Two Tired Therapists

This week, Jackie and Kyle are back after nearly six months away! They decided what better way to return than by diving headfirst into the recently unhinged Reddit stories the internet has to offer? From messy relationship drama to questionable life choices that would make even the Easter Bunny concerned, they read, react, and (of course) overanalyze it all. Grab your candy, settle in, and prepare for equal parts laughter, secondhand embarrassment, and therapeutic side-eye. Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Jackie and Kyle discuss all things technology. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

In this special ooky spooky episode of Two Tired Therapists, Jackie and Kyle ask the ultimate question: what would it look like to run a group therapy session with some of your favorite horror movie icons like Michael Myers, Jason Voorhees, Chucky, Edward Scissorhands, and Freddy Krueger? From unpacking Carrie’s bullying trauma to setting group rules for Freddy’s dream invasions, your favorite therapists explore the psychology behind these iconic characters and the dynamics they’d bring to the group therapy dynamic. Expect a mix of horror movie lore, social psychology, and plenty of laughs as Jackie and Kyle try to keep this “killer” group on track!Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Jackie and Kyle discuss all things music. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

This week, Jackie and Kyle are coming for pop psychology—because honestly, someone has to. From TikTok “therapy hacks” that make real clinicians cringe to self-care tips that are more fluff than fact, they’re breaking down what’s overrated, underresearched, and undeniably a flop. With Jackie’s sass and Kyle’s side-eye, they’ll unpack why these trends go viral, what damage they can do, and which ones actually might have a nugget of truth. Expect equal parts humor, shade, and real therapist insight as they expose pop psych for the messy queen she is.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Jackie and Kyle discuss all things sports. Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected] a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

This week, Jackie and Kyle dive into Netflix’s Unknown Number: The High School Catfish, the wild true story of a high school thrown into chaos by an anonymous online harasser. They unpack the psychology behind why catfishing works, the paranoia and drama it sparks among teens, and how digital deception can wreak havoc on a community. Of course, they sprinkle in their usual therapist insights, psychology, and humor to keep things lively. Plus, a fast-paced “Fetch or Flop” game to rate the behaviors in the doc—because sometimes chaos just needs a little judgment.Resources on Online Safety & Cyberbullying:StopBullying.gov – Tips and resources for parents, teens, and educators.Cyberbullying Research Center – Research-based strategies for prevention and response.National Center for Missing & Exploited Children CyberTipline – Report online exploitation or suspicious activity.Common Sense Media – Guides for families on safe tech and social media use.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Jackie and Kyle discuss all things snacks. Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected] a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

This week, Jackie and Kyle dive into the paranoia, drama, and psychological chaos of The Traitors U.S. edition. They break down the social psychology behind every cloak, betrayal, and dramatic roundtable moment—from trust and suspicion to groupthink, projection, and gaslighting. Then, things get juicy with a Traitors-themed “Gay or Straight” game—because some behaviors just demand analysis. Tune in for a mix of laughs, spoiler-filled discussion, and a deep dive into human behavior, manipulation, and the irresistible thrill of watching strategy meet anxiety—all through the lens of two very tired therapists.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Jackie and Kyle discuss all things bumper stickers. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

This week, Jackie and Kyle dig into the chilling HBO documentary I Love You, Now Die, which unpacks the complicated case of Michelle Carter and Conrad Roy. From the blurred lines of responsibility and influence to the psychology of coercion, loneliness, and digital communication, they break down the mental health and legal implications that made this case so infamous. As always, they balance the heavy with humor, therapist insight, and a little bit of chaos—because true crime hits different when you’re two very tired therapists trying to make sense of it all.If you or someone you know is struggling, help is available:    •    988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline (U.S.) — Dial or text 988 or visit 988lifeline.org    •    National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI) HelpLine — Call 1-800-950-NAMI or visit nami.org/help    •    For additional international resources, visit findahelpline.comBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Jackie and Kyle discuss all things dating in your 30s!Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected] a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Jackie and Kyle discuss all things public restrooms.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected] a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Grab your wand and unpack your emotional baggage—this week, Jackie and Kyle board the Hogwarts Express to psychoanalyze Harry Potter. From childhood trauma and chosen one syndrome to Dumbledore’s questionable ethics, your Two Tired Therapists explore the magical mess of growing up under constant threat of death (and detention).Then it’s time for Fetch or Flop: Harry Potter Edition.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]. And don’t forget to leave a review—we might just read it on a future episode!Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Jackie and Kyle discuss all things related to unsolicited advice.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected] a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Jackie and Kyle discuss all things coworkers! Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected] a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

In this episode of Two Tired Therapists, Jackie and Kyle unpack the hit series Shrinking and share their thoughts from both a clinical and comedic lens. They explore the show’s take on therapy, mental health, and personal growth—while questioning just how realistic some of it really is.With their signature mix of humor and insight, your favorite tired therapists break it all down in a way only they can. Whether you’ve watched the show or not, this episode is a fun and thoughtful look at the messy intersection of life and therapy on screen. Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]. And don’t forget to leave a review—we might just read it on a future episode!Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Jackie and Kyle discuss all things reality TV. Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected] a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Outie or Innie? The Psychology of Severance What if your work self and your real self never had to meet? In this episode, Jackie and Kyle clock into Lumon Industries to unpack the culty, capitalist fever dream that is Severance. From dissociation and grief to boundary issues, your favorite tired therapists explore the psychological layers of the hit Apple TV+ series—and what it says about how we cope, compartmentalize, and survive the 9-to-5. And of course, we close out with a round of Gay or Straight: Summer Edition. Orientation? Unknown. Vibes? SeveredJoin in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]. And don’t forget to leave a review—we might just read it on a future episode!Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Jackie and Kyle discuss all things pets! Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected] a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Jackie and Kyle discuss all things crazy in the workplace.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected] a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Jackie and Kyle discuss all things video games. Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected] a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Your Two Tired Therapists are back in the trenches of Reddit, sifting through the most unhinged, confusing, and downright rotted questions and conundrums the internet has to offer. From bizarre relationship drama to dilemmas no one asked for, Kyle and Jackie offer their (completely unsolicited) therapeutic takes—with a side of sarcasm, of course.As always, they kick things off with what’s making them tired this week, because the world never stops exhausting them. And to wrap things up, they bring back the fan-favorite game Gay or Straight, where they take their best (and worst) guesses.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]. And don’t forget to leave a review—we might just read it on a future episode!Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Your Two Tired Therapists are finally back recording in person, and what better way to reunite than by diving into the wild twists of The Curious Case of Natalia Grace: The Remix! This week, Kyle and Jackie break down Season 3 of the docuseries, unpacking all the shocking revelations, bizarre moments, and psychological layers that make this case so fascinating (and frustrating).Of course, no episode would be complete without a little venting—Kyle and Jackie share what they’re tired of this week, because some things just never change.Tune in for a mix of true crime, therapy talk, and plenty of laughs, and don’t forget to reconnect with your Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]. Leave a review, and they might just read it on a future episode!Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

After a four-month hiatus, your favorite Two Tired Therapists are finally back behind the mic! In this comeback episode, Kyle and Jackie catch up on where they’ve been, what in the hell they’ve been doing, and all the things that have been exhausting them while they were away. From life changes to random rants, nothing is off the table as they catch up with each other and discuss new changes (they’re good, we promise) you will see in 2025. Make sure to reconnect with your Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or drop them an email at [email protected]. And since we’ve been gone, go leave a review—we might just read it on a future episode!Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Welcome back to another hilarious episode of Two Tired Therapists! This week, Kyle and Jackie take on the eerie case of the Zodiac Killer, inspired by the Netflix documentary This Is The Zodiac Speaking. Your two favorite therapists debate about the similarities to some other famous cases and documentaries. But before they get into the dark details, Kyle is over people who can’t get their act together at the self-checkout—scan, bag, go! Meanwhile, Jackie is tired of the agonizing decision-making process every time she picks a nail color—why is it so hard to choose? But she’ll choose a dark color every time!In this episode, your favorite therapists analyze the documentary’s portrayal of the Zodiac Killer, exploring the psychology behind the infamous case, discussing theories, and breaking down what keeps people so captivated by true crime. After all that intensity, they lighten the mood with a Buzzfeed quiz to find out which Hogwarts house they’d be sorted into—based on their Disney song choices, of course!Connect with your Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or send them your thoughts at [email protected]. And don’t forget to leave a review—you might just hear it in a future episode!Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Welcome back to a spooky episode of Two Tired Therapists! This week, Kyle and Jackie dive into the eerie origins and fascinating history of Halloween, exploring how ancient traditions transformed into the candy-filled holiday we know today. But before they get into the haunted festivities, Kyle is tired of the never-ending reports about people supposedly putting drugs in Halloween candy—seriously, who’s wasting their stash on kids? Meanwhile, Jackie is over stores pushing Halloween candy out in August—let us enjoy summer first!In this episode, your favorite therapists unravel the history of Halloween, from its roots in Celtic festivals to modern-day trick-or-treating. They share their thoughts on how fear and fun intersect on this holiday and sprinkle in some spooky psychological insights. To wrap things up, they play Fear or Flop, where they reveal their deepest fears and decide if they're legit or just laughable.Connect with your Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or drop them a line at [email protected]. And don’t forget to leave a review—we’ll read it in a future episode (if it’s not too scary)!Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Welcome back to another hilarious episode of Two Tired Therapists! This week, Jackie and Kyle take on the Ask a Therapist subreddit, answering burning questions from people seeking advice on everything that their therapist does and how to find a good one (like your favorites!). But first, Kyle is completely over deworming and then posting a picture of their poop online—why is this even a thing?! After hearing that, Jackie talks about being exhausted by the oversharing epidemic on social media—some things are better left unsaid (looking at you dewormers)!In this episode, your favorite therapists read through some interesting and puzzling questions from the Ask a Therapist subreddit, offering their professional insights mixed with plenty of laughs. From wondering if your therapist is purposely trying to piss you off and if they have favorite clients, Kyle and Jackie dish out practical advice and a few reality checks. At the end, they attempt a Buzzfeed trivia quiz and quickly realize they would never survive on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire—but at least they’ll leave you laughing!Connect with your Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or send them your thoughts at [email protected]. And don’t forget to leave a review—you might just hear it on a future episode!Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Welcome back to another thrilling episode of Two Tired Therapists! This week, Kyle and Jackie sink their teeth into the gripping Netflix and Emmy-winning show Baby Reindeer, dissecting its dark themes and intense psychological layers. But before that, Kyle is fed up with people who don’t know proper drive-thru etiquette—how hard is it to pull up closer to the window? Meanwhile, Jackie is tired of the weather refusing to embrace fall—it’s too hot for pumpkin spice!In this episode, your two favorite therapists unpack the emotional rollercoaster that is Baby Reindeer, exploring the show's portrayal of obsession, boundaries, and how trauma impacts relationships. They discuss and break down the psychological manipulation depicted in the series and talk about why it was so tough to watch (try not to victim blame!). To top things off, Kyle and Jackie bring the laughs with a game of Gay or Straight: UK Edition.Connect with your Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or send them your thoughts at [email protected]. Don’t forget to leave a review—we’ll read it on a future episode, no matter how shady!Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Happy Tuesday and welcome back to another chaotic and hilarious episode of Two Tired Therapists! This week, Kyle and Jackie dive headfirst into the wildest Reddit stories they could find—from feuds to cringe-worthy scenarios, nothing is off-limits. Before getting into the Reddit rabbit hole, Kyle is over the lip filler obsession—why is everyone trying to make their lips look huge? Meanwhile, Jackie’s fed up with men calling women “aggressive” for simply having opinions.In this episode, your favorite exhausted therapists read and react to some of the most outrageous and mind-boggling posts on Reddit, offering their professional and not-so-professional takes on everything from petty drama to bizarre life choices. Stick around as they give unsolicited advice to people who probably need it, but definitely didn't ask for it.Don’t forget to connect with your Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or shoot them an email at [email protected]. And as always, leave a review—we’ll roast it (nicely) on a future episode!Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Welcome back to another eye-opening episode of Two Tired Therapists! This week, Kyle and Jackie pull back the curtain on the mysterious and manipulative world of cults, breaking down how they operate, why people join, and what psychological tactics cult leaders use to control their followers. But first, Kyle needs to get something off his chest—why do people insist on putting money down on the counter instead of handing it directly to the cashier? Meanwhile, Jackie’s over the ridiculous casting on reality dating shows—are they even trying to find real connections anymore?In this episode, your two favorite therapists explore the psychology behind cults, from the recruitment process to the mind control techniques that keep members trapped. They share real-world examples of famous cults and offer insights into how to recognize when something is veering into cult territory. To close things out, Jackie challenges Kyle to a quiz on the strangest cult rituals—will he know which ones are real?Stay connected with your Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or send them your thoughts at [email protected]. And don’t forget to leave a review—we might just read it on a future episode!Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Welcome back to another exceptionally professional episode of Two Tired Therapists! This week, Kyle and Jackie take a deep dive into the world of hoarding with a focus on the show Hoarders and the complexities of Hoarding Disorder. Before your favorite therapists get into it, Kyle, ever the purveyor of unique insights, is tired of people using their families, and specifically kids as an excuse (childless people unite!). Meanwhile, Jackie is tired of everything becoming a meme.In this episode, your Two Tired Therapists tackle the reality TV phenomenon of Hoarders, dissecting what it reveals about hoarding behavior and the underlying psychological issues at play. They explore the symptoms and treatment options for Hoarding Disorder, drawing on both personal observations and professional insights. At the end, Jackie quizzes Kyle on what color his personality is. Don’t forget to connect with your two tired therapists through e-mail ([email protected]), Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), and Facebook (Two Tired Therapists). Leave us a review and we might read it in future episodes (good and bad reviews welcome).Resources:Ruthann’s Episode of Hoarders: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l3Qt3XUSCw https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK519704/table/ch3.t29/ https://www.apa.org/monitor/2020/04/ce-corner-hoarding https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/hoarding-disorder/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20356062https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/hoarding-disorder/what-is-hoarding-disorder#section_3 Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Welcome back to another lovely episode of TTT! This week, Jackie and Kyle discuss the horrors of The Program: Cons, Cults and Kidnapping, a documentary on Netflix directed by Katherine Kubler about the trauma of being sent to a behavior modification school which really didn’t do shit to help them. But before they dive in, Kyle chats about how he’s tired of sex reveals, specifically the ones where people are disappointed (some to an alarming degree) and Jackie is tired of Producer Justin calling her a content creator when she ain’t making any money (someone please make us go viral!!). The two discuss The Program, their thoughts and how damaging these types of facilities are. Finally, Jackie quizzes Kyle on Harry Potter trivia. Don’t forget to connect with your two tired therapists through e-mail ([email protected]), Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), and Facebook (Two Tired Therapists).Leave us a review and we might read it in future episodes (good and bad reviews welcome).Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Hello, Two Tired fans, friends, family, and folks at home! Your absolute favorite therapists are back from break, even though it was much longer than anticipated (Thanks Producer Justin for not editing episodes quickly enough). Jackie and Kyle are rested, hydrated, vibing, and thriving and here to feed the children with Psychology Hacks.But before you find out whether you’re a raging misogynist or incel, Kyle chats about how he’s tired of the Hawk Tuah viral moment and Jackie is tired of people randomly shooting off fireworks for no reason (some of us have anxious dogs who need drugs). Kyle dishes the utterly wonderful wisdom that he found on internet and both Jackie and Kyle try not die while talking about how some of these really have nothing to do with Psychology or mental health or really anything that any person should do or say to another. Finally, they play the brand new game of Gay, Straight, or Hillbilly. Don’t forget to connect with your two tired therapists through e-mail ([email protected]), Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), and Facebook (Two Tired Therapists). Leave us a review and we might read it in future episodes (good and bad reviews welcome).Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Hi Gay, Happy Pride Month!! Welcome back to another episode of Two Tired Therapists, where you will hear things that you cannot un-hear or picture as we discuss some truly rotted Reddit tales. But before you grab the bleach (for your eyes and ears), Jackie is tired of the YouTube algorithm that has somehow blessed her with Gordon Ramsey and Hell’s Kitchen, while Kyle is tired of the straights and their PDA (just in time for Pride Month!). Back by popular demand, Jackie culls some rotted, cursed tales from the depths of Reddit’s underbelly to bring you some of the most truly heinous stories to date. Jackie and Kyle discuss what they would do, or wouldn’t do, and if they would lose their shit if these scenarios happened to them. They end this episode with a totally apropos and not at all planned game of Gay or Straight. Don’t forget to connect with your two tired therapists through e-mail ([email protected]), Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), and Facebook (Two Tired Therapists). Leave us a review and we might read it in future episodes (good and bad reviews welcome).Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Get ready for the ascension, because we're diving into some uncharted territory with the wildest documentary that your favorite Two Tired Therapists have seen to date. But before the colloidal silver hits, Jackie is pulling her hair out over autocorrect making a mess of her texts, while Kyle’s fed up with the body positivity movement, especially when tiny, skinny people are at the center of it.This week, we're unraveling the eerie story of "Love Has Won: The Cult of Mother God." Jackie gives a detailed account of this bizarre cult and its enigmatic leader, while Kyle breaks down the psychological aspects that made people fall for it. Later on, they play Fetch or Flop: Iconic Daytime Talk Show Edition. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Get ready to join us for the grand finale of The Twilight Saga as we sink our teeth into the thrilling conclusion of Breaking Dawn Part 2. But before we leap into the world of vampires and werewolves, Jackie and Kyle have some pent-up frustrations to air. Jackie's fed up with alternative schools causing more harm than good, while Kyle's had it with the flat earth nonsense. Sorry flat earthers, but the truth is round!As we dissect the epic showdowns and shocking revelations of Breaking Dawn Part 2, expect Jackie and Kyle to dig deep into the drama. From the intense Volturi standoff to the heart-stopping action sequences, nothing is off-limits. And brace yourselves, as they just might butt heads over Jacob's contentious imprinting and Bella's transformation into a vampire.Stay tuned for our special segment, "Twilight Flip or Flop," where Jackie and Kyle give their unfiltered opinions on key moments from the movie. Will they flip for the epic battle scene or flop over Renesmee's CGI? Tune in to find out!Don't miss your chance to connect with your two outspoken hosts through email ([email protected]), Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), and Facebook (Two Tired Therapists). And remember, your feedback shapes future episodes – whether you're Team Edward, Team Jacob, or somewhere in between, Jackie and Kyle want to hear from you!Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Hello TTT super fans! Grab your glitter and garlic because today we're diving deep into the melodramatic monsoon that is The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn Part 1. Before we sink our teeth into the sparkling skin of the Cullen clan, Kyle and Jackie share how they are not only tired of the new Taylor Swift album, but the diehard fans as well… sorry to the Swifties out there! As we unravel the enigma of that mother effing animatronic baby, don’t be shocked if Jackie and Kyle continue to debate why this was chosen and who was responsible for that choice (you’ve been warned!). Stick around as they wrap up with a Buzzfeed quiz about how much they know about Breaking Dawn (they did their best). Tune in, it's going to be an iconic episode you won't want to miss!Don’t forget to connect with your two tired therapists through e-mail ([email protected]), Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), and Facebook (Two Tired Therapists). Leave us a review and we might read it in future episodes (good and bad reviews welcome).Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

The struggle bus has stopped and we want you to get on. Jackie and Kyle dive headfirst into the messy, awkward, and often ridiculous world of anxiety. It's like a self-help book but with more jokes and fewer pages. But first, Kyle is wrestling with the wild beast that is the Instagram algorithm. He's pretty sure it's out to get him, showing him videos of their daily water with 9 million flavoring packets. Jackie is on a mission to finally put an end to the Bermuda Triangle of personal items lost between her car seat and console. Together, they're tired of the nonsense but are here to make sense of it all for you.From breathing exercises that sound like a whale call to debating the effectiveness of screaming into the void (or just a pillow, for apartment living), this is your go-to guide for navigating the highs and lows of anxiety, with detours through the ridiculous. Whether you're looking for advice, treatments, or just want to feel like you're not alone in the weirdness of it all, Jackie and Kyle have got your back. Tune in to laugh, learn, and maybe even find out how to stop your phone from listening to your conversations. Or at least, how to give it something interesting to listen to.Don’t forget to connect with your two tired therapists through e-mail ([email protected]), Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), and Facebook (Two Tired Therapists). Leave us a review and we might read it in future episodes (good and bad reviews welcome).Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Well, well, well, you’re back with us, you flop! JK, we’re here on this glorious Tuesday to talk about the wonderful world of Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity (NGRI) and in true Jackie fashion, she tells too many stories of her time in the state hospital and prison system. Before they get into the drama mama, Kyle is tired of pornstaches (you don’t look good no matter what affirmations you tell yourself in the mirror) and Jackie is tired of small talk, mostly because she’s not good at it (is this surprising to anyone?). Jackie pops the corn and feeds the children and also brings them to school about everything NGRI. Don’t believe what you read, it’s A LOT harder to plead it than you think. Enjoy both Jackie and Kyle feeling triggered throughout the episode about everything they learned, or maybe didn’t learn in school. Before they wrap things up, they play another wonderful Spring/Easter Edition of Gay or Straight.Don’t forget to connect with your two tired therapists through e-mail ([email protected]), Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), and Facebook (Two Tired Therapists). Leave us a review and we might read it in future episodes (good and bad reviews welcome).Resources:https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/insanity_defensehttps://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/525/1342/1692613/  https://mhanational.org/issues/support-insanity-defense https://www.mentalillnessandthecriminallaw.com/post/statistics-on-mental-illness-the-insanity-defensehttps://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/law-disorder/202002/not-guilty-reason-insanityhttps://healthandjusticejournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40352-023-00230-zBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Hey you Team Edward and Team Jacob girlies! Ready for us to drag your favorite movie series again? Jackie and Kyle are tired of many things this week, namely low quality alcoholic water and ads on YouTube, respectively. Honorable mentions on the shit list include Burger King getting drinks wrong, the weather, acid reflux, Cheaters (the show), and providing children with alcohol (well…maybe we’re OK with that one). In providing their very critical and completely professional review of Twilight: Eclipse, Jackie and Kyle dive into important topics such as red flags in vampires AND werewolves, Bella being a flop (still), vampires and haircuts, Bryce Dallas Howard, vampires and racism, sex dynamics between vampires, and wigs (still). Jackie and Kyle also find out which extremely odd moment they are through the magic of Buzzfeed quizzes. Don’t forget to connect with your two tired therapists through e-mail ([email protected]), Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), and Facebook (Two Tired Therapists). Leave us a review and we might read it in future episodes (good and bad reviews welcome). “Apparently he’s from the era of the Duggers. I know he’s from 19-whatever but Jesus Christ you’re in the 21st century you old bitch.” -JackieBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

If you’ve been feeling the crushing weight of reality and unrelenting expectations of society then boy do we have a great episode for you to avoid all that! This week, Jackie turns her tiredness to fuel not only her car, but also her road rage toward people who drive under the speed limit. Kyle, in his eternal war against men, turns his tiredness toward the boys posting videos doing backflips with their teeny lil’ peens flopping all around.In this episode, our two tired therapists return to the very messy and complex life of Natalia Grace. In their very professional and extremely ethical way, they discuss the goings on in the new season of the hit docuseries, The Curious Case of Natalia Grace: Natalia Speaks (Available on Max, but not HBO Max - very different, keep up!). Definite spoilies for this season AND the first season, so be sure to watch or listen to the two-part recounting of season one by your two tired therapists.Season 2 highlights: pepper spray, lots of lying, Histrionic Personality Disorder (still), what not to do when investing in children for financial gain, Rosamund Pike, bamboozling healthcare workers, real tea on the laws around people with disabilities, and at the end of the day just more questions. You’ll laugh, you’ll scream, you’ll wonder if you’re experiencing a psychotic break, and then you’ll count your blessings when you realize maybe you don’t have it so bad (or maybe you do, who’s to say?).Don’t forget to connect with your two tired therapists through e-mail ([email protected]), Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), and Facebook (Two Tired Therapists). Leave us a review and we might read it in future episodes (good and bad reviews welcome).Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Well, it’s everyone’s favorite holiday, Valentine’s Day! Grab the strongest drink you can stomach and meditate before turning on this extremely chaotic episode of Two Tired Therapists. For the holiest of commercial holidays, Jackie and Kyle have two very special guests (spoiler: their significant others) and they play a modified version of the Newlywed Game, with the goal being to see which couple will break up faster. Before they get into the game, Jackie, Kyle, Producer Justin, and Edward collectively discuss what they are tired of. There are a lot of opinions, so listen to the episode for some very hot takes about Valentine’s Day and some non-V-Day related. Prepare to become uncomfortable as you listen to each couple passive-aggressively argue about different facts about themselves, their relationships, and each other. If this episode does not make you want to be single, we don’t know what will! After the lawyers have decided who gets what in their respective divorces, they play Gay or Straight: Valentine’s Day Edition. Don’t forget to connect with your two tired therapists through e-mail ([email protected]), Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), and Facebook (Two Tired Therapists). If you really love us, you’ll subscribe to us on wherever you get your podcasts.Leave us a review and we will shout you out, even if you tell us we are terrible (because we’re not delulu and we know!). “This is going to go downhill REAL fast.” - KyleBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Welcome back to another very professional episode of Two Tired Therapists where Kyle continues to refer to bean flicking (better defined in this episode). Jackie struggles through the tiredness of misogynistic feedback while Kyle fights the true fight of eating deli sandwiches that are encumbered with too much roughage. Our Two Tired Therapists dive into the second book/movie of the Twilight Saga: New Moon, and they have some questions (Stephanie, call us). Big spoilies ahead. Thankfully, the wig budget has improved. Unfortunately, Bella is a big flop, hallucination, and presenting with symptoms of Borderline Personality Disorder (see our personality episode trilogy). Werewolves hit the stage while Jackie and Kyle try to determine if a 104-year-old vampire dating a 17-year-old girl is acceptable. We learn Jackie wouldn’t want to be a vampire but Kyle would (is that really a surprise?). They end by taking an extremely valid and reliable Buzzfeed Quiz about which iconic moment they are in New Moon.Don’t forget to connect with your two tired therapists through e-mail ([email protected]) and Instagram (@twotiredtherapists). Leave us a review and we might read it in future episodes (good and bad reviews welcome).“Where’s your cellphone bitch? It’s 2009.” -JackieBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Welcome to 2024! Jackie and Kyle decided that it seemed like the time to do a very serious, intelligent, analytical, existential, in-depth review of the Twilight Saga. If you can read our minds like Edward, you know that’s completely false. Before your two favorite therapists share their reactions to watching Twilight as adults (this is your trigger warning), Kyle is tired of people who say they are 1/32nd Native American, or some iteration of that (coincidentally on brand for this episode) and Jackie is tired of DNA testing kits and explains her unhinged and extremely paranoid thoughts of why she will absolutely never partake in this popular trend. Jackie and Kyle spend a very long time (sorry Producer Justin) discussing their reactions to Twilight (and trying to remember the plot of the books for unknown reasons), reminiscing about the later aughts and the fashion, all of the things they hated about it, and somewhere in there is a plot summary. They also have a semi-heated debate about casting choices of Edward and Bella, which you need to wait until the end to see if they will continue making this podcast since their opinions vastly differ. After all of the bickering between them, they play a Buzzfeed game of Date or Dump: Twilight edition. Don’t forget to connect with your two tired therapists through e-mail ([email protected]), Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), and Facebook (Two Tired Therapists). Leave us a review and we might read it in future episodes (good and bad reviews welcome).“Not gonna lie, would have laughed if she showed me his glittery tits.” - JackieBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Welcome to the Two Tired Therapists Christmas Cheer Episode! LOL, JK, but really can you believe it's Christmas? If you wanted to get schooled in all things The Twelve Days of Christmas song, please get ready to have your mind blown! Before that, Jackie is tired of using nutcrackers as decorations and Kyle is tired of people thinking Baby It's Cold Outside as a (trigger warning) rape anthem. Once Jackie and Kyle get through all of the different pieces of the song (spoiler: it's mostly birds), they discuss whether the things of that song are Gay or Straight. Kyle also surprises Jackie with a completely fitting Twelve Days of Therapy to wrap up our year. Don’t forget to connect with your two tired therapists through e-mail ([email protected]), Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), and Facebook (Two Tired Therapists). Leave us a review and we might read it in future episodes (good and bad reviews welcome).We here at TTT wish you all a Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy Whatever You Celebrate (or don't - no judgment here), and a Happy New Year! We better see you in 2024!Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

It’s almost the end of the year, thank GAWD! But before we close 2023, Two Tired Therapists had to bring back everyone’s favorite topic: Reddit Disaster Stories! Before getting into the drama, Jackie is tired of people who use their babies for content (no one wants to see a video of you waking up every 2 hours #lame) and Kyle discusses being tired of those who own Stanleys cups (insert Jackie being called out), but then saves their friendship by explaining he means those who make having a Stanley their whole personality. If you’re still reading this, Jackie and Kyle read some real (or maybe fake) entertaining stories that people post on the internet. One even involves a bomb threat and a naked man! After deciding that people are awful, your two favorite therapists play another enthralling edition of Gay or Straight, which involves Jesus and couples who kiss in pictures. Don’t forget to connect with your two tired therapists through e-mail ([email protected]), Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), and Facebook (Two Tired Therapists). Leave us a review and we might read it in future episodes (good and bad reviews welcome). “She could have 100% vom-ed on your dick.”-Jackie “Okay gross.” - KyleBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Hey, all you SAD girlies waiting for T-Swift’s breakup album from that football guy. It’s our last episode for November, and boy is winter coming. Jackie is having a hard time with ads being obnoxiously loud on streaming services (but you can’t hear normal volume conversation, wtf?) while Kyle is on his way to getting canceled (again) over his opinion on the word neurodivergent. Kyle takes us on a bleak tour of various depressive disorders, with notable mentions of some of your festive favorites like Seasonal Affective Disorder (you will probably be quite disappointed to find out you don’t have this so stop saying it). They’ll talk about symptoms, treatment, and even MENSES!!! (Isn’t it weird the word for your period has the word MEN in it?) They’ll also introduce a new game: Is it gay or straight? You’ll laugh but mostly cry because…depression. Don’t forget to connect with your two tired therapists through e-mail ([email protected]), Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), and Facebook (Two Tired Therapists). Leave us a review and we might read it in future episodes (good and bad reviews welcome). “Don’t track you cycles in your apps because the man will get it and when they Handmaids Tale us, they’ll know” -Jackie For all your PMDD needs: - 5+ symptoms present in the final week before cycle with improvements noticed within a few days of cycle, becoming minimal or absent at the end of cycle Must have at least one of the following: >Mood lability (“swings”)Irritability or anger with interpersonal conflictsDepressed mood or feelings of hopelessness; Self-deprecating thoughtsAnxiety, tension, or feeling on edge At least one of the following but a total of five (including from the previous list):Decreased interest in usual activitiesConcentration issuesLethargy, fatigue, or low energyChange in appetite >Change in sleepSense of being overwhelmed or out of controlPhysical symptoms such as breast tenderness or swelling, joint/muscle pain, bloating, or weight gain Must be present in most of your cycles over a one-year period of time.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Happy NO-vember, as Jackie and Kyle say! Here is your pre-Thanksgiving edition of TTT about boundaries (not just for S&M) and have no fear, boundaries are a good thing, kids, and Jackie and Kyle are here to tell you all about it. Before they get into it, Jackie is tired of cranberry sauce and Kyle is tired of people who make holidays all about themselves and when a specific holiday is THEIR SPECIAL DAY! Jackie straight up lifts from a Psychology Today article about the 5 steps to create and maintain healthy boundaries (we did use proper citations!). They share a few laughs and some wisdom about their experiences with boundaries, and not surprisingly, Jackie has some prison stories. At the end, Jackie surprises Kyle with terrible nightmare scenarios in an awful game of This or That which they are forced to choose which horrible situation they would rather endure. Please let us know which scenarios you’d choose on our Instagram stories!Don’t forget to connect with your two tired therapists through e-mail ([email protected]), Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), and Facebook (Two Tired Therapists). Leave us a review and we might read it in future episodes (good and bad reviews welcome).“Don’t talk about my ingrown pubic hair that I told you about in confidence.” - KyleSources: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-addiction-connection/202210/5-steps-creating-and-maintaining-healthy-boundaries https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/conquering-codependency/202208/6-ways-set-boundaries-without-guilt https://positivepsychology.com/great-self-care-setting-healthy-boundaries/ https://psychcentral.com/relationships/what-are-personal-boundaries-how-do-i-get-some https://www.therapistaid.com/therapy-worksheet/setting-boundariesBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]

Happy Halloweenie!!!! We here at Two Tired Therapists hope your spooky szn is as terrifying as ever. Your ghouls are back, mainly to drag people (re: freaks) who buy and consume candy corn (please write in so we can drag you by name), but mostly to discuss the infamous Sanderson Sisters: Winnifred, Mary and Sarah. The gangs all here, even Thackery (not Zachary) Binx! Spoilies for Hocus Pocus 1 & 2 (both available on Disney+ - please sponsor us Disney). Other topics explored: Mani phases (re: Bipolar Disorder), personality disorders (naturally), the IQ of the general population in the 1650’s, which Sanderson sister Jackie and Kyle identify with, and if they would suck the life out of a child (the answer may not surprise you). You’ll get a horrific round of This or That?: Halloween Edition! Stay spooky, tired, and petty!Don’t forget to connect with your two tired therapists through e-mail ([email protected]), Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), and Facebook (Two Tired Therapists). Leave us a review and we might read it in future episodes (good and bad reviews welcome).“Welcome to Amurica, here’s your lobe-blaster [bitch].”-JackieBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/two-tired-therapists--5762941/support.Join in on the chaos and connect with Two Tired Therapists on Instagram (@twotiredtherapists), Facebook (Two Tired Therapists), or email them at [email protected]