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Are you also feeling complex feelings about America, our history of violence as a country, our current fascist leadership, and our fear and hope for what’s to come this 4th of July? Join us as we talk to author, activist, musician and founder of Vote Common Good Doug Paggit. Doug leads us through this honest conversation on working for change together, mourning all that’s been, and building an America we can all belong to. Show Notes:Vote Common GoodDoug PagittEsther’s Army - Katie Giddini Let America be America by Langston Hughes Documentary - Cross Country Bike Ride “Whose the We”Key TopicsExpansive view of Christianity and faithThe role of stories in shaping identityPatriotism and its personal natureThe importance of community and inclusionThe intersection of faith and politicsStories of connection across political dividesThe history of America and its narrativesThe work of Vote Common GoodChapters00:50 Exploring Identity and Belonging in America03:31 The Emergence of Progressive Christianity06:43 The Divine Dance: Understanding Community and Theology09:38 Navigating Political Identity and Faith12:45 The Role of Ancestors and Mentorship in Activism15:35 The Intersection of Faith and Politics18:36 Reimagining the American Narrative21:18 The Power of Storytelling in Social Change23:59 Building a More Inclusive Community26:40 The Journey of Vote Common Good29:46 Engaging in Meaningful Conversations32:44 The Importance of Listening and Understanding35:15 Finding Inspiration in Historical Movements38:11 The Collective We: Expanding Our Understanding of Community42:00 A Modern Good Samaritan Encounter45:23 The Dilemmas of American Identity48:26 Navigating Political Conversations in Faith Communities56:34 The Complexity of Patriotism01:01:34 Embracing Diversity in American Identity

Thank you for joining us for our season 3 finale episode! We’ve had a lovely and winding 3rd season. We’ve chatted with authors, poets, scientists, naturalists, sex therapists, spiritual directors, artists and more to explore the true meaning of reciprocity. We end the season with reflection, presence, and connection. We invite you to join us over on Substack as we take a break from recording for the summer and to find us at Wild Goose Festival from September 4th-6th in Harmony North Carolina. We appreciate you dear listeners and will be back this fall with a new season, new stories, and new ways of exploring our sacred roots. It’s just the two of us here at Radical Sacred and it helps us out a lot when you rate and review the pod and share it with like minded folks! Show Notes: Radical Sacred on SubstackRadical Sacred on YoutubeRadical Sacred on InstagramRadical Sacred at Wild GooseRadical Sacred WebsiteRadical Sacred Sounds of Summer PlaylistOur Lady of the Garden by Pádraig Ó TuamaKey Topics:Reciprocity in nature and societySystemic imbalance and economic exploitationThe role of creativity and community in social changeEnvironmental sustainability and water usageThe impact of wealth and inequality on societySpiritual practices and inner reflectionThe importance of vulnerability and honest communityImagining a world beyond capitalismThe significance of joy and whimsy amidst chaosThe season's journey of inward and outward reflectionChapters00:50 The Poetic Reflection on Life's Journey01:56 Celebrating Season Three and Themes of Reciprocity04:09 Exploring the Concept of Reciprocity06:25 Reciprocity in Economic Systems and Social Services09:15 The Impact of Wealth Disparity and Extraction Economy10:59 Environmental Concerns and the Balance of Nature13:03 The Call for Action and Collective Responsibility15:13 Creativity and Individual Uniqueness in Challenging Times20:37 Finding Joy Amidst Imbalance and Struggles25:31 The Cycle of Life: Death and Renewal28:45 Imagining a Better Future Through Creativity33:26 Exploring Spirituality and Nature37:46 The Power of Community and Reciprocity41:06 Creative Collaboration and Vulnerability46:09 Reflections on Meaningful Conversations53:43 The Journey of Connection and Growth

We go on an imaginative journey with Kate Thomas, a UX strategist, visual designer, and artist who lets curiosity guide her work and her life's path. Kate’s way of being is rooted in her deep spirituality, love of nature, and enjoying the wonder of every day. What can we learn about ourselves and the holiness that calls to us when we take time to listen to the quiet still voice within and to follow the sound of our own genuine? We invite you into creativity, yearning, and honoring your sacred time and your sacred self in this lovely episode with the lovely Creative Kate. Show Notes:FigmaSabrina Ward HarrisonArt Farm in AnnapolisCreative Kate Website@thiscreativekate : check out her pinned post about creating pockets of hopeMorning Poem by Mary Oliver Wild Goose Festival Key TopicsKate's journey from graphic design to UX and art coachingThe role of curiosity and play in creativityUsing art as a spiritual and self-discovery practiceThe metaphor of compost and chaos in growth and renewalThe importance of boredom and silence in creativityConnecting with nature and spiritual practicesChapters00:30 Morning Reflections: The Power of Poetry02:00 Introducing Kate Thomas: A Journey of Creativity08:45 The Role of Art in Childhood and Self-Discovery13:23 Curiosity as a Guiding Force20:22 Listening to the Sound of the Genuine22:30 Navigating Work-Life Balance and Creative Expression30:16 Faith and Upbringing: The Roots of Creativity34:56 The Importance of Boredom and Imagination43:39 Finding Beauty in Chaos: The Compost Metaphor49:13 Future Endeavors: Eco-Grief and Community Engagement

On this special Father’s Day episode of Radical Sacred we have the immense privilege of talking to Rev. William Lamar about his beautiful new book Ancestors: Those who Bless us, Curse us, and Hold us. Rev. Lamar talks to us about the importance of intimately knowing and calling upon our ancestors, the perfect memory that water holds, how to listen to the still small voice within us, and the importance of silence, nature, and music. Sitting with Bill for this episode was a profound blessing and we always leave our time with him awake, aware, and more alive. We invite you to check out this fabulous episode and dive deep into the ancestors inviting you back to your truest selves. Show Notes:Ancestors: Those who Bless us, Curse us, and Hold us by William Lamar Metropolitan African Methodist Episcopal Church in Washington, DC I am my Ancestors’ by TaRessa Stovall The DC Church that beat the Proud Boys in Court now Owns Their NameKey TopicsThe biblical transfiguration story as a metaphor for ancestral engagementWater as a symbol of perfect memory and spiritual renewalThe internal journey of self-discovery and internal cartographyThe role of music and storytelling in connecting with ancestorsResurrection as a cosmic and ecological process of renewalChapters00:30 The Legacy of Ancestors02:56 Introduction to Reverend William H. Lamar IV05:41 The Importance of Ancestors in Faith07:29 Writing the Book: A Personal Journey11:19 The Transfiguration and Ancestral Connections16:00 Water as a Symbol of Memory22:18 The Role of Music in Spiritual Life28:05 Distraction and the Inner Music33:16 Finding Connection in Nature42:22 Bumping Into Oneself: The Inward Journey47:06 The Role of Ancestors in Our Lives54:56 Living Resurrection: A Poetic Invitation01:05:44 Father's Day Reflections and Ancestral Connections

In this timely episode we visit with the author of Strangers in the Province of Joy: Practicing Radical Hospitality at the US-Mexico Border, Mary Fontana. While in college Mary began a 20+ year relationship with Annunciation House in El Paso which houses and provides care for migrants. This book is all about the important work of Annunciation House, its surprising and tender beginnings, and about the root causes that lead to people leaving their home countries. We talk about liberation theology, the United States complicity in the instability in Central America, and what we can all do to better love our neighbor as ourselves.  Show Notes:Strangers in the Province of Joy: Practicing Radical Hospitality at the US-Mexico Border Mary Fontana’s Website Annunciation House A Prayer of Shelter and Shadow by Pádraig ó TuamaKey Topics:The origins and history of Annunciation HouseThe concept of radical hospitality and its importanceRoot causes of migration including US foreign policy and climate changeThe role of personal relationships and presence in service workThe intersection of faith, justice, and activism in immigrationThe ongoing legal challenges faced by organizations like Annunciation HouseThe importance of education and awareness in changing perceptionsThe spiritual and contemplative practices that sustain service workChapters00:30 A Prayer for Shelter and Community02:35 Introducing Mary Fontana and Her Work05:15 The Role of Annunciation House10:02 Understanding Borders: Geographic and Internal13:08 Migration as an Earth Right17:52 Root Causes of Migration22:07 Climate Change and Migration26:51 The Politics of Immigration and Othering31:39 Emergency Response and Human Connection34:17 The Founders' Wisdom and Open-Heartedness38:55 The Role of Contemplation in Service43:56 Balancing Presence and Productivity48:49 Justice and Mercy in Hospitality52:10 Spreading Awareness Through Storytelling54:15 Radical Hospitality Defined58:57 Facing Political Challenges with Resilience

We enjoyed this fabulous conversation with Stephen Lazarus! Stephen is the Literary Manager for the Henri Nouwen Legacy Trust and the editor of Encountering Henri: The Living Legacy of Henri Nouwen. We visit about how earnestly and honestly Henri Nouwen lived his life and how impactful and invitational his way of being was. We invite you to live fully and in the spirit of Henri today and everyday! “It is by being awake to God in us that we can increasingly see God in the world around us.” Show NotesEncountering Henri: The Living Legacy of Henri Nouwen Cardus NexGen programHenry Nouwen Legacy TrustComment MagazineRobert and Margaret Jonas - Reviving CreationSubstackCheck out Jenny's weekly reflection on the episode on our Substack.Key TopicsHenry Nowen's impact on spiritual lifeThe concept of woundedness and healingDivine invitations and unexpected encountersHenry Nowen's influence on peacemaking and justiceThe importance of authentic identity in faithChapters00:30 The Poetic Introduction to Love02:38 Introducing Stephen Lazarus and His Journey04:37 Encountering Henry Nowen: A Personal Connection08:06 Who Was Henry Nowen?10:04 The Humanity of Henry Nowen16:00 Divine Invitations Through Henry's Work20:47 The Communion of Saints and Connection to Ancestors24:13 Contemplating Memories of Henry28:47 Surprising Stories from the Book30:37 Embracing Our Imperfections34:25 Awakening to the Divine34:59 The Meandering Path to Home39:21 Engaging with the Common Good43:55 Wounded vs. Broken: A Theological Perspective49:03 Finding Identity in a Polarized World

We had a lovely conversation with the author of Girl in a Box, Paldrom Collins! Paldrom’s memoir walks us through her early days as a young woman who is seeking her own path in Oklahoma to her time in a Tibetan Buddhist Monastery in New York. Paldrom’s path is winding, full of wisdom, compassion, and the most surprising twists and turns. We enjoyed this insightful and honest chat about following yearning and trusting self. Show Notes:Only Breath by Rumipaldrom.com Girl in a Box by: Paldrom Collins How the Worst Day of My Life Became the Best by: Andrea Gibson TakeawaysFollowing your inner knowing can lead to unexpected paths and growthRitual and repetition serve as somatic practices that deepen spiritual awarenessNon-dualism emphasizes interconnectedness beyond dualistic thinkingReciprocity is rooted in the natural interconnectedness of all lifeEmbracing resistance and difficulty can hone spiritual resilienceChapters00:30 Transforming Pain into Art02:36 The Journey of Becoming Findable03:34 The Call to Write: A Spiritual Journey06:59 Exploring Spiritual Backgrounds09:23 The Meandering Path of Spirituality12:46 Rituals and Repetition in Spiritual Practice18:04 Interfaith Dialogues: Buddhism and Christianity22:02 The Quest for Acceptance and Worthiness26:11 Understanding Tibetan Buddhism's Teachings30:34 Navigating Dualism and Non-Dualism32:40 Reciprocity in Spiritual Journeys34:39 The Knowing Beyond Knowing37:23 Embracing the Unknown42:22 Yearning and Creativity45:12 Responding to Suffering in the World47:31 The Ongoing Story of Life51:04 Finding Shelter in Each Other's Stories

This week our minds are blown and our hearts are expanded by Day Schildkret, author, artist and teacher behind the Morning Altars movement, who inspires tens of thousands of people to make life more beautiful and meaningful through ritual, nature and art. Day talks to us about ritual, meaning making, presence, beauty, remembering, curiosity and more in this gorgeous conversation.Show Notes: Morning AltarsDay’s Books and ArtTeacher Training Day’s Instagram Grief Ritual SeriesKey TopicsThe origin story of Morning Altars and its healing modalityThe role of thresholds and thresholds in personal transformationThe importance of meaning making and ritual in everyday lifeReciprocity and the back-and-forth of giving and receivingThe relationship between vulnerability, nature, and ritualChapters00:30 The Power of Ritual and Nature01:44 Thresholds and Transitions in Life10:32 Meaning Making Through Creativity14:46 Rituals: Boundaries and Simplicity18:21 Cultural Challenges to Rituals22:12 Personal Journey with Rituals23:48 Exploring Sacred Ground and Relationships27:56 The Concept of Reciprocity in Rituals32:35 Vulnerability and Connection with Nature36:45 Grief and the Role of Ritual41:30 Grief as an Invitation to Transformation44:51 Creating Alternative Spaces in a Capitalist World

Erica Smith, Sex Educator and author of the Purity Culture Recovery Guide joins us today on the pod! Erica’s invitational and open hearted writing explores the harms of Purity Culture and gives pathways to healing for those of us raised in it. Erica is a wealth of shame free sex information and this book is a must read for all people seeking a healthy, open hearted relationship to their bodies and their sexuality. Show Notes:The Purity Culture Recovery Guide by Erica Smith Linda Kay Klein Pure: Inside the Evangelical Movement That Shamed a Generation of Young Women and How I Broke FreeNetflix Documentary - Trust Me: The False ProphetPurityculturedropout.comErica’s InstagramKey TopicsImpact of Purity Culture on SexualityHealing from Religious ShameSexual Rights and AutonomyCreating Safe Spaces for HealingMen's Group and VulnerabilityChapters00:10 The Power of Love Poetry02:45 Introducing Erica Smith: A Journey into Sex Education04:30 From Casual Christianity to Sex Education10:38 Understanding Purity Culture: A Deep Dive13:00 The Impact of Purity Culture on Relationships17:02 The Broader Effects of Purity Culture20:52 Healing from Shame: The Purity Culture Dropout Program27:24 Creating a Safe Space for Conversations27:52 The Birth of the Purity Culture Recovery Guide30:18 Responses to the Book: A Positive Reception33:01 The Sexual Bill of Rights: Empowering Individuals33:05 Understanding Sexual Rights and Respect35:41 The Importance of Men's Groups39:33 Exploring Vulnerability in Masculinity43:41 Forgiveness and Healing in Masculinity47:24 Inviting Others Out of Purity Culture51:00 The Benefits of Healthy Sexuality

Fabulous time today visiting with authors Adrienne Gibson and Scot McKnight on their new book Traumatized Church: What Paul's Relationship with the Corinthian Church Teaches Us About Helping Those Who are Hurting. Adrienne brings the perspective of a licensed therapist and Scot the knowledge of a New Testament scholar and together they have written a really hopeful and informative book on trauma, the church, Paul and the Corinthians, and on individual and collective healing. A must listen for anyone working in the church or who loves the church! Show Notes:Paul and Thecla from 2nd centuryTraumatized ChurchValor Counseling - Adrienne’s Practice in Mesa, Arizona Scot Mcknight on SubstackScot’s booksKey TopicsTrauma in the church and its impactPaul's vulnerability and trauma as a leaderTrauma-informed and trauma-sensitive church practicesChapters00:00 The Peace of Wild Things02:06 Introducing the Authors and Their Journey09:31 Understanding Trauma11:47 The Church as a Traumatic Space15:45 Becoming Trauma-Informed19:16 Transforming Pain: Insights from Paul and the Corinthians27:57 Understanding Paul's Humanity30:46 The Impact of Trauma on Leadership35:47 The Role of Pastors in Modern Churches41:34 Breaking the Cycle of Harm in Churches45:25 The Importance of Trauma Awareness in Ministry

Today on the pod sisters, co-authors, and co-founders of Wild Church Network and The Center for Wild Spirituality Valerie Luna Serrels and Victoria Loorz join us in sacred conversation. In this lovely conversation we visit about unlearning patriarchal ways of being, the importance of deep noticing, the reemergence of reciprocal relationships with the human and more than human world, and the mycelial network that connects us all. This is such an important and expansive conversation for the wild times we find ourselves in! Show Notes:Margaret Wheatley - Using Emergence to Take Social Innovation to ScaleDean Radin, PhD - IONSThe AI Doc: Or How I Became an Apocaloptimist The Great AI Unraveling: Tristan Harris on Sounds of SANDThe Holy Wild PodcastWild Church NetworkWild Church OnlineWhy I Should Hike Every Day No Matter What by Rosemerry Wahtola TrommerKey TopicsThe roots and growth of the Center for Wild Spirituality and Wild Church NetworkThe paradigm shift towards interconnectedness and emergence in spiritualityThe biomimicry and feminist principles guiding wild church structuresThe role of love, love as awareness, and sacred reciprocity in transformationScience and spirituality: understanding the impact of consciousness on the physical worldThe importance of community, unlearning, and vulnerability in spiritual evolutionChapters00:00 The Power of Nature and Freedom03:49 Introduction to the Wild Church Network06:54 Roots of the Center for Wild Spirituality09:42 Emergence and Community Building12:32 Biomimicry and Networking15:27 The Role of Feminine Leadership18:37 The Importance of Listening and Awareness21:25 Love and Change in the World24:11 Worldview Shift and Sacred Reciprocity27:24 Personal Journeys of Undoing30:06 The Journey of Trust and Passion36:42 Navigating Personal Struggles and Community Support39:07 The Journey of Acceptance and Grief43:45 Understanding Burnout and Resilience47:28 The Sacredness of Life's Challenges50:29 Awareness and Renewal in the Face of Grief54:51 Emerging Futures and the Balance of Hope and Grief58:47 Choosing Love Amidst Uncertainty

We were so honored to speak with the author of Everything is a Story Kaitlin Curtice! Kaitlin is a an award-winning author, poet-storyteller, public speaker, and enrolled citizen of the Potawatomi nation. Today she walks us through the importance of the stories we tell ourselves, rewriting the stories we’ve been told that we’ve outgrown, and telling new stories about community and connection to ourselves, to the land, and to one another. Join us as we dive deep this week into stories, imagination, and hope amidst collapse. Show Notes:Substack - Liminality JournalEverything is a StoryKaitlin’s InstagramDon’t Bother the Earth Spirit by: Joy HarjoTakeawaysStories are time capsules that evolve with us, reflecting our growth.Grief is a sacred space that, when embraced, can lead to profound healing.Imagination is a vital tool for envisioning a better world and living beyond our limitations.Connecting with ancestors and the earth provides guidance and strength.Healing stories require patience, presence, and a willingness to face discomfort.Chapters00:00 The Power of Storytelling04:02 Childhood Narratives and Personal Growth12:20 Healing Through Reflection and Connection17:46 Catalysts for Change and Presence23:51 Collective Stories and Community Healing27:55 Healing Through Grief and Community31:18 The Role of Imagination in Writing36:07 Wisdom of Midlife Transitions41:47 Navigating Edges: Pleasure, Risk, and Pain47:35 Fear and Failure as Invitations50:27 Claiming Words as Medicine

Conservation ecologist and writer Dr. Andrea Adams joins us on the pod today! We chat about nature, spirituality, finding new pathways as life shifts in unexpected ways, and hope that's rooted in action during these uncertain times. Andrea brings depth, honesty, and reminders of nature's reciprocity and endless invitations in our conversation and through her lovely Substack Hopecology. Show notes:Dr. Andrea Adams Website Hopecology Christ the Yogi: A Hindu Reflection on the Gospel of John How Dark the Beginning by Maggie Smith Key TopicsThe role of hope in ecological and personal resilienceThe intersection of science, spirituality, and indigenous knowledgeTransformative experiences and personal growth after traumaThe importance of doubt and humility in scientific practicePractical actions for hope and care in ecologyChapters00:00 The Dark and the Light: A Poetic Introduction02:47 Introducing Dr. Andrea Adams: A Journey of Hope and Ecology06:43 The Birth of Hopecology: From Trauma to Transformation10:25 Spirituality and Personal Evolution: A Complex Relationship18:37 Finding Hope Amidst Environmental Collapse24:19 Transformation Through Adversity: Embracing the Roar34:54 Embracing Your Strange Path36:00 Navigating the Edges of Comfort38:39 The Nature of Science and Intellectual Humility46:28 Reciprocity Between Science and Spirituality54:10 Hope as Action in Ecology01:01:32 Learning from Nature: Biomimicry and Reciprocity

Today is Radical Sacred’s 100th Episode! Hard to believe we’ve spent 100 hours conversing with artists, theologians, poets, authors, naturalists and more over the past 2.5 years. Each conversation has been a joy and has served as an invitation to a deeper knowing of self and the world around us. Friend of the pod Melissa Fritchle who is a Holistic Psychotherapist and Spiritual Counselor, a Wild guide with Center for Wild Spirituality and co-founder of Intimate with the Moon and Soil and the author of The Conscious Sexual Self Workbook and the substack Soul Entwined with Earth, interviews us about all the lovely inner workings of Radical Sacred. We loved talking with her about intimacy, our hopes, our roots, and more in this special episode. Thank you for listening to us, for journeying with us, and for your support! There is no Radical Sacred without our community of listeners and friends and we are grateful for you! Show NotesRadical Sacred Substack Radical Sacred Website Radical Sacred on YoutubeMelissa Fritchle’s WebsiteMelissa’s Substack - Soul Entwined with Earth Intimate with the Moon and Soil - Melissa’s new venture!On Friendship by Khalil GibranKey TopicsThe origin of the podcast and its focus on deep, rooted conversationsThe importance of vulnerability and authenticity in spiritual spacesThe role of nature and interconnectedness in personal growthChapters00:00 The Essence of Friendship02:31 Celebrating 100 Episodes05:36 The Journey of Radical Sacred13:03 The Dynamics of Friendship17:02 Vulnerability in Conversations30:47 Transformative Beliefs and Worldviews35:12 The Journey of Transformation35:59 Attention and Intention in Pilgrimage37:34 Memorable Conversations and Surprising Insights39:07 The Impact of Connections and Community40:59 Navigating Change and Personal Growth42:44 The Role of Community in Times of Crisis44:18 Interconnectedness and Collective Hope47:34 Radical Sacred: Embracing Change53:19 Looking Ahead: Future Conversations and Themes

Today we are blessed to chat with Sister Lynne Smith, Amy Alstad, Everline Jeruto, and Mary David Walgenbach of Holy Wisdom Monastery of Madison, Wisconsin. Holy Wisdom is an Ecumenical Benedictine Community that is known for their land restoration, love of the earth, and love of all people. We chat about restoration of land, reciprocity in the natural world, deep connections, and welcoming humans and the more than human world as if they were Christ. We were so inspired by the work of Holy Wisdom and know you will be too!Show Notes:Holy Wisdom MonasteryFacebookInstagramYouTubeMidday Prayer StreamRegal Fritillary Butterfly How Would You Live Then by: Mary OliverKey TopicsEcumenical Benedictine communityLand restoration and prairie plantingEcological listening and biomimicryCommunity, justice, and hospitalityRenewable energy and net zero goalsChapters01:00 The Beauty of Nature and Reflection02:01 Introduction to Holy Wisdom Monastery05:25 The Heartbeat of Holy Wisdom Monastery13:04 Listening to the Land19:09 Towards a Sustainable Future21:02 Funding and Community Engagement22:51 Welcoming All: A Benedictine Approach26:19 Restoration and Ecological Hospitality33:05 Modeling Community and Reciprocity40:39 Cultural Exchange and Learning43:40 Finding Joy in Nature47:58 Retreats: A Space for Reflection51:28 Hopes for the Future

Rev. Dr. Shively Smith joins us on the pod today! Shively is a professor, author, speaker, lover of water, mom, and avid gamer who visits with us about Howard Thurman, the new testament, guides, ancestors, listening to the small voice within and much more. Join us as we learn to navigate all that is before us and walk that strange path that leads us to our truest selves. Show Notes:Fisk UniversityHoward Thurman - Meditations of the HeartGreg Ellison - Anchors in the Spirit and Fearless DialoguesHoward Thurman - With Head and HeartRenita J. Weems - Just a Sister Away: A Womanist Vision of Women’s Relationships in the BibleShively Smith - Strangers to Family: Diaspora and 1 Peter’s Invention of God’s HouseholdUnion Combined Parish - Boston, MAShively Smith - Reading Howard Thurman: His Practice of Interpretation Through Womanist EyesImagesofinterpreation.com shivelysmith.com Key TopicsWater as a spiritual practice and source of clarityHoward Thurman's influence on faith and justiceThe role of biblical interpretation in social justiceThe significance of the unnamed in biblical storiesCourage and openness in encountering guides and strangersChapters00:00 The Power of Grief and Nature's Call03:01 Introducing Shively Smith: Scholar and Gamer08:11 The Significance of Water in Spirituality11:37 Howard Thurman: A Personal Connection15:14 Thurman's Integration of Inner and Outer Life19:42 The Journey of a Biblical Scholar25:48 The Role of Mentorship and Ancestral Guidance32:12 Courage in Divided Times34:22 The Journey to New Testament Scholarship38:52 Engaging with First Peter41:48 Interpreting Biblical Texts Through a Modern Lens48:15 From Mercy to Justice55:04 The Art of Interpretation and Awakening

Today we are joined by David Dault as we dive into his new book The Accessorized Bible. David is an author, professor at Loyola University, award-winning screenwriter, media producer, consultant, podcaster and radio host. We chat about his book which includes beautiful passages on James Baldwin, loving with intention, bringing our own moral lens to the bible, and more! This is a fascinating and wide-ranging conversation. We are grateful for David and his invitation to look more in depth: at our own souls, at the ways we interpret the bible, and at the ways we connect to others.  Show Notes:Substack - David Dault is writing thingsThe Accessorized Bible The Francis Effect PodcastThings Not Seen: Conversations About Culture and FaithDavid at Loyola University Karl Rahner banana essay - Theology of FreedomThe Good PlaceHannah Arendt - On ViolenceAn Octopus has Three Whole Hearts by: Joy Sullivan Key TopicsThe metaphor of the Bible as an accessory versus a rulebookThe importance of moral seriousness and slow reflectionThe concept of takun olam (repairing the world)The role of love and responsiveness in faith and relationshipsThe impact of technology on empathy and storytellingChapters01:00 The Heart of an Octopus: A Poetic Introduction02:01 David Dalt: A Multifaceted Journey03:00 The Evolution of a Career: From Music to Academia05:59 Things Not Seen: Conversations on Culture and Faith10:44 Navigating Faith in a Polarized World14:45 The Bible: A Tool for Good or Evil?20:10 The Accessorized Bible: Purpose and Timing26:17 Moral Seriousness: Slowing Down to Reflect30:52 Technology and Its Ethical Implications32:02 Exploring Technology and Power Dynamics34:32 The Role of Narrative in Repairing the World37:43 The Impact of Technology on Empathy38:56 Transcending Technique in Art and Life43:22 The Bible: A Source of Questions and Insights47:14 Influences and Ancestry in Thought51:49 Catastrophic Love and Institutional Challenges59:30 The Intention to Love in Relationships

Rev. Jim Keat of The Riverside Church joins us this week to talk about creating intimate spaces and reciprocal relationships online. Jim is a runner, digital creator and pastor who views the internet as a vast opportunity for connection, care, and transformation. This conversation is a lovely reminder of the power of community on site or online. Show Notes:Riverside Churchjimkeat.comThe Convergence Network @revjimrunsBible in a MinuteJim’s SubstackImagination by Assata Shakur Key TopicsEmbodiment in digital spacesCreating intimacy onlineNavigating online critique and negativityEthics of technology in faith communitiesBuilding reciprocal relationships in digital spacesChapters00:00 The Power of Belief and Affirmation02:32 Introducing Jim Keat: Digital Ministry Innovator04:05 Navigating Digital Spaces in Ministry05:42 Redefining Digital vs. Physical Experiences10:12 Creating Intimate Online Spaces for Ministry12:03 Fostering Connection in Digital Gatherings15:12 Mindfulness and Running: A Personal Journey18:05 Nature's Lessons for Digital Engagement20:07 Noticing the Present: A Mindful Approach24:03 Inhabiting Spaces: The Contrast of City and Small Town26:28 Navigating Progressive Faith in Small Towns30:03 Creating a Liberative Church Experience31:33 Handling Online Critiques and Community Engagement35:07 The Role of Technology in Building Relationships38:33 Experiencing Reciprocity in Digital Spaces43:17 Ethics of Technology and Digital Ministry49:12 Addressing Global Issues and Personal Heartbreak

We had the loveliest of conversations with writer, journalist, and rhetorician, Christine Tracy on her new book Just Trust Life: A Journey with Teilhard de Chardin. Her book and our conversation are about Teilhard, but are both also deeply rooted in how he became a guide and a north star for Christine as she goes on a transcendent journey to find her truest self. What can we learn by letting go of fear and shame and learning to just trust life? We hope Teilhard and Christine inspire you to look within, to trust self, and to transcend. All you need is already within you. Show Notes:Christine's WebsiteJust Trust Life: A Journey with Teilhard de Chardin by: Christine Tracy Teilhard Project ScholarsThe Newsphere by: Christine TracySummer by Frank Weston BensonEmergency Family Assistance Association in Boulder Wilding by Rosemerry Wahtola TrommerQuestions to consider:How can embracing your inner wildness lead to a more authentic and fulfilling life? Reflect on moments when you felt most connected to your truest self and consider how you can incorporate more of these experiences into your daily life.In what ways can pain serve as a catalyst for personal growth and spiritual awakening?How does practicing love as a cosmic energy influence your interactions with others and the world around you? Practices to try:Dedicate time each week to engage with nature or activities that allow you to express your primal energy. This could be through hiking, dancing, or simply spending time withnature.When experiencing emotional or physical pain, take a moment to journal or meditate on what this pain is teaching you about your true nature. Use this practice to transform suffering into a lesson of resilience and love.Incorporate intentional acts of love into your daily routine. This could be as simple as smiling at a stranger, expressing gratitude, or sending positive energy to someone in need.Chapters00:00 Embracing the Wilderness Within02:51 The Journey with Teilhard06:40 Finding Authenticity and Being Seen12:21 Transcendence and Inner Connection18:01 The Noosphere and Collective Evolution23:38 Pain as a Teacher and Personal Power26:54 The Power of Presence and Love27:38 Art as a Catalyst for Connection30:19 Exploring the Energy of Love33:28 Reconnecting with the Self36:40 The Role of Ancestors in Our Journey39:23 Embracing Challenges and Enemies42:35 Envisioning a Better World50:32 Nature's Healing Influence52:56 The Wisdom of Trees and Water Blessings57:12 NEWCHAPTER

We are thrilled to speak with Lisa Sharon Harper, founder of Freedom Road, podcaster, public theologian, author, including the books Fortune: How Race Broke My Family And The World—And How To Repair It All, and The Very Good Gospel: How Everything Wrong Can be Made Right. In this wide ranging conversation Lisa shares with us her wisdom and her witness as we talk about the crises we face in our country and in the church and the hopes that can be found in knowing our history, love, community, and connection. Show Notes:Freedom RoadThe Truth Is - Lisa’s SubstackFortune: How Race Broke My Family and The World-And How to Repair It AllThe Very Good Gospel: How Everything Wrong Can Be Made Rightbell hooksToni Morrison - BelovedChapters00:00 The Essence of Identity and Respect01:55 Introducing Lisa Sharon Harper02:52 Journey Towards Shalom05:51 Understanding Shalom: More Than Just Peace19:30 Shalom Between Genders: A Deeper Exploration26:07 The Hebrew Concept of Perfection vs. Western Understanding35:59 The Practice of Love in Society39:42 Self-Love as a Foundation for Justice43:25 The Power of Love vs. Anger47:17 Decolonizing Faith and Ecclesiology59:27 Building Communities of Faith01:05:33 A Call to Action for Faith Leaders

This week we are joined by poet Rosemary Wahtola Trommer as she shares her journey of writing poetry daily, the role of nature in her work, and how grief has shaped her understanding of beauty and vulnerability. We discuss the integration of personal loss with the creative process, the importance of collaboration, and the power of poetry to express the inexpressible. Rosemary emphasizes the significance of being present in the moment and how poetry serves as a bridge to connect with our emotions and the world around us. Phil also makes his (tear filled) poetry debut.Show NotesRosemerry's WebsiteRosemerry's SubstackRosemerry's Albums: Dark Praise and Risking LoveRitual Appevermore.org Chapters00:00 The Power of Poetry and Vulnerability04:05 The Journey of Daily Writing13:06 Nature as Inspiration16:41 Integrating Beauty and Reality20:56 Celebrating Women Artists28:04 Collaboration and Creativity33:58 Finding Comfort in Poetry36:40 The Transformative Nature of Loss36:43 Embracing Grief as a Teacher44:58 The Intersection of Grief and Praise51:01 The Power of Poetry in Grief58:35 The Role of Art and Nature in Healing01:03:25 Sharing and Celebrating Creative Expressions01:06:58 NEWCHAPTER

We had a truly life giving conversation with Dr. Liza Rankow on her book Soul Medicine for a Fractured World: Healing, Justice, and the Path of Wholeness! Liza’s book is a gorgeous read and speaks on the importance of deep soul healing, both/and thinking, community care,the gifts that can come from our struggles, awe, and having our hearts broken open. We loved this chat and will be thinking about it for a long time to come! Show Notes:Soul Medicine for a Fractured World: Healing, Justice, and the Path of WholenessLiza Rankow Website Liza’s SubstackNow is the Time by Hafiz Chapters00:00 Invitation to lenten practice02:37 Introducing Dr. Liza Rankow04:02 Navigating Wilderness Times07:38 Understanding Nopantla: The In-Between Space10:35 The Duality of Tomb and Womb14:23 Mysticism and Social Activism20:19 The Gift of Pain and Vulnerability24:26 Finding Meaning in Suffering28:41 Rituals of Initiation and Meaning-Making35:16 Rites of Passage and Cultural Ordeals37:37 Integrating Trauma and Rituals39:52 The Power of Awe and Brokenness45:22 Suffering as a Spiritual Discipline48:15 The Evolving Relationship with Ancestors52:51 The Science and Significance of Awe01:01:18 Prayer Excerpted from A Guide to the Bodhisattva's Way of Life

We were so fortunate to talk to David Hayward, known for his work under the moniker the Naked Pastor, in this spacious and honest episode about art, deconstruction, feminine wisdom, nature, and more. David shares with us his spiritual journey that is continually unfolding. His gentle storytelling invited us to look deeply at our spirituality, to not be afraid to live the questions when they come up, and to begin to move towards whatever is stirring within our hearts. There is no wrong way to become your fullest self, and the world deeply needs people who have come alive. This chat opened up some things for us to sit with, we hope it does the same for you. Show NotesThe Naked Pastor Website Naked Pastor on InstagramThe Liberation of Sophia Without a Vision my People Prosper-Till Doubt Do Us Part The Lasting Supper - Online Community Nadya Tolokonnikova from Pussy Riot ArtLife Together by Dietrich BonhoefferChapters00:00 The National Anthem and Its Hidden Truths02:56 Introducing David Hayward: The Naked Pastor05:59 The Naked Truth: Spiritual Abuse and Silence11:39 The Journey of Deconstruction Begins14:47 Reconstruction: Integrating the Past19:05 Sophia: The Feminine Wisdom Within25:56 Masculinity and the Inner Feminine33:03 Jesus and Feminine Wisdom in the Church39:19 Navigating Marriage Through Deconstruction42:51 The Glue of Relationships: Love Beyond Beliefs45:43 Navigating Deconstruction in Relationships46:18 Loneliness and Community Rebuilding49:38 Finding New Connections Outside Faith Communities51:34 Art as Resistance and Inspiration56:48 Nature's Role in Inspiration and Connection01:00:28 The Power of Awe and Love01:10:27 The Naked Pastor's Journey and Future Directions01:12:35 NEWCHAPTER

We had a lovely time chatting with Wes Ellis about his book Abiding in Amen: Prayer for a Secular Age! Wes is a pastor, professor, and author who decided to look at prayer through a gentle, nonjudgmental, and playful lens. We chat about abiding in prayer, silence, what resonates deeply within us, and approaching prayer in a hopeful, open hearted way. We hope that this episode gives you the space you need to check out prayer in new and innovative ways! May your prayers flow through you freely, may they reach the depths of your heart and spirit,  and may your prayers lead you to act. Show Notes:Abiding in AmenWes Ellis Website The Uncontrollability of the World by Hartmut Rosa God in Creation by Jurgen MoltmannTheology of Play by Jurgen MoltmannChapters00:00 Introduction to Prayer and Its Significance05:11 Exploring the Challenges of Prayer in a Secular Age10:25 Defining Prayer: A Two-Way Communication13:10 Prayer as Technology: A Cautionary Perspective18:33 Resonance in Prayer Practices21:11 The Concept of Disposable Prayer24:40 The Importance of Play in Spiritual Life27:09 The Importance of Play and Joy in Troubling Times27:50 Prayer as Community Action30:08 Suffering with the World: A New Perspective33:15 The Role of the Church in Transformation35:19 Being Ready: The Nature of Prayer38:27 Everything as Prayer: A New Understanding44:58 Breath Prayer and the Desert Fathers51:04 Finding Beauty Amidst Darkness52:03 Invitation to Simple Prayer53:48 NEWCHAPTER

We had the loveliest of chats with Seryn founding members Nathan James Allen and Trenton Wheeler! We talk creativity, flow, letting our questions guide us, their beginnings as a band in Denton, TX, their pause from creating music together, the pathway back to one another, and their newest songs. Join us for this winding, interesting, music and hope filled conversation. Fun fact: our new intro and outro music is a gorgeous tune called Beach Song by Seryn. This song means a lot to us and we hope that you enjoy it as well!Show Notes:Seryn Seryn on InstagramYoutubePlaying March 21 - Thinline Filmfest - Denton, TXTranscendental Reunion - Mary Chapin CarpenterA Chance to Cut is a Chance to Cure - MatmosApp - Bednight Sleep MusicThe Birds Wrote Me a Poem by: Andrea GibsonChapters00:00 The Poetic Prelude04:04 Introducing Seryn: Origins and Name07:06 The Hiatus: Conflict and Growth11:40 Reunion and Healing Through Music19:45 Serendipitous Connections and Band Dynamics25:30 Nature's Influence on Music30:45 The Creative Process Behind 'River Song'32:31 The Significance of 'Beach Song'43:14 Faith and Doubt in Our Music55:26 The Importance of Questioning Beliefs57:00 Artists as Voices of the Oppressed57:43 Finding Inspiration in Turbulent Times01:00:24 The Role of Family in Creativity01:03:31 Navigating Anxiety and Creativity01:09:50 The Urgency of Time and Connection01:19:21 NEWCHAPTER

Rev. Dr. Grace Ji-Sun Kim joins us today to talk about her book Earthbound: God at the Intersection of Climate and Justice. In Earthbound, Grace instills a sense of urgency around taking care of our earth and each other. She calls us to be the image of God and to approach the holy work of reciprocity in a spirit of love, creativity, aliveness, forgiveness, and beauty. Grace’s work empowers, invites, and ignites us into action as we work together to build a future that is hopeful for all beings. We are grateful for Grace, her witness, and her wisdom. Show Notes:Earthbound - BookMaking Peace with the Earth - BookPlanetary Solidarity - BookChi and the Transformative Spirit of Love - BookIntersectional Theology - BookWhen God Became White - BookHope in Disarray - BookGrace Ji-Sun Kim SubstackGrace on InstagramMadang Podcast Chapters00:00 Opening Poem and Introduction01:55 Introducing Grace Ji-Sun Kim02:35 The Need for Earthbound05:16 The White Male God Concept10:38 Theological Implications of Climate Justice15:41 Dualism in Evangelical Theology19:49 Experiential Theology and Creation Care25:20 A Theology of Verbs29:44 Finding Hope in Action

We loved getting the opportunity to speak with Patty Krawec, author of Becoming Kin and Bad Indians Book Club, speaker, activist, and co-founder of the Nii'kinaaganaa Foundation. Patty talks to us about the importance of remembering our history honestly so that we can reimagine a future that is reciprocal for all people and for the land. Patty’s work is invitational and reminds us that we are all relatives. Show Notes:Patty KrawecBecoming Kinpayyourrent.caTaté Walker poem - Land BackOnce the World was Perfect by Joy HarjoChapters00:00 The Perfect World and Its Downfall02:21 Introducing Patti Krowick: Activism and Literature05:38 Unforgetting the Past: A Path to Reimagining the Future10:31 The Journey of Returning to Oneself18:46 The Eighth Fire: Collective Responsibility and Future Visions25:31 Listening to the Land: Environmental and Spiritual Connections30:16 The Seventh and Eighth Fires: Prophecies and Responsibilities34:42 Understanding Historical Contexts35:57 The Concept of Displacement and Community39:32 Roots and Responsibilities43:31 Activism and Hope46:30 Connecting Through Knowledge and Action

How we Love a Forest is how we Love Everything with Ethan Tapper. Join us for this transformative and hopeful chat with forrester, author of How We Love a Forest, and digital storyteller Ethan Tapper!  Ethan walks us through what it looks like to love and give your life over to whatever is calling to you from the depths of your heart. We visit about his 175 acres called Bear Island and the restorative and sometimes heartbreaking work it takes to love well. Ethan’s knowledge of trees, foxes, birds and wild things that roam Bear Island is delightful and invitational. Our hearts were changed by his deep commitment to the land and to the future. Show Notes:Ethan TapperHow to Love a Forest: The Bittersweet Work of Tending a Changing WorldWillow and the Storm - Children’s BookEthan’s InstagramWhat the Robin Knows by John YoungDr. Lyla JuneEO WilsonIn Blackwater Woods by: Mary OliverChapters00:00 The Essence of Nature and Loss01:25 Introducing Ethan Tapper: A Forester's Journey04:48 Bear Island: A Symbol of Hope and Responsibility09:46 Wildlife and Ecosystem Relationships15:48 Human Nature and Ecological Responsibility21:14 The Complexity of Ecosystems and Love for Nature26:52 The Unexpected Joy of Public Speaking27:17 Emerging Themes of Hope28:11 Engaging the Younger Generation29:29 The Power of Hope in Action30:15 Mythologizing Forests and Emotional Connections31:05 The Role of Emotion in Environmental Advocacy33:49 Balancing Science and Spirituality37:48 Delight in Nature's Wonders38:24 The Complexity of Life and Death48:06 Understanding Death in Ecosystems52:55 The Beauty of Forests and Their Lessons

Cheers to a New Year from Radical Sacred! This year has been a bit of a shit sandwich for us so if you’re feeling less than holly jolly this one's for you. We chat about where we are and our hopes for 2026. We choose a few words that will be our guiding light for the year to come and remember our favorite episodes from this season. Thanks for being on this journey with us! “May the nourishment of the earth be yours,may the clarity of light be yours,may the fluency of the ocean be yours, may the protection of the ancestors be yours.” - John O’DonohueShow Notes:Beannacht by: John O’DonohueTed Radio Hour - Finding Your Bliss with Krista Tippett of On Being The Case for Making Art When the World is on Fire Aime McNeeLiving the Questions by RilkeYes, That’s When by: Rosemary Wahtola TrommerChapters00:00 New Year's Reflections and Technical Challenges02:12 Personal Introductions and Life Updates09:11 Memorable Conversations and Insights from the Year14:43 Creativity, Vulnerability, and the Importance of Expression21:30 Living with Questions and Embracing Uncertainty26:14 Navigating Personal Challenges and Growth28:50 Navigating New Year's Emotions30:31 Leaving Behind and Embracing for the New Year33:37 Personal Reflections on Avoidance and Authenticity37:22 Words of Intention for 202640:50 Reciprocity and Creativity in Relationships44:25 Words for 2026: Unfold, Return, and Holistic50:16 Expansion and Blooming into the New Year

On this special Christmas Eve episode we get to chat with poet, theologian, and host of Poetry Unbound Pádraig Ó Tuama! Pádraig talks with us about reciprocity in all its forms, chaos, cooperation and conflict resolution, doing what is yours to do and more! We are so thankful for Pádraig, his work and his wise words, for all of you listening, and for the hope we find in poetry, art, music, nature, and creation in these uncertain times. May your Christmas be filled with love and joy and may you follow your imagination and explore all that is within you and all that calls to you. Show Notes:The Kingdom of Ordinary Time conflictintelligence.orgSubstack - Poetry Unbound Poetry Unbound Podcast In Between the Sun and MoonCircle Chapters00:00 The Power of Poetry and Personal Connection03:38 Exploring Reciprocity in Relationships05:03 Nature as Inspiration in Poetry09:55 Understanding Chaos and Its Role in Life14:40 The Intersection of Poetry and Chaos15:55 The Writing Process and Rituals22:03 Conflict Resolution and the Role of Community30:19 The Pedagogy of Conflict33:05 Art as a Response to Crisis40:21 Understanding Thin Spaces46:42 Celtic Spirituality and Modern Contexts48:37 Finding Hope in Community50:58 The Role of Imagination in Writing

Julia Postema and Jeremiah Gibson join us today to talk about reciprocity in intimate relationships in this helpful and hopeful episode! Julia and Jeremiah are married therapists whose mission is to support relationships in reclaiming sexuality following adverse religious experiences. Their gentle approach invites us all into new ways of being and knowing, ourselves and others. We loved their kind and thoughtful approach to sex, intimacy, and learning how to listen to our bodies and our yearning. Come As You Are by Emily NagoskiCome Together by Emily NagoskiSexvangelicals PodcastWhen Religion Hurts You by Laura AndersonRelationship Coaching Business - Let’s Heal TogetherGreen Boy by Kai Cheng ThomChapters00:00 Introduction to Poetry and Themes of Connection01:03 Exploring the Wild Goose Festival and Its Impact02:43 Navigating High Control Environments and Personal Growth05:40 Defining Reciprocity in Relationships08:08 Understanding Differentiation and Interdependence11:09 The Role of Purity Culture in Sexuality13:53 The Political Nature of Sexuality and Relationships16:15 Deconstructing Shame and Reclaiming Autonomy19:05 Steps Towards Healing from Purity Culture21:42 Intuition, Yearning, and Self-Discovery24:31 The Importance of Play in Sexuality27:16 Imagination and Reconstruction of Beliefs30:24 Experimentation in Relationships and Sexuality31:25 The Impact of Nature on Intimacy and Connection34:02 Intimacy as a Pathway to Connection36:49 Practical Steps to Cultivate Intimacy39:10 Recommended Resources for Vulnerability and Reciprocity42:10 Closing Thoughts and Future Directions

Really lovely and meandering chat this week with the founder of Oikon Studios Mike Whang. Mike began Oikon Studios as a way of learning to walk in the unforced rhythms of grace.Through a gorgeous mixture of liturgy,spiritual formation, lectio divina, and music Mike invites us all to union with God, with true self, and with one another. Our attention is deeply rooted in what we’re attuned to and where our intention lies. What is calling you to divine union? Show Notes:Oikon StudiosPhygital Fellows Lectio DivinaIn the Name by Padraig O’TuamaChapters00:00 In the Name of Community and Connection02:50 Introducing Mike Wang and Oikon Studios04:31 The Evolution of Liturgy and Ministry07:20 The Importance of Liturgy in Spiritual Life11:14 Unforced Rhythms of Grace14:24 Liturgy as Practice and Reciprocity17:45 Power Dynamics in Liturgy and Ministry22:54 Moving from Scarcity to Abundance27:34 Creating Beauty in Ministry33:41 Practices of Attentiveness and Reflection35:57 God's Work Beyond the Church39:37 Advent Reflections and Ancestral Connections44:05 Legacy and Ancestral Influence48:11 Closing Thoughts and Resources

It’s hard to put this episode with Brooke Williams on his new book Encountering Dragonfly into words! The breadth and width of this conversation is vast. We talk to Brooke about dragonflies, prophetic dreams, listening to your inner knowing, animal guides, re-enchantment, imaginal ecology, the veils between worlds, and more! Grateful for this lovely book, and for Brooke’s ability to invite, enliven, and re-enchant. Show Notes:Brooke Williams WebsiteEncountering Dragonfly : Notes on the Practice of Re-enchantmentThe Earth has a Soul - Meredith Sabini Manifesto: The Mad Farmer Liberation Front - Wenell BerryFly, Dragonfly! By: Joyce SidmanW.S. MerwinChapters00:00 The Enchantment of Dragonflies06:19 Exploring Inner Worlds and Personal Truths12:25 The Intersection of Science and Spirituality18:49 Animals as Messengers and Guides26:57 Archetypes and the Symbolism of Dragonflies34:49 Imaginal Ecology and Natural History35:41 Imaginal Ecology and Relationships39:02 Consciousness and Collective Responsibility42:37 Attention: The Key to Re-enchantment47:23 Personal and Collective Re-enchantment54:03 The Power of Passion and Connection01:01:35 Facing Mortality and Purpose

We were so fortunate to meet Beth Norcross and Leah Rampy at The Wild Goose Festival! This chance encounter led us to reading their beautiful book Discovering the Spiritual Wisdom of Trees and to the lovely and deeply rooted conversation in this episode. The way Beth and Leah invite us back to nature, remind us that we are one with the trees, and embody looking to the trees as our teachers have inspired us so deeply. May we each find our love for all beings renewed and reinvigorated by these women and their gorgeous work. Show Notes:Discovering the Spiritual Wisdom of Trees Save Our SoilCenter for Spirituality in NatureCOP 30BethNorcross.comLeahRampy.comReweaving Earth and Soul - Leah on SubstackWhen I am among the Trees by: Mary Oliver Chapters00:00 The Spiritual Connection with Nature08:59 Personal Journeys and Teacher Trees18:17 The Wisdom of Trees: Literal and Metaphorical26:52 The Role of Trees in Spiritual Practices33:00 The Journey of Spiritual Practices36:04 Nurse Logs and Ancestral Connections42:40 Grounding Through Spiritual Practices48:51 Reconnecting with Nature and Spirituality57:32 A Message from the Trees

We chat all about relational flow today with eco spiritual director, soul guide, holistic psychotherapist, author, and two time Radical Sacred guest Melissa Fritchle! When we begin to build our relationships based on reciprocity and flow beautiful new pathways begin to emerge. Join us for this invitational conversation on interdependence, creativity, intimacy, and following our yearning. Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways): Melissa’s Website - Embody & ConnectMelissa’s Substack - Soul Entwined with Earth Center for Wild Spirituality - Wild WeavingsNight on the Island by: Pablo NerudaChapters00:00 The Poetic Introduction02:39 Exploring Soul Guidance03:36 Understanding Reciprocity10:27 Transcending Expectations16:15 From Scarcity to Abundance22:56 Embracing Discomfort for Growth27:26 Creativity in Discomfort31:43 Reconnecting with Yearning35:02 The Nature of Suffering and Happiness37:38 Redefining Work and Retirement39:33 The Importance of Intimacy43:12 The Role of Ceremony and Ritual55:29 Embracing Reciprocity in Relationships

Simon Fulford and Ame Mañon-Ferguson of Parrott Creek Child and Family Services chat with us about reimaging trauma healing and the expansive, gorgeous work they do for families and the 80 acres of land that surrounds their site. We were blown away by their care and intentionality with the folks they serve with and through their Cultural Ecology Project. We learn about treating all people with unconditional positive regard and about what happens when folks healing from trauma heal in an intentional community and heal with and alongside nature. Our hearts and minds were expanded by this lovely conversation.  Cool stuff we mention on this weeks episode (or meant to anyways):Parrott CreekCultural Ecology Project at Parrott CreekDonate to Parrott [email protected] them on InstagramSunrise by Joy HarjoChapters00:00 The Power of Poetry and Introduction to Parrott Creek01:25 Understanding Parrott Creek's Mission and History05:35 Cultural Ecology and Land Stewardship09:53 The Healing Power of Nature14:36 Measuring Success Beyond Metrics19:06 Unconditional Positive Regard and Trauma-Informed Care23:26 Community Engagement and Restorative Justice28:06 Finding Inspiration and Hope in Nature32:30 Supporting Indigenous Communities and Local Initiatives36:59 Closing Thoughts and Call to Action

We are thrilled to welcome author, pastor, and thinker, Kenneth McIntosh to the pod! We chat about his book Oak and Lotus and how his life has been shaped by Celtic Christianity along with Buddhism. How might our spirituality shift and change in unexpected directions if we were open to new pathways? If you’ve ever been curious about interspirituality this lovely and invitational episode is for you. Cool stuff we mention on this week’s episode (or meant to anyways):Kennethimcintosh.com Oak and Lotus Kenneth’s Substack Rumi’s GuesthouseChapters00:00 Seeing Christ in Everyday Life01:18 Introduction to Celtic Spirituality02:16 Understanding Interspirituality04:23 Kenneth's Spiritual Journey12:50 Transcending Evangelicalism16:18 Celtic and Eastern Spiritual Connections24:49 Interspirituality and Personal Growth32:38 Reconceiving Jesus: An Eastern Wisdom Teacher35:34 Understanding Taoism: Flowing with the Divine39:59 Everyday Mysticism: Trusting Intuition and Spirit41:29 Thin Places: Encounters with the Divine49:17 Reciprocity: Openness and Inter-Spirituality

Jarod K. Anderson, poet, thinker, author, and host of the podcast Cryptonaturalist joins us this week! Jarod chats with us about nature being his church from a very young age, the beauty and invitational nature of moss, writing poetry as a way of making sense of the world, and more. This conversation is not only a breath of fresh air but an invitation back to the forests that make our very breath possible. We are so excited to share with you Jarod’s lovely poems, the ways that nature can be a balm for depression and the weariness of the world, and all the wisdom shared in this gentle, thoughtful conversation. Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways): Jarod K. Anderson Website The Cryptonaturalist Podcast Jarod’s SubstackJarod’s Instagram Forsythia Poem Chapters00:00 The Beauty of Nature and Poetry02:58 The Journey of a Poet05:48 The Role of Poetry in Mental Health08:56 Influences and Inspirations in Writing11:35 Finding Peace in Nature14:35 The Importance of Presence in Nature17:07 Unexpected Encounters in Nature18:10 The Philosophy of Mushroom Hunting21:02 Nature as a Teacher23:39 Reciprocity Between Nature and Self26:56 Reconnecting with Nature30:40 The Magic of Trees and Moss34:07 Finding Thin Spaces41:11 The Nature of Love43:16 Vulnerability and Healing51:16 Creative Projects and Future Endeavors

In these wild times we earnestly believe that reconnecting with nature, self, and each other is the only route forward that will lead us into equality, equanimity, and hope. The practice of Terra Divina is a four part devotion that will lead you back to your truest you. In this episode we chat all about how to be present to self and nature, how to set aside deep judgment, and how to walk in the direction that our heart invites us. We hope that you will utilize this spiritual practice, that you will invite your family and friends into it, and that you will begin to know yourself through a different more natural lens. Journey with us into deeper knowing and expand your heart, mind, and spirit with Terra Divina. Cool stuff we mentioned this episode (or meant to anyways): Terra Divina The Treatment by Jarod K Anderson Wild Goose Festival Chapters00:00 The Healing Power of Nature02:54 Terra Divina: A Sacred Practice05:22 The Four Steps of Terra Divina10:35 Deepening Connection with Nature15:54 Embracing Discomfort and Transformation21:06 Nature as a Teacher26:09 Invitation to Self-Discovery

JD Stillwater takes us on a wild, imaginative ride in this week’s episode! JD is a Science Ambassador, author, speaker and a joy filled former science teacher who invites others into a worldview more aligned with how reality works. We visit all about embracing the flow of the natural world which is rooted in both science and spirituality and how being in the flow invites us into our own unique place in the vastness of the universe. How might it shift the current trajectory of our society if we begin to view science as not only being compatible with spirituality but as a profound source of our spirituality? Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways):JD’s websiteVideos from JD Sign up for JD’s newsletterCosmology in Concert Closing Poem - WellspringsChapters00:00 The Forsythia Metaphor: Growth Through Adversity02:31 Introducing JD Stillwater: A Science Ambassador's Journey06:57 The Intersection of Science and Spirituality11:47 Curiosity as a Guiding Principle22:43 The Gateway to Understanding: Touch and Connection29:19 The Nature of Existence: Flow and Evolution35:52 The Nature of Existence and Death38:47 Diversity and Evolution41:35 Bridging Science and Spirituality47:03 Reciprocity in Nature52:47 Interconnectedness of Life57:22 Cultural Shifts and Learning from Nature01:02:15 Closing Reflections and Future Directions

Note: This episode was recorded live at the Wild Goose Festival. The audio quality does not meet our typicaly standards, but isn't that life... a little messy and not always meeting the standard?Welcome to Season 3 of Radical Sacred! In our season opener we find ourselves having a beautiful time at The Wild Goose Festival in Harmony, North Carolina. Spending 4 days camping under the stars, listening and learning from progressive speakers from vastly different backgrounds, meeting like minded friends, leading contemplative nature walks, and seeing butterflies of all kinds feels like the perfect start to our season of reciprocity. Moving towards a system that is mutually beneficial to all beings matters not only for our survival, but we believe will lead us on a pathway toward a more equitable, nature centered, kinder world. Join us as we speak to authors, thinkers, scientists, and naturalists this season as we explore the beauty of living reciprocally. Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways): Wild Goose Festival The Serviceberry, Gathering Moss, or Braiding Sweetgrass  by: Robin Wall KimmererLiving Resistance Kaitlin B Curtice World as Lover World as Self Joanna Macy Terra DivinaChapters00:00 Welcome to Season Three of Radical Sacred03:31 Exploring the Wild Goose Festival Experience06:01 The Spirit of Inclusion and Community07:11 Introducing the Theme of Reciprocity07:11 Understanding Reciprocity15:21 The Importance of Reciprocity in Society18:17 Nature's Role in Reciprocity21:23 Personal Stories of Reciprocity24:13 Reciprocity in Human Relationships27:13 Exploring Literature on Reciprocity28:39 Radical Sacred_outro.mp3

We have a lovely, winding, Texas filled conversation with Zach Lambert of Restore, ATX. Zach is a native Austinite, father and husband, the author of Better Ways to Read the Bible as well as Co-Author (alongside Amy Lambert) of the Substack Public Theology. Zach visits with us about his pilgrimage into open hearted theology, his heart for multi-generational community, and his invitation to a more imaginative, empathetic way of being and reading scripture. This episode is dedicated to the Texas Hill Country and her people. References fromt this episode:Restore ATX Substack - Public Theology Better Ways to Read the Bible - Zach’s new book Find Zach on Socials @zachwlambert John Steinbeck quote about TexasHill Country Theme How to Help Victims of the Texas Floods Chapters00:00 The Essence of Texas: A State of Mind03:53 Introducing Zach Lambert: A Texan Perspective09:43 Navigating the Flood: Community Resilience15:34 The Journey of Faith: Personal Transformations23:35 Unraveling Beliefs: The Importance of Community27:16 Pilgrimage of Faith: The Ongoing Journey32:23 Restoration and Imagination: The Future of Church40:26 Staying Rooted: Finding Joy Amidst Struggles

Colleen Moore is the director of Peace With Justice at the General Board of Church and Society for the UMC. She joins us today to talk about a recent Young Adult Pilgrimage of Peace she helped facilitate in South Korea. What can we learn from bearing witness to spaces and places where there has been great suffering?  How might walking with others in places very different from our usual bring about personal and communal transformation? Colleen shares about her own personal guides, her deep call to peace and dignity for all, and her commitment to sharing stories to shape real change. Stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways): Contact Colleen MooreSocial Principles of the UMCYoung Adult Pilgrimage of Peace - South KoreaKorea Peace Now!Book - The Bridge at No Gun Ri: A Hidden Nightmare from the Korean WarWomenCrossDMZ - Christine AhnThe Rapture Exposed: The Message of Hope in the Book of RevelationUMC Action Alerts Pages for Progress - UMC Book Studies (Faith in the Face of Empire study)Chapters00:00 Opening Reflections and Poetic Introduction01:06 Acknowledging Global Pain and Unrest02:26 Introducing Colleen Moore and Her Work03:59 Personal Reflections on Heavy Times06:39 Finding Joy Amidst Struggles08:26 Understanding the Pilgrimage Experience08:38 The Young Adult Peace Pilgrimage Explained10:04 Witnessing History: The Gowlingeol Massacre Site12:19 Activating Change Through Pilgrimage15:43 Surprises and Emotional Impact of the Pilgrimage18:43 Power, Empire, and Advocacy Challenges24:24 The Importance of Storytelling in Advocacy27:20 Personal Narratives and Activism28:11 Guides and Mentors in the Journey30:56 The Importance of Bearing Witness33:56 Christian Nationalism and Its Implications38:58 Pilgrimage as a Spiritual Journey41:03 Connecting with Community and Action

Our journey with season 2 continues to meander in beautiful and unexpected ways as we have the extreme privilege of speaking with author, pastor, theologian, and someone well seasoned in the art of pilgrimage: Wes Granberg-Michaelson! Wes blows our minds and invites us into new and deeper understandings of pilgrimage. We delve into pilgrimage as response to empire, important movements that are inviting us back to our truest selves, and what can undergird us in the uncertain times we find ourselves in. This expansive conversation was a gift to us as are all of you, dear listeners! Thanks for making season 2 a wild and lovely pilgrimage. Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways): The Wandering Mind: What Medieval Monks did about Mental Distraction by: Jamie Kreiner Wesley Granberg-Michaelson Sojourners Without Oars: Casting Off into a Life of PilgrimageThe Soulwork of Justice: Four Movements of Contemplative ActionA Strategy for Christian Witness against Trump’s Autocracy Summer Stars by: Carl SandbergChapters00:00 Introduction to Radical Sacred and Summer Solstice01:47 Meeting Wes Granberg-Michelson02:24 Wes's Journey as a Pilgrim07:43 Understanding Pilgrimage and Its Dual Nature09:51 Integrating Internal and External Journeys16:23 Intentionality in Pilgrimage25:36 Four Movements of Pilgrimage31:44 Navigating the Crisis in Seminaries36:11 Creating a Holding Space for Spiritual Growth39:50 Walking Away from Empire: The Power of Pilgrimage50:33 The Role of Nature in Spiritual Connection

Today we leave our pent up indoor spaces and venture out for a walk together, apart. Can walking bring us closer when there’s literal distance between us? Can walking help us bridge the gap between our heart and our actions? Between where we are and where we’re meant to be? We talk about this season, the places and spaces we’ve been, our fabulous guests who’ve invited us into our own pilgrimages, and how we’re doing with all that’s shifting and changing.  Join us Saturday June 21st at 8 am for a Conscious Nature Stroll!Choose your favorite walking spot or find one brand new! Season 2 is drawing to a close and a lot of pilgrimaging has occurred for us since September. We’d love to walk together, apart as we reflect on all that’s been and that’s yet to come.   We invite you to bring your favorite pal (dog or human, your choice), your favorite poem of the moment to begin your time, turn your phone to silent, and reflect on one or two of the questions below as you walk: What is drawing my eye to beauty this morning and where in my life am I being invited to bring forth, protect, or create beauty? What is drawing my eye to suffering this morning and where in my life am I being invited to relieve suffering? Suffering in my community, in myself, in the space I’m walking?What journey in your life is ending or needs to end? Reflect on it. What pilgrimage is on your horizon? What is something new calling to you? Walk for however long and you’d like and share your reflections with us on Substack or Instagram. Thank you for walking with us this season!Chapters00:00 The Power of Walking and Connection05:43 Embracing Change and New Beginnings12:01 The Journey of Pilgrimage and Intention17:45 Attention and Awareness in Nature23:40 Navigating Endings and New Opportunities30:57 Embracing Change and New Beginnings37:02 Creating Without Fear: The Joy of Expression

Carolyn Whitney-Brown joins us in this playful and imaginative conversation around her and Henri Nouwen’s book Flying, Falling, Catching: An Unlikely Story of Finding Freedom. Written more than 2 decades after his death and centered around Henri’s late in life experiences with the trapeze group the Flying Rodelighs, this book is a joyous invitation to expand our horizons and to follow our curiosity. What new, high flying adventures might be calling to you? Where are the communities in our lives that encourage us to live fully? Carolyn, Henri, and the Flying Rodleighs invite us all to be joyful risk takers, rooted deeply in self and community.Show Notes:L'Arche Daybreak Flying, Falling, Catching: An Unlikely Story of Finding FreedomCarolyn’s WebsiteChapters00:00 The Poetic Prelude: Icarus and Love01:24 Introducing Carolyn Whitney: A Journey with Henry Nowen02:29 Creative Exploration: Writing and Illustrating Together04:38 Joyful Risk-Taking: Embracing Change in Uncertain Times09:11 The Trapeze: A Metaphor for Community and Connection15:15 Balancing Joy and Angst: The Duality of Henry Nowen18:47 Surprises in the Process: Reflecting on Henry's Legacy21:18 Henry as a Guide: Lessons from a Life of Pilgrimage27:04 The Role of Discipline: Structure in Creativity31:31 Overcoming Inner Criticism: The Voices in Our Heads34:46 Community and Creativity: Finding Support in Unlikely Places40:03 The Artist's Role: Bringing Hope Through Creativity44:51 Embracing Our Ancestors: The Interplay of Joy and Woe

This week we are joined by Rev. Rebecca Anderson and Rev. Vince Amlin of Bethany United Church of Christ in Chicago. We chat about partnership, creating healing spaces, and learning to move with the seasons of life and the ebbs and flows of our invitations from Spirit. Vince and Rebecca share about their journey with and honest ending of their beloved, queer, storytelling, bar-meeting church, Gilead. Every pilgrimage has a beginning and an end. What might we learn from ending things intentionally and with the Cosmic Christ in mind? And how might the things that truly matter to us transcend literal endings? Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways):Bethany United Church of Christ (Find Vince and Rebecca here) Earshot Stories Vince PilgrimagesWhat Sucks About the Afterlife by Andrea Gibson Chapters00:00 Reflections on the Afterlife and Personal Growth02:06 Introduction to Gilead Church and Its Mission03:47 Founding Stories: The Birth of Gilead Church07:15 The Significance of the Name 'Gilead'08:54 Queerness and Storytelling: Core Values of Gilead15:53 Understanding Pilgrimage in the Context of Gilead16:35 The Essence of Pilgrimage20:52 Intentionality in Community27:10 Embracing Endings with Grace33:20 Transformative Experiences and Future Directions

We are thrilled to chat with Frank and Mary Frost who are partners in life and film making! Today we talk about their fabulous, Emmy nominated, documentary about French scientist and Jesuit Priest, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. Teilhard was a feminist, a visionary thinker, a paleontologist, and a man way before his time. When met with new information that challenged his religious ideals, he didn’t shrink, but he expanded to meet the moment. What might we learn from his ecstatic, open hearted  way of moving through the world? Might Teilhard have something to teach us about the intersection of science and spirituality? Join this week's conversation to find out!Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways):Documentary - Teilhard: Visionary ScientistTeilhard ProjectAmerican Teilhard AssociationDivine Milieu Chapters00:00 The Vision of Teilhard de Chardin05:32 The Journey of Filmmaking and Discovery09:37 The Relevance of Teilhard Today14:35 Loyalty and Steadfastness in Faith20:27 The Complexity of Love and Relationships24:07 Expanding Spirit and Curiosity25:55 The Omega Point and Spirit-Matter Unity28:17 The Omega Point and Evolution31:41 Feminism and the Eternal Feminine35:49 Paleolithic Emotions and Modern Challenges39:49 Ecstasy and the Mystical Experience45:04 Pilgrimage and the Search for the Divine

Chelan Harkin joins us today on this meandering and moving conversation about the path of ecstatic movement. When we dial in to our truest selves, what mystical downloads from the universe might we receive? When we follow desire, where might our destination be? And how can a seemingly small act, like learning to trust the gentle nudges of the universe, lead us back to us? Spending time with Chelan is like diving into the deep waters she’s named after, it’s inviting and cool and totally refreshing. We hope you’ll dive in with us, into all the spaces and places that make you, you. Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways): Chelan Harkin Poetry Find Chelan’s Events on her FB pageChelan’s books Hypno-therapySomatic Therapy To live in this World by Mary Oliver Chapters00:00 The Ecstatic Spark of Creativity02:39 The Journey of a Poet: From Hesitation to Expression05:34 The Prayer Experiment: Connecting with the Muse08:27 The Cosmic Connection: Co-authoring with Daniel Ladinsky10:26 Listening to the Nudges: Intuition and Inner Guidance11:35 The Pilgrimage of Refining: Embracing Pain for Growth17:09 Nature as a Healing Force: Reconnecting with the Earth21:57 Somatic Practices: Grounding in the Body27:09 Finding Home in Nature: Personal Connections to the Land28:33 Connecting with Nature and Desire32:51 The Power of Surrender and Flow36:14 The Evolution of God and Language41:42 Myths and Collective Consciousness46:01 Guides and Mentorship on the JourneyAnnouncementRadical Sacred will be at this year's Wild Goose Festival leading a nature walk we are calling, "Walking the Illuminated Path: A Conscious Stroll in Nature." Using the practice of terra divina (reading nature as a sacred text) we will go for a conscious nature walk employing our 5 senses. When we slow down and center nature what might we hear from the Divine? From the depths of our own heart? From the earth? Invitations from our still wild selves are waiting for us in nature. How will we respond?If you'd like to join us August 28-31 in Harmony, NC Radical Sacred listeners get a discount on their registration. When checking out use code A-RS for $50 off the total price.

Today we go on a journey back to our truest selves with Dr. Tamice Spencer-Helms. They talk to us about finding uncoerced worship amongst the redwood trees, the beauty in connecting with other folks who invite us into our own aliveness, and all the ways we are being asked to remember that we ARE nature. What if we started actually emulating Jesus? What beauty and healing could come from us wandering around in wild spaces with our weird friends? Tamice shares about finding a deep well of courage from their ancestors and from within in one of our favorite interviews of Season 2. Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways): Tamice Namae SpeaksWebsiteR.E.S.T. Mixtape Faith Unleavened The Wilderness Between Trayvon Martin & George FloydTexas Methodist Foundation Christian Community Development Association Ryan CooglerSnake Plant by: KB BrookinsPhygital Preaching Fellows Chapters00:00 The Journey of Self-Discovery and Growth03:02 Embracing Ancestry and Nature05:53 Navigating Identity and Belonging09:04 The Power of Non-Coercive Worship12:03 Reconnecting with Intuition14:57 Expanding Spiritual Frameworks17:54 The Great Awakening and Community20:57 Wandering Together in Faith30:07 The Power of Community and Flock Religion31:04 The Hush Harbor: A Historical Perspective34:47 Resurrection Technology: The Impulse for Freedom42:34 Courage in the Face of Adversity48:59 Rethinking Freedom and Resistance54:52 Wrestling with Scripture and Spirituality