The Real Math of Business with Alena Bennett

Dr. Kathryn Page and host Alena Bennett as they explore the depths of purpose, well-being, and the future of work. Discover how embracing discomfort, community, and values can transform leadership and organizational culture.Dr Kathryn (Kat) Page is an organisational psychologist, Leadership Partner at ByMany, Adjunct Professor of Management and Leadership at Swinburne Unniversity, and author of Good Work: Transforming Your Work from the Inside Out.She holds a Doctorate in Organisational Psychology and completed postdoctoral research at the University of Melbourne, exploring the relationship between work and mental health through a public health lens.Kat has worked with leaders across industries—from healthcare and mining to finance and retail—helping them navigate pressure, complexity and change. Her work is grounded in a simple but powerful idea: what if work could be part of the solution to our wellbeing, not the problem?Blending science, story and real-world experience, Kathryn brings a deeply human perspective to leadership—focusing on how we create work that enables people to perform, belong and thrive.To grab your copy of Good Work: https://www.drkatpage.com/about-4And to reach out to Dr Kat:https://www.drkatpage.com/https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-kat-page-2366514/For more information on Alena and the Real Math of Business:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/Chapters00:00 Thought Provoking Question01:57 Chat with Dr Kat Page04:49 The Journey of Finding Purpose07:55 Navigating Corporate Life and Personal Values10:40 The Importance of Self-Discovery13:41 Understanding Well-Being and Happiness16:44 The Spectrum of Well-Being19:36 Eudaimonia and Flourishing22:23 People vs. Math in Business Success28:07 Navigating Psychological Safety in Organizations31:09 The Power of 'What If' Questions34:53 Embracing Discomfort for Growth38:14 The Value of Community and Collaboration43:07 Practical Steps for Personal and Professional Growth51:56 Listener Question: CFO Traits for 202652:26 The Four Quadrants of CFO Leadership54:43 Adapting Skills for the Future

How has the Real Math of Business changed for CFO's in the last 20 years? Well, our guest today claims it is almost opposite to what it was 20 years ago.If you're a Finance Leader in Australia or New Zealand, chances are you already know today's guest. Richard McBride has spent close to 20 years embedded in the A/NZ finance leadership community - As Editor of CFO Magazine and Producer of the CFO Series, he truly is the go-to person for CFOs past, present and future. With over 300 Trans-Tasman in-person and online events delivered and a network of more than 22,500 finance leaders, Richard is passionate about helping CFOs learn, connect, and grow. He's also the man responsible for possibly the world's largest collection of CFO selfies!In this engaging interview, Richard McBride shares insights on the evolving role of CFOs, the importance of trust and relationships, and how the CFO role is shifting from numbers to people leadership. Discover how business success is increasingly driven by transparency, authenticity, and strategic influence.To reach out to Richard McBride:https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-mcbride-35b61977/And you can check out CFO Magazine:https://cfomagazine.com.au/For more information on Alena and the Real Math of Business:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/Chapters00:00 Introduction to Richard McBride00:39 Thought Provoking Question: How is your Corporate Money Mindset Holding You Back?03:37 Conversation with Richard McBride06:01 Connecting with CFOs: A Unique Perspective08:58 Maintaining a Successful Business for 20 Years14:31 Navigating Challenges During the Pandemic23:47 The Evolving Role of CFOs28:43 The Real Math of Business: People vs. Math32:46 The Evolving Role of CFOs34:37 The Shift in CFO Branding37:07 CFOs Stepping into the Spotlight37:36 Diverse Career Paths for CFOs40:03 The Impact of Mid-Market Businesses43:08 Leveraging Technology for Growth45:08 The Importance of Human Connection56:16 Scaling Energy and Community Engagement01:03:59 Teaching Financial Literacy to the Next Generation

How does a business' relationship to people vs maths change as it changes it's goals? And do people's change as well?In this insightful interview, Dane Hudson shares his impactful leadership framework, emphasising discipline, trust, and leading with purpose amidst global chaos. Discover practical strategies for scaling your business, fostering trust, and maintaining resilience in turbulent times.Dane Hudson is a former international CEO with over 20 years’ experience leading large, complex businesses across multiple industries and geographies. He now coaches, mentors, and advises CEOs, founders, and C-level leaders through his firm, Impactful Leadership.Since 2020, Dane has mentored more than 150 founders and CEOs—from startups and SMEs across South-East Asia and Australia to leaders of large listed-enterprises with revenues of up to AUD$5 billion. His work is built on his proprietary Impactful Leadership Framework, a practical system developed over decades of real-world leadership experience and fine-tuned based on what's resonated for his mentoring clients.The first pillar of this framework has been published by Wiley in his book, Discipline Beats Vision: Be the Leader Your Company Needs—Starting MondayTo grab your copy of Discipline Beats Vision:https://www.qbd.com.au/discipline-beats-vision/dane-hudson/9781394414635/And to reach out to Dane: https://impactfulleadership.com/https://www.linkedin.com/in/dane-hudson-61234720/For more information on Alena and the Real Math of Business:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/And for the Whitepaper Alena mentioned: https://www.alenabennett.com.au/cfo-annualreportChapters00:00 Thought Provoking Question of the Week02:00 Introduction to Dane Hudson and Impactful Leadership04:52 Defining Impactful Leadership07:56 The Role of Discipline in Leadership10:46 Building Trust and Accountability13:44 The Balance of People and Math in Business16:41 The Optimism Trap in Leadership32:16 Building Trust and Accountability in Leadership34:28 Navigating Company Growth and Leadership Challenges38:11 The Discipline of Leadership: Maintaining Connection43:22 Empowering Founders: Letting Go of Control46:59 Being a Person of Hope in Uncertain Times52:52 Monday Morning Leadership: Taking Action55:31 The Impactful Leadership Framework: Key Pillars59:27 Navigating the Noise: Awareness and Clarity59:55 Listener Question - Embracing Chaos: Finding Opportunity in Turbulence

What if I told you that a more relaxed office environment could lead to better performance?Well, today we are joined by the awesome Graeme Cowan to explain his philosophy of the Caring CEO. Graeme Cowan is a resilience author, speaker and a founding director of R U OK? He is a former senior executive at Johnson & Johnson and Kearney, and host of the #2 globally-ranked workplace mental health podcast “The Caring CEO”. Graeme specialises in preventing and treating work related fatigue, stress and poor innovation, and his new book “Great Leaders Care” delivers a practical, evidence-based framework for leading teams that perform under pressure and stay resilient.In this insightful interview, Graham Cowan, resilience author and workplace mental health expert, shares practical strategies for integrating results and wellbeing in leadership. Discover how caring leadership, psychological safety, and a focus on soft skills can transform organizational culture and drive measurable business outcomes.To reach out to Graeme:https://graemecowan.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/graemecowan1/To listen to his podcast "The Caring CEO": https://wecare365.com.au/podcast/And to access Graeme's additional resources just for listeners:https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1LS3qBetjrKUVNngYHNZSdbMXERIty0QT?usp=sharingFor more information on Alena and the Real Math of Business:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/Chapters00:00 Introduction to Graham Cowan and His Work00:38 Thought Provoking Question (TPQ)04:04 The Real Math of Business: Results vs. Wellbeing10:26 Defining Wellbeing: Vitality, Intimacy, and Prosperity14:20 The People and Math Ratio in Leadership18:24 Why Care Isn't Soft: The Leadership Advantage22:33 The Importance of Psychological Safety in Teams28:34 The Green Zone vs. Red Zone: Understanding Mood and Performance34:18 The Importance of Self-Awareness and Breaks34:50 Life or Death Scenarios in Work Environments35:35 Integrating Personal Needs in Corporate Norms37:14 Psychological Safety and Productivity39:00 Honesty About Mental Health in the Workplace40:01 Top-Down vs. Bottom-Up Approaches in Organizations42:14 Cultural Change in Large Organizations44:51 The Impact of Leadership on Employee Engagement46:52 Encouraging Suggestions and Innovation49:12 Measuring Intangible Aspects of Well-Being51:42 The Role of Clarity in Organizational Culture52:47 Challenges in Leadership and Organizational Culture01:02:10 Introduction to Corporate Money Mindset01:02:11 Listener Question: Hiring a Manager01:05:24 Reflections on Good Management Practices

Today we thought we would mix it up and share some of our favourite Mic-Drop moments from the season. This show has been full of amazing moments that made Alena stop and think, and we thought today would be a great chance to share those with you.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Mic Drop Moments00:37 Claire Gray02:40 Lindsay Hutchinson06:05 David Fish09:24 Dara Simkin & Tane Hunter13:45 Katie Nelson22:21 Bill WithersFor more information on Alena and the Real Math of Business:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/

What happens when a cancer researcher and Australia's leading voice in play-at-work come together to look at technology? And why do they end up on opposite ends of the scale in their Real Math of Business?Dara Simkin is Australia's leading voice in play at work and the founder of Culture Hero, a learning experience design consultancy specialising in evidence‑based play interventions that strengthen adaptability, collaboration and human capability in an era defined by rapid technological change. She is an expert facilitator and keynote speaker with more than a decade of experience designing experiential learning for organisations across technology, finance, healthcare, retail and the public sector.Tané is a cancer researcher and science communicator. He is the founder of Future Crunch, a group of scientists, artists, researchers and entrepreneurs that believes science and technology are creating a world that is more peaceful, connected and abundant. Their mission is to foster intelligent, optimistic thinking about the future, and to empower people to contribute to a 21st century that works for everyone.In this insightful conversation, Alena Bennett hosts Dara Simpkin and Tane Hunter to explore AI, better workplaces, and the concept of the 'Real Math of Business.' They discuss how understanding the logic, systems, and structures behind business operations can lead to better decision-making, healthier work environments, and sustainable growth. The episode emphasises the importance of human-centric approaches, the impact of culture, and the need to rethink traditional business paradigms in the age of rapid technological change.To grab a copy of Full Stack Human:https://www.fullstackhumanbook.com/To reach out to Dara:https://www.linkedin.com/in/dara-simkin-culture-hero/https://www.culturehero.co/To reach out to Tāne:https://www.linkedin.com/in/tanehunter/https://www.futurecrunch.com/?utm_source=ig&utm_medium=social&utm_content=link_in_bio&fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQMMjU2MjgxMDQwNTU4AAGnWZBa67qyZaFiaqWVD5wZlynCEILg8b1N4sRqqQxz_oRA9KlnliribnOtTWg_aem_k0sYPCCP2H658Z3qPTQtlQChapters00:00 Thought Provoking Question02:37 Chat with Dara and Tāne05:38 Understanding the Need for Authenticity08:35 The Impact of Technology on Humanity11:27 The Role of Science Communication14:16 The Journey to Thriving16:57 Empowerment Through Intentionality17:18 Paleolithic Emotions and Modern Technology20:15 Culture Change: Beyond Nice Behavior23:02 The Infrastructure of Business Culture25:50 Technology's Role in Work Culture29:00 Historical Perspectives on Work and Productivity32:55 The Integration Imperative36:26 Building Capacity in Challenging Environments39:45 The Real Math of Business42:23 Empowering Personal Agency44:06 Understanding Business Growth50:00 Conclusion and Key Takeaways

How do we create thriving teams using accountability? Are we measuring employee engagement totally wrong? And should shareholders care about the business' mission as much as the employees?In this insightful interview, speaker, author and leadership & team performance expert Claire Gray shares her perspectives on creating thriving cultures, the importance of clarity and intention, and how to measure success in business through meaningful metrics. They also chat about practical strategies to optimise your organisation, foster psychological safety, and align your whole team around purpose.To grab a copy of Thriving Teams:https://thrivingculture.com.au/thriving-booksTo reach out to Claire:https://thrivingculture.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/leadership-coach-facilitator/Chapters00:00 Thought Provoking Question: What's Changed Since Jan?03:33 Introduction to Claire Gray and Her Expertise09:22 Intention and Duality in Leadership15:24 The Role of Time in Leadership21:19 Psychological Safety and Accountability31:23 Cross-Functional Collaboration Challenges38:20 The Impact of Time on Business Decisions43:44 Identifying Key Metrics for Business Success58:02 Listener Question: Reliable Staff or More Funding: Which is More Important?To Reach out to Alena:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/

Welcome to the first ever CROSSOVER EPISODE for both podcasts, and we are so excited to have you join us for this one.Today, the team from the Magical Learning Podcast is chatting to the amazing Alena Bennett, host of The Real Math of Business with Alena Bennett.Alena is a speaker, author and leadership expert who works primarily with CEOs and CFOs, helping build businesses where people serve people, the math just works.To reach out to Alena:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/And to check out The Real Math of Business with Alena Bennett:https://www.youtube.com/@UCTC-z1B7jxC8zUW4LBxS1ww https://podcasts.apple.com/dk/podcast/the-real-math-of-business-with-alena-bennett/id1824603857Magical Learning has been running as a training and facilitation company in Australia for over 25 years and has partnered programmes with global thought leaders like John Matone and Robin Sharma.To check out to the Magical Learning Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@UCb70j5K0EE1DLlCLCvqdsVQ https://podcasts.apple.com/dk/podcast/magical-learning-podcast/id1503860793To find out more about our free content, sign-up for future webinars as well as our other services, go to ⁠⁠https://magicallearning.com/⁠⁠ and sign up!You can also find us on our socials: Instagram: / magical_learning Facebook: / magicallearningteam Linkedin: / magicallearning Youtube: / @magicallearning Have a Magical week!

In this conversation, Alena Bennett speaks with Bill Withers, a seasoned SME owner and author of 'Succession Thinking'. They explore the unique challenges and opportunities faced by SMEs, particularly in relation to employee wellbeing, leadership, and the importance of a strong business manifesto. Bill emphasizes the need for vision custodians within SMEs to ensure long-term success and discusses the concept of stewardship as a more nurturing approach compared to traditional governance. The conversation also delves into the role of data in driving business decisions and the importance of creating a culture of intrinsic motivation. Bill advocates for a shift in how SMEs are funded and supported, highlighting the potential for a more sustainable and thriving SME economy.To reach out to Bill and Adapt:https://theadaptway.com/https://www.linkedin.com/in/bill-withers/Chapters00:00 Introduction and Thought Provoking Question03:00 Introduction to Bill Withers and His Journey14:39 The Importance of SME Capitalism21:43 Understanding Stewardship in SMEs24:27 The Role of Vision Custodians in Business Strategy26:23 Building Capacity for Organizational Leadership29:46 The Challenges of SME Financing33:03 The Importance of Data in SME Growth34:10 Creating a System for Leadership and Culture41:37 Defining Success for SMEs44:03 Leveraging Data for Organizational Improvement49:13 The Balance of People and Numbers in Business59:49 The Future of SME Leadership and Investment01:05:36 Understanding the Numbers Behind Business Decisions

In this engaging conversation, Alena Bennett speaks with Bernie Kelly about the evolving role of boards and leadership in today's complex environment. They explore the emotional impact of vision planning, the importance of self-awareness, and the balance between efficiency and effectiveness. Bernie shares insights on the significance of lead indicators, accountability in purpose-driven organisations, and the human element in leadership. The discussion emphasises the need for agility and presence in leadership roles, as well as the importance of fostering a culture that supports growth and transformation.To reach out to Bernie:https://berniekelly.com/Chapters00:00 TPQ of the Week02:30 Introduction to Bernie Kelly and His Expertise04:05 Understanding the Evolving Role of Boards06:59 The Importance of Awareness and Discernment09:34 The Genius of the 'And' in Leadership12:19 Navigating Complex Conversations in Boardrooms14:47 The Human Element in Leadership17:44 The Shift from Control to Accountability21:20 The Role of Numbers in Leadership25:06 Lead vs. Lag Indicators in Business29:09 Becoming a Disruptor in Board Meetings31:33 Opening the Space for Difficult Conversations32:36 Lead and Lag Indicators: Understanding Their Relationship35:54 The Feed-Forward Ratio: A New Perspective39:36 The Importance of Human Connection45:35 Navigating Leadership Transitions47:34 Bernie's Journey: From Corporate to Coaching52:05 Triggers for Change in Organisations57:56 Listener Question: Understanding the Numbers in Business

In this episode of "The Real Math of Business," host Alena Bennett welcomes leadership coach Jason McDougall to discuss the intersection of faith and business. Jason shares his journey from humble beginnings in Western Sydney to becoming a leadership mentor, emphasising the importance of understanding one's purpose and the role of faith in navigating challenges. He reflects on his career path, which includes experiences in various industries, and how these shaped his leadership style. The conversation delves into the significance of being vulnerable in leadership, the necessity of having a strong support system, and the transformative power of faith in both personal and professional realms.Throughout the discussion, Jason highlights the importance of self-awareness and the need to break personal rules that may hinder growth. He encourages listeners to embrace their true selves and to seek clarity in their goals and values. The episode concludes with practical advice for those feeling overwhelmed in their careers, urging them to focus on their 'why' and to cultivate a supportive environment where they can thrive. This episode is a rich exploration of how faith can guide leaders in making impactful decisions and fostering a positive workplace culture.To reach out to Jason:https://jasonmcdougall.co/Chapters00:00 Introduction and Thought Provoking Question03:51 Chat with Jason McDougall06:33 Jason's Career Journey: From Trade to Leadership12:17 The Importance of People in Business14:33 Shifting Mindsets: From Ownership to Stewardship19:47 Navigating Challenges: The Tension of Now vs. Legacy26:14 The Role of Faith in Business Leadership30:25 Finding Peace in Crisis: A Personal Story33:45 The Journey of Healing and Faith35:47 Embracing Discomfort for Growth37:49 Understanding Your Cornerstone42:43 Defining Success and Purpose47:34 Creating Unfiltered Conversations53:30 Encouragement for Authenticity in Business56:35 Listener Question: Traits of Successful People01:02:41 Conclusion and Call to Action

Donna McGeorge, a sought-after international speaker and bestselling author, discusses time management and decision-making in the context of business. The conversation covers observations during the holiday season, the real math of business, the 25-minute meeting, and the first two hours of the workday. The key takeaways include insights into effective time management and the impact of decision-making on business outcomes. The conversation covers the impact of AI on productivity, the role of AI tools in meetings, and the influence of AI on gender disparities. It also delves into the philosophy of Red Brick Thinking and its application at both the micro and macro levels within organizations.Chapters00:00 Thought Provoking Question04:16 Chat to Donna McGeorge15:36 The First Two Hours23:57 ChatGPT Revolution and Generative AI43:11 The Philosophy of Red Brick Thinking56:09 Listener Question

This year has been a great start to the podcast and we wanted to highlight that by sharing you, the listener's, most watched episodes from our first year. Every guest from the entire season has been absolutely amazing and we want to thank them for making this show so good.So whether you listened to the whole season, or are using this episode to see which episode to listen to next, we hope you enjoy our top 5 most listened to/watched episodes of 2025.Chapters00:00 Reflections on the Year and Gratitude02:47 Top 5 - 5. David Fish06:05 4. Julia van Graas09:00 3. Yvonne Hilsz11:53 2. Steve Vamos14:59 1. Danette Fenton-Menzies

This week's podcast is a little different as we get into the mind of our host: Alena Bennett.In this episode, Alena shares her story with producer Jez. Starting with her accounting background to becoming a consultant, emphasising the importance of human connection in business. She discusses the duality of her cultural heritage and how it shapes her perspective on success. Alena reflects on her experiences in the corporate world, the significance of people in business, and the insights gained from her podcasting journey. The conversation highlights the need to challenge traditional business norms and recognise that success is multifaceted, driven by both numbers and human relationships.The Real Math of Business with Alena Bennett is a podcast where we look beyond the numbers in business; where people serve people, and the maths just works.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Alena Bennett03:06 The Real Math of Business06:13 Alena's Journey into Accounting08:56 Transitioning from Corporate to Consulting12:05 The Importance of People in Business14:35 Cultural Duality and Personal Growth17:32 Lessons from Alena's Career20:24 The Impact of Personal Background on Professional Life26:28 Cultural Heritage and Identity29:08 Navigating Duality in Business and Life31:51 Unlocking Potential in Teams34:52 The Emotional Side of Numbers39:20 Lessons from Podcasting and Business

In this engaging conversation, Alena Bennett interviews Katie Nelson, CEO of Sales Uprising, exploring the intricacies of sales, business growth, and the human elements that drive success. They discuss the importance of reflection in business, the dynamics between large and small organisations, and the critical role of cash flow. Katie emphasises that sales is not just about numbers but about authentic curiosity and active listening, which are essential skills for anyone in any role. The discussion also touches on the challenges of scaling a business and the importance of company culture in sales.To Reach out to Katie Nelson:https://salesuprising.com/https://www.linkedin.com/in/thesalescatalyst/The Real Math of Business with Alena Bennett is a podcast where we look beyond the numbers in business; where people serve people, and the maths just works.Chapters00:00 Thought Provoking Question04:00 Interview with Katie Nelson08:58 Lessons from Early Business Ventures11:07 The Rebel Spirit of Entrepreneurs12:40 Data as a Business Saviour14:28 The Contextual Nature of Data17:03 The Human Element in Sales18:33 Generative AI and Human Interaction20:33 The Role of Communication in Business23:01 Sales: The Oldest Profession25:08 Innovation in Sales and Marketing27:42 Core Tenets of Sales That Endure29:10 Building Trust in Sales34:12 The Evolution of Company Culture38:05 The Role of Finance in Business43:09 Growth vs. Scaling in Business48:10 Sales as an Entrepreneurial Skill53:35 Navigating AI's Impact on Sales57:30 Listener Question: The Strengths of Large vs. Small Organisations

In this episode of Real Math at Business, Alena Bennett engages in a deep conversation with Stacey Ellis Fisher, CEO of ClevrCopy, about the intersection of business, leadership, and personal growth. They explore the importance of reflection and intentional learning as they approach 2026, the challenges of navigating advanced business roles, and the significance of building a strong advisory board. The discussion also delves into the nuances of selling a business, the role of data in marketing and copywriting, and the balance between creativity and commercial focus. Ultimately, they emphasise the need for trust, a culture of performance, and the Catalyst Equation as a framework for growth.To reach out to Stacey: https://www.clevrcopy.com/https://www.linkedin.com/in/staceyellisfisher/https://www.instagram.com/staceyellisfisher/?hl=enThe Real Math of Business with Alena Bennett is a podcast where we look beyond the numbers in business; where people serve people, and the maths just works.Chapters00:00 Thought Provoking Question of the week05:58 Stacey and Alena's Friendship + Navigating Business Relationships08:33 The Business Landscape: Selling and Valuation11:21 The Emotional Journey of Pitching14:14 Building a Strong Advisory Board17:02 Selling the Business: Transitioning Perspectives19:52 Data-Driven Narratives in Business22:52 Understanding Customer Needs Through Data24:20 Understanding Customer Pain Points28:54 The Journey from Creativity to Data-Driven Marketing31:39 Becoming Commercial: The Shift in Mindset35:04 Building a Flexible and Efficient Workplace Culture38:43 The Importance of Trust and Performance in Teams42:17 Delivering Tough Feedback with Compassion46:31 Connecting with Clients: The Art of Relationship Building54:44 Listener Question

In this episode of the Real Math of Business podcast, host Alena Bennett speaks with Steve Vamos, a leadership authority and former CEO, about the critical importance of alignment in business. They discuss the challenges CEOs face in navigating misalignment, the role of people leadership, and the necessity of execution in achieving organisational goals. Steve shares insights from his extensive career, including lessons learned from his time at Apple, NineMSN and as CEO of Xero, and the importance of overcoming ego in leadership. The conversation emphasises the need for clear communication, prioritisation, and the development of leadership skills at all levels of an organisation.ToReach out to Steve:https://www.stevevamos.com/https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevevamos/Chapters00:00 Understanding Today's Business Landscape11:54 The Role of the CEO in Misalignment17:38 Overcoming Ego and Fear in Leadership26:11 Navigating Temporary vs. Systemic Misalignment29:27 Navigating Leadership and Board Dynamics35:11 Understanding Financial Misalignment43:20 The Importance of Focus and Prioritisation46:25 Leadership in Large Organisations51:05 The Discipline of Change Management55:38 Exploring the People Side of Business Leadership

In this conversation, Alena Bennett and David Fish explore the multifaceted nature of business success, emphasising the importance of connection, authenticity, and visibility in leadership. They discuss how leaders can navigate tough times, the balance between money and people, and the significance of storytelling and packaging in business. Fishy shares insights from his aeronautics and aviation experience, highlighting the need for focus and clarity in high-pressure situations.To reach out to David Fish: https://www.davidfish.com.au/https://www.davidfish.com.au/authorhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/david-fish-fishy/The Real Math of Business with Alena Bennett is a podcast where we look beyond the numbers in business; where people serve people, and the maths just works.Chapters00:00 Introduction to David Fish and His Philosophy00:35 Thought Provoking Question of the Week04:56 Defining Business Success and Leadership06:48 The Importance of Authenticity and Connection08:39 Navigating Career Fulfillment and Value10:35 Understanding the Cycle of Value and Connection13:49 The Role of Validation in Professional Life15:36 Recognising Personal Contribution and Value19:14 Lessons from Aviation: Focus and Risk Management23:07 Applying Aviation Lessons to Business Strategy24:25 Identifying Roles and Responsibilities in Leadership28:01 Effective Offsite Strategies for Leadership Teams30:13 Prioritising Projects for Maximum Impact32:04 The Aftermath of Offsites: Accountability and Action Plans32:58 Winning in Business: The Meaning of Success34:56 Closing the Gap: From Ideas to Business Success37:35 Money vs. People: The Foundational Dilemma41:40 Authenticity vs. Packaging: Finding the Balance48:24 Internal Credibility: Building External Presence57:06 Visibility in a Digital World: The Importance of Showing Up59:23 Listener Question: Resilience in Business01:00:04 The Impact of Tough Times on Business01:07:08 Emotional Resilience and Anti-Fragility in Organisations

In this conversation, Alena Bennett interviews Karma Auden, the CFO of the University of New England, who shares her unique career journey from aspiring pharmacist to financial storyteller. Karma discusses the importance of understanding the human side of finance, the impact of purpose-driven work, and the nuances between impact and outcome in financial discussions. She emphasises the need for financial storytelling to make numbers relatable and engaging, and shares her experiences using metaphors to enhance communication in financial presentations. The dialogue highlights the evolving role of finance professionals as they navigate the intersection of numbers and people, ultimately advocating for a more empathetic approach to financial communication.To reach out to Karma: https://www.linkedin.com/in/karmaauden/The Real Math of Business with Alena Bennett is a podcast where we look beyond the numbers in business; where people serve people, and the maths just works.Chapters00:00 TPQ: Are you Avoiding Simple, Because it's not Easy?05:22 Chat with Karma Auden: Karma's Unique Career Path10:04 The Impact of Purpose in Work11:21 Understanding Impact vs. Outcome18:31 The Art of Financial Storytelling26:04 Using Metaphors in Financial Presentations28:32 The Role of Feelings in Financial Storytelling31:09 Balancing Integrity and Messaging in Finance34:13 Understanding the Real Math of Business37:47 Linking Time Investment to Outcomes41:40 Framework for Financial Storytelling47:19 The Intersection of Numbers and People50:01 Inspiration from Businesses and Leaders

In this episode, Alena Bennett welcomes Danette Fenton-Menzies, a seasoned expert in leadership and family business dynamics. They explore the challenges of change fatigue, the importance of understanding individual perspectives in organisations, and the balance between short-term and long-term goals.Danette shares insights on the significance of diversity in decision-making, the role of authenticity and ego in family businesses, and practical tips for professionals navigating these environments. The conversation emphasises the need for curiosity, courage, and self-awareness in leadership, providing listeners with valuable tools to enhance their effectiveness in both family and corporate settings.To reach out to Danette:https://www.danettefm.com/https://www.magicallearning.com/To grab a copy of The Adaptable Leader:https://www.danettefm.com/shop-Xr7Ip/p/the-adaptable-leader-paperbackThe Real Math of Business with Alena Bennett is a podcast where we look beyond the numbers in business; where people serve people, and the maths just works.Chapters:00:00 TPQ: Is Your Company Hamstrung by Fear, Legacy or Inertia?06:06 Career Trajectory and Passion for Family Business10:38 Family Businesses vs. Private Companies15:16 Balancing Short-Term and Long-Term Goals20:28 Navigating Difficult Conversations in Family Businesses24:00 Authenticity in Family Business Leadership28:29 Navigating Change in Leadership33:41 Curiosity and Collaboration in Organizations38:05 Influencing Family Business Dynamics42:02 Understanding Ego in Leadership48:14 Building Courage in Leadership52:12 The Math of Courage and Comfort54:16 The People Side of Business Challenges57:29 Navigating Change: Micro and Macro Perspectives

In this episode of the Real Math of Business, Alena Bennett speaks with Lindsay Hutchinson, CEO of Eve Health and CHARLI Health. They discuss Lindsay's career journey, the impact of COVID-19 on business, and the unexpected transition from CFO to CEO. The conversation delves into the human side of business, balancing patient care with financial health, and the role of community and empathy in leadership. They also explore the challenges of a tech startup, the integration of AI in healthcare, and the importance of having a team aligned in vision for sustainable success.To reach out to Lindsey:https://www.linkedin.com/in/lindsay-hutchinson-70aa4119/?originalSubdomain=auChapters00:00 Intro and WINATM10:26 Navigating Healthcare Business Dynamics15:38 Balancing Patient Care and Financial Health20:54 Innovating Healthcare with Technology26:07 The Challenges of Transitioning to a Tech Startup30:47 Navigating Difficult Conversations31:50 Wearing Many Hats in Business34:54 The Recipe for Success37:17 The Reality of Leadership41:29 The Role of AI in Healthcare45:06 Common Themes in Business Success48:41 The Human Side of Business54:06 Listener Question

In this episode of the Real Math of Business podcast, host Alena Bennett speaks with Greg Hutchinson, CEO of Cape Dunstans, about the complexities of leadership, the importance of self-leadership, and the nuances of defining success in business. They explore the weight of responsibility that leaders carry, the dynamics of team interactions, and the significance of community engagement. Greg shares insights from his journey from engineer to CEO, emphasising the need for open-mindedness and adaptability in leadership roles. The conversation highlights the distinction between momentary success and sustainable success, encouraging leaders to focus on long-term impact and the well-being of their teams.To reach out to Greg:https://www.linkedin.com/in/greg-hutchinson-7929baa4/The Real Math of Business with Alena Bennett is a podcast where we look beyond the numbers in business; where people serve people, and the maths just works.Chapters00:00 Introduction to the Real Math of Business + WINATM09:40 Defining Success in Business13:05 Sustainability vs. Point-in-Time Success16:23 The Role of People in Business Success19:46 Planning and Execution in Construction23:26 Navigating Market Challenges27:08 Transitioning from Operations to Business Leadership30:45 The Importance of Team Dynamics33:40 Community Contribution and Corporate Responsibility37:24 Final Thoughts and Key Takeaways42:03 Listener Question - Navigating Promotion Decisions

In this episode of the Real Math of Business podcast, Alena Bennett speaks with Yvonne Hilsz, a master sales coach, about the duality of the math and people sides of business. They discuss the importance of mindset in sales, the role of data in performance management, and the need for individualised coaching to elevate team performance. Yvonne shares insights on hiring a CFO, budgeting challenges in a volatile economy, and the significance of creating a sustainable sales culture. The conversation emphasises the importance of understanding sales cohorts and the cost of missed opportunities in business.To reach out to Yvonne:https://www.yvonnehilsz.com/https://www.instagram.com/yvonnehilsz/?hl=enhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/yvonnehilsz/And to take the "Sell with Confidence" Quiz:https://yvonnehilsz.outgrow.us/SWC?kuid=eae22bf3-4ef2-4b82-821c-95041ab16d6a-1754021696&kref=e7j6N04ObL9cThe Real Math of Business with Alena Bennett is a podcast where we look beyond the numbers in business; where people serve people, and the maths just works.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Sales Mastery05:00 Interview with Yvonne Hilsz06:48 The Money Mindset in Sales10:09 Expecting a Yes: The Key to Sales Success15:41 Understanding Performance Types in Sales19:39 Coaching High Performers Effectively25:52 The Cost of Underperformance31:44 The Importance of Coaching in Business36:09 The Role of Money in Performance40:56 Balancing Short-Term Gains with Long-Term Relationships44:08 Leadership Culture and Its Impact on Sales48:33 Data-Driven Decisions in Sales Management54:10 Listener Question: What to Look for in a CFO in 202559:57 Building Effective Leadership Dynamics

In this episode of the Real Math of Business, Alena Bennett speaks with Daniel Munk, CEO of Wests Illawarra, about the intricate relationship between people and profit in business. They explore the importance of honesty in leadership, the impact of values on company culture, and the necessity of long-term thinking in business strategies. Daniel shares insights from his diverse career journey, emphasising the need for leaders to adapt to change and support their employees. The conversation highlights the significance of trust, community impact, and the legacy of leadership in shaping successful organisations.The Real Math of Business with Alena Bennett is a podcast where we look beyond the numbers in business; where people serve people, and the maths just works.Chapters00:00 The Real Math of Business00:40 WINATM: Honesty is at a Premium in Business05:05 Chat with Daniel Munk10:52 Danny's Career Journey20:04 People Over Profit26:52 The Importance of Values32:29 Thinking Long-Term38:49 Personal Growth and Leadership47:36 Closing Thoughts and Reflections52:31 The Power of Honesty in Leadership52:32 Realizing the True Math of Business59:02 RMOB Faster .mp4

In this episode of the Real Math of Business podcast, Alena Bennett interviews Harry Marfatia, who shares his interesting career through many industries and insights on the importance of a purpose-driven mindset in business. Harry discusses his career trajectory, emphasising the need for finance to be business-driven rather than just number-focused. He highlights the significance of culture in driving business success and the role of values in decision-making. The conversation also touches on the importance of creating a productive workforce and the need for CFOs to uphold organizational values while navigating business challenges.Alena shares her WINATM about Warren Buffett's retirement, and his lessons on business hygiene, as well as a listener question.To reach out to Harry Marfatia:https://www.linkedin.com/in/harry-marfatia-0bb0a911/The Real Math of Business with Alena Bennett is a podcast where we look beyond the numbers in business; where people serve people, and the maths just works.And to grab a copy of Alena's latest book "CFO of the Future: https://www.alenabennett.com.au/booksAnd to reach out to Alena:www.alenabennett.com.auhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/ Chapters00:00: Intro and Warren Buffett Retires; His Lessons on Business Hygiene05:30 Introduction and Purpose-Driven Mindset07:33 Career Journey and Strategic Planning12:33 Finance as a Business Driver16:23 Ingredients for Business Success19:12 Culture vs. Finance in Business23:16 Values and Community Impact24:55 Navigating Business Decisions27:58 Fear of Losing vs. Frustration of Not Winning32:38 Learning from Challenges and Driving Value34:35 Listener Question

In this episode, Alena Bennett interviews Julia Van Graas, co-founder of Leaders on Demand, discussing her journey from becoming an accountant to leading in the field of leadership and culture. They explore the importance of understanding business dynamics, the evolving nature of leadership, and the critical role of emotional intelligence and purpose in achieving success. Julia shares insights on navigating special situations, the necessity of execution in leadership, and the courage required to have difficult conversations. The conversation emphasises that leadership is a collective effort, and investing in people is essential for organisational success.Alena also shares her WINATM on health; and answers a listener question about how to keep up with all the innovations and change going onTo reach out to Julia Van Graas:Linkedin: /juliavangraas/The Real Math of Business with Alena Bennett is a podcast where we look beyond the numbers in business; where people serve people, and the maths just works.Chapters00:00 Intro and WINATM: Health and Business08:02 Introduction to Julia Van Graas09:20 The Journey to Accounting11:48 Understanding Business in Special Situations14:52 Defining Business Success18:54 The Importance of Execution in Leadership26:49 Navigating Change and Courage in Leadership31:02 Courage to Change and Redirect Resources33:26 Understanding Purpose at Organizational and Individual Levels35:25 Navigating Generational Leadership Challenges39:38 Emotional Literacy and Leadership Development43:21 Balancing Numbers and People in Leadership47:09 Engaging Teams for Collective Success51:45 Listener Question

In this episode of the Real Math of Business podcast, Alena Bennett interviews David Gunn, a risk management expert, who shares his unique perspective on risk as a strategic enabler in business. David discusses his career journey, the importance of positivity in risk management, and how to create a culture of smart risk-taking within organisations. He emphasises the need for resilience in the current business landscape and the significance of embedding risk management into everyday business practices. The conversation highlights the value of storytelling, language, and open dialogue in making risk management relevant and impactful. Alena also shares her WINATM (What I'm Noticing At The Moment) about whether companies can burn out, and a listener question about feeling unfulfilled in a current role.To reach out to David Gunn;https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-gunn-b485502/The Real Math of Business with Alena Bennett is a podcast where we look beyond the numbers in business; where people serve people, and the maths just works.And to grab a copy of Alena's latest book "CFO of the Future: https://www.alenabennett.com.au/booksAnd to reach out to Alena:www.alenabennett.com.auhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/ Chapters00:00 Introduction and WINATM: Can Companies Burn Out03:00 Introduction to David Gunn05:42 The Meaning Behind 'No Risk, No Biscuit'08:56 David's Career Journey and Mindset on Risk15:18 The Current Business Landscape and Risk18:03 Defining Resilience and Strategic Risk22:29 Creating a Culture of Smart Risk at Xero28:23 Demonstrating the Value of Risk Management29:44 Introducing Risk in Innovative Environments34:39 The Importance of Language and Positivity in Risk Management38:42 Creating Value Through Strategic Conversations41:36 Common Sense vs. Common Practice in Risk Management47:14 Closing Thoughts: The Journey of Risk Management49:00 Listener Question and Close

As a bit of a teaser for our inaugural season, check out this clip where Alena shares her thought provoking question from episode one.What are your thoughts? Do you think a business can burn out?The Real Math of Business with Alena Bennett is a podcast where we look beyond the numbers in business; where people serve people, and the maths just works.