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Trauma | Resonance | Resilience
by Dr Lisa Cherry
Hosted by Dr Lisa Cherry, this podcast is a multi-agency, inter disciplinary resource for those who work in education, social care, criminal justice or health and to listen to conversations that make a difference. Utilising the wisdom of lived experience, academic research and practice knowledge, we will support you in your work of developing trauma informed, relationally focused practice developing safe, supportive and healing environments. Our collective focus is threefold; preventing harm, not adding to harm, seeking to mitigate harm when it has already happened. Join us as we explore better ways of working together, sharing emerging research the best practices, all while deep diving into empathy, connection and authenticity.
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Season 7, Episode 2, Dr Lucy Johnstone on Mental Health Services and the Dilution of Trauma-Informed Care
Send us Fan MailJoin Dr Lisa Cherry and Dr Lucy Johnstone as they explore why trauma-informed practice becomes diluted when services keep diagnosis, coercion and the medical model intact. They explore meaning-making, formulation and the Power Threat Meaning Framework as practical ways to build understanding without turning distress into disorder.RESOURCES:'A disorder 4 everyone' events and resources: www.adisorder4everyone.com'A straight talking introduction to psychiatric diagnosis' https://www.pccs-books.co.uk/products/sti-diagnosisResources and information about the Power Threat Meaning Framework: https://www.bps.org.uk/news-and-policy/introducing-power-threat-meaning-frameworkA video about the Power Threat Meaning Framework: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWAv4IBsCjcAccessible introduction to the PTMF and how to use it: https://www.pccs-books.co.uk/products/a-straight-talking-introduction-to-the-power-threat-meaning-framework-an-alternative-to-psychiatric-diagnosisFollow the PTM Framework on Twitter @PTMFramework and on Bluesky: ptm-framework.bsky.social Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 7, Episode 1, Dr Karen Treisman Exploring When Trauma-Informed Becomes A Buzzword
Send us Fan MailWelcome to Episode 1 of a 5-part series on Resisting the Dilution of Trauma Informed Practice. Join Dr Lisa Cherry in conversation with Dr Karen Treisman as they explore how 'Trauma-informed' came to be on websites, job adverts, strategies and posters everywhere, but what happens when the terminology travels faster than the creation of the opportunity for transformation? Together they unpack how trauma informed care gets reduced to slogans, checklists and superficial signals, while day-to-day behaviours still communicate blame, shame and disconnection. Karen and Lisa explore why the mismatch between what a service promises and what it delivers can feel like betrayal, and how that can re-traumatise children, families and staff. They also get practical about what “modelling the model” looks like; noticing our own nervous systems, naming mistakes, apologising and doing relational repair, rather than hiding behind perfect-sounding language.If you want to think about trauma-informed organisational change that is honest, grounded, and safe, then you'll enjoy this conversation. Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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A Short Message from Dr Lisa Cherry - Brand New Series Coming!
Send us Fan MailSupport the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Care-experience and Belonging; From Care To Courtroom With Lucy Kate Barnes
Send us Fan MailJoin Dr Lisa Cherry in conversation with Lucy Kate Barnes as we talk about what it means to be openly care-experienced in public life and how we choose to tell our stories. This conversation was inspired by both Lucy and Lisa being nominated for different awards at the National Diversity Awards 2026. They reflect upon: navigating how to speak about trauma without being defined by it noticing how stigma shows up as pity and professional gatekeeping reacting to National Diversity Awards nominations and why representation matters thinking about legacy and what it means to have your work recognised arguing for belonging beyond servicesthe birth of Lawyers Who Carecalling for deeper trauma understanding across the legal profession and beyond You can vote for Lisa HERE and you can vote for Lucy HERE! If you've enjoyed this episode, please consider sharing or reviewing. Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Squirrel Searches For Love - The Creation of A Children's Book on Loss
Send us Fan MailJoin Dr Lisa Cherry in conversation with Fiona Holiday, Play Therapist and illustrator of the children's book on loss "Squirrel's Search for Love", a book conceived from Lisa becoming a Grandma and also having a life-limiting illness.There is an honest discussion about the early, foggy stage of creating when Lisa was unwell and how a strong collaboration can hold uncertainty until the story finds its shape. Fiona shares her craft process of building a sketchbook trail of ideas, creating consistency across pages and doing the preparation that lets the final artwork stay fresh.We also dig into why illustration and storytelling are such powerful tools for children’s bereavement and grief support. Pictures can carry meaning on a non verbal level, offering continuity, safety and tiny details that children return to as they make sense of loss. If you’re writing a children’s book for the first time, or you're working with children and using a trauma informed lens, or you want to talk to children you're caring for about death with compassion, this conversation is for you.Buy the book HERE. Learn more about Fiona HERE.Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 6, Episode Six, Liminality and The World Between Worlds
Send us Fan MailJoin Dr Lisa Cherry in Conversation with psychic medium Nikki Leader for the final episode in this 6 part series on liminality! We explore liminality in the world between worlds, tracing how trauma can open intuition and how small rituals help us cross from fear to becoming. We reflect on trauma as a portal to intuition and change, and rituals as bridges for separation, transition and integration. Nikki gets a mention in my blog post on The New Year That Belongs to Everyone where we talk about 17th February! You can find Nikki's website here and she is also on Instagram and TikTok. Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Series 6, Episode Five, Liminality and Compassion
Send us Fan MailJoin Dr Lisa Cherry in conversation with Dr Jo Taylor as they explore liminality as a human constant and argue why compassion is not optional when lives sit between identities, roles and outcomes. From school supervision rooms to street-level tensions, we share tools to widen safety, practise care and make change sustainable.In this episode we talked about fears, blocks and resistances to compassion, which are totally human. You can read more about Fears of Compassion in this seminal paper link here.We discussed the way that checking in with - and mapping - the flows of compassion in your life and work can be helpful. You can give this a try using Jo's resource the Wheel of Compassion.You can find Jo and learn more about his work on LinkedIn and his website is here. Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Series 6, Episode Four, Liminality and Work Cultures; From The Police to Gymnastics
Send us Fan MailJoin Dr Lisa Cherry in conversation with Geraldine Costello, Director of Governance and Safe Sport at British Gymnastics, where we look at the liminal space between work cultures; the police and gymnastics. What happens when a career built on command and certainty collides with a mission that depends on trust, listening and repair? We explore how safeguarding shifts from policy to lived practice when survivors are heard and institutions choose to change.Geraldine traces her path from the police cadets to child protection and multi-agency hubs, where she discovered that careful interviewing, cross-sector teamwork, and dignity-centred practice could change lives. She unpacks the contradictions of tackling domestic abuse and safeguarding in a culture still wrestling with misogyny and the allies and mentors who helped her stand firm. Then we follow her leap into youth guiding and sport, where volunteers, community and equity reshape how influence works. No badges. No warrants. Just persuasion, clarity and relationships that make safety possible.Inside British Gymnastics, a newly created safe sport role emerged in the wake of the White Review and a surge of testimonies. Geraldine explains how governance, complaint handling and trauma-informed processes are being rebuilt to protect athletes, support coaches and clubs and restore trust through transparency and consistent apology. She shares the personal scaffolding behind resilience, counselling, coaching, reflection, and how leaders can navigate the long middle of change without losing heart.If you value thoughtful leadership, safe sport and trauma-informed practice, this conversation offers a grounded playbook for culture change. Subscribe, share with a colleague who works in safeguarding or youth sport and leave a review to tell us what resonated most.You can connect with Geraldine on LinkedIn here: www.linkedin.com/in/geraldinecostelloSupport the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Series 6, Episode Three, Liminality and The Making Of A Teacher
Send us Fan MailContinuing the exploration of liminality, join Dr Lisa Cherry in conversation with Tracey Smith, who taught for many years in primary schools in Oxfordshire. She was Headteacher for Bladon, Tower Hill and New Marston Primary Schools in Oxfordshire, before becoming Head of Primary Teacher Training at the University of Buckingham. Tracey returned to Headship as Executive Headteacher of two Faringdon Primary Schools before continuing working with teacher training and supervision at the University of Buckingham. Tracey is also a trainer and consultant for Values-based Education and is in the process of completing her EdD entitled 'Working-Class Teachers and the Issue of Belonging in a Middle-Class Profession'. She has co-authored a book on Teacher Training with Barnaby Lenon (Hachette) and is writing her second book entitled: A Framework for Values-Based Education: From Vision to Practice (Emerald Publishing)In this conversation, Lisa and Tracey explore how liminal transitions shape teacher identity, belonging and retention, with a focus on working class teachers navigating middle class norms. Stories, theory and practical steps show how mentoring, culture and values-based leadership turn the uncertainty of a liminal space into growth and transformation.Topics covered include:Defining liminality and communitas in schoolsClass, accent and identity pressures in early careerValues-based leadership, psychological safety and agencyReading culture through staff room signals and tacit rulesRepresentation as aspiration for pupils and teachersGramsci, Hall and the theory behind belongingPractical rituals that build shared trust and ease transitionsLeadership attention to staff wellbeing as a lever for outcomesYou can connect with Tracey on LinkedIn HERE. Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Series 6, Episode Two, Liminality & Adoption.
Send us Fan MailJoin Dr Lisa Cherry in conversation with Annalisa Toccara-Jones on liminality and adoption.Annalisa is a Doctoral researcher in Journalism at the University of Sheffield, an award-winning cultural producer, communications strategist, and graduate teaching associate. As an adoptee, her research explores how UK adult adoptees use social media to challenge dominant adoption narratives and highlight the colonial logics that shape UK adoption, drawing on decolonial theory, the theory of intersectionality, and critical adoption studies. She teaches on media, identity, and social justice, and her work spans digital storytelling, community engagement, and lived-experience-led practice. Outside academia, she supports charities and creative projects with narrative strategy and ethical communications focused on adoption, racialised care, and wider public dialogue.You can find her on: LinkedIn Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 6, Episode One - Crossing Boundaries: How Liminal Moments Reshape Identity And Belonging
Send us Fan MailJoin Dr Lisa Cherry for Episode One in this 6-Part series on liminality. Lisa is in conversation with Professor Bjørn Thomassen, Professor in Global Political Sociology at Roskilde University, to unpack liminality. They explore the in‑between phase after an old identity collapses and before a new one takes hold and why that space is powerful, precarious and everywhere in modern life. Starting from rites of passage, we look at what happens when there’s no recognised guide to carry us through and how that vacuum can invite both care and manipulation.Together, we map the difference between chosen and forced transitions, the craft of “ceremony masters” in today’s systems, belonging and home, showing how poorly designed services can trap people in extended liminal states. Connect with Bjorn on LinkedIn here. If this conversation gave you language for your work or your life, share it with a colleague, leave a review, and subscribe so you don't miss the next episodes in the Liminality series.References mentioned:Horvath, A., & Szakolczai, A. (2019). The political sociology and anthropology of evil: Tricksterology (1st ed.). Routledge.Szakolczai, A., & Thomassen, B. (2019). From anthropology to social theory: Rethinking the social sciences. Cambridge University Press.Thomassen, B. (2014). Liminality and the modern: Living through the in‑between. Routledge.Turner, V. (1969). Liminality and communitas. In The ritual process: Structure and anti-structure (pp. 94–113). Aldine PublishingVan Gennep, A. (1960). The rites of passage (M. B. Vizedom & G. L. Caffee, Trans.; S. T. Kimball, Intro.). The University of Chicago Press. (Original work published 1909) Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Brand NEW Series Starting Soon - Thinking About Liminality
Send us Fan MailIn this 6-part series, we will be exploring liminality in multiple ways, merging this understanding of in-betweenness with belonging and considering its relevance in making sense of people's experiences in education, in health and in children's services. Share far and wide, inviting people to subscribe to the podcast so that they don't miss out on the weekly episodes once they land! Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Caring for The People Who Care Introduction
Send us Fan MailIn this somewhat different episode for the podcast, Dr Lisa Cherry reads the Introduction of her upcoming book for you, which is out on 31st December 2025 and can be pre-ordered here. This book takes the reader on a journey around the country and across various different sectors to explore the aspect of Trauma Informed Practice that can be the most ignored and the most difficult to understand; collective care for those who are doing the work. Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 5, Episode 13, Social Worker Beth Vecchione on Dance for Children in Care
Send us Fan MailJoin Dr Lisa Cherry in conversation with Beth Vecchione on Care to Dance, a venture set up by Beth to bring the power of dancing to children experienced in, or experiencing care. Care to Dance can be found HERE! And you can connect with Beth HERE! Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 5, Episode 12, Amelia Brunt on Trauma Informed Supervision
Send us Fan MailJoin Dr Lisa Cherry and Amelia Brunt in conversation on trauma, whether supervision is s*xy and meeting yourself more deeply!*Since this podcast was recorded we have added a new date for the training that was mentioned which you can find here. Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 5, Episode 11, Whitney Iles on relational work and reducing violence, nutrition therapy and recovering from trauma.
Send us Fan MailJoin Dr Lisa Cherry and Whitney Iles speak on growing up with trauma, to working with communities living with violence, neurodivergence and moving into her body to begin to heal. Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 5, Episode 10, Lou Lebentz on Trauma Recovery, Psychotherapy and The Soul!
Send us Fan MailJoin Dr Lisa Cherry in conversation with Lou Lebentz as they explore trauma, trauma recovery and therapy.Lou Lebentz is a trauma educator, speaker, and creator of The Voyage® a mind-body-soul recovery framework used by clinicians, coaches, and changemakers worldwide. Lou brings over two decades of clinical therapeutic experience and her own lived journey through trauma, addiction, and illness into everything she teaches. She’s here to talk about the messy, sacred work of healing and what it takes to move from surviving to thriving.”You can find Lou on all the social media channels by name. Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 5, Episode 9, Betsy de Thierry on Trauma Recovery
Send us Fan MailJoin Dr Lisa Cherry in conversation with Betsy de Thierry as we explore trauma recovery, shame and rupture & repair. Betsy's latest book can be purchased here and Betsy can be found on all social media platforms.Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 5, Episode 8, Jules Hillier, CEO of Pause, on Trauma Informed Organisational Approaches
Send us Fan MailJoin Dr Lisa Cherry in conversation with Jules Hillier, CEO of Pause, as they explore trauma informed approaches to the organisation and how having cancer has influenced how she strives to lead an organisation where the workforce is regulated enough to do the deep work. Pause is a national charity that works to improve the lives of women who have had, or are at risk of having, more than one child removed from their care, and the services and systems that affect them. This podcast talks about cancer, cancer treatment so do take care if you need to. Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Win a Ticket to Our Dream Big Conference!
Send us Fan MailOn 9th October 2025, we are hosting our Dream Big! conference in Manchester and we are nearly sold out! So we thought we'd have a little competition for someone to win a ticket!This conference will open up a space, providing insights and interventions, experiential moments of somatic sensations and a felt sense of being held. As a not for profit event we have ensured that you will be cared for throughout and you will learn practices that support you in your own development journey which then directly impacts your practice with those you are working with. Find out more abut the conference here. To enter the competition to win a ticket, please write to [email protected] The winner will be announced on 1st July 2025! Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 5, Episode 7, Sarah Johnson on belonging in education and beyond.
Send us Fan MailJoin Dr Lisa Cherry in converstion with Sarah Johnson as they explore belonging in education. Sarah's research is looking at belonging in alternative provisions and Lisa's research looked at belonging as understood by adults who were care experienced and excluded from school. There is a space in the middle of both of those pieces of research where they meet. Find out more about Cultviating Belonging as an antidote to trauma! Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 5, Episode 6, Vicki Shevlin on overcoming challenges for new Social Workers
Send us Fan MailJoin Dr Lisa Cherry and Vicki Shevlin, founder of Social Work Sorted and generous podcast host on Social Work Sorted, as they untangle how to simplify some of the more prickly aspects of social work. You can find Vicki here: Web - https://www.socialworksorted.com/LinkedIn - https://uk.linkedin.com/in/vicki-shevlin-820171256Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 5, Episode 5, Ian Thomas on compassion, addiction and authenticity
Send us Fan MailDr Lisa Cherry is in conversation with social worker Ian Thomas, where we discuss lived experiences of addiction, recovery and compassion. You can find Ian on LinkedIn. Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 5, Episode 4, Jonny Hoyle on AI and Social Work.
Send us Fan MailDr Lisa Cherry is in this conversation with social worker Jonny Hoyle where we discuss how AI isn’t the future; it’s the present. Social work needs to have the difficult conversations and steer the destination rather than waiting, not knowing or misusing it.We explore how the work around this is in two parts which should interact; technology and ethics. We need to use technology for the things we decide it should do, not necessarily for what it could do.We also talk about record keeping and the role of AI not just for the child now, but for the adult that the child will become. Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 5, Episode 3, Richard Rose on the practice of therapeutic life story work
Send us Fan MailDr Lisa Cherry is in conversation with Prof Richard Rose talking about the development and creation of therapeutic life story work which is now a widely used practice in much social work around the UK, Australia and many other countries. We talk about fractured childhoods, missing pieces and our deep desire to figure out who we are and where we're from. Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 5, Episode 2, Chris Braitch on recovering from the trauma of a childhood in boarding school
Send us Fan MailChris explores the trauma of abandonment and privilege – Elite boarding schools, their impact on Britain and the world, the wounded leaders that come from them, generational trauma and the wounds that have to be healed in adulthood.Chris invites us to face into the abuse legacy of UK private schools, why there is much left to do and it’s not “all better now” as the schools would have us believe.Lisa draws some parallels between boarding school and care.... Chris Braitch is on LinkedIn and the website is www.seenandheard.org.ukSupport the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 5, Episode 1, Expressing Research Findings Through Music
Send us Fan MailIn this fantastic episode not only does Lisa talk to Ric Flo about music, belonging and care but we release Big and Bold. Dr Lisa Cherry commissioned Ric Flo to create a piece of music from her research on belonging, communicating some of the themes, direct quotes and general sense of the wisdom given by the research participants. Our conversation contextualises the whole process. You can download the song HERE!We also invite you to make a donation to our chosen charity for the song, who work with care experienced young adults and beyond cultivating a sense of belonging for all those who come into contact with Right Resolution. They are a small charity so every penny really matters and is used on those using the service. Lisa is proud to be the Patron. Find Ric Flo on Instagram, Threads and LinkedIn (search Ric Flo or Ric Diage)Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 4, Episode 6, Emma Easton on Building Bridges of Trust with Young People
Send us Fan MailEmma Easton is the Education Manager of Spartans Community Education which provides youthwork led, trauma informed alternative education for primary and secondary children and young people, when mainstream is asking for more than they have to give. She works within these nurturing settings and leads a committed team of youth workers, teachers, volunteers and befrienders who know that relationships are at the heart of learning.Emma taught English in mainstream secondaries for 23 years and was a LiteracyDevelopment Officer for the City of Edinburgh Council. She is an associate tutor on the Edinburgh University PGDE course and has published one journal paper in the Scottish Affairs journal on ACES looking at the practical ways in which Spartans ‘Builds the Bridge of Trust’ with young people. She joined The Spartans Community Foundation’s Alternative Education team 9 years ago and has a particular interest in supporting the mental health of all young people and is on a journey to understand more about the presentation of autism and adhd in girls and women.Emma Easton:Twitter: @EmmaEaston5 Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Episode Three - Self Awareness: Endings and Beginnings
Send us Fan MailIn this three part, one off series, Dr Lisa Cherry is in conversation with Nikki Leader, close friend, energy healer and Sound Therapist, as they navigate cancer together. Join them as they explore the trauma of diagnosis, inner strength and allowing the beauty from within to shine!This episode has a sharp focus on endings and beginnings, self awareness with a discussion on death so do take care if that feels like that might be a lot for today.Episode One is here.Episode Two is here. Find Nikki here:Insta - @nikkileaderWeb - www.nikkileader.comSupport the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Episode Two - Navigating Nurturing The Self Through Cancer
Send us Fan MailIn this three part, one off series, Dr Lisa Cherry is in conversation with Nikki Leader, close friend, energy healer and Sound Therapist, as they navigate cancer together. Join them as they explore the trauma of diagnosis, inner strength and allowing the beauty from within to shine!This episode has a sharp focus on self care, collective and energy!Episode One is here and Episode Three is here. Find Nikki here:Insta - @nikkileaderWeb - www.nikkileader.comSupport the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Episode One - Finding The Beauty in Cancer
Send us Fan MailIn this three part, one off series, Dr Lisa Cherry is in conversation with Nikki Leader, close friend, energy healer and Sound Therapist, as they navigate cancer together. Join them as they explore the trauma of diagnosis, inner strength and allowing the beauty from within to shine!Episode Two is here and Episode Three can be found here. Find Nikki here:Insta - @nikkileaderWeb - www.nikkileader.comSupport the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 4, Episode 5, Colby Pearce on attachment, relationships and the importance of identity
Send us Fan MailIn conversation with Lisa Cherry today is Colby Pearce who is a Clinical Psychologist who lives and works on Kaurna (pronounced “Garna”), Nurungga (pronounced as it reads), and Nukunu (pronounced “nookunoo”) country in the land known as Australia. Across the last twenty-eight years Colby has worked continuously with children and young people recovering from a tough start to life, and adults who interact with them in care and professional roles. He maintains three busy psychotherapy clinics, but also finds time to write and deliver programs intended to enhance awareness of the experience, needs, and therapeutic care of young people who have experienced complex childhood trauma, including in Ireland. Colby also works with teams that support kinship carers of Australian Aboriginal Children, the stabilisation of kinship care arrangements, and family reunification. Colby is looking to expand his work with individuals and teams working in the child welfare space, and write more!Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 4, Episode 4, Andy and Matt from Smashlife on 'being the adults we needed."
Send us Fan MailThe Bio: "Smash Life was formed by Matt and Andy Smith who spent their childhood in the care system. The brothers were unfortunately abused in care but have spent a combined 40+ years working in various roles in social care to ensure their past pains have been used as a purpose to be a listening ear, voice and advocacy for many children navigating through their own care journey now. Both are “being who they needed when they were younger” Smash Life is an award winning company that leads from the heart and provides mentoring, experiences, events, group work, inspirational talks and training."W: http://smashlifeuk.com/And the promised music by Matt: https://www.sonnetsmith.com/sonnetsmith-music/Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 4, Episode 3, System Change, Culture Change & Trauma with Emm Irving from West Yorkshire
Send us Fan MailLisa Cherry is in conversation with Emm Irving, Senior Programme Manager for Improving Population Health, NHS West Yorkshire Integrated Care Board who leads on the Adversity, Trauma and Resilience Programme. The ambition is for the whole of West Yorkshire to become Trauma Informed by 2030. Lisa and Emm discuss the challenges, dealing with overwhelm and facing our own traumas alongside why we need to start with the workforce! Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 4, Episode 2, Changing The Culture: Trauma Informed Services
Send us Fan MailJoin Lisa Cherry and Karen Treisman in a live webinar conversation about changing organisational systems, services and cultures. Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 4, Episode 1, Breaking The Boundaries WEBINAR
Send us Fan MailJoin Lisa Cherry in conversation on a live webinar with Peter Blundell and Danica Darley on boundaries and relational practice. Professional boundaries are there for the safety and security of service users and professionals. However, there are factors that can increase professionals' use of boundaries that can lead to defensive and distance-based practice rather than relational and effective practice.The best professional social care practice is relational, yet boundaries (if used ineffectively) can interfere rather than foster those relationships.We are advocating for relationship-based professional boundaries practice, rather than a practice that is distance-based (i.e., creates barriers to relationships and change). We openly advocate for system change.We support safe, reflective and professional practice and are not supportive of practitioners working against systems unsupported, or in ways that could cause them or service users harm.Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 3, Episode 14, Alex Kemp on professional kindness in the helping professions
Send us Fan MailIn this episode, Lisa Cherry is in conversation with Alex Kemp exploring professional kindness, culture and leadership. Alexander Kemp has been working with children and families for over 20 years. He holds a degree in social work and a masters of public administration. He lives in Brighton with his husband who is a doctor working in intensive care. Alex is care experienced. Alex has worked in senior roles within large organisations specialising in the provision of services to children and families who need help and protection and with children in care and care leavers. Alex worked at Cafcass, the largest employer of social workers in the UK, as an assistant director for a large geographical area of England. In this role, he worked in partnership with the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in supporting the British Overseas Territories to develop and improve services for children and families. He trained and coached senior leaders abroad to support their development. Alex’s last role was in the UK as one of Her Majesty’s Inspectors of children’s social care; he is the first known care experienced person to have held this position. He inspected local authorities and other organisations including fostering agencies and children’s homes. Alex is one of only a handful of care experienced people in the UK who have progressed into such senior roles in large organisations responsible for providing help and support to children and families. He believes strongly that expertise by experience is undervalued. He has recently established an organisation which aims to support organisations and practitioners across the helping professions explore how and kindness and reflection influence the way in which professionals work. Alex also hopes to spend some time speaking, training and writing. Twitter - Alex - @AlexanderKempyLisa - @_lisacherrySupport the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 3, Episode 13, Luke Billingham on the impact of the terrifying abyss of insignificance on our young people
Send us Fan MailLuke Billingham, part-time researcher, part-time youth worker, talks all things about shifting the lens on how we view youth violence, the significance of mattering and how we need to step away from 'boundaries receptacles for blame'.Here's a link to the "Terrifying abyss of insignificance" paper: https://opo.iisj.net/index.php/osls/article/view/1185/1395Worth mentioning that the title of that paper is a quote from a brilliant book by Tony Ellis: https://www.routledge.com/Men-Masculinities-and-Violence-An-ethnographic-study/Ellis/p/book/9781138040274)Here's a link to Against Youth Violence (available for pre-order; out in October): https://bristoluniversitypress.co.uk/against-youth-violenceHere's a link to Hackney Quest's site, where Luke works part-time: https://www.hackneyquest.org.uk/Here's a link to the research project Luke is working on with the OU: https://changingviolence.org/Twitter: @lbilli91Twitter: @_lisacherrySupport the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 3, Episode 12 Ciaran Thapar and Jhemar Jonas on the book Cut Short, Youth Work as a vehicle for change and the impact of austerity on street violence
Send us Fan MailWhat happens when youth work, the decimation of preventative services and a community that feels left behind collide? In this collaborative book, Cut Short; Why we’re failing our youth – and how to fix it, Ciaran charts life during the most challenging years of the last decade. The emergence of the VRU in London is recorded as are the real lives of those living in their community as violence escalates against the backdrop or even in response to, the ideology of austerity and a changing political landscape.I absolutely loved this book and as far as I'm concerned, it is a must read inviting a very real and ongoing call to action.Twitter: @ciaranthaparPaperback out on 30th JuneSupport the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 3, Episode 11, Dr Amanda Taylor-Beswick on the digitalisation of social work education
Send us Fan MailDr Amanda Taylor-Beswick’s main research interest is in the area of digitalization and professional education, in particular, how social work education socializes and equips students for practice in an emergent and complex digital social world. Research projects include: an examination of the contribution of social work education to the preparedness of students for practice in the connected age; navigating digital contact for children in out of home care; the design and development of a wearable device to help to reduced drug deaths in high risk populations in Northern Ireland; a youth-co-research project designed to test out activism as a mental health intervention for young people; academic advisor to a project investigating ‘The Digital Capabilities of Social Workers in England’ in order to improve practices in this area. She is also currently working with the NISCC, HSCB and the 5 NI Health and Social Care Trust to progress digital understandings in and for social work education and practice.Buy the 3rd Ed of The Brightness of Stars HERE@AMLTaylor66@_lisacherrySupport the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 3, Episode 10 Steven Russell from 'Elementals' talking all things working with children and young people
Send us Fan MailSteven Russell, is the founder of Elements SEMH Support. As a child, he lived with 9 foster families, was placed into two children’s homes and attended 5 schools. With this in mind, he decided to turn his “Pain to Purpose” by creating Elements.As a child, growing up in the care system, and an adult working in the care system. Steven has become an effective communicator with children living in care.His authentic style enables him to build rapport with children and young people with ease.Combining the elements of his professional and personal experiences to create “Elements SEMH Support”. Steven has been able to inspire hundreds of children to become more optimistic about their lives despite their adverse experiencesSupport the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 3, Episode 9 Sheina Rigg on system change in Northern Ireland using a trauma informed framework
Send us Fan MailSheina Rigg a Scottish social worker, living in Belfast permanently since 1990 has been seconded to a Trauma Informed Practice Project in 2018 as one of a team of 4 implementation managers, project manager and project lead. Now a smaller project, more embedded in the SBNI structure, they support organisational change using a transformation model devised from a service user perspective, their journey through services and apply a trauma lens/trauma principles to that journey from 'entry' to 'exit'. Pilot projects have been supported in a range of settings. Covid and lockdown has had its impact, not least on the systems being supported to change however in some ways staff wellbeing has never been so talked about so some doors are more open than they were!Resources: https://www.safeguardingni.org/aces-and-trauma-informed-practiceSupport the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Episode 7 The Brightness of Stars - Meet Sean
Send us Fan MailSean, who features in the new section of The Brightness of Stars 3rd Edition, shares with us a little bit of history of 'care', why community is everything and why speaking about the care experience is hard yet so important! Buy the book at all online and offline stores including Amazon:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Brightness-Stars-Stories-Experienced-Inspire/dp/1032191589/ref=sr_1_6?qid=1641830200&refinements=p_27%3ALisa+Cherry&s=books&sr=1-6&text=Lisa+CherrySupport the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Season 3, Episode 9 Andi Brierley on Trauma, Criminal Justice and Taking Responsibility
Send us Fan MailSparked by a Twitter conversation, Lisa and Andi deep dive in a more nuanced way than Twitter allows, into thinking about childhood adversity and trauma in the context of criminal justice. How do we ensure that the public are safe, that people take responsibility for their actions and that there are interventions in place that support healing from childhood trauma and adversity? @andibrierley@_lisacherrySupport the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Episode 6 The Brightness of Stars - Meet Dianne
Send us Fan MailThe 3rd Ed of The Brightness of Stars is out in May 2022 and this short series of videos introduces you to some of the contributors.Meet Dianne, one of the original contributors talks about how writing about her experiences 'opened a door', heightened her awareness and the impact that the experience of being in care had on her. The 3rd Ed has brand new contributors bringing the book up to date, additional reflections from the original contributors and poetry. You can order your copy here:Amazon: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Brightness-S...Routledge: https://www.routledge.com/The-Brightn...Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Episode 5 The Brightness of Stars - Meet Isabelle
Send us Fan MailThe 3rd Ed of The Brightness of Stars is out in May 2022 and this short series of videos introduces you to some of the contributors.Meet Isabelle, one of the youngest contributors sharing why contributing a chapter was so important to her, the act of processing trauma through writing her chapter and the importance of sharing shared lived experiences. The book has brand new contributors bringing the book up to date, reflections from the original contributors and poetry. Isabelle is one of the new contributors. You can order your copy here....Amazon: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Brightness-Stars-Stories-Experienced-Inspire/dp/1032191589/ref=sr_1_6?qid=1641830200&refinements=p_27%3ALisa+Cherry&s=books&sr=1-6&text=Lisa+CherryRoutledge: https://www.routledge.com/The-Brightness-of-Stars-Stories-from-Care-Experienced-Adults-to-Inspire/Cherry/p/book/9781032191584Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Episode 4 The Brightness of Stars - Meet Pav
Send us Fan MailThe 3rd Ed of The Brightness of Stars is out in May 2022 and this short series of videos introduces you to some of the contributors.Meet Pav, one of the original contributors talk candidly about our time on Women's Hour, the healing power of being involved in the book, life as a Muslim in the children's home and how we should never stop reaching out to children and young people even when they won't let us! The 3rd Ed has brand new contributors bringing the book up to date, additional reflections from the original contributors and poetry. You can order your copy here:Amazon or RoutledgeSupport the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Episode 3 The Brightness of Stars - Meet Jamie
Send us Fan MailThe 3rd Ed of The Brightness of Stars is out on 22nd May 2022 and this short series of videos introduces you to some of the contributors.Meet Jamie, sharing the impact of finding people with similar experiences and how that has led him to focus on community, connection and collaboration. He also begins to explore the intersection of care with sexuality. The book has brand new contributors bringing the book up to date, reflections from the original contributors and poetry. Jamie is one of the new contributors. You can order your copy here....Amazon: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Brightness-Stars-Stories-Experienced-Inspire/dp/1032191589/ref=sr_1_6?qid=1641830200&refinements=p_27%3ALisa+Cherry&s=books&sr=1-6&text=Lisa+CherryRoutledge: https://www.routledge.com/The-Brightness-of-Stars-Stories-from-Care-Experienced-Adults-to-Inspire/Cherry/p/book/9781032191584Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Episode 2 The Brightness of Stars - Meet Tim
Send us Fan MailThe 3rd Ed of The Brightness of Stars is out on 22nd May 2022 and this short series of videos introduces you to some of the contributors.Meet Tim, one of the original contributors from the 1st Ed written back in 2013/2014 sharing the reflective process of looking back at where he was and where he is now. You can order your copy here:Amazon: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Brightness-Stars-Stories-Experienced-Inspire/dp/1032191589/ref=sr_1_6?qid=1641830200&refinements=p_27%3ALisa+Cherry&s=books&sr=1-6&text=Lisa+CherryRoutledge: https://www.routledge.com/The-Brightness-of-Stars-Stories-from-Care-Experienced-Adults-to-Inspire/Cherry/p/book/9781032191584Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Episode 1 The Brightness of Stars - Meet Shaunna
Send us Fan MailThe 3rd Ed of The Brightness of Stars is out on 22nd May 2022 and this short series of videos introduces you to some of the contributors.Meet Shaunna, one of the youngest contributors sharing why taking part was so important to her. The book has brand new contributors bringing the book up to date, reflections from the original contributors and poetry. Shaunna is one of the new contributors. You can order your copy here....Amazon: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Brightness-Stars-Stories-Experienced-Inspire/dp/1032191589/ref=sr_1_6?qid=1641830200&refinements=p_27%3ALisa+Cherry&s=books&sr=1-6&text=Lisa+CherryRoutledge: https://www.routledge.com/The-Brightness-of-Stars-Stories-from-Care-Experienced-Adults-to-Inspire/Cherry/p/book/9781032191584Support the showThank you for listening! Please share and subscribe the practice wisdom in this episode and create social change, one connection at a time. If you're feeling it, then leave a comment too!Learn more about Lisa here:www.lisacherry.co.ukBuy Books Here. Connect on Linkedin, Instagram and Substack by searching for Dr Lisa Cherry
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Hosted by Dr Lisa Cherry, this podcast is a multi-agency, inter disciplinary resource for those who work in education, social care, criminal justice or health and to listen to conversations that make a difference. Utilising the wisdom of lived experience, academic research and practice knowledge, we will support you in your work of developing trauma informed, relationally focused practice developing safe, supportive and healing environments. Our collective focus is threefold; preventing harm, not adding to harm, seeking to mitigate harm when it has already happened. Join us as we explore better ways of working together, sharing emerging research the best practices, all while deep diving into empathy, connection and authenticity.
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