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Choralosophy — 355 episodes
Episode 297: Give Them Tools and Let Them Build Part 6 (Tracking Data For Growth)
Episode 296: How to Make a Musician with Allison Wilkinson
Episode 295: Give Them Tools and Let Them Build Part 5 (Vocal Freedom and Function)
Episode 294: Reopening the All State Debate. Sight read, or nah? with David Ritschard
Car Thoughts: Programming Considerations with Chantae Pittman and Clelyn Chapin
Episode 293: Middle School is JUST The Right Age for Rigor with Ryan Lindley
Episode 292: How to Be A Choir Coach with Gary Seighman
Episode 291: Wrestling With AI in the Arts with Beth Philemon
Episode 290: Ethical Choral Gatekeeping with Samuel Grace
Episode 289: Voice Change Isn’t Just for Adolescents with Joanne Bozeman
Episode 288: When we are Forced to Choose…
Episode 287: Give Them Tools and Let Them Build Part 4 (Rhythm)
Episode 286: Give Them Tools and Let Them Build Part 3 (Pitch)
Episode 285: Teach Choir Like Band. And Band Like Choir with Matthew Arau
Episode 284: Is the Ensemble Model Outdated? With Kevin Droe
Episode 283: Beyond the Buzzwords Live at SWACDA
Episode 282: Music Literacy is MORE Than Pushing Buttons
Episode 281: Give Them Tools and Let Them Build Part 2
Episode 280: Give Them Tools and Let Them Build Part 1
Episode 279: Music Ed Podcasts From the Research Perspective with Theresa Hoover
Episode 278: 7 Years of Choralosophy from BEHIND the Mic
Episode 277: Structured Classrooms are Safer with Kevin Lackie
Episode 276: Your Program Depends on the “Beginners” with Bruce Rockwell
Episode 275: The Duality of HBCU Musicians with Dr. Craig Robertson
Episode 274: Work Less Hard than Your Students
Episode 273: Applying the Whole Language of Music
Episode 272: In Service of a Singing Culture with Tori Longdon
How to have “The Perfect Choir”and 2025 Top 10!
Episode 271: Responding to the Challenge in Education with Clelyn Chapin
Episode 270: Balancing Tradition with Innovation with Jocelyn Hagen and Timothy C. Takach
Episode 269: “Classical” Music: An Endangered Species
Episode 268: More Music for More Students with Shane Colquhoun
Episode 267: The Choir Teacher that Sucks with Mitch Al-Ubaidi
Episode 266: Leading with Intention with Dr. Justin Baeder
Episode 265: What’s Next for the Most Dangerous Choir Podcast?
Episode 264: Education’s Race to the Bottom of the Brain Stem
Episode 263: Parents As Key Players in Music Education with Marianne Forman
Episode 262: How to Avoid Making Our Singers Worse
Episode 261: The Art of Programming with Jo-Michael Scheibe
Episode 260: The World is Your Chorister with Jonas Rasmussen
Episode 259: But You Don’t LOOK Like a Conductor with Dr. Nicole Mattfeld
The First Days of Choir Part 6: Installing a Personhood Curriculum
Episode 258: Crafting Identity Through Music with Shruthi Rajasekar
The First Days of Choir Part 5: Voicing, Reflecting and Redirecting
Episode 257: Music is My Language with Ananya Venkateswaran
Episode 256: Teaching Expression from Day One with Craig Hurley and Rebecca Atkins
The First Days of Choir Part 4: Repertoire with Intent
The First Days of Choir Part 3: The Feedback Cyle
Episode 255: Uncovering the Overlooked with Hilary Apfelstadt and Alan Davis
The First Days of Choir Part 2: The Power of Infrastructure
The First Days of Choir Part 1: Introduction and Day 1
Episode 254: Finding Passion in EVERY Note with Elena Sharkova
Episode 253: Car Thoughts with Chris Maunu
Episode 252: Literacy is Agency with Kareem Weaver
Episode 251: Audience Mailbag
Episode 250: Accessible IS Beautiful with Edryn J. Coleman
Episode 249: The 10,000 Foot View of Choral Repertoire with Dennis Shrock
Car Thoughts: Evidence of Engagement is Not Evidence of Learning
Episode 248: What is a Vowel Made Of?
Episode 247: Solving Music Education’s Literacy Crisis with Carol Krueger
Episode 246: Don’t Sleep on Filipino Choral Music with Reagan Paras
Episode 245: Want to Make it on Stage? Take Choir! With Zoie Lee
Episode 244: An Ambassador for African Choirs with Ken Wakia
Episode 243: Seeing With Sound with Re Robinson
Episode 242: Vocal Ped! Don’t Blame Classical Music with Justin Petersen
Episode 241: Instrumental and Vocal Music United! With John Hinkle and Chops Podcast
Episode 240: First, Do No Harm with Megan Farison
Episode 239: Shaping the Future Through Leadership with Jessica Nápoles
Episode 238: The Art of the Consort with Apollo5
Episode 237: The Must Haves in Your Conducting Tool Box with Richard Sparks
Episode 236: Unlocking Student Musicianship with Dictation with Cindy Ellis
Episode 235: The Technique of Expressive Singing with Donald Brinegar
Episode 234: Advocating for the Symphony Chorus with Anthony Blake Clark
Episode 233: A Natural Laboratory for Reconciliation with Ryan Luhrs
Episode 232: Choral Music in Chile with Javiera Lara Salvador
Episode 231: It’s Process AND Product with Andrew Schmidt
Episode 230: Enneagram in Ensembles, Classrooms, Music and Life with Sarah McMahill
Episode 229: 2024 Year in Review. HIGHLIGHTS!
Episode 228: Skip the Education Fads and Stick With What Works with Marcie Samayoa
Episode 227: The Age of Fine Arts Icons is Over with Samuel Andreyev
Episode 226: Breaking Down Vocal Ped with David Jones
Episode 225: Growing Young Musicians in Elementary Music with Chy Billings
Episode 224: What the Heck Even is this Show?
Addressing Concerns From Equity Sings about Choralosophy
Episode 223: Music As Healthcare with Dr. Olapeju Simoyan
Episode 222: Why Your Favorite Music Ed Theory May Be Wrong
Episode 221: Authentically South African with Michael Barrett
Episode 220: This is Your Brain on Music with Anita Collins
Episode 219: Individual Literacy Assessment
Episode 218: The Heart of the Matter with Kyle Pederson
Episode 217: Building Collaborative Learning Environments
Episode 216: What is a Choir “Warm-up” Anyway with the LSHS Choirs
Episode 215: Thinking in the Language of Music with Libby Larsen
Episode 214: Church to School- Gospel in Academia with Dr. Emorja Roberson
Episode 213: A Back to School Focus From the Convention Floor
Episode 212: Wrestling With Tradition with Craig Hella Johnson
Episode 211: Smashing Cultural Barriers in Classical Music with Babatunde Akinboboye-Audio Only
Episode 211: Smashing Cultural Barriers in Classical Music with Babatunde Akinboboye
Episode 210: Jazz and Theory in the Choral Classroom with David von Kampen
Episode 209: Research vs. Reality with Ellie Johnson
Episode 208: Choir is Not my Family, Do I Still Belong? With Dr. Jason Dungee
Episode 207: Next Gen Music Education with Mak Barton
Episode 206: Building Enduring Classroom Culture with Dr. Kari Adams
Episode 205: Teaching Our Choirs to Listen with James Jordan
Episode 204: Literacy Live Hive Mind (Highlights with the Community)
Episode 203: Programming as Storytelling with Donald Nally
Episode 202: Excluded in the Name of Inclusion with Michal Dawson Connor
Episode 201: Music is Movement with Mark Changizi
Episode 200: Expanding the Boundaries of Choral Music with Katerina Gimon
Episode 199: Singing Alone, “The Boogey Man in the Closet”
Episode 198: Beating the Odds Through Choral Music with Steven Hankle
Episode 197: Ripping off the Band-Aid Volume 2
Episode 196: Educating the Anxious Generation
Episode 195: Elementary Choirs-Our Manhattan Project with Bruce Rockwell
Episode 194: A Round Peg Voice in a Square Hole Choir with Timothy Mount
Episode 193: The Aeolian Way with Jeremy Sovoy Jordan
Ep 192: Music Literacy for All: Debunking Myths and Embracing Diversity by Odell Zeigler
Episode 191: Rise Up and Sing with Shanan Estreicher
Episode 190: Girls Voices Change Too! With Dr. Bridget Sweet
Episode 189: Can We Meet Kids Where They Are Without Lowering Standards? With Jonathan Talberg
Episode 188: Why Don’t Boys Want to Sing? With Martin Ashley
Episode 187: Five Years of Changing and Expanding the Conversation and
Episode 186: It’s Time for Anti-Racism with Love, with Chloé Valdary
Episode 185: Bringing the Wisdom of Hebrew Texts into the Choral Canon with Nicholas Weininger
Episode 184: Should We Stop Assessing Sight Reading at All State Choir? With Drs. Marshaun Hymon and Chantae Pittman
Episode 183: At a Crossroads in Higher Ed with Lynn Atkins
Episode 182: Getting off on the Right Foot with a Young Teacher Panel
Episode 181: Finding Equilibrium in the Teacher Life with Jimmy Robertson
Episode 180: The Performance Practice of African Choral Music with Chukwuebuka Ezeakacha
Episode 179: YOUR Favorite 2023 Episodes!
Episode 178: What the Heck is Going on With Choir People?
Episode 177: Teaching Skills not Songs with Anthony Trecek-King
Episode 176: Cementing the Spiritual as American Art with Dr. André Thomas
Episode 175: Gratitude Makes Us Better. Thanksgiving Episode
Episode 174: Adapting the Science of Reading To Music
Episode 173: Culturally Relevant Excellence with Dr. Jeffrey Allen Murdock
Episode 172: Dispelling Myths About Middle School with Ian Henning and Jacob Garcia
Episode 171: The Culture of Choral Musicianship with David Hill
Episode 170: Controversial Truths About Music Ed with Angela Ammerman
Episode 169: Have You Ever Met a Biracial Choir Unicorn? with Kelsey Burkett
Episode 168: I Need This Choir with Nathan Connell and the Glacier High School Concert Choir
Episode 167: Compose Like a Girl with Jocelyn Hagen
Episode 166: A Day in the Life of a Choralosopher’s Rehearsal
Episode 165: What IS Choral Music?
Episode 164: Is “Music Education for All” Realistic? with Stephen Cox
Episode 163: Catching the Wind in Our Sails with Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman
Episode 163: Catching the Wind in Our Sails with Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman
Episode 162: The Problem with “Talent” with Joshua Mazur
Episode 161: Where Has All the Polyphony Gone? with David Simmons Wood
Episode 160: Practical Vocal Acoustics with Kenneth Bozeman
Episode 159: The Entrepreneurial Future of Choral Music with Ryan Main
Episode 158: Is All Art is Political? With Melissa Dunphy
Episode 157: Civic Renewal Through Ensemble with Chris and Beth Munce
Episode 156: Choralosophers Livestream on Burnout, Literacy Instruction and the Moral Injury of Educators
Episode 155: What I Wish I Knew As A Young Conductor with John C. Hughes
Episode 154: Turning Title 1 Challenges into Success with Mark Bailey
Episode 153: Going Deeper on Gender Equity in Music Ed with Dr. Melissa Baughman
Episode 152: Prioritizing Context and Connection with Zanaida Robles
Episode 151: Omni-Musicians with Greg Thomas
Episode 150: Choir After the Pandemic with Emmy Burch and Chris Munce DURING the Pandemic
Episode 149: “Tár” Movie Review
Episode 148: The Arts and the Exceptional Child with Dr. Matthew Zakreski
Episode 147: Leveraging Artificial Intelligence in Music Education with ChatGPT
Episode 146: The Vibrato Question with Dr. Jennaya Robison
Episode 145: Teaching Skills, Not Facts with Melanie Trecek-King
Episode 144: A Thousand Tiny Cuts with Jasmine Fripp
Revisiting the Anti-Fragile Choir: Resilient, Robust, Powerful with Eric Barnum
Episode 143: Toward a Diversity of Diversities with Survey Results!
Episode 142: How the Sausage is Made in Sheet Music with Dan Forrest
Episode 141: Education’s Relationship with Masculinity with Dr. Brendan Kwiatkowski
Episode 140: Balancing Individual Vocal Pedagogy in a Group Setting LIVE at CMEA
Episode 139: Digging into National ACDA
Episode 138: Evolving the Musical Mind with Dr. Alan Harvey
Episode 137: Literacy is Equity Live from CMEA
Episode 136: Remaking History with Dr. Marques L.A. Garrett
Episode 135: The A Cappella Rehearsal Live at CMEA
Episode 134: The A Cappella Connection with Deke Sharon
Car Thoughts: Student Led Sectionals
Episode 133: Should We Pay Student Teachers? With Dr. Tina Beveridge
Episode 132: Learned Helplessness with Christine Sefein
Year in Review! Top Episodes of 2022
Episode 131: Going Beyond Good Intentions with Robyn Hilger
Episode 130: The Value of an Outsider with Robyn Hilger
Episode 129: Channeling Emotional Contagion with Dr. Gary Seighman
Episode 128: The Strange Relationship between Choral Music Ed and Vocal Ped with Dr. Sharon Hansen
Episode 127: An Alternate Universe with Vaughan Fleischfresser
Episode 126: Expanding our Musical Vocabularies with Christopher Tin
Episode 125: Making the Case for Choir with Tom Metzger
Episode 124: Teaching in a Famous Classroom with Myles Finn
Episode 124: Teaching in a Famous Classroom with Myles Finn
Episode 123: The Belonging Buffet
Episode 122: The Problem of “Racializing” Music with Contraband
Episode 121: When Magic Happens with Chanticleer
Episode 120: Jake Runestad Live in My Classroom!
Episode 119: Yes Middle Schoolers CAN! with Dale Duncan
Episode 118: Leveling the Playing Field with Dr. Chantae Pittman
Episode 117: Finding My Voice with Benedict Sheehan
Episode 116: What is Our MAIN Job?
Episode 115: The A Cappella Revolution with Rob Dietz
Car Thoughts: Thank you for your mistake
Episode 114: Boys Keep Singing! With Martin Ashley
Car Thoughts: Back to School with No Masks and Normalizing Noise Making
Everyone CAN Get an A, But Not Everyone Will
Episode 113: Are We Doing Anti-Racism Wrong? with Dr. Sheena Mason
Episode 112: Arts of Personhood and Shining Eyes
Ep 111: The Righteous Musician with Reena Esmail
Episode 110: Creating Laboratories for Friction with Mónica Guzmán
Episode 109: Doing the Business of Choir with Alex Gartner
Episode 108: Dropping the Covid Ball with Dr. Nikki Johnson
Episode 107: Retention Matters MORE than Recruitment
Episode 105: Work Less Hard, Have Better Choirs
Episode 104: Don’t Abandon the Canon! With Dr. Anika Prather
Episode 103: Finding My Voice with Brittney E. Boykin
Episode 102: Belonging Isn’t Top-Down
Episode 101: The Science of Program Building with Dr. Seth Pendergast
Episode 100: Sing Softer, You’re Off Key with Beth Munce
Episode 99: The World Imagined with Gabriel Jackson
Episode 98: You Are Your Story with Brent Morden, Michelle Pollino and Angel Eduardo
Senioritis vs. The Last Concert
Episode 97: Intentions Matter with Emily Williams Burch
Episode 96: “Real Men” Sing? with Braeden Ayres
Episode 95: Your School’s PD is Not Evidence Based with Dr. Kristina Mitchell
Episode 94: Singing High, Singing “Us” with Patrick Dailey
Episode 93: Togetherness Activists with Micah Hendler
Episode 92: Live at Missouri Music Educators
Episode 91: Music is My Culture with Trevor Weston
Episode 90: Sound Before Sight with Carol Krueger
Episode 89: Writing Music People LIKE to Sing with Alan Bullard
Episode 88: Music is Inherently Raceless with Theron Jenkins
Teacher Burnout Town Hall- Live Stream
YOUR 10 Favorite Episodes of 2021
YOUR 10 Favorite Episodes of 2021
Performance is Virtuous, Unmasked Concerts and Teacher Burnout
Episode 87: Demystifying Pitch Matching Struggles with Don Brinegar
Episode 86: All Students DESERVE Music Literacy with Odell Zeigler IV
Short message! Happy Thanksgiving!
Episode 85: “Exploring the Choirs of Europe” with James Whitbourn of St. Edmund Hall
Episode 84: Exploring the Choirs of Europe with Gary Graden of St. Jacobs Kammerkör
Episode 83: “Exploring the Choirs of Europe” Rupert Gough of Royal Holloway
Episode 82: Are Merit-BasedStandards Racist? With Angel Eduardo
Episode 81: Can Auditions be Inclusive? With Kirsten Oberoi
Episode 80: Finding Connection Again with Nicola Dedmon
Ask Me Literally ANYTHING! Vol. 1
Chris Reads from the Audience Mailbag and Joins the Cast of a NEW Podcast
Car Thoughts: Elite without elitism, merit without meritocracy
Episode 79: Is Grad School Right For Me?! André Thomas, Jennaya Robison and Giselle Wyers
Episode 78: The Only White Guy in the Room with Maria and Chris
Episode 77: Singing Without Fear with Dr. J.D. Frizzell
Episode 76: Finding a Niche with John Rutter
Episode 75: The Delta Variables with Dr. Tracy Hoeg (part 2)
Episode 75: The Delta Variables with Dr. Tracy Hoeg (Part 1)
Mastering Literacy Instruction- Live at Iowa ACDA
Bite Sized Choral Tips: “Mindset” in Rehearsal with William Bennett
Bite Size Back to School Thoughts- “Cultural Custodians” with Zach Singer
Car Thoughts Live: What is Expertise in Choral Music?
Reimagining the Rubric For “Success” In Choral Careers
The Essential PD Library: Starting Your School Year With Momentum
Episode 74: Is the Choral Ecosystem a Political Monolith? With Reginal Wright
Episode 73: Love Supreme with Professor Teodros Kiros
Episode 72: Artists! It’s OK to be an Entrepreneur with Brian Witkowski
Car Thoughts: The Conductor is ALWAYS Right?
Episode 71: It’s All in the Story, with Cecilia McDowall
Episode 70: Legitimate Love and Suffering in the Music Classroom with Dr. Ryan Board
Episode 69: Higher Standards-Lower Anxiety
Car Thoughts: Is Social Media Steering or Reflecting Choir Conversations?
A Rhetorical Analysis of Toxic Discourses with Dr. Erec Smith
Episode 67 Part 2: Growing Access in a Greenhouse with Vince Peterson
Episode 67 Part 1: How to Create your Musician’s Credo with Vince Peterson
Episode 66: “I Shine!” Music as Self Care with Sarah Quartel
Car Thoughts: How To Get Choirs to “Sing Louder”
Episode 65: The Art of Community with Dr. Iona Italia
How NOT to Write Your Cancellation Essay
Episode 63: “We Face People.” The Courage of the Choir with Bob Chilcott
Thoughts on What ‘Elitism” Means in Choral Music
Episode 62: Filling in the Gaps with Choir
Episode 61: Give Me Some Humanity! With Will Todd
Episode 60: Labels Won’t Stick to Isaac Cates
Motivational Message From Dr. Emily Williams Burch!
Episode 59: Married to the Choir with The Robison’s and the The Munces
Why You May Have Misunderstood Singers Masks and the Aerosol Study
Episode 58: Telling the Story of American Choral Singing
Episode 57: Working Between Worlds with Reena Esmail
Car Thoughts: I Think We Dis the Super Bowl Music Because We’re Jealous
Car Thoughts: Why Conversations Online End Badly
Episode 56: Sound Engineering for Dummies with Josh Williams
Car Thoughts: The Performance is still critical.
Episode 55: Music At the Intersection of Identities with Deborah Stephens
Episode 54: Choir Teacher TikTok and Tips for Social Media Use for Educators with Katherine Rosenfeld
Episode 53: The Enneagram As a Tool for Harmonious Rehearsals with Kailin Kane
BONUS Virtual Unit on Resonance- VIDEO VERSION RECOMMENDED.
COVID and Social Justice: A Look Back at Audience Favorites of 2020
Episode 52: Better Choirs with Less Work After Hours with Guest Host John Sargent
Choir Director Probs: Rose Colored Glasses on Virtual School
Episode 51: Diversifying Repertoire is a Personal Journey with Dr. Janet Galván
Composer Exposer: David Von Kampen
Episode 50: An Eagle’s Eye View with Dr. Eph Ehly
Episode 49: Cutting Through the Hype of Covid in Schools with Dr. Tracy Høeg
Episode 48: The Choral Marathon with Dr. Emily Williams Burch In the Studio
Navigating Post-Election Conversations at Thanksgiving Dinner with Angel Eduardo
Episode 47: The Mental Gymnastics of COVID Rehearsals with Dr. Kyle Nielsen
Who Does This Guy Think He Is?
Episode 46: Teaching With Heart with Dr. Jason Max Ferdinand
Episode 45: It’s Time to Transfer the Deed to Our Singers with Dr. Betsy Cook Weber
Choir Director Problems: The Psychology of Growth vs. Achievement in Assessment
Episode 44: Prioritizing Technique. Not Style with Andrew Crane and Jami Rhodes
Episode 43: The Tools for Our Time With Troy Robertson of Chor Amor
A Conversation and Concert With Michael McGlynn and Anuna
Episode 42: Tips And Tricks for Vocal Health. Masked or Online. With Lori Sonnenberg
Episode 41: The Kids are Not Ok-Class of 2020 Edition
Episode 40: When Artists Have to Learn Science with Nick Sienkiewicz
Bonus Episode: Plans for a Hybrid Rehearsal Structure
Episode 39: The Birth and Maturation of the Virtual Choir with Eric Whitacre
Bonus Episode: Stepping Outside the Choir World with Sociologist Dr. Roderick Graham
Resonance Singer’s Mask Demo (video version on YouTube)
Episode 38: Necessity is the Mother of Invention with Dr. Farrin Manian
Episode 37: Speaking of Diversity in High Definition with Arreon Harley-Emerson
Episode 36: Are We Asking All the Right COVID Questions? With Dr. David McKinsey of Research Medical Center
The Eye of the Tiger
Episode 35: Equity Pitfalls of Online Music Instruction with Emmy Burch
Episode 34: Copyright Law Myths and the Future of Choral Publishing with Susan LaBarr
Episode 33: Risk Assessment for Group Activities with Dr. Amesh Adalja of Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security
Episode 32: Resetting the Voice for the Choral Director with Lori Sonnenberg
Choir Director Probs: No I Am Not Going to Embrace Distance Learning
Episode 31: Stuck at Home? Try Composing! With Ryan Main
Choir Director Probs: It’s Ok to Suck at Being an Online Choir Teacher
Episode 30. How to lead the perfect FINAL rehearsal before festival. If COVID 19 lets us have the festival…
Episode 29: Part 4 of “Choral Music: A HUMAN Art Form” with Christopher Harris
Episode 29: Part 3 of “Choral Music: A HUMAN Art Form” with Jazz Rucker
Episode 29: Part 2 of “Choral Music: A HUMAN art Form” with Maria Ellis
Episode 29: Part 1 of “Choral Music: A HUMAN art Form”
Episode 28: Can Pitches be Perfect?
Episode 27: Reboot, Restart and Revitalize
Episode 26: The Art (or Science?) of Teaching the Vowel with Amanda Quist
Episode 25: Loving by Letting Go with Jaclyn Johnson
Episode 24: Thanksgiving-Finding your “Why” by Practicing Gratitude
Bonus: Teaching Vowels, Blend and Resonance with 21st Century Tools
Episode 23: Words, Music and Art with Charles Anthony Silvestri
Episode 22: The VOCES8 Philosophy with Paul Smith
Episode 21: Anyone can get an A in Choir…
Episode 20: Choral Appropriation? Or Cultural Sharing with Brandon Boyd
Episode 19: Seeking Anti-Fragility in the Choral Rehearsal with Eric Barnum
Episode 18: Ripping off the bandaid
Episode 17: Beyond Elijah Rock with Dr. Marques Garrett
Episode 16: Growing the Choral Pie with Beth Philemon
Episode 15: Making Your Choir Thoughts Public with Adam Paltrowitz
Episode 14: The Divide Between Pro and Amateur Choirs with William Baker and Patrick Neas.
Special Edition: Summer Institute Panel Discussion
Episode 13: Choral Snobbery? with Chris Maunu
Episode 12: Does the Performance Goal of Most Choirs Lead to Exclusion? With John Perkins
Episode 11: Breaking Down Barriers with Jason Max Ferdinand
Episode 10: A Voice in Transition with Theo Wren
Episode 9: How Should Choralosophers Handle Contentious Choral Topics?
Episode 8: Renovating the Voice
Episode 7: The Notebooks of Leonardo Da Vinci with Jocelyn Hagen
Episode 6: Avoiding Burnout and Other Life Hacks. Elisa Janson Jones