Clean Play Podcast

Season 2 ends the way the Clean Play Pod lives: honest, sports-nerdy, and forward-facing. Anne and Chris wrap up 2025’s biggest sports moments—from the Super Bowl to the NBA Finals to women’s hoops rising—and name what those storylines teach us about sobriety, identity, and change.Then the conversation turns into the real locker-room talk: what happens when alcohol isn’t the center of your life anymore… and even recovery stops being the center? They unpack “orientation,” the grief of leaving an old identity (sport, drinking, even “recovering”), and how to build a 2026 that’s rooted in purpose—not hustle.Takeaways/Timestamps (high-level)Sobriety isn’t the finish line—it’s the clearance. Once the “big problem” is gone, you get to ask: what am I building now?Urgency ≠ grind culture. You can treat today like a “playoff game” without burning yourself out.Your identity can’t stay problem-centered forever. If alcohol was the sun, and recovery became the sun… what’s your next orientation?Systems beat motivation (especially in January). Your “why” has to mean something deeper than shame or pressure.You’re allowed to evolve. You’re still you—whether you enter, exit, try again, or say no.[00:00] Happy 2026 + why this is the Season 2 finale[03:50] Biggest sports moments of 2025 (and what they reveal)[12:10] Injuries, athlete mortality, and why we don’t cheer for pain[18:50] Sports storylines = life storylines (the “dip” after the high)[23:30] Urgency without hustle + why motivation won’t cover the gap[25:40] “Sobriety was the sun” → reorientation, orbit, and “now what?”[33:50] 2026 intentions: zeal, faith, and the word “no”

What happens when you’re excellent on paper—but falling apart in private? In this episode, Anne and Chris sit down with Jessica Dueñas (Bottomless to Sober, former teacher, Kentucky State Teacher of the Year) for a conversation about body image, achievement, stigma, and the moment sobriety stopped being a “band-aid” and became a full identity rebuild. This is Clean Play game film for anyone who’s been praised for performance while quietly losing themselves.Takeaways (5)Timestamps (3–6)Resources / Guest Links Mentioned:Achievement can’t heal old wounds—it can only distract you from them for a while.Alcohol doesn’t de-stress; it delays—and the bill shows up the next morning.Recovery needs the right fit: support that works for you beats shame-based “one way.”Medication isn’t a moral failure—it can be crutches while your nervous system heals.Worth is inherent: “Your sobriety does not determine your worth.” Full stop.[01:10] Meet Jessica + why this conversation matters[03:25] “Born to teach” + seeking affirmation outside the home[11:12] The stress of education: standards, systems, and no wiggle room[17:09] Trying to quit alone + why treatment became necessary[21:10] Building a recovery path that fits (therapy, medication, writing)[34:56] Worthiness, body image, and parenting without passing the shame downJessica Dueñas: Bottomless to Sober (website + Substack + podcast)Instagram: @JessicaDuaneis24Mentioned: The Four Agreements (Don Miguel Ruiz) This Naked Mind (Annie Grace)

In this episode of Clean Play, Anne and Chris start with NFL chaos, grieving a tragic loss in the Cowboys organization, and end up exactly where they always do: life beyond the game. They talk about the pressure athletes feel to “play through the pain,” Anne’s three-year sobriety milestone and the moment she finally asked for help, and how alcohol quietly becomes a way to replay our old highlight reels. Then they pivot to Section Yellow at Lambeau Field, sober fan sections, and real-world tips for surviving your first (or fifth) sober Thanksgiving—without forfeiting football, family, or joy.Takeaways and TimestampsWinning has to include your whole life, not just the game. If the only scoreboard you’re watching is performance, your mental health will always come second.Some things are not worth pushing through. The same mentality that gets athletes through injury can make it really hard to say “I’m not okay” out loud.Identity after sport is tender ground. When the jersey comes off—whether as a player or coach—alcohol can sneak in as a way to relive old highlight reels.Sober fans still belong. From Section Yellow at Lambeau to sober tailgates and NA beer at the bar, you don’t have to drink to be part of the moment.Holidays need game plans too. Time limits, movement, NA options, and post-holiday rewards can turn a dreaded Thanksgiving into a sober win.[00:00] Government names, Thanksgiving vibes, and NFL chaos this season[04:30] Grieving a Cowboys player’s death and the hidden cost of “just push through it”[11:30] Anne’s three years sober, depression after sport, and finally asking for help[21:00] Life beyond the game: when identity, alcohol, and old highlight reels collide[25:30] Section Yellow at Lambeau, sober tailgates, and belonging without booze[34:30] Real talk holiday coaching: sober Thanksgiving tips, boundaries, and permission

If you’ve ever felt that quiet “I think I might be done with this version of myself” moment — this one is for you. This episode hits the real tension: when your old role, your old grind, or your old identity stops serving you… and you can feel the pivot coming — but you don’t know what the next version looks like yet.Episode Summary Anne and Chris talk honestly about retirement from a core identity — not just from sport, but from a chapter. We get into what it means to sunset a season with intention, what it means to pivot instead of cling, and how clarity (in alcohol-free life) makes that shift cleaner. We also unpack the WNBA Finals, Asia Wilson’s leadership, the illusion of fairness in sports betting, and the difference between chasing a hit vs building contentment. Keywords naturally integrated: life after sport, navigating identity shift, alcohol-free athlete.What You’ll Learn in This Episode: • Why sunsetting a season is a power move, not giving up • How Aja Wilson models leadership without hype • Why sports betting is breaking fan trust • What contentment actually looks like in the day-to-day • How clarity in alcohol-free life supports smarter pivotsListen in — this one hits deep and current.

You don’t need another hype video—you need a game plan you can actually sustain. If you’re an athlete navigating life after sport or sober-curious about what comes next, this episode gives you a pace that wins in the long run.We break down the “slow burn” approach: controlled pace, load management, and one-day-at-a-time habits that keep you healthy, present, and competitive—on the field and off. From tricky identity shifts to pressure from fans, family, and feeds, we get honest about building as an alcohol-free person without burning out.What You’ll Learn in This Episode: • Why “go slow to grow” beats quick fixes in sport, business, and recovery • How load management applies to training, work, and your nervous system • A simple “one glass at a time” habit frame that actually sticks • The difference between looking busy online and doing real work in the dark • How to navigate identity shifts after sport without losing yourselfPress play now and pick up a pace that helps you last—not just launch.Resources & Links: • Clean Play Coaching — coaching for athletes navigating identity shift and sober living - www.cleanplaycoaching.com • “Faster Than Light” by Chris Marshall — the “slow burn” ember we reference - Find Chris’s Book Here: https://www.amazon.com/Faster-Than-Light-Alcohol-Free-Revolution/dp/B0FB9GCPRF/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1QV2WRWPNOXG9&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.S2sdVPqKTcbvPz99O0ZZhTiaVKyu0oUSeaPVt-zzFt9L-EG5lDyYzjASp8Lgp3g8UxXIHgcZeLIYL3TfmR-krs6CzwfRdh3KICJ5vOeN-Kmkl1E7CaLN0_CryRObGpAR5Z695qWpvkNWW1jsywIrv37ApRbvyMZ7xzNEnXb_LdE-1ylaNymO2TlOeA7fwAsz-qqZeeTE4wDVwTvfdCbpxb1ALToRmpiJbwAZMvakfKY.lHMr_RdeosALo1fPET4XAMCr8mHAhrqXW_XXM1xKJOs&dib_tag=se&keywords=faster+than+light&qid=1758149209&sprefix=faster+than+light%2Caps%2C166&sr=8-1 • Sans Bar Academy & Mocktail School — skill-building for an alcohol-free life - https://www.thesansbar.com/

When the game is on the line—fourth and one—you either play it safe or you go for it. Athletes know that choice. So do people rebuilding life after sport or navigating sobriety. This episode breaks down what it really means to step into pressure moments and live with the outcome—win or lose.Chris and Anne take the conversation from the NFL kickoff to Taylor Swift’s “Mamba Mentality” to personal stories of choosing risk in entrepreneurship, relationships, and sober living. If you’re an athlete asking, “Who am I now, and what does it look like to go all in on myself?”—this one is for you.What You’ll Learn in This Episode: • Why “going for it” is about more than the outcome—it’s about identity and resolve • How lessons from sport translate to life after sport and sobriety • The difference between fearlessness and the courage to live with both winning and losing • How risk, resilience, and resolve show up in entrepreneurship and recovery • Why practicing tough moments prepares you for when it’s truly fourth and onePress play to hear why choosing courage over comfort changes everything—on the field and in life.Resources & Links: • Clean Play Coaching • Follow Anne on Instagram: @cleanplaycoachingFollow Chris on Instagram: @sans_bar

Stop Consuming. Start Creating.If you’ve been feeling stuck, drained, or like life after sport has lost its spark, this one’s for you. Mark Cuban once said, “Humans were designed to create. This is why you get depressed when all you do is consume.” In this episode, Anne and Chris break down what that means for athletes, sober folks, and anyone trying to rebuild their identity beyond the scoreboard.Instead of sitting on the sidelines watching everyone else play, what would it look like to create your own version of the game? From basketball practice to writing books, from sobriety to showing up in meetings—you’ll hear how discipline, repetition, and creativity actually feed each other.• Why athletes struggle when they stop “creating” through sport—and how to reclaim that spark in sobriety. • The difference between watching from the stands and actually getting in the game of your own life. • How discipline and repetition unlock creativity (yes, even off the court). • Why passive consumption (scrolling, watching, lurking) leaves you unfulfilled—and what to do instead. • Practical ways to shift from “sideline mode” to actively creating your own path in life after sport.If you’re tired of just consuming and ready to step back into the game—press play now.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:• Why athletes struggle when they stop “creating” through sport—and how to reclaim that spark in sobriety. • The difference between watching from the stands and actually getting in the game of your own life. • How discipline and repetition unlock creativity (yes, even off the court). • Why passive consumption (scrolling, watching, lurking) leaves you unfulfilled—and what to do instead. • Practical ways to shift from “sideline mode” to actively creating your own path in life after sport.If you’re tired of just consuming and ready to step back into the game—press play now.Resources & Links:Connect with Anne: www.cleanplaycoaching.comLearn more about Chris’s work:https://www.thesansbar.com/

 In this episode of the Clean Play Podcast, Chris and Anne dive deep into the concept of “staying in the gym”—the discipline of showing up consistently for your growth, whether you’re training for a championship, building a sober life, or leading yourself through personal transformation.From football season anticipation to obscure but entertaining sports (tortilla slapping, anyone?), the conversation flows into the parallels between athletic preparation and life’s bigger challenges. Anne and Chris share personal stories about proximity, persistence, and why the basics matter more than the highlight reel.They unpack:Why “staying in the gym” is about mindset as much as skillThe difference between showing up and really showing upHow possibility doesn’t guarantee success—but success can’t happen without itThe trap of chasing external validation and how to root growth internallyLessons from Kobe Bryant, Ja Morant, and unexpected moments of opportunityHow to avoid burnout in sobriety, sports, and personal developmentWhether you’re a coach, an athlete, or someone navigating life’s transitions, this episode will challenge you to think differently about discipline, growth, and purpose.Resources & Links:Clean Play Coaching – Download your Unleash Your Mamba free guide and sign up for your complimentary scouting report at www.cleanplaycoaching.comThe Mocktail School – Learn the art of crafting alcohol-free cocktails with Chris Marshall and mixologist Lila Vulcas at The Sans BarListen now and find out why staying close to the work—your “gym”—is the secret to lasting transformation.

Title: Slowing Down to Get AheadDescription:In this episode, Chris and I dive deep into a counterintuitive truth we’ve both lived in sports, sobriety, business, and life: sometimes the fastest way forward is to slow down. From the pace of an NBA Finals game to the lessons of a NASCAR track, we explore how intentional pacing builds clarity, confidence, and long-term success.We share personal stories—like the time I learned to stop trying to play like someone else and lean into my own strengths, and the moment Chris’s rush to keep up with others cost him $10K during the pandemic. We also talk about identity, running your own race, and why blocking out the noise (both criticism and praise) is key to staying true to yourself.Whether you’re an athlete, entrepreneur, or simply trying to live a more intentional life, this conversation will challenge you to think about how you’re setting your pace—and remind you that slowing down isn’t the same as falling behind.What you’ll learn in this episode:Why pace is a critical skill in sports and in lifeHow rushing from a place of fear can cost you—literally and emotionallyThe difference between slowing down because you’re unprepared vs. because you have a planHow to block out external pressure and stay true to your identityWhy clarity only comes when you’re willing to pauseThe unexpected ways rest can actually accelerate your progressLinks & Resources:Chris’s book: Faster Than Light – [Available wherever books are sold]Follow me on Instagram: [@CleanPlayCoaching]Follow Chris on Instagram: [@SandsBar]How you can support the podcast:Leave a rating & review on Apple Podcasts or SpotifyFollow, comment, and share on social media—it’s free and helps more people find usShare this episode with a friend who needs a reminder to slow down

Episode Title: Slowing Down to Get Ahead: The Power of Rest, Reflection, and Resetting Your Game PlanEpisode Summary:In this episode of the Clean Play Podcast, Chris and I dive into a counterintuitive truth: sometimes the fastest way to move forward is to slow down. We explore why rest isn’t just a luxury—it’s a competitive advantage in sobriety, business, and life. From sports analogies to personal stories, we unpack how taking a strategic pause can sharpen your focus, strengthen your self-trust, and align your actions with your purpose.Whether you’re navigating early sobriety, growing a business, or chasing a personal goal, this conversation will help you rethink the pace you’re keeping—and give you permission to pause without guilt.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:How slowing down can actually accelerate your progress.The link between recovery (in both sports and sobriety) and sustainable performance.Practical ways to integrate rest and reflection into your routine without losing momentum.Why “doing less” can sometimes be the most productive move you make.How to spot the warning signs that you’re pushing too hard—and what to do instead.Why This Episode Matters:In a culture that glorifies the grind, rest can feel like weakness. But just like elite athletes schedule recovery days to perform at their best, we too need moments to reset and regroup. This episode is your playbook for building those moments into your own game plan—so you can stay in the arena for the long haul.Links & Resources Mentioned:Follow Clean Play Coaching on Instagram: @CleanPlayCoachingLearn more about coaching with me: Clean Play Coaching WebsitePrevious episode: Playing the Long Game in SobrietyListen Now:Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Google Podcasts |

Why In-Person Connection Still Matters: Lessons from Our NYC MeetupEpisode Summary:Sometimes the moments that change us the most aren’t about the place—they’re about the people. In this episode, Chris and I unpack our recent trip to New York: the energy, the unexpected lessons, and the way in-person connection can deepen relationships in a way no Zoom meeting ever could.We share stories about seeing the city through fresh eyes, embracing help when it’s offered, and the joy (and challenge) of stepping outside your comfort zone. From recovery takeaways to sports metaphors, this episode is all about why showing up—physically, fully, and vulnerably—matters.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:Why accepting help and love can be harder than it sounds—and why it’s worth practicingHow in-person experiences strengthen community in ways virtual connection can’tThe importance of doing things that scare you (and how that builds resilience)How staying around “new players” keeps your passion alive, both in sports and sobrietyWhy shared meals, small moments, and physical presence create lasting bondsLinks & Resources:Follow Clean Play Coaching on Instagram: @CleanPlayCoachingLearn more about coaching with me: Clean Play Coaching WebsiteListen to past episodes: Podcast ArchiveHow to Support the Show:If this conversation resonates, share it with a friend who needs encouragement to step out of their comfort zone. And if you haven’t already, rate and review the podcast—it helps more people find our sports-meets-sobriety conversations

Why In-Person Connection Will Always Be Worth the EffortEpisode Summary:Virtual connection is easy, but it can’t replace the magic of showing up in person. In this episode, Chris and I reflect on our recent trip to New York—our first live podcast recording together—and the lessons it taught us about community, courage, and letting people help you.We share the moments that stuck with us most: hugging friends we’d only seen on screen, seeing Times Square through someone else’s eyes, and realizing that accepting help and love can be harder than it sounds. Whether you’re an athlete, in recovery, or building a business, this conversation will inspire you to make more space for face-to-face connection in your life.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:Why in-person connection deepens trust and strengthens bondsHow to receive help without guilt or resistanceThe value of doing things that scare youWhy surrounding yourself with “new players” keeps your passion aliveHow to be intentional about creating shared experiencesLinks & Resources:Follow Clean Play Coaching on Instagram: @CleanPlayCoachingLearn more about coaching with me: Clean Play Coaching WebsiteListen to past episodes: Podcast ArchiveSupport the Show:If you loved this conversation, share it with a friend who could use some encouragement to get out from behind the screen and connect in person. And don’t forget to leave a rating and review—it helps others find the podcast.

 In this heartfelt and inspiring episode of the Clean Play Podcast, Anne and Chris sit down with returning guest—and now official “star player”—Jamie Magnet. Jamie is a writer, creator, entrepreneur, and sober queer human who has just celebrated a huge milestone: four years free from alcohol and cocaine, and nearly two years cannabis-free.Jamie opens up about her path to sobriety, the role of harm reduction in her recovery, and how creativity has been both a healing practice and a lifeline. From poetry and painting to Zumba classes and joyful freestyle dancing, Jamie shares how connecting with her inner child has helped her navigate grief, change, and the spectrum of big emotions without returning to substances.You’ll hear us dive into:The power of harm reduction and why “all or nothing” isn’t the only way to recoverHow creativity—whether through art, movement, or unexpected outlets—can ground and sustain sobrietyThe connection between sports, emotion, and personal growthWhy anger, when harnessed, can be a tool rather than a threatFinding joy in the moment instead of chasing a distant “finish line”What four years sober has really taught Jamie about showing up for herselfIf you’ve ever wondered how to keep going when the road feels long, or how to find joy and expression in the sober journey, Jamie’s story will leave you inspired and encouraged.Resources & Links:Follow Jamie’s writing and art on SubstackLearn more about The Mocktail School’s NA mixology workshops at The Sans BarConnect with Anne at Clean Play Coaching at www.cleanplaycoaching.com

In this inspiring Season 2 premiere of the Clean Play Podcast, Anne and Chris sit down with bestselling author, speaker, and alcohol-free empowerment coach Karolina Rzadkowolska for a powerful conversation about courage, purpose, and what it really means to live an extraordinary life.Karolina shares her journey from “weekend drinker” to seven years alcohol-free, revealing how Dry January sparked a transformation that went far beyond what was in her glass. She opens up about the deep connection between fulfillment, self-trust, and the courage to begin before you feel ready—whether you’re chasing a dream, building a business, or redefining your relationship with alcohol.Drawing on her own path and coaching work, Karolina explains why going alcohol-free can be an initiation into your highest potential, how irrational confidence can be your secret weapon, and why mastery—just like in sports—comes from consistent, courageous action.This episode is for athletes, entrepreneurs, and anyone ready to stop playing small, get out of their comfort zone, and step fully into the life they were meant to live.What you’ll learn in this episode:Why courage—not confidence—is the real first step toward your goalsHow alcohol-free living can unlock purpose, creativity, and self-leadershipThe power of irrational confidence and growth mindset in sports, sobriety, and entrepreneurshipHow to identify your true desires beyond the “shoulds” of lifeWhy living alcohol-free should be the status symbol of the futureResources & Links:Karolina’s book: Euphoric: Ditch Alcohol and Gain a Happier, More Confident YouFollow Karolina on Instagram: @euphoric.af⁠Learn more about Anne’s coaching: www.cleanplaycoaching.comMocktail School (Season Sponsor): mocktailschool.com

Anne and Chris sit down with Lynnae who shares her story to freedom around alcohol. How IFS and other coping techniques help her on her sober path and how year 2 of sobriety is looking for her. She shares her wisdom, candor and powerful message about the freedom a sober lifestyle has given her.

 In this episode of the Clean Play Podcast, Anne and Chris dig into a viral clip from Duke Women’s Basketball Head Coach Kara Lawson—one that flips the script on how we think about life’s challenges. The takeaway? Life doesn’t get easier. You get better at handling hard.From the hardwood to the early days of sobriety, Anne and Chris share personal stories of seasons that felt impossible in the moment, but became the training ground for future success. They explore how reframing difficulty—whether in sports, recovery, or entrepreneurship—can help you meet challenges with preparation, resilience, and self-trust.You’ll hear:Why “waiting for things to get easier” is a trap that keeps you stuckHow sports training and sobriety both build your capacity to handle hard momentsThe difference between toxic toughness and true preparationWhy every season—on the court or in life—has its own challengesPractical ways to stack resources so you’re ready for whatever comes nextWhether you’re in a winning streak or facing overtime in life, this conversation will help you shift your mindset, embrace the tough moments, and build the skills that make the game worth playing.

 We’re back! In the Season 2 opener of the Clean Play Podcast, Anne and Chris return with fresh energy, new perspectives, and a game plan to expand the conversations at the intersection of sports, sobriety, and authentic living.Anne shares what’s been happening in her “off-season”—from a big move to Tampa Bay to diving deep into a life coaching certification that’s stretching her skills and vision for Clean Play Coaching. Chris opens up about finally finishing his book after years of starts and stops, plus relaunching his nationwide Sands Bar tour to showcase the best in alcohol-free experiences.This episode sets the tone for a bigger, more inclusive season. Anne and Chris talk about:Why they’re widening the podcast lens beyond just sports or sobrietyHow balance and identity play into living fully alcohol-freeThe “better ways” conversation—ditching moral superiority for honest dialogue about alcohol’s impactAthlete habits and off-season preparation as powerful metaphors for personal growthWhy cultural portrayals of recovery need a refreshYou’ll also hear their candid takes on Luka Dončić, Tom Brady’s film study discipline, and how “being in shape” applies far beyond the playing field. Plus, a little halftime show speculation just for fun.Whether you’re sober, sober-curious, an athlete, or simply someone looking for better ways to live with intention, this season promises conversations that inspire growth, challenge assumptions, and celebrate the wins on and off the court.Resources & Links:Follow Anne: www.cleanplaycoaching @cleanplaycoaching Follow Chris: The Sans Bar 

You don’t need perfect conditions to move—just a honest check-in and the next right play. If you’re an athlete (or former one) who’s sober curious and staring down a life transition, this season finale will feel like a huddle that actually helps.We look back on Season 1 and get real about wins, setbacks, and what keeps us steady. Chris shares sober travel in Morocco—sports bars packed, zero booze, big community—and how sport still anchors an alcohol-free life. Anne opens up about injury recovery, a new life-coaching path, and celebrating two years sober. Together we unpack consistency over perfection, reframing goals in “life after sport,” and building routines that stick when motivation fades.What You’ll Learn in This Episode: • How “press play, not perfect” builds momentum for the alcohol-free athlete • Sober travel insights from Morocco (watching matches without the drinks) • A simple way to celebrate milestones without making it a whole production • Reframing goals during injury, career shifts, or writing seasons—aka navigating identity shift • Daily systems > hype: small plays that add up over a seasonReady for a grounded reset and a push into Season 2? Hit play and ride with us.

Every athlete knows the importance of finishing strong—and this episode is exactly that. As we close out Season One of The Clean Play Podcast, Anne and Chris get real about what it takes to start something new, stay consistent when life gets messy, and keep showing up even when it’s far from perfect.Episode Summary: From the first “record” button to the final whistle of Season One, this conversation looks back at how Clean Play found its rhythm—through sport, sobriety, and storytelling. Anne and Chris reflect on what they’ve learned about teamwork, growth, and identity, and how letting go of perfection made the podcast (and their lives) more authentic. Whether you’re an athlete rebuilding your playbook after sport or someone exploring an alcohol-free life, this episode reminds you that progress always beats perfection.What You’ll Learn in This Episode: • Why “just pressing play” matters more than waiting until you’re ready • How building something imperfect teaches you self-trust and resilience • What the Clean Play journey revealed about growth, recovery, and consistency • How to reframe setbacks and redefine what “winning” looks like in life after sport • The biggest takeaways from Season One—and what’s next for Clean PlayPress play to wrap up Season One with us—and see what showing up can do for your own game.

If you’re an athlete (or former one) sitting at the start line of change, this episode is your pace car. We’re talking real-life tools to move from “maybe I should” to “I did”—on the road and in your alcohol-free life.Distance runner Crystal Rosales joins us from Chicago to break down how she went from first 8K to her seventh marathon (Berlin), five-and-a-half years alcohol-free. We get into the marathon mindset, why community beats willpower, and how to stop chasing PRs that don’t serve you. If you’re navigating an identity shift or building your alcohol-free athlete playbook, this one lands.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:• How Crystal used running to structure early sobriety—without letting it become “the new fix.”• A mile-by-mile emotions map of the marathon (and the mantras that keep you moving).• Community > discipline: using run crews to stay accountable and actually enjoy the work.• Reframing goals: from “BQ or bust” to joy, longevity, and training with purpose.• Practicals: heat/cold adjustments, gear basics, walk breaks, and why “your pace is your pace.”Press play and take the next mile with us—one run, one day, one decision at a time.

What do the Olympics, ballet, and sobriety have in common? More than you’d think. In this episode, Anne and Chris unpack their recent conversation with Houston legend Lauren Anderson—the first Black principal dancer for the Houston Ballet—and reflect on what her story reveals about discipline, identity, and freedom after sport.Anne and Chris dive deep into what it means to live with “joyful rigor,” a term Lauren used to describe the intersection of discipline and delight. They explore how high performers—from athletes to artists—learn to let go of perfection, embrace simplicity, and show up authentically in every season of life. The duo also shares their takeaways from the Paris Olympics, including the impact of the alcohol-free village, the global sense of belonging that sports create, and the power of showing up fully present—on and off the field.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:• The biggest lessons from Lauren Anderson’s journey in life after sport• Why simplicity—not hustle—is the key to long-term success and sobriety• How “joyful rigor” helps athletes and sober individuals stay grounded• The power of the alcohol-free movement on the world’s biggest stage• How authenticity and presence build real freedom and connectionWhether you’re rebuilding after sport or just finding your rhythm in sober life, this episode is a reminder that presence is the real win.

What happens when one of America’s most celebrated ballerinas—someone who reached the absolute peak of her craft—finds herself starting over? In this episode, Lauren Anderson, the first Black principal dancer at the Houston Ballet, gets real about the highs of performance, the crash of addiction, and the discipline it takes to rebuild from the ground up.Episode Summary:Lauren joins Anne and Chris for a powerful conversation about life after sport, recovery, and the freedom that comes from surrender. She shares how she went from performing on the world’s biggest stages to sitting in a courtroom, facing herself for the first time—and how that moment changed everything. This is a story about grace, grit, and the kind of discipline that outlasts talent.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:• How high-performing athletes and artists can hide addiction behind “success”• The moment that forced Lauren to get honest and ask for help• Why discipline and accountability are key to long-term recovery• How “joyful rigor” and community keep her grounded after 15 years sober• What it means to find identity and purpose beyond performanceListen now to hear how Lauren Anderson turned her lowest moment into a life of purpose, presence, and freedom.Resources & Links:• Follow Lauren on Instagram: @LaurenAndersonOfficial• Learn more about the Houston Ballet: houstonballet.org

Ever hit a stretch in life—or sobriety—where nothing feels like it’s moving? That in-between space where the excitement fades, the grind feels endless, and you start wondering if you’ve lost your edge? This episode is all about that. Anne and Chris dive into what they call the doldrums—those flat, windless seasons where progress stalls and purpose feels fuzzy. Drawing lessons from both sports and recovery, they unpack how to keep floating when momentum disappears, why “not moving” isn’t the same as “failing,” and what it really means to find the wind again in your life after sport. If you’ve ever felt stuck, restless, or unsure what’s next in your alcohol-free journey, this one will hit home.What You’ll Learn in This Episode: • How to recognize when you’ve hit the doldrums in sport, sobriety, or life • Why forcing progress often keeps you stuck—and what to do instead • The difference between rest and resistance (and why both matter) • How to rebuild confidence and direction when motivation fades • Practical tools and “flotation devices” for staying grounded during slow seasonsListen now and learn how to float through the stillness until you find the wind again.

Ever missed an easy layup and felt like it was bigger than basketball? This week, Anne and Chris get real about what happens when performance, pressure, and perfectionism collide—on the court and in life after sport.Summary:In this episode of the Clean Play Podcast, Anne opens up about a tough rec-league loss and the emotions that came with it—frustration, shame, and self-doubt. Chris helps her slow down the moment and unpack what it really means to “lose well.” Together, they explore how the athlete mindset shapes our relationship with failure, recovery, and identity—and how learning to take the L can actually make you stronger, both in sport and sobriety.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:• Why athletes often tie their worth to performance—and how to shift that mindset• The difference between losing a game and becoming the loss• How to find freedom and joy after failure (even when it stings)• What sports can teach us about recovery, resilience, and letting go of control• How to turn frustration into fuel—without burning yourself outIf you’ve ever missed a shot and felt like it meant more than the scoreboard, this one’s for you. Press play and get back in the game.

In this episode of The Clean Play Podcast, Anne and Chris welcome their second guest, Rachel K, for a powerful conversation about recovery, relapse, and resilience—both on the field and off.A lifelong athlete and proud St. Louis native, Rachel shares how growing up in a city obsessed with sports shaped her mindset around hard work, community, and accountability. From early mornings at softball practice to standing under stadium lights cheering on her teams, she talks about the lessons sports taught her: discipline, repetition, humility, and the ability to bounce back after failure.Rachel opens up about returning to sobriety after a relapse—what she learned from it, how she rebuilt her foundation, and the game plan that keeps her steady today. Through sports metaphors and real-life honesty, she shows how the athlete mentality can be one of the greatest assets in recovery.This conversation is a reminder that setbacks don’t define you—they refine you. Whether you’re in early sobriety, rebuilding after sport, or learning how to start over, this episode will help you find strength in showing up again and again.In This Episode, You’ll Learn:How relapse can become a catalyst for deeper recoveryWhy athletic repetition mirrors sober consistencyWhat it means to turn day one into day wonHow to stay connected to your team—on and off the fieldWhy “having a plan” keeps you in the game when life tests youKey Quote:“Every day you show up is another rep. Some days you hit two out of a hundred, some days ninety-five—but you keep shooting.”

In this milestone episode of The Clean Play Podcast, Anne and Chris welcome their very first guest — John a.k.a. “J-Flow” — for a conversation about fandom, faithfulness, and finding joy in the long game.From childhood memories of the New Orleans Saints and Chicago Bulls to Anne’s own years of college basketball and coaching, the group dives into what it means to stay in something you love even when it’s hard. Whether it’s showing up for your team, your body, or your sobriety, the message is the same: consistency wins over time.John shares what it’s like to be a lifelong Saints fan — riding out the heartbreaks and hanging on to the moments that make it all worth it — and connects that same resilience to six years of recovery. Together, they explore how community keeps you grounded, how to move forward after losses, and why both sports and sobriety require the same muscle: learning to begin again.This episode is full of humor, honesty, and perspective — the kind of locker-room talk that reminds you why you started in the first place.In This Episode You’ll Learn:How loyalty in sports mirrors commitment in sobrietyWhy every “losing season” holds lessons for growthThe power of short memory and long visionHow community sustains recovery and passion alikeWhy joy, not perfection, keeps you in the gameKey Quote:“You might take an L today — but there’s always another season.”

In this milestone episode of The Clean Play Podcast, Anne and Chris explore what it really means to love the game—of basketball, of healing, and of life.From childhood memories of MJ and Kobe to the grind of college athletics, Anne shares how her relationship with basketball has evolved through seasons of burnout, injury, and rediscovery. Together, they draw the parallels between athletic passion and the sober journey—how staying in love with the process, not just the wins, is what keeps you in the game long-term.Chris reflects on early recovery and how he first fell in love with sobriety—not for what it took away, but for what it gave back: laughter, connection, and genuine joy. The two unpack why growth requires community, why mindset isn’t built in isolation, and why learning to love your own evolution is the ultimate win.Whether you’re rebuilding after sport, chasing consistency in recovery, or just trying to reconnect with what lights you up, this episode reminds you that joy is not the reward—it’s the fuel.You’ll Learn:How to stay connected to your why when motivation fadesThe difference between loving the work and loving the resultWhy growth in sobriety mirrors the evolution of great athletesHow community and curiosity keep passion aliveWhy joy is a practice, not a finish lineKey Quote:“If you want to run fast, run alone. If you want to run far, run with others.”

In this episode of The Clean Play Podcast, Anne and Chris dive into the parallels between physical rehab and emotional recovery — and how both demand one thing athletes often avoid: rest.After years of pushing through pain and “playing hurt,” Anne shares what it’s been like to return to physical therapy for the first time in four summers and what it’s teaching her about slowing down. From a torn MCL to a broken foot, to the mental grind of rest, she unpacks how the athlete’s mindset of “no pain, no gain” can get in the way of real healing — in sport and in sobriety.Chris draws on his years of counseling experience to connect the dots between rehab and recovery: why rushing the healing process backfires, how ego shows up when we can’t perform, and why our worth isn’t defined by what we produce. Together, they explore how rest isn’t weakness — it’s a skill.You’ll Learn:Why slowing down is one of the hardest — and most important — parts of recoveryHow to separate identity from performance as an athlete or sober personThe danger of “speed-running” healing and how to build real endurance insteadWhy deep work requires deep restHow to find purpose even when you’re sidelinedWhether you’re healing from an injury, in early sobriety, or learning to redefine what “grind” means, this conversation is a reminder that slowing down isn’t falling behind — it’s how you come back stronger.

In this episode of The Clean Play Podcast, Anne and Chris dive into one of the biggest conversations in sports right now — the WNBA, Caitlin Clark, and the complex emotions rising around competition, race, and respect.From “welcome to the league” moments to the reality of physical play and media narratives, they unpack how women athletes are often stripped of their humanity when the story gets sensationalized. Anne shares her perspective as a former college basketball player and coach — and as a Black woman who’s spent years in male-dominated spaces — while Chris reflects on how feelings of being overlooked show up not only in sports, but also in sobriety and life.The conversation widens into something bigger: what it means to be seen, how to navigate being “othered,” and why finding spaces that value authenticity — whether in the gym, in recovery, or at a place like Sans Bar — matters more than ever.This isn’t just about basketball. It’s about belonging, nuance, and letting people — especially women — just play the game.In This Episode, You’ll Learn:Why the Caitlin Clark spotlight reveals deeper issues in sports cultureHow race, gender, and media shape narratives around women athletesWhat “welcome to the league” moments look like — in sport and sobrietyHow feelings of being overlooked connect athletes and sober individualsWhy safe, inclusive spaces like Sans Bar are essential for belonging and healingKey Quotes:“If we’re going to validate women as athletes, we have to let them be athletes.”“Sobriety taught me to live in the gray — to hold nuance and truth at the same time.”“Being overlooked hurts. But finding spaces where you’re seen? That’s freedom.”

In this episode of The Clean Play Podcast, Anne and Chris get real about one of the most underrated skills in both sport and sobriety: consistency.They explore how showing up—especially when you don’t feel like it—builds the foundation for lasting change. From 4:30 a.m. basketball runs to sober routines that become second nature, the conversation breaks down how to keep moving even when motivation fades.Anne and Chris unpack the difference between discipline and consistency, why feelings aren’t facts, and how love—whether for the game, for yourself, or for your community—fuels longevity in any pursuit. They also explore how consistency shows up far beyond sport: in relationships, work, and self-trust.Whether you’re rebuilding after sport, navigating early sobriety, or just trying to stay steady through life’s ups and downs—this episode reminds you that real progress isn’t flashy. It’s built one rep, one day, one promise at a time.In This Episode, You’ll Learn:Why consistency matters more than motivationHow to separate feelings from facts in tough momentsThe difference between discipline and self-punishmentHow consistent habits translate across sport, sobriety, and relationshipsWhy love—not willpower—is the real driver of consistency

In this episode of The Clean Play Podcast, Anne and Chris dive into what it really means to heal—mentally, physically, and emotionally—after life in sport. Building on last week’s heavy conversation, they explore how athletes can seek support and build resources that truly serve their recovery and growth.From lifting and running as medicine to finding community and compassion in therapy, Anne and Chris unpack the parallels between athletic training and mental health. They share real stories—from NBA star DeMar DeRozan’s “Dinners with DeMar” project to ESPN’s Alive: The Drew Robinson Story—that reveal how grace, vulnerability, and connection keep us in the game long after the scoreboard stops.If you’ve ever felt lost, burnt out, or unsure how to move forward after sport—or if you’re navigating sobriety and looking for tools to support your next season—this conversation is for you.In This Episode, You’ll Learn:Why grace is the foundation of healing and mental resilienceHow movement—running, lifting, stretching—can be medicine for the mindThe connection between therapy and “film study” for athletesHow sports mirror life: teamwork, recovery, and honoring those who shaped usReal stories of athletes turning pain into purposeResources Mentioned:Book: Try Softer by Andi KolberSeries: Dinners with DeMar (YouTube)Documentary: Alive: The Drew Robinson Story (ESPN E60)Film Reference: Remember the TitansCommunity: Sans Bar Academy Awards — celebrating leaders in the alcohol-free space

In this deeply personal episode of The Clean Play Podcast, Chris and Anne discuss the recent, untimely passing of a professional golfer, reflecting on the profound impact it has had on them and the sports community. They candidly share their own experiences with mental health issues and crises, including their struggles with self-harm.Trigger Warning: This episode contains discussions about mental health and self-harm that may be triggering for some listeners.Chris and Anne delve into how sports have been a critical tool in managing and navigating mental health challenges. They also provide valuable insights on how to support others who are facing mental health issues and offer hope to those who may be going through a rough time.Remember: You are not alone. If you or someone you know is struggling with mental health, please contact a mental health professional and call 988 for support.

You don’t win championships—or stay sober—by going it alone. The same way a team builds trust, accountability, and momentum on the court or field, you need the right people in your corner to navigate life after sport and build an alcohol-free lifestyle that actually lasts.In this episode, Chris and I dive into why sobriety is a team sport. We break down the importance of finding your support squad, letting go of teammates who no longer align with your growth, and building connections that push you forward instead of pulling you back. Whether you’re a former athlete navigating an identity shift or simply sober curious, this conversation will help you see why connection is the ultimate competitive advantage.What You’ll Learn in This Episode: • Why sobriety and life after sport both require a strong support team • How to identify the “right teammates” who align with your goals • The trap of trying to do recovery or identity work alone • What sports can teach us about accountability in sobriety • How to rebuild connection and belonging without alcoholPress play to learn how to find your squad, fuel your growth, and thrive alcohol-free.

Athletes are taught to push through pain, keep grinding, and find identity in the game. But what happens when the game is over—and alcohol takes its place? If you’ve ever wondered who you are without sports or questioned how drinking fits into your story, this episode will hit home.In this conversation, Chris shares his journey from growing up in a sports family to navigating life after sport, where alcohol became both a mask and a crutch. He opens up about finding belonging outside the locker room, why sobriety became his “third space,” and how the lessons of resilience and consistency from athletics still drive him today. This isn’t just about quitting alcohol—it’s about reclaiming identity and building a stronger sense of self.What You’ll Learn in This Episode: • How sports culture normalizes drinking and shapes identity • Why athletes often feel lost once the game ends • The role of community and connection in staying alcohol-free • How to transfer discipline from sports into sober living • Practical lessons for navigating identity shifts after sport

You can train for the game, grind through practice, and play through pain—but what happens when the opponent is alcohol? For so many athletes, drinking is woven into the culture: win or lose, you drink. In this episode, I share my story of breaking free from that cycle and discovering who I am in life after sport.I open up about growing up in Wisconsin where alcohol was everywhere, chasing a basketball career into college and coaching, and how that lifestyle only pulled me deeper into drinking. What started as “normal” eventually turned into tequila at 7 a.m. just to get through work. But with therapy, reflection, and the mindset I built as an athlete, I found a way forward as an alcohol-free athlete. If you’ve ever wondered who you are beyond sport—or what life could look like without drinking—you’ll hear pieces of yourself in this story.What You’ll Learn in This Episode: • Why alcohol is so normalized in sports culture and how it shows up in athletes’ lives • The hidden pressures coaches face that fuel drinking habits • How COVID and personal loss pushed me to confront my relationship with alcohol • The role therapy and sober curiosity played in my turning point • How sports discipline gave me the tools to navigate life after sport without alcoholPress play to hear what it really takes to shift your identity, rebuild strength, and choose a different path.

You love the game, but wonder what life looks like when you stop drinking. Can you still tailgate, hoop, or sit through a football Saturday without a beer in hand? This episode is for every athlete—past or present—navigating who they are without alcohol.In the very first episode of Clean Play Podcast, Anne Skriba (former college basketball player and coach, 18 months alcohol-free) and Chris Marshall (17 years sober, founder of Sands Bar) break down how sport and sobriety overlap. From handling identity shifts after sport to showing up alcohol-free in stadium culture, they unpack what it really means to “play clean when life plays dirty.”What You’ll Learn in This Episode: • How sports mindset translates into staying strong as an alcohol-free athlete • What it looks like to tailgate, watch games, and re-engage with sports without drinking • Why identity shifts after sport and after alcohol often mirror each other • Lessons from Michael Jordan’s “Jordan Rules” and how they apply to sobriety • The power of redefining success beyond wins, losses, or drinking cultureHit play now to hear how to build strength, identity, and freedom in life after sport—without picking up a drink.