits down with…herself and takes you through a summer program for a D1 Football athlete. In this episode, she discusses how to find a balance between preparing an athlete for a D1 Football S&C program, testing expectations, and pre-season while maintaining your own training principles....
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S5E23: Top 5 Golf Specific Training Strategies with Dr. Mike Camporini
Michelle sits down with one of our most popular guests of the podcast, Dr. Mike Camporini, DPT to talk about weight room training strategies for golfers. In this episode, Mike breaks down the three major phases of the golf swing from the feet to the hips and how trainers can use the information…
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S5E22: Breath Book Review: Nasal Breathing Advantage
On today’s episode I help Tim out with a book review - Breath: The New Science of a Lost Art by James Nestor. In this episode expect to learn how nasal breathing can impact sleep, low and high intensity exercise, what practical strategies you can implement with yourself and your clientele to get…
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S5E21: Surgery Sucks; 5 Ways to Make It Suck Less
In this episode, we count down Dr. Tim’s top 5 recommendations for optimizing post-operative recovery. From the efficacy (?) of icing and maintaining the right mindset to challenging outdated time-based protocols, we break down what truly helps speed healing. We also explore the tactical use of...
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S5E20: Derek Hansen- Should ALL Runners Sprint?
What can distance runners learn from sprinters? Speed expert Derek Hansen joins us to break it down. We dive into his 10x10 protocol for hamstring recovery, the power of “up” vs. “push” in sprinting, and the balance between individualized mechanics and a universal technical model. Plus, why all...
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S5E19: Reframing 3 Narratives Holding Your Clients Back
On today’s episode Michelle and Tim explore narratives in the fitness industry that can both help facilitate change or create limitations. In this episode we discuss how your clients create stories around an identity, how you can help change those stories, how to supply your clients with evidence...
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S5E18: Sarah Scozzaro - Strength Training for the Endurance Athlete
On today’s episode Michelle RUNS through topics related to strength training for endurance athletes with Pro Coach Sarah Scozzaro. Sarah specializes in ultrarunning while both coaching athletes and competing in several 100 mile,100k and 50 mile events herself. On today’s episode, expect to learn...
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S5E17: Top 10 Business Mistakes for Trainers & Therapists - Money, Strategies, & Having a Vision
On today’s episode Michelle and Tim sit down to hash out past business mistakes, lessons, and advice for other fitness pros and physical therapists. We love diving down biomechanical rabbit holes and talking about exercise selection for hours, but if you aren’t creating a successful business your...
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S5E16: Adam Loiacono on NBA life & Scaling Specificity
On today’s episode Michelle sits down with Adam Loiacono, owner of Loiacono Performance Therapy in Scottsdale, AZ. Adam has over 15 years of experience providing rehabilitation and performance training to professional & youth athletes. His career includes reaching the NBA Finals with the Phoenix...
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S5E15: Lance Goyke on Gorillas, Kangaroos, and Debugging Humans
Back almost 3 years after his first appearance on More Train, Less Pain, Lance Goyke rejoins Tim to talk simplifying velocity based-training, designing workouts for busy people, leaving the (full time) fitness industry, and *most importantly* best pop punk albums of the 2000s. Listen, subscribe,...
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S5E14: Ryan Patrick on Speed Training Strategies for All
On today’s episode Michelle gets PEAK FAST with Ryan Patrick, owner of Peak Fitness & Sports Training in Erlanger, Kentucky. On today’s episode, expect to learn how Ryan realized that max strength wasn’t translating into speed, why you shouldn’t rush progress with youth athletes, how to avoid…
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S5E13: David Grey on Curiosity, “What Tends to Work”, & Accuracy of Movement
Michelle steals David Grey as a guest on the podcast from Tim’s lineup and talks about his curiosity, decision making, and how he prescribes his knowledge. On today’s episode expect to learn how David helps his clients interpret their problems, the best strategies for learning, why simplicity is...
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S5E12: Coaching Cues We Hate
Michelle and Tim discuss their top three most hated coaching cues. Coaching cues are meant to anchor an exercise, provide a focal point, and represent intent. Cues aren’t meant to be applied to all, so Michelle and Tim dial in on when and why to use specific cues. In this episode expect to learn...
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S5E11: 100 Mile Ultramarathon Plan with Michelle Boland
Michelle sits down with…herself and takes you through her 100 mile ultramarathon goal. In this episode, she discusses why she is pursuing this goal, her nine-month macro programming plan, her pre-race schedule, training considerations and variables, and why comparing yourself to an elite athlete…
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S5E10: Angus Bradley on GPP, the BPS Model, and Creating Lifelong Fitness Enthusiasts
Michelle and Tim have talked about this a fair amount on recent podcasts but if you’re someone, like them, who tends to go pretty deep down biomechanical rabbit holes there’s a tendency to “lose sight” of what we love about fitness and rehab in the first place. When Tim starts to feel that...
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S5E9: Joel Smith on Building Elastic Runners and Maintaining the Stoke
Joining the Mount Rushmore of multiple-time More Train, Less Pain guests, Joel Smith hops on the mic with Tim for a wide-ranging conversation about training, learning, and life. Topics include; “How would you meaningfully improve endurance running performance without any additional running or...
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S5E8: Chris Wicus on Hucking Discs, Restoring Hip Extension, & Translating Billspeak
Chris Wicus is a health and performance professional with 18 years of experience, a former professional ultimate frisbee player, and a 2nd degree black belt in karate. He’s coached a wide variety of athletes across 17 sports and has been mentored by many top experts in the field, including Bill...
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S5E7: Foot Training Keys with Tim & Michelle
Tim takes the interview seat and answers questions from Michelle about all things foot training; normal foot mechanics, when things go wrong, solutions, and practical strategies for different foot presentations. In this episode expect to learn normal mechanics of the foot during each phase of…
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S5E6: Marathon Running: Applying the Science with Jonah Rosner
Michelle sits down with Jonah Rosner, to put science over hype. Jonah and Michelle have known each other for many years and recently, both have swallowed the running pill. In this episode they discuss lessons from their practical experiences, the biggest factors in successful marathon training,...
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S5E5: Top 3 Mistakes Runners Make with Foot Training & Practical Replacement Strategies
Tim and Michelle calf raise their way through the TOP 3 MISTAKES RUNNERS make with foot training. In this episode you can expect to learn why calf raises are overrated, why toe gripping should be avoided, why balance training and unstable surfaces should be thrown out with the bathwater, how to...
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S5E4: Sport Specificity & Athlete Management with the OG Mike Robertson
Michelle sits down with podcast king himself, Mike Robertson to talk about the difference between training high performance athletes and gen pop clients. In this episode, they discuss coaching as educating, creating your own timelines for progression, management strategies for athletes, defining...
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S5E3: CNS, Organ Mobility, & Pelvic Floor Influences on Movement Dr. Sarah Coulombe
Michelle sits down with Dr. Sarah Coulombe, DPT, CSCS, CPT to talk about central nervous system and organ mobility influences on movement. In this episode, they discuss Sarah’s approach to assessment, identifying tension, creating a state of awareness in clients, structural changes during...
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S5E2: Training Adaptations and Sport Specificity with Dr. Mike Camporini
Michelle sits down with Dr. Mike Camporini, DPT to talk about the difference between specificity for training and the transfer of training. In this episode, expect to learn about actual training adaptations vs. abstract concepts, why strength isn’t an adaptation, reverse engineering adaptations...
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S5E1: The 3 Mistakes Runners Make with Core Training
Michelle and Tim CRUNCH our way into Season 5 with a big hitting topic - core training for runners. In this episode, we discuss the following topics - why you should include the diaphragm and pelvic floor in your definition of the CORE, athletes needing gradients of tension, the definition of...
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S4E25: Biggest Takeaways from Season 4
Sit down with Michelle and Tim as they discuss their biggest takeaways from Season 4, exploring specific preparation strategies for specific activities. In this episode, they discuss gym work for injury prevention, how the magic of programming is in the feedback, the value of unstructured…
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S4E24: Treating & Training BJJ Players
More Train, Less Pain brings its arc on Brazilian Jiu Jitsu to a close- Tim (with newly functional vocal chords) hops on the mic solo to discuss key takeaways from both BJJ guests and how a strength coach or physical therapist ought to think about *actually* managing this population. What…
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S4E23: BJJ Gumbys and Gorillas with Jon Pope
Tim welcomes his second guest of More Train, Less Pain’s arc on Brazilian Jiu Jitsu; Jon Pope of Building the Elite. Jon is a former competitive BJJ player with a wealth of knowledge in program design. They get into the 3 basic archetypes of BJJ players and how to train each in the gym, the role…
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S4E22: Zen and The Art of Choke Submissions with Margaret Randolph
Tim sits down (on the gym floor, literally) with Margaret Randolph, owner of Ethos Colorado Training Center; Brazilian Jiu Jitsu player and coach of numerous BJJ athletes of all levels to continue More Train, Less Pain’s deep dive into the fine art of grappling, arm bars, and wrestling pajamas....
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S4E21: Tim Grapples with Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Our final 4 episode arc of Season 4 is here, this time focusing on Brazilian Jiu Jitsu! After a brief life/travel/learning recap, Tim dives right in to the topic du jour, covering sundry jiu jitsu content such as what the deal is with BJJ pajamas (the “Gi”), what is means to “pass someone’s…
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S4E20: Hip Replacement at 33
On today's episode, Michelle and Tim talk about his decision to move forward with hip surgery. Join us as we provide insight into the patient experience and how to stay fit in pain. During the episode we also discuss elements of mastery, three months of physical therapy outcomes for Tim, changing...
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S4E19: Pickleball Training & Preparation
Michelle and Tim review movement, sport skills, lifting strategies, and mobility drills for Pickleball. We tackle training and preparation strategies such as the usefulness of the “agility” ladder, creating a safe motor learning environment, forward orientation leading to Achilles and anterior…
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S4E18: The Pickleball Boom with Jem Morris
This episode’s a little different- as opposed to our typical biomechanical deep dives into the minutiae of hip rotation and shin angle changes, we’re joined by someone who’s coming at this cycle’s activity du jour (pickleball) from an experiential and play-based standpoint. Paired excellently…
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S4E17: Pickleball for the Aging Adult with Lee Taft
Michelle steps into the speed cave with legendary coach Lee Taft to break down the skills and performance demands of Pickleball. They dial in their conversation to the unique considerations for the aging adult such as elasticity and fluidity limitations, using rehearsed vs. reactive drills,...
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S4E16: Pickleball- Performance demands, designing training, & considerations for the aging adult
On today's episode, Michelle and Tim ACE all things Pickleball. The sport of Pickleball has EXPLODED and your clients are getting involved, so what do you need to know to arm yourself with the best training strategies? Well, we are here to help. Join us as we PADDLE on performance demands…
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S4E15: Running UP Mountains - Michelle reviews Swiss Alps 100, ultrarunning, and specificity
Michelle goes solo to recap her Swiss Alps 100 Endurance Run experience. After months of training, she shares the lessons learned and the biggest takeaways - doing things for yourself, widening your spectrum of perspective, having skin in the game, the validity in athletic experience for…
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The More Train, Less Pain podcast is hosted by Dr. Michelle Boland and Dr. Tim Richardt and is specifically designed around engineering the adaptable athlete. The podcast will bring you the most knowledgeable guests in the fields of strength and conditioning and physical therapy, as well as episodes consisting of topic “deep-dives”. Our aim is to elevate YOUR understanding as a movement professional, to give you the knowledge, and the tools to deliver an even better service to your people, whoever they may be.
HOSTED BY
Dr. Michelle Boland & Dr. Tim Richardt
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