Radical Sacred

Fabulous time today visiting with authors Adrienne Gibson and Scot McKnight on their new book Traumatized Church: What Paul's Relationship with the Corinthian Church Teaches Us About Helping Those Who are Hurting. Adrienne brings the perspective of a licensed therapist and Scot the knowledge of a New Testament scholar and together they have written a really hopeful and informative book on trauma, the church, Paul and the Corinthians, and on individual and collective healing. A must listen for anyone working in the church or who loves the church! Show Notes:Paul and Thecla from 2nd centuryTraumatized ChurchValor Counseling - Adrienne’s Practice in Mesa, Arizona Scot Mcknight on SubstackScot’s booksKey TopicsTrauma in the church and its impactPaul's vulnerability and trauma as a leaderTrauma-informed and trauma-sensitive church practicesChapters00:00 The Peace of Wild Things02:06 Introducing the Authors and Their Journey09:31 Understanding Trauma11:47 The Church as a Traumatic Space15:45 Becoming Trauma-Informed19:16 Transforming Pain: Insights from Paul and the Corinthians27:57 Understanding Paul's Humanity30:46 The Impact of Trauma on Leadership35:47 The Role of Pastors in Modern Churches41:34 Breaking the Cycle of Harm in Churches45:25 The Importance of Trauma Awareness in Ministry

Today on the pod sisters, co-authors, and co-founders of Wild Church Network and The Center for Wild Spirituality Valerie Luna Serrels and Victoria Loorz join us in sacred conversation. In this lovely conversation we visit about unlearning patriarchal ways of being, the importance of deep noticing, the reemergence of reciprocal relationships with the human and more than human world, and the mycelial network that connects us all. This is such an important and expansive conversation for the wild times we find ourselves in! Show Notes:Margaret Wheatley - Using Emergence to Take Social Innovation to ScaleDean Radin, PhD - IONSThe AI Doc: Or How I Became an Apocaloptimist The Great AI Unraveling: Tristan Harris on Sounds of SANDThe Holy Wild PodcastWild Church NetworkWild Church OnlineWhy I Should Hike Every Day No Matter What by Rosemerry Wahtola TrommerKey TopicsThe roots and growth of the Center for Wild Spirituality and Wild Church NetworkThe paradigm shift towards interconnectedness and emergence in spiritualityThe biomimicry and feminist principles guiding wild church structuresThe role of love, love as awareness, and sacred reciprocity in transformationScience and spirituality: understanding the impact of consciousness on the physical worldThe importance of community, unlearning, and vulnerability in spiritual evolutionChapters00:00 The Power of Nature and Freedom03:49 Introduction to the Wild Church Network06:54 Roots of the Center for Wild Spirituality09:42 Emergence and Community Building12:32 Biomimicry and Networking15:27 The Role of Feminine Leadership18:37 The Importance of Listening and Awareness21:25 Love and Change in the World24:11 Worldview Shift and Sacred Reciprocity27:24 Personal Journeys of Undoing30:06 The Journey of Trust and Passion36:42 Navigating Personal Struggles and Community Support39:07 The Journey of Acceptance and Grief43:45 Understanding Burnout and Resilience47:28 The Sacredness of Life's Challenges50:29 Awareness and Renewal in the Face of Grief54:51 Emerging Futures and the Balance of Hope and Grief58:47 Choosing Love Amidst Uncertainty

We were so honored to speak with the author of Everything is a Story Kaitlin Curtice! Kaitlin is a an award-winning author, poet-storyteller, public speaker, and enrolled citizen of the Potawatomi nation. Today she walks us through the importance of the stories we tell ourselves, rewriting the stories we’ve been told that we’ve outgrown, and telling new stories about community and connection to ourselves, to the land, and to one another. Join us as we dive deep this week into stories, imagination, and hope amidst collapse. Show Notes:Substack - Liminality JournalEverything is a StoryKaitlin’s InstagramDon’t Bother the Earth Spirit by: Joy HarjoTakeawaysStories are time capsules that evolve with us, reflecting our growth.Grief is a sacred space that, when embraced, can lead to profound healing.Imagination is a vital tool for envisioning a better world and living beyond our limitations.Connecting with ancestors and the earth provides guidance and strength.Healing stories require patience, presence, and a willingness to face discomfort.Chapters00:00 The Power of Storytelling04:02 Childhood Narratives and Personal Growth12:20 Healing Through Reflection and Connection17:46 Catalysts for Change and Presence23:51 Collective Stories and Community Healing27:55 Healing Through Grief and Community31:18 The Role of Imagination in Writing36:07 Wisdom of Midlife Transitions41:47 Navigating Edges: Pleasure, Risk, and Pain47:35 Fear and Failure as Invitations50:27 Claiming Words as Medicine

Conservation ecologist and writer Dr. Andrea Adams joins us on the pod today! We chat about nature, spirituality, finding new pathways as life shifts in unexpected ways, and hope that's rooted in action during these uncertain times. Andrea brings depth, honesty, and reminders of nature's reciprocity and endless invitations in our conversation and through her lovely Substack Hopecology. Show notes:Dr. Andrea Adams Website Hopecology Christ the Yogi: A Hindu Reflection on the Gospel of John How Dark the Beginning by Maggie Smith Key TopicsThe role of hope in ecological and personal resilienceThe intersection of science, spirituality, and indigenous knowledgeTransformative experiences and personal growth after traumaThe importance of doubt and humility in scientific practicePractical actions for hope and care in ecologyChapters00:00 The Dark and the Light: A Poetic Introduction02:47 Introducing Dr. Andrea Adams: A Journey of Hope and Ecology06:43 The Birth of Hopecology: From Trauma to Transformation10:25 Spirituality and Personal Evolution: A Complex Relationship18:37 Finding Hope Amidst Environmental Collapse24:19 Transformation Through Adversity: Embracing the Roar34:54 Embracing Your Strange Path36:00 Navigating the Edges of Comfort38:39 The Nature of Science and Intellectual Humility46:28 Reciprocity Between Science and Spirituality54:10 Hope as Action in Ecology01:01:32 Learning from Nature: Biomimicry and Reciprocity

Today is Radical Sacred’s 100th Episode! Hard to believe we’ve spent 100 hours conversing with artists, theologians, poets, authors, naturalists and more over the past 2.5 years. Each conversation has been a joy and has served as an invitation to a deeper knowing of self and the world around us. Friend of the pod Melissa Fritchle who is a Holistic Psychotherapist and Spiritual Counselor, a Wild guide with Center for Wild Spirituality and co-founder of Intimate with the Moon and Soil and the author of The Conscious Sexual Self Workbook and the substack Soul Entwined with Earth, interviews us about all the lovely inner workings of Radical Sacred. We loved talking with her about intimacy, our hopes, our roots, and more in this special episode. Thank you for listening to us, for journeying with us, and for your support! There is no Radical Sacred without our community of listeners and friends and we are grateful for you! Show NotesRadical Sacred Substack Radical Sacred Website Radical Sacred on YoutubeMelissa Fritchle’s WebsiteMelissa’s Substack - Soul Entwined with Earth Intimate with the Moon and Soil - Melissa’s new venture!On Friendship by Khalil GibranKey TopicsThe origin of the podcast and its focus on deep, rooted conversationsThe importance of vulnerability and authenticity in spiritual spacesThe role of nature and interconnectedness in personal growthChapters00:00 The Essence of Friendship02:31 Celebrating 100 Episodes05:36 The Journey of Radical Sacred13:03 The Dynamics of Friendship17:02 Vulnerability in Conversations30:47 Transformative Beliefs and Worldviews35:12 The Journey of Transformation35:59 Attention and Intention in Pilgrimage37:34 Memorable Conversations and Surprising Insights39:07 The Impact of Connections and Community40:59 Navigating Change and Personal Growth42:44 The Role of Community in Times of Crisis44:18 Interconnectedness and Collective Hope47:34 Radical Sacred: Embracing Change53:19 Looking Ahead: Future Conversations and Themes

Today we are blessed to chat with Sister Lynne Smith, Amy Alstad, Everline Jeruto, and Mary David Walgenbach of Holy Wisdom Monastery of Madison, Wisconsin. Holy Wisdom is an Ecumenical Benedictine Community that is known for their land restoration, love of the earth, and love of all people. We chat about restoration of land, reciprocity in the natural world, deep connections, and welcoming humans and the more than human world as if they were Christ. We were so inspired by the work of Holy Wisdom and know you will be too!Show Notes:Holy Wisdom MonasteryFacebookInstagramYouTubeMidday Prayer StreamRegal Fritillary Butterfly How Would You Live Then by: Mary OliverKey TopicsEcumenical Benedictine communityLand restoration and prairie plantingEcological listening and biomimicryCommunity, justice, and hospitalityRenewable energy and net zero goalsChapters01:00 The Beauty of Nature and Reflection02:01 Introduction to Holy Wisdom Monastery05:25 The Heartbeat of Holy Wisdom Monastery13:04 Listening to the Land19:09 Towards a Sustainable Future21:02 Funding and Community Engagement22:51 Welcoming All: A Benedictine Approach26:19 Restoration and Ecological Hospitality33:05 Modeling Community and Reciprocity40:39 Cultural Exchange and Learning43:40 Finding Joy in Nature47:58 Retreats: A Space for Reflection51:28 Hopes for the Future

Rev. Dr. Shively Smith joins us on the pod today! Shively is a professor, author, speaker, lover of water, mom, and avid gamer who visits with us about Howard Thurman, the new testament, guides, ancestors, listening to the small voice within and much more. Join us as we learn to navigate all that is before us and walk that strange path that leads us to our truest selves. Show Notes:Fisk UniversityHoward Thurman - Meditations of the HeartGreg Ellison - Anchors in the Spirit and Fearless DialoguesHoward Thurman - With Head and HeartRenita J. Weems - Just a Sister Away: A Womanist Vision of Women’s Relationships in the BibleShively Smith - Strangers to Family: Diaspora and 1 Peter’s Invention of God’s HouseholdUnion Combined Parish - Boston, MAShively Smith - Reading Howard Thurman: His Practice of Interpretation Through Womanist EyesImagesofinterpreation.com shivelysmith.com Key TopicsWater as a spiritual practice and source of clarityHoward Thurman's influence on faith and justiceThe role of biblical interpretation in social justiceThe significance of the unnamed in biblical storiesCourage and openness in encountering guides and strangersChapters00:00 The Power of Grief and Nature's Call03:01 Introducing Shively Smith: Scholar and Gamer08:11 The Significance of Water in Spirituality11:37 Howard Thurman: A Personal Connection15:14 Thurman's Integration of Inner and Outer Life19:42 The Journey of a Biblical Scholar25:48 The Role of Mentorship and Ancestral Guidance32:12 Courage in Divided Times34:22 The Journey to New Testament Scholarship38:52 Engaging with First Peter41:48 Interpreting Biblical Texts Through a Modern Lens48:15 From Mercy to Justice55:04 The Art of Interpretation and Awakening

Today we are joined by David Dault as we dive into his new book The Accessorized Bible. David is an author, professor at Loyola University, award-winning screenwriter, media producer, consultant, podcaster and radio host. We chat about his book which includes beautiful passages on James Baldwin, loving with intention, bringing our own moral lens to the bible, and more! This is a fascinating and wide-ranging conversation. We are grateful for David and his invitation to look more in depth: at our own souls, at the ways we interpret the bible, and at the ways we connect to others.  Show Notes:Substack - David Dault is writing thingsThe Accessorized Bible The Francis Effect PodcastThings Not Seen: Conversations About Culture and FaithDavid at Loyola University Karl Rahner banana essay - Theology of FreedomThe Good PlaceHannah Arendt - On ViolenceAn Octopus has Three Whole Hearts by: Joy Sullivan Key TopicsThe metaphor of the Bible as an accessory versus a rulebookThe importance of moral seriousness and slow reflectionThe concept of takun olam (repairing the world)The role of love and responsiveness in faith and relationshipsThe impact of technology on empathy and storytellingChapters01:00 The Heart of an Octopus: A Poetic Introduction02:01 David Dalt: A Multifaceted Journey03:00 The Evolution of a Career: From Music to Academia05:59 Things Not Seen: Conversations on Culture and Faith10:44 Navigating Faith in a Polarized World14:45 The Bible: A Tool for Good or Evil?20:10 The Accessorized Bible: Purpose and Timing26:17 Moral Seriousness: Slowing Down to Reflect30:52 Technology and Its Ethical Implications32:02 Exploring Technology and Power Dynamics34:32 The Role of Narrative in Repairing the World37:43 The Impact of Technology on Empathy38:56 Transcending Technique in Art and Life43:22 The Bible: A Source of Questions and Insights47:14 Influences and Ancestry in Thought51:49 Catastrophic Love and Institutional Challenges59:30 The Intention to Love in Relationships

Rev. Jim Keat of The Riverside Church joins us this week to talk about creating intimate spaces and reciprocal relationships online. Jim is a runner, digital creator and pastor who views the internet as a vast opportunity for connection, care, and transformation. This conversation is a lovely reminder of the power of community on site or online. Show Notes:Riverside Churchjimkeat.comThe Convergence Network @revjimrunsBible in a MinuteJim’s SubstackImagination by Assata Shakur Key TopicsEmbodiment in digital spacesCreating intimacy onlineNavigating online critique and negativityEthics of technology in faith communitiesBuilding reciprocal relationships in digital spacesChapters00:00 The Power of Belief and Affirmation02:32 Introducing Jim Keat: Digital Ministry Innovator04:05 Navigating Digital Spaces in Ministry05:42 Redefining Digital vs. Physical Experiences10:12 Creating Intimate Online Spaces for Ministry12:03 Fostering Connection in Digital Gatherings15:12 Mindfulness and Running: A Personal Journey18:05 Nature's Lessons for Digital Engagement20:07 Noticing the Present: A Mindful Approach24:03 Inhabiting Spaces: The Contrast of City and Small Town26:28 Navigating Progressive Faith in Small Towns30:03 Creating a Liberative Church Experience31:33 Handling Online Critiques and Community Engagement35:07 The Role of Technology in Building Relationships38:33 Experiencing Reciprocity in Digital Spaces43:17 Ethics of Technology and Digital Ministry49:12 Addressing Global Issues and Personal Heartbreak

We had the loveliest of conversations with writer, journalist, and rhetorician, Christine Tracy on her new book Just Trust Life: A Journey with Teilhard de Chardin. Her book and our conversation are about Teilhard, but are both also deeply rooted in how he became a guide and a north star for Christine as she goes on a transcendent journey to find her truest self. What can we learn by letting go of fear and shame and learning to just trust life? We hope Teilhard and Christine inspire you to look within, to trust self, and to transcend. All you need is already within you. Show Notes:Christine's WebsiteJust Trust Life: A Journey with Teilhard de Chardin by: Christine Tracy Teilhard Project ScholarsThe Newsphere by: Christine TracySummer by Frank Weston BensonEmergency Family Assistance Association in Boulder Wilding by Rosemerry Wahtola TrommerQuestions to consider:How can embracing your inner wildness lead to a more authentic and fulfilling life? Reflect on moments when you felt most connected to your truest self and consider how you can incorporate more of these experiences into your daily life.In what ways can pain serve as a catalyst for personal growth and spiritual awakening?How does practicing love as a cosmic energy influence your interactions with others and the world around you? Practices to try:Dedicate time each week to engage with nature or activities that allow you to express your primal energy. This could be through hiking, dancing, or simply spending time withnature.When experiencing emotional or physical pain, take a moment to journal or meditate on what this pain is teaching you about your true nature. Use this practice to transform suffering into a lesson of resilience and love.Incorporate intentional acts of love into your daily routine. This could be as simple as smiling at a stranger, expressing gratitude, or sending positive energy to someone in need.Chapters00:00 Embracing the Wilderness Within02:51 The Journey with Teilhard06:40 Finding Authenticity and Being Seen12:21 Transcendence and Inner Connection18:01 The Noosphere and Collective Evolution23:38 Pain as a Teacher and Personal Power26:54 The Power of Presence and Love27:38 Art as a Catalyst for Connection30:19 Exploring the Energy of Love33:28 Reconnecting with the Self36:40 The Role of Ancestors in Our Journey39:23 Embracing Challenges and Enemies42:35 Envisioning a Better World50:32 Nature's Healing Influence52:56 The Wisdom of Trees and Water Blessings57:12 NEWCHAPTER

We are thrilled to speak with Lisa Sharon Harper, founder of Freedom Road, podcaster, public theologian, author, including the books Fortune: How Race Broke My Family And The World—And How To Repair It All, and The Very Good Gospel: How Everything Wrong Can be Made Right. In this wide ranging conversation Lisa shares with us her wisdom and her witness as we talk about the crises we face in our country and in the church and the hopes that can be found in knowing our history, love, community, and connection. Show Notes:Freedom RoadThe Truth Is - Lisa’s SubstackFortune: How Race Broke My Family and The World-And How to Repair It AllThe Very Good Gospel: How Everything Wrong Can Be Made Rightbell hooksToni Morrison - BelovedChapters00:00 The Essence of Identity and Respect01:55 Introducing Lisa Sharon Harper02:52 Journey Towards Shalom05:51 Understanding Shalom: More Than Just Peace19:30 Shalom Between Genders: A Deeper Exploration26:07 The Hebrew Concept of Perfection vs. Western Understanding35:59 The Practice of Love in Society39:42 Self-Love as a Foundation for Justice43:25 The Power of Love vs. Anger47:17 Decolonizing Faith and Ecclesiology59:27 Building Communities of Faith01:05:33 A Call to Action for Faith Leaders

This week we are joined by poet Rosemary Wahtola Trommer as she shares her journey of writing poetry daily, the role of nature in her work, and how grief has shaped her understanding of beauty and vulnerability. We discuss the integration of personal loss with the creative process, the importance of collaboration, and the power of poetry to express the inexpressible. Rosemary emphasizes the significance of being present in the moment and how poetry serves as a bridge to connect with our emotions and the world around us. Phil also makes his (tear filled) poetry debut.Show NotesRosemerry's WebsiteRosemerry's SubstackRosemerry's Albums: Dark Praise and Risking LoveRitual Appevermore.org Chapters00:00 The Power of Poetry and Vulnerability04:05 The Journey of Daily Writing13:06 Nature as Inspiration16:41 Integrating Beauty and Reality20:56 Celebrating Women Artists28:04 Collaboration and Creativity33:58 Finding Comfort in Poetry36:40 The Transformative Nature of Loss36:43 Embracing Grief as a Teacher44:58 The Intersection of Grief and Praise51:01 The Power of Poetry in Grief58:35 The Role of Art and Nature in Healing01:03:25 Sharing and Celebrating Creative Expressions01:06:58 NEWCHAPTER

We had a truly life giving conversation with Dr. Liza Rankow on her book Soul Medicine for a Fractured World: Healing, Justice, and the Path of Wholeness! Liza’s book is a gorgeous read and speaks on the importance of deep soul healing, both/and thinking, community care,the gifts that can come from our struggles, awe, and having our hearts broken open. We loved this chat and will be thinking about it for a long time to come! Show Notes:Soul Medicine for a Fractured World: Healing, Justice, and the Path of WholenessLiza Rankow Website Liza’s SubstackNow is the Time by Hafiz Chapters00:00 Invitation to lenten practice02:37 Introducing Dr. Liza Rankow04:02 Navigating Wilderness Times07:38 Understanding Nopantla: The In-Between Space10:35 The Duality of Tomb and Womb14:23 Mysticism and Social Activism20:19 The Gift of Pain and Vulnerability24:26 Finding Meaning in Suffering28:41 Rituals of Initiation and Meaning-Making35:16 Rites of Passage and Cultural Ordeals37:37 Integrating Trauma and Rituals39:52 The Power of Awe and Brokenness45:22 Suffering as a Spiritual Discipline48:15 The Evolving Relationship with Ancestors52:51 The Science and Significance of Awe01:01:18 Prayer Excerpted from A Guide to the Bodhisattva's Way of Life

We were so fortunate to talk to David Hayward, known for his work under the moniker the Naked Pastor, in this spacious and honest episode about art, deconstruction, feminine wisdom, nature, and more. David shares with us his spiritual journey that is continually unfolding. His gentle storytelling invited us to look deeply at our spirituality, to not be afraid to live the questions when they come up, and to begin to move towards whatever is stirring within our hearts. There is no wrong way to become your fullest self, and the world deeply needs people who have come alive. This chat opened up some things for us to sit with, we hope it does the same for you. Show NotesThe Naked Pastor Website Naked Pastor on InstagramThe Liberation of Sophia Without a Vision my People Prosper-Till Doubt Do Us Part The Lasting Supper - Online Community Nadya Tolokonnikova from Pussy Riot ArtLife Together by Dietrich BonhoefferChapters00:00 The National Anthem and Its Hidden Truths02:56 Introducing David Hayward: The Naked Pastor05:59 The Naked Truth: Spiritual Abuse and Silence11:39 The Journey of Deconstruction Begins14:47 Reconstruction: Integrating the Past19:05 Sophia: The Feminine Wisdom Within25:56 Masculinity and the Inner Feminine33:03 Jesus and Feminine Wisdom in the Church39:19 Navigating Marriage Through Deconstruction42:51 The Glue of Relationships: Love Beyond Beliefs45:43 Navigating Deconstruction in Relationships46:18 Loneliness and Community Rebuilding49:38 Finding New Connections Outside Faith Communities51:34 Art as Resistance and Inspiration56:48 Nature's Role in Inspiration and Connection01:00:28 The Power of Awe and Love01:10:27 The Naked Pastor's Journey and Future Directions01:12:35 NEWCHAPTER

We had a lovely time chatting with Wes Ellis about his book Abiding in Amen: Prayer for a Secular Age! Wes is a pastor, professor, and author who decided to look at prayer through a gentle, nonjudgmental, and playful lens. We chat about abiding in prayer, silence, what resonates deeply within us, and approaching prayer in a hopeful, open hearted way. We hope that this episode gives you the space you need to check out prayer in new and innovative ways! May your prayers flow through you freely, may they reach the depths of your heart and spirit,  and may your prayers lead you to act. Show Notes:Abiding in AmenWes Ellis Website The Uncontrollability of the World by Hartmut Rosa God in Creation by Jurgen MoltmannTheology of Play by Jurgen MoltmannChapters00:00 Introduction to Prayer and Its Significance05:11 Exploring the Challenges of Prayer in a Secular Age10:25 Defining Prayer: A Two-Way Communication13:10 Prayer as Technology: A Cautionary Perspective18:33 Resonance in Prayer Practices21:11 The Concept of Disposable Prayer24:40 The Importance of Play in Spiritual Life27:09 The Importance of Play and Joy in Troubling Times27:50 Prayer as Community Action30:08 Suffering with the World: A New Perspective33:15 The Role of the Church in Transformation35:19 Being Ready: The Nature of Prayer38:27 Everything as Prayer: A New Understanding44:58 Breath Prayer and the Desert Fathers51:04 Finding Beauty Amidst Darkness52:03 Invitation to Simple Prayer53:48 NEWCHAPTER

We had the loveliest of chats with Seryn founding members Nathan James Allen and Trenton Wheeler! We talk creativity, flow, letting our questions guide us, their beginnings as a band in Denton, TX, their pause from creating music together, the pathway back to one another, and their newest songs. Join us for this winding, interesting, music and hope filled conversation. Fun fact: our new intro and outro music is a gorgeous tune called Beach Song by Seryn. This song means a lot to us and we hope that you enjoy it as well!Show Notes:Seryn Seryn on InstagramYoutubePlaying March 21 - Thinline Filmfest - Denton, TXTranscendental Reunion - Mary Chapin CarpenterA Chance to Cut is a Chance to Cure - MatmosApp - Bednight Sleep MusicThe Birds Wrote Me a Poem by: Andrea GibsonChapters00:00 The Poetic Prelude04:04 Introducing Seryn: Origins and Name07:06 The Hiatus: Conflict and Growth11:40 Reunion and Healing Through Music19:45 Serendipitous Connections and Band Dynamics25:30 Nature's Influence on Music30:45 The Creative Process Behind 'River Song'32:31 The Significance of 'Beach Song'43:14 Faith and Doubt in Our Music55:26 The Importance of Questioning Beliefs57:00 Artists as Voices of the Oppressed57:43 Finding Inspiration in Turbulent Times01:00:24 The Role of Family in Creativity01:03:31 Navigating Anxiety and Creativity01:09:50 The Urgency of Time and Connection01:19:21 NEWCHAPTER

Rev. Dr. Grace Ji-Sun Kim joins us today to talk about her book Earthbound: God at the Intersection of Climate and Justice. In Earthbound, Grace instills a sense of urgency around taking care of our earth and each other. She calls us to be the image of God and to approach the holy work of reciprocity in a spirit of love, creativity, aliveness, forgiveness, and beauty. Grace’s work empowers, invites, and ignites us into action as we work together to build a future that is hopeful for all beings. We are grateful for Grace, her witness, and her wisdom. Show Notes:Earthbound - BookMaking Peace with the Earth - BookPlanetary Solidarity - BookChi and the Transformative Spirit of Love - BookIntersectional Theology - BookWhen God Became White - BookHope in Disarray - BookGrace Ji-Sun Kim SubstackGrace on InstagramMadang Podcast Chapters00:00 Opening Poem and Introduction01:55 Introducing Grace Ji-Sun Kim02:35 The Need for Earthbound05:16 The White Male God Concept10:38 Theological Implications of Climate Justice15:41 Dualism in Evangelical Theology19:49 Experiential Theology and Creation Care25:20 A Theology of Verbs29:44 Finding Hope in Action

We loved getting the opportunity to speak with Patty Krawec, author of Becoming Kin and Bad Indians Book Club, speaker, activist, and co-founder of the Nii'kinaaganaa Foundation. Patty talks to us about the importance of remembering our history honestly so that we can reimagine a future that is reciprocal for all people and for the land. Patty’s work is invitational and reminds us that we are all relatives. Show Notes:Patty KrawecBecoming Kinpayyourrent.caTaté Walker poem - Land BackOnce the World was Perfect by Joy HarjoChapters00:00 The Perfect World and Its Downfall02:21 Introducing Patti Krowick: Activism and Literature05:38 Unforgetting the Past: A Path to Reimagining the Future10:31 The Journey of Returning to Oneself18:46 The Eighth Fire: Collective Responsibility and Future Visions25:31 Listening to the Land: Environmental and Spiritual Connections30:16 The Seventh and Eighth Fires: Prophecies and Responsibilities34:42 Understanding Historical Contexts35:57 The Concept of Displacement and Community39:32 Roots and Responsibilities43:31 Activism and Hope46:30 Connecting Through Knowledge and Action

How we Love a Forest is how we Love Everything with Ethan Tapper. Join us for this transformative and hopeful chat with forrester, author of How We Love a Forest, and digital storyteller Ethan Tapper!  Ethan walks us through what it looks like to love and give your life over to whatever is calling to you from the depths of your heart. We visit about his 175 acres called Bear Island and the restorative and sometimes heartbreaking work it takes to love well. Ethan’s knowledge of trees, foxes, birds and wild things that roam Bear Island is delightful and invitational. Our hearts were changed by his deep commitment to the land and to the future. Show Notes:Ethan TapperHow to Love a Forest: The Bittersweet Work of Tending a Changing WorldWillow and the Storm - Children’s BookEthan’s InstagramWhat the Robin Knows by John YoungDr. Lyla JuneEO WilsonIn Blackwater Woods by: Mary OliverChapters00:00 The Essence of Nature and Loss01:25 Introducing Ethan Tapper: A Forester's Journey04:48 Bear Island: A Symbol of Hope and Responsibility09:46 Wildlife and Ecosystem Relationships15:48 Human Nature and Ecological Responsibility21:14 The Complexity of Ecosystems and Love for Nature26:52 The Unexpected Joy of Public Speaking27:17 Emerging Themes of Hope28:11 Engaging the Younger Generation29:29 The Power of Hope in Action30:15 Mythologizing Forests and Emotional Connections31:05 The Role of Emotion in Environmental Advocacy33:49 Balancing Science and Spirituality37:48 Delight in Nature's Wonders38:24 The Complexity of Life and Death48:06 Understanding Death in Ecosystems52:55 The Beauty of Forests and Their Lessons

Cheers to a New Year from Radical Sacred! This year has been a bit of a shit sandwich for us so if you’re feeling less than holly jolly this one's for you. We chat about where we are and our hopes for 2026. We choose a few words that will be our guiding light for the year to come and remember our favorite episodes from this season. Thanks for being on this journey with us! “May the nourishment of the earth be yours,may the clarity of light be yours,may the fluency of the ocean be yours, may the protection of the ancestors be yours.” - John O’DonohueShow Notes:Beannacht by: John O’DonohueTed Radio Hour - Finding Your Bliss with Krista Tippett of On Being The Case for Making Art When the World is on Fire Aime McNeeLiving the Questions by RilkeYes, That’s When by: Rosemary Wahtola TrommerChapters00:00 New Year's Reflections and Technical Challenges02:12 Personal Introductions and Life Updates09:11 Memorable Conversations and Insights from the Year14:43 Creativity, Vulnerability, and the Importance of Expression21:30 Living with Questions and Embracing Uncertainty26:14 Navigating Personal Challenges and Growth28:50 Navigating New Year's Emotions30:31 Leaving Behind and Embracing for the New Year33:37 Personal Reflections on Avoidance and Authenticity37:22 Words of Intention for 202640:50 Reciprocity and Creativity in Relationships44:25 Words for 2026: Unfold, Return, and Holistic50:16 Expansion and Blooming into the New Year

On this special Christmas Eve episode we get to chat with poet, theologian, and host of Poetry Unbound Pádraig Ó Tuama! Pádraig talks with us about reciprocity in all its forms, chaos, cooperation and conflict resolution, doing what is yours to do and more! We are so thankful for Pádraig, his work and his wise words, for all of you listening, and for the hope we find in poetry, art, music, nature, and creation in these uncertain times. May your Christmas be filled with love and joy and may you follow your imagination and explore all that is within you and all that calls to you. Show Notes:The Kingdom of Ordinary Time conflictintelligence.orgSubstack - Poetry Unbound Poetry Unbound Podcast In Between the Sun and MoonCircle Chapters00:00 The Power of Poetry and Personal Connection03:38 Exploring Reciprocity in Relationships05:03 Nature as Inspiration in Poetry09:55 Understanding Chaos and Its Role in Life14:40 The Intersection of Poetry and Chaos15:55 The Writing Process and Rituals22:03 Conflict Resolution and the Role of Community30:19 The Pedagogy of Conflict33:05 Art as a Response to Crisis40:21 Understanding Thin Spaces46:42 Celtic Spirituality and Modern Contexts48:37 Finding Hope in Community50:58 The Role of Imagination in Writing

Julia Postema and Jeremiah Gibson join us today to talk about reciprocity in intimate relationships in this helpful and hopeful episode! Julia and Jeremiah are married therapists whose mission is to support relationships in reclaiming sexuality following adverse religious experiences. Their gentle approach invites us all into new ways of being and knowing, ourselves and others. We loved their kind and thoughtful approach to sex, intimacy, and learning how to listen to our bodies and our yearning. Come As You Are by Emily NagoskiCome Together by Emily NagoskiSexvangelicals PodcastWhen Religion Hurts You by Laura AndersonRelationship Coaching Business - Let’s Heal TogetherGreen Boy by Kai Cheng ThomChapters00:00 Introduction to Poetry and Themes of Connection01:03 Exploring the Wild Goose Festival and Its Impact02:43 Navigating High Control Environments and Personal Growth05:40 Defining Reciprocity in Relationships08:08 Understanding Differentiation and Interdependence11:09 The Role of Purity Culture in Sexuality13:53 The Political Nature of Sexuality and Relationships16:15 Deconstructing Shame and Reclaiming Autonomy19:05 Steps Towards Healing from Purity Culture21:42 Intuition, Yearning, and Self-Discovery24:31 The Importance of Play in Sexuality27:16 Imagination and Reconstruction of Beliefs30:24 Experimentation in Relationships and Sexuality31:25 The Impact of Nature on Intimacy and Connection34:02 Intimacy as a Pathway to Connection36:49 Practical Steps to Cultivate Intimacy39:10 Recommended Resources for Vulnerability and Reciprocity42:10 Closing Thoughts and Future Directions

Really lovely and meandering chat this week with the founder of Oikon Studios Mike Whang. Mike began Oikon Studios as a way of learning to walk in the unforced rhythms of grace.Through a gorgeous mixture of liturgy,spiritual formation, lectio divina, and music Mike invites us all to union with God, with true self, and with one another. Our attention is deeply rooted in what we’re attuned to and where our intention lies. What is calling you to divine union? Show Notes:Oikon StudiosPhygital Fellows Lectio DivinaIn the Name by Padraig O’TuamaChapters00:00 In the Name of Community and Connection02:50 Introducing Mike Wang and Oikon Studios04:31 The Evolution of Liturgy and Ministry07:20 The Importance of Liturgy in Spiritual Life11:14 Unforced Rhythms of Grace14:24 Liturgy as Practice and Reciprocity17:45 Power Dynamics in Liturgy and Ministry22:54 Moving from Scarcity to Abundance27:34 Creating Beauty in Ministry33:41 Practices of Attentiveness and Reflection35:57 God's Work Beyond the Church39:37 Advent Reflections and Ancestral Connections44:05 Legacy and Ancestral Influence48:11 Closing Thoughts and Resources

It’s hard to put this episode with Brooke Williams on his new book Encountering Dragonfly into words! The breadth and width of this conversation is vast. We talk to Brooke about dragonflies, prophetic dreams, listening to your inner knowing, animal guides, re-enchantment, imaginal ecology, the veils between worlds, and more! Grateful for this lovely book, and for Brooke’s ability to invite, enliven, and re-enchant. Show Notes:Brooke Williams WebsiteEncountering Dragonfly : Notes on the Practice of Re-enchantmentThe Earth has a Soul - Meredith Sabini Manifesto: The Mad Farmer Liberation Front - Wenell BerryFly, Dragonfly! By: Joyce SidmanW.S. MerwinChapters00:00 The Enchantment of Dragonflies06:19 Exploring Inner Worlds and Personal Truths12:25 The Intersection of Science and Spirituality18:49 Animals as Messengers and Guides26:57 Archetypes and the Symbolism of Dragonflies34:49 Imaginal Ecology and Natural History35:41 Imaginal Ecology and Relationships39:02 Consciousness and Collective Responsibility42:37 Attention: The Key to Re-enchantment47:23 Personal and Collective Re-enchantment54:03 The Power of Passion and Connection01:01:35 Facing Mortality and Purpose

We were so fortunate to meet Beth Norcross and Leah Rampy at The Wild Goose Festival! This chance encounter led us to reading their beautiful book Discovering the Spiritual Wisdom of Trees and to the lovely and deeply rooted conversation in this episode. The way Beth and Leah invite us back to nature, remind us that we are one with the trees, and embody looking to the trees as our teachers have inspired us so deeply. May we each find our love for all beings renewed and reinvigorated by these women and their gorgeous work. Show Notes:Discovering the Spiritual Wisdom of Trees Save Our SoilCenter for Spirituality in NatureCOP 30BethNorcross.comLeahRampy.comReweaving Earth and Soul - Leah on SubstackWhen I am among the Trees by: Mary Oliver Chapters00:00 The Spiritual Connection with Nature08:59 Personal Journeys and Teacher Trees18:17 The Wisdom of Trees: Literal and Metaphorical26:52 The Role of Trees in Spiritual Practices33:00 The Journey of Spiritual Practices36:04 Nurse Logs and Ancestral Connections42:40 Grounding Through Spiritual Practices48:51 Reconnecting with Nature and Spirituality57:32 A Message from the Trees

We chat all about relational flow today with eco spiritual director, soul guide, holistic psychotherapist, author, and two time Radical Sacred guest Melissa Fritchle! When we begin to build our relationships based on reciprocity and flow beautiful new pathways begin to emerge. Join us for this invitational conversation on interdependence, creativity, intimacy, and following our yearning. Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways): Melissa’s Website - Embody & ConnectMelissa’s Substack - Soul Entwined with Earth Center for Wild Spirituality - Wild WeavingsNight on the Island by: Pablo NerudaChapters00:00 The Poetic Introduction02:39 Exploring Soul Guidance03:36 Understanding Reciprocity10:27 Transcending Expectations16:15 From Scarcity to Abundance22:56 Embracing Discomfort for Growth27:26 Creativity in Discomfort31:43 Reconnecting with Yearning35:02 The Nature of Suffering and Happiness37:38 Redefining Work and Retirement39:33 The Importance of Intimacy43:12 The Role of Ceremony and Ritual55:29 Embracing Reciprocity in Relationships

Simon Fulford and Ame Mañon-Ferguson of Parrott Creek Child and Family Services chat with us about reimaging trauma healing and the expansive, gorgeous work they do for families and the 80 acres of land that surrounds their site. We were blown away by their care and intentionality with the folks they serve with and through their Cultural Ecology Project. We learn about treating all people with unconditional positive regard and about what happens when folks healing from trauma heal in an intentional community and heal with and alongside nature. Our hearts and minds were expanded by this lovely conversation.  Cool stuff we mention on this weeks episode (or meant to anyways):Parrott CreekCultural Ecology Project at Parrott CreekDonate to Parrott [email protected] them on InstagramSunrise by Joy HarjoChapters00:00 The Power of Poetry and Introduction to Parrott Creek01:25 Understanding Parrott Creek's Mission and History05:35 Cultural Ecology and Land Stewardship09:53 The Healing Power of Nature14:36 Measuring Success Beyond Metrics19:06 Unconditional Positive Regard and Trauma-Informed Care23:26 Community Engagement and Restorative Justice28:06 Finding Inspiration and Hope in Nature32:30 Supporting Indigenous Communities and Local Initiatives36:59 Closing Thoughts and Call to Action

We are thrilled to welcome author, pastor, and thinker, Kenneth McIntosh to the pod! We chat about his book Oak and Lotus and how his life has been shaped by Celtic Christianity along with Buddhism. How might our spirituality shift and change in unexpected directions if we were open to new pathways? If you’ve ever been curious about interspirituality this lovely and invitational episode is for you. Cool stuff we mention on this week’s episode (or meant to anyways):Kennethimcintosh.com Oak and Lotus Kenneth’s Substack Rumi’s GuesthouseChapters00:00 Seeing Christ in Everyday Life01:18 Introduction to Celtic Spirituality02:16 Understanding Interspirituality04:23 Kenneth's Spiritual Journey12:50 Transcending Evangelicalism16:18 Celtic and Eastern Spiritual Connections24:49 Interspirituality and Personal Growth32:38 Reconceiving Jesus: An Eastern Wisdom Teacher35:34 Understanding Taoism: Flowing with the Divine39:59 Everyday Mysticism: Trusting Intuition and Spirit41:29 Thin Places: Encounters with the Divine49:17 Reciprocity: Openness and Inter-Spirituality

Jarod K. Anderson, poet, thinker, author, and host of the podcast Cryptonaturalist joins us this week! Jarod chats with us about nature being his church from a very young age, the beauty and invitational nature of moss, writing poetry as a way of making sense of the world, and more. This conversation is not only a breath of fresh air but an invitation back to the forests that make our very breath possible. We are so excited to share with you Jarod’s lovely poems, the ways that nature can be a balm for depression and the weariness of the world, and all the wisdom shared in this gentle, thoughtful conversation. Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways): Jarod K. Anderson Website The Cryptonaturalist Podcast Jarod’s SubstackJarod’s Instagram Forsythia Poem Chapters00:00 The Beauty of Nature and Poetry02:58 The Journey of a Poet05:48 The Role of Poetry in Mental Health08:56 Influences and Inspirations in Writing11:35 Finding Peace in Nature14:35 The Importance of Presence in Nature17:07 Unexpected Encounters in Nature18:10 The Philosophy of Mushroom Hunting21:02 Nature as a Teacher23:39 Reciprocity Between Nature and Self26:56 Reconnecting with Nature30:40 The Magic of Trees and Moss34:07 Finding Thin Spaces41:11 The Nature of Love43:16 Vulnerability and Healing51:16 Creative Projects and Future Endeavors

In these wild times we earnestly believe that reconnecting with nature, self, and each other is the only route forward that will lead us into equality, equanimity, and hope. The practice of Terra Divina is a four part devotion that will lead you back to your truest you. In this episode we chat all about how to be present to self and nature, how to set aside deep judgment, and how to walk in the direction that our heart invites us. We hope that you will utilize this spiritual practice, that you will invite your family and friends into it, and that you will begin to know yourself through a different more natural lens. Journey with us into deeper knowing and expand your heart, mind, and spirit with Terra Divina. Cool stuff we mentioned this episode (or meant to anyways): Terra Divina The Treatment by Jarod K Anderson Wild Goose Festival Chapters00:00 The Healing Power of Nature02:54 Terra Divina: A Sacred Practice05:22 The Four Steps of Terra Divina10:35 Deepening Connection with Nature15:54 Embracing Discomfort and Transformation21:06 Nature as a Teacher26:09 Invitation to Self-Discovery

JD Stillwater takes us on a wild, imaginative ride in this week’s episode! JD is a Science Ambassador, author, speaker and a joy filled former science teacher who invites others into a worldview more aligned with how reality works. We visit all about embracing the flow of the natural world which is rooted in both science and spirituality and how being in the flow invites us into our own unique place in the vastness of the universe. How might it shift the current trajectory of our society if we begin to view science as not only being compatible with spirituality but as a profound source of our spirituality? Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways):JD’s websiteVideos from JD Sign up for JD’s newsletterCosmology in Concert Closing Poem - WellspringsChapters00:00 The Forsythia Metaphor: Growth Through Adversity02:31 Introducing JD Stillwater: A Science Ambassador's Journey06:57 The Intersection of Science and Spirituality11:47 Curiosity as a Guiding Principle22:43 The Gateway to Understanding: Touch and Connection29:19 The Nature of Existence: Flow and Evolution35:52 The Nature of Existence and Death38:47 Diversity and Evolution41:35 Bridging Science and Spirituality47:03 Reciprocity in Nature52:47 Interconnectedness of Life57:22 Cultural Shifts and Learning from Nature01:02:15 Closing Reflections and Future Directions

Note: This episode was recorded live at the Wild Goose Festival. The audio quality does not meet our typicaly standards, but isn't that life... a little messy and not always meeting the standard?Welcome to Season 3 of Radical Sacred! In our season opener we find ourselves having a beautiful time at The Wild Goose Festival in Harmony, North Carolina. Spending 4 days camping under the stars, listening and learning from progressive speakers from vastly different backgrounds, meeting like minded friends, leading contemplative nature walks, and seeing butterflies of all kinds feels like the perfect start to our season of reciprocity. Moving towards a system that is mutually beneficial to all beings matters not only for our survival, but we believe will lead us on a pathway toward a more equitable, nature centered, kinder world. Join us as we speak to authors, thinkers, scientists, and naturalists this season as we explore the beauty of living reciprocally. Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways): Wild Goose Festival The Serviceberry, Gathering Moss, or Braiding Sweetgrass  by: Robin Wall KimmererLiving Resistance Kaitlin B Curtice World as Lover World as Self Joanna Macy Terra DivinaChapters00:00 Welcome to Season Three of Radical Sacred03:31 Exploring the Wild Goose Festival Experience06:01 The Spirit of Inclusion and Community07:11 Introducing the Theme of Reciprocity07:11 Understanding Reciprocity15:21 The Importance of Reciprocity in Society18:17 Nature's Role in Reciprocity21:23 Personal Stories of Reciprocity24:13 Reciprocity in Human Relationships27:13 Exploring Literature on Reciprocity28:39 Radical Sacred_outro.mp3

We have a lovely, winding, Texas filled conversation with Zach Lambert of Restore, ATX. Zach is a native Austinite, father and husband, the author of Better Ways to Read the Bible as well as Co-Author (alongside Amy Lambert) of the Substack Public Theology. Zach visits with us about his pilgrimage into open hearted theology, his heart for multi-generational community, and his invitation to a more imaginative, empathetic way of being and reading scripture. This episode is dedicated to the Texas Hill Country and her people. References fromt this episode:Restore ATX Substack - Public Theology Better Ways to Read the Bible - Zach’s new book Find Zach on Socials @zachwlambert John Steinbeck quote about TexasHill Country Theme How to Help Victims of the Texas Floods Chapters00:00 The Essence of Texas: A State of Mind03:53 Introducing Zach Lambert: A Texan Perspective09:43 Navigating the Flood: Community Resilience15:34 The Journey of Faith: Personal Transformations23:35 Unraveling Beliefs: The Importance of Community27:16 Pilgrimage of Faith: The Ongoing Journey32:23 Restoration and Imagination: The Future of Church40:26 Staying Rooted: Finding Joy Amidst Struggles

Colleen Moore is the director of Peace With Justice at the General Board of Church and Society for the UMC. She joins us today to talk about a recent Young Adult Pilgrimage of Peace she helped facilitate in South Korea. What can we learn from bearing witness to spaces and places where there has been great suffering?  How might walking with others in places very different from our usual bring about personal and communal transformation? Colleen shares about her own personal guides, her deep call to peace and dignity for all, and her commitment to sharing stories to shape real change. Stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways): Contact Colleen MooreSocial Principles of the UMCYoung Adult Pilgrimage of Peace - South KoreaKorea Peace Now!Book - The Bridge at No Gun Ri: A Hidden Nightmare from the Korean WarWomenCrossDMZ - Christine AhnThe Rapture Exposed: The Message of Hope in the Book of RevelationUMC Action Alerts Pages for Progress - UMC Book Studies (Faith in the Face of Empire study)Chapters00:00 Opening Reflections and Poetic Introduction01:06 Acknowledging Global Pain and Unrest02:26 Introducing Colleen Moore and Her Work03:59 Personal Reflections on Heavy Times06:39 Finding Joy Amidst Struggles08:26 Understanding the Pilgrimage Experience08:38 The Young Adult Peace Pilgrimage Explained10:04 Witnessing History: The Gowlingeol Massacre Site12:19 Activating Change Through Pilgrimage15:43 Surprises and Emotional Impact of the Pilgrimage18:43 Power, Empire, and Advocacy Challenges24:24 The Importance of Storytelling in Advocacy27:20 Personal Narratives and Activism28:11 Guides and Mentors in the Journey30:56 The Importance of Bearing Witness33:56 Christian Nationalism and Its Implications38:58 Pilgrimage as a Spiritual Journey41:03 Connecting with Community and Action

Our journey with season 2 continues to meander in beautiful and unexpected ways as we have the extreme privilege of speaking with author, pastor, theologian, and someone well seasoned in the art of pilgrimage: Wes Granberg-Michaelson! Wes blows our minds and invites us into new and deeper understandings of pilgrimage. We delve into pilgrimage as response to empire, important movements that are inviting us back to our truest selves, and what can undergird us in the uncertain times we find ourselves in. This expansive conversation was a gift to us as are all of you, dear listeners! Thanks for making season 2 a wild and lovely pilgrimage. Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways): The Wandering Mind: What Medieval Monks did about Mental Distraction by: Jamie Kreiner Wesley Granberg-Michaelson Sojourners Without Oars: Casting Off into a Life of PilgrimageThe Soulwork of Justice: Four Movements of Contemplative ActionA Strategy for Christian Witness against Trump’s Autocracy Summer Stars by: Carl SandbergChapters00:00 Introduction to Radical Sacred and Summer Solstice01:47 Meeting Wes Granberg-Michelson02:24 Wes's Journey as a Pilgrim07:43 Understanding Pilgrimage and Its Dual Nature09:51 Integrating Internal and External Journeys16:23 Intentionality in Pilgrimage25:36 Four Movements of Pilgrimage31:44 Navigating the Crisis in Seminaries36:11 Creating a Holding Space for Spiritual Growth39:50 Walking Away from Empire: The Power of Pilgrimage50:33 The Role of Nature in Spiritual Connection

Today we leave our pent up indoor spaces and venture out for a walk together, apart. Can walking bring us closer when there’s literal distance between us? Can walking help us bridge the gap between our heart and our actions? Between where we are and where we’re meant to be? We talk about this season, the places and spaces we’ve been, our fabulous guests who’ve invited us into our own pilgrimages, and how we’re doing with all that’s shifting and changing.  Join us Saturday June 21st at 8 am for a Conscious Nature Stroll!Choose your favorite walking spot or find one brand new! Season 2 is drawing to a close and a lot of pilgrimaging has occurred for us since September. We’d love to walk together, apart as we reflect on all that’s been and that’s yet to come.   We invite you to bring your favorite pal (dog or human, your choice), your favorite poem of the moment to begin your time, turn your phone to silent, and reflect on one or two of the questions below as you walk: What is drawing my eye to beauty this morning and where in my life am I being invited to bring forth, protect, or create beauty? What is drawing my eye to suffering this morning and where in my life am I being invited to relieve suffering? Suffering in my community, in myself, in the space I’m walking?What journey in your life is ending or needs to end? Reflect on it. What pilgrimage is on your horizon? What is something new calling to you? Walk for however long and you’d like and share your reflections with us on Substack or Instagram. Thank you for walking with us this season!Chapters00:00 The Power of Walking and Connection05:43 Embracing Change and New Beginnings12:01 The Journey of Pilgrimage and Intention17:45 Attention and Awareness in Nature23:40 Navigating Endings and New Opportunities30:57 Embracing Change and New Beginnings37:02 Creating Without Fear: The Joy of Expression

Carolyn Whitney-Brown joins us in this playful and imaginative conversation around her and Henri Nouwen’s book Flying, Falling, Catching: An Unlikely Story of Finding Freedom. Written more than 2 decades after his death and centered around Henri’s late in life experiences with the trapeze group the Flying Rodelighs, this book is a joyous invitation to expand our horizons and to follow our curiosity. What new, high flying adventures might be calling to you? Where are the communities in our lives that encourage us to live fully? Carolyn, Henri, and the Flying Rodleighs invite us all to be joyful risk takers, rooted deeply in self and community.Show Notes:L'Arche Daybreak Flying, Falling, Catching: An Unlikely Story of Finding FreedomCarolyn’s WebsiteChapters00:00 The Poetic Prelude: Icarus and Love01:24 Introducing Carolyn Whitney: A Journey with Henry Nowen02:29 Creative Exploration: Writing and Illustrating Together04:38 Joyful Risk-Taking: Embracing Change in Uncertain Times09:11 The Trapeze: A Metaphor for Community and Connection15:15 Balancing Joy and Angst: The Duality of Henry Nowen18:47 Surprises in the Process: Reflecting on Henry's Legacy21:18 Henry as a Guide: Lessons from a Life of Pilgrimage27:04 The Role of Discipline: Structure in Creativity31:31 Overcoming Inner Criticism: The Voices in Our Heads34:46 Community and Creativity: Finding Support in Unlikely Places40:03 The Artist's Role: Bringing Hope Through Creativity44:51 Embracing Our Ancestors: The Interplay of Joy and Woe

This week we are joined by Rev. Rebecca Anderson and Rev. Vince Amlin of Bethany United Church of Christ in Chicago. We chat about partnership, creating healing spaces, and learning to move with the seasons of life and the ebbs and flows of our invitations from Spirit. Vince and Rebecca share about their journey with and honest ending of their beloved, queer, storytelling, bar-meeting church, Gilead. Every pilgrimage has a beginning and an end. What might we learn from ending things intentionally and with the Cosmic Christ in mind? And how might the things that truly matter to us transcend literal endings? Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways):Bethany United Church of Christ (Find Vince and Rebecca here) Earshot Stories Vince PilgrimagesWhat Sucks About the Afterlife by Andrea Gibson Chapters00:00 Reflections on the Afterlife and Personal Growth02:06 Introduction to Gilead Church and Its Mission03:47 Founding Stories: The Birth of Gilead Church07:15 The Significance of the Name 'Gilead'08:54 Queerness and Storytelling: Core Values of Gilead15:53 Understanding Pilgrimage in the Context of Gilead16:35 The Essence of Pilgrimage20:52 Intentionality in Community27:10 Embracing Endings with Grace33:20 Transformative Experiences and Future Directions

We are thrilled to chat with Frank and Mary Frost who are partners in life and film making! Today we talk about their fabulous, Emmy nominated, documentary about French scientist and Jesuit Priest, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. Teilhard was a feminist, a visionary thinker, a paleontologist, and a man way before his time. When met with new information that challenged his religious ideals, he didn’t shrink, but he expanded to meet the moment. What might we learn from his ecstatic, open hearted  way of moving through the world? Might Teilhard have something to teach us about the intersection of science and spirituality? Join this week's conversation to find out!Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways):Documentary - Teilhard: Visionary ScientistTeilhard ProjectAmerican Teilhard AssociationDivine Milieu Chapters00:00 The Vision of Teilhard de Chardin05:32 The Journey of Filmmaking and Discovery09:37 The Relevance of Teilhard Today14:35 Loyalty and Steadfastness in Faith20:27 The Complexity of Love and Relationships24:07 Expanding Spirit and Curiosity25:55 The Omega Point and Spirit-Matter Unity28:17 The Omega Point and Evolution31:41 Feminism and the Eternal Feminine35:49 Paleolithic Emotions and Modern Challenges39:49 Ecstasy and the Mystical Experience45:04 Pilgrimage and the Search for the Divine

Chelan Harkin joins us today on this meandering and moving conversation about the path of ecstatic movement. When we dial in to our truest selves, what mystical downloads from the universe might we receive? When we follow desire, where might our destination be? And how can a seemingly small act, like learning to trust the gentle nudges of the universe, lead us back to us? Spending time with Chelan is like diving into the deep waters she’s named after, it’s inviting and cool and totally refreshing. We hope you’ll dive in with us, into all the spaces and places that make you, you. Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways): Chelan Harkin Poetry Find Chelan’s Events on her FB pageChelan’s books Hypno-therapySomatic Therapy To live in this World by Mary Oliver Chapters00:00 The Ecstatic Spark of Creativity02:39 The Journey of a Poet: From Hesitation to Expression05:34 The Prayer Experiment: Connecting with the Muse08:27 The Cosmic Connection: Co-authoring with Daniel Ladinsky10:26 Listening to the Nudges: Intuition and Inner Guidance11:35 The Pilgrimage of Refining: Embracing Pain for Growth17:09 Nature as a Healing Force: Reconnecting with the Earth21:57 Somatic Practices: Grounding in the Body27:09 Finding Home in Nature: Personal Connections to the Land28:33 Connecting with Nature and Desire32:51 The Power of Surrender and Flow36:14 The Evolution of God and Language41:42 Myths and Collective Consciousness46:01 Guides and Mentorship on the JourneyAnnouncementRadical Sacred will be at this year's Wild Goose Festival leading a nature walk we are calling, "Walking the Illuminated Path: A Conscious Stroll in Nature." Using the practice of terra divina (reading nature as a sacred text) we will go for a conscious nature walk employing our 5 senses. When we slow down and center nature what might we hear from the Divine? From the depths of our own heart? From the earth? Invitations from our still wild selves are waiting for us in nature. How will we respond?If you'd like to join us August 28-31 in Harmony, NC Radical Sacred listeners get a discount on their registration. When checking out use code A-RS for $50 off the total price.

Today we go on a journey back to our truest selves with Dr. Tamice Spencer-Helms. They talk to us about finding uncoerced worship amongst the redwood trees, the beauty in connecting with other folks who invite us into our own aliveness, and all the ways we are being asked to remember that we ARE nature. What if we started actually emulating Jesus? What beauty and healing could come from us wandering around in wild spaces with our weird friends? Tamice shares about finding a deep well of courage from their ancestors and from within in one of our favorite interviews of Season 2. Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways): Tamice Namae SpeaksWebsiteR.E.S.T. Mixtape Faith Unleavened The Wilderness Between Trayvon Martin & George FloydTexas Methodist Foundation Christian Community Development Association Ryan CooglerSnake Plant by: KB BrookinsPhygital Preaching Fellows Chapters00:00 The Journey of Self-Discovery and Growth03:02 Embracing Ancestry and Nature05:53 Navigating Identity and Belonging09:04 The Power of Non-Coercive Worship12:03 Reconnecting with Intuition14:57 Expanding Spiritual Frameworks17:54 The Great Awakening and Community20:57 Wandering Together in Faith30:07 The Power of Community and Flock Religion31:04 The Hush Harbor: A Historical Perspective34:47 Resurrection Technology: The Impulse for Freedom42:34 Courage in the Face of Adversity48:59 Rethinking Freedom and Resistance54:52 Wrestling with Scripture and Spirituality

Bill Holston, CEO of Dallas Eviction Advocacy Center, joins us today on the pod! We hear from Bill about eviction advocacy, the importance of all people having access to representation and safe housing, as well as how he finds connection and rest in nature during these trying times. What can we learn when we reflect on the slow movement of the trout lily? Bill reminds us that  oftentimes advocacy work begins with noticing what’s happening in our towns and to our neighbors. What have you noticed lately that breaks your heart or invites you into advocacy? By all means, pay attention, and get started on the good work of doing your good work, friends. Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways): Human Rights Initiative of North Texas Faith Commons Eviction Advocacy Center - Donate to help support Bill’s work on evictionsSpring Creek Forest PreserveGreenland Hills Methodist Church Book - The Myth of Certainty by Daniel TaylorMission Tejas State Park Deep Vellum PublishingVaclav Havel Quote - The Politics of Hope chapter from Disturbing the PeaceBill Holston on Instagram for nature picturesMay by Mary Oliver Chapters00:00 The Beauty of Nature and Spirituality03:04 Pilgrimage: A Journey of Purpose06:02 Nature's Influence on Personal Growth09:01 Justice and Advocacy: A Life's Calling11:49 Faith and Activism: A Complex Relationship14:51 Dallas: A City of History and Justice18:10 Nature's Tenacity and Fragility21:05 The Importance of Companionship in the Journey33:45 Finding a Church That Aligns with Values34:10 The Role of Churches in Social Justice36:34 The Gap Between Desire and Action39:18 Practical Solutions for Asylum Seekers42:08 Finding Beauty in Nature46:30 The Power of Small Actions49:42 Navigating Hope and Despair52:43 Understanding Hope vs. Optimism55:35 Connecting with Community and Nature

This week we chat with Rev. Tim Clifford about his journey out of cynicism and how he’s learning to reengage with joy. Tim’s substack, Theology of a Recovering Cynic, follows his movement back towards a truer version of himself through endurance sports, theology, TTRPG’s, imagination, and more. In these dark times it can be tempting to give into cynicism and hopelessness. Rev. Tim reminds us that we can walk a different path, one that’s intentional and filled with curiosity and connection. Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways): Theology of a Recovering Cynic Arlington Heights UMCEncounter Worship Fort Worth Thomas J. OordDan McClellanTripp FullerTim on Bluesky Radical Sacred at Wild GooseEpiphany by Sophie StrandRemember by Joy Harjo Chapters00:00 The Power of Love and Connection06:29 Endurance and Personal Growth10:55 The Nature of Love15:45 Theological Reflections on Power20:00 Endurance Sports and Spiritual Resilience28:00 The Importance of Self-Care in Ministry29:53 Overcoming Cynicism Through Endurance31:23 Guides on the Journey: Theological and Athletic34:03 Finding Inspiration in Community35:17 The Meditative Nature of Endurance Sports37:04 Rest and Hobbies: Balancing Life and Wellness40:16 Creation as a Route Away from Cynicism42:30 Integrating Theology and Daily Life43:00 Connecting Through Community and Events

This week’s episode is a creative and soulful collab with Stephanie Adelina and Satchel Victory of Pegasus Tattoo and Wellness! While Stephanie gives Jenny a gorgeous strawberry tattoo we chat about trauma informed care, creating safe spaces for everyone, therapy and the coming together of all of the above. Steph and Satchel share with us about being partners in life and in business and all the ways care, connection, and community can bring us together. What happens when tattooing and wellness are combined in an inclusive space? Join us to find out! Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways): The Strawberry Poem by Keaton St. James Pegasus on InstaPegasus Tattoo Satchel Victory Psychology TodayThe Sandlot  

On this bonus episode we talk about vigil and the things that call to the depths of our hearts. What can’t you turn away from? What is currently calling you to deep attention and care? We chat about swans, the weird wildness of the Easter Vigil, following our joy and our heartbreak, and everything in between. May you turn your loving gaze to the places and spaces that invite you into vigil. And may your loving gaze be the spark that ignites the flame of your actions. Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways):Radical Sacred will be at  Wild Goose Fest Get tickets for the Wild Goose, use code A-RS for a $50 discountDogfish by Mary Oliver UMC tradition of Easter Vigil Chapters00:00 Introduction to Radical Sacred and Wild Goose Festival04:01 Easter Vigil: A Time of Reflection08:09 The Importance of Sitting Vigil11:55 Experiencing Grief and Loss15:58 The Journey of Vigil and Resurrection19:57 Nature as a Source of Vigil24:08 The Complexity of Modern Church Services27:50 Finding Joy in Vigil31:55 The Call to Attention and Action36:05 Conclusion: Embracing the Fullness of Life

We chat with Victoria Loorz and Valerie Luna Serrels about their fabulous new offering: Field Guide to the Church of the Wild. Victoria and Valerie are sisters who create uniquely wild offerings through Seminary of the Wild Earth, eco spiritual direction training and more. In this honest and deeply rooted conversation we learn how Victoria and Valerie are creating a mycelial hub for the emerging wild spirituality movement. When we listen to the wild call of our hearts what might we discover? How can being in relationship with the more than human earth transform how we see all things? Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways): Field Guide to the Church of the Wild Seminary of the Wild Earth Sheri KlingThe Holy Wild Podcast Coffee Cup Spirituality- Susan AlkerChapters00:00 Listening to the Land: A Spiritual Practice10:07 Reimagining Roles and Language in Spiritual Leadership20:00 The Intersection of Process Theology and Wild Church29:51 Rituals as a Means of Connection and Healing39:47 Witnessing Urban Nature: Finding the Wild in Concrete44:05 Technology and Nature: A New Paradigm49:50 Embracing Grief and Joy in Community54:44 Reciprocity: The Essence of Relationships59:56 Finding Sacredness in Place

This week we are joined by Hunter Mobley, Enneagram teacher, speaker, and author of the fabulous new book Letting Go, Finding You. We dive deep with Hunter into contemplation and the Enneagram. If “contemplation is a long loving look”, how might Enneagram wisdom and contemplating flow together? Hunter invites us into a gentler, more hope filled way of viewing the Enneagram and ourselves. Letting Go, Finding You by: Hunter Mobley Hunter’s Website 40 Days of Being a 2 by: Hunter Mobley Life in the Trinity Ministry How to Be Alone by Padraig O’Tuama Chapters00:00 The Journey of Self-Discovery02:20 Introduction to the Enneagram03:48 Pilgrimage and the Enneagram07:22 Contemplation and Spirituality12:05 Personal Journey and Integration20:47 The Journey of Contemplation23:19 Contemplation and the Heart Center27:53 Understanding the Enneagram and Contemplation33:59 Empathy and the Enneagram37:17 The Interconnection of Wisdom Traditions

We are honored and delighted to have this gorgeous conversation with the one and only John Phillip Newell. John Phillip chats with us about St. Brigid, having rituals in these unsettling times, connection to the earth, and everything in between. As we stand in the thresholds of life, how might we draw upon the courage and wisdom of St. Brigid? John Phillip invites us to delight in where we are and to find the addresses of our own hearts, wherever they may dwell.Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways): Sacred Earth, Sacred SoulEcoVillage, Findhorn ScotlandIona AbbeyThe Great SearchMatthew FoxEarth & SoulChapters00:00 Awakening to the Divine Within02:25 Journey to Fintorn: A Sacred Community06:32 The Essence of Pilgrimage17:20 Attention as Prayer: A Mindful Approach21:48 St. Bridget: Myth and Midwifery28:04 Imagination and Prophetic Wisdom32:53 Imagining a New Future33:57 Bridging Wisdom Traditions34:55 Responding to Authority and Generosity39:45 The Spirit of Our Time43:57 Understanding Brokenness vs. Woundedness51:00 The Role of Ritual in Transformation

Humbled by this lovely conversation with the Executive Director of OutCenter, Mary Jo Schnell. Mary Jo talks to us about leading with empathy and listening deeply to all people, even those we fundamentally disagree with. We can’t connect with others in meaningful ways if we don’t “stay at the table.” Mary Jo walks us through a vision of building an inclusive future rooted in community, equality for all, and intersectionality. May we each be the vision bearers and light bringers for such a beautiful future. Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways):              OutCenterOn Tyranny by Timothy SnyderHow to Stand Up to a Dictator - Maria RessaMy Gender is the Undoing of Gender by Andrea GibsonGood Grief by Andrea GibsonChapters00:00 The Journey of Self-Discovery02:41 The Role of the Out Center05:12 Mary Jo's Background and Nonprofit Experience10:25 Building Community and Support for LGBTQ Youth16:15 The Importance of Education and Advocacy21:24 Navigating Systemic Challenges26:17 Guides and Influences on the Journey36:30 The Unmasking of the Movement38:29 Community Resilience and Local Action43:42 Empathy as a Tool for Connection48:53 Navigating Tyranny and Advocacy58:54 The Importance of Staying at the Table

Rev. Jeremy Steele takes us on the journey of a skeptic building an open hearted online community rooted in deep questions and care. Jeremy’s new book “How not to suck as a Christian” is an honest reflection of his own faith pilgrimage. Through his Skeptic Pastor account on Tik-Tok Jeremy has found that beneath the most frequently asked questions he gets online are people looking for connection and for authenticity, no matter their background. What big questions do you have that you’ve been made to feel aren’t welcome in certain faith spaces? Rev. Jeremy not only has room for the hard questions, but welcomes them. What might shift for us if we viewed our questions as important guides for our spiritual journey and not something to fear or avoid? Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways): Rev. Jeremy Steele How Not to Suck as a Christian book Unbelief podcastTrevor Project Dan McClellanI Don’t Want to Live a Small Life by: Mary Oliver Chapters00:00 Introduction to Radical Sacred and Mary Oliver's Poem01:15 Meet Jeremy Steele: A Journey of Faith and Skepticism03:30 Exploring the Book: How to Not Suck as a Christian06:08 The Role of Technology in Modern Ministry08:22 Connecting with Diverse Spiritual Communities12:35 Mysticism and Spirituality Beyond Traditional Beliefs18:20 Understanding God: A Linguistic Perspective20:45 Embracing Mystery in Times of Crisis23:45 The Power of Relationships in Spirituality26:02 Wrestling with Doubt and Spiritual Growth26:54 The Role of Skepticism in Faith29:01 Guides and Influences on Spiritual Journeys32:18 Understanding Spirit Guides33:49 Navigating Foreign Lands in Spirituality42:51 The Power of Narrative in Spiritual Experience