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The ZenRUN Podcast
by Michelle Frost
All things mental and physical health! You’ll find in-depth interviews with runners as we delve into why they run and what keeps them running. And interviews with specialists on the brain and the effects of exercise on it – chemically and physically. Plus tips to keep you moving with a positive mindset.. So much goodness
Episodes
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Episode 703 - Delirious West 2027 Series INTRO - Michelle Frost: “Ben, You’ve Taken Over My Podcast”
Well, this is a little different. I’m usually the one asking everyone else about their Delirious training, but Ben Pyman has decided it’s my turn to answer the questions. 😂 So for the next six months, Ben is taking over the interviewer’s chair and following my own journey towards the Delirious...
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Episode 702 - Delirious West 2027 Series INTRO - Jacqueline Catania: “My Whole Life Has Become an Equation”
Jacqueline Catania already knows Delirious W.E.S.T. pretty well. She’s finished the 100 miler, attempted the 200, and in 2027 she’s coming back with one fairly simple goal: get to the finish line. Although, after what happened last time, there’s now an awful lot more science involved. 😂 In this...
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Episode 700 - ZenRUN Moment 20: Finish Your Run Gently
What do you do the moment your run finishes? This week’s ZenRUN Moment is all about those first few minutes after you stop running. For many of us, the run ends with a tap of the watch and we immediately switch back into life mode. We pull out our phone, think about what’s next, jump in the car…
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Episode 701 - Delirious West 2027 Series INTRO - Craig Jeffrey: What Happens When Your Brain Checks Out Before Your Legs Do?
Craig Jeffrey is back for another Delirious W.E.S.T. journey. Craig finished the 200 miler in 2025, but his planned return the following year never made it to the start line when life had other ideas. Now he’s back, preparing for 2027 and very happy to be part of the Delirious madness again. In...
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Episode 699 - Delirious West 2027: Gaby Villa – Are You Fuelling the Training, or Just the Race?
When we think about nutrition for a 100 or 200 miler, it’s pretty easy to jump straight to race day. What goes in the drop bags? Gels or real food? How much do I need to eat? But Gaby Villa reckons we need to start much earlier than that. Gaby is a dietitian, sports nutritionist and endurance...
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Episode 698 - Delirious West 2027 Medic Tips with Kat Booth: Should You Pre-Tape Your Feet?
We’ve got something new for the Delirious West 2027 series! Once a month I’ll be catching up with Delirious race medic Kat Booth for a quick chat about the things that might help keep you moving during the 100 or 200 miler, and hopefully mean you need to visit Kat and the medic team a little less...
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Episode 697 - Delirious West 2027 Series INTRO - Nikki Frost: “Apparently I Have to Do It Again”
Nikki Frost is back for another Delirious W.E.S.T. series. And yes, she’s also my daughter, which means there is absolutely no shortage of opinions about who is responsible for any of this. 😂 Nikki’s relationship with running started long before she had much say in the matter, thanks to a...
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Episode 696 - Delirious West 2027 Series INTRO - Stuart Rainbow: Apparently “Never Again” Has an Expiry Date
Stuart Rainbow has already had a rather complicated relationship with the Delirious W.E.S.T. 200 miler. There’s been a DNF, a return trip, a finish line… and at one point a very definite “never again”. So naturally, he’s coming back in 2027. 😂 In this first catch-up for the Delirious West 2027...
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Episode 695 - Delirious West 2027 Series INTRO - Shane Connolly: “I Need to Do Something That Scares Me”
Shane Connolly is currently travelling around Europe, lives out of a Troopy when he’s back in Australia, and has signed up for his first 200 miler. This feels entirely consistent with the rest of his life. 😂 In this first catch-up for the Delirious West 2027 series, we get to know Shane and how…
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Episode 694 - Delirious West 2027 Series INTRO - Ashling Rogan: “I Don’t Know If I Even Call Myself a Runner”
Ashling Rogan isn’t entirely sure she’d call herself a runner. Which is interesting, because she’s currently training for the Delirious W.E.S.T. 100 miler. 😂 In this first catch-up for the Delirious West 2027 series, we get to know Ash and how running went from something easy and convenient to...
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Episode 693 - ZenRUN Moment 19: Let Your Run Meet You Where You Are
How often do you expect every run to feel exactly the same? This week’s ZenRUN Moment is a gentle reminder that every run meets a different version of you. Some days you feel energised, strong, and ready to go. Other days your legs feel heavy, your mind is busy, or you’re simply running on empty....
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Episode 692 - Delirious West 2027 Series INTRO - Murray Hodgson: At 66, the Best Is Still Ahead
Murray Hodgson has been running in one form or another for most of his life, but at 66 he reckons the best might still be ahead of him. And somehow, retirement has turned into a rather serious backyard ultra habit. 😂 In this first catch-up for the Delirious West 2027 series, we get to know…
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Episode 691 - Delirious West 2027 Series INTRO - Paige Krekeler: Choosing Races for All the Right Wrong Reasons
Paige Krekeler is travelling all the way from the United States to Western Australia to take on the Delirious W.E.S.T. 200 miler. And after talking to Paige for a while, this decision starts to make a surprising amount of sense. 😂 Paige has a slightly unusual way of choosing races. Sometimes the...
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Episode 690 - Chris Sarra on Running, Resilience and Rewriting What’s Possible
In this episode of ZenRUN, I chat with Chris Sarra about running, resilience, identity, family, and the powerful lessons that can come from simply putting one foot in front of the other. Chris grew up in Bundaberg, in a big family, with rugby league, backyard sport, and plenty of stories from...
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Episode 689 - Delirious West 2027 Series INTRO - Ben Pyman: These Words Could Come Back to Haunt Me
Ben Pyman is back on the podcast and back at Delirious West in 2027, although this time he’s doubled the distance. After completing the 100 miler twice, Ben has decided there was really only one logical next step. The 200. 😂 In this first catch-up for the Delirious West 2027 series, we go back…
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Episode 688 - Delirious West 2027 Series INTRO -John Herzfeld: This Time He’s Actually Going to Train
John Herzfeld has already finished the Delirious W.E.S.T. 200 miler once. Apparently that means the obvious thing to do is come back and do it again. 😂 In this first catch-up for the Delirious West 2027 series, we get to know John and the slightly unconventional path that eventually led him into...
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Episode 687 - Delirious West 2027 Series INTRO - Brad Halls: Delirious Is Basically a Very Long Party
Brad Halls reckons he’s more of a shuffler than a runner. Which feels slightly questionable when you’ve already finished the Delirious W.E.S.T. 100 miler and 200 miler. 😂 Brad only started running a few years ago, after swapping motorbikes for a pair of running shoes. Somewhere along the way, a...
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Episode 686 - Delirious West 2027 Series INTRO - Levi Quinton: If I’m Not Sleeping, I Might as Well Run
Levi Quinton has already experienced Delirious West from the other side. In 2026, he was part of the race team, chasing runners around the course, watching their stories unfold and getting a very close look at just how much can happen over 200 miles. Apparently that wasn’t enough. Now he wants to...
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Episode 685 - ZenRUN Moment 18: Run without checking your watch for five minutes
When was the last time you ran for five whole minutes without checking your watch? This week’s ZenRUN Moment is a simple challenge that can feel surprisingly difficult. On your next run, leave your watch alone for the first five minutes. No checking your pace. No looking at your distance. No...
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Episode 684 - Delirious West 2027 Series INTRO - Craig Maluish: From a Few Kilometres to 200 Miles
Craig Maluish has a bit of an all-or-nothing streak. He wasn’t a runner growing up. Skateboarding was his thing, and running only really entered the picture during a pretty significant turning point in his life. His solution? Start with a few kilometres, attempt some enormous days on the…
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Episode 683 - Delirious West 2027 Series INTRO - Ben Ridley: “I’m Never Doing Delirious Again”
Ben Ridley once said he was never doing Delirious again. So naturally, he’s signed up for the 200 miler in 2027. 😂 In this first catch-up of the Delirious West 2027 series, we go back to where Ben’s running started, which is quite a long way from 200-mile ultras. Running definitely wasn’t his...
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Episode 682 - From Hating Running to 100 Milers with Kelli O’Neill
Kelli O’Neill hated running at school. These days, she’s a trail runner and ultra runner who has taken on everything from UTA 50 to Delirious 100 milers, with plenty of adventures, wrong turns and good stories along the way. In this episode, we chat about how a women’s triathlon helped lead Kelli...
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Episode 681 - Delirious West 2027 Series INTRO - Paul Watkins: What Happens When You Keep Asking “Can I Do That?”
Paul Watkins describes himself as having “close to zero sporting ability”, which makes the rest of his story rather entertaining. Running started as the sport he could actually get into at school. Somehow, that eventually led to mountaineering expeditions, Arctic ultra marathons, dragging sleds...
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Episode 680 - Delirious West 2027 Series INTRO - Was It a Fluke? Gabe Alves Heads Back to Delirious
Gabe Alves is back for another Delirious West adventure. After three starts at the 200 miler, including finally making it all the way to the finish in 2026, you might think he’d be happy to tick that one off and move on. Apparently not. 😂 In this first catch-up for the 2027 series, Gabe talks...
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Episode 679 - ZenRUN Moment 17: Notice when you start enjoying yourself
Have you ever noticed the exact moment during a run when you start actually enjoying yourself? This week’s ZenRUN Moment is about something that sounds obvious, but most of us probably miss it: notice when you start enjoying yourself. There’s often a point where the run shifts. Your body loosens...
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Episode 678 - Redefining What Running Looks Like with Alissa Wilkinson
What happens when running has always been part of who you are… and suddenly your body changes what running can look like? This week on the ZenRUN Podcast, I’m chatting with runner, triathlete and physiotherapist Alissa Wilkinson. Alissa grew up in the little surf town of Crescent Head before…
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Episode 677 - ZenRUN Moment 16: Feel the rhythm of your breathing
Have you ever noticed that your breathing has its own rhythm while you run? This week’s ZenRUN Moment is all about becoming curious about your breath, not trying to control it. As you head out on your next run, simply notice what your breathing is doing. Does it speed up on the hills? Settle into...
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Episode 676 - From Hating Running to Chasing the Impossible with Frank Collins
Frank Collins hated running growing up. These days, he seems to have a habit of looking for running challenges that appear slightly ridiculous and thinking, that sounds good. 😂 In this episode of the ZenRUN Podcast, I chat with Frank about how someone who didn’t enjoy school sport or road…
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Episode 675 - ZenRUN Moment: 15: Slow down when your mind races
Not every difficult run is caused by tired legs. Sometimes it's our thoughts that make the run feel harder than it really is. We start telling ourselves we're too slow, not fit enough, or that we should be running better. Before long, our mind is working against us instead of with us. This week's...
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Episode 674 - From Bangkok to 162km: Nida Collins on Running, Fear and Finding Out What’s Possible
In this episode of the ZenRUN Podcast, I chat with trail and ultra runner Nida Collins. Nida grew up in Bangkok, where heading out the door for a run definitely wasn’t part of everyday life. In fact, her own running journey didn’t really begin until years later in Australia, thanks in part to a...
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Episode 673 - ZenRUN Moment 14: Check your shoulders on hills
Do your shoulders seem to climb the hill before the rest of you? Hills have a funny way of creating tension without us even noticing. As soon as the gradient increases, our shoulders creep towards our ears, our jaw tightens, our fists clench, and our breathing can become short and choppy. This...
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Episode 672 - From 130kg Gamer to Backyard Ultra Enthusiast | Bart Campbell
In this episode of the ZenRUN Podcast, I chat with the incredibly inspiring Bart Campbell. Bart grew up in the Adelaide Hills and, by his own admission, wasn’t the sporty kid. He was the chubby kid hanging out the back of the softball field, more interested in computers, movies and gaming than...
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Episode 671 - ZenRUN Moment 13: Notice one beautiful thing
How many times have you finished a run and realised you barely noticed where you were? It’s easy to spend an entire run focused on pace, distance, or the thoughts swirling around in our heads. This week’s ZenRUN Moment is a gentle reminder to look up, look around, and notice just one beautiful...
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Episode 670 - Running Through Life’s Different Seasons with Kat Cacavas
In this episode of the ZenRUN Podcast, I chat with the wonderful Kat Cacavas. Kat is a dietitian, health promotion officer, yoga teacher, marathon runner, charity founder, traveller and someone who has spent much of her life helping other people live healthier lives. She grew up in Melbourne in a...
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Episode 669 - ZenRUN Moment 12: Notice how your feet land
Every running step begins with one simple thing - your foot meeting the ground. This week’s ZenRUN Moment is an invitation to become curious about that connection. As you head out on your next run, notice how your feet land. Are your footsteps light or heavy? Quick or flat? There’s no need to...
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Episode 668 - From “You’ll Never Run Again” to 200 Miles with David Martin ⭐
In this episode of the ZenRUN Podcast, I chat with Western Australian ultra runner David Martin. David works in IT and finance, once spent his teenage years sailing yachts to Rottnest Island, accidentally became president of AURA, owns several running phones and has a collection of boxer shorts...
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Episode 667 - ZenRUN Moment 11: Listen for the quiet moments
Running isn’t always quiet. There’s the sound of your footsteps, your breathing, passing traffic, birds, people, and, of course, the constant chatter inside your own mind. It’s easy to think a peaceful run means complete silence, but this week’s ZenRUN Moment invites you to discover something...
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Episode 666 - How Running Helped Kat Booth Rebuild Her Life
In this episode of the ZenRUN Podcast, I chat with the wonderfully energetic, endlessly entertaining and slightly foot-obsessed Kat Booth. If you have been anywhere near the Delirious W.E.S.T. events, you may already know Kat as the nurse who appears when your feet have stopped resembling feet.…
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Episode 665 - ZenRUN Moment 10: Notice What Your Arms Are Doing
When was the last time you thought about what your arms were doing while you ran? Most of us spend plenty of time thinking about our legs, our pace, or our breathing, but our arms quietly play an important role in helping us move efficiently. This week’s ZenRUN Moment is about bringing your...
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Episode 664 - From Slowest at School to Comrades: Sally Pymer’s Running Journey
Today on the ZenRUN Podcast, I’m chatting with the wonderful Sally Pymer - runner, Ironman athlete, Comrades finisher, former fitness instructor, counsellor, speaker, farmer’s wife and strong believer in the power of a smile. Sally grew up in regional Victoria in a family where learning, sport…
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Episode 663 - ZenRUN Moment 9: Run the First Five Minutes Slower Than You Want To
How often do you head out the door and settle into your running pace almost immediately? This week’s ZenRUN Moment is an invitation to do the opposite. On your next run, deliberately spend the first five minutes running slower than feels necessary. It might feel strange at first - maybe even a...
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Episode 662 - Nancy Williams: Big Goals, Finding Belonging and Just Taking the Next Step
Today on the ZenRUN Podcast, I’m chatting with my wonderful friend Nancy Williams. Nancy is a runner, ultra runner, race director, event manager, single mum, serial degree collector, cross-stitch enthusiast and the calm-looking swan behind some seriously complicated running events. Although, as...
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Episode 661 - ZenRUN Moment 8: Relax Your Jaw During Your Run
Have you ever noticed what your jaw is doing while you run? It might sound like an odd thing to pay attention to, but it’s amazing how much tension we carry there without even realising it. This week’s ZenRUN Moment is all about one simple check-in: relaxing your jaw while you run. As you’re...
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Episode 660 - From the Simpson Desert to Sierra Leone with Jos Middleton
In this episode of the ZenRUN Podcast, I chat with the wonderfully adventurous Jos Middleton - mental health leader, ultra runner, traveller, volunteer, reluctant road marathoner and someone who seems genetically incapable of doing anything by halves. Jos grew up in Scarborough in the north of...
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Episode 659 - ZenRUN Moment 7: Feel the Air Change as You Move
When was the last time you paid attention to the air around you while you were running? This week’s ZenRUN Moment is a simple invitation to reconnect with the environment you’re moving through. Instead of focusing on pace, distance, or what’s next on your to-do list, spend a few minutes noticing...
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Episode 658 - MFYU Mini Series - BONUS - Behind the Yards - The People, Chaos and Community of Melbourne Frontyard Ultra
Welcome to this special bonus episode in the 2026 Melbourne Frontyard Ultra Mini-Series on the ZenRUN Podcast. So far in this series, we’ve been following individual athletes through their event - from the start line, through the yards, into the tired bits, the funny bits, the crew moments, and...
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Episode 657 - Nagiska Mayes — From 200 Metres to Backyard Ultras, Big Feelings, and Finding Her People
In this episode of the ZenRUN Podcast, I chat with the wonderful, funny, honest, mud-covered-in-the-car-after-a-run, Nagiska Mayes. And honestly? What a joy. Nagiska first appeared in the Melbourne Frontyard Ultra Mini-Series, but this time we get to properly sit down and find out more about who...
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Episode 656 - ZenRUN Moment 6: notice when your body settles
Have you ever noticed that many runs start out feeling a bit… awkward? Your legs feel heavy. Your breathing feels off. Your body isn’t quite sure what’s happening. And sometimes your brain is already suggesting that maybe today isn’t the day for a run at all. This week’s ZenRUN Moment is about...
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Episode 655 - MFYU Mini Series - Paul Pratt’s Melbourne Frontyard Ultra Journey - 34 Yards, Charlie’s Big Moment and the Bigger Story
Welcome to the next episode in the 2026 Melbourne Frontyard Ultra Mini-Series on the ZenRUN Podcast. This series follows a handful of athletes through their actual Melbourne Frontyard Ultra journey - not just the neat result at the end, but the little check-ins along the way. The early…
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Episode 654 - Jason Rantall - Running, Recovery, Backyard Ultras and Finding Better Mental Health
In this episode of the ZenRUN Podcast, I chat with the wonderful Jason Rantall - runner, dad, mental health advocate, Better Mental founder, and a very familiar face in the Melbourne Frontyard Ultra world. And honestly, this one is powerful. Jason’s story starts in Gisborne, growing up in a small...
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
All things mental and physical health! You’ll find in-depth interviews with runners as we delve into why they run and what keeps them running. And interviews with specialists on the brain and the effects of exercise on it – chemically and physically. Plus tips to keep you moving with a positive mindset.. So much goodness
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Michelle Frost
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