#2538 - Joe DeRosa

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Thank you. I went through a whole, like a series of different coffee machines that I tried out. I tried out one of them that was like this little thing that's like a tea dipper almost. Like for an individual cup of coffee, you put the grounds in this little thing. It's a little tiny press.

Okay. And you boil the water, put it in the coffee cup and then you sit in there like it's tea and then you press it. Okay. It makes like a French press. Yeah.

Yeah. So then I went to an AeroPress. I like that one a lot. So with an AeroPress, I boil the water, grind the beans and then I pour it into this glass tube and the glass tube is a filter at the bottom of it like in a mesh like a steel or an aluminum or some kind of metal mesh. And then that's what it looks like.

And so you press down and it makes a cup of coffee real quick and it's one cup. And so that's what I like because I was making coffee like I was doing French press for a while. I had a coffee machine but the issue is that you're not supposed to really be drinking out of hot plastic. All that shit's plastic. There's plastic.

The water goes into plastic. There's plastic here and plastic there. I'm trying to eliminate as much plastic in my life as possibly as I can. I'll tell you too, I a couple times in my adult life splurged on some fucking... When the Italian espresso machines?

Yeah, grinds the beans every time you're going to wet. Those fucking things go sideways on you in a year. And then you're like, I got to get it fixed. And they're like, yeah, there's a shop. It's 90 minutes north of you.

You drive the machine up there and you're just like, fuck this shit, man. So I went back, I just, I have an espresso and you put the fucking pot in and whatever. But there's a company that makes one, I should shout them out, that makes one that's all steel. I think it's called Simply Good Coffee. I follow them on Instagram.

I haven't used their machine. They're all steel. It's an all steel coffee machine. Which is what you want. But I've got it down to the AeroPress.

The AeroPress, to me, very simple, the minimal amount of parts. It's just the tube, the grinds, the coffee tastes pure. It's simple, I make one cup of coffee. Here is what I miss. Because I will drink a lot of coffee if I'm able to.

Here's what I miss about a traditional Mr. Coffee pot of coffee. You said it, it starts doing it in the morning, you wake up, it's already going. I get two cups hot in the morning, I put it in the fridge and then in the afternoon when I start feeling sluggish, I got two cold cups. And it's just a nice...

So you just want volume. I love volume. Then make a French press. It'll taste better. But then you've got to make it every time.

You've got to do one cup of coffee. You don't have a job. Lazy motherfucker. You don't even have a job. You literally talk shit for a living and you're like, oh, making coffee so hard.

Somebody had a skin of buffalo just to stay warm in the winter. Just to stay alive. They had to shred the skin off of it with a stone knife and they had to pull it and stretch it and tear it and put animal brains on it to make sure that it softened up and salted down. If you would have said that guy, hey, we got this thing called Mr. Buffalo.

It'll just do it real fast. He would have been like, okay, this sucks. Mr. Buffalo. He would be flicking sitting in his DP.

Oh, bro, Mr. Buffalo is the shit. He'd get fat and lazy. Yeah. So true.

But yeah, I just, I like to make more than one cup of wine. So that thing that airbrush. So French press is so easy. You talk about making it hard. This right here, this is an all metal French press.

No plastic parts at all. It's the fucking easiest thing in the world, dude. So this can make a full part though. Yes. Okay, well then that's, yeah, look at this.

And this is not expensive. It's just a steel French press. This is the best tasting coffee you're ever going to get because it's got all the oils from the beans, man. You get like the real coffee dorks. You know, the, there's something happens in the filter.

So in the filter, yes, you remove the grinds. Yes. But also you move, remove some of the flavor. Yes. Just a touch.

Yeah, it's funny, man. When I, back when I was, when I was still involved with the sandwich shop, one of the things I learned that I never knew because you had to take a test to get a food handler's license and all this shit was, um, I didn't know that food started breaking down the moment you cut it. I didn't know that. Because I was getting into it at the time meal prep and shit. All right, if I cut, if I cut up, if I chopped the tomatoes now, if I chopped the carrots now, the cucumbers now, it'll be way easier to throw a salad together.

It'll make me eat the good thing because I'll be, it'll be fast. And then I learned, no, as soon as you cut something, it starts to break down. Is this just vegetables? I think it's mainly vegetables. I don't think it can, raw meat is fine or whatever, but the vegetables.

That makes sense because the insides expose the air. But it's got to be the same principle with coffee beans, I would think, right? Like once in a row. That's a good question. Yeah.

I think people like to grind them right before they, I always grind them right before I make coffee, which is easy. Right. Yeah. And it takes, it takes 13 seconds and I count it goes, nah, 13 seconds is the exact amount of beans that I want for one strong, I like a strong cup of coffee, one strong cup of coffee with that arrow press thing. But it's the same thing with the French press.

You take it, you just get a determined amount and you can dial the knob on the grinder. It's so easy. Grinders are so simple. So listen, all you do is you take that ground coffee after it comes into the little cup, you pour it into the bottom of the fucking French press and then you pour the hot water in. Done.

Yeah. That's it. And then you wait one minute and then you push this fucking plunger down and you drink the best coffee in the world. And it doesn't have any plastic and it doesn't have any bullshit and there's no moving parts. Yes.

You're going to be okay. You're going to be okay. You're going to be okay. You're going to be okay. You're going to turn the knob on the stove.

You're going to be okay. What the fuck is wrong with this guy? I got a button on the... This is so ridiculous. He's so ridiculous.

He's like, whoa, I can't be the water. I got a boil it. Dude, I get out of bed. Get an automatic kettle. You get a kettle because there's literally I have one that has a setting that says French press on it.

It's a steel kettle and it works all electronically so it's temper regulated temperature and beeps with done. Press 200 degrees and then I press start and it goes... Okay. And that happens. I pour the water onto the beans.

Well, now we're talking. Now we're talking. An electric kettle. I'm thinking I got to put a fucking pot on the stove. That's even easier.

You fucking lazy bitch. It takes too long. Dude, I get out of the lazy bitch. You're so lazy. I swear something.

I wake up with the dread of humanity in my fucking brain. I'm just like, I need a cup of coffee immediately to just start the day and just clear the head. And the longer that takes, the longer I got to sit in that wake up anxiety. I understand. So, but now we're talking.

You know what I'm going to get? I'm going to get a boiling pot that you can set a timer on. Yeah, they're easing. They're electronic kettles. They sell them online.

And they have like settings for tea, settings for this, settings for hot cocoa. You know, it's like five or six different settings or something like that, depending on the model. They're fucking so easy, dude. It's all my little... Yeah.

And it's the best coffee. It tastes good. And I don't have to think... I kind of hold one of these really nice machines and it can make an espresso, can make a coffee, can make a latte. It's got a little fucking foam thing that I've never used once.

Never. Never even thought about using it. Never even thought about steaming milk in my fucking house. Never. But I always was thinking, I'm just...

It's all plastic. Every time I'd filled up the water thing. Like this is all plastic. I don't have any use for it. Black coffee, right?

Black coffee. Always. Yeah. Tony shits on it. Of course he does.

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See app for details. I got a drink of black. He goes, you fucking hate condiments. I was like, what are you talking about? I like the taste of coffee.

I genuinely like black coffee. You know what I saw that maybe when I get the foam steamer was not for foam. You know, Alton Brown? Yeah. I love Alton Brown.

He did a thing. He did a video where he made this thing with eggs and he used the foam steamer to like foam the eggs up. I was like, this looks fun. I want to get it just for that just to do the thing with the eggs. But then he got.

So you're lazy when it comes to making coffee, but you go way out of the way for some foamy eggs. I'll cook. I like the cook. I like the cook. I'll cook.

There it is right here. Oh, wow. Wow. Wow. He said this is like apparently incredible.

It's like two eggs, a little cheese. Interesting. Interesting. And so you whisk it up like that and then you add the foam and the foam cooks it. Is that always cooking it with the foam?

The he cooks the eggs with the foam. So what is in the foam? Is it just hot water? Yeah. That's it?

Okay. So this hot water from the steam is cooking his eggs. Look at the egg cooking. Look at that. Look at that.

He's eating or you just eat eggs. Fucks wrong with you. Let's crack some fucking eggs. Fry some eggs. What's the problem?

You don't think that looks good? It doesn't look as good as sunny side up eggs. Fosy eggs. Look at that. I was like, fuck those foamy eggs.

Oh, I want to have real eggs. Could you imagine dunk and toast in those foamy eggs? No, because I don't need toast. Come on. Toast once in a while.

You know what I get it? I get some steak tartar. I like those little toast points. Oh, yeah. You ever get some steak tartar?

Oh, yeah. Toast points at Jay Carver. Oh, yeah. Of course. Yeah.

Yeah. What's your favorite spot in Austin to get a meal? It's impossible to say. There's so many good spots. There's so many good spots.

Austin is crazy with the amount of great restaurants, like really high end restaurants. I've eaten steak at every fucking restaurant in town and I've got to think the best one. It's Jeffries. Jeffries is. I still haven't gone.

I've got to go. It's perfection. They're all great. Like I've never had a bad steak at Jay Carver's. I've never had a bad steak at AVs.

They're all great. But there's something about whatever Jeffries is doing. I think they got rated like the number two steakhouse in the country. Something crazy like that. I've got to go to Jeffries.

I've been dragging my ass. I love Jay Carver. I love. Jeffries is amazing. They're different.

Jeffries steak, you know, like Jay Carver's steak is, he's using one of those Argentine grills. So it's all live fire over with delicious flavor. Yeah. Yeah. But man, there's like another level like whatever Jeffries is doing like fuck.

I go, I love Gary the bartender at Eddie V's and he makes killer martinis. I love to go in and get a martini. Straight bar. Straight cocktail. Beautiful.

Yeah. And I'm going to go to the barber. I actually think I like the steak at Red Ash a little bit better than Jay Carver. How? There's just something different about it.

I don't know what the difference in the prep is, but just the steak. And then also having the option of all the Italian foods that you can get with the steak. Yeah. Red ash is phenomenal too. They have another place called the Kimberly.

That's that place is phenomenal too. It's very good. Yeah. There's too many good restaurants. You have an abundance of choices here.

It took, it took a minute because when I first moved back, because I was here in 2000 for a year, when I first moved back, you know, I was in New York for so long. I forgot like Austin is more of a destination city. You have to kind of find the places. And Tommy Pope was like, dude, give me your phone. And he went into my Google Maps and he bookmarked 10 spots.

And he was like, get this here, get this there, get this here, get every spot. I was like, okay, now we're rocking and rolling. It was great. Yeah. Imagine back in the day before the internet, you couldn't just Google like what's the best steakhouse in Austin.

You couldn't, I mean, that's kind of an amazing thing now. You'd be told about a restaurant. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

What's, what's, I do that in cities when I'm on the road, I'll look up what's the best Italian sandwich in the city. Sometimes it's right. Sometimes it's like, you know, restaurant's popular touristy place. Exactly. Sometimes it's just a place that paid for publicity.

So they're getting on these lists and it's not accurate. But when you find it, it's great. The internet is a great tool to help find these places. Like you said, you should just be word of mouth. You should just say what's good.

And now you're depending on some guy's opinion, which is not always the best. Yeah. But there's some certain places. It's like people are your own little siskel and ebert for movies, but for restaurants. Like you've got to find a fat guy who loves food.

That guy's going to tell you where the best spots are. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's a great tool that you're just never going to get anywhere else other than the East Coast.

There's certain like kind of small Italian restaurants in particular. Because it's a place I used to go to when I lived in New Rochelle, Frank and John's. I think it was Frankie and Johnny's. I think that's what it was called. In New Rochelle's Italian place.

It was so fucking insane. It was so insane. They made a movie about that. There was a movie called Frankie and Johnny without Pacino. And I think it's about that restaurant.

I think he works at that restaurant. Really? Yeah. I think it's got a lot of restaurants. Right?

I mean, I'm 90% sure it was in New Rochelle because that's where I lived. I lived in New Rochelle. I lived in New Rochelle. It was in the surrounding areas like Mount Vernon or something like that. But oh my God, dude.

It was so good. When I got my first development deal, my manager thought that I had a gambling problem. But it was really just because I was eating steak and lobster every night. Go, where's all your money? He's like, what are you doing?

Just spending so much money. You have a gambling problem? And I was like, no, I mean, steak and lobster every night. I've been poor my whole life. I'm fucking eating like a king.

Dude. This shit runs out. I don't even know if it's going to last. But I'm riding this bitch right into the rocks. My favorite thing about when I finally got to a point of some financial stability with this crazy career that you go through for a long time without knowing what's next.

But my favorite thing was when I could go, I could eat whatever I want now. That was a huge moment to me. That's one of the biggest, Brian Calent said that to me once. He goes, other than obviously taking care of your family and mortgage and all that stuff, after life necessity, the big change is being able to go to a restaurant and order whatever you want and not think about it. Not worry about the bill.

Yeah. And if you can do that, you have real freedom. That's the first big leap. And then everything after that is like these little things. It's great.

Oh, look, I live in a nice apartment. Oh, look, I have a nice car. Oh, look, I got the shoes that I wanted. Oh, look, that's all fun. Yeah.

It's nice. But the weight that's lifted off of you when you don't have to worry about your bills, that's number one. Yeah. That's the big one. That's the giant leap.

That's the between the two buildings. Like, I don't know if it's going to work out till we bump. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

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Yeah. Is that kind of stuff like repair for my wife, I swear to God, it's the supermarket. When I check out at the supermarket, I try to remind myself, you just pulled whatever you wanted off the shelf to fill your car, and you didn't have to worry about. Can I pay for this or not checking out? And you're paying for your groceries, and it would cost what product you don't worry.

I was like, people, there are people that don't have this man. Remember this. A ton of people. Here's the question though. Do you think that there's value in not having that when you're young, and then developing that the world would be a far better place if instead of people having to concentrate on Necessities like food and shelter society reaches a point where that is a given and no one ever has to worry about food and shelter And now it's all about what do you want to pursue and how much energy you put into it?

Or do you think that you have to have that struggle? I think look I don't think that that struggle and the transition out of that struggle is ever bad for anybody I think it's it builds your spirit and it builds your who you are that said the other version of it I don't know because it's just not a thing that we have here It's not that people have ever experienced here and I don't even know if they really experienced it anywhere else I mean, I think there's like forms of socialism, but they all evolve oppression There's they all involve government overreach they all any real socialist system always involves like serious restrictions on what you can Can't do take your training to the next level with AG ones new product AG one pro it's back And it's already sold out once so get it now AG one pro takes the original next gen formula the vitamins minerals adaptogens pre and probiotics and more and Paks in even more support for physical performance. It adds five grams of crevite I was creatine monohydrate and hmb to reduce protein breakdown and support recovery They've also added zinc connoisseen for even more gut support It's one drink more effective and it's NSF certified for sports. You know exactly what's in it

The training is only half of it recovery is where the gains actually compound AG one pro is built for both go to drink AG one dot Com slash Joe Rogan to get a free AG one pro shaker in your pro welcome kit That's drink AG one dot com slash Joe Rogan I will tell you this and this might be a byproduct of the culture we live in because we don't have it I will say I there is a noticeable difference to me between people I am friendly with that grew up with money and people that I know that grew up that didn't have it Right, but is that because of our society? That's my question That's the question that I have like is it necessary that that has to be your struggle in order to develop a kind of discipline that you need To be successful in life or is it just our society is fucked up and that desperation that we're putting into people You're just making the motivation different like you're enforcing the idea of greed because people become selfish because no one was looking out for them And they have a chip on their shoulder all that shit We don't necessarily have to have that to have interest in pursuing something to the best of your abilities Yeah, it's it's it's a tough thing to define it's it really is I think I think there's bonuses to both

But I also think to in in in the social society thing Hey, isn't it great if you can go hey man I'm a waiter and I'm able to live a normal life and buy a house and be normal, you know, whatever Yeah, but that's not socialist. That's just though we were fucked in terms of like the amount people earn versus what you can buy Right versus like the 1950s the 1950s You know the way a person can make a living and feed an entire family off of one paycheck. It was it was way easier Yeah, it was a lot easier. Yeah, well It always makes me laugh because one of my favorite TV shows of all times all in the family Mm-hmm and the whole thing with all in the family was supposed to be that they were kind of struggling like Archie was a cab driver And they didn't have a lot of money whatever you look at that fucking house. They lived it like that would be 10.3 million They're living pretty fucking good. It's a nice house. It's all clean and nice inside. It's got two floors

Yeah, the guys at cab driver. Yeah, yeah, so it's a tough it's a tough thing But as far as the society we live in personally I think it's better to have known what nothing is and then go to Appreciating what you do have I don't know because I've never I've never grown up any other way But I wonder if you have a con if you have conscientious parents and you're a young kid and you know Your dad just sits you down and tells you hey buddy You can be whatever you want, but you're gonna have to fuck it put in the work Like there's only one way out of this thing and nobody nobody writes are free and if you do right for free you're gonna be depressed Yeah, somebody gives you everything that you have those are the people that are the most aimless Rich kids that I've met that have no like they've had money their entire life Like their parents just give them a trust funds They don't have to work and they're worth like a ton of money. They're all sad right They're all sad then they have they're all super insecure. They'll act real weird. Yeah, I know one or two people that had trust funds We're up like that, but still work their asses off because again You're saying it's what the parents is what you know, you know, I think big part of that right is what the parents is telling you There's all this talk now of nepo babies and all that stuff. I was good friends years ago with Eden Eden Brolin

She's Josh Brolin's daughter and she was very close with her dad. I remember I remember she was in my house one day No way and she's like I'm not supposed to tell anybody my dad's gonna be Thanos in the Marvel movies and I was like that's fucking crazy, right? So like but she did she worked for every fucking thing she I became friends Well, she was a hostess at the stand in New York like she always had regular jobs. She plays in a band now She does some acting but she is not in a situation where her dad put her wherever and I think it's because They're very close But I think it was because she was just raising away where he's like you're gonna earn your shit And you know and you're gonna do your thing and and she's an amazing person like there was none of that none of that my dad's famous An uncomfortable arrogance. He's a very normal guy. I never met him. He's a very nice guy

Yeah, very very smart and very normal like you can hang out with talk him jokes around He's like he's very present Yeah, and there's there's a lot of people like that that you think of you know you think of actors as all being these fucking aloof weirdos And who live in this bizarre liberal like progressive leftist bubble and a lot of them are there's there's a giant number that are but man There's a ton of like really solid cool people that are actors. Yeah Billy Bob Thornton. Yeah cool as fuck. He seems awesome So cool. He got actually got in the short short shoutouts I said nice I mean, so he hooked up. I'd love to meet him. He's great. He's great

There's a lot of those guys that are really great. What do you house and fucking great? I was just gonna say mcconnah. He's great. I became friendly with Woody and his wife through Tony. He's so nice

He's the fucking back. They're both amazing. Yeah, like he's he's so so normal cool. Yeah, like so cool and present as a zero ego He's is always chill and hanging out always like super friendly and nice to everybody what he's so nice He he said a thing to me with the first time ever hung out with him He came to kill Tony and and we were drinking after the show We had a great time and at the end of the night He just goes and Tony had plugged my special at the beginning of the show or whatever and at the end of the night And I mean we had a few we were in mitzvies. We were all kind of just getting into that swaying around You know and I was like it was great to meet you man and he goes he goes yeah, man It's fun tonight and he goes I'm gonna watch your special and I go thanks man and he goes never promised you a rose garden And I was like yeah, that's the name and he's like I'm gonna want I'm like this fucking guy remembered the name of my special From a plug five hours ago and I was like that's fucking awesome, man. That's right. What a fucking it's just a good dude

Yeah, what an awesome dude. Yeah, they exist man You know there's a lot of them out there. He'd be shocked Matt Damon and Ben Affleck very cool guys Like talk to them on and off here I've talked to Matt before actually randomly ran into Matt Damon a few years back in Italy at a restaurant where he was seated under a picture of him So I'd already met him before at the UFC and then we were in Italy I was with my family and he was with his family and he sat down we were already sitting down and we were right across I go the picture of Matt Damon and then literally Matt Damon walks in and sits right under the picture of Matt Damon I go hey Matt. He's like hey, what are you doing here? Give me big hug and I was like but this is so meta Did you ever see I so strange that like look at a photo of a guy on the wall?

Oh, I know him. Yeah, that's Matt Damon and then he comes in and sits right there right after you say it's so funny That's so funny. What are the odds? Did you see a dirty autofocus the Bob Crane movie? Yes?

We're great. I love that movie. I love that movie. It's crazy. Do you think the guy killed him his buddy? Yes?

Yeah, I do. It seems like it. I do I think so, but that's when they show how he would get laid on the road Crazy he would wait for the reruns of Hogan's Heroes to be on TV and sit in front of the television He knew when they were odd and there's that scene there's that scene where he tells apart He goes could you put on channel 22 whatever? She puts it on and he's sitting under it and then the hot chair comes up She goes oh my god is that you any goes oh how embarrassing? Back then you got to think Hogan's heroes first of all how much has society changed and how much more sensitive have people gotten?

When you think that Hogan's Heroes was a show about a Nazi concentration camp and it was a comedy Yeah, yeah, it was a comedy about prisoners of war they were captured by the Nazis Yeah, yeah, and they made like they had like lovable Nazis lovable Nazis that were like bumbling buddies Nobody died the show was on for like five years. No, he died. No, how many seasons did Hogan's Heroes go? 60 episodes of six seasons. God damn Six seasons and no one died. They didn't kill anybody. How many people died on Hogan's Heroes run that through our AI sponsor perplexity

Yeah, those people died during World War two in a Nazi prison not a one not a one. No, we got torture in six years and 148 episodes Yeah, it's so insane. Do you think they get into a little bit of this in the movie? But they play it down But do you think there was a lot of pushback? Do you think there was like that they were like what are you fucking crazy?

We can't make this show this is nuts or was it just there in the movie was a pushback? I don't remember there's a little bit where he's like it's kind of crazy almost nobody dies on screen or as a plot event in Hogan's heroes It was a broad comedy and the regular heroes Hogan clink heroes clink Colonel clink shorts the fucking Nazi guard He's a hero and the prisoners survived series the notable fictional death of major Wolfgang Hochteder who's reportedly killed during an allied bombing raid and the common don dies at dawn the titles misleading Colonel clink is not killed So the practical answer is one named reoccurring character with occasional unnamed wartime casualties implied rather than shown Yeah, who doesn't nobody died? Obviously that's clink was like remember I see nothing. It's another thing. He's always like I gotta get out here I see nothing like they're all plotting fucking devious things to try to get back to the guards And he's like I seen nothing it's like having a show where the clan And then the clan is like kind of the black guys are like breakdancing the clans having a good time with them The closest I've ever seen to it is Tarantino in Django when he makes the clan scene funny when they're all kind of dumb

Do you remember that scene? I don't remember that scene Unfortunately, there's a scene with the clan and there I think Jonah Hill has a cameo in it and they're all kind of dumb And it's like funny dialogue with the clan Yeah, yeah, well my point was that if you go back to that year like what year was Hogan's heroes was it the 70s 65 to 71 65 to 71 okay Being on television was a very new thing. Oh, yeah very new thing a sitcom star was a very new thing It was only at the most what two decades old how old is the honeymooners?

What year was that honeymooners are the early 50s? I believe right I think and it was spin off of the Gleason variety Now we're whatever the fuck that was called sketch. They did 55 Yeah, it's only on TV for a year what yeah, what year to start? It really aired from 55 to 56 Wow, that's the thing the honeymooners. There's only one season So I have both honeymooners box sets because I love the show I have episodes 39 episodes in one season. That's a lot the main box that is called the classic 39 because that's all the episodes that

Weren't sketches on the show or anything. Oh, he did 39 episodes and it was like we did it. It's done It's like nobody does that now right you know Seinfeld did it and a Ricky Gervais does it he does three seasons and he goes that's it They did 39 and it was a massive success and they were like you have to do more of these and he's like no we did it We're good. We have nothing left to say really yeah, and then they did reunion shows and shit But like that was it that's wild that's wild. He went on to do all kinds of shit though He was in the hustler in 62 he played a serious role in a sort of fast. Yeah, you know

He was he was like the only guy that's ever been in a movie about a pool player that was a real pool player Mm-hmm like he could fuck a play you watch him play in the movie like oh, okay. That's a real pool player Yeah, like the way strokes the ball. He strokes the ball like a pro got he could run like think he ran like 75 balls in Straight pool might be 100 But like the 100 balls is like the number you run 100 balls in straight pool people like that guys legit He's he can run 100 balls. Yeah, you know and he could do that Gleason was an incredible touching It's kind of interesting about the show the the sketches were over 35 minutes or more and the writers felt restricted by the half-hour Format Wow so that partially had something else. We had a contract issue to so they were they felt restricted But because they didn't have enough they didn't want more time to it was too slapstick in fast-paced according to TV guide Huh look at this he had seven million dollars left in his contract in 1956 which is crazy money The excellence of the material could not be maintained. I had too much fondness for the show to cheap it

Wow, I mean that is baller shit back then like that is not something people were doing back Or he's you just got lazy because he had so much money Yeah, he had a lot that CBS was gonna give him a three-year contract for what would been 132 million dollars today He was gonna get close to like a million dollars in episode. Wow a million episode back then it was close today No, no, no, no like what today is I forget where it was on here But even that's like kind of unheard of when Seinfeld when it was announced they were all gonna get a million episode I remember that was like groundbreaking it was like this has never been done before and whatever this guy was offered the equivalent of that Back in 56 and said now. I'm good. Well, he probably already had so much money and he was drunk all the time Yeah, that guy drank all the time. Yeah, he was so fun. Do you ever watch his final interview? Yes? Yes? Yeah?

He's in the tracksuit. Just chain smoking. Yeah, I think it was fun. Yeah Trax to trains with me eight hundred and thirty nine thousand dollars now the equivalent right he had to pay for production costs It says oh, that's different. Yeah, okay, our kind Carney received three thousand five hundred dollars a week Which is forty two thousand dollars a week now Audrey Meadows two thousand dollars a week while women got fucked over back then But Jackie Lee's an enterprises was running the show. So I mean yeah, he fucked her over is what I'm saying

Art Card you got fucking almost twice as much as her god damn Jesus wife. Yeah, I'm using our residuals what? Only cast military sea residuals on the Rock cast because they had to change that shit later. Yeah, they you know That's where those strikes and the writers union and the sag all that stuff really plays a part because you get I got residuals for news Radio and they're not what you think they are like people think it's gonna like change your life You never have to work again. That's only for the people like Jerry Seinfeld that own the show. Yeah, the regular people that get residuals

It's nice. It's a good thing, but it's it makes sense. They're showing the fucking show over and over and over again It's still your work. Yeah, you know, it does make sense You're reselling it so it's not the original deal that you had to put it on NBC for one out now It's like a thing where you're gonna sell it again And so all the actors get paid again. It makes sense dude. I've told you this before I'm gonna tell you again

So it's documented and I know you're not that interested but you need the fucking keep acting dude You're fucking great on that show that is not easy I in my opinion multi cam sitcom despite it being the easiest job and show business as far as payment time versus reward It is the hardest type of acting because it is an acting where you have to land jokes and gags and you have to make it convincing It that is very very very hard to do you are so fucking good on that show I'm and I watch news radio all the time still I told you last time I was here got me We want to think it's got me through covid was doing news radio in front of back. You need that you need to keep that's very nice of you Thank you very much, but I think your idea of what's very hard to do and my idea What's very hard to do are two totally different things well because acting on the sitcom is easiest fuck okay So You're all

Look disease it's just not enough stuff. It's fucking easy if you're a comic It's easy if you used to do and stand up in front of a live audience That's a lot harder and then the acting they look they give you especially if you're working with great people You know Seems with Dave Foley and Maura Terny and all those they were amazing the cast was incredible Kathy Excuse me Vicki Lewis. Yes, Andy Dick Candy Alexander, but I will say the route They were incredible. I will say this to you though the fact that what you just said It's easy is why I think you should be doing it. I think you are a natural fucking actor and I think you're you I Just pretend dude. It doesn't it's not dang. I've never done Daniel Day Lewis acting

That's like the real act Val Kilmer acting right in tombstone. That's real act. I think you could I do it. Well, that's interesting. That's a life. I've had another life. I love movies. I fucking love it

You know, it's a great show. It's a great show. It's called lucky. It's on Apple It's about what is that ladies name with a big guy's first episode. She's really beautiful but very unusual looking What is her name again? Anna Taylor joy is our name?

She was in the Queen's Gambit. She fucking killed it in the Queen's Gambit on you on you on the witch right? She's I think that was her first movie was the witch. I didn't watch the witch no one in my family watch it with me I want to watch it. I'm a right giant Robert Eggers fan. I think he fucking murdered Nosferado

I think it's the best vampire movie by far of all time. Nosferado was dope. The lighthouse was dope You've seen the werewolf the werewolf trailer that's coming out. Okay, don't you okay me? I have I have don't you okay me son of a bitch. Here's what I will say. What the fuck are you gonna say?

I love Robert Eggers. I'm not knocking it, but it's the fourth movie. He's released wearing the trailer I see black and white footage and a lot of people twitching. Oh my god. That's what I'm looking for I'm like, all right. I just come on. I don't know if it's gonna be different. This looks phenomenal. Yeah, it's it's

Phenomenal of course he's twitching he's turning to a werewolf. There's fuck is wrong with you girls There's no world where it'll be a bad movie no world doesn't exist that guy knocks it out of the park a plus every movie the wind The North the Northman have you seen that I did fuck you didn't love that I didn't love that I didn't know go home You do stop go home. Tell everybody special He's son of a bitch. How can you not like the Northman? I want it more battles more it was perfection and a plus You know what's up? You might be my favorite director of all time. You don't took me out of the Northman what?

Being a pussy no take it easy Fuck yeah, I'll take me out of it Nicole Kim and having full plastic surgery in 1650 or whatever it was taking me out of it It was fun. Let me switch it looks like back then She's in the Northman course she she rules she rules, but I think that goes does great work or a goes excuse me does great work Oh, did he's the best I think he's my favorite director of all time next to Tarantino Tarantino's always gonna be number one he's but this guy's because I feel like there's like levels to movies and I think Tarantino's He's the undeniable peak of the mountain and then everything else is pretty dope the He's got some murder. He's got some killers. So those guys have a few lemons Well, I mean you're gonna you're gonna have some lemons when you went I mean Scorsese's output is incredibly high and it's like of course you're gonna have a few duds But this is one of the reasons why Tarantino's the goat is because he figured out how to have no lemons other than death proof Which Tony loves we argue about all time. So I don't see plastic surgery Nicole Kidman. They showed her for a second

Yeah, I don't think she's in the trailer a lot That was let me see Nicole Kidman And that was a long movie that was a long time ago. This movie right? That's probably a pre-COVID I think I think so I think it's like 2017 or 18 I say Jamie I'm amazed with Robert Eggers that he gets wide release theatrical releases with the types of movies. He does I think it's because they sell right they fucking sell dude I mean, they're so good. They're so good people love him and they go to see him I mean, that's it's really that simple. It's why was it Jimmy four years ago. Oh really that was like four years ago

Oh, oh crazy Um, see if you can find a photo of Nicole Kidman from that And I'm obviously not saying the movies bad because Nicole Kidman had plastic surgery But it did it does take me out of it when I see somebody doing a period piece with see that doesn't look like plastic surgery to me She looks totally normal. Maybe it's just because I remember maybe you just wanted have plastic surgery because you're a hater I'm not shitting on the cold kid. I'm a little bit of a hater. She looks perfect. She's got it. Yeah, what are you saying?

It worked perfect. It will work. I don't see work dude. I see a beautiful face He's son of a bitch fuckers wrong with you go. So down there when she's with Anya Taylor joy right there That's right there. So that that looks a little filery

Unfortunately that look I think has gone away though. I think ladies are realizing that nobody likes it. No the filler face Did you see a trailer for this thing the neuromancer? No, so what's the nerd's are super pumped? This is like the story where like Oh, I've heard this. Yeah, so I took a TV show actually

I'm gonna movie wait. How do you mean the major? Like the ideas of like jacking in and stuff like that. Yes, who wrote that book? I I William William Gibson. Yeah, this is supposed to be a movie that people were concerned was like impossible to try a book rather

That people were concerned with impossible to translate it to a film correctly. Okay, I don't know why because I haven't read the book But I've read that argument like there's no way you're ever gonna really just jacked in and now he's like in some new space Which I don't think I haven't read it either I don't know spoiler alert or anything. I don't know much about it But people are very pumped that they've attempted this and it looks cool Hmm, but wait a second so did the matrix just take all of its ideas from this? No here. I'll find out what I mean when I said that Okay, lucky was so lucky on Apple TV is only as a seven episodes and it's only gonna be one season I think I just started watching the shards, which I'm feeling the term cyberspace came out of that book and then like there you go a Consensual yeah, consensual hallucination experience daily by billions of authorized actually itself. I think came out of there. Oh

Well, that's common, right? That's common. He was ahead of his time. He figured it out So now this is a weird thing Okay, and this is the thing you notice with with these directors that break through and do an amazing first movie and then it's kind of followed by a lot of Ho hum stuff. You mean the Matrix? Yeah, well the Wieckowski's the Matrix was this cultural phenomenon it changed everything and blah blah blah blah

Their movies after that except for maybe V for Vendetta none of them really ever lived up to that So now we're seeing this and I'm like well that they just get all the great ideas for the Matrix from this other thing And then they made a great movie and then that's why they were never able to kind of hit that again every Matrix equal is terrible They're literally jacking in the same exact way to the back of the head. Yeah, it's the same thing And they're saying the term the Matrix came out of the this that's great I thought they made that up They got sued too because some lady wrote I think it was a graphic novel it might have been a short story a graphic novel I forget what it was but she wrote a story and brought it to them apparently Terminator for both so is she just a cooke that's a cool manuscript title the third eye from 1980s and She yeah, I saw the story. I remember when yeah, let me tell you why she's a cooke hardly story Well, because he mentioned the Terminator harlin Ellison wrote an episode of the outer limits It was called demon it was called demon with the glass hand Harlin Ellison sued James Cameron when the Terminator came out and he goes that's my fucking story

I did it on the outer limits in the 60s and harlin Ellison got paid and they were like yeah, it's actually kind of the same thing Huh, so this lady did not write the Terminator in the 80s. Well, it could be multiple influences, but it could be multiple Inspirations right it could be the worst one is and I'm a fan of it was just We're not accusing anyone But we're saying if someone was gonna play drives why wouldn't they play drives from multiple sources? You can't just say just because he stole a giant chunk of it from that one episode of a show It doesn't mean that he didn't steal a bunch of other stuff and I'm not saying anyway, so right, right? I don't think James Cameron stole a goddamn. I don't think he saw anything He saw it. He might not even seen it

There's a lot of parallel thinking when it comes to this concept of AI and robots being like people and they go It's in battle-stark. Oh, sure sure. I mean it's like there's a lot of that where people become robots It's in the original alien movie 1979 remember right there's a fucking an artificial intelligence that is their guy Yeah, that they don't know as a robot so it has a I think they beat it to death. I think how they find out that it's a robot It's I think they kill it. They knock it's head off. That's how they find out it's a robot blanket on the act

It's it's oh, okay. He's one of my favorites and I'm blanking on things This is 79 right so that's the Terminator like these concepts have been around for a long time the concepts of artificial intelligence taking over I think it was more the plot line of this this robot comes back. Oh in time it was something like that Oh, I don't know I don't think James Cameron stole it because there's no other evidence of him ever swiping something I do think like we all do this thing where we see something we don't remember it goes into the subconscious and maybe you go I got a great idea and you're not realizing Oh actually that's the thing I saw when I was 10. He's pretty intensely creative like an original I don't I don't imagine that he would do that. Oh, I'm gonna hope not but I don't think so but Harlan Elson did win the the case interesting But how much yeah?

How much did Harlan Elson get for that the lawsuit did they disclose it or did they pay him to shut the fuck up? Well, Elson is I mean he is Everybody's everybody loves sci-fi. He's their favorite sci-fi guy. Really? He is a guy bold statement He's the guy Elson is the guy you'd love you should read up on Harley Elson. You would love that probably should there's not enough time to consume all the things

Yeah, there's so many things to consume Dispute ended out of court settlement. There you go rather than a court ruling on what so they just paid them sure the fuck up So they probably gave him a fact check yeah, there it is soldier and demon with the glass hand involved combatants from a future war arriving in the president Including a relentless futuristic soldier sent to kill Elson argued that the Terminator borrowed this core setup Commentators often mentioned his outer limits episode demon with a glass hand but Elson himself reportedly Said his principal claimed concerned soldier not that episode so it seemed like it wasn't maybe there was more than one thing Hmm either way you could you know, it's like Every werewolf movie is a guy gets bit by werewolf sure you know I mean you could say no one can make a werewolf movie anymore because the wolf man because you're all stealing from the wolf man Well, I think the difference is that's werewolf mythology right overall. That's true versus you know what I mean? That's true. Yeah, of course Yeah, but bad example the Sun original story But you would love Carly Ellison because he was just I'm sure my favorite story is he talked about when he was in college

He goes my literary professor said I had no talent so I got expelled cuz I punched him in the throat Yeah, how many bad teachers have ruined the kids future they tell them they have no talent yeah, right how many it's not so many He's there's so many stories like that so many stories of some shitty teacher It's nuts. Did you have when you were getting into it? Well, how old were you when you said I'm gonna go do comedy? I'm not gonna do any of the shit that I studied in school. I'm gonna actually barely studied in school I only went to school because I didn't want to be a loser literally I went to UMass Boston Like they're continuing education program. So I didn't have to take my SATs and only went for three years

I was wasting my time and the whole time I was doing it I was fighting and that was my primary concern that was what I was thinking about and I was teaching at Boston University Oh, you mean like like emma-mace fighting okay, okay boxing in Taekwondo, okay And that was my concern that really was the the but do you tell people you know, oh, what do you do? Oh my Taekwondo fighter fucking loser fucking loser I've totally I would not tell people that I did I'm going to school. I'm going to UMass Boston. It was literally that's what I was doing Oh my god, that's so fucking funny. I was on four-time state Taekwondo champion. I fought all over the country

I didn't know that yeah, I knew you've had fighting in your background. I know you were champing stuff Yeah, I was really good when I was young and talking when I was really good What made you switch gears from that to go into comedy? Well, first of all, there's no future in it There was no future. I tried out for the Olympics in 88. I made it to the Nationals I want the States and I went to the third fight in the Nationals and I lost I was in Miami in 88 And then I realized like I wasn't as enthusiastic about it anymore. Yeah, you got extra cigarettes. Thank you. Yeah

For everybody. Yeah, yeah And then I was also getting brain damage and I was very aware of that I would lie in bed at night after sparring and my head would be Ringing just thought of robbing just boom. Oh, Jesus Christ. I was like I'm doing this for free. There's no money in this I'm not making any money. Holy shit. Yeah, I was sparring a lot, especially kickboxing sparring. I was getting hit a lot

It was a lot of like kickboxy wars and it was just not worth it It was just not and I was realizing like I got to get out before I become that guy at the gym because there were some guys That I had met and then I'd watch them deteriorate a little during the time that I knew them and I was training with them I watched the personalities change I watched them get like slower Like I could see the movement was compromised because they got brain damage They've been knocked out a few times and I was realizing like oh, this is a real problem And no one seems to be thinking about it Everyone's like pretending it doesn't exist because they just want to be a tough guy and they just want to fight and win and It becomes the thing you do and the thing you do is that the only thing you know and if that thing is bowling then you bowl every night You know if that thing is golfing you golf every day that thing is fighting you're fighting all the time Yeah, and it was by the time I was also realizing there's no future in this. I'm not gonna ever have any money I'm always gonna be poor. I'm always gonna be like wondering where my next paycheck's coming from This is there's no money in this and there was no UFC back then and I got talked into doing stand-up on my friends That's literally how it started this episode is brought to you by black rifle coffee the only coffee we drink here at the jerry studios

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I did with Jim Brewer Yeah, did that flew out here or flew out to California rather and that got canceled after six episodes and then I got news radio right away So I only auditioned for two shows ever Hardball and news radio and I got both of them. It was the luckiest streak of all time No acting I took a couple of acting classes that I had to take when Disney gave me the money the first development deal They said you know how to act I don't know Money it made no sense. They just wanted to put me on a sitcom and you know This is in the 90s when sitcoms was like Roseanne and Seinfeld It was a gold mine if you could find a personality that you thought was someone who would click on a sitcom that people would want to watch You know every Tuesday night or whatever it was they were they were willing to pay you a lot of money And then all of a sudden I was out in LA But it was never a desire of mine. So because it wasn't a desire of mine I didn't get nervous like I didn't get nervous doing auditions. It was not a it was not a thing Well, I was could change my life this kid. It was like what am I doing here? Yeah, what is this? What am I doing here?

It's I'm it's your good at it. That's what you're fucking doing there, man It's not it's not hard dude. It's again. It's not real acting. It's not you know Marlon Brando It's just you're just pretending that this thing is happening in the the newsroom. It's not hard

It's fucking easy. I mean the meantime. I'm doing jujitsu. I'm still sparring back then So I go to the jet center and kickbox and it's bar and so I'd go to work like this is so easy This is so easy if you can compare to stand up and kickboxing and did you notice when you said you were noticing? Damage happening because that you're head-throbbing and ringing Did you notice any other effects or did you cut it off before any effects could actually you know like long like actual things that were affecting you?

No, I didn't notice anything like I was compromised or couldn't think well or I was forgetting things It wasn't like that I think I cut it off before I got that bad But I definitely got some brain damage 100% and I think it plays a part of my impulsiveness in my I You know, I like scary things like I like I like things that make me nervous I like things that are really hard to do and I think might be part of that right that I got rattled a bunch times in my Formative years. Yeah Because from 15 to 21 who knows how many times I got hit in the head a lot You're you're very different in that way. You're you're a guy that I think like very much likes a chow the conquering the challenge You know, you know, well, it's keeps me sane. That's what keeps me sane I think you make your the voluntary things that you engage in that are way more difficult than the rest of your life It makes the rest of your life easier because these hard things that you do voluntarily voluntary adversity force yourself to do hard things all the time So then when other things that are seemingly hard come up, you're like, ah, this ain't shit compared to a cold plunge I just did a workout a hypoxia workout and so it's that I have a box in my studio that goes to it takes all the air out

So it puts you at the equivalent of 15,000 feet above sea level and you do this interval training So you do sprints on the airtime machine you get off of that and you do these kettlebell cleans and presses or swings You get off of that and they do the sled and you push the sled or you do backwards on the sled and it's got varying resistance And you do them in these 50 second 40 second and 30 second sprints So like everything else is easy. I can't I admire it. I admire the shit out of it. Well, it's just I think everybody should do something hard It keeps it keeps me sane for me. I need it. I don't know, you know, I'm not other people

I don't don't pretend to know how they feel but I know how I feel if I don't exercise regularly I have more anxiety I don't feel comfortable. I don't feel good. I'm more irritable. I don't like it I don't like that feeling when I am like when I work out really hard and I do the things I'm supposed to do I feel great. I feel friendly. I'm feel happy. I feel lights. I feel like life is easy

Yeah, it's a thing. I'm not alone smoke. It's a thing. I've noticed about you. You're very I would even say happy go lucky Kind of guy like you're very friendly. You're always in a very good mood. I'm very rarely seeing you and I see you frequently now

At the club very rarely seen you come in where you're like fuck like I don't think ever to be honest with you and it's I guess everything You're saying like it takes a choice. It's a choice to feel like that that that don't do you any good unless you're trying to do something With that fuck this unless you've got some shit You have to get done that's hard and you want to have this attitude where you're gonna attack it like fuck this like regular life Like why why why why upset why why you're not in Gaza, right? What are you doing? You're not in Ukraine How do you gonna fucking bunker? Yeah? What are you talking about? Yeah? You're living an easy life in America and you're rich

Right like what how dare I be upset sure how sure I imagine sure with the fortune the luck that I've had in this life I might be in pissed off at things That's why it doesn't bother me people talk shit about me either like okay like talk that shit You can have fun You could teach me when YouTube was doing those master classes where like a guy would sit down like Steve Martin You're like I'm gonna teach you how to do write comedy or whatever and David Mamet did one on writing or whatever You could do a master class on YouTube in how to let the shit roll off your back because I am astounded at how much it does not bother you When people are releasing clips and talking this and it's all bullshit And you're just like Have fun knock yourself out doesn't you can't stop people from having an opinion There's always gonna be people that have an opinion and then in this market of hot takes there's always gonna be people and their opinion is Negative opinions are more valuable in terms of the commodity of attention attacking someone being you know calling someone out It's more valuable in this commodity Yes, and then there's people that have legitimate differing opinions of me and they you know

They don't like this and they don't like that and only guy said this or they like this person that I had on What am I supposed to do address all of it even think about it? I police myself as much as I can believe me If I fuck something up, I'm mad at me more than anybody's mad at me right so that way I get it out on my own I don't need a lot of external validation. I don't need any. I'm not interested in that I'm interested in doing the best that I can and I hope people like it and that's it I Little shit gets new man. I know that I get like you need an outlet Joe Durosa. You need a physical outlet to calm your mind

Yes, that's you need to get a trainer hire a trainer We talked about this we have been talking about it get a trainer Yeah, because you're not gonna do it on your own get someone who you show up three times a week and they put you through the paces and Smart trainer will do it nice and slow. So the first few workouts and won't even be that hard. You'll leave there You'll feel like energized. You won't feel exhausted. You'll feel like all right. I did a little something feel good

And then he's like okay, we're there's a process, you know, we're gonna keep ramping this up slowly But surely but you're never gonna be like oh my god. I can't fucking move I went to my fucking trainer. He's killing me my back is killing. I can't get off the couch No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no good trainers gonna look at you ask you how what you've been doing Was the last time you worked out how often you do? Okay, let's start here and they'll start you off with some simple bodyweight stuff They'll put you through some different mobility exercises different stuff to just get them get the joints lubed up get everything moving And then build your body up nice and slow nice and slow. Yeah, my boy Chuck, you know Chuck

Mexican OT's dad Chuck. Yes, he Chuck right when you and I talked about you when you were like you should get a trainer Chuck said to me Unprompted he goes Joe. Let me train with you. Dude. Take him up on it. Yeah, he goes. I'll come to your apartment

Let's go. I'll come to your part as Jack. Yeah, take him up on it. He knows what he's doing And he said everything you just said he goes we're gonna go slow It's not gonna be this overwhelming thing because I get overwhelmed easily obviously and I was like Chuck It's gonna be too much and I'm gonna start and he goes we're not gonna do that. We're gonna take it really slow Let me just come to your place whatever and so I think I'm gonna start doing it with them because I just need to if you Go to the wrong trainer There's some trainers out there that are meatheads or they don't really know what they're doing and they'll beat you down And they're like fuck it push it to the like no no no no no you can't push it when someone doesn't work out When someone doesn't work out you go nice and slow nice and easy and then you slowly build up to the point We can push it right you don't take a fucking Prius and you drive it around the racetrack sideways It's not designed for that the the suspension is gonna fall off the wheels are gonna There's no traction there's no tires right you have to build up everything Yeah, and then once it gets built up then you can push it so once you get into look at Jelly Roll Jelly Roll lost literally almost 300 pounds Which is crazy now. He's running on the treadmill. He did six miles when we came in to do a podcast

We're all working out together and he's fucking running on the treadmill while we're talking we're talking He said but he can breathe he can talk he's running a good clip got in the sauna with me Do the whole thing when I first met him he's 500 pounds. Oh, yeah could barely make it up the stairs to the comedy club He couldn't couldn't walk up the stairs now. He's fit now. He's healthy. He runs all the time So it's just a process of building to get to that place like he did that show I'm a conne has this benefit every year and we went to the benefit and He performed at the benefit and he's on stage and we were backstage watching it And so we're like in the me and Tony and his girl my wife we're in the corner watching this jelly gets off stage And is a railing like a ramp to get off he grabs the railing and hops over it and lands on the other side I go dude. Do you know what you just did? I go you used to be 500 pounds

Yeah, and now you just jumped over that railing like a cat. That's why it was amazing. That's why I was so happy He's like it's crazy. It's crazy. Look at what you've done That's why that's what you have to do you have and it took him years and that's how you have to do it It has to be slowly but sure but along the way you'll feel better every step of the way It's not about it's not about breaking your body down It's about slowly introducing movement and some physical exercise and then building upon that 10 push-ups in a day Then the next day you try 12 and then a week later You're doing 15 and then two weeks after that maybe you can do 20 in a row or three weeks a month two months Whatever it is you everybody's got their own timing bodyweight squats very simple start with 10 no big deal Get to 90 degrees pack up just just enough just to get the blood moving walking is fucking great You know, it's really great walking with a weighted vest not that hard to do put 20 pound vest on 25 pound vest on walk Run block. Yeah, it's fucking great for you

Yeah, there's a lot of different things that you could do that don't crush you and then you're just gonna feel a little better You'll have a little bit of more you know vitality more blood flow and then you build upon that That's the key I was building slow I was doing three days a week and it was getting better and better and better and then and end of the summer hit August hit I started going on the road again and all of a sudden starts to taper off because you're like now I gotta fly on this day when I'm usually doing my thing and I got lazy and I got to get back into it Yeah, but the good thing is this with what you're saying with the slow bill when I start again I'm able to start where I stopped. I'm able to start there again. You know what I mean, right rather than where you began exactly Yeah, that's great. Yeah, that's listen man. It's all about momentum discipline is very important, but really momentum makes discipline a lot easier You know, it's like you say oh, you've got really good discipline like Sorta I got started once you get started. It's more about momentum than it is about discipline

Right, and then it's also about writing things down if you just write it down you have to do it Right write it down and make it check that way instead of like keeping this thing in my head Oh, I'm just gonna figure out my own workout. I'll do this. I'll do that No, I have a whiteboard I write down on the whiteboard This is what we're doing and then you just do it. Yeah, I had a list in my phone These are your exercise 20 reps of each of these and I just kept adding yeah exercises I don't know a good app, but I'm sure there's some out there that'll look a really good workout app that'll vary Workout every day based upon your level based upon like how much experience you have I try it's there Can't the apps get confusing I tried a couple of them There's got to be a good one out there. I just don't know what they are it's a lot of questions that I'm like I don't fucking know man, that's because they're trying to make it good They're gonna try to make an app that you know gives you what you need, but yeah exercise apps again There's there's good ones. I'm sure but exercise apps kind of became like dating apps where there's a million

They're all saying we're gonna change your life in three days and you're like nothing most important is a real good trainer Is more important because he can correct your form in real time Tell you why don't do it like they're gonna hurt you back Don't do it like this put too much pressure on this and that and you know balanced whatever it is He can get you to do it correctly, which is more important than anything Yeah, when especially once you start actually lifting weights, you know Pavel Tatsulin who's the he's the guy who really brought kettlebells to popularity in America's Russian cat And a great system of training and but one of the things that he said that really stuck with me said strength is a skill And you should think of strength as a skill. Okay, so like when you're working on your skills like a kettlebell cleans and presses You shouldn't be exhausted you should do look he does instead of doing it to failure You know like a lot of people like to work to fail like imagine you can clean and press 50 pounds 10 times until you're like really exhausted I'm the tenth time you're really kind of cooked don't do 10 you do five right just do five and then wait a long time wait Like five minutes rest up completely and then do another five do it that way that's interesting because that way You're always fresh and you're working on skill You're still getting the same amount of repetitions, but you're not torturing your tissue. You're not taxing your system

You're learning and you're not taking any shortcuts. You're not moving weird You know like leading into something in a weird way You're gonna hurt yourself because you're all that along you're doing everything with correct form because you're not exhausted Yeah, but you're still getting the same amount of work in the rest time is interesting because I always thought well It like I was doing two different types of pushups. I was doing the fucking 45 finger spread Downhold up whatever and I could get through 20 of those initially I couldn't and then when I was able to get through 20 I was like holy shit And then I was doing a different push up with arms back like this and those when I got to that I'd hit 10 And I'd be like fuck and then I'd sit for a minute and then I a minute would go about it Like you gotta do the other 10 because if you don't if you wait too long I always thought waiting too long was a bad thing But you're saying no actually rest five minutes take a break There's nothing wrong with it as long as you have the time to do the same amount of reps You just want to get enough work in so your body forces adaptation It doesn't have to be all to failure now again depends on what we're trying to do right if you're trying to build up muscular endurance Then yeah, you go to failure depends on what you're trying to do if you're just trying to get stronger

That's a different thing and then you know obviously I do different kinds of workouts like the workout I did today This is all exhaustion stuff. It's all sprinting. It's not like the kettlebell stuff This is all high altitude and it's all like maximum intensity on the air-dined bike maximum intensity on a sled maximum intensity on the kettlebell Cleanse you're beating yourself up because you're only doing for 50 seconds and then or 60 seconds and then 30 seconds So it's like I do a bunch of different kinds of exercises, but when I would do like strength stuff I've I don't ever do it to failure Can you do is there a thing like like some people go the hundred push-ups a day whatever that's their thing I always wondered well is it the same if you do a hundred push-ups just throughout the day 100% 100% Doesn't matter if you start at 9 and finish at 3 farmers don't lift hay to failure, right?

They pick up a belle hey, they chuck it under the pile they go back to get another one They pick up a belle hey they chuck it on the pile they go back to another one they push a wheelbarrow They fucking hammer a post down they do a bunch of different things they do it all throughout the day But they're never doing anything where they're just very rarely at least where they're lying flat on their back breathing Like they think they're gonna have a fucking heart attack right they never have that they never get to the point where they're dropping the Bailhakers our arms are shaking and like one more rep But yeah, they get ridiculously fucking strong right why because of all the work it doesn't have to be work to failure in our mind We think oh you have to go to failure in order to get stronger right again We're talking about very specific things getting stronger using kettlebells Especially but you do dumbbells and other things as well if you're now if you're doing something else like if you're trying to get maximum Mount of a bench press you're trying to like win a competition or maximum mount chain ups you can do then it's a different thing We're talking about different thing, but if you're just talking about overall building strength for your body The most important thing is volume I think okay, and it's if you can do like I said I think this

Principle that Pablo Tazulin has is a really good one that instead of doing 10 if you do 10 to failure do five wait a while Do five again, and I think it lessens the opportunity to get injured You're much less likely to get injured doing it that way Yeah, I'm very rarely injured from working out very rich from just kettlebell stuff like very rarely right all right all right You're inspiring me to hop back in and and start doing it again. I've got a I've really just needed to help you You know get mexican OT's dad. Yeah, you get him to help you. Yeah, he knows what he's doing Yeah, yeah, that's fucking Jack Yeah, that's that's perfect guy and he's the way what he said is the right He knows what he's doing. That's why he's the guy to get you do it nice and slow Just build you up and also he's fun. So hang out with yeah, you like that too

You don't be an annoying trainer. It's always asking you to post about him on Instagram You post on an energy drink I'm trying to promote yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you get those DMS Exhausting Yeah, all right. I'm back. There you go. You're back. I'm back in baby

I read the craziest thing today and I need to find out it's true I said you the thing that we're Nick Fuentes was talking about Jamie So apparently there was this plot where Iran was trying to kill Trump Remember when he was supposed to get in the Air Force one that cotter gave him and then instead he flew in the old Air Force one Okay, well They're saying that he actually didn't even go in the old Air Force one that they snuck him out on a truck Okay, like some fucking cargo truck Okay, and then put him in another kind of plane and flew him out of there And then they put the press in Air Force one because they were think they were apparently worried they were gonna target Air Force one as well So imagine Trump with the press on Air Force one And they were thinking about possibly targeting them holy shit He hit an airport catering container and was taken to a military jet for a secret flight out of the country after the NATO summit last month And this is being reported by the New York Times the thing is though I think they put the press on Air Force one So if they flew him out was because they were worried they were gonna try to take down Air Force one and they took the press Take the press off and they know that

Know that we know right in games exactly normal exactly and if the press died so sad oh my you just get more press That's fucking wild if that's true that is so wild that he didn't even tell them hey guys We're not really gonna get on this plane. No one's getting on this plane you guys get out of here Go take America's airlines home. No, he's like hop on it's safe. Yeah, it's Air Force one guys might gift to you pick Air Force one Enjoy it. There's food up their sandwiches on there. Enjoy yourself. Is that absolutely what happened?

The reporters on the older plane were not told that mr. Trump had not flown with them from Turkey to an airbase in Britain Making them unwitting participants in the ruse and leaving them along with some White House staff members to serve as Unknowing decoys holy shit. They ride in Britain. He was secretly moved back to the older version of Air Force one bro Jesus Christ those press people were signing up for something they didn't know They didn't know what they're signing up for it And they didn't tell them at all that when you want to know like who's more important you were the president That's when you find out go here. They just throw you on Air Force one It's boom all of a sudden you turn into fucking proton. It's like fucking good fellas when he's telling Karen to go go

Go go down the dressers Okay Shit that is fucking wild. Isn't that crazy that is fucking wild. Yeah, yeah, are they are they is there been backlash? Are they are they are they are they're game? Are they saying anything who's saying the press?

That would perturb me That's so crazy. Holy shit. Imagine if it blew up. It's like I should have been there wanted to be there with them when they died He would probably talk shit about them. Oh my god. That is fun. Maybe they had written nicer things about me

I've told them. Oh my god. Did you I just watched um I just watched a Michael Michael Jackson movie. How was it? Look, it's the first part of his life up to bed. They don't get into any of the crazy shit

They're saying they're making a sequel that they might get into the some of the crazy shit But it was it was fun. I'm a big Michael Jackson I was fun to watch but I started reading up on Michael Jackson afterwards because I was like it just it was very nostalgic to watch Do you know this when he died? He was pronounced dead at Neverland Ranch and they lied to the press and said that he was at a hospital already and pronounced dead because they Had to get the body out in Neverland Ranch and they knew if he pronounced him dead at Neverland Ranch They wouldn't be able to get the fucking body out of the goddamn house Why because they said the press would leak it and the clamoring of fans and whatever else would literally have blocked them from getting the fuck From transporting the body so they had to lie and say he's dead already But he's at this hospital and it was a decoy because that's how fucking famous he was They were like we can't drive his dead body from this location to another or we're never gonna get it's steel the body I'll get a finger yeah something we got a finger we have garden glippers something trust steel and here's another crazy thing Because I know you've talked about the Michael Jackson like the conspiracies around his death on the show before there's another crazy thing

I didn't know he owned you know He had that fast music catalog that he bought right of music publishing right on the Beatles Beatles Eminem You bought Eminem Eminem made fun of him in a video and he bought Eminem's fucking catalog is a fuck you The most pimp move ever I'm gonna buy all your folks. Yeah He owns this catalog right it's I think he might own Dylan It was crazy that the the rights to the music that he owns was not right he's with Sony Sony wants the publishing back on all these artists and he owns it and when he did his last album He had to take out a loan against the record company of two hundred million dollars to do the album because he didn't have a lot of money left And they said you got to put up collateral and he goes alright I'm gonna put up a portion of the catalog as collateral and then he before he died He goes they're not promoting my album and because they're not promoting my album It's not selling and then everybody closed him said it was a ruse They didn't promote the album on purpose so that he would lose the fucking catalog because he wouldn't be able to pay the loan back

And then right after that he died really fucked up. That's the business. He was in yeah, you buy people shit They fuck you over that's how it works. Yeah. Yeah, it's come on man. Well, it's dark playing war

He's playing war if they blow up Air Force one you gotta go hey, maybe we shouldn't have fucking killed the leader During the Ramadan. This is how it works. This is the game. We're in this is the business we chose In some days in the business of fucking over his enemies They decided he was their enemy they fucked him over the doctor that administered the drug that killed him is out of jail already Two years and they're like now this guy was just a fall guy Well, the thing about the doctor is he was asking the doctor to do that the doctor shouldn't have done that Mm-hmm is not like the doctor killed him on purpose like he wanted to get an esitize I think he was so crazy that he couldn't sleep and he was so out of his fucking mind And he was probably on a bunch of stuff He probably wasn't just on propofol if you're willing to take propofol to go to sleep what else you take it right you take it's Some other things yeah, right the doctor the one thing that he said that I found very fascinating was that he said that Michael Had been chemically castrated when he was young to maintain his voice I've heard that you know and it makes sense it completely makes sense if you look at his body It makes sense his body looks like it's devoid of testosterone. Yes. It has no testosterone

He's very thin if you look at his brothers. They're all thick. They're all like big dudes. Yeah, Jermaine They're all like men. They look like men like thick men. Yeah, he looks thin and he looks very different than them

That's not normal. Yeah, that's not normal That isn't that's not even normal if you don't work out and he was a dancer So he was incredibly athletic right so in all the working out that he did he should have been supple I mean he was obviously he could move so good. I mean he was his movement was incredible Did you ever see that Bob Fosse movie that apparently he got all those moves from the one well, okay? So which the mini series that Sam Rockwell was in or all that jazz there was a movie no before that a long earlier and It's Bob Fosse doing all the dance moves that Michael Jackson did. I don't move you're talking about it's him and like a little kid Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I mean it's literally all of Michael Jackson's signature dance moves come from this one movie watch this Watch how he moves. Yep, so there's this he's doing this, but then he also moonwalks like look at this

Like all this this is Michael Jackson Wow, I mean a hundred percent. Yo, wow look at this The kick and the point with the toes and putting it down the movement. Yeah. Yeah I mean it's literally every movie does look at that that point with the kick and the toes even the outfit It's a 1974 movie the little Prince yeah little Prince rather even the outfit with the fedora bro I mean literally he mirrored his movements It is incredible that Bob Fosse had the stamina and ability to keep dancing like that for his entire life until he dropped That because if you watch the Sam Rockwell mini series Fosse and Virdin, which is an amazing mini series that guy Bro, he was I mean it was intake. That's all it was he'd wake up He's popping fucking pills speed boom boom boom coke booze cigarettes all day long chains Well, can chain smoke and chains Drunk through the whole fucking day popping pills doing coke and the fact that he could still stand and not just stand choreograph

Broadway shows for hours and be that agile whenever is that's insane because he loved it. It's insane That's the thing find the thing you love find that thing and you will have the energy to pursue it It's really it but but aren't you aren't you a little maze that his intake of substance could not would not hinder it It's kind of crazy, you know, but I mean we've seen that before You know yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I hear you there's people that have um Unreal tolerances like Shane with with booze is unreal Yeah, when you see him pound 16 Budlights and not a slur not a stammer It's what nothing doesn't miss a beat puts the sunglasses on it starts getting crazy Like we do protect our parks and he'll have a stack of empties at the end you're like that is insane You should be dead you should literally be dead my favorite chain story ever ever I don't mean to tell his story, but this is my favorite chain story ever and I was the other day I go dude. You have to do that on tires. It's so funny. He said he ate chicken fingers And he felt sick and he goes to the doctor because he's like I think I have food poisoning or something like something's wrong, right?

He goes the doctor goes You know he's asking all the questions how much do you do this? Whatever he goes how many drinks do you have in a week and Shane said he took a beat and he's like I'm gonna be honest for once and he goes The doctor starts laughing he goes no come on and seriously he goes 80 and the doctor goes It's not the chicken fingers And I go what happened he goes I went home I threw up I was fine the next day. What's the chicken fingers? We Were at we were at Chappelle's summer camp thing the ranch thing and we're hanging out and I'm about to go on She goes come on. I have a drink. I'm a drink. I go dude. I already had two man

Like I gotta go on dude. I gotta be cool. I gotta be careful like he goes having my drink dude You'll be fine. I go Shane. I don't want to be tipsy. He goes what number drink is that for you?

I go three he goes I've had 17 Bud lights have another fucking dream And I just want to be alone a drunk man. He wants you to be there with him and happy drunkly. He's a happy drunk though The best I'd love him. He's so fun. He's such a fun dude. He's such such a unique person

He's very different than anybody I've ever met. He's like you would think by look by you know You hear him talk you think like he's similar to someone you know, but he's not no different dude fucking smarter shit Too knows a fuckload about history loves history loves history and yeah, he's a very unique specimen He's and as you said a very fun drink. I was just down at the beach with him and He was on the beach all day and I was at the house I called it early and I was just kind of chilling out inside with McCusker And Tommy watching a movie we're just chilling and she came back from the beach And he was all fucking tuned up from white clons where he was drinking And I was laying on this love seat in the room watching the movie and he just kept coming up to me and he's kept tickling me He's going come on dog. Oh, you're awesome. You're fun. It's just he's so fun man. Yeah, he's a life of the party

Him and Joey D is in a room together with everybody else is like oh my god You got two enormous personalities life at the party in the room together. He has kills me He's the best man. He's out here all the time now. I know yeah I mean he's getting a place here at the end of the month and he's gonna do a residency So he's gonna do like two weeks a month. He's gonna be here. That's awesome. That's fucking incredible. It's incredible

He's the best man. He's the fucking best. It's it's so fun having a rep. I was doing the last time he was here I was doing my monthly my and friend show at the mothership and And he was the first the first comic was on whenever and he goes he's like Joe could I go up on your show? I go of course and he went up and it was just seeing the pop from the audience and just I was like man It's fucking great dude. It's fucking fun having him around. We're very lucky. We're very lucky

We got an amazing group of people around us all the time. It's a lot of fun And he said the funniest fucking thing we were talking about like diet and exercise and lifestyle change You know and uh covid I was doing too much of this or that anyway And I go when was your big change man? He goes Joe, you know what fucking day it was and it's the day of the fucking resurrection And we go what he goes fucking January 6 the fucking resurrection we go to me in the insurrection He goes fuck it was called I don't give a fuck He used to call could be even I'm gonna go in off call a beeb the fucking call a beeb guy You know, it's part of his charm fucking up people's names. Oh my god. He's so funny the best dude man Yeah, he lives right near where my parents live in Jersey and uh I was like, oh dude man when I go see my folks I'm gonna I'm gonna get in the car and drive up and hang out with you for a night because it would be such a great break From just being with my mom and dad and he's just the piece the best man He's just got a truly big hearted dude. I was really worried once he moved to New Jersey

Because I went with him we went out to eat New Jersey and he's the king of New Jersey I'm like fuck everywhere go Joey. Yeah cheering yelling his name went to the restaurant Everybody knows him. It's like immediately everybody's like running over to take care of us. Joey's here. Joey's here I'm like always the king of New Jersey. He's never gonna leave. He loves it here

But there wasn't enough comedy there for him. Yeah, what are it wasn't enough comics and one things that I always say is that we don't exist in a vacuum We always exist with each other comics in particular. You can't really Do comedy by yourself you can but you can't do it to your best you need other people doing it around you You need to see it you need to get around it the hang the talking about bits in the green room is so huge Mm-hmm like a son is giving me two killer taglines after like seeing seeing a bit and saying what about this? Oh my god, that's perfect Yeah, like those things like we're always like tuning each other shit up or reminding each other of a bit I remind like I remember Tony's bit better than Tony does sometimes right I gotta tell him how a bit goes He's like oh my god. I forgot that I'm like to go do that go do that right now and when I'm gonna write that Murdered that's great. I like you forgot the bit. Yeah, it's uh, it's a very it's a very

It's a very individualized sport in the sense of of golf where you're playing like you're always playing against yourself But it's a very communal sport in the sense that you're not playing necessarily in a literal sense with the team like like a sketch group would But you're playing with the team You know what I mean? Yeah, team is is in the green room the team you're playing with the team in the sense that your buddy is on before you your buddy is on after you You're all doing set together and and the game is I gotta play my best game because I've got to follow the guy that you said a good game Yes, I have to be the guy after me to have a good game So I can't fuck up his game. Yes, and it's it's a very interesting dynamic of team versus individual play It's also just the atmosphere elevates you and I noticed that for sure about the comedy store in the glory days and the glory days like 2014 to 2019 when we left There was so much activity there was so many guys that were going up There's so much good comedy that you would just get elevated just being around it like it raised your own personal bar like what your high Watermark was and just you know, you're around like guys are really tight acts and it just it really helps helps everybody

It's just it's so important to be around other great comics, you know, and that's why these hubs like New York is so great for that LA and now Austin It's like these hubs are so important because you really we go on the road on the weekends Right that was the thing about the store but on Tuesday and Wednesday were some of the best nights because on Tuesday and Wednesday It would be jessil neck Diaz fucking Greg Fitzsimmons Don I rare over and over a murderers row so bird would pop in and maybe Chris Rock was in town It was like god damn these nights were insane. They were so good. I'll tell you The reason I moved to Austin and the thing that continues to be the greatest challenge for me here in a good way In a constructive way Because people say all the time to me online and shit They'll be like oh you you moved to Austin to for kill Tony. I'm like I didn't fucking move to Austin We go that I knew Tony and I were friends and I had done the show I didn't become kind of a part of that show and so after I lived here because Tony started to put me on and we started to have fun

And then it grew from there you and I were buddies but like we're much tighter as pals now than we were well We're around to it all the time exactly yeah So I moved here primarily for Well number one I love Austin and I always and I used to live here And I always want to go back and want you to do comedy here It was like a reason to go back right and you could work and you could work the other reason was I was Was like I did New York I did LA I want a new challenge and there's a new scene now and all that stuff But the thing that puts me on my toes the most and still does is this is the best place for young comics to be able to pursue comedy Because they can actually live here. They can afford it New York has become unaffordable LA has become unaffordable a young comic can come here can live Like a human being and pursue their dream and those are the guys that keep me on my because you're like dude It doesn't matter if I'm the only guy on this lineup that has done TV or whatever You got five people going up that are fucking swinging for the fences because when you're young you really are like I gotta fucking prove myself

You're following even if it's for unknown people they're doing their a shit They are trying to kill as hard as humanly possible and you're like alright I guess this I got I gotta fucking bring it you know what I mean There's that it's also their enthusiasm for it You know and the thing about Austin is we have a real system at the club that actually develops talent Yes, we have two nights of open mic nights and we have a real talent coordinator Adam really watches everyone He watches the open mic nights. He gives people advice. He gets them spots. He helps them He gets them on showcase nights. He puts them on it gives them sets gives him feedback and then they get to work all around town There's five other fucking clubs on the same street man. It's crazy dude

You can walk from your place to sunset to the creek to Vulcan black rabbit to Vulcan and then If you don't mind walking 20 minutes you can be at Roscoe's East Austin, but it's fucking nuts man. It's crazy and then there's also cap city Which is on the other side of town. Yeah fucking awesome. Yeah, it's amazing here Yeah, and you know there's so many young people that have moved here now and then the kill Tony out thing the kill Tony thing is so huge because It's first of all you have one minute you have no room for virtue signaling no room for fucking claptor shut the fuck up Just where's the jokes come with the jokes and then no one takes in anybody no one's taking themselves seriously Everybody's getting cracked on everyone's cracking on everybody. It's very fun Yeah, it's a fun environment and it's just emphasizing funny. What is funny?

What makes people laugh? Yeah, and there's a bunch of different styles that do it, you know There's a bunch of different weirdos that go up every week and most of them have no chance, but there's some gems That's the thing about having like a true meritocracy where all that matters is if you're funny it's it doesn't matter what you look Like it doesn't matter what your background is there's I mean kill Tony is like one of the most diverse lineups You're ever gonna see for all the people that think that Tony's a Nazi. It's kind of hilarious trans people Disabled people, you know people from all walks of life home literal homeless people have gone stage started a career because of Kill Tony. Yeah, literally homeless while they're doing it sleeping in a car and the next thing you know they have a career Yeah, yeah, it's it's a truly amazing thing It's you know We just did teach us to MSG and I was there and did the show and then and then paneled with Jimmy car to tell You know crazy that is that kill Tony sells out Madison Square Garden two nights in a row crazy when I first did it with him We did it in the fucking the belly room. Yeah, the store and the only people in the audience were like comics There was nobody in the audience. There was like 10 other people maybe dude. I remember I was down here to do

South I was when I still lived in New York. I was down here to do South by Southwest and Tony hit me up and he goes buddy. Are you in town Monday? I go. Yeah, he goes. Hey, this was buddy

He goes come do kill Tony right I go okay. I'd see him in years, you know And the last I saw him I did it in the belly room. Maybe the main right or you know whatever It was a promise for dude. I walked into the fucking Vulcan because it was before mothership open I walked into the Vulcan it was a fucking thunder dome dude. It was two levels people like you could feel the excitement Dude, I walked in the green room. Tony goes there he is. I go what the fuck is going on

What is going on? I go is it like this every week? He goes it sells out in one minute. I Go did these people fly in he's like yeah, I was like dude It's broken our ticket our ticket service multiple times where it's just the the overwhelming demand the people that are trying to get tickets Versus the tickets that are available. It's so crazy. It crashes the system. That's nuts

We had to like revamp the system multiple times just to deal with the kill Tony sales. That's fucking nuts Well, it's just because it's so good. It's that simple and if you've gone you want to go again. It's so fun It's it's that moment It was like in memory casino when Pesci goes out to Vegas for the first time and didn't hero goes and this is whatever Sharon Stone's character's name is And then Pesci looks at Sharon Stone he goes only shit ace. What the fuck you've been doing out here It was that yeah, it was like I saw that crowd that crowd was Sharon Stone Yeah, Tony was the mirror and I go what the fuck you've been doing out here Well, the Vulcan really opened up our eyes to the fact that we needed a club and what happened was no one had done any stand up at all For months and then Tony and I did the Houston improv, which was great It was a lot of fun. It was a weekend

It was in the middle of the covid it was in July and everyone was scared and I did it It was a lot of fun. I hadn't done stand up in months It was so much fun, but then I started thinking what if I get covid and then give it to one of my fucking guests and kill them It was back when people were really worried. Yeah, sure I was like, oh no because I have like these people to come in some of them are older Yeah, you know And I had this lady on who was a scientist and she was older and I was like what if I gave her a covid and killed her Yeah, cuz I was back in the day That was also but people were really convinced that you could be asymptomatic and still spread it which turned out really what was going on Was there was a lot of false positives for the PCR test 80 plus percent false positives, right? And so I said let me just take time off. I don't want to do that I just feel totally responsible Just because I would want to get my comedy fix let me just ride this out and then we wound up moving to Texas and by the time we moved to Texas it was around November and Dave and I were doing these outdoor shows. I remember that stops. Yeah, we're doing shows and stops

Which was a lot of fun, but everybody had to be tested people had a weight in line You know, it was like it was a big deal and a few people tested positive. We got to kick them out, right? Then the Vulcan just are doing shows fuck your tests Let's just go back to where it was and this is in November and Ron White went up And he hadn't gone up in like eight months and done any stand-up eight months and he went on stage and the audience went fucking berserk They went berserk like people were standing up. Yeah, and he Murdered I mean Ron White just laid it down for 15 minutes. I'm sure and then he grabs me by the shoulders off So we're the fuck we have to do we're gonna keep doing this because you got to open up that club And I was like, okay, we're gonna open up and that was when I decided Mike That's it we're gonna open up a club and then I immediately started looking at real estate immediately tried to find a place Wow, I didn't know that I didn't know that that's how the whole that was it Ron White grabbing me because Ron White is why I moved In the first place so I knew Ron moved here in 2018 And you know me and Ron were talking on the phone He's absolutely love it here and you know he's telling me how great Austin was and everything else was locked down I was like look if I moved to Austin if no one's doing stand-up again ever at least I can hang out with Ron

Like she'll be a comic that I can hang out with and live in a place where it's like more relaxed and easier to get around It sure you don't have to wear a mask everywhere It was like it was at least it was more chill here Yeah, even if we never do stand-up again and so him doing that just grabbing me and saying we're gonna Do like he was just on fire coming off stage just on fire and just grab my shoulders I was like, okay, we're doing it. That's fucking great And that's when I was always we were talking about it We should open up a club where we and I looked at a bunch of different places with the construct and they were trying to fuck me They were just waiting much money for these places like during the beginning stages of the pandemic when everyone was moving here for California Everyone got crazy with real estate. They got really not always that shit They got really delusional the prices went up like a hundred percent in a lot of places Yeah, I'm going through it now because I bought a condo here And I'm trying to sell the condo and buy a house and it's very tricky now because the market has shifted so much and values are Way too many condos for sale way too many. I'm worried that I'm gonna end up buying this house Not be able to get rid of this goddamn condo. You have to keep the condo. I don't have any need for it

I'm like, I don't know what I would do with it You know, but I also don't want to live in this condo anymore because originally that's where he takes sketchy women I think they're gonna run do you think my rob you because I know usually you did a lot sketchy go Take it to the condo have a house where it's like calm and peaceful a little bit off the track get a little yard You know get some peace and quiet and take it to our country's why is there only an air mattress in here? How come you only have four pairs underwear? Yeah, it's not a bad it's not a bad point you make a few people my condo I'm coming to you know, this is a mistake. Give us a dress away once you have people showing up at your house like oh, no It's um, it's oh Wait, you were just oh you're talking about starting the club. Oh, what's so weird is it's it's an odd Like kind of full circle moment, but when I lived here in 2000 Your club was the original Alamo. Yeah, and the Alamo draft house at that time was the only movie theater ever in the country

that served food and alcohol During a movie and I remember that being a place that I went to frequently because I thought it was so amazing that you could get food during a movie and The kinds of movies they played I loved and then on top of it I was I always saw that as the reason that I loved Austin. It was sort of just it was just sort of a symbol of why I love Dostin the concept of it all and it's so weird now that I've moved back after all these years that that's where the mothership is and now that's My symbol for living in Austin and being a part of this club and that club be getting all these other places that we get to perform in the scene And all that stuff. It's very weird like kind of full circle thing I didn't realize until right now as we're talking about we need to have a birthday party for the building the building turns a hundred next year Oh, yeah, yeah, we have to have a birthday party for the building. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, we should do something

A lot of history in that building. Yeah, cool shit You can feel it I felt it when you never got to be here when it was bare bones But when it was bare bones when it was just the movie theater before we did all the renovations and Raise the ceiling or lower the ceiling and raise the floor and changed it and made the tunnel and all the the structure that we put in place When we first got in there like you could feel it feel it like baked into the walls I mean Stevie very long performed there. What was it before the alamo? It was a bunch of different things at one point time. It was like a punk rock club So like black flag performed there like who's this?

Chili pepper is 86 so so that's why all of those Punk flyers are in the green room. The green room is all flyers from people that performed at the club their shows I didn't know that yeah, I thought it was just a cool like the core thing. Yeah, it's pretty cool That too, but it's also look at the sock over his cock Rob butthole right on our stage. Yeah, yeah, um, yeah all those things on the wall all those different people Willy Nelson all those different people performed that that was their their flyer for the show that they did when they were at the club There's so many bands on that wall. We're like yeah That's a lot of that whole surfers. Yeah, it's tons. So it was a punk rock band. It was a punk rock club

It was a rock and roll club. It was a pool hall for a while Uh, it was a new de movie theater. Yeah, amazing Yeah, and then obviously it became the alamo and then the alamo went under I think before the pandemic went under And then it was available, you know, like a year and I looked at it and I was like, yeah It's like too much work and and then um that was from what year? 74 wow so that's fat man. Yep. That's what it used to look like

Fuck man. I mean it looks different obviously, but it doesn't look that different like you can look a lot more narrow Yeah, what I don't understand like what what happened? I wonder if it was two rooms back then I don't know it looks different. It looks very different in terms of like that looks more like it right Oh different one. Um, yeah, the middle one looks like it Oh, yeah, the middle one looks more like it go back to that again. Yeah, that looks more like the dimensions

Fuck man We fit 250 people in the the big room, but I think we could fit a lot more if we have seating like the comedy works in denver Which I think is the best seat that's what it looked like when we first got there We first got there it looked like that and we walked in and we're like holy shit The stage was really high obviously because it was like movie theater Sure and the seating was uh at an angle a very sharp angle like a movie theater And so we had to raise the floor up Um, so it was flat in the center and there's just a slight raise in the back And then we kept those two balconies go back up to that picture right there Those two balconies that we have obviously we have the green one balcony and then the VIP balcony Which is such a dope thing to have yeah Because it's always always friends that come by that want to want to come by and see the show and you always have 40 seats You know, you could always get 40 people up there. So there's always those balconies fit 40 people. Yeah, holy shit That's crazy. We always can stuff plenty of people back up in there. That's fucking wow I had no idea the building was as old as you just said it was Yeah, I had no idea all that other shit was 19 27 Is this still the main room or is this little boy?

Kansas City, sorry, okay, sorry I'm simply looking but you know we tried to figure out how to do it Do we do it just like initially we thought well, maybe we should do it just like this like have seating like movie theater seating And then we're like no we should probably like raise the floor up and make it flat in the front It would make more sense You know and then we had to figure out like what to do at the stage and then Louie gave me some really good advice We were gonna keep the ceiling the way it was and Louie was like how can you lower it? And I was like I think we could lower it like and still get some view out of the balcony So we had to figure out how to lower the ceiling just enough so he made a difference And then he said lower the ceiling in the little boy too and we did that and then we also made the stage smaller in the little boy This is all Louie's advice. He was dead on I was like tell me what you think I left listen to everybody I gotta say in what to do you know what to have like Brian Simpson It was his idea to have the the lights in the green room the light that shows you something's got the light in the big room So he's got a lot the light in the little room and then I think it was Tony's idea to put the timers one of the other Maybe it was Tony for the lights Brian for the timer I forget but everybody had a little piece of the like

I think it was Brian's idea to have monitors. It's like everybody got to say in how it's done That's what it looked like when you first walked in now. What's it look like now? I never go into the front I know go to it go to what it looks like now. It looks like an image of the mothership similar and it's been redone I was it looks similar enough that you can see oh yeah, I mean it's essentially was set up perfectly for two rooms There's no pictures of the the UFO That's kind of crazy. So we have a big UFO as you walk in. Yeah, there it is

That's the UFO and it is a projector So the UFO is a projector and up on the screen it projects all the people that are coming soon That's amazing. We've been open for three years now and it's been the most fun thing that I've ever been a part of Salary so I've walked under that projector a thousand times and I never realized out of the UFO I mean I never realized it was projecting shit. Yeah, it's so funny. Yeah, we just wanted to want to make it cool Well, and it's also I think it's a fire extinguisher. I think the center of it is a fire I think we had to have one so we put it in the center of the UFO That same that same time I was talking about during South by Southwest and um when I did kill Tony That it was me and Adam Ray were on panel and and the next day Eric invited us over to see the club It wasn't done yet, you know, but he walked us in. I remember him walking me through little boy

And being like we're gonna do this. We're gonna do this. Yeah, I remember he goes you're gonna play here I go I fucking hope so I hope so, but yeah, it was it was wild seeing it Like you know in the construction phase and and whatever and then seeing the final product and remembering like oh, I remember he told me they were gonna Change that it's been really fun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's you know

It's I think few people are in a position to have created a club that can operate the way a club I dearly should operate and you're one of those people and you made it work Which is well, you have to do it not to make money. Yeah, like my goal in the beginning was just break even That was a goal like let's just break even so the idea is everybody gets paid what they're supposed to get paid Particularly the comics get that's what everybody's here to see They're not there to buy drinks in an empty room. They're there to see the comics so the comics should get the most money Yeah, that's you know what I always think when I go to other clubs I'm like this is crazy like but I always tell comedians be nice to club owners because you don't want to be one You don't you don't want to be right the guy that has to run these fucking Places and deal these maniacs that come in and especially some of the nuttier ones on the road You know like can you imagine if you had to run the funny bone in columbus or hile?

Fucking animals that show up just miss their flights and they're fucking they do ecstasy the night before they can't read Yeah, yeah, it's 830 the headliners not there yet. What he's trying to score coke. Yeah, it's it's I I I always I always said that to I was like I would never want to be in a position where I have to deal with comics from that side of it Especially comics coming up. There's like most established comedians once you've been doing it a long time You have a career you're like you're reliable, you know, you know saying like if you book, you know Fill in the blank. Yeah, you know whoever it is. It's like national headline. They're gonna show up

Yeah, well also to like the the profile and correct me if I'm wrong But the profile that you were able to bring to the club Probably helped you circumvent some of the horseshit that club owners in Idaho have to deal with agents and all that shit where it's like Hey, man. Sorry. There's an improv there. So we can't take our guy out of the improv or what and now you're There's a whole other battle now that you have to do well. There's that if you pay people more they'll go to your place Let's take it found out. Yeah, it pisses off the other clubs, but look that's not my fault

Like this is I am a comedian. I I made a living doing this for a long time And I know the value of the comedian. I know the value of the comic the comics should be getting most of the money You know, I don't deserve most of the money. We can make money We're gonna make money on 20% of the ticket sales and the liquor and all that jazz will make plenty of money Like this is not be greedy Let's just make an awesome environment. Right and that's what we wanted to do So the goal was never to make money So most people when they start a business their goals to try to make money Yeah, and this was a conscious decision to just not lose money. Yeah, just make it cool

It's again. Yeah, you're you're you're in a very advantageous position to make it the right way And it's also like I kind of had to do it that way because I had the resources and it's like look you're supposed to do the right thing This is this is the thing you should do But what would you like someone with that is your kind of money to do? I would like someone to make an awesome club for comics like you're a comic You know how important it is make the fucking the best creative environment welcoming everybody pump everybody up Yeah, that's what you should do dude. It's it's funny because I always say if you're if and you did this as a comic, right? I always say with them with a movie star, right? Somebody who's got you know real movie star bank

I'm just like man. Why the fuck don't more of these guys that have endless cash start creating film situations that they want to be a part of Not I don't mean like we're gonna do the next blockbuster thing or we've got a franchise or whatever It's like why don't you take 10 million bucks and make the fucking art fucking movie with all of your friends that you always wanted to make Because who cares you will break even you will break even at the very least I never ever ever understood why more people in that position don't do it I don't get it because rock stars do it all the time rock stars start a little label Yeah, and they start putting on other bands that they love and they do passion projects because they want to work with their friends I've never maybe not never but it's very rare that you ever see a movie star do that and I'm like why not do it for years American Psycho was the big one the bready sinellis novel Why haven't they made a accurate adaptation? Well, the studios don't want to touch it because it's too violent. It's just like Somebody with 500 million dollars who's a movie star fucking go

I'm gonna do it and I'm gonna do it the way it's supposed to be done and it's gonna work because that's what people want to see and fuck it man Like I just I don't get it. Do you think that the uh christian bail version was not accurate? I like the christian bail version a lot, but it is not the book the book is fucking dark. It's brutal Yeah, they're shitting that book I was reading that book and I was like bready stanellis has murdered somebody Their details in here was like I don't understand how you would know this like There's one of the darkest scenes in that book is when um he goes to get rid of the body and the real estate guys sees him In in the room because they're selling the apartment And so he realized the real estate guys already gotten rid of the body Yeah, and they look at each other and he just leaves yeah, and you're like oh god Yeah, and there was by the way, I was just joking about bready stanellis. I don't think he's murdered somebody. I feel like we have to say that

Very important clarify. Yeah. Yeah. I was just joking But but the thing the book did and they cut it they cut a major scene out of the movie It's the one extra scene on the on the blu ray And I don't understand why they deleted it But there's a scene in the movie where his friend says they're at the club at the beginning and his friend goes I'm out of here And the guy climbs up like these like rafters or whatever and crawls into like a fan vent in the club And you never see him ever again And that's the part in the book that makes you go is this all in this fucking guy's head What he just described happening is nuts All right, and this guy is now gone and nobody knows where he is and i'm like Is it that's such a key scene and they cut it out of the movie and so whatever they're remaking it now again Yeah, who's gonna be american psycho? I think maybe adam driver is connected to it. I think maybe good at that

Um, he's got a lot of psycho behind his eyes. But the shards is the new bready stanellis adaptation on on fox What is it? It's his last novel and it's a it's a it's a fictional autobiography Where he the main character is him as a teenager and there's a serial killer at loose And all these murders are happening. They're targeting teenagers these brutal fucking murders And there's a cult happening that's reminiscent of the mansing cult and then he's also coming of age and realizing He's gay and like as he's trying to deal with the fact that this murder thing is happening and he thinks he knows who it is And it's a wild story But there and he's he co-created it with ryan murphy the tv show the adaptation is really fucking good so far really good So it's a period piece. Yeah, it takes place like 83 or 84. You know i could tell the Ferrari yeah

old Ferrari Oh, wow But it's one of the adaptations where i feel like they're really capturing a lot of what's actually in the book Because less than zero was a cool movie, but it's not the book rules of attraction is a great movie And that's he said that was the closest thing he had that anybody had gotten to the bucks It's american's cycle would be very hard to capture the darkness of it because you also are capturing this guy's internal dialogue You know which is some of it. Yeah, it's dark. So what would you do? We have a guy narrate the internal dialogue you're missing something well they did that with bale he t narrates the entire thing I know but you're missing something there. It's very funny You you how do you mean because I think instead of hearing it when you're reading the internal dialogue You understand that there's no you don't hear the voices right?

You know, I mean like this guy's got some fucking creepy shit going on in his head I mean yeah, he's a fucking so yeah, it's like oh bathic murderer Yeah, it's like you get into his head in this way that I don't think you ever do in a movie Like you're in his head when you're reading it because you're imagining it all happening in his head You're imagining how he's viewing like the real estate scene like he's locking eyes this real estate guy There's this a creepiness to it that's like whoo he plays the best scene acting wise in my opinion in that movie is when when they're comparing The business cards and they're like they're like one up at each other look in mine, man It's bone white and whatever and Christian Bale starts sweating and he gets like horses like it's nice Because it's this fucking pissing contest whereas the best business card and he's so upset that he doesn't have the best business card Yeah, that he wants to kill that guy yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly I'm listening to this podcast about Luigi the other guy murdered the healthcare executive It's a very very interesting podcast You know details how they caught him the whole deal

But one of the things they brought up was one of the first things they thought of after that guy got assassinated was Probably somebody worked with Really? Yeah, they had to find out whether or not someone had some sort of a grudge Someone got recently fired when you know because when people get murdered like that you oftentimes think it could be a co-worker I have a core form or co-worker. I have a question for you about Luigi. I'm glad you brought it up I'm so sorry. I have to pee really bad. I'm gonna pee really fast. I'll be a question question about Luigi

You know what my fucking manager does it. It's everybody doesn't it's really fucking annoying sorry Joe Is it more annoying than boiling your own coffee? No, no nothing's more annoying than that The um turning on the stove filling the pot When does it end when does it end? What were we doing Luigi? Yeah, this is what I wanted to ask you because there was a theory Well, they were all the way okay. Not publicly. There were all the people

You know that Luigi sparked that whole debate about justified violence or whatever which I thought was bullshit Um, but everybody that was raw rawing Luigi going he's a hero and how many people is this healthcare guy killed? No, that bullshit I wonder now what everybody's saying about the fact that Luigi is doing the insanity plea and it's like well He didn't really stick to his fucking I mean if that's was his thing he was gonna be the big crusader for him He's just playing the legal system. I mean that's the smart move play the insanity Well, it's the smart move if you're not so might be accurate But also is it the smart move if you're trying to I know it's a smart move I'm saying if you're gonna go out there and go I did this because it was justice and whatever and then go Wait actually next I was a little crazy. Here's the point if you did shoot a man who had nothing to do with you Because you thought it was justice because he was a healthcare executive. I don't know how he picked that guy I don't know the details of what that guy's done. He was he particularly bad?

He was killed. I think he was a CEO. No, he was he was it was definitely targeted that this man is this man is responsible for decisions made They was the CEO Jamie of United healthcare is that what he was so um if you think that you should go murder somebody Like that that you should be probably mentally ill if you think that that kind of violence is justified The problem that a lot of young people are having right now And a lot of people that agree with you know what Luigi did and they celebrated it is because Everyone knows that the system is rigged and no one is doing anything to change it And this is what drives people fucking crazy if you get health insurance and their whole Business model is to deny as many claims as possible even if they know that your claims are justified because they want to make money So they're really in the making money business and they're pretending They're in the we're gonna take care of you and give you insurance business. Yes, so they're not really in that business Yes, they're in the business of making the most amount of money if they can fuck 10 percent of the people over or 20 percent of the people over That's 20 more money And that's how they look at it and that drives everyone nuts and rightly so and they don't fucking correct that

People don't have a whole lot of options as to how to lash out and how to get back and especially if like Let's say it's your wife. Let's say your wife gets injured or gets a disease or something and they can treat her and they deny the claim Maybe she needs a surgery some crazy surgery and they deny the claim and it bankrupts you and she dies You want to murder somebody and it makes sense because you're paying for this fucking insurance all this time thinking that you're insured If something goes wrong, that's the whole reason why you give them money You don't give them money for freebies. It's not for no reason. It's not because you like them You want united health care to have a yacht. Yeah, no you give them the money because it's supposed to be an agreement I agree with that completely. I have no beef with the concept behind

His his motivations for hatred of of a health care CEO. I have no problem with that My question is is it is it does it take away from does it take away from the people that were rah-raying him for him to now go? Oh, that's just crazy. Sorry. I don't think it does. I don't think it does

No, it's trying to not go to jail and a lot of those people think you shouldn't go to jail That's what you should go to jail I don't think you should be able to be walking up to people on the fucking street and murdering them But I can understand where your anger comes from. Sure. I get it I really do and there's a there's a thing about capitalism, right? There's a thing about corporations in particular that are you're beholden to your shareholders You have to make more money every quarter that alone that motivation alone Motivates sociopathic behavior the people that are going to be the most successful are the ones they're going to be the most ruthless And they're gonna squeeze the most money possible without Washing the company's reputation and that's their goal and in the health care market the problem is like what are your options?

There's no one amazing option where they always take care of everybody and they're real it's ethical capitalism They're just trying to look we make plenty of money giving people real insurance and really taking care of them and really paying for it And so let's make less money, but let's make everybody healthier. Nobody does that. No, no So your options if you have to get insurance are very limited You're just giving money to psychos. So which psycho gets my money? Which psycho that doesn't give a fuck about me or my family or anybody I love if they get hurt or sick every year every year that I don't do A writing gig on a TV show, which is not every year. I don't do it frequently. I do it sometimes

But every year I don't do a writing gig on a TV show or I don't act enough to clear sag insurance I have to make a decision. Is this worth? $600 a month for fucking health insurance is it? I don't know I don't know that it is Especially now with just imagine how angry you would be if you paid all that money, right? Then you broke your ankle or something like that. They denied you yeah, you're like what yeah

And this is why people cheer about this Luigi guy There are a ton of stories of people who had treatable illnesses and they were denied coverage They had surgeries that could have been done to save them. They were denied coverage. There's a ton of stories like that it's a dirty fucking game It's a dirty fucking game. It's not it's not the game they're pretending it is they're pretending the game is we're gonna help care Take care of you you're gonna have a safety net so you pay a little bit of money and hopefully nothing happens You never need us and that's our gamble our gamble is if you do need us You're gonna get more value out of it than you put into it Yeah, and they don't want that health insurance has become like the the protection plan at Best Buy And you buy a TV you want the two-year protection plan in case any no fucking no cuz no Some places have a good protection plan though. They're just giving you a new TV health care is not even that it's not even that It's worse. It's worse than Best Buy

Well some places have a good protection plan they do Some places you bring in the computer. They give you a brand new one. This thing sucks. It broke. Yeah, okay. Hold on

I file out this felt thought this form. We'll get you another one every time. I've tried to utilize it I bring it in they go. Oh well actually oh really? Yeah, this doesn't you know the screen's crack. That's not really part of it

We probably broke it. Fuck. It's something stupid. It makes it. It's really awful I mean it's I probably threw it across the room in a fit of rage because I had to boil water in morning But you know it's it's um it's it's it's a diars You know when when the name is mark when the Neiman Marcus gang thing was happening where these kids were running into Neiman Marcus and stealing shit Which again, I don't think is an okay thing to do but you know like my mom I remember was being like Can you believe these kids are like a mom? They just told an entire generation of kids. They'll never own land, right?

They're fucking hopeless. Yeah, they're hopeless. Like what do you what where does your head even go? Where'd you go? In my act I have a line It's it's not even a joke I just go where the gen Z's and they clap and I go you'll never own land and it gets a huge laugh because it's so true Isn't that crazy and it's like it's fucked up and then they hear the private equity companies are buying up houses So that could lease them out and so they'll own all the houses What and the parking lot yeah, they're buying up all the fucking parking lots. You can park anywhere for free or for cheap

You know, it's fucking crazy, man It's we are living in a rent to live culture anymore Well, it's just about it's again What we're talking about maximizing the amount of money you could squeeze out of people and that's their business And it doesn't have to be like that but it doesn't have to be like that if you're public It's almost like we're better off with a bunch of private corporations And if you're private you can do whatever you want like there's private quick look you could decide I'm gonna do you know, I'm gonna give x amount of my profits to this I'm gonna give the y to that I'm gonna do whatever I want because it's my money But as soon as you have shareholders as soon as you you take that IPO money, yes, baby That's a big windfall though. You got all this money all this stock all this capital has been investing your business You're business is gonna grow and the business does grow so your fucking problems Yes, they've ruined up shareholders have ruined I'm not saying shareholders inherently are evil But the boarder directors and shareholders and all that shit they've ruined everything they've ruined everything It's like everybody goes why the last three star wars will be suck Kathleen Kennedy came out and said we were met with demands by the shareholders to rush the fucking sequels out and we couldn't make the movies we wanted to make So that's that's not mentioned if they do that at Jim Cameron

You can't do that fucking fresh that guy. Hey, you mentioned you rushed avatar Fuck you Fuck you that movie takes that forever to make that's why it's awesome There's there's certain things that you can't do just for money and health care should be one of them It should be one of them. Well, you know what and I don't say this uh to ball wash you in any way But you just said it 10 minutes ago about the club And for all the criticisms that people can level at you whatever the fuck they want to say whatever It's like hey, man. Here's a guy I know that has a lot of money that started something that helps other people in the industry He works in and said I'm not worried about making money I'm worried about breaking even and I want the people that I'm working at my club to benefit You actually did it You actually did the thing that we're complaining that other people don't do you actually did the thing where you said I am not going to try to turn massive profits off of this club what I'm going to try to do is create an environment where people Can make what they deserve to make that's fucking pretty awesome and pretty crazy Well, the thing is anybody can do that that successful already Yeah, you could all you could all choose to run a business that way and a lot of people do I'm not unique in that way

There's a lot of like really ethical like moral happy people sure you make a happier environment too That's the other thing like the environment the club is very happy everybody gets paid really well Everybody's making money the waitresses waiters are all making money everybody's happy That's beautiful. You go to a place where people are happy to be there That's that's what you want You don't want to go to a place where you're making maximum profits and everybody is in hell And that's a lot of people that work in corporations, right? You're working way more hours than you should you never see your kids you're constantly fucking stressed out your cortisol through the roof You're about to have a fucking heart attack, but you bought a house in the Hamptons Yeah, look at that. I got a $15 million house overlooking the bay How about that, right? You fucking win. I got the new Ferrari you want to see it. Yeah, and meanwhile you're dying

Yeah, but that's that's the environment of just chasing money. I think you can make plenty of money I mean obviously I'm in an unusual situation, but I think most business owners that do well once you're doing well What is enough like it's make it just make it better for everybody. What's enough? What's enough money? What's enough? You know if you're running a corporation is it really good to cut back on the ingredients and fuck people over all you

I've seen this thing about powdered sugar some guy went to a grocery store And he took all these bags of two pound bags of powdered sugar and he weighed them like 1.3 pounds 1.2 pounds 1.27 They're just fucking you. You tell me that's on purpose your machines are so off that it doesn't know what two pounds are But this is this mentality of just squeeze the most. Yeah, squeeze the most I don't think you have to do that. I think if your business is successful just it should be like you're good You're good. Let's like keep the ball rolling. Keep it don't try to just keep making the most money possible every quarter

And that's what they do in corporations because they have to if you don't you're a bad CEO you'll get kicked out Yeah, like hey good news guys. We made the same amount of money this month as we did last month like what this guy sucks Yeah, fucking sucks. Where's my return? Yeah, you know, I'll be fucking we're gonna vote him out Yeah, pour meeting together and people playing and yeah, you have to do that. That's their job. Yeah ideally what should happen is you say hey guys

We made more money this month than we did last month But the reason we made more money is because we made a better product that brought in even more customers and it was beneficial to everybody Right and it's not that it's not we squeezed the same amount of customers out of more money Yeah, yeah, it's the fucking potato chip thing Well, the other thing that you know these avocado oil scandal that's going on right now So all these people that are buying things made with avocado oil that they think oh, this is gonna be super healthy Turns out a lot of these corporations are fucking you over and they're using seed oils and fucking saffle our oil and Rape seed oil all these different oils and they're pretending that it's yeah, or it's a avocado oil I watched a thing about food Where they talked about by the way what I meant by the potato chip thing was when you we were just talking about this in the lobby before we started recording When you buy a bag of potato chips now and it's half full and it's all air and of course the excuse is Well, no, that's so protect your chips and just fuck out of here fuck off. Oh, yeah, I'm crushing chips. You fucking idiot Yeah, maybe pack the chips and chip the properly. No, no, we can't do that. Have you ever had those Vandy chips? No, it's Vandy

Oh, they're chips made with beef tallow. Okay, they're just cooked in beef tallow It's just beef tallow and salt and potato chips are the best potato chips you've ever eaten in your fucking life Where do you get it? You can buy them online. I buy them online Yeah, a lot of these are so legit dude if I want potato chips, oh, they're so good and you don't overeat them It's crazy like when it's real food you eat enough Yeah, you know, especially they're like soaked in beef tallow. They're so rich and fat. Yeah, it's actually probably good for you

Yeah, yeah, that's that's the thing most of these quality food products that we want to buy and enjoy now You have to buy them online. You can't get them in fucking stores I get them in some stores, but the problem is they get bought out You know, so say a company comes along and you're making something that has like really healthy ingredients and people really get into it and then Pepsi buys you exactly some some fucking Kellogg's buys you when they turn it into something that's just close enough They changed the ingredients make it cheaper. Did that happen with is it rows r aos rios rios? Yeah, yeah rios got bought by I think like whoever makes ragu or whatever the best go or some shit rios made a great talk Is it still legit or is it they fuck with the ingredients now?

I don't I never thought there was any jarred sauce that was awesome like, you know, there's have Steve Sharipas when he had his no You know Steve Sharipa from the soprano. You know Steve. Do you ever work for him? I work for him when he was the Booker at the Riviera in Vegas. I remember that before he got on the sopranos before he ever did any acting That's like yeah, I was friends with him along fucking time ago. He's the best. I love that guy

He is the best so he had an amazing sauce It was I forget the name of it, but it was all organic and it was you know, like really super top shelf ingredients It's fucking delicious. Okay, such a good sauce But it was too much of a pain in the ass for him to keep the business rolling and he got rid of it I'm like god damn dude. That sucks So I think he had a problem keeping up with demand too because it was like he came on the podcast and talked about it and then he eventually just bailed on the business Look man. It's one of the reasons I left my sandwich shop was because I felt like operating in New York Was too hard of a thing and we had to keep the four years five years whatever that I did it We had to keep kind of upping prices and and whatever and it wasn't because it was not I've agreed it was out of there is no way that we stand a chance to turn a profit Unless you keep up with what the demand and the economy of New York City is and I just got to a point where I was like, you know, man It's just not what I thought it could be you wanted to be fun. You want to just be fun Yeah, and that was it and it was I wish them well, but uh, there's still going but um, it was it just for me

I was like I just can't like this isn't you know, so that what happens is with a lot of these Companies that get bought up. It's this steve shiripa thing where it's like hey, man I'd love to keep doing this at the quality I'm doing it and at the at the you know the tick that which we're moving out of whatever And then somebody comes along like pepcy and goes we'll buy out for 50 million and you probably go, you know what my ship just came in take the fucking I don't know, you know, I can't you know, so I don't blame people for selling to a big corporation It's kind of the position you're left in you know, this mom and pop thing is going away, uh, you know We've got a big dent in that. Oh destroyed it destroyed it to destroy it in terms of like small restaurants I know so many of them that went under in LA. I think at one point time LA lost 70% of its restaurants It's that it's the the meat monopoly thing is is brutal You know what like what happened with prices of meats and because they saw like oh actually we can say that there's a demand and low Low product availability and all this and just charge everybody this but there also is a demand and there also is low product

I mean, there's also the the reality of the marketplace Yeah, well that what I think it is is there's the reality of the problem and then and some people are affected by that very genuinely But then there's a lot of people that go there's a chance for us to capitalize and squeeze squeeze and that sucks Yeah, that's the thing and you know once you escape the world of need and you're in a world of decisions based on what you enjoy doing Then you could choose to do a business where you do it. However you want to do it. Don't worry about it Right, you know because you're not doing it for money. You're doing it because it's a cool thing Right and ideally that's what we would all like to do. Yeah, ideally. It's not obviously difficult to achieve

But if you can get there, that's the way to do it It's just everybody has this thing about chasing the fucking whatever number it is Whether it's a number in your bank account or the address that you're living in or the car that you're driving Everyone's always chasing the new thing. There's a new thing to justify why you're pumping all of your energy into a business, you know Yeah, it's uh, it's it's the unfortunate Other side of capitalism capitalism Capitalism fucking great way better than everything else. Well, that's just that I agree with but we're just talking about yeah It's got flaws and the flaws are human nature. That's the flaws Is there a way do you think is there a way to have the free market with capitalism?

But actually have some sort of regulation so these problems that we're talking about can occur Or is it just you have to take the good with the bad and that's all there is to it I mean, there should be definitely be regulations without a doubt, but I think too much regulations Then you stifle business and that's what california has if over over regulated because the government is just too huge of a business there I think at one point in time california during the pandemic They lost a bunch of people like a bunch of people moved out, but they doubled the size of government They just keep adding more government and more like that's where they create jobs They create jobs through government and just keep adding programs and adding government and then just keep siphoning off tax money And it's a slash fund and there's a whole economy based on it and those people are the people that are in charge of running the city And they don't want to let it go because that's how everybody's getting paid and nothing's getting done and the fucking homeless crisis never gets any better And the streets never get clean the schools never get fucking funded correctly But yeah, they keep in growing their fucking business the business of being a fucking person in government Yeah, it's I one of the things I learned when I worked for the because when I lived in 2000 I worked for the senate Uh during the legislative session. It was the 76th legislative session. I think I was a media reporter for the for the senate media department

but one of the things I learned was how low a senator's salary is versus what they actually make in a year because of Donations and whatever the fuck else and I was like of course these people don't want to ever step down from the seat This is the fucking this is a this is a fucking joy ride right now Yeah, and once you're in that position now you got a problem because now it's like well Who's actually in there to do something? Versus who's in there to keep the job and if you want to keep the job keep the constituents happy Well, how do you do that? Well, then you start compromising things and cater and you learn how to be a bullshard Oh, yeah, you learn how to say the things they want you to say That's why people support ridiculous positions because they fucking lick their finger and find out which way the winds blowing and that's the way my constituents want So that's how I feel. Yep, you know, I think God's non-binary like whatever. They just start talking Yeah, you start saying things you're like, what are you saying this makes no sense?

They're saying it because they think it's gonna help them and get them to win. It's kooky stuff Yeah, man, and nobody wants the job. That's the other thing. Well, no, but no really successful person who would really be good at it wants the job It's too much work. It's a hassle You're also dealing with insane corruption once you get in there try on tangling all the fucking webs that have been spun for decades Whether you're moving money to this and moving money to that and you gotta pay a little of this and you gotta pay a little of that Yeah, do you ever see Charlie Wilson's war Tom Hanks movie? No, it's great. You'd love it Mike Nichols directed it

Tom Hanks and a Philip Seymour Hoffman my favorite Philip Seymour Hoffman really performance ever. It's a fucking awesome movie But it's about how when we were sending arms and funding the Afghanis when Russia was attacking Afghanistan And he's in there to do a good thing. He's like these people are getting fucking taken over the Russians are coming in blah blah blah And he does all this good thing. He gets all this funding to them He helps them there's the Afghanis start shooting the Russian copters out of the fucking air and all this shit And he's like this is great and then all of a sudden powers that be are like we're cutting the funding And he's like what are you talking about? We just help these people liberate themselves. We can't cut the funding now. We have to rebuild and they're like yeah, we're not rebuilding

That's we're not spending any more money in this and the end of the movie is Philcior Hoffman telling Tom Hanks that he doesn't say the name but he says The fucking loonies are in the hen house. He's talking about been locked in this now taking over Afghanistan And this is gonna go real fucking sideways on us and it's just such a great encapsulation of That's how it works. That's how it works You do a good thing and then all of a sudden it creates an even bigger fucking problem than they've ever anticipated because of funding It's you would also why were they doing it in the first place? Why the fuck are they funding the Muja Hadin and that's how bin Laden turned against us right? That's what it was all about. He realized how dirty our fucking politics are and what we're doing when doing regime change and other countries

Proxy wars and all the insane shit that we've been involved with forever It's fucked up the way it's portrayed the way it's portrayed in the movie is the Russians are attacking these people It's gonna be this genocide. It's blah blah blah. That's how it's framed in the movie in real life You know, I know there's always multiple sides both sides I mean there's probably a lot to that too, but it's it's just one of those things where I brought it up because you said Who would ever want this job and I watched that movie and thought that I was like who would want the fucking job of this guy? Right that he thinks he's doing the right thing and then it just blows up in their face You just hope that good people come along and want the job. That's a joke But for the most part they're swimming in a sea of psychos right now Well, the question is is if a good person does come along can they stay?

Can they stay pure or is the system just built in a way where it's like now there's no way to do this, you know? It's I was acquitted to the Hollywood thing. It's like it's like in my opinion There's no way to become or it's a very hard thing to become a massive movie star and maintain your Morality and your ethics and whatever you're playing in a system that is so fucking foul and so dirty and whatever That's why we're like it's so rare to be a woody Harrelson or something like that Who's a genuine person and nine out of ten of those guys? They don't fucking live there they're out they go somewhere else and they dip in they do it they get the fuck out again So I always wonder like is there we always say like if only a decent man would come along and lead us or or take this seat in this office Is it possible to even remain pure at that point? I don't know or is it just hey?

This is how it works. This is all there is to it and you either play this game or you will be phased out and that's it You know well the Hollywood game is interesting because you have to have the same political opinions of them Yeah, if you don't leave any variation whatsoever if you like hey, we shouldn't take this weird experimental vaccine You're cast out of the kingdom like you have to be full compliance full compliance to whatever ideology that they have because they're completely in control They get to choose whether or not you work the beautiful thing about comedy And music is another version of that but less so I think is that you just make what you make and if people like it that comes to you Real simple simple you get a chance everybody gets a chance to open mic nights everybody gets a chance if someone says hey, Joe You're really funny. You want to open for me on the road also. Oh my god. I'm on the road Yeah, everybody gets a chance and the thing about the movie business is it's not that way Like you could be a really talented actor and you never get cast in something You know, maybe they don't align with the way you think maybe you didn't kiss their ass enough when you went in for the audition Maybe you don't have a good agent whatever it is. Right. You might not ever work. Yeah, there's there's a

Great, um Oh, what is it called? It's the documentary. I think it's called Frank. It's the documentary about Frank Stallone So that's our Stallones brother. Oh and Frank Stallone is an immensely talented guy And he sort of got reduced to he does stuff he works and he seems like a happy guy But there was a big part of Frank Stallone where he kind of got reduced to the punchline of like Slaz brother Yeah, exactly. I mean I was Charlie Murphy. I was just saying about Eddie

They talk in the documentary about Frank Stallone. They go everybody's like how did this guy not become bigger? He's so fucking talented. He was a musician. He's a great actor. He's this he's that and they say in the middle they go dude

It doesn't just happen you have to have a team of people operating around you that make it fucking happen It's not just dumb luck. It's not just oh, he's good If you don't have the people strategically Let's put it that buying you through the system, right? It doesn't fucking happen. It just doesn't happen It's like look at when people get nominated that the process of getting nominated for an Emmy It's like you you you get the consideration vote And then I would see it when I was living in LA and then people would do these pr campaigns just based on the consideration Oh, yeah those billboards for your consideration. Yeah, you'd see them everywhere Then you get nominated and then that's a whole other thing That's why I thought it was such bullshit when um and I'm a big fan I'm not gonna guy But like when the whole thing happened with like bread the year that Brendan Fraser won for the whale was the same year The kid that played short round one for everything everywhere all at once Do you remember that year at the Oscars and they both it was like it's the year of the comebacks at the Oscars and they're up there going I thought I was done and here I am. It's like you fucking had a campaign

This costs millions of dollars to get you here. This is not some underdog story. This is this was this was orchestrated. That's how it works It's crazy. It's crazy. Nobody's like, oh, yeah, I was driving a cab that I was like I got nominated. I won

That's bad shit. Yeah, well, it's a bad shit business. It's it's it's the worst and best business of all time Yeah, that's that we get to get to do what we want to do. Sorry, but it doesn't stand up It's better now. It's like stand up in podcasts. It's such an easier pathway. Yeah, that that was the old pathway

You had to be a part of that. I was I was talking to Tony about it after MSG we're at the afterparty And he you know Tony. I love this one of the things I love about him. He gets you have a few drinks and it's a real love fest But he's like buddy. We're doing it man. We're doing it. They told us no and we're fucking doing it

And I go Tony. Here's what's wild. I go the mainstream of entertainment could become the for lack of a better term Wokest whatever that whole thing could come back of PC culture and whatever and they could tell any one of us or all of us You guys are out. There's no way you're gonna get anything on streamers or anything anymore And we'd all still be fine because we all said we found another lane. So fuck it. It doesn't matter. It's a bigger lane too way bigger

It's way bigger way bigger. Yeah, because it's authentic. Yeah, it's real and it's not curated. Yeah, it's real Simple people that's what people want if Hollywood could send a missile to destroy YouTube Meanwhile, let's come up with some of the fucking greatest talents like that guy who made obsession came straight out of youtube Yeah, dude. I gotta wrap this up. Oh, okay, uh, you're special speaking of what you're

I never promised you a rose garden available right now on Netflix on Netflix We shot this in Phoenixville, Pennsylvania. It was on my youtube Netflix scooped it up It's still on my youtube, but please go watch it on Netflix and and uh, I hope you all enjoy it And then and then my podcast violin horrendous is is now out ymh network And at jota rose comedy on youtube is where you can find it. So please listen and I hope you watch the special enjoy it Thank you for having me my brother. I love you