"To Be And Do" with Philip Amerson

In this reflective "Because" episode of To Be and Do, Phil Amerson explores the evolving nature of parish life, the power of faith expressed beyond institutional boundaries, and the temptation to focus on perfecting forms rather than embracing the messy, vibrant reality of faith in action. Through vivid storytelling and thoughtful analogy, the episode invites listeners to reconsider how they recognize and respond to the spiritual rhythms that pulse through ordinary and extraordinary moments alike.Three Key Takeaways1. Parishes Transcend Geography and TimeTraditionally, parishes were bound by geographic markers—literal boundaries walked and declared as a community's responsibility. Amerson notes at 00:15 and 00:40 that these bounds have become far more flexible over time. The modern reality is that “parishes” may form around shared experiences, relationships, or causes, transcending physical space—sometimes lasting decades, sometimes meeting virtually. This shift encourages communities of faith to see their reach, purpose, and responsibility in much broader terms than just a defined patch of land.2. The Music of Faith is More Than Its InstrumentsA recurring metaphor in the episode is the distinction between the “music” of faith and the “instrument” of the church or institution (01:02, 03:39). Speaker A reminds us that the vibrancy of faith cannot be contained or defined solely by our organizational structures. He recounts the spontaneous singing and solidarity displayed on the streets of Minneapolis in 2026 following tragic events (01:19). These outpourings of faith and hope transcended institutional and denominational lines, reminding listeners that the true witness of faith is often found when the community moves beyond scripted rituals and engages with the world’s joys and sorrows.3. Heaven is “Crammed” into Ordinary Life—If Only We NoticeDrawing on Elizabeth Barrett Browning’s poetry, Amerson challenges the practice of searching for singular “glory sightings” as an impoverished way to acknowledge God’s abundance (04:24). He suggests that instead of limiting our perception to occasional, dramatic moments, we should cultivate an attentiveness to the sacred embedded in everyday life. Taking off one’s shoes in awe, rather than “plucking blackberries,” becomes a metaphor for spiritual attentiveness and humility (05:17). The episode closes with an encouragement: practice listening for the music and let the fullness of faith arise, not just within set boundaries or routines, but everywhere.For those seeking to deepen their perspective on spiritual community and the lived reality of faith, this episode provides nourishing insights and gentle provocations.

Show Notes: To Be and DoGuest: Jonathan Massimi, Managing Director at Civic BloomHost: Phil AmersonEpisode OverviewIn this reflective episode, Jonathan Massimi delves into the complexities of leadership transitions within faith communities. Drawing from his experiences in Kitchener, Ontario and the frameworks of asset-based community development (ABCD), Jonathan Massimi and Phil Amerson explore how structure and spontaneity coexist, the role of institutional frameworks, and the spiritual metaphors that help communities grow through moments of uncertainty.Three Key Takeaways1. The Importance and Paradox of Structure During TransitionsJonathan Massimi shares vivid examples highlighting the tension between hierarchical “triangles” (formal structures) and communal “circles” (relational communities) 04:18. In times of transition—like the recent resignation of a pastor—faith communities face instability, uncertainty, and competing reactions: worry, excitement, nostalgia, and power dynamics among those who step up to fill leadership gaps 01:23. Jonathan Massimi argues that while circles foster participation and community, some structure is necessary to provide direction and prevent the loudest voices from dominating 05:12. The challenge, he notes, is finding the right “geometry”—using structure not to restrict but to “prop up” healthy circles, akin to an ice cream cone supporting the scoop 13:29.2. Balancing Inclusion and Leadership OwnershipThe episode discusses how leadership in communities is most effective when it invites widespread participation while maintaining clear roles. Phil Emerson offers a personal anecdote involving servant leadership expert Robert Greenleaf, who taught that strong leaders must include others in leadership to prevent disconnect or overreach 08:32. Jonathan Massimi reinforces this by pointing out the hazards of unchecked individual ownership (like the person who controls a church kitchen to the exclusion of all others) 10:48. Effective community renewal requires both acknowledging internal gifts and welcoming external talents in a dynamic, ongoing balance.3. Spiritual Metaphors: Breathing and the TableJonathan Massimi introduces metaphors of “breathing” and “the table” to express the rhythm of community life and faith 12:41. Healthy communities inhale (welcome new energy from outside) and exhale (release their own gifts to the wider world), creating cycles of growth 13:01. The conversation culminates with the image of the table, especially as seen in the Emmaus Road story, as a powerful place of revelation and belonging 16:26. These metaphors invite listeners to reconsider familiar religious practices and symbols as avenues for inclusion, transformation, and ongoing discovery.Listen for practical wisdom on navigating organizational change, spiritual renewal, and the enduring tension between structure and freedom in community life.https://civicbloom.ca/

Episode OverviewIn this reflective episode, Philip Amerson takes listeners behind the scenes of a pastors’ retreat he helped facilitate, diving into the “why” behind gathering faith leaders away from their usual busy routines. Instead of offering programs or solutions, the focus was set on shared reflection about the future of the church—from a place of rest, quiet, and intention. Using a powerful analogy from the documentary From Mao to Mozart and a moving personal story, Philip Emerson challenges both clergy and listeners to rethink the role of tradition, institution, and community in spiritual life.Three Key Takeaways1. The Church as Instrument—Not the MusicDrawing on a lesson from violinist Isaac Stern in the film From Mao to Mozart (00:39), Philip Amerson highlights the difference between “playing the violin” and “playing the music.” In this metaphor, the church is the instrument—it facilitates, supports, and carries—but is not itself the music, which is the lived experience of faith and connection with God. Philip Amerson reflects on how, as a pastor, he sometimes prioritized managing or “playing the instrument” over cultivating the deeper music of faith within the community (01:30).2. Faith Grows Beyond Institutional BoundariesA story from Philip Amerson’s own pastoral career powerfully underscores the importance of meeting people where they are. When a young pastor was late for an early morning communion (01:47), it turned out he had been sharing communion with neighbors on their porches and at bus stops, inviting them into the sanctuary. This spontaneous outreach resulted in a richer gathering and illustrated how sometimes the most genuine acts of faith extend beyond church walls and prescribed rituals (02:38).3. Rethinking Faith and Freedom Within InstitutionsPhilip Amerson prompts listeners to ask themselves how they think about their faith—whether it’s something confined to institutional structures, or if there’s room for the “instrument” of church to allow the real music to flourish (03:13). He invites reflection on how institutional forms can support or stifle authentic spirituality, and suggests future episodes will continue exploring the balance between structure and freedom in living out faith (03:17).Listen & ReflectThis episode encourages pastors, church members, and all spiritual seekers to reconsider what it means to gather, connect, and make space for the true music of faith—both within and beyond formal institutions.

Episode OverviewIn this insightful episode, Phil Amerson reconnects with Jonathan Massimi in a reflective conversation exploring the intersections of technology, memory, and spiritual community. Together, they probe what it means to be human in an age where artificial intelligence and digital tools shape not just our actions, but also our relationships and our collective memory. Drawing on classroom experiences and personal practices, Jonathan Massimi challenges listeners to consider the impact of technology on our sense of agency, community, and the artifacts we use to remember our lives. The conversation is an invitation to slow down, notice the silences in our lives, and honor the memories and artifacts that connect us to each other and to generations past and future.Three Takeaways1. Technology Shapes Our Relationships and CreativityJonathan Massimi shares a classroom experiment where students create art first by finger painting and then by using AI tools. The difference is striking: while finger painting fostered lively conversation and creative connection, shifting to AI-generated art led to a silent, isolated room and notable frustration when the technology produced results that didn’t match intentions. This illustrates how digital tools don’t merely augment our creativity—they can fundamentally alter our interactions and even distance us from our own agency and each other (03:39-07:07).2. Memory and Artifacts: What Are We Losing?A meaningful thread emerges on the subject of memory. Jonathan Massimi discusses the shift from tangible artifacts—such as photographs, watches, and sacred objects—to digital archives curated by algorithms (07:08-08:17). This leads to deeper questions: Who owns our memories? What do we lose when our memories are stored digitally, often forgotten among thousands of files, rather than honored in physical form? Both speakers emphasize the spiritual and communal power of shared, tangible artifacts—objects tied to stories, lineage, and rituals.3. Intentional Practices Can Restore Reflection and ConnectionIn a world of ever-present screens, both guests point to the power of intentional, analog practices. Whether through wearing and winding a mechanical watch, sharing sacred objects in community, or creating art by hand, such acts help restore a sense of time, reflection, and relationship (16:19-18:41). These practices slow us down and reconnect us to ourselves, our histories, and our communities in ways technology cannot replicate.Key Quote:"There is silence, and then there is silence… constructed realities so detached from the memories we carry." — Phil Amerson (10:24)Further ListeningStay tuned for the next episode, where Speaker A and Jonathan Massimi continue this thought-provoking exploration of technology, memory, and spiritual formation.

Connecting Community and Ministry: Tyler Brinks on Asset Based Development and Convening ChangeIn this insightful episode of To Be and Do, host Phil Amerson welcomes Reverend Tyler Brinks of First Presbyterian Church, Bloomington, Indiana, for an authentic conversation about aligning identity with action, the power of connectorship, and the transformative philosophy of Asset Based Community Development (ABCD).The discussion opens with Amerson reflecting on the recurring tension many feel between “doing” and “being,” emphasizing the importance of intentional living that fuses who we are with what we do. This theme sets the stage for an exploration of ABCD, a community-building approach championed by John McKnight and Jody Kretzman, which focuses not on deficits but on the hidden and communal gifts within neighborhoods and individuals.Brinks traces his own journey with the church, describing how key mentors and a series of serendipitous associations—beginning at his home church in Michigan and later through meaningful connections in Indianapolis—brought this philosophy to life for him. He shares the pivotal influence of figures such as Reverend Fernando Rodriguez, Mike Mather, and Diamond Hargis, and the surprising intersections of their work that shaped his approach to ministry.Central to the conversation is the idea of “connectorship.” Amerson recounts a story about John McKnight, who highlighted the role of convening—bringing people together—as more foundational than traditional models of leadership. Speaker B echoes this, attributing his own emphasis on building relationships to the gentle encouragements of his parents and a personal awareness of the knowledge and wisdom found in others.The episode closes with a meditative word from Speaker B, who shares a reflection from Howard Thurman’s “Meditations of the Heart.” Using the image of the jack pine—whose seeds only open after intense fire—he inspires listeners to recognize that times of challenge may unlock latent gifts within us, pointing to new beginnings and resurrection even in the ashes.Key TakeawaysAsset Based Community Development: Real change and growth begin by recognizing and leveraging the gifts already present in individuals and communities—not focusing solely on needs or deficits.The Power of Connectorship: Convening and connecting people is a vital, often undervalued, leadership skill that enables shared wisdom and collaborative action.Embracing Unexpected Journeys: Crossroads in life and ministry frequently arise through organic relationships and open-hearted exploration.Transformation through Challenge: As illustrated by the jack pine, our deepest gifts often emerge in times of trial, offering seeds of hope and renewal.Learning to See Differently: True humanization requires acknowledging both flaws and gifts, learning to foster environments where everyone’s strengths are noticed and celebrated.

Because:To Be and Do: BecauseShow NotesIn this reflective episode of To Be and Do, Phil Amerson offers a brief meditation on the importance of togetherness, compassion, and the deeply spiritual act of sharing a meal. Rooted in personal experience and theological insight, the episode invites listeners to consider how everyday moments—especially coming together at the table—can become opportunities for healing, connection, and hope in a fractured world.The episode opens with a poetic introduction from Ken Medema, setting a gentle, contemplative tone: “Clock strikes 10 coffee time again. While the world is rushing to its judgment day. Judgment day.” 00:01 This reflective spirit carries through as Speaker B shares his thoughts on community, inspired by a recent retreat for pastors (the details of which are teased for a future episode).As we await that story, Amerson turns our attention to a profound image—an oil painting by Kadir Nelson titled After the Storm, depicting a diverse group of people united in hope after times of hardship 00:58. This image becomes a launching point for exploring how we might move past divisions of race, language, and nationality, envisioning a future where empathy and welcome take precedence 01:46.Drawing on theological themes, Speaker B encourages listeners to see the table—wherever it might be—as a place for Holy Communion and transformation. From Christ’s meals with those on the margins to the post-resurrection story of recognition in the breaking of bread, the episode urges us to make every shared meal a chance for connection and grace 03:17, 03:47.Three TakeawaysThe Table as Sacred Space: Amerson emphasizes that ordinary tables, where we share meals, can become powerful places of communion and reconciliation, echoing some of Christianity’s most profound stories 03:06.Radical Inclusion Over Division: The episode calls us to imagine a future beyond divisions—racial, linguistic, or national—and to actively combat indifference and othering by welcoming strangers and breaking bread together 01:46.Hope After Hardship: Inspired by Kadir Nelson’s After the Storm, Speaker B offers hope that after times of conflict and pain, there is the possibility of unity, healing, and new beginnings when we simply choose to be together 01:26.May every coffee break or shared meal become an invitation to compassion, connection, and holy presence in your daily life.

Show Notes: To Be and DoGuest: Tyler Brinks, Associate Pastor at First Presbyterian Church, BloomingtonEpisode OverviewIn this episode of To Be and Do, host Phil Amerson sits down with Tyler Brinks, a young pastor whose ministry journey traverses denominational traditions and diverse congregational settings. Together, they explore the changing landscape of mainline Protestantism, the power of hope and creativity in faith communities, and the intersection of contemplation and activism. Tyler Brinks also shares insights on the influence of spiritual mentors and the simple spirituality found in his favorite discipline: running.Three Key Takeaways1. Demographic Shifts Spark New Narratives of HopeTyler Brinks candidly addresses the statistical decline in mainline denominations such as the PCUSA and Methodists, referencing Ryan Burge’s work forecasting significant membership decreases in coming decades (03:08). Despite the sobering data, Tyler Brinks emphasizes the importance of seeing possibilities where others see scarcity. He encourages holding stories of decline in tension with counter-narratives—highlighting faithfulness and creativity that statistics often overlook. Vibrant ministry, he insists, continues to emerge even within challenging constraints (04:40, 07:40).2. Diversity of Experience Fuels Ingenuity in MinistryFrom large, urban congregations like Second Presbyterian in Indianapolis to rural yoked churches and historically Black congregations such as Witherspoon Presbyterian, Tyler Brinks describes a ministry shaped by diverse contexts (14:03). He notes that whether facing questions of shrinking membership or merging congregations, practitioners continuously honor tradition while creatively discerning the present moment’s needs (16:34). Sharing experiences with peers across the spectrum is vital for fostering both sustainability and transformation.3. Contemplation and Action: A Rhythmic BalanceThe conversation delves into Tyler Brinks’s deep appreciation for both contemplation and activism in spiritual life. Influenced by mentors and spiritual giants like Howard Thurman, he finds that reflective practices can catalyze change and engagement with the world (19:29). His running routine also becomes a spiritual exercise, a time for both clearing the mind and nurturing creativity—sometimes even composing sermons mid-stride (26:40). This balance of being grounded in worship and being propelled into compassionate action defines his pastoral approach.Listen for thoughtful perspectives on ministry’s future and discover how hope, diversity, and spiritual rhythm can revitalize faith communities.

In this heartfelt "Because" episode of To Be and Do, Phil Amerson invites listeners into a brief meditation on perspective, hope, and resilience through the stories of two friends—Bob and Joe. Set against the everyday backdrop of coffee and morning rituals, Phil reflects on how these two characters embody different approaches to life’s challenges and offers personal insight on navigating the spectrum between complaint and hope.Three Key Takeaways1. Your Outlook Shapes Your ExperienceThe episode contrasts Bob, the habitual pessimist, and Joe, the resilient optimist. Despite facing difficult circumstances, Joe maintains his "sparkle," holding onto hope even in the face of adversity. Phil describes how Bob met each Sunday morning with complaint and negativity, making it clear that focusing on the negative can become a pattern that colors not only your life but the lives of those around you . In contrast, Joe, even after enduring criticism, hardship, and physical decline, refuses to let these things diminish his spirit . The message: We may not have control over what happens to us, but we do have a say in how we respond.2. The Power of Intentionally Seeking Good NewsRather than letting Bob’s negativity take center stage every Sunday, Phil interrupts the routine by asking, "What good news do you have for me this week?" This simple, intentional question challenges the cycle of complaint and gently nudges toward a different perspective. The takeaway here is that we can intentionally create space for positivity in our conversations and relationships, shifting focus from what’s wrong to what’s good—even when it feels unnatural or surprising.3. Sparkle in the Face of AdversityJoe’s story serves as an embodiment of resilience and hope. Even as a bishop subject to criticism and betrayal, and later physically limited, Joe "sparkled" , demonstrating that hope and joy aren’t naive—they are powerful acts of courage. Drawing on Emily Dickinson’s poem, "Hope is the thing with feathers," Phil reminds listeners that hope is always present if we choose to notice. The closing reflection and reference to the gospel song "Leave it There" invite us all to work on sparkling, to lay down our burdens, and embrace a spirit of gratitude and grace, regardless of our circumstances.Whether you find yourself more like Bob or Joe, this episode encourages you to reclaim your outlook, seek out good news intentionally, and strive to "sparkle" even on tough days.

In this compelling episode of the To Be and Do podcast, host Phil Amerson welcomes Tim Soerens, executive director of the Parish Collective, for an enriching conversation about what it means to be the church in the neighborhood and how that impacts both individual lives and communities. Listeners are taken on a journey that weaves together stories of playful evangelism, real-life examples of neighborhood flourishing, and the deeper meaning of church as a connective force in society.The episode opens with Amerson reflecting on Soerens’ writing in “The New Parish” and his more recent book, “Everywhere You Look.” Soerens explains the mission of the Parish Collective: to connect people who seek to be and become the church right where they live, emphasizing the importance of reorganizing church life around local relationships that actively pursue the well-being, or “shalom,” of their neighborhoods 01:09.Conversation Highlights & TakeawaysThe Power of Place-Based FaithSoerens discusses how focusing on the neighborhood allows the church to ask, “What is God doing here and now, with these people?” rather than simply striving for bigger services or attendance numbers 12:58. This localized approach shifts the conversation from competition among churches to collaboration for the flourishing of the community.Weak Ties and Neighborhood CohesionThe discussion delves into the social science of “weak ties” or “bridging relationships.” Speaker A and Soerens recount how simple, repeated encounters—like seeing a neighbor at the grocery store—can gradually foster connective tissue in a community 16:55. This relational glue is essential for lasting change.Leadership as Convening, Not ControllingThe role of leadership is reimagined as “convening” rather than commanding. Drawing on insights from Peter Block and John McKnight, Soerens highlights the radical impact of leaders who focus on connecting people, rather than simply leading them 24:46.The Unique Role of the Church in SocietySoerens argues the church, unlike any other institution, is uniquely positioned to serve as the connective tissue among different sectors—business, education, politics, and more—bringing neighbors together for the common good 14:50.Whether you’re a pastor, layperson, or someone who simply cares about the place you call home, this episode is full of ideas and stories to help you “be and do” in ways that can transform your own neighborhood, one connection at a time.

In this reflective "Because" episode of To Be and Do, Phil Amerson revisits a pivotal period serving as pastor at Broadway United Methodist Church in Indianapolis, sharing personal anecdotes and hard-earned wisdom about building a truly welcoming church community. Weaving together Biblical references, personal stories, and social observations, the episode confronts the realities and aspirations involved in embracing multiculturalism—both in faith communities and society at large.Key Themes1. The Challenge and Commitment of Multicultural CommunityPhil highlights the ambitious and intentional mission statement adopted by Broadway United Methodist Church in 1986: to become a multicultural Christian community that seeks, welcomes, and values all people. This brings out a theme of aspiration versus lived reality. Despite admitting their naivety in striving for such ideals celebrates the commitment to inclusivity that has endured for 40 years , even as the community grappled with hard lessons and social challenges.2. Confronting the Power of Fear and TribalismThe episode does not shy away from acknowledging the forces that undermine multicultural efforts. Speaker B discusses how tribalism, fear, and resentment have historically eroded goodwill—not just within their church, but across society and global alliances . In one vivid example , manifestations of discrimination and bigotry are likened to masked ICE agents in urban America, underscoring the persistent threats to genuine inclusion. Yet, the congregation’s mission remains a countercultural witness to God’s love for all neighbors .3. The Enduring Value of Hope and Long-Term FaithfulnessDespite setbacks and societal cynicism, Phil questions whether such aspirations are truly naive. Drawing from the teachings of Paul and referencing Eugene Peterson’s phrase, “a long obedience in the same direction” , the episode encourages listeners to persist in the slow work of building loving, inclusive communities. The ultimate message is not to lose hope or retreat into isolation, but to keep striving for the reality of God’s kingdom on earth.Notable Quotes“The gift of knowing others who differed in a community of acceptance could never be erased.” (03:40)“Stay at it, good friends. Don’t get stuck in privatism or self pity.” (04:29)Tune in for a thoughtful meditation on faith, community, and the courage required to love beyond boundaries.

In this compelling episode of To Be and Do, Phil Amerson welcomes Tim Soerens, a pastor, author, and leader in the Parish Collective, to explore how interdependence is vital for both personal and communal flourishing. Together, they dive into the evolving role of the church, the legacy of John McKnight, and how finding hope and joy is essential for leaders, especially in times of rapid change.Three Major TakeawaysAsset-Based Community Development and Neighborhood FocusThe conversation begins by honoring John McKnight and his foundational work in asset-based community development (01:26). Tim shares how McKnight’s belief in uncovering ordinary gifts within every neighborhood profoundly shapes his approach to ministry. Rather than focusing solely on decline or challenges, the episode emphasizes that each community possesses a “multiplicity of gifts” (03:04), ordinary heroes, and untold stories waiting to be discovered and celebrated.Rethinking the Purpose and Model of ChurchBoth speakers reflect on the end of Christendom and the necessity to reimagine what church means today (10:24). Tim discusses his journey: moving from an attractional Sunday-centric model to an incarnational, place-based approach — highlighting the Parish Collective’s core question: “How do we be and become the church in our everyday lives through relationships, pursuing the hopes and dreams of God?” (09:26). They underscore the importance of clarity about the church’s purpose, noting how many institutions (like libraries) have clear functions, whereas the church’s purpose is often ambiguous (14:37).Hope, Joy, and the Necessity of Slowing DownThe episode closes with practical wisdom for today’s pastoral leaders. Tim emphasizes that hope springs from asking “What is God up to here?”, a question that transforms perspectives and inspires even in ordinary moments (15:36). He connects this to the search for joy, suggesting it often emerges when leaders slow down, listen deeply, and share meaningfully with others (17:45). The importance of retreat, rest, and interdependence is echoed — reminders that hope and joy are as essential as oxygen in today’s fast-paced world.Listen in for a timely, thoughtful exploration of what it means to be the church, recover joy, and discover hope in every place and relationship.

In this reflective episode of To Be and Do, the theme of living on the edge—spiritually, emotionally, and within our conflicted world—takes center stage. , Phil Amerson, invites listeners to pause for a meditative moment, weaving together poetry and poignant observations to spark contemplation about faith, paradox, and the spaces we inhabit.The episode opens with a gentle scene: the clock strikes ten, signaling coffee time—a recurring motif reminding us of the simple, comforting rituals that anchor our days 00:01. But as the aroma of coffee wafts through the air, there’s an awareness that the outside world rushes toward its own “judgment day,” a subtle prompt for listeners to consider both the gravity and moments of grace in daily life.Phil Amerson, recognizing the transformative power of poetry, shares verses that linger and provoke. He introduces “The Wanderer” by Walter Wangren Jr., a Lutheran pastor and dear friend. The poem reflects on the experience of being a “world rim Walker,” traversing the precipices between night and day, certainty and doubt 00:54. Amerson’s reminiscence about Wangren’s life and the continuing relevance of his work adds a layer of intimacy, bridging the personal and the universal 01:38.The journey continues with a poem from Christian Wiman, “Hard Night,” capturing the stark landscapes of desert and ice, and questioning the “space between” affirming that our existence unfolds in the paradox—the uncertainty and possibility suspended in those in-between places.Drawing from current events, Amerson reflects on the crises facing humanity: wars of choice, the devastation in Gaza, Lebanon, Somalia, and Ukraine . Despite this, the message is one of resilience and hope. “We are the walkers at the edge,” he concludes, urging us to live with integrity and intentionality: to “be a person who does what you believe and believes what you do” .Key TakeawaysReflection Through Poetry: Poetry can provide a valuable mirror for the complexities of life, offering calm contemplation in the face of chaos.Embracing Paradox: Life often unfolds in the liminal spaces between extremes—night and day, faith and doubt, war and peace.Witnessing and Compassion: Acknowledging the suffering in the world stimulates a compassionate response and encourages us to walk thoughtfully and bravely.Living Authentically: There is power in aligning our actions with our beliefs, serving as “edge walkers” who navigate uncertainty with integrity.Everyday Rituals as Anchors: Simple moments—like coffee time—can ground us and create connection, even amidst turmoil As the episode closes, the invitation remains: pour a cup, sit with an old friend, and live each day with love and laughter.

In this insightful episode of "To Be and Do," host Phil Amerson welcomes Dr. Rachel Metheny, pastor at Meridian Street Church, for an honest and inspiring conversation about soul care, joy, and navigating the complexities of ministry in a modern world. The episode opens with Phil Amerson asking how Rachel Metheny maintains her own spiritual energy amidst the demands of leading a wealthy, vibrant congregation. What follows is a lively exploration of hiking, gratitude, family, and the wider implications of community and belonging.Key Takeaways:Soul Care through Walking and Pilgrimage:Rachel Metheny shares how walking and hiking have become vital practices for her sanity and spiritual renewal. She recounts preparing for a group pilgrimage on the El Camino in Spain, reflecting on previous hiking adventures—from Machu Picchu to a 9-day trek in the Dolomites—emphasizing the restorative power of physical challenge and nature. These activities help her get out of her head, push boundaries, and reflect on life’s beauty.Sports and Joy as Spiritual Practice:Rooted in Indiana culture, sports like IU football and basketball provide Rachel Metheny with a joyful respite from the negativity saturating news cycles. She describes intentionally fostering an environment of joy and gratitude within her church, recognizing the therapeutic impact of focusing on what brings happiness and what can be celebrated, especially in worship.Family and Community as Anchors:When asked about meaningful objects, Rachel Metheny points to her family as her true “totem.” She speaks lovingly of their unwavering support—her parents have attended every church she’s served—and how their lessons in joy and community shaped her spirit. This emphasis on connection highlights the podcast’s central theme of interdependence over mere independence.Real Stories of Immigration and Resilience:Drawing from time spent in Guatemala and El Salvador, Rachel Metheny offers a personal lens on the realities faced by immigrants and refugees, explaining how those experiences inform her ministry and advocacy. She describes moments of fear and hope, both among her congregants and within families the church has supported through social service initiatives.Redefining Church and Community:The conversation explores what church truly means, moving past mere attendance to embrace wider spiritual and communal bonds. Both Phil Amerson and Rachel Metheny argue that the heart of church is in shared experiences and relationships—not just buildings or Sunday services—invoking powerful imagery of starting afresh with “a table, a loaf of bread, and a bottle of wine.”Summary:This episode is a testament to the everyday practices that sustain spiritual leaders, the importance of joy and gratitude, and the power of shared journeys—literal and metaphorical. It also invites listeners to rethink church and community as vibrant, living networks of support and hope.Tune in for inspiration, practical wisdom, and heartfelt stories that remind us to celebrate what brings us joy, lean into community, and never underestimate the healing power of a good walk.

In this thought-provoking episode of "To Be snd Do," Phillip Amerson offers a heartfelt reflection on the changing landscape of faith communities. Drawing from recent readings, including John Fugelsang’s Separation of Church and Hate and Ryan Burge’s The Vanishing Church, Phillip Amerson delves into the realities facing mainline churches today. He addresses Burge’s sociological perspective, which centers on the decline of traditional congregations, particularly focusing on Burge’s own experiences as a pastor leading a small American Baptist church that ultimately closed its doors.However, Phillip Amerson challenges the notion that the church’s diminishing numbers are the only story to tell. While acknowledging the accuracy of demographic shifts—such as smaller families and decreasing need for expansive education buildings, a trend that began in the post-war era—he asserts that data doesn’t capture the true essence of what makes faith communities meaningful. Rather than seeing religion as a commodity to be measured, Phillip Amerson urges listeners to view it as a community to be built and nurtured.He highlights examples of congregations across the country, including one attended by his producer, Brad Miller, where growth might be modest but the ministry and sense of hope remain vibrant. The core message is that faith is best understood not in numbers, but in relationships and the transformative power of community. He invokes the biblical narrative, referencing Paul, John, and Peter, to underscore the importance of offering the intangible gifts—faith, love, and transformation—that Christ offers.Key Takeaways:Decline Isn’t the Whole Story: While mainline churches are facing real demographic challenges, this decline doesn’t mean the end of meaningful ministry. Many faith communities continue to thrive in non-traditional ways.Faith as Community, Not Commodity: Phillip Amerson emphasizes that true faith can’t be measured solely by numbers; it’s about the strength and nurture of community, where each member is valued.Hope and Growth Persist: Even in places where attendance is shrinking, ministry and hope abound. Small, slow growth is vital and transformative.Offer What Matters: The real gifts a congregation can offer are not material wealth, but faith, love, and support—the essence of the Gospel message.Listeners are encouraged to seek, nurture, and participate in communities that prioritize offering these gifts, reminding us that the church’s mission is ultimately about transformation, not statistics.

Show Notes: To Be and Do PodcastHost: Phil AmersonGuest: Rachel Metheny, Lead Pastor at Meridian Street United Methodist Church, IndianapolisEpisode Overview:In this thoughtful and energizing episode, Phil Amerson sits down with longtime friend and colleague Rachel Metheny, lead pastor of Meridian Street United Methodist Church in Indianapolis. Their conversation delves deeply into what it means for churches—and church leaders—to be relevant, vibrant, and true to their mission in a time of rapid cultural and societal change. From the unique struggles facing aging congregations to the surprising resurgence of young families and the craving for authentic community, Rachel Metheny shares stories and insights from her decades in ministry.Three Key Takeaways:1. The Power of Tradition Mixed with RelevanceDespite national trends of declining church attendance, Rachel Metheny has witnessed new growth at Meridian Street—especially among younger families. Interestingly, what draws many is not “cool” trends or high-tech worship but rather traditional liturgy and music peppered with honest conversation about relevant issues. Young people expressed appreciation for a worship space that resists screens and bands in favor of classic practices, finding security in ritual while engaging candidly with modern challenges. As Rachel Metheny observes, community members welcomed traditional worship complemented by discussions on justice, inclusion, and contemporary life concerns.2. Community and Connection Trump the Latest Church TrendsBoth speakers reflect on the irony of churches chasing ever-newer strategies—program trends, entertainment, sports leagues—when the true lifeblood of congregational renewal is community. Rachel Metheny shares, “I think there’s a hunger for these young people to be a part of a community... just getting together and eating together.” The simplest acts—sharing meals, supporting one another, showing up—fuel deeper bonds and a spiritual home for many who feel isolated in an increasingly digital world.3. A Shift from Charity to JusticeA new wave of leaders and congregants, especially among young adults, are less interested in traditional “charity” models and more passionate about systemic justice. Rachel Metheny describes how the congregation responded to national immigration issues, organizing not just to give but to act for change. This move toward direct justice work, catalyzed by new, energetic members, reflects a broader generational shift in what it means to live out faith in the world.This episode is a compelling listen for anyone interested in the evolving landscape of faith, community, and what makes church truly matter today. Tune in to hear authentic dialogue, wisdom from years in ministry, and hope for the church’s future.https://www.meridianstreet.org/our-team-opportunities

Host: Phil AmersonThis "Because" episode of "To Be and Do" features Phil Amerson as he shares deeply personal reflections on life, faith, and ministry in the context of responding to challenging events—both locally and nationally. Drawing on memories of ICE raids in Minneapolis and historical tragedies at Kent State and Jackson State, Phil Amerson connects these large-scale events to a pivotal experience in Evansville, Indiana in the late 1980s, centered around a neighborhood’s encounter with the Ku Klux Klan. Through heartfelt storytelling, Phil explores how a faith community can respond thoughtfully and peacefully to hatred and fear.Three Key Takeaways:The Power of Listening to Unexpected VoicesOne of the most impactful moments is when Stella—a neighbor not always regarded as wise—offers the suggestion that the best response to the Klan’s meeting is to attend, pray with those present, and help them reflect quietly. Contrary to more reactive ideas, her approach shifts the atmosphere from confrontation to compassion, demonstrating how powerful it can be to pause and listen to voices that might otherwise be overlooked.Building Relationships and Changing HeartsInstead of protesting loudly, Phil Amerson and his group chose to attend the Klan event, speak calmly, and even sing hymns. This approach led to genuine connections—eventually, Phil befriended one of the Klan members, who began coming to their worship services. Over time, this relationship helped shift the man’s perspective; a year later, he symbolically renounced violence and his Klan membership by placing his revolver and membership card in the offering plate. The story powerfully illustrates that empathy and presence can create openings for transformation in even the most unlikely situations.Faith as a Path to Living DifferentlyThe episode ends with a reminder that people of faith have the opportunity to live differently—by choosing love, hope, and gentle actions instead of responding to fear or hatred with anger. Phil Amerson's narrative encourages listeners to move beyond assumptions and embrace the courage to respond with quiet strength, affirming that relational ministry can lead to impactful change.Tune in to hear how faith, listening, and relationship-building are not just concepts, but practical tools for confronting divisiveness and promoting healing. This episode is a moving story of how ordinary people can make a difference—even in the face of extraordinary challenges.

In this insightful episode of the To Be and Do podcast, host Phil Amerson welcomes back Rev. Dr. Philip Wingeier-Rayo for a deep dive into the historical and current impact of Methodism worldwide, particularly through the lens of education, diversity, and inclusion.Takeaway 1: The Global Legacy of Methodist MissionsPhilip Wingeier-Rayo shares captivating stories from his recent book, “John Wesley and Methodist Missions,” highlighting/logging the surprising roots of Methodism in the Caribbean before it gained a substantial foothold in the United States. Listeners will learn how laypeople, such as Nathaniel Gilbert in Antigua, played critical roles in starting societies across the Western Hemisphere—often before official missionaries set foot there. These mission stories underscore how Methodism spread via local initiative, community-building, and the courage to cross social boundaries.Takeaway 2: Education as Core Methodist IdentityEducation is woven through the DNA of the Methodist movement. Philip Wingeier-Rayo details how Methodists have established over 1,000 educational institutions worldwide, with a focus on serving underserved populations. The conversation touches on the enduring legacy of Methodist colleges, including historically Black colleges in the U.S. and community-focused schools like Lydia Patterson Institute near the U.S.-Mexico border. Their commitment to accessibility and opportunity, he notes, goes all the way back to John Wesley’s earliest days at Oxford. Methodist efforts in education aren’t just historic—they’re still actively building bridges for students everywhere.Takeaway 3: DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion)—Not a Trend, but a TraditionWhile DEI has recently become a politically charged term, the conversation reveals how diversity, equity, and inclusion are not new concepts for Methodists. Philip Wingeier-Rayo points out that Methodist institutions have championed diversity and equal opportunity since their founding, driven by the belief that all are created in God’s image and worthy of full participation in church and society. Even as universities cut back on official DEI programming, United Methodist campus ministries and chaplaincies are increasingly stepping up to provide safe, welcoming, and inclusive spaces for students from all backgrounds.Don’t miss this episode if you’re interested in the intersection of faith, history, education, and justice—or if you want to hear stories that inspire and empower. Make sure to check out Philip Wingeier-Rayo ’s book for an even deeper exploration tenets of Methodist missions.John Wesley and the Origins of Methodist Missions, Nashville: Abingdon Press, 2025.Listen now and join the movement to live out your faith by being and doing good in the world!Philip Wingeier-Rayo serves as Executive Director of Education for the General Board of Higher Education & Ministry of the United Methodist Church. He is also Visiting Professor of Missiology, World Christianity, and Methodist Studies at Wesley, where he teaches courses in mission and evangelism, world Christianity, and Methodist history and doctrine. He served as Dean at Wesley from 2018-2022. Wingeier-Rayo was born in Singapore to missionary parents and grew up in Evanston, Illinois. He earned a double major in Human Relations and Spanish from Earlham College, a M.T.S. from Garrett-Evangelical Theological Seminary, and a M.Th. from Seminario Evangélico de Teología in Cuba before earning a Ph.D. in Theology, Ethics and Culture from Chicago Theological Seminary. His teaching and scholarship is informed by 15 years of missionary service where he served with the General Board of Global Ministries in Nicaragua, Cuba, Mexico and the Rio Grande Valley in south Texas. Wingeier-Rayo has published five books, including Where are the Poor? A Comparison of the Ecclesial Base Communities and Pentecostalism—A Case Study in Cuernavaca, Mexico (Pickwick Publications, 2011) and The Bible Through the Eyes of John Wesley (Upper Room/Discipleship Resources, 2019). His most recent publication is John Wesley and the Origins of Methodist Missions (Abingdon Press, 2025). Wingeier-Rayo and his wife, Diana, reside outside of Washington DC and have three adult children and one son-in-law.Books:John Wesley and the Origins of Methodist Missions, Nashville: Abingdon Press, 2025.La Evangelización y la Misión de Dios: Una Teología Bíblica, Nashville, TN: Wesley’s Foundery Books. 2020.La Biblia a través de los ojos de Juan Wesley: 52 clases de discipulado para pequeños grupos, with foreword by Justo González, Nashville, TN: Upper Room, 2019.Where are the Poor? A Comparison of the Ecclesial Base Communities and Pentecostalism—A Case Study in Cuernavaca, Mexico, Eugene, OR: Pickwick Publications, 2011.Cuban Methodism: The Untold Story of Survival and Revival, Atlanta, GA: Dolphins and Orchids, 2006.

In this powerful and timely episode, host Philip Amerson brings to the forefront pressing concerns about the practices of the Department of Homeland Security and ICE agents in the United States. Through a deeply reflective and faith-centered lens, Philip Amerson discusses the ongoing tension between national security measures and the foundational values of justice, faith, and constitutional rights.The episode opens with Philip Amerson expressing dismay at the “overfunding and overindulgence” of Homeland Security and ICE. He questions why ICE agents are often held to different standards than local police, highlighting issues like anonymity (such as covering faces), lack of body cameras, and absence of identification during enforcement actions. He argues that accountability and transparency should be the minimum expectation for such authorities.Philip Amerson shares sobering stories about ICE’s actions toward faith communities, recounting how agents have detained individuals leaving church and even desecrated sacraments during protests outside detention centers. These narratives, notably involving Christians gathering near detention facilities, make clear his concern that such actions are not only an affront to individual rights but also a direct challenge to the moral and faith-based foundations of these communities.Grounded in both scripture and the U.S. Constitution, Philip Amerson calls people of faith to action, especially during the reflective season of Lent. Referencing the biblical imperative to “love God and love your neighbor,” he encourages listeners to reject authoritarian behaviors in favor of compassion, justice, and faithful witness.Key Takeaway Points:Demand for Accountability: Philip Amerson stresses that ICE agents should be subject to the same standards as local law enforcement, including identification and transparency, as part of democratic accountability.Impact on Faith Communities: The episode vividly details how recent ICE actions have directly targeted worshippers and faith-led protests, challenging listeners to stand up whenever sacred rites and human dignity are threatened.Scriptural and Constitutional Grounds: Philip Amerson argues that both religious teachings and the U.S. Constitution demand more humane, transparent, and just practices from authorities.A Call to Faithful Action: In the spirit of Lent, he urges Christians—and all people of faith—to live out their beliefs by actively resisting injustices and embodying love for both God and neighbor.Join Philip Amerson for an episode that calls us beyond passive concern, stirring empathy and conviction on the pressing issues of justice, accountability, and faith in our public life.

Show Notes: To Be and Do PodcastHost: Philip AmersonGuest: Philip Wingeier-RayoIn this rich and insightful episode of the To Be and Do podcast, Philip Amerson sits down with noted missions scholar Philip Wingeier-Rayo , who brings his decades of experience as a professor at Wesley Seminary and work with the General Board of Higher Education and Ministry. The episode springs from Philip Wingeier-Rayo ’s new book, "John Wesley and the Origins of Methodist Missions," and takes listeners deep into the historical journey of Methodist missions—exploring how the global movement evolved from John Wesley’s origins to its worldwide presence today.Here are three key takeaways from the conversation:1. John Wesley’s Mission Legacy Is More Nuanced Than Many RealizeWhile John Wesley is credited as a founding missionary figure, Philip Wingeier-Rayo clarifies that Wesley’s role as a missionary was complex, even debated (02:52). During his time in Georgia, Wesley was technically called a missionary by others but did not accept a salary, nor did he self-identify with the title. His disappointing and challenging experience in Georgia shaped his later hesitance about engaging in missionary expansion, which influenced the ethos of early Methodism as initially more focused on renewal within the Anglican Church, rather than outward missionary zeal.2. The Spread of Methodism Was Often Grassroots and Lay-LedContrary to popular belief, the explosive spread of Methodism in its early days wasn’t driven top-down by Wesley or denominational authorities. As Philip Wingeier-Rayo describes, laypeople who had caught the "fire" of Methodist faith carried it across oceans, founding societies and requesting support only after establishing local congregations (09:07). Wesley was hesitant and even declined several times to send clergy to support these fledgling communities, a testament to the organic, spirit-led nature of Methodist expansion.3. Education and Experiential Faith Are Interwoven in the Methodist DNAThe Methodist tradition, shaped by Wesley’s experiences and Moravian influence, treasures both "knowledge and vital piety." Philip Wingeier-Rayo highlights compelling stories, such as that of Boston King—a formerly enslaved man who became a missionary in Africa due to Methodist educational efforts—to illustrate how the movement integrated heart and mind in spreading faith and social uplift (14:40). This holistic approach remains central to the Methodist ethos worldwide.Listen in for a truly enlightening conversation about what it means to be and do as part of a global movement shaped by ordinary people, transformative faith, and education.Philip Wingeier-Rayo serves as Executive Director of Education for the General Board of Higher Education & Ministry of the United Methodist Church. He is also Visiting Professor of Missiology, World Christianity, and Methodist Studies at Wesley, where he teaches courses in mission and evangelism, world Christianity, and Methodist history and doctrine. He served as Dean at Wesley from 2018-2022. Wingeier-Rayo was born in Singapore to missionary parents and grew up in Evanston, Illinois. He earned a double major in Human Relations and Spanish from Earlham College, a M.T.S. from Garrett-Evangelical Theological Seminary, and a M.Th. from Seminario Evangélico de Teología in Cuba before earning a Ph.D. in Theology, Ethics and Culture from Chicago Theological Seminary. His teaching and scholarship is informed by 15 years of missionary service where he served with the General Board of Global Ministries in Nicaragua, Cuba, Mexico and the Rio Grande Valley in south Texas. Wingeier-Rayo has published five books, including Where are the Poor? A Comparison of the Ecclesial Base Communities and Pentecostalism—A Case Study in Cuernavaca, Mexico (Pickwick Publications, 2011) and The Bible Through the Eyes of John Wesley (Upper Room/Discipleship Resources, 2019). His most recent publication is John Wesley and the Origins of Methodist Missions (Abingdon Press, 2025). Wingeier-Rayo and his wife, Diana, reside outside of Washington DC and have three adult children and one son-in-law.Books:John Wesley and the Origins of Methodist Missions, Nashville: Abingdon Press, 2025.La Evangelización y la Misión de Dios: Una Teología Bíblica, Nashville, TN: Wesley’s Foundery Books.2020.La Biblia a través de los ojos de Juan Wesley: 52 clases de discipulado para pequeños grupos, withforeword by Justo González, Nashville, TN: Upper Room, 2019.Where are the Poor? A Comparison of the Ecclesial Base Communities and Pentecostalism—A Case Study in Cuernavaca, Mexico, Eugene, OR: Pickwick Publications, 2011.Cuban Methodism: The Untold Story of Survival and Revival, Atlanta, GA: Dolphins and Orchids,2006.Be sure to check out Philip Wingeier-Rayo 's new book for deeper insights and stay tuned for more inspiring episodes!

In this enlightening Because for Lent 2026 episode of To Be and Do, host Philip Amerson reflects on the evolving landscape of education, morality, and the role of faith organizations. Drawing inspiration from an article by Jay Caspian Kang, Philip Amerson challenges listeners to reconsider where our values and sense of morality are truly cultivated, especially during the Lenten season.Here are three key takeaways from the episode:1. Universities Aren’t the Sole Keepers of MoralityPhilip Amerson explores Kang’s provocative assertion that universities have replaced the church as homes for liberal morality. He clarifies that “liberal” here refers not to politics, but to wide-mindedness and the ability to see the broader picture. Yet, he warns that universities may not be doing enough to truly shape morality, especially in ways that resonate beyond academia. Instead, the detachment from deeper ethical foundations, such as those taught by spiritual traditions, reveals a gap in how values are being passed on.2. The Church’s Influence Is Alive and VitalReferencing the often-exaggerated rumors about the church’s decline, Philip Amerson humorously nods to Mark Twain’s famous quip about the rumors of his death. He asserts that mainline, Catholic, and evangelical Christianity are far from lifeless, and that there's “plenty of wiggle in our life.” Faith communities remain active and resilient, offering crucial guidance and support to those seeking moral clarity in today’s uncertain environment.3. Morality Needs Nurturing—Inside and Outside InstitutionsPhilip Amerson encourages listeners, especially during Lent, to nurture their spirits both individually and through participation in congregations or parishes. He stresses that our society needs a morality shaped not just by universities (which themselves face threats), but also by communities rooted in faith and the teachings of figures like Jesus of Nazareth. Universities can provide helpful tools and knowledge, but shouldn’t be trusted as the ultimate source of ethical guidance.Final Thought:This episode is a call to examine how we form our values, drawing from both educational and spiritual traditions. Philip Amerson reminds us that moral leadership is a shared responsibility—and that faith communities continue to play a crucial role for anyone seeking to live with integrity and purpose.Tune in for thoughtful reflections on education, morality, and the ongoing impact of faith in society.

In this episode, Philip Amerson welcomes Bob Hill, Dean of Marsh Chapel at Boston University and professor at the School of Theology, for a thoughtful conversation about the evolving landscape of theological education, the unique depth of the Gospel of John, and the ongoing importance of parish ministry and pastoral leadership. Their friendly and insightful exchange brims with wisdom from decades in ministry and teaching, and offers encouragement for all who care about the future of church life and theological reflection.Three Key Takeaways from the Episode:1. Theological Education is Evolving, but its Foundations Remain VitalBob Hill and Philip Amerson reminisce about their long involvement in theological education, noting the ever-shifting context and the valuable constancy of scriptural engagement. Bob Hill shares that despite changes in student demographics and interests, there remains a “fascination for the scripture and with and in the scripture.” Faculty at Boston University, both longstanding and new, bring energy and global perspectives, ensuring that students continue to wrestle with pivotal texts and ideas. The episode highlights the importance of not just academic study but also spiritual and pastoral formation for future church leaders.2. The Gospel of John: Embracing Difference and DepthA portion of the conversation dives into the uniqueness of the Gospel of John. Bob Hill reveals that the one word he wants his students to remember is “different,” emphasizing the Gospel's mysterious and multi-layered nature. Both speakers reflect on the many “twists and turns” in Johannine literature and encourage new and seasoned readers alike to remain open to the Gospel’s depths, rather than simply seeking quick summaries or easy conclusions. This approach, they argue, mirrors the complexity and wonder at the heart of faith.3. Reclaiming the ‘Romance’ and Civic Power of Parish MinistryThe episode addresses changing attitudes toward parish ministry, as fewer students pursue traditional parish roles. Yet both Philip Amerson and Bob Hill make a compelling case for the privilege and beauty of local church leadership, describing it as an opportunity to “speak about what we don’t speak enough about in civil society.” They also highlight the role of clergy as “citizen advocates,” nurturing civil society and providing a grounding, hopeful voice in times of change and resistance. The conversation ends with an appreciation for poetry’s power to nourish the soul and sustain hope.To Be and Do continues to offer thoughtful dialogue for those engaged in ministry, theological study, and the life of the church. This episode is rich with practical wisdom, inspiration, and a spirit of honest, hopeful inquiry.

OverviewIn this short but meaningful “Because” episode, Phil Amerson invites listeners to reflect on the start of the Lenten season, centering the conversation on what it truly means to be in community, both within a local church and in our personal spiritual journeys. With heartfelt honesty, he shares his personal practices and previews engaging voices for upcoming episodes who will help deepen our understanding of parish life, preaching, and global missions.Three Takeaways1. Reimagining Lent and Parish InvolvementPhil Amerson opens up about the temptation many face to simply "watch church" at home and challenges us to engage more deeply with a local congregation or parish. He gently nudges listeners to consider their place within a faith community—not just as observers, but as participants actively involved in ministry and mutual support. This focus sets the tone for the Lenten season as an opportunity to return to foundational experiences of worship, preaching, and collective renewal.2. Lent as a Time for Spiritual Reflection and Letting GoA major theme of this episode is intentional reflection and the practice of letting go. Phil Amerson shares his own decision to step away from social media—deactivating his Facebook account—as an act of making space for prayer, reading, and rest. He encourages listeners to consider what they might “put down” during Lent, suggesting that the season is less about arbitrary self-denial and more about carving out time for what matters most: spiritual growth, a renewed relationship with God, and focusing on truly important things.3. Embracing Grace and Moving Away from Performance-Based TheologyA powerful segment in the episode is Phil Amerson’s call to set aside “lousy theology” that centers on the idea of earning salvation. He reminds listeners that the core of Christian faith is recognizing that God’s love and acceptance are already present—not something to be achieved through our efforts. The real invitation, as Phil puts it, is to “live as if God loves us,” trusting in grace and turning toward renewal and transformation, both individually and as faith communities.Coming Up Next:Stay tuned for conversations with future guests, including Dr. Bob Hill (Dean, Marsh Chapel at Boston University), Philip Wengai Ruo (global missions author), Rachel Matheny (pastor at Meridian Street UMC), and Tim Sorens (Executive Director, Parish Collective). Their insights will deepen our exploration of what it means to be and do in faith, ministry, and beyond.Thanks for listening to “To Be snd Do.” May this Lenten season inspire you to find your place—in church, community, and soul.

To Be and Do PodcastHosts: Philip AmersonGuest: Bob HillIn this heartfelt episode of the To Be and Do Podcast, Philip Amerson welcomes Bob Hill, Dean of Marsh Chapel and Professor of New Testament and Pastoral Theology at Boston University School of Theology. The conversation is rich in warmth, humor, and insights, exploring the role of university chaplaincy, the state of mainline Christianity, and the vital importance of honest and hopeful preaching in today’s world.We begin with light banter—Indiana University colors, snow in Bloomington, and the legacy of great preaching. Philip Amerson shares how he and his wife tune in to hear Bob Hill’s sermons, emphasizing the significant impact that thoughtful preaching has on their Sunday ritual. This sets the stage for a deep dive into the unique challenges and joys of serving as Dean at Marsh Chapel within a multi-faith university environment.Key Takeaways:The Power of Consistent Preaching:Bob Hill underscores how essential the weekly act of preaching is—a “fine sermon, 22 minutes of hope and honesty,” delivered every seven days, can be transformative for both the preacher and the congregation. He encourages preachers to find strength in this rhythm, knowing their quiet, steady work is deeply valued.Community and Connection Matter:Through a personal story about his sixth-grade teacher visiting him during a difficult time, Bob Hill reveals the restorative power of caring community. The episode reminds us that ministry isn’t just about Sunday sermons but about small acts of presence and kindness, especially around shared grief.Challenges of Mainline Christianity:The decline of mainline church membership and the shift toward management—rather than genuine community—is discussed. Both Philip Amerson and Bob Hill reflect on how excellence in preaching and authentic connection can help restore hope in these traditions.Honesty and Hope in the Pulpit:In a time marked by political and cultural challenges, Bob Hill shares his commitment to combining “brutal honesty” about societal realities with “unflinching hope” in his sermons. He acknowledges the tension between these values but insists the church must hold them in balance.As the episode wraps, listeners are invited to join Marsh Chapel’s services online, especially if they find themselves snowed in or searching for a word of hope. The episode stands as a testament to the enduring significance of faith, preaching, and community—and the voices who keep these alive.Links to Bob Hill’s books and work will be shared on the podcast blog.

Show Notes: To Be snd Do In this heartfelt "Because" episode of "To Be and Do," Philip Amerson explores the current reality of the American church, drawing insights from books and sociological perspectives while offering a message of hope. The conversation is anchored by reflections on Ryan Burge's newest book, The Vanishing Church, and the shifting role of faith communities in today's society.Episode Summary:Philip Amerson opens by sharing two books that have been making an impact in discussions around faith in America—Separation of Church and Hate by John Fugelsang and The Vanishing Church by Ryan Burge. He dives deeper into Burge's analysis, bringing his own critique and optimism to the conversation. While acknowledging the decline in mainline churches and reflecting on changes since the mid-20th century, Philip Amerson offers a counter-narrative grounded in the ongoing, meaningful work of congregations nationwide.Three Key Takeaways:Changing Demographics Shaped Church Growth and DeclinePhilip Amerson points out that the rise and fall of mainline church attendance is strongly tied to broader sociological shifts. After World War II, churches flourished due to larger families and increased community focus (01:44). But as family sizes shrank in subsequent decades, the physical and social structures of churches had to adapt—highlighting the importance of context in understanding religious trends.Faith Communities Are More Than CommoditiesChallenging the tendency to measure church health only through numbers, Philip Amerson urges listeners to see faith as a community to be built rather than a commodity to be counted (02:29). He stresses that the deep, transformative work of congregations isn’t always captured by statistics, and that real growth and hope exist in places where faith is nurtured as a communal experience.A Message of Hope: Slow Growth, Deep ImpactDespite data showing decline, Philip Amerson believes there are many churches quietly thriving through small, steady steps. He references the ministry of Rev. Dr. Brad Miller and other congregations as examples of hope and meaningful change (02:43). The episode closes with a reminder that what churches offer—faith, love, and transformation—cannot be measured in gold or silver, but in the value they bring to lives and communities.Tune in for an uplifting exploration of the complexities facing today’s church, a critical look at statistical analyses, and encouraging stories of faith in action.

In this timely and candid episode of the To Be and Do podcast, host Philip Amerson sits down with immigration attorney Christie Popp to unpack the evolving—and often alarming—landscape of asylum and immigration policy in the U.S. today. Christie Popp, a founding attorney at Popp and Bullman in Bloomington, Indiana, offers a rare, ground-level view into the lives affected by shifting regulations, political pressure, and the consequences of silence in times of injustice.The episode dives headlong into the unsettling reality of frequent immigration law changes. Christie Popp points out that nearly 600 modifications to the immigration system have occurred in just over a year, particularly impacting asylum seekers and immigration courts. She highlights how these changes, rarely covered in-depth by mainstream media, are shifting the "rules of the game" even as vulnerable individuals' cases are pending, creating both logistical hurdles and a culture of fear.A significant portion of the conversation centers on the particular struggles of Afghans, many of whom were allies to U.S. forces and entered the country through both formal and perilous, unofficial routes. Christie Popp details how these individuals—once celebrated—are now viewed with suspicion. Their cases, along with others, are subject to delays and retroactive review, subjecting them to potential loss of status and deportation on tenuous grounds—often for actions they had no real choice but to take.The discussion broadens to address the chilling effect these policies have on free speech and public protest, especially among immigrants, academics, and their allies. The fear of being detained or targeted for voicing dissent is stifling civic engagement, even among those who are U.S. citizens. Both Philip Amerson and Christie Popp reflect on why these authoritarian patterns haven't sparked more outcry from the public and government leaders.Despite the weighty subject matter, Christie Popp offers ways to take meaningful action—supporting local organizations, contacting representatives, and lending both time and resources are all encouraged. She also shares her personal strategies for maintaining resilience and hope in such difficult work.Key Takeaways:Constantly Shifting Laws: The immigration system is changing at an unprecedented pace, making asylum increasingly inaccessible and causing confusion for both immigrants and advocates.Afghan Allies at Risk: Many Afghan asylum seekers, previously welcomed as allies, now face suspicion, paused applications, and retrospective investigations that could result in deportation.Chilling Effect on Free Speech: Fear of detention or deportation is silencing many immigrants and their allies, undermining not only immigrant rights but also America's broader democratic ideals.How to Help: Local and national organizations need support more than ever, and individual advocacy—through donations, volunteering, or political engagement—can have a significant impact.Staying Resilient:Christie Poppemphasizes the importance of self-care and community, encouraging listeners to seek sources of hope and to care for themselves as they work for justice.This episode is a vital listen for anyone concerned about the state of immigration, human rights, and democracy in the United States.https://poppbullman.com/christie-popp/contact-christie/

In this moving episode of “To Be and Do,” Philip Amerson shares a poignant reflection on faith, community, and the power of quiet resistance. Drawing from personal memories and the events in Minneapolis, Philip Amerson recounts a stirring story from Evansville, Indiana in the late 1980s. When the Ku Klux Klan attempted to sow fear and division following attacks in his neighborhood, Philip Amerson and his group, Patchwork Ministries, faced a decision that would test their commitment to faith and peaceful action.Three Key Takeaways:Gentle Resistance Can Bring Peace:Instead of protesting the Klan’s meeting using loud opposition, the faith group opted for Stella’s simple yet profound suggestion: attend the meeting, pray with people, and respond in quiet kindness. This approach, driven by empathy and faith, diffused tensions in the sanctuary and allowed attendees to see one another more clearly—reminding us that sometimes, the most transformative action is the calmest.Relationships Transform Lives:After reaching out and building relationships—even with those involved in hate groups—Philip Amerson witnessed the power of connection. Inspired by advice from Will Campbell to learn the names of Klan members and treat them as individuals, Philip Amerson eventually saw a young Klan member become a regular attendee at worship. The act of acceptance and understanding paved the way for unexpected transformation.Faith in Action Means Living Differently:The story reaches its emotional climax when the young man drops his revolver and Klan membership card into the offering plate—a symbol of profound personal change. This powerful moment underscores Philip Amerson’s central message: as people of faith, we are called to live differently, building bridges through compassion, prayer, and hope. Small acts of kindness can not only defuse hate but invite healing and redemption.Memorable Quotes:“Sometimes the message we share is one that is built around building a relationship and touching people gently and quietly…”“God bless you, just because we have the opportunity to live differently as people of faith.”Tune in for this heartfelt narrative exploring the subtle strength of faith and the capacity for redemption in every human encounter.

Show Notes: To Be and Do Podcast In this eye-opening episode of the To Be and Do podcast, hosts Philip Amerson and Phil Emerson sit down with attorney Christie Popp, a founding partner at Popp and Bullman Law Offices, to demystify the realities of immigration law and its intersection with current U.S. judicial practices. Christie Popp offers a candid, accessible overview of how immigration enforcement really works and the everyday injustices faced by immigrants—especially in Indiana and the broader United States. Whether you’re new to these topics or seeking a deeper understanding, this conversation sheds light on critical, often-misunderstood issues within our legal system.Three Major Takeaways1. The True Nature of ICE and Immigration EnforcementChristie Popp breaks down the role of ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement), clarifying that—contrary to common public perception—most immigration violations are civil, not criminal offenses. ICE operates differently from standard law enforcement: they don’t require a judge’s warrant to detain someone suspected of an immigration violation. Instead, a supervising ICE official alone can authorize an arrest, a stark departure from the checks and balances traditional police must follow. This gray area results in practices that skirt constitutional protections and often target individuals based on ethnicity or language.2. The Problem with Immigration Holds and Local EnforcementThe conversation delves into how local jails interact with ICE through what are called “immigration holds.” Christie Popp underscores that ICE can request local jails to detain individuals—who have already been cleared for release—for up to 48 hours purely on suspicion of a civil immigration violation. This practice leads to unconstitutional detention for civil (not criminal) reasons, trapping many non-violent individuals, often arrested for minor infractions like driving without a license, in a complicated legal web. The system is deeply flawed, as it penalizes people on civil grounds and disproportionately affects Latino communities.3. Economic Hardships Within the Detention SystemBeyond legal injustices, Christie Popp highlights the pervasive economic burdens placed on detained individuals. Many face exorbitant fees for basic necessities—such as phone calls or commissary items—in jail, and those in immigration detention centers often perform mandatory labor despite having committed no crime. These policies not only capitalize on vulnerable populations but also underscore how the criminal and immigration systems have become increasingly punitive, even toward those who are simply seeking a better life.Key Quote:“ICE is really supposed to be a civil enforcement agency; they don’t get warrants from the court... The only person who is signing off on the arrest is a supervising official within the agency.” — Christie PoppFurther Resources:Check the episode’s website for additional materials and YouTube links referenced by Philip Amerson and Christie Popp.Don’t miss this essential listen if you want to better understand the complexities of immigration law and the often-unseen obstacles faced by immigrants in America today.https://poppbullman.com/christie-popp/contact-christie/

In this heartful episode of To Be and Do, host Philip Amerson welcomes back Mark Feldmeir, lead pastor at St. Andrew United Methodist Church in Highlands Ranch, Colorado, and author of Life After God: Finding Faith When You Can't Believe Anymore. Their conversation invites listeners into a rich exploration of where joy is found in our lives, what it means to serve, and the importance of purpose, even amid life's challenges.After opening with a charming story of conversing with statues on the campus of Indiana University, Philip Amerson pivots to a powerful question he’s asked others: “What brings you joy?” This moment sets the tone for the episode, prompting Mark Feldmeir to distinguish between happiness—a fleeting, circumstantial feeling—and joy, which he sees as enduring and deeply rooted in meaningful service.The journey of the episode travels through stories of "good tired," the type of exhaustion that comes from giving oneself to a purpose larger than the self. Mark Feldmeier shares a vivid memory from a mission trip, where circumstances were less than ideal, yet the experience of serving and persevering fostered an unshakable sense of joy. This leads to a broader reflection on the "tug between joy and exhaustion" that defines much of modern life, especially for those in calling-centered work.Mark's reading habits offer another window into his approach to growth and inspiration. He discusses maintaining a robust reading practice—even through demanding seasons—and credits mentors and writers for shaping his preaching and language. This episode pays homage to the power of words, poetry, and stories to form us, both in the pulpit and in everyday life.Near the close, listeners are offered a glimpse into the objects that keep Mark Feldmeier grounded: a labyrinth coaster reminding him that the journey is more important than the endpoint, and a Camino tile symbolizing trust in the next step rather than the entire plan—a perfect metaphor for faith and life.Key Takeaways:Joy transcends circumstances: Rather than fleeting happiness, lasting joy often emerges from connecting our sense of purpose with service to others.Service and calling sustain us: Even during exhaustion and adversity, being rooted in a mission larger than ourselves offers resilience and hope.Reading shapes language and leadership: Ongoing learning and exposure to great literature deepen the artistry and effectiveness of communication, whether in sermons or in daily life.Symbols help orient our journey: Objects or reminders—a labyrinth, a Camino tile—can anchor us and illustrate that the journey itself is formative.Find meaning in the journey: We don’t need to know every step of the path; faithfully taking the next turn can be enough for progress and growth.This thoughtful exchange is both grounding and uplifting, inviting listeners to reflect on where joy comes from, how to serve with purpose, and how to walk the journey of faith and life with authenticity and hope.For more conversations like this, subscribe to To Be and Do and join us on the journey of becoming and doing with joy.https://www.markfeldmeir.com/

In this thought-provoking episode of "To Be and Do," host Philip Amerson reflects on the critical vocation of faith leaders, peeling back the layers of what it means to serve as a pastor today. The discussion centers around the need for genuine encouragement and support among clergy, especially in a landscape that often prioritizes performance, competition, and constant improvement over authentic connection.Philip Amerson opens with heartfelt acknowledgment of pastors—those performing "heavy lifting work" that often goes unseen and underappreciated. He describes clergy as "first responders" in their communities, present at moments of crisis before official authorities: in hospitals, homes, and places of pain or transition. Drawing from personal experience, Philip Amerson observes that, while pastors are constantly offered courses and resources to "improve" their leadership, the core need for many is simply encouragement and collegial support.A significant point in the episode is Philip Amerson’s critique of contemporary denominational life, specifically within United Methodism. He laments the shift away from networks of mutual support and toward models that inadvertently foster competition—measuring success by church growth and flashy programs rather than by compassionate ministry and care for one another.As a remedy, Philip Amerson extends a personal invitation to pastors seeking renewal and meaningful connections. He highlights the upcoming We Belong Retreat, a unique three-day gathering in New Harmony, Indiana, designed for pastors and faith leaders to experience true belonging and re-energize for their ministry. The retreat, scheduled for April 13–16, 2026, is offered free of charge for invited guests and promises a supportive environment centered on rest, community, and affirmation.Key Takeaways:Pastors are “first responders” for emotional, spiritual, and communal crises, sometimes arriving before medical or law enforcement professionals.Faith leaders need encouragement and connection more than constant advice to “improve”—sometimes a simple thank you goes a long way.Denominations have moved away from fostering collegiality and now often pit pastors against one another, focusing on growth and programming over relationship.Opportunities like the “We Belong Retreat” can provide much-needed spaces for rest, renewal, and authentic connection among clergy.Listeners are encouraged to share this invitation with pastors who might benefit and reach out directly toPhilip Amerson. [email protected] more information.If you know a faith leader who could use a boost of support, or you’re curious about how meaningful connections can transform ministry, this episode is a warm reminder of the enduring importance of community. Reach out to Philip Amerson or pass along the details—let’s help our faith leaders be renewed and well cared [email protected]

Host: Philip AmersonDr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s legacy and the courageous act of Rosa Parks inspire this reflective episode of the To Be snd Do podcast, hosted by Philip Amerson. Titled “Because Moments,” this brief yet potent segment dives into themes of civil rights, nonviolent resistance, and the ongoing struggle against society’s “triple evils”: racism, poverty, and militarism. Through historical context and heartfelt storytelling, Philip Amerson calls listeners to action, reminding us of the enduring power found in collective resistance, wisdom, and love.Key Takeaways:1. Dr. King’s ‘Triple Evils’ Remain Interconnected BarriersPhilip Amerson revisits Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s pivotal address at Riverside Church, which identified racism, poverty, and militarism as the “triple evils” of society. These interconnected issues still shape our communities, standing as formidable obstacles to achieving the “beloved community” where all belong. The episode invites listeners to reflect on how these evils show up today and emphasizes the need for comprehensive responses rooted in justice and compassion.2. Rosa Parks’ Dignified Defiance Demonstrates Collective PowerThe story of Rosa Parks is recounted — not as an isolated moment, but as a catalyst for mass movement. When Parks calmly resisted segregation by asserting, “you may do that,” she shifted the power dynamic via her words and stance. Philip Amerson highlights that she was not alone; her action symbolically carried the strength of her ancestors and was supported by thousands who joined her in defiance. This moment of nonviolent resistance points to the power individuals have when they act in concert with community and history.3. Nonviolent, Loving Resistance Is Needed TodayConnecting past struggles to current realities, Philip Amerson addresses the ongoing challenges of militarization and brutality, especially at borders and within marginalized communities. He calls listeners to peaceful resistance, inspired by the legacy of Parks and Dr. King—urging us to “stand, and as we’re standing, gently say, ‘you may do that, but we’re not going to follow this nonsense any longer.’” The episode encourages building a beloved community through nonviolent, loving action rooted in solidarity.Closing Thoughts:Philip Amerson ends with a blessing and a reminder: each listener is part of God’s beloved community. As we honor those who came before us, we’re called to keep resisting injustice—together, with steadfast love and dignity.

In this poignant "'Because" episode of the "To Be snd Do" podcast Philip Amerson takes listeners through a raw and deeply personal reflection on violence, protest, and the necessity of compassionate dialogue in times of national turmoil. Centered around the tragic killing of Alex Jeffrey Pretti, an ICU nurse in Minneapolis, Philip Amerson draws connections between recent events and historic moments of unrest, reminding us that history’s lessons are powerful guides.Three Key Takeaways1. The Tragedy of Unjust Violence and Its Chilling FamiliarityPhilip Amerson opens by recounting the killing of Alex Jeffrey Pretti, emphasizing the senselessness and horror that surrounds the event. The choice to help others, as Pretti did, should never carry the risk of violence, yet this episode laments that “something about this is emotionally familiar.” The host links this sadness and outrage to his memories of the Kent State shootings, suggesting that our society remains haunted by cycles of violence against protest and compassionate action.2. The Value of Loving, Difficult ConversationsA moving portion of the episode describes Philip Amerson’s late-night conversation with his father following Kent State. Though they didn’t persuade one another to change sides, it was the act of staying up, sharing vulnerability and grief, that mattered most. This reflection is a call for connection over confrontation—a plea for more “all night stay ups” to overcome what he calls “this new ice age” of alienation and divisiveness.3. Hope in Peacemaking and Shared HumanityThe episode closes on a note of hope, drawing on the Beatitudes, “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be known as the children of God.” Citing theologian Walter Brueggemann, Philip Amerson sets an intention for the future: to seek peace, find common ground, and believe in the possibility of reconciliation, even as we acknowledge the depth of our losses.SummaryThrough personal memory and public tragedy, Philip Amerson weaves a narrative of heartbreak, empathy, and hope. This episode invites listeners to engage in difficult conversations, to recognize familiar patterns of injustice, and to recommit themselves to the work of peacemaking in everyday life. In times that seem frozen in conflict, faith in dialogue and humanity lights the way forward.

In this powerful episode of To Be and Do, host Philip Amerson sits down with Reverend Mark Feldmeir, lead pastor at St. Andrew United Methodist Church in Highlands Ranch, Colorado, to discuss faith’s evolving landscape, the sacred weight of preaching in turbulent times, and the importance of forging genuine community response in the wake of tragedy.Mark Feldmeir, known for his insightful preaching and recently published book “Life After Finding Faith, When You Can't Believe Anymore,” shares honest reflections on faith’s deconstruction and reconstruction, the responsibilities of pastoral leadership, and how churches can become beacons of healing for hurting communities.Three Takeaways:1. Deconstruction as a Journey, Not a Threat Mark Feldmeir challenges the negative perceptions surrounding faith deconstruction, reframing it as a necessary process for authentic belief. He unpacks how generational images of God—sometimes inherited from classical theology and tainted by concepts of divine aloofness or authoritarianism—can stifle authentic spiritual growth. By reimagining God through more relational, persuasive images, individuals and congregations can find new ways to engage faith meaningfully in a modern world that desperately needs it.2. Preaching in a Changing World The conversation addresses the evolving nature of preaching in the 21st century—the tension between tradition and innovation. While Mark Feldmeir acknowledges the growing influence of new media and creative formats, he argues that preaching’s “incarnational” quality—showing up, telling the stories, and holding the real-life experiences of congregants—is irreplaceable. Even when sermons take new forms, the fundamental need for honest, present, and dialogical preaching remains as essential as ever.3. Pastoral Leadership Beyond the Pulpit Perhaps most movingly, Mark Feldmeir describes the importance of pastoral presence during times of communal trauma, like school shootings. The role expands far beyond Sunday sermons—it means being a visible, reliable source of comfort, helping to organize tangible support, and creating safe spaces for healing. He shares firsthand stories from his own experience, including how St. Andrew became a hub for crisis response. In these pivotal moments, faith communities offer not just words, but the empowering gift of presence and belonging.Don’t Miss:Practical wisdom for anyone re-examining the faith they grew up withHonest insights on preaching’s futureStories of hope, challenge, and communal healingCheck out Mark Feldmeir’s book, revisit past sermons on the St. Andrew United Methodist Church website, and stay tuned for the next episode, where the conversation will turn toward joy and resilience.Listen in for a conversation that’s both timely and timeless—helping us all learn more fully what it means to be, and to do.https://www.markfeldmeir.com/

Because:In this thoughtful and timely episode of To Be and Do, Philip Amerson offers a reflection on where we are as a society in January 2026, with particular attention to the legacy and continued relevance of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. As we navigate celebrations of Dr. King’s birthday and confront ongoing social issues, Philip Amerson challenges listeners to consider the depth of our ethical commitments and the collective work still needed around race, community, and justice.Three Takeaways from the Episode:1. Dr. King’s Message Is More Relevant Than EverPhilip Amerson reminds us that Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. called racism an international problem, not just an issue confined to the United States. Citing King’s sobering words from “Where Do We Go From Chaos or Community?”, the episode highlights how progress towards equality requires global awareness, humility, and urgency—before history repeats itself with a cruel, "too late."2. Ethical Questions for Today’s LeadersThe episode doesn’t shy away from asking tough questions. Philip Amerson calls on political leaders, from governors to the president, to make clear the moral or ethical basis for their policies—especially regarding race, immigration, and distribution of resources. He encourages all of us, regardless of faith tradition, to examine whether our actions are guided by deeper values or shaped by historic biases.3. Faith and Community Require Collective ActionDrawing on the Lord’s Prayer, Philip Amerson underscores that authentic faith isn’t only personal. The emphasis is on “our Father”—signifying shared responsibility and mutual care. Whether through Christianity, Judaism, Islam, or secular ethics, the call remains the same: to love God and neighbor, dismantling barriers that perpetuate division and injustice.Final Thoughts:As we mark Dr. King’s birthday, Philip Amerson leaves us with a reminder that lasting change is a daily commitment, not just an annual occasion. The episode concludes with hope, warmth, and an invitation to community—a “cup of love and laughter” over coffee—urging listeners to continue the work with both conviction and kindness.Don’t miss this meaningful reflection on justice, faith, and what it means to truly live for others.

In this heartfelt episode of To Be and Do, host Philip Amerson sits down with longtime friend and folk musician Ed Kilbourne—who reflects on his journey from a missionary kid to a highly respected figure in progressive Christian circles. Together, they offer candid insights on leaving behind rigid church traditions, the evolution of faith, and the unexpected joys of serving others with authenticity.Three Key Takeaways:The Complex Journey Away from Evangelicalism Both Philip Amerson and Ed Kilbourne share personal stories of growing up in deeply religious environments, only to find themselves at odds with the evolving spirit of evangelicalism. Philip Amerson notes the increasing authoritarianism and mean-spiritedness he sees today, contrasting it with earlier years that, while exclusionary, seemed less cruel. Ed Kilbourne is open about stepping away from the church for similar reasons, preferring to be called a "believer" but not necessarily a "Christian" by today's standards. The pain of leaving a spiritual home is explored honestly, highlighting the real sense of loss that accompanies such a transition.The Power of Storytelling and Progressive TheologyEd Kilbourne discovered that his true calling lay not in performing for teenagers or leading worship, but in storytelling for senior adults. He describes how sharing honest, nuanced stories in adult vacation Bible schools became a safe space for exploring progressive theology—far more effective than traditional sermons. By embedding challenging ideas within engaging anecdotes, Ed Kilbourne is able to foster meaningful reflection and connection without confrontation.Embracing Authenticity and New Beginnings The episode also shines a light on the importance of authenticity and humility in spiritual leadership. Ed Kilbourne speaks with admiration—and a touch of amusement—about how his wife Kathleen now outshines him at their adult vacation Bible schools with her intimate, unscripted approach. The conversation closes with Ed Kilbourne introducing the song he hopes will be played at his funeral, poignantly reminding listeners that, ultimately, it’s about relationships, kindness, and living truthfully.Listen in for an honest and often humorous exploration of faith, change, and finding your purpose later in life. And if you’re intrigued by the idea of adult vacation church school, stay tuned for details on how to get involved—and maybe even meet Kathleen!https://edkilbourne.com/

Welcome to another thoughtful episode of To Be and Do with Phil Amerson at the helm. In this inspiring installment, Phil invites us to reconsider the environments we nurture—not just the natural world, but the “ecology of faith” that shapes our spiritual and communal lives. Through personal anecdotes and keen observations, the discussion challenges us to rethink how we engage with differences within our faith communities and beyond.Here are three key takeaways from the episode:1. Rethinking the Church as an “Aquarium”Phil Amerson provocatively discusses how many perceive Christianity or church life as an “aquarium”—a closed system where “predator fish” consume the smaller, weaker members. He urges listeners to reject this “backward” approach, insisting that faith is intended to be expansive, welcoming, and interconnected. Citing John Wesley’s famous line, “The world is my parish,” Phil laments how this creed has sometimes been reversed, with people shrinking their worlds down to their local parishes and drawing too many boundaries.2. The Lost Art of Community Conversations Reflecting on his upbringing in Indiana, Phil Amerson nostalgically recalls the rich, lively conversations that happened after church—in parking lots, over trivial debates about sports and ice cream, but also across political divides. These moments fostered a sense of belonging and openness, illustrating an “ecology” big enough to hold different perspectives without division or hostility.3. Embracing Difference with Grace A major theme in this episode is the importance of engaging with those whom we disagree. Phil Amerson notes a troubling trend of “predator Christianity”—where difference leads to exclusion. Instead, he invites listeners to have open, gracious conversations with those of divergent views, full of welcome and laughter. He reminds us that “the earth is the Lord’s and the fullness thereof”—including people with whom we might never see eye to eye.To Be and Do challenges listeners to pursue a larger, holistic faith community, where dialogue and difference are not threats but opportunities for growth. Take time this week to foster one of those open, respectful conversations with someone who sees the world differently than you do. As Phil Amerson says, maybe it’s time to bring back the laughter and curiosity that come with truly listening to one another.God bless, and thanks for listening!

Welcome to this special introductory episode of “To Be and Do” with your host, Phil Amerson. In this brief but engaging segment, Phil Amerson gives listeners an exciting look at what’s on the horizon for the podcast in the coming months—promising a season filled with compelling conversations, inspiring guests, and thoughtful exploration of faith, community, and service.Phil Amerson starts by sharing the lineup for upcoming episodes, offering a preview of the fascinating individuals who will be joining him. First up is Ed Kilbourne, a beloved storyteller and musician whose recent work focuses on “senior Vacation Church school” programs for older adults—an initiative growing in popularity across the Southeast. Ed’s visits are marked by stories, music, and plenty of joy, so listeners can expect an episode full of heart and laughter.Following Ed, Phil Amerson will welcome Mark Feldmeier, pastor of St. Andrew United Methodist Church in Highlands Ranch, Colorado. Phil Amerson praises Mark as one of the finest preachers in North America, someone who brings skill and insight to the pulpit week after week. Their conversation will delve into the art of preaching and the ongoing role of faith leaders in today’s world.Listeners can also look forward to an episode with Christy Popp, a Bloomington-based immigration attorney who works closely with families navigating the country’s ever-changing immigration policies. Phil Amerson acknowledges the unpredictability and challenges faced by documented immigrants, and Christy’s perspective promises to illuminate pressing social justice issues and the human stories behind policy changes.The show will further explore ministry and leadership with guests such as Rachel Matheny, pastor at Meridian Street United Methodist Church in Indianapolis, and Jim Harnish, a prolific author and former pastor of Hyde Park Church in Tampa. They’ll share their experiences on preaching, church leadership, and service.Rounding out the upcoming episodes is Tim Sorens from the Parish Collective, an organization focused on creatively engaging clergy and communities, particularly in urban areas.Takeaways:A Season of Inspiration: The upcoming episodes are packed with knowledgeable, passionate guests from diverse backgrounds in ministry, leadership, and advocacy.Faith in Action: Listeners will gain insights into how faith is lived out both inside and outside the church, especially amid changing societal landscapes.Community and Creativity: The show places a strong emphasis on creative ministry and supporting communities through innovative practices.Awareness and Advocacy: Complex issues such as immigration receive careful attention, emphasizing real-life impact and empathy.Support and Prayer:Phil Amersoncalls for listener support—not just as an audience, but as partners in prayer and learning.Whether you’re a longtime listener or new to “To Be and Do,” this episode is your invitation to join a community seeking wisdom, connection, and hope in the year ahead.

In this heartfelt episode of the To Be and Do podcast, host Philip Amerson welcomes the legendary singer, storyteller, and folk theologian Ed Kilbourne for a warm and candid conversation. With over 9,000 performances to his name, Ed Kilbourne brings a lifetime of humor, insight, and experience to the table. Together, they reminisce about decades of friendship, reflect on the evolution of faith and church culture, and discuss what authentic worship and community can look like today.Three Takeaways from the Episode:1. The Evolution and Future of Church CommunityEd Kilbourne and Philip Amerson explore how church culture has changed dramatically over the past 50 years. They discuss the rise of performance-driven “temporary worship” and the shifting patterns of congregational life, from grand productions to smaller, more authentic gatherings. Ed Kilbourne shares his own journey from leading thousands to finding spiritual depth in an intimate, three-person communion with no formal liturgy—champagne and donut holes included. Their conversation honestly addresses both the decline of institutional religion and the emergence of new, organic expressions of faith.2. Rethinking and Renewing Faith Traditions The duo reflects on how religious practices are often maintained out of habit, likening the rote recital of creeds to the mysterious traditions of an Elks Club. Ed Kilbourne recounts a story from theologian Marcus Borg, who humorously admits to participating in church rituals “just because that’s what you do.” This sparks a broader conversation about the importance of seeking real meaning behind religious acts and finding new ways to make faith relevant and transformative in today’s complex world.3. The Power of Storytelling and Song in Spiritual Life Music and storytelling remain at the heart of Ed Kilbourne’s ministry. In a moving segment, he performs a song about hope, waiting, and the eventual lifting of burdens—a piece that may not be explicitly labeled as “sacred,” yet clearly carries spiritual depth. Both speakers agree that the most profound truths often emerge from outside traditional religious genres, and they emphasize the value of honest, creative expression as a path to connection and healing.Whether you’re nostalgic for the church of your youth or seeking fresh ways to experience and express faith, this episode offers wisdom, laughter, and a gentle nudge toward authenticity on the path of “being” and “doing.”https://edkilbourne.com/

Start your new year with inspiration and reflection on this "Because" episode of To Be and Do. Host Phil Amerson welcomes listeners into 2026 with wisdom, personal stories, and powerful scriptural insights. As he marks the beginning of his ninth decade, Phil Amerson shares the intimate moments of pondering what truly matters and how each of us might use the time ahead meaningfully.The episode opens with Phil Amerson candidly reflecting on aging, new beginnings, and the universal yearning to make the next years count. He draws from the second letter to the Corinthians, specifically chapter six, where the Apostle Paul discusses living in the light of God's salvation and liberation. Listeners are treated to a fresh perspective as Phil Amerson recites both familiar and profound words: to be sincere in love, truthful in speech, and steadfast in both highs and lows—"sorrowful, yet always rejoicing," and "poor, yet making many rich."Building on these spiritual reflections, Phil Amerson introduces the thoughts of his friend Michael Mather, author of Having Nothing, Yet Possessing Everything, who challenges the notion of needing strong leaders, stating, "strong people don't need strong leaders." This thought invites listeners to consider the innate strength within communities and the shared gifts that reside among all people—not just those in traditional leadership roles.A highlight of the episode comes with Phil Amerson's mention of Clarence Jordan's Cotton Patch Version, which reimagines scripture in authentic, relatable terms. With phrases like "crooks who speak the truth" or "corpses with a lot of wiggle left," Jordan's translation leastens the barriers to connecting with these timeless messages, encouraging listeners to see themselves vibrantly alive and impactful, regardless of age or circumstance.As Phil Amerson closes, he urges each of us to "go to the top"—to seek out what real, faithful believers are doing and to emulate that spirit in our own ways, echoing Jordan’s playful metaphor to "wiggle on" through the year.Takeaway Points:Reflection and Renewal: The start of a new year is an opportunity to reflect on the past and look forward with hope and purpose.Inner Strength: True spiritual strength is communal and rooted in sincerity, truth, and steadfastness—not just in leadership.Scripture, Made Real: Fresh translations of scripture, like Clarence Jordan’s, can make ancient wisdom alive and relevant for today.Keep “Wiggling On”: No matter your age or status, there’s always a way to bring energy, joy, and riches to those around us.Learn from Others: Look around at those who live out their faith authentically and draw inspiration from their example.Tune in to this guided meditation for the new year and set your intentions with thoughtful encouragement from Phil Amerson and his spiritual companions.

In this special "Because" episode of “To Be snd Do,” Phil Amerson welcomes listeners to a celebration that is both personal and universal—the turning of a new year and a milestone birthday. As we prepare to step into 2026, Phil Amerson invites us into his story, reflecting on the sweep of time and the power of gratitude as he marks the beginning of his ninth decade on earth.Born on January 1st, 1946, at the dawn of a new year and a new era, Phil Amerson shares a charming and vivid account of his arrival. He recalls icy roads in Indiana, the challenge of being born in a different county than where his family lived, and the community dynamics that resulted—stories rich with nostalgia and warmth. It’s a tale that underscores the uniqueness of each birthday and reminds us of how family, history, and place are intertwined.But this episode is far more than a stroll down memory lane. Phil Amerson turns his own story into a reflection on gratitude, wisdom, and the passage of time. He mentions receiving a book for Christmas and his birthday, “It’s Taken Years to Get This Old,” which serves as a springboard for a deeper meditation on aging, appreciating each day, and the biblical wisdom of numbering our days.Takeaways from this Episode:Celebrate Your Own Story: Birthdays and the New Year are powerful moments to pause and reflect on our own journeys.Phil Amerson’s story encourages listeners to honor where you come from and the path you’ve traveled.Gratitude for Each Day: The reminder to “live every day as if it is a great gift” asks us to adopt a posture of gratitude, seeing each moment as a present to be cherished.Wisdom from Time: Citing Psalms,Phil Amersonemphasizes the importance of numbering our days, recognizing that reflection on time can deepen our wisdom and appreciation.Change and Adaptation: The episode reflects on how much the world—and our lives within it—change across decades, urging us to embrace adaptation while treasuring our memories.Blessing for the Year Ahead: With warmth and kindness,Phil Amersonends with a heartfelt blessing for listeners as we move into the new year.Whether you’re marking a milestone or simply closing another chapter, this episode offers timeless insights on living fully, aging with grace, and finding wisdom in each passing year.

In this warm-hearted holiday episode of To Be snd Do, Philip Amerson invites listeners into his home, settling in for a reflective discussion on meaningful holiday symbols and the deeper messages they carry. Centered around the theme of staying grounded and hopeful during challenging times, Philip Amerson shares personal stories and traditions that illuminate how objects and rituals can foster a sense of belonging, resilience, and joy.The episode opens with Philip Amerson introducing his “family” of handmade snowmen—a congregation member’s gift that turns into an annual tradition. These snowmen, dressed even as clergy, bring smiles and serve as reminders of the season’s spirit, especially poignant in the snowy setting of his Indiana home. Beyond decoration, they embody warmth, connection, and the joys found in simple traditions.As the conversation unfolds, Philip Amerson reveals another powerful ritual: reading Luke’s Gospel and examining Christmas cards reflecting the Nativity scene. He draws attention to the importance of including all characters—wise men, shepherds, angels—even joking that every card needs to portray the full tableau, regardless of scriptural source. Through these practices, his family keeps rooted in both faith and humor, blending scripture with the realities of modern life.The heart of the episode lies in reflecting on the message of “Fear not”—the angelic proclamation at the Nativity, as detailed in Luke’s Gospel. Philip Amerson lingers on the urgency of this message in today’s turbulent world. He reminds listeners that “despair is a luxury” and “hope is a necessity,” underscoring hope as a discipline that must be actively practiced. Through symbols and traditions, we are called to return to this message and live it out in community.Closing with gentle advice, Philip Amerson encourages loving connections, even with those who disagree, and extending kindness to neighbors. Wearing a smile even in difficult moments becomes an act of practicing hope and belonging—summed up in the teaching: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”Takeaway Points:Symbols and traditions—not just objects, but keepers of hope—help anchor us in difficult times.The message of “Fear not!” remains deeply relevant, especially in moments of stress and uncertainty.Hope is a discipline that demands regular practice, not just an emotion to be felt.Acts of kindness, inclusion, and love—towards family, neighbors, and even those we disagree with—carry forward the lessons of the holiday season.Sharing rituals and stories sustains a sense of belonging and growth, offering grounding in both faith and community.Tune in for thoughtful reflections, gentle humor, and a timeless call to nurture hope.

In this deeply reflective "Because" episode of To Be and Do, Philip Amerson offer listeners a moving meditation rooted in the Advent season. Through compassionate conversation, poetry, and powerful personal observations, the episode challenges us to examine how we wield power, embrace paradox, and recognize the inherent dignity in every person—especially during a time of year that calls for hope, introspection, and transformation.The episode opens with Philip Amerson introducing “The Belonging Exchange,” and sharing how a poem by Walter Wangren Jr. has been a catalyst for wrestling with questions of power, authority, and belonging in today’s turbulent socio-political climate. There’s candid acknowledgment of the injustices and harmful rhetoric that dominate public discourse—when even national leaders refer to people as “garbage” or when violence is justified by questionable motives. Both speakers invite listeners to resist the numbing effect of these narratives and instead, seek the courage to “live beyond the easy either-or” thinking that divides neighbor from neighbor.Throughout the episode, Philip Amerson reminds us of Advent’s paradox—the vulnerable infant Christ, born in obscurity, who embodies a love greater than the world’s mightiest powers. This “power of love” is lifted up as more lasting, revolutionary, and transformative than any “love of power” or military-force solution. The conversation calls on believers to claim a complex faith, one that welcomes questioning and does not settle for simplistic worldviews.Philip Amerson urges us to avoid the trap of binary thinking: we are not to believe that some people are wholly good, others wholly bad, or that God rewards some while rejecting others. “No, there is no garbage in God’s realm,” he asserts, affirming that all are children of God.Key Takeaways:Resist Simplistic Narratives: Faith and life are complex. Refrain from labeling others as all-good or all-bad, and reject rhetoric that dehumanizes.Choose the Power of Love: True authority lies in love, not in coercion or violence; Jesus’s life and death model the ultimate paradox of powerful humility.Embrace Paradox and Mystery: Faith calls us into the mysteries of paradox—strength in weakness, greatness in service, hope amid darkness.Every Person Has Inherent Value: God’s realm includes everyone. There are no outcasts, no “garbage,” only beloved children of God.Live Beyond Either-Or Thinking: Move past easy divisions and be open to the complexity and diversity of human experience, especially in this season of Advent.As you journey through Advent and into Christmas, may these reflections inspire you to nurture love, complexity, and belonging—in your life, your community, and the wider world.

In this uplifting episode of the To Be and Do podcast, host Phil Amerson welcomes his longtime friend and musical collaborator Ken Medema <https://www.kenmedema.com/> for a heartfelt conversation about the importance and challenges of community. Both speakers blend humor, music, and serious reflection as they discuss their experiences and hopes for fostering deeper connections among people.Three Key Takeaways:Community Is a Gift, Not Just an EffortPhil Amerson shares insights from his years spent in intentional communities, highlighting how genuine community cannot simply be manufactured—it is fundamentally a gift. However, we can create the context in which this gift is received, such as through diverse gatherings or the annual picnic tradition that has grown over the years. The episode encourages listeners to focus on setting the stage for community rather than trying to force it.Minding the Gap: Addressing Division and Isolation Drawing on a metaphor from European train travel—“Mind the gap”—the hosts discuss the increasing sense of division in society. Ken Medema and Phil Amerson both stress that while division is a reality, much of it is actively created rather than innate. Their ongoing work (including the Belonging Exchange and upcoming retreats for pastors) aims to close these gaps by fostering environments where people can truly connect, feel seen, and be reminded they are loved.Compassionate Action Toward the Marginalized The conversation shifts to the role of community in serving those on the margins, especially people with disabilities and those affected by poverty or incarceration. Ken Medema shares powerful stories from his foundation’s work in Mississippi, highlighting the vulnerable reliance on dwindling resources and the importance of advocating for "nothing about us, without us." Both speakers challenge listeners to not keep such populations "out of sight, out of mind," but instead to create inclusive communities where everyone’s voice matters.Bonus Moment:Enjoy Ken Medema’s poignant song on longing for connection, isolation, and the hope of unity—a musical reminder of the episode’s core message.Connect Further:Learn more about the Belonging Exchange, retreats for pastors, and Ken’s musical and community-building initiatives at interluderetreats.org.Final Thought:“Come on, my friend, let's join together and help nudge the future in a direction toward one that the followers of Jesus all are called to do.”https://www.kenmedema.com/

In this gentle and reflective "Because" episode of “To Be and Do,” host Philip Amerson invites us to pause, just for a few moments, in the spirit of Advent—a season characterized by anticipation and wonder. this meditation weaves together personal memory, the meaning of community, and the power of poetic storytelling to guide us towards a more mindful and heartfelt experience of the holidays.Philip Amerson opens with a universal appeal: that we are each children of God, that we all care about the future, and that our unique talents matter in these times. Through a simple, thoughtful question, Philip Amerson prompts us to recall a moment of genuine surprise—an experience so profound it left an indelible mark on our lives. For Philip Amerson, that memory is rooted in meeting Walter Wangerin Jr., a meeting that blossomed into a deep friendship but also fundamentally shaped his spiritual and professional journey.The episode’s centerpiece is Wangerin’s poem, “The Carol of Warm and Cold,” a luminous rendering of the Nativity scene. As Philip Amerson recites the poem, listeners are drawn into the cold, humble space of the stable, feeling the chill of the air, the tenderness of Mary, the resourcefulness of Joseph, and the steadfastness of their animal companions. The poem beautifully underscores themes of vulnerability, shared humanity, and the mystery at the heart of Advent and Christmas.Key Takeaways from This Episode:Surprising Encounters Shape Us: Philip Amerson reminds us that unexpected meetings—like his with Wangerin—can bring surprising lifelong blessings and open us to new purpose.The Power of Community and Memory: The episode reflects on how belonging and shared experiences, especially during challenging times, deepen our faith and connect us across generations.Embodying Advent’s Spirit: Through Wangerin’s poetry, Philip Amerson encourages us to embrace both warmth and vulnerability, seeing the Nativity not as an abstract story but as an experience rich with human emotion, resilience, and hope.A Call to Mindfulness This Season: Closing with a heartfelt Advent and Christmas blessing, Philip Amerson leaves listeners with a gentle nudge to enter this season with humility, wonder, and gratitude for those who walk alongside us.Tune in for a beautifully crafted meditation that invites you to find meaning in simplicity, to remember the value of friendship, and to rediscover the soul of Advent.

Show Notes — To Be snd Do PodcastEpisode Title: Advent.1In this heartfelt Advent-themed episode, host Philip Amerson invites listeners to pause and reflect during the December season, connecting the journey of Advent to wisdom found in the writings of Howard Thurman. As the world starts to buzz with Christmas preparations, Philip Amerson gently directs our attention towards deeper, more meaningful reflections on what it means for “Christmas to be waiting to be born” not only in history, but within each of us and across humankind.The episode opens with personal memories and literary reverence for Howard Thurman—a profound theologian, spiritual leader, and former dean at Boston University’s Marsh Chapel. Quoting Thurman’s influential book Jesus and the Disinherited, Philip Amerson encourages listeners to explore this text for its ongoing relevance and transformative perspective on faith, justice, and compassion.Drawing listeners closer, Philip Amerson recites Thurman's poem, "Christmas is Waiting to be Born," published in 1985. With vivid imagery, the poem highlights places and people in our world where hope seems distant: refugees seeking deliverance, children who lose their innocence too soon, the elderly facing loneliness, and everyday struggles marked by fear or longing. In these scenes, Thurman locates the spirit of Christmas—not in glitter or gift-giving, but in acts and moments where hope, love, and justice are desperately needed.Throughout the episode, Philip Amerson blends personal anecdote with homage, sharing a story about Joe Emerson, a student of Thurman, who fondly recalled Thurman’s slow, deliberate speaking style that made his pearls of wisdom all the more memorable. This recollection underscores the enduring presence and impact of Thurman's voice—which, much like the message of Advent, continues to call us into deeper awareness and compassionate action.Takeaway Points:The Spirit of Christmas is Found in Hard Places: “Christmas is waiting to be born” not amid comfort and plenty, but in the hearts of refugees, children, the elderly, and all who yearn for hope.Howard Thurman's Wisdom Remains Vital: His poetry and books, especially Jesus and the Disinherited, challenge us to ask what makes us come alive—and to pursue it for the world's sake.Advent is a Call to Deep Personal Renewal: The episode invites us to let the transformative spirit of Christmas be “born” within ourselves, becoming a source of hope and love for others.Remember the Power of Slow Wisdom: Taking time to absorb thoughtful words—like Thurman’s—can shape us in profound ways as we move into the season ahead.As you move through Advent, may Thurman’s wisdom and Philip Amerson’s reflections inspire deep hope and renewal in your own life and community.

Show Notes for "To Be snd Do" In this reflective episode of the "To Be snd Do" podcast, Philip Amerson invites us into a moment of meditation centered around Ted Kooser’s evocative poem, "The Red Wing Church." Through poetic imagery and personal contemplation, Philip Amerson shares insights into the ever-evolving nature of churches and their role in communities, reminding us that meaning and sacredness can persist even amidst change and apparent decline.Three Takeaways from the Episode:Transformation Does Not Mean LossPhilip Amerson uses Kooser’s poem to highlight how the physical transformation of a church building—becoming a barn, a hen house, or providing materials for homes and public buildings—does not erase its sacred influence. The scattered pieces of the church, from stained glass to pews, continue serving the community in new and meaningful ways. The steeple, cross, and bells are repurposed but maintain their connection to shared history and faith.Redemption Lives in Unexpected PlacesThe imagery of the cross being “only God knows where” becomes a metaphor for the idea that redemption and acts of kindness are not confined within traditional church walls. Philip Amerson reflects that true spiritual work often occurs in the overlooked and ordinary corners of life—where suffering exists, but so do compassion and community supports. The message is clear: even when conventional structures fade, the spirit of good works endures.Small Churches, Big ImpactContrary to narratives of decline, Philip Amerson passionately contends that many small, seemingly insignificant churches remain at the heart of what matters most. These gatherings—despite changes and challenges—act as centers of deep spiritual and communal life. They remain vibrant places of connection, hope, and transformation, often quietly anchoring their communities through service and care.Final Thoughts:This episode asks listeners to look beyond appearances and reconsider what it means for something to be sacred or valuable. The church, in its many forms and fragments, symbolizes the resilience of faith, the enduring presence of community, and the ongoing potential for transformation and renewal. Through poetry and thoughtful reflection, Philip Amerson encourages us to find grace in change and trust in the “good works of the Lord” all around us.

In this uplifting episode of the "To Be snd Do" podcast, host Phil Amerson welcomes renowned composer, performer, and all-around creative force Ken Medema for a conversation brimming with humor, heart, and musical insight. From the outset, it's clear that their friendship is built on decades of camaraderie and good-natured ribbing, instantly putting listeners at ease and drawing them into an authentic dialogue.The episode begins with Phil Amerson highlighting the many hats worn by Ken Medema—artist, composer, performer, and advocate for justice. Ken Medema describes his multifaceted work, from performing concerts in churches and fundraising for nonprofits, to nurturing a unique house church for Broadway entertainers who have felt alienated by traditional church environments. Through his Interlude foundation, Ken Medema not only brings music to diverse communities, but also creates spaces of belonging and support, especially for artists who often find themselves on the fringes.A touching centerpiece of this episode comes when Phil Amerson shares an experience involving a homeless woman on a cold Midwestern morning and the simple but profound offer of a cup of coffee from a stranger. Ken Medema, with his signature improvisational brilliance, turns this story into a heartfelt song, capturing the human longing to be seen and the transformative power of small acts of kindness.Throughout their conversation, Ken Medema and Phil Amerson reflect on the importance of community and interdependence, especially through music. They discuss the unique, holy moments shared by choir members breathing in unison before singing—a metaphor for working together towards something none could achieve alone. Ken Medema expresses his passion for choirs, both in church and the wider community, noting how these gatherings foster support and leadership beyond their musical contributions.Key Takeaways:Small Acts, Big Impact: Simple gestures—like offering coffee to someone in need—carry profound meaning and are opportunities for connection and compassion.Music as Community: Choirs and communal singing create deep bonds, offering not just harmony in music but also support and togetherness, especially important as church choirs wane and community choirs rise.Inclusive Spiritual Spaces:Ken Medema's work with the Interlude foundation shows the power of creating alternative spiritual communities where everyone, especially those who feel marginalized, can belong.The Power of Story and Song:Ken Medemademonstrates how stories, when set to music, can help us see one another more clearly and honor the sacredness in everyday encounters.Listeners are left inspired by the gentle wisdom and creative spirit that define both this episode and the enduring friendship at its core.

Because: To Be and Do Show NotesIn this thoughtful Advent episode, host Philip Amerson invites listeners to pause and reflect on the depth of the season through the wisdom of theologian and poet Howard Thurman. Sharing both the inspiration and the resonance of Thurman's poem "Christmas is Waiting to be Born," Philip Amerson weaves together history, personal story, and a call to inward transformation at the holidays. This episode is a gentle, stirring reminder that the truest meaning of Christmas is not just in festivities, but in a renewal that starts within us and echoes through our world.Three Key TakeawaysHoward Thurman’s Wisdom Remains Profoundly RelevantPhilip Amerson brings Thurman’s legacy to the forefront, specifically his classic book Jesus and the Disinherited and the oft-quoted challenge to “ask yourself what makes you come alive, and go and do that. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive.” The episode underscores how Thurman’s voice is still a needed guide for navigating modern struggles, injustice, and hope."Christmas is Waiting to Be Born" in Us AllThe heart of this episode is a moving reading of Thurman’s 1985 poem, "Christmas is Waiting to be Born." Lines about refugees seeking deliverance, aging before one’s time, and fear accompanying daily life, fit today’s realities as much as they did decades ago. Philip Amerson encourages listeners to let the poem’s message take root: the birth of Christmas—the arrival of hope, peace, and love—happens within us, not just as a historical event, but as a present, personal transformation.Advent is a Time for Inner Renewal and ActionPhilip Amerson gently reminds us that Advent is not just about anticipating an external celebration, but about becoming active agents for new life and compassion every day. Recalling memories of Thurman’s slow, resonant teaching, and linking the poem to the struggles of today—refugees, children left behind, seniors facing hardship—he calls each listener to carry the spirit of Christmas forward: “in you, in me, and in all humankind.” This is both comforting and challenging, urging us to seek both inward renewal and outward action as the holiday approaches.Whether you're wrestling with Advent’s meaning or seeking encouragement in difficult times, this episode is an invitation to pause, receive, and let the work of hope begin again—right where you are.

Show Notes: To Be and Do In this heartfelt episode of the “To Be and Do” podcast, host Phil Amerson reconnects with Calvin Kimbrough and Nelia Kimbrough, two extraordinary artists and community builders whose creative journeys have shaped not only their own lives, but entire neighborhoods and faith communities. Together, they explore the transformative power of art, the resilience of faith communities, and finding joy—even in tough times.Three Takeaways from the Episode:1. Creativity as Freedom and TransformationNelia Kimbrough shares how her creative life began with humble adult education art classes and evolved into running a studio and gallery in her neighborhood. Her story is a testament to the freedom and possibility that art offers—even when resources are limited. Whether making paper baskets from recycled church bulletins or experimenting with new materials, Nelia highlights how creativity can turn the everyday and even the discarded into something meaningful. For her, working with her hands is not just a pastime—it’s a source of grounding and hope, especially in difficult seasons.2. Art as Witness and RelationshipCalvin Kimbrough delves into his decades of documenting community life, especially among vulnerable populations. His photography and portraiture at Patchwork and the Open Door Community not only preserve memories but create opportunities for connection and affirmation. Calvin shares a powerful moment when a homeless man asks him, “What are you looking for when you take our picture?” This leads to a discussion about the give-and-take of meaningful human encounters, and how art can help us see each other more fully.3. Building Community and Resistance in Troubled TimesAs the conversation shifts to the future, both Kimbroughs reflect on how faith and creativity are essential tools for building nurturing, inclusive, and resistant communities. Drawing on scriptural themes, Nelia Kimbrough encourages listeners to persist in forming “communities of love and nurture and resistance” even amidst societal exile or upheaval. Calvin Kimbrough voices hope in the rising generation of activists and leaders relentlessly working for justice in areas like housing, LGBTQIA+ rights, and gun control.The episode wraps with reflections on the small joys—from women’s basketball to crafting—reminding us that the connection between what we see, create, and share with our hands is a powerful source of meaning and resilience.Tune in for this inspiring conversation about the intersection of art, faith, and action, and discover ways creativity can help us all belong and build a better world.

BecauseHost: Phil AmersonShow NotesIn this short yet heartwarming episode of "To Be snd Do," Phil Amerson invites us into a gathering of retired friends wrestling with the world's problems but choosing, just this once, to focus on joy. Through personal stories and the power of poetry, Phil Amerson reminds listeners to pause and reflect on what truly brings them happiness in life.Episode SummaryPhil Amerson begins by recounting a recent meeting with a group of retired men. Typically, their conversations drift toward the struggles and issues facing the world. However, their most recent gathering took a different turn when someone asked, “What brings you joy?” The answers were as diverse as the men themselves: sports, grandchildren, travel, the simple pleasure of a meal, and gratitude for the ability to help others.For Phil Amerson, poetry is a source of joy. He shares his ongoing quest to learn new poems even in retirement. This leads him to recite "Our Real Work" by Wendell Berry, a revered poet and novelist from Kentucky. The poem explores themes of uncertainty, work, and the beauty of challenges—summed up in the striking line, “It is the impeded stream that sings.”Three Key TakeawaysJoy Can Be Found in Everyday LifeThe conversation among Phil Amerson and his friends highlights how joy arises from both ordinary and extraordinary moments—whether it's a football game, family, good food, or helping others. It’s a reminder to look for happiness in everyday experiences.Poetry as a Gateway to ReflectionFor Phil Amerson, poetry offers solace, inspiration, and joy. Sharing and memorizing poems—like Berry’s “Our Real Work”—can be a meaningful way to process life’s uncertainties and celebrate its mysteries. Poetry invites us to pause, listen, and find wisdom in artful words.Embracing Uncertainty Is Part of Our ‘Real Work’Berry’s poem suggests that not knowing exactly what to do or which way to go is not a failing but a beginning. When our minds are “baffled,” we are truly engaged, and life’s obstacles can help us find our unique song—the very challenges that impede us also shape us and inspire growth.Whether you’re facing uncertainty or searching for joy, this episode encourages you to embrace both with openness and curiosity.