#2568 - Ross Edgley

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That's good. That's good. 18 year old single malt Scotch whiskey. That's smoky. Delicious.

I had a, this is a true story. I had a deal set up for a whiskey deal. Like they wanted to do, you know, they do these things like with celebrities. And I was like, well, I got a lot of money. I guess I could do it.

Alright, let's do it. And so they said that they could help me like design the whiskey. I'm like, oh, that'd be really cool. First I wanted to do it with Buffalo Trace. But Buffalo Trace was like, look, we love you, but the reality is our whiskey takes like eight years in a barrel period.

Like, the only way they do it, it makes sense. That's why it's so good. Okay, that makes sense. So I tried this whiskey and I was like, oh, it's pretty good. It's pretty good.

I tried, gave it to my friends. Like, it's pretty good. And then I fucked up. And I had some 18 year old Scotch. And it was so good.

I'm like, I can't lie. If I'll say this is my favorite whiskey, but that will be a lie. Because this is so much better. There's no substitute for time. No.

There's no substitute for time in those barrels. That tastes like Scotland, doesn't it? So I had a cool idea. He exposed me to the stuff. He said, do you like whiskey?

I'm like, it's okay. He's kind of nasty. He just do it to get a buzz, right? He's like, no, no, he was like very specific. He had like a large cube of ice and he's like, come on, let me buy you a, it's like a $200 whiskey.

What? $200 for a fucking glass. You're like, hey, trust me, trust me. I said you bought me this glass. I was like, oh, oh okay.

It was 200 pounds. It's a different thing. It's a different thing. If you drink a 20 year old whiskey, it's a very different thing. So it cost me, who knows how much money.

because I got to get out of the deal and they're like, what? And I was like, I can't lie. I can't lie and say this is my thing. I can't lie. I could if I was poor.

But if I was broke, I could lie. But I have a lot of money. So I'm like, I'm not lying. To the sanctity of whiskey. Because they figured it out.

Like the Irish and the Scots, they figured it out. In Scotland, this is like a religious thing. They don't fuck around. They get some really old Scotch, man. Really old Scotch whiskey has a very distinct taste.

And they're willing to wait fucking 18 years to get that taste. That's crazy. That just reminds me of Scotland. We had to stop the podcast before the podcast even started. Because we were talking about so much cool shit.

I'm like, I'm going to leave the room. Because I don't want us to miss any of this. So first of all, you were telling me you swam around 60 hours in Loch Ness? Yeah. You're going to Scotland?

Because this is strange. It was seven years ago now when we caught up in our eyes. I'm around Great Britain. And then since seven years ago, we had right. And then now I've just been on this strange career trajectory.

You can call it a career. So we did a 60 hour nonstop swimming Loch Ness. It was going well. So it was all for ocean conservation. We raised so much money.

It was amazing. It was going well until the 60 hour point. Started hallucinating, started seeing things. Basically, the only way I can describe it is you're looking for the eye of the needle. It's just getting smaller and smaller and it just went completely black.

It just went completely dark. Did you black out? Yeah. I basically was hypothermia mixed with cellulitis. So cellulitis is a sin infection.

Exactly. Exactly. From the wet suit that was just getting into my blood stream. You had a staph infection at the same time. You were hypothermic.

And at the same time, you bit up for three days. It's exactly. It was a bad place to be, Joe. It was a bad place. That's so crazy.

60 hours of swimming is so insane. 60 hours of running is insane. You could stop running and take a nap. You know what I'm saying? With the Loch Ness Monster.

It was bad. It was bad. Do you think that's real? I mean, something touched my leg when I was in. But you were hallucinating.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not the best person to ask. But exactly what you just said. It was strange because my skin was on fire from the cellulitis. But then I could feel in my bones.

I was getting so cold. Oh my god. Blacked out. I woke up and just walked. Oh, there we go.

Yeah. Oh, there you go. Oh, that's all of your back and your neck. Oh, you just ridden with staph infection. Yeah, that's how bad it was.

Oh, that's horrible. And I think it was that coupled with the hypothermia. So this is going to sound so strange. But it went completely black. I remember waking up and then I was in the hospital.

So did they have to scoop you out of the water? Yeah. Yeah. How did they do you have someone beside you? Like with a net?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had a team. They were amazing. They scoop me up. I look.

I basically opened my eyes. The next thing I know, I see my mum and my girlfriend at the head of the hospital bed. And I just went, oh, it's not going well. Has it? And they were like, Ross, no.

It's not going well. up in the hospital room. Wow. So the entire transport to the hospital, you were out cold. Yeah.

How long were you all called for? They think about 13 hours. Yeah, I was called for 13 hours. Coming in and out. I don't say proudly, sort of coming in and out of consciousness.

I still remember little bits. But then like I said, the main thing was just being there with my mum and my girlfriend. And they were just, they look disappointed. I was like, I'm so sorry. So from there, what's interesting, a year later, in Lake Tress Amino in Italy, we did another swim for charity.

It was amazing. Everything was organized. But because of Italian bureaucracy, they said, you have to do it on this particular day. Getting into the water was 36 degrees. And I don't know what that is in Fahrenheit, but hot.

It was a bath, basically. We got caught in a heat wave. So going in there, I had hypothermia before. Now I have hypothermia. It's a heat stroke.

So you're swimming in a hot bath, basically. What is 36 degrees in Fahrenheit? Is that like 90 degrees? Yeah, 96.8. Yeah.

96. Holy shit. That's crazy. Was there a fucking volcano in there? This is it.

So they said it was the hottest month ever recorded in Italy. I got caught in this. It's got to kill fish, no? Yeah, it was. I was swimming past fish that had been boiled alive.

Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, go back to that picture. Jacked.

Jacked son. That was after I was like the real live war ruin in that picture. It's like a moral comics of war ruin. I was like, oh my god, I'm going to show you all my shoulder there. But no cellulitis, thankfully.

Yeah. So this is... That was Iceland. Yeah. I think what's interesting is it's that...

Why did you think you got cellulitis from the water in Scotland? They think because it was fresh water. Right. Yeah. That makes sense.

This was around Iceland for instance. Just as bad. It was so bad. But equally, you just got salt water. Right.

But it's not, doesn't have the bacteria content. It's exactly it. Yeah. Yeah. Of course, but what's fresh water is nasty?

Yeah. It's nasty. Especially it wasn't 96 degrees. But if it was, imagine that. Yeah.

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You got Rob Do too? Bad. Yeah. Really bad. In Iceland or in Scotland?

Well certainly in Iceland. But in Italy. The way I feel about the lysis in the stroke in Italy. What's so strange though, and this is I'm aware this sounds a little bit twisted, but as a sports scientist, I obviously research the theory and philosophy of all this. Whereas actually subjecting my body to it.

I was like, oh cool. You know, this is what I put them. It feels like. And it was the same with Rev. So basically sitting here right now, just chilling, you know, not in training or anything like that, are creating kinase, so that's an enzyme that's responsible for muscle breakdown.

So when it's in your muscle, basically in your blood, it says there's been some muscle breakdown. Sitting here right now, it might be about 80. If we had a hard workout, maybe 300. You run a marathon, 1000. You run an ultramarathon.

Maybe get up to 4,000. They are rushing you to a hospital. At that point, they're really worried about your kidneys that are just working overtime to try to filter it out. They said, Ross, yours is at 19,000, which is so weird for a sport where you are suspended in water, it's not even weight bearing. You shouldn't have this amount of muscle breakdown.

So I think, thankfully, my kidneys did an amazing job. Chatter to my kidneys. It filled me out and got me out of the hospital in a few days. But I think what's so strange is that sort of a career then led me to swim around Iceland, where I just knew what, grabbed my lysis, hypothermia, cellulitis, I knew what all of those things were. So as a result, I kind of turned up in Iceland as this kind of bulletproof swimmer, who was like, oh, it doesn't matter what it's going to throw at me, I'm going to understand.

Oh my god, dude, that is insane. And then we swam 1,000 miles around Iceland, which was amazing. When you were getting the hypothermia, they say that before people die, they get hot, and they want to take their clothes off. Did you have that feeling? Exactly.

But I think part of that was the cellulitisis as well, because my skin felt like it was on fire. But then equally at the same time, I could just, I was shivering with my internal organs. It's a strange thing. Did you take any consideration of the possibility of cellulitis before you got into that freshwater? Did you know about it?

No. No, I can't know. I became an expert afterwards. I would want to research, like, throw it in perplexity. Like, what are the cons?

What's the worst thing that can happen here in the water? What are the physical dangers I have to worry about with freshwater versus saltwater? Is the lock monster real? I should have researched that. I think what's weird, and I'm glad we started, you know, I catch up like this, because I think so often people go, why do you do it?

But I think now looking at the anthropology of his humans, the history of his humans, of course, different cultures, different countries, we've always been doing this idea of self-discipline for self-discovery. You know, you look at the marathon monks of Japan, for instance, over seven years, over 1,000 days, we almost do a marathon a day. Those guys in Mexico from the Born to Run book. Exactly. Yeah.

Tamara Mar, whatever. Yeah, they just make them. They run either barefoot or with small homemade shoes. They make from rubber tires and shit. They make like sandals out of like retreaded tires.

Exactly. I mean, it's weird as well. Like even going back further is also what I ended up doing at documentary ages ago, so 20 years ago now. I did Ayur-O-Waska for a week in the Amazon jungle with the Jammin' Out Drive. At the end of this week, it's part of the initiation in to Manhood.

We basically then, this is such a random story, but they killed the snake. And you have to bite the tongue out of the snake. Pass. Hard pass. I'd rather be a boy forever.

Fuck you. You can tell me I have to eat a snake's tongue to be a man. Next thing you know, I got a suck of a pig's dick. You don't suck that pig's dick. You're not a real man.

Like, sizzo. Sizzo fucking either jungle doesn't even have star length. Fuck you. Fuck you, buddy. How about you get a pair of Nike's?

You don't even have shoes. I was fucking idiot. I was y'all getting impressed. You did it. So I did it.

I bit the tongue. Jump it. The tongue. I'm just fucking around. I would definitely bit that tongue.

Especially if they brought me in and put face paint on me and shit. That was it. I was caught up in the moment. It's just they got high for at least a month. I don't know.

That's me. You all life so much. You sign up to get high for a month by getting bit on the tongue by a cobra. You're like, fuck it. Take me away.

This job sucks. I just want to be high. We've got to done things in the gray now. Yeah, but that's off the charts. No, you didn't bit on the tongue by a cobra.

I'd be like, is there a way? Can I just grab the cobra? Venom and put it on a fucking q-tip? I think it's a little better. It gets after than astrologers.

Nightmare advice. I did it. Oh, after astrologers, nightmare advice. That's a different story. Well, that's a different snake too, isn't it?

That's not something. That was probably the one I was doing. Yeah. Deadly snagged by Bitterman's tongue after an astrologer told him that performing a ritual with the serpent would stop his nightmares. That is the same thing I did.

Bro, where's that guy from? Same that name. Ross, you got it. Go for it. Go be chakchido palayyam.

That might be accurate. That's pretty good. That's a real world traveler, ladies and gentlemen. That's how they pronounce things. They roll their arms and shit.

Can you put that back up, please? Yeah, yeah. Isn't that? This is crazy. This is the thing.

So he wasn't lying. So this is a different snake. This is the Russell's Viper, one of the most common snakes to inflict bites on people in India. During the ritual, the man mimicked the snake's tongue flickering movements, which is when the incredibly deadly snake bit him on the tongue. Yo.

After the snake bit the man, the priest attempted to make a cut in his tongue using a knife, which only worsened the pain. Shock. I thought that would have fixed everything. To the venom for the Russell's Viper, usually causes cardiovascular complications, hemostatic abnormalities, renal failure. And is renal failure?

What is that? It's actually, I think it's the kidneys, basically. Now it's in the joke, and that's in turn, the organs are so. So I grabbed, though. Yeah.

Very similar. Those who are bitten, you treat men immediately. The man was rushed to a nearby medical center. Chase, is that guy even get high? This was not that.

This was in the same. Surgery was before, probably for the cut on his tongue. Like, who the fuck did you let cut your tongue do? Also in India, they get high off of this. So it's side by side story there.

So this is the same snake? Or the cobra? Different, different. This is the top one. This is the cobra.

This is the cobra. People doing it. See, this makes me feel better. Here's my question. It doesn't make me feel better, too.

Here's my question. What is the venom? Like, can't you just rub it on your tongue? Can you put it on like a spatula or some shit? Oh boy, fella.

Why? No, no, I didn't do that. No, no, no. I imagine. But he's picking it down with his neck.

And then all of a sudden you're in front of God. And God's explaining the nature of life and the universe that's a continuous cycle. And you've done this a million times before, and you're getting better at it, but you're not done. And when you do get done, you will be God. Bye.

LAUGHTER I wish I'd have had that. Yeah, it'll last two days. For three days, you're talking to God, who God's coming out of a serpent's tongue. But we did that. I think I was slightly different to that.

So basically after you had basically just tongue a snake. They turn to you and they go, OK, now you have the wisdom of the jungle, but you cannot speak for 24 hours. So everyone's just like that. OK, we take a hour silence. And then for the next 24 hours, one of the things that they had is they was climbing a tree.

So I disappear about four meters up this tree, holding on like that, completely naked. And they just are smacking the bottom of the tree. And I'm just getting golf in fire ants. But I can't make a sound. You can't make a sound.

And they said, if you make a sound, the spirit of the snake will haunt you for the rest of your life. If you don't make a sound, you'll be blessed with the wisdom of the jungle. How old were you? 21. Yeah, 21.

So was that the beginning of all this self torture? I think it might have been. This is an interview. How many times did you get by fire ants? Oh, no.

Did they get the nuggets? They get the whole thing? They got everything. They got all the nuggets. Yeah, I'm stunned.

But I think it's interesting that when I talk about my swims, what, Jim? It's kills 60,000 people a year in India. What? Oh my god. I would say you're lucky to be alive, clearly.

But wow. Well, I don't know if it's the same snake. This is from the Russell's Viper. Right. But he didn't get a Russell's Viper.

He was the Amazon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The Indian thing seems insane.

I don't know what to say. I guess India, like in certain parts of it, life is so hard. They're like, fuck it. I'll do anything. You know what I mean?

You see some of the scenes online of India and the pollution in the rivers. It's so preposterous. You're like, how did it get this bad? Where entire rivers are filled with plastic? Like, you don't see any water at all.

You just see plastic. And they see people just dumping their stuff into that river. You're like, is there no adults in the room? How the fuck did this happen? There's no other way.

There's no other way to do this than to dump all the plastic in the river and everyone's in agreement. This is crazy. Like, what the fuck? Give me the snake. I'll take that snake.

Let's go. I'm going to talk to God. How many times do I have to do this forever? This is how many times have I done hundreds of thousands? Oh, no.

I thought it was unique. Oh, my God. There's pictures. What do you got? Do.

I don't want to show me. Let's go. Oh, boy. The closest to the time. Oh, God.

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It was like the early days of the internet. But this guy did this documentation of what his arm looked like from the time he got bitten by this rattlesnake like eight surgeries later. Crazy. Think DraftKings is unavailable in your state. Think again, the cage is set and DraftKings keeps the full card at your fingertips in one sports app live in all 50 states.

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I was living in Olin Yox, in Siberia, with the Venke herders out there. I think so often we've become too civilized. We kind of have civilization over survival. You know, in the certain things that they do, whether it's, they rely on the reindeer, they kill them, they have them for their milk, butter, make all sorts out of them. But this one particular story, I'm going to apologize in advance now.

But to manage the amount of reindeer that they have in these huge herds, they basically said to us, look, we need to basically cast straight some of the male reindeers. I think that's a good example. I think that's a good example. I think that's a good example. I think that's a good example.

I think that's a good example. But to manage the amount of reindeer that they have in these huge herds, they basically said to us, look, we need to basically cast straight some of the male reindeer because they're fighting. We still need them but we need to cast straight them. Okay, that's a bit off-key but give me the knife and I'll do whatever you need to do. And they said, no, no, no.

We'll stop you there, Ross. We actually do a form of semi-castration. So we just want to make them slightly more docile so they're not fighting as much. They deal with the teeth? Exactly that.

Yeah. They grab them from behind and they bite their nuts with their teeth. That's exactly it. Yeah. So when I was out there they said, would you like perform it?

I'm not proud of it. That's what I did. I understand that they have to do that, like the way they gelled horses, you know, they do that with horses as well. I understand it, but I don't want to be a part of that. I won't even do that to my dogs.

Like I went to a veterinarian once and she literally cradled my dog Johnny Cash. I had this massive name Johnny Cash, he was the best. And this lady cradled his balls. She goes, what are these? Why are these here? I go, well, those are his testicles and he was born with them.

And that's how his body produces testosterone. And she's like, wouldn't it be responsible to have him neutered? And I was like, why would that be responsible? He's not having unnecessary babies. Why do you want his body to not produce testosterone? Is it because there's a narrative?

Is because you profit off of it? Like, fortunately for me, I had a doctor when I first moved to Los Angeles, a veterinarian who was an, I mean, this guy was an animal lover. I mean, he was like a dog whisperer. I brought it, my dog in and immediately he was like my dog's best friend. And I said, should I get him fixed? He goes, no, there's no reading. He goes, you have a fence,

your dog's not going to hop out and make puppies that aren't going to be taken care of. If you're a responsible dog owner, don't get your dog fixed. I go, really? I thought it was like for their health so they don't get cancer. He goes, complete horseshit. He goes, dogs get cancer. It's

most likely probably from really bad food. They're eating shitty food just like people get cancer. You know, not a lot of animals get cancer. It's not like, well, Tasmanian devils do, but they get cancer from biting each other. They're one of the weirdest cases of cancer. They have a

transmissible cancer. Like Tasmanian devil, like the cartoon, you ever seen those fuckers in real life? Yeah. They have the craziest sounds. Anyway, my point is, don't cut your nuts off your dog if you're responsible dog owner. If they get tired, even Huberman, we were talking about Huberman before,

he did it to his bulldog. He felt bad, so he started giving his bulldog testosterone. He said, yeah, when I caught up with him, yeah, he was all shocked, because I didn't get cancer. That's why they got these crazy immune systems. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Also, they're not bones. It's like,

we're so distant from them. They're so old. Oh my God. So I went swimming with their great whites. Oh, for millennia. What? Oh my God. What's there? Yeah, you'll be here with us as well. Tasmania.

So outside Australia. The real ones. Yeah. The real ones. Yeah. Those are the OGs. Yeah, they get big.

They stop growing the females certainly. They stop growing in length at certain point, and they just get bigger. It's just a submarine with teeth, like New Zealand rugby players. Exactly like that. Exactly like that. It's not. They explain to me, they basically said they have something called

the anti-live Lorenzians. So they're able to pick up electrical impulses. Is your heart beating quick? Are you twitching? Do you look like prey? Oh, Jesus Christ. I was down there with some very experienced

divers as well. We died when we were with them. On the dive, when we went down about 40 feet, what was nuts is they immediately knew that I was the weakest link. They immediately knew that I was kind of out of my depth when it came to diving, and they all just started swimming towards me. Oh, boy. Ross Ross, I'm not saying square up to it, but please stop breathing so I have

you in acting like prey. So in that moment, it was just strange how we had a conversation, but it was obviously non-verbally across species. And it was looking at me, came straight up to me. I sort of tried. Again, I'm not saying I squared up to it, but I was like, can I help you?

And then it just went, all right, you're okay. Do I give you a panic? No. And if you panic, that might have been the end. Yeah. But just the way that they just like I said,

describe that, ampulae of Lorenzini, that they are just looking at me. There is this, it's apex predator with just like thousands of years and it's downloading data on me. And it just knew, ten of us down there, and it knew that I was the weakest link. Yeah. Great. It's probably so obvious,

right? Those other guys are so comfortable in the water. They've done it a billion times. Probably have a very low heart rate down there. It's a novel experience for you, and they're sharks.

Exactly that. A good friend Adam Greentree, one of his buddies back home in Australia, got his head bit off by a shark. He was spear fishing, and he came out of a thing, like a crevice or something in the reef, and a shark just chop. Didn't even say it coming. Just popped out, and the shark saw something that looked like food that was coming out of the reef, because they're in the reefs looking for all sorts of whatever they eat, whatever fish fuck up and are in the wrong place in the wrong time. They're so damn scary. There's

the ambush predators as well. The tiger sharks up behind me, swimming with them, and so often it's just enough to look at them. As long as they can see your eyes, they go, okay, you've seen me. But the amount of times when we were down there, they're like, we're like, have your head on a swivel, because they were just calming up behind me. And how do I have no attempt around 100% of what we're speaking to you now? Dude, in Hawaii, they're a real problem,

man. They're a real problem for the surfers. Whenever you hear about someone getting got, it's a tiger shark. There's a crazy video we played on here once this guy, he's in a kayak. He's out in the middle of the ocean fishing, and a tiger shark just slams into his kayak, and you see its mouth wide open, this big fucking head and it knocks the kayaks sideways. It's terrifying, and he's screaming,

tiger shark, tiger shark. Just this is what this is. Eat of them. Oh no. Fuck that. Fuck all that. That was a tiger. Yes. Fuck all that.

Look at this thing. Launch up. Imagine if he was an inflatable. If he was an inflatable, that's a wrap. You just got your shit popped by a tiger, and now you're floating. I'm vile offshore, whatever the

fuck he is. It's the same with like bull sharks as well. The bull sharks are just angry. They're experts like friends of mine have just said, like they will just come over to you. With a watch, they're curious. Their taste buds are in their throats. They'll come over and nip you.

And they're just like, oh, sorry, I didn't realize you weren't a seal. The only problem is you're bleeding out. Whereas a bull shark, they'll just be like, I'm just in a bad mood. I'm just gonna come over and just miss. Yeah, exactly. I talked to student Florida. He said he will not spearfish anymore. He said they live in

central like central Florida. He said when you're off the reefs, he said it's so fucking dangerous. He's like, the bull sharks are all over the place now. Yeah. Because everybody's like sharks are amazing. Stop the shark fin soup. Fucking serve it up. Okay, serve up monster dick soup. It should

be everywhere. What the fuck are you talking about? You want to eat beautiful things like cows that are sweet and kind. You want to eat veal, but you won't eat monsters. You should be eating monsters.

Monsters should be on every menu. If you can fucking veal scallopini in an Italian restaurant, you should be able to get monster dick soup. They should sell that shit everywhere. They should become our food. Fuck them. Fuck sharks. But further to that point, I would say then I was completely

out of it. I've never felt more vulnerable in that moment. The other time I felt vulnerable was I broke the record for the world's longest nonstop river swim. So it was 510 kilometers, 60 hours all the way down the Yukon River. We hit these, the five thingarappet at one point. I basically kind of just

got thrown against rocks cut up pretty bad. So where does it start in the Yukon? Yeah, yes. It was a white horse to Dawson. I hope I've got that the right way round. Yeah. So you're are you in BC? Like

where are you in? In Yukon? It's Alaska. Canada. Canada. Canada. But it goes to Alaska. Yeah. If you

continue with the Yukon River, it will eventually go to Alaska. So does it come down? What part of Canada does it come through? Oh, that's a good question. So it's called as fuck, that was my point. It's freezing.

Yeah. What time are you going there? We went like a jingle. So the northwest territory. So that's what they call it, right? Yeah. And we just, it was, it's just the wild wild west out there. And I,

we took off, like I said, we started basically what was so, so strange is the first 24 hours didn't see much in the way of wildlife. I got thrown against these white water rapids got hit on the rocks and that's why the back of my legs are still cut up now. And then from that the rules are no one can touch you. You can't touch the boat. So I'm like, guys, I can't stop. So I just pulled my leg out the water

like this. And as I do, blood is just dripping out the end of my wetsuit. Literally like clockwork. As soon as that happened, bears, wolves, everything. I said, what's happening? And they said, Ross,

they can smell the blood. You're like an ice cream fan. You're just advertising yourself to all the wildlife now in the Yukon. Really? Yeah. And now the black bears, fine. As you know, they're, they're

skittish. And it was so, for me, strange Englishmen, first time dealing with bears, the black bears were looking just like, what are you? I don't know the bit skittish, the brown bears. No, they're very different. So different. So different. They're just almost like sitting there just kind of looking. We had,

like I said, a boat full of people we had protection on there and stuff, but it just didn't care. It was, I was so aware. I would have no, as an Englishman who has no experience that I don't know, just scaredly big for me. Yeah, it was big. And I just carried on something. It was interesting how,

it was almost like, it was looking going, you're not a salmon, you're not a bear. I wonder if you're hungry. And I just, I turned to the guys, I said, guys, am I okay? Am I safe? Like, keep swimming?

Thankfully, one of the team turned around. It wasn't even a gun. It was like a cannon. And they said, Ross, don't worry. If it gets too close to you, it'll end up in my freezer. I was like, right,

that's what I wanted to hear. Just carried on. Yeah, I know. Um, statistically, you're more likely to get killed by a black bear. Well, no, that's not correct.

Statistically, when a black bear attacks you, it's more likely in predation, whereas when a brown bear attacks you, it's more likely surprised and it's defending itself or it's a mother with her cubs, which is the most dangerous. Just like in real life, you fuck with the ladies kids, like you fuck with a grizzly bear and you come near its kids, they are terrifying. They run at you full clip. Most of the times, the dudes get attacked and killed. That's, that's where you fucked up. You run into a

700 pound mama with her babies in a, a, a jaw that could just crush your head like a candy bar. Oh, fuck you. You can't, you can't run away from her and you can't climb up a tree. You can't do shit. And you just zig when you should have zagged and you got too close to her kids and she doesn't want to take any chances. So you just became food. Yeah. What was, what was kind of strange? That's

kind of, it was so weird going from the Yukon and a year later, we did the Iceland swim and there was some of these old, uh, some modern day Viking chiefs who basically were explaining about the concept of a berserker as well. Berserker obviously just meaning bear shit, saying that these berserk is these ancient Nordic warriors would so often just try to embody the spirit of the animal. And there was even the Ulfhefna which are. It's called bear shirts. That's what berserker means. Yeah,

bear pelt bear shirts. That's what berserker means. Wow. You'll learn something every day. So they would embody literally the spirit of the animal. Like I said, there was almost,

from berserkers as well, there were almost like subcategories as well. So there were the hyperpronouncing right, Ulfhefna, which were the wolf warriors and they were Odin's chosen warriors. There, there's stories of them just running into battle. No armor, basically naked painted, biting down onto their shields as well and howling into the wind. You know, they were also doing mushrooms. I know, right? Yeah. That was one of the things about those fellas.

Berserker comes from the old Norse berserk-currer, most likely meaning bear shirt or warrior wearing a bear skin. Exact enemology is disputed and alternative interpretation is bear shirt, referring to fighting without armor. And plain English, it means a frenzied warrior. I guess you have to be a pretty frenzied warrior to kill a fucking bear back then. You know, there's no rifle son. You gotta

do it in an intimate fashion. You gotta go. If you're gonna kill a brown bear, you're gonna kill, especially a male. The ones in, if you get to anywhere where the salmon live, they get gigantic, which brought me to this terrible idea that I had that really shouldn't put out there in the universe. But if you wanted to have like the ultimate really fucking dangerous jackass stunt, you would put these guys in salmon suits and make them swim through when those bears are like catching those salmon that are going up the waterfall in those rivers where there's like nine, ten of them.

I would watch it. Yeah. But put the jackass guys. I shouldn't have said it. I shouldn't have said it.

Does someone's gonna take, I could see Steve O calling his fucking costume designer right now. It's so interesting as well because again, swimming around Iceland, you hear stories of berserkers. You know the famous one, the Samford Bridge. No. This was amazing. So, we're in 1066, I believe

where the Norwegians were invading England. Samford Bridge, basically the Norwegians were retreating. And as they were, there was just this one lone berserker who just stood on the bridge with a massive axe and was just taking down, just sold her after they just waved after waving, took them down. Eventually, it was somebody who actually went under the bridge and managed to stab him from underneath. But it was known as the berserker of Samford Bridge. Stab him from under the bridge. That's all they got.

Yeah, eventually. But he didn't even see those guys in Iceland that win those strongman competitions. Just imagine one of those guys with a battle axe. You know, imagine like the mountain from Game of Thrones with a giant wood and steel, wood and iron fucking huge shield in front of them and enormous battle axe that you couldn't even pick up and it's just hacking through people. And everyone's watching their friends dies. They're all in a panic and he's covered in blood and he's 400 pounds.

It's so true. And I think even as well, I mean, I'm a huge fan of Gunnar Nelson as well. You look at the history of just Icelandic athletes, warriors and it's not. To Gunnar Pete, Jeff Monson in an absolute contest in Abu Dhabi when Gunnar fought in the UFC, I only think he's fought as a welterweight, correct? He's only fought at 170. Jeff Monson is like 250.

Do you know what Jeff Monson is? Yeah, of course. He's a muscle. He's like a muscle. His whole fucking body.

His shoulder starts at the top of his head. He's fucking enormous. And Monson and the him, they went into an absolute which is there's no weight classes in grappling. They still allow that and he beat him, which is fucking insane. That is crazy. But it traces back

to their culture as well. This is one thing that I loved when swimming around Iceland. That for instance, you know, the story of Odin and Ragnarok, you know, at the end where you know, spoiler alert for those listening. Odin knew he was going to die in Ragnarok that the Norse apocalypse ran in anyway. Spoiler alert, you got eaten by a giant wolf. But this is what I loved that the Icelandic

and Nordic folklore is like, look, you can't control fate. Everybody believed that you were destined. That's already written for you. But it's how you can control your attitude towards it. And I think that's the thing that I certainly found from Icelandic culture. That it doesn't matter if

you are going to go up against 250, you will just run into battle anyway. That is your fate, but it's choosing your attitude towards it. Yeah. Well, that's very attractive to most people, most men. They wish they could be like that. That was so cool. It's true. It's about how many

goddamn Viking shows have there been. There's so many Viking shows and Viking movies. Have you seen the Northmen? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to act here apparently as well. Yeah, but it's accurate.

Well, except for the supernatural shit. But again, mushrooms. Yeah, yeah. I just fuck all the time on Silas Iben. Who knows what they were saying. And they, you know,

that's what's interesting is because like people assume that mushrooms make you peaceful. That's why the whole thing's so confusing because they really, for the most people, they make you like more connected to everyone around you, but possibly but it's unproven. The ideas that berserkers ate mushrooms before battles of popular theory, not an established historical fact. There's no solid archaeological or textual evidence demonstrating drug use. Okay, so what is the, what is the, oh, it's a amineed up a scarier. But I've heard it also be Silas Iben.

I've heard that being proposed. You know, it's in that Viking show, I think they put that back up, please. I think in the Viking show, they talk about us or it looks like they're eating Silas Iben. It doesn't look like amineed up a scarier. Amineed up a scarier is like really obvious. It's a bright

red with white dots on it. It looks like Santa Claus. The red one with the white spots, it's effects don't nearly explain the battle theory. It can cause delirium twitching drowsiness while violent aggression isn't typical. Yeah, even the delirium twitching and drowsiness, the problem with this explanation is it's not really known what amineed up a scarier does. It's not

like a, it's not a normal psychedelic and it also doesn't seem to be as effective as it was at one point in time. So the theory is like, Terence McKenna's theory was that it's very variable, like a lot of things are like peppers are very variable in genetics region and maybe even seasonally that you had to like get these mushrooms from a very specific area. It's like you want Cuban cigars. There's like some mushrooms in a very specific area that contained a much more potent version of whatever they do to you. You know, but it's unclear. Amineed up a scarier is

uncle. Like Silas Iben's very clear. Like no one eats that and goes, oh, I don't see it. Like but amineed up a scarier. It varies a lot. I've heard people having insane experiences on it

and I myself tried it and it was almost nothing. Very little. It made you feel weird. But you're so right as well that mixed with something being awesome when you hear stories of elves, trolls, you know anything and then when you're out there, like I said, I started this in my head of block ceremony. Basically just means that they blessed my journey as I saw around Iceland and at the start they were talking about, you know, the different realms of Iceland as well.

Do you know the story about the the different guardians of Iceland? What are the different guardians? So basically the story goes that back in the day there was a foreign king who wanted to invade Iceland. So we sent this sorcerer disguised as a whale to see where they could attack from. Went over to the west coast. There was a huge bull that was representative of strength and power.

So you can't tap there. Went around to the north coast over the north coast. Huge eagle that represents vision can see for miles. It's like, right, you can't attack there. East coast, dragon, realm of the dragon. Basically dragons love fast flowing water. So there's loads of waterfalls

that East Icelandic current guns down there. And then on the south coast, there was a massive giant as well. Upon hearing this at the start during the block ceremony, I was like, okay, that's cool story. You get around the top of Iceland and all of a sudden birds are just coming down, dive bombing me. Like you get over to the East coast and you see some of the caves and the waterfalls.

I'm like, oh, for sure, if you were on mushrooms, I could 100% believe this. Yeah, it's amazing. And even now, as well, if you're in Iceland and you see a road that is just like inexplicably curved and goes around. I'm like, what's happening there? That road makes no sense. It should just be

going straight. And with a completely straight face, a lot of locals will say that's going through the elves' sacred land. We had to build around it. And I'll say, what do you mean? And they say, we were trying to build a road and then inexplicably the machines broke down, the bulldozer broke down, we got some more in. So there's a lot of people out there who still believe in that. And I'm like,

yeah, mushrooms are completely there. Well, think about, you know, the popular theory, there's a popular theory that consciousness is rendered, rather reality is rendered by consciousness. And that consciousness renders reality much like a computer and a 3D game engine renders a game. So like, if you're playing a game, like say, if you're playing Halo, it doesn't have to render, it doesn't have to render all these maps that you're not in. It's only rendering the map that you're in. Right. Right. So as you go into the new maps, then it starts to render it. So there's legitimate

physicists that are entertaining the possibility that reality is not concrete and that reality is actually rendered by consciousness. And here's my thought. I don't know if this is accurate. I don't know if they're right. I don't know if they're wrong. It's weird and it makes sense, but reality

doesn't make sense. Neither does the fact that the universe is infinite. So let's put all that aside and God made us all in his image. Great. Let's put that aside and just stop and think about what is consciousness capable of rendering when it has access to science, it has access to all these different university courses you can take on biology and evolution and the nature of the world and what causes the tide and what makes thunderstorms happen and all these different things that we know now. Now, imagine if those things didn't exist and all you have is just super hyper focused on

nature primitive people who have gods as an explanation for everything and they're on mushrooms. Like if consciousness really does render reality, then well, then the elves are real, right? Because then because if you've done enough mushrooms, you have encountered an entity, you've encountered something that doesn't seem like you're making it up. It seems like it's there all the time, but you don't have access to it. And then all of a sudden you're in front of it. And if you're in

a world where there's no explanation for anything because no one knows how to read, okay, you might have a bunch of fucking weird grunts for your language. You have extra consonants and shit and all your words like this is in there, war your people and you're on mushrooms and you're respecting the elf land. So much so you move your road around. That sounds better than today. I agree. I love what you said there as well because I remember at

the start of my swim. I did a training swim. I'm tumbling down afterwards getting out my wetsuit and this old guy, this old fisherman just comes out of nowhere. First thing he says to me, under the northern lights, I'm looking up, they're amazing. They just illuminated the entire sky. I'm like, wow, look up. And he just comes over and just whispers in my ear and he just said,

they're probably deciding if you live or die. I went, oh, excuse me. Oh boy. I'm just like, this asshole keeps swimming for 60 hours at a time. He wants to die. They probably saw right through you.

This guy's crazy. I'm sorry. What did you say? They're probably deciding if you live or die. I said, please, you're going to have to explain. He said that we believe that in an ancient

Nordic folklore that basically the northern lights of the Valkyries, Odin's female warriors, and that is their shimmering shields and their swords as they're riding through the sky, looking down at the fallen to see who makes it back to Valhalla to dine with Odin. And I was again, at the time, I was like, oh, that's a bit off-key. We're not going to describe it. We're going to describe it. 112 days later, we swim obviously through the summer. So there's less

chance to see the northern lights because you get 24 hours a day light. And then right at the very end, on the very, very, very last swim, northern lights come up again. It was weird. And I'm on my back. It's like, look, as the Valkyries, if Odin is listening, thank you so much.

Well, again, if you live back then, you would think that your journey is complete. And so at the end of the video game, you get to see some cool montage of scenes and beautiful sights. And that's what happens in a movie. Like, this is the end of the movie. Yeah, you did it. That's

what's weird about reality. Like, this idea that consciousness is rendering reality. Again, I really don't understand it. I don't even know if it makes sense. Oh, there we go. Yeah. In Iceland,

respect the elves or else. Yeah, I'm respecting the fucking elves. Okay. This rock, they won't move. I'm not touching that rock. The elves don't want to move. Yeah,

I think they're real, dude. 100%. I think they're real. I think you just can't see them normally. It's a news cruise, tried to film the rock and every time they tried to film it, like it wouldn't record. Good. Good. Fuck you. Fuck you. Take news. Take news. Don't film the rock.

Yeah, the real news is there's fucking elves are real. They moved the road. Even TV crew say their cameras failed to record anything when pointed at the rock. I bet I go there and record the shit out of it with my iPhone. Fuck you.

How's your picture? You got a guy working for you that's an asshole. He's probably done a ton bit by a cold road two days ago. The guy's tripping balls. Fuck off. Yeah, well, they're not that. That might have been

different. That's just fun. It's just fun. Like whoever the guy who was saying they're deciding whether you live or die, he's having fun. It's a good time. Who was that guy? He was an old fisherman.

Yeah, that old fisherman was fucking with this cocky, jack British guy. He's looking at you like fuck you in your six pack. The elves are going to kill you. He did. He did. He was fucking with you.

That guy was fucking with you 100%. I was like, he disguises himself as an old man. Or he's an asshole. He's an old fisherman. He's fucking drunk every night. He's tired of life.

He sees his beautiful young English man with a fucking manly beard. That's a six pack. Just like a jack ready to swim for days. He's like, fuck you. The elves are going to kill you.

He tells you he wanted you to be nervous. It's like this fucking dork. Fuck him. And the survey over 80% of the respondents refused to deny the existence of elves. Wow.

And 8% were certain they existed. Well, those guys were dangerous. They were dangerous people. Those are religious fanatics. Put them back up please. Those guys, they can't

be trusted. How the fuck do you know? It's all about respect for nature, which is something Icelanders know is very much alive. I agree with that. Said, what an old what an Iceland name.

Guys name is Donald. But when your house can be destroyed by an earthquake, when you could be blown over by the wind, when boiling water from your taps tells you there's lava not far beneath your feet, then you don't mess with nature. Holy shit. They get boiling water from their taps sometimes. Yeah. What the fuck man? You imagine going to sleep? You know that there's so much lava

underneath your house that water is boiling coming out of your tap. You're like, can I? What is it? Housewives, Breville Hills. It's like sitting there staring at Kim Kardashian.

No way. Caitlyn Jenner is on TV. Oh, they're all together again. You want to just fluck in lava on your feet. That's Icelandic people. Oh, hard as hell. I said this. It's like, it's just a country

that's trying to kill you. When we were there actually at the very end. So I basically, I made it back by three days for the birth of my first child. Congratulations. Thank you so much. That's awesome. Yeah,

that's a life changer, huh? It's amazing. Yeah, it was but but but at the end, for instance, so my girlfriend, she's amazing. We've been together for 13 years and the basically the university vice and said, look, if you can collect EDNA samples, environmental DNA samples around the coast of Iceland, we can track biodiversity, a level of detail we've never seen before. So we had them on board, we had sponsors on board, we had a boat on board and then we found out we were pregnant. I was like,

Oh, you know, in America, we frowned upon that we are pregnant. Oh, really? Frown upon that. She's pregnant? Yeah, she's pregnant. You're definitely pregnant. She's pregnant.

When I say in America, I mean me, I frowned upon that guy. She's pregnant. Yeah. She's amazing. She just said, look, you know, go, but you need to make it back. So we had that hard. That's a good thing,

sir. You need to live. You're about to have a baby. You're about to have a baby. You're about to have a baby. You're about 60 days of fucking else. Oh, my God. I know. But I think I've heard you talk about

fatherhood and stuff. It invoked something in me. A level of motivation that I've never experienced before. It was just at the end. So we got caught in Hurricane Erin was coming through the Atlantic.

So that was over the East Coast. We had 100 miles to finish and in Grindevic, there was a volcano going off that had poisonous gas. We couldn't get too close to that as well. In hell, it did. And then here, there was one of Europe's largest glaciers that just sent shards of ice as big as this table.

And at night, you just couldn't see it. You're just hitting them. Oh, my God. The team was like, look, I'm so sorry. We're going to be here for two weeks. And I was like, no, no, I'm so sorry.

I need to get back. And it was that form of motivation at the end, just knowing you had that hard deadline. Yeah, I just I got jellyfish coming off my face, tongue falling off from saltwater exposure. It didn't matter. I was like, I'm not not being back for the birth of my son. I made it back

like three days. Wow. Yeah, it got it, but it got nuts. It's a very primal feeling. It ignites something in you that does not exist in people that don't have children. I don't think I don't think I mean,

I am very careful about this. I do not think you have to have to. I don't like to shame people that don't have kids. I don't like shame people who never had kids. I don't think it's I think you could be a wonderful person and contribute to the world without children. But I could just say for me,

it changed who I am. It changed. It changed me in a very profound way. And I always bring up this Dave Chappelle quote. So I apologize to people who've heard it before. But he said something very

profound once in the parking lot of the commie store. He said not only did having children change the amount of love that I have, he goes, it changed my capacity for love. I love that. Yeah, and it did that for me. And it also did for me this other very profound thing. It made me stop

looking at people as a static thing. When I met a guy in his 40, and he's an asshole, I'm like, fuck that guy's a fucking asshole. I don't think that way anymore. Now, I mean, sometimes I do, if I'm short-tempered, if I'm in a bad mood, if I'm in a rush, under stress, I can have slips, but when I'm at peace, I look at that guy as a baby. That's a baby. That's someone's little boy,

and shit didn't go off around. There was a series of either bad decisions or bad experiences or bad parenting or bad judgment or bad luck. And now here he is. It's just a fucking mess. And that's why I have a hard time seeing homeless people. It genuinely bothers me. I never see homeless

people and I go, fuck that guy. I go, fuck that guy. I go, fuck that guy. If they're like getting close to my kids and they're being aggressive and they're schizophrenic. But most of the time, I think that was somebody's baby. That's somebody's baby. I'm exactly the same. It changes. It changes

your life. I was talking to Hooperman about this. And I really, hormonally, I felt I was always a bit selfish, a bit single-minded in my swims and stuff. As soon as he arrived, I was like, that's it. Everything changes. It was crazy. I think as well, it was strange for me because I

lost my dad as well four years ago when I was becoming a dad myself. So the Iceland swims existed in this strange world between the two. And that was like really big for me. I even said, I knew back I talked about how it's kind of this idea that the swims almost attribute to everything that my dad had taught me, but equally a letter to my future son. And I hope that they look at that and go, okay, yeah, all the values and everything that I was taught.

Well, just living the way you live just by example would be an insane role model for your kid. I mean, you're a very unusual person. Your will is very odd. The ability to do those kind of things, I respect greatly. I don't want to do it. I think I'm retarded. But I respect greatly. I'm

good friends with Cameron Haines. And he runs a lot of these really insane 200, 300 mile races. And I respect it. I don't think it's good for you. But I get what he's doing. He's trying to find

out where his breaking point is. He's trying to push himself to his breaking point. And I admire that greatly because that is a noble quest. Whether or not you think it's smart, I don't I don't think it's smart. But I want to do it. But it is a noble quest. It is an absolutely noble

quest. And he is different than me. We are all different. And everyone has this thing in their head that they need to sort out. And sometimes the way you sort it out is by doing something that's fucking insanely hard to find out who you really are. And I think I like to do it a little bit every day.

That's my method. My method is do a little bit every day when I say a little bit like a couple hours. That's what I like. A couple hours of torture every day find out who I am. And when I take a few days off, I get nervous. I get confused. Who am I? I don't know. I don't know if I could do this anymore.

You know what I mean? You know those feelings? I'm sure you even get those. Many times if you take a few weeks off working out and you start working out again, I'm like, oh my god, I'm really going to put myself through this again. It's so true. Right? Am I really going

to go swim for six days again? What the fuck is wrong with me? You know? I was chatting to Huberman about this because I was just I'm so aware that my dopamine system probably works a little bit differently. You know, when someone says, oh, let's go do a 24 hour swim. And then they go, oh, three days past

bears. I'm like, okay, hold my beard. I'm in. And I think that's what's so weird. But I know Huberman spoke about with your anterior mid-singular cortex. And that's the other way that I can actually, for me,

it was so interesting chatting to him because in my head, when your tongue is falling off or, you know, you're just chasing cellulitis, I think of it like weighing scales and you kind of got grit or quit pain and purpose. And at any point, the anterior mid-singular cortex, that part of your brain is just weighing them up. For me, you just need as much pain as it is. You just need to outweigh it with enough purpose. And to do that, you'll continue if not. And I think it's so much, I mean,

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up earlier. One of the fighters got pulled from a car a few years back. I can't remember when, but it was because of exactly what you were talking about, like creating levels in his blood. And I was like, what, I was confused at the time. I didn't know what that meant. I was like,

why? Creating. Was that mean? It took too much creating? Like, no, his body's so broken down from training. It's not safe for him to fight. Like, how's that possible? Like, how does somebody show up

at the actual fight day? Below now, Junior dosontos fighting is worth the health risk because it's everything to me. Was it Junior? He got pulled from a fight? Yeah. So I think they got wrapped in my life. They're breaking down.

Yeah. Oh, but I don't think that he got pulled from the fight. I think this is just what happened to him in that fight. So that fight, so he had two fights way up three fights with Kane Velasquez. Kane Velasquez has the greatest cardio of any heavyweight that ever lived. They used to call him cardio

Kane. It was a freaky gift that he had. And it was also his understanding of management of cardio is incredible. He never threw anything full blast. Everything was like 60, 70%, but with perfect technique.

And he would just never get tired. Like never get tired. And the first fight, Junior dosontos caught him with a big right hand and knocked him out. It was a big deal. Then they have this rematch.

And the rematch Kane's healthy. The first fight he went into with a blown out knee and his knee wrapped up. He fucked up his meniscus like in training. And then in the second fight, he's fully healthy. And he mauls Junior dosontos. And it's a war. It's a five round crazy war where it looks like they're

both going to well, it looks like Junior's going to die. It looks like he's going to die. And then he does it again in the second fight. They have a third fight rather, second rematch. The second rematch, same sort of result. Kane just mauls him. Like Kane was just, Kane was on a completely different level

to everybody else when he came to cardio. Guys who get this thousand yard stare in the second round, like I can't do this for five rounds. I can't, I can't keep this guy off me. It's impossible. And so if he got wrapped up from that fight, I would not be surprised. I've been a lot of

fighters get wrapped up after the fights. Because some of those fights, like they're on death's fucking door. They're on death's door. I think one of the worst, got to be Lola McDonald, right? Oh my god.

Oh my god. One of the craziest life or death fights in the history of the sport. And they sat each other down in the final round. I know they're staring at each other down and blood is pouring out of both of their faces. Robbie's lip is split halfway open. The whole thing was not the

end of it when I was interviewing him. Half of his lip is like open like a slice of pie. It's fucking insane. And he's saying how he's never gonna quit. I'm gonna keep calling to keep calling and I'm never gonna stop. And I was like, holy shit. This guy just got through five rounds of

most violent shit ever. Look at the two of them just staring each other down. It was unbelievable. Like life or death. Like they got, they got to the death door. And it Rory, when he collapsed,

it was like his nose had been shattered and the pain was just overwhelmed his brain. His body shut off and he just collapsed. He couldn't take anymore. It was crazy. When they're staring at each other and put the final round like motherfucker. Look at Robbie screaming in the crowd with his arms up.

So what I think is going on there is a few things. I think there's like stress and juice animal geezier the way that like an injured animal will bite off its arms get out of the trap. That must be going on. So just pain suppression, nor epinephrine, everything. There's also some fucking genetics. Robbie Law has got some caveman jeans son. He's got some

warrior jeans. That dude's that's in his DNA. I've been watching that kid fight since he was 20 years old. He's a fucking savage. Like a savage to the core. One of the greatest knockouts in the history of

sport happened to Robbie was fighting up a division. So he was fighting this guy, Melvin Manhoof. And Melvin Manhoof is a kickbox or a very high level kickboxer who came out of Mike's gym and Amsterdam. Mike's gym and Amsterdam is legendary. Produced by the Hari, there's like a series of like wicked kickboxers came out of Mike's gym. And Melvin Manho sort of epitomized that

style. They were hyper aggressive. And Melvin is built like you. Like look at him. So Melvin in this fight, Melvin is chewing up Robbie's legs. He keeps leg kicking him. I mean he's punishing his

legs. Melvin was so fast and so powerful and they're getting these exchange and boom Robbie hits with one punch and knocks him out. If you and he's just out cold, like look at his zoom in on his face. He's just he's in the shadow realm right now. But if you go to earlier in the fight, like what Melvin was doing to him, it was a crazy comeback. Like go earlier in the fight. Melvin is all over

him. I mean he's so dangerous and so fast. Like Melvin was putting him in really bad spots. He kept rocking him. And when you talk about like high level kickboxers, Melvin was elite. Like perfect

technique, ridiculous power and athleticism and just so warrior spirit just attack you from the but he would come out for his fights with a dog collar on. But he wear like a spiked dog collar and be dancing, getting ready for his fights, terrifying human being. He's he's yeah. But I think I'm back to the berserker. And there's such a parallel between him and Alex Pereira. You know that idea like with

the Jaguar style and boating the spirit of an animal. I mean I don't know about Melvin. I would be terrified if I was in the case and I saw Pereira walking out. Would you know the the team, the fighting nerds? Of course. Yeah. So the head dude I can't I'm blanking on his name. But I was just watching this video

about Carlos Bratas who is one of my all time favorites right now in the UFC and the World's Way division. And one of the things that we're talking about is how he has his fighters mimic animals. And he studies animals and animals fighting to the death online and that it's all about controlling the space. Like he did give an example of the mongoose and the cobra. And it's not that the mongoose is faster than the cobra or more deadly than the cobra is the mongoose is a master of controlling space. The mongoose is like fainting. Like as he's coming into the cobra he's like moving

in a little bit. Yeah Pablo Pablo is a brilliant guy and he's the one I mean they really are nerds. Like they really do like data analytics and they study all mitt moves that work and moves that don't work. And what happens at what percentage of time like he's got a very data driven approach to MMA training but also like super own but minded because he's like considering animal movements. That's amazing. Yeah. And the things that he was talking about was mongoose and cobras. And they

have this example and it shows like these mongooses they're essentially like juking with the cobra they're fainting. They're trying to get the cobra to react and they move back when the cobra reacts and they're trying to draw this cobra in and get a sense of what the cobra's distance is. That's crazy. And all of his fighters particularly Carlos is a master at controlling distance. He's always pressing forward and then when you come in him he slides away and he's pressing forward and it's always you're always in danger. You're constantly in danger. So you're always like on the defensive

and you're trying to get some offense and it doesn't work and you're back on the defense masterful. That's fascinating. Yeah. I think it's almost lost. It was the 17th century writing which was in Samuel Johnson who said become a beast to get rid of the pain of being a man. And I think

so often we've lost that certainly for me when swimming in many ways I was very much inspired by the shark. You know when I was swimming very much like the berserk of the bear and I think some of the best athletes like I said I love Pereira and his jaguar style. You know both feet on the floor so constantly generating. But yes Samuel Johnson become a beast to get rid of the pain of being a man. That's a great quote and very applicable. But for most people like the journey, the path is just

too daunting. That's the idea but it's just oh what am I going to do? I'm going to start out a beginner and just get humiliated all the time. Fuck that. It just doesn't seem fun at all. You know and they

don't want to do it and so then they'll dismiss it and talk and then it becomes toxic masculinity which is adorable. That was adorable. I think also what I found so interesting is again I'll try to think about this but the different parts of the brain so you're going to start eating the part of the brain that's almost involved in expectation, reward and reality. So to use a fighting example when things are going well for a fighter what's happening the ventral striatum is going okay I've done this and that and I'm winning. It's prime con of a grega, it's prime Anderson silver, it's modern day Iliotopura you know that everything's going well but as soon as that goes wrong, something goes wrong all of a sudden dopamine, plummets, ventral striatum goes okay that behavior is now not working and I think it's been so interesting seeing fighters the same when I'm swimming I can get caught in a counter current. There's been times where I swim and they go Ross

you've got to swim for four hours to swim out of this massive whirlpool. I swim for four hours head down head down like that my long goes off I look at my watch and go guys how far I've was one and they go Ross you've been swimming on the same spot you've not moved you've been swimming on the same spot for four hours and I think it's interesting that it's not just losing it's actually like the brain the biochemistry just implodes and I think you kind of saw that like I said I think what happened in your mind when you found out you're in the same spot for four hours I mean it's like I said it's not just a loss understanding the neuroscience of it basically the ventral striatum going this isn't working dopamine is no longer released all of a sudden it is just like a dark biochemical cloud and when you understand that you can start to try to process out how do you get out of that I'm glad you asked there's another part of the brain as well called the dorsal lateral prefrontal cortex and that's involved in strategy so essentially when you are completely losing ventral striatum goes this isn't working so when I'm swimming tongue's falling off next jay thing cellulitis ventral striatum this is not working and then you've got two options again this is an oversimplification but in my head this is how I basically map it out anterior mid singular cortex grit or quit pain and purpose discipline you just do it because you said you're gonna do it you just

create anything get through it or dorsal lateral prefrontal cortex over here which is more strategy and sometimes you can just completely reframe what you're doing you can change technique and everything as well when you're swimming but sometimes just reframing that suffering you know great man said be the hero of your own movie and I think looking at the hero's journey as well um I think that's so interesting where jose canbell talks about that idea of just kind of the the hero slaying your dragon in a most hey battling so I think sometimes that strategy is just reframing yourself right when you're constantly losing and how long did it take you to get out of that world pool I think we were there for most of that day most of that day and then with the type because basically over the top of Iceland it's like a giant bay so you get counter currents world pools and eventually with everything that's happening you'll eventually be able to swim out of it eventually yeah yeah but you can yeah Jamie's dead I'm dead too bitch how much can you swim can you swim good yeah I mean what do you mean what's what do you mean like in a fucking little pool in the ocean dog I'm gonna reason I could probably I don't know how strong I've never been I'll be dead in 15 minutes

I'm under water in the ocean I could probably save someone you could save someone depending on the waves you know who saved somebody great for Simmons did you ever hear that story didn't you tell him the podcast yeah I wouldn't go out though I wouldn't test some lady it was on vacation some lady he jumped in the water and rescued her oh yeah yeah she was offshore and I guess the reptile caught her and Greg voriscus fucking life went out there and grabbed her and helped her what a legend legend I was like damn dude I'm like did you think it won't cause his family was there too it was on vacation I was like do you think that maybe you wouldn't be able to make it back did you worry about that he's like yeah because it's crazy people don't understand like surrounding people are dangerous yeah because they'll hold on to you and you won't be able to like get them to relax and then they won't let go with you and then you're both drowning exactly it's in ice on the south coast it's called rainous fjodas considered like literally one of the most dangerous beaches in the world and have these sneaker waves that just come from nowhere and we were there and I think it was a family I think it was a little girl who lost a life but witnessing it as well there were so many tourists who thought it was fun to run up as close as they couldn't as the waves crash over they get a selfie and they run and I was like oh I don't want to be

like oh here we go what the fuck dude that's like some shit right out of the ranks look at that that doesn't even look real but this is a little more door the sneaker waves from there they will come from nowhere and they'll just absolutely yeah fuck you they see the tourists there and I don't go anywhere near that shit fuck yeah there you go yes you have tourists when we were there and I felt I was so conflicted because I was like I don't want to be a killjoy or anything there's people taking pictures while sitting on those rocks and then you just saw massive waves we left and then an hour later we saw helicopters overhead we heard ambulances and we knew the worst thing yeah you can die you can die doing that that is a guy who was a WWE wrestler died a few years ago he got caught in a rip-court room tide right is that what I was thinking I was I was saying I think that was like a Venice B-shirts and a Monica I think you're right I think it wasn't Venice yeah man it's fucking terrifying if you don't know how to swim the ocean as a monster oh yeah even on certain parts as well when you get wind over tide that's the worst the tide's going one night wind's going the other and we get what's called the overfalls and swimming over there it was nuts there's the waves they're not rolling anymore they're detonating that's the only way I can describe it's just going off around you and you're swimming in there as well what's happening underneath is all the jellyfish are just

getting smashed on the rocks so as you're swimming jellyfish tentacles are literally going up your nose and you're inhaling them as well oh great that's gotta be good for you jellyfish can fuck you up too yeah yeah yeah shut up yeah for the wrong ones the ones nice and all right but I think after you take maybe like five or six they start attacking your lymph nodes you start scratching under your armpits of your groin where some see heroes and other see egos Bloomberg sees the era of billionaire athletes while others follow the noise we follow the money learn more at Bloomberg.com my youngest daughter got a little bit just a touch from a jellyfish in Costa Rica and oh my god it was horrible she was an agony it was terrible and they keep like stuff on the beach that you pour on them because it happens so often and people get zapped by jelly it's not they're not dangerous they don't kill you but they fucking hurt like hell yeah yeah go do the ocean itself is just like like what's interesting about all those people in that photograph that's in that video they're watching and standing isn't it fascinating how people are drawn to that abyss they're drawn to the majesty of that water just

the vastness of it there's something about that I think is really good for people I think it's one of the reasons why people go into the ocean sitting on the beach I think there's something about that that just calms people to fuck down because it puts you in perspective like hey bitch look out at all that fucking water okay you can't live in any of that all right you are so nothing and that's why I think beach towns are so chill like beach towns are not like like why is um downtown Manhattan so beep beep fuck you everybody's like hype tub because they're surrounded by people created shit if you're you're just standing there staring at the vastness of the ocean you're relax and then at night time you see the stars too you see the fucking milky way and then there's the ocean like all right this is clearly I'm not that important 100 I'm barely anything I'm not with Iceland with some mushrooms under the northern lights oh especially in the last day of your swim it's like the universe letting you know you did it you completed your journey fucking bananas man this is exactly but I love what you said there as well I mean certainly on the swim it was so interesting sometimes I tried to swim with gratitude as much as I can you know swim with a smile and you're just grateful to be there because I love David Goggins and I've tried his form of motivation

where he's you know man up greet your cheese get through this but for me personally after you know 100 days I can't keep calling myself a bitch I'm just like oh have a day Wilson David is a very unique character I don't know anybody like him and I don't recommend it I don't recommend you becoming him good fucking luck you have to have that demon inside of you like that guy does he's a sweetheart of a guy though I love him to death but that dude that fire ain't going out he's 50 years old that fire is not going out he does things where people aren't watching that's what's crazy about David it's not all these like things where people get to see it's not no no no no no no he calls it being in the lab like every day he's doing it like dude every day he's out there running 20 miles he runs with weight vest on he gets in from that he does weights he does chin ups and push ups like it's not it doesn't stop it doesn't end and then the next day it's another thing it's another fucking insane thing it never ends and no one's watching no one's watching it's not being documented he's just doing it and then every now and then he'll go out and run some fucking 200 mile race and I was like what the fuck man like what are you and he's also got no knees his knees are completely blown apart he's got bone on bone on both of his fucking knees he's had multiple

operations where they had to actually his bone had grown so fucked up that they had to chop his fucking leg in half and pull it down so they could make it level because the the bone it's like called what's called wolf syndrome or some shit where you're they grind against each other so your body tries to protect itself by building extra bone when it builds it it fucks up the geometry of the knees they don't work correctly so then you're running like bone on bone with fucked up geometry and you get back pain all kinds of so he had his fucking knee sawed off and then had shifted downward and then screwed into place and you know what he did he just got on a fucking bicycle and he started using a bicycle then and so he's fucking indoor cycling all day for five six hours all right so it's an animal actually yeah subochromial decompression with my shoulder which um it's often weightlifters will get it but they said we've never really seen it in a swimmer but it was exactly the same I need to have the the bone shaved down to make room again holy shit yeah yeah that was that the left shoulder the right so it's been fine so when they shaved down the bone did they have to is your cartilage okay or is yeah cartilage was fine and it was just the bone yeah just there yeah just went in shaped down the bone and how much bond did they shave down good amount yeah and actually a little cup of it

I should have asked to shave that but I love what you said there as well because I just think gogens taps into something that so few people want to almost address Carl Jung talks about it with your shadow self you know that part of your psyche that you don't want to reveal to the world are you aggressive jealous hyper competitive um again it was it was nicha wasn't it whoever fights monsters you see to it that they too don't become a monster as you stare into their this too long the abyss will stare back into you yeah and I think that's what gogens does brilliantly or Jordan Peterson as well you know the the problem isn't having a monster it's making sure you can't put it back in the cage yeah and I think that's what gogens does so when I did take inspiration from that on certain swims as well where you know reading a few comments online people guys never gonna do this swim he's too big to be a swimmer this is gonna fail badly that is the weird thing about you though like most endurance athletes aren't that heavily muscled yeah you know what I mean that is very odd I've showed pictures of you to my friends I would like I talk about people who don't crazy shit I've detailed some of the insane things you've done something insane swamps and they're like how are you doing that what is that jacked like that is weird right yeah I think there's a few different things to unpack so so the first is you just need bulk so going back to biomimicry and we're talking

about that a lot now but I think what's so interesting is I want to become more whale like you know I think absolutely you look at a pool swimmer they are poetic in the water they're amazing they look like dolphins and make oh shark that would be useless for me when caught in an arctic storm so I need strength and bulk yeah muscle mass being thermos I can generate right but equally on top of that I think it's also really interesting that through my strength train it's called my tachary mechanic transduction just basically means people think a strength train is improving the strength of the muscles but it's connected tissue ligaments and tendons that respond to that mechanical stimuli so for me when swimming I need the connected issue my the tendons in my rotator I need to be bullet proof because that's what's going to give up this this swim isn't going to stop because of my VO tool lactic threshold right it's going to stop with something tears right so that's why being like this I'm not as fast but I sacrifice that for being more physically robust that makes sense and I think finally this is something as well which is really interesting at the moment so I'm a huge fan of camakavoys the 50 meter world record holder for freestyle and he's just rewritten the rule book on swimming basically there's a direct correlation between your one rep max on pull-ups and your swim sprint speed and here yeah really real strong correlation so he's now basically doing one rep max with

pull-ups with 80 90 kilos and just speed reps as well just ripping and you see what he's done he's barely swimming into 90 kilos yeah he's an absolute yeah it's not like 185 pounds or some shit what is that yeah yeah it's on his Instagram recently did it with 80 he's an absolute and how many how many chin I think he's doing about three he's an absolute specimen yeah and what she's so that's that's swimming that's that's sprinting so obviously that's not endurance but taking inspiration from that you have what's called your strength reserve so strength reserve just basically means if you are capable of doing a pull-up with 100 kilos that means your own body weight is a basically a smaller percentage of what you're capable of here we go is that him there he goes 80 kilos that's the same and what is it Jamie did we figure out what that is I'll ask what is 80 kilograms in pounds but look at how that's yeah 176 that's crazy he's amazing and he's completely rewritten the rule books when it comes so it's like 50 um world record holder at the moment oh that's crazy he's doing that three sets of five

with 50 kilograms and so this is just to generate strength for the sprinting exactly that you think about it you want to make some pull-ups is so good every single stroke is almost like a unilateral single limb pull-down so he's just ripping through the water like that but what's been really interesting is traditionally you used to just swim for miles and miles it was almost we call it like garbage yardage that you're just swimming swimming he was swimming sometimes in his sets like 800 meters which is my warm-up but it was just all flat outs he's revolutionized swimming so that's sprinting but what I'd taken from it like I said your strength reserve basically if you're capable of a huge one-rate max on pull-ups it means that every single stroke that you take is a smaller percentage of what you're capable of I think the best example I can think of like this is a good friend of mine Eddie Hall was from the first guy to the L.F. 500 kilos he entered a crossfit competition and there was a particular ward it was 60 kilos it's a brilliant video if you've seen it Jamie but there's it's 60 kilos and you see these crossfitters they're up overhead and it's a clean and it's a beautiful push press but because Eddie is so strong and he's got such a big strength reserve he basically as you're about to

see now just I mean that's a front delt raise mixed with a row that's crazy if you don't know that is so much harder to do with that one 60 kilos I believe 60 kilos and so like I said the crossfitters perfect technique they clean it to the chest right and then they are bending their knees and they are touching it's just no no no it's a front delt raise kind of with a row that's literally insane if you don't know that's literally insane but my point here is I mean Eddie's an absolute specimen but my point here is he doesn't train for this this is completely he doesn't this isn't clearly because he doesn't do that movement at all if he did that movement he wouldn't be doing it that way but he's got an immense strength reserve and so that's my point actually time you break the record that is so insane that's so insane that he did that that way now watch a regular crossfitter do it can you show a regular crossfitter do it regular regular crossfitter they catch it on their chest is exactly and they step back as a poetic technique and so that's my point so coming back to the swimming that as strong as I get when I'm strength training it just means that every single stroke over the Arctic Circle is a smaller fraction of what I'm capable of that makes sense that makes sense and

then you have to be able to have that fine line between the endurance and bock it's exactly so muscular endurance and you know but also having strength is exactly and I think also what was really interesting at MRI scan revealed you have slow twitch fibers that are very resistant to fatigue that your ultramarathon runners then you have your fast twitch fibers that are sprint speed power and what was so strange is on my MRI they said we have an unusual proportion of fast oxidative like lytic fibers so they're basically in between the two they're able to produce a lot of force but they're very resistant to fatigue as well is that cultivated interesting they said I think I had a genetic predisposition for that but with the amount of training I've done I've also nurtured it interesting how do they know that you have a genetic predisposition for it if they didn't examine you before you started all this training it was all theory yeah they said yeah that's my question is I wonder how much of it is adaptable I wonder of how much of what we say oh here's a genetic advantage like are we sure or do this guy's body change because of necessity it made intuitive sense what is it what we call that clean press the no it's there's a rep it's part of a workout called it as a bar so there we go it's called it is a bellow oh here we go it's off as a ball so this is Noah Olsen who's an absolute

specimen by the way yeah so he's competing in more of catching it and then using his legs to complete it so he's doing it awesome this is perfect technique look at that catching it also they're not catching it on their chest no it's like a snatch press kind of something okay so he's so it's called the Isabella but you see the rest of us suppose between sets compared to the delwars and like I know he's a good friend he's an absolute specimen what is uh what is the term wad what's that stand for a guy over there you go what is it work out of the day and emoms is reps per minute right isn't that what it is where is it okay so this workout of the day is a whole bunch of these oh 30 snatches I think this one's different actually it might be different well then why did that he said he he did that particular Isabella benchmark work out in 50 seconds I think that's I mean that's just what I'm going off of I was interested it's some different my bad but yeah but yeah but he does illustrate interesting uh beating the previous male record previously associated with figures like rich fronting but rich fronting is like way smaller than him which is crazy that he could do that because it's the same weight right

is it the same weight they're all using yeah yeah we'll be 60 yeah that's even nuts that rich fronting could do that with because I don't think his body weight is anywhere even close to that Eddie Hall's 300 plus pounds right he's got a bit lean in now with that he's getting small always done some MMA fights and shit yeah with Tommy as well he went the distance as well with Tommy Fury yes crazy I think they both won that fight it was amazing in that crazy you know yeah no one expected him to go that far you know what I was really impressed with when he had a boxing match with the mountain and when I was really impressed with was the mountain I never say his name correctly how do you say his name you want some you want some you want some you want some yeah he didn't use his strength like he was throwing punches like with perfect technique he was throwing punches like a boxer like he learned how to whoever trained him they did an amazing job because the guys obviously got ridiculous power but he he's like throwing punches correctly and he dropped it he hauled a few times whereas Eddie Hall's just winging at him with these wild power shots Thor is moving around him and look see how he's throwing his technique it's very clean man even his jab look at that he's not overextending I mean he clearly is like a new boxer but a very

good athlete and is figuring out how to use his his technique and recognize that the power is always gonna be there because he's so fucking huge he dropped him a few times now at least once in that fight why not amazing when sometimes like the laws of martial arts sometimes need to be slightly bent for people that size you know again having rolled with certain people like you're getting on bar and yeah well that's a problem like this particular what Marcel Garcia who's the giant killer he famously would just go for next like because he felt like Kimura like he obviously he knew how to use a Kimura he's very high level black belt one of the greatest grapplers of all time if not the greatest and Marcelo never hit Kimura so he would just get next so he became a next specialist so his whole thing was a high elbow guillotine and rear naked choke if you got your back you're fucked and that was how he was able to defeat much larger opponents because you can't really defend if he can get that rear naked choke around your neck and stop the blood to your brain that's it you go to sleep like you can not tap if someone gets you an arm bar you get a lot of your arm to get broken and I've seen it happen a lot of times but what you can't do is stop a guy from choking unconscious and so Marcelo being as smart as he is and being a small guy is like 160 pounds he just figured okay I'll just get

a raise neck and he just became a next specialist see I love what you said there as well because I often think you know the best athletes are the best at doing what they do best when I'm by that whether it's ultra marathon running whether it is cross fit what's wrong it's fine it doesn't matter you lean into what you're really good at you sort of could be wrestling you know Pereira striking sure it's just you just drill what you're really good at I think for me swimming certainly that's what I've sort of honed in on like I'm not gonna be built like Michael Phelps I don't have this poetic nice stroke but what I can do is just get crazy strong for an endurance athlete so my restraints was every so much bigger and do something really insane like swimming for three fucking days exactly that's the thing is like most these guys are just not gonna be willing to do that they're willing to do a race because in a race you just go all out and you know it only lasts for a few seconds and when it's over it's over but you know yeah you do that and you can turn around those shores right there like you have to keep going many days in front of you and that's just a completely different thing you know I think that's it because I've always I was brought up with my dad and my granddad telling me stories one of athletes but two you know the hero occasion and talk to exploration when Admondson Robert Falcon Scott shackleton we're trying to get to the South Pole yeah you know about the Robert Falcon Scott and Admondson the contrast in what they did you know with Admondson just Norwegian

efficiency to get to the South Pole so turns up he's learned so much from those indigenous in the Arctic learn about dogs all of the crew were gifted in cross-country skiing in comparison the British guy Robert Falcon Scott brought ponies that fell through the ice mechanical sleds that broke down tinned food terrible what was so interesting as they got there Admondson even knew as he got to the South Pole he had a certain amount of dogs and on the way back he knew he could start systematically eating the dogs on the way back whereas the British Robert Falcon Scott refused to do that they were just handling man handling all of their sleds and when they got there to the South Pole they saw the Norwegian flag there already then were forced to trek back and I mean one of the most harrowing it was Lawrence Oates whose foot was you know badly injured and he just knew that he was holding up the team and then famously as they were caught in a blizzard he just turned to the team and just said gentlemen I'm going for a short walk I might be a while and he just walked to his death to try to make sure these team made it oh my god they didn't they didn't unfortunately yeah and I think it's that idea of kind of like you know civilization and survival you know you have to go to a strange place sometimes to actually make it and I think that was almost the appeal for my career in inverted commas

that's the appeal to people that are watching for sure that you're clearly going to some strange place where you could die you know and that's why people like watching your what would you call I almost said stunts but that's disrespectful they're not stunts they're you know journeys yeah they are yeah they are in some ways when we're passing so double way of saying I appreciate that right it is I always say they're almost these sporting spectacles that we use as a Trojan horse to deliver ocean conservation so I don't mind stuns at all that you're doing that yeah I mean obviously that's good you know I mean I think that there's there's one area of the world that we really are disrespecting and that's our oceans and when I say that I mean we can't keep pulling fish out at the rate we're doing it's nuts if you talk to fishermen and if you talk like the people have done surveys and the ocean is enormous it's very hard to understand but the the middle of it is not where everything is most of the life on the ocean is near the shores and or at least reasonably close to the shores 90 fucking percent of all big fish aren't in the ocean anymore like all these tuna men that used to fish tuna way back in the day and catch thousands that it's a lot less now it's and no one is even

thinking about it and you know there's regulations that some countries have on the way they're allowed to fish but some countries don't follow any of those fucking regulations you know I mean it's and what we've done to the you know fun fact this is how samalians became pirates so samalians became pirates because they were fishermen and they were all just fishermen they were just peaceful fishermen living in Somalia and these different countries were dumping toxic waste off their shore and it was killing all the fish and so they first started kidnapping these people who were dumping these boats filled with toxic sludge or whatever the fuck they were dumping nuclear waste whatever they're dumping into the ocean and demanding a ransom because these people have caused them so much loss because they're fish all dead and then they thought about and said well fuck this why don't we just kidnap people and so that became their new sport so the fish are all dead and they were on that what is that stuff called cat is that what it's called so there's a there's an arkada that they take called cat and it's a leaf that you chew is a nut is that a nut it's a leaf um whatever it is

it's something that you chew that gives you like an amphetamine like state like look at me i'm the now like that's that's cat you're fucking you're meth up you weigh 80 pounds you've been up for seven days and now you're kidding that people and so that's that's literally Somalia's history so when you look at like the samalian scams that are happening in america and you look at like this stuff that's going on in Minnesota like how did at least samalian's get involved in all these scams it all goes back to europeans poisoning their water yep Russian i think i think Russian poison i don't know i don't want to blame any countries but someone was dumping toxic waste in their water and that's what started all off that's true right i think they called themselves the people's coast guard of Somalia that's how they started off wow they don't have a long history of pirates they're not like black beard or any shit like that this is a fairly recent and human history uh turn for their culture and it probably led to a lot of other criminal activity if you think about it like if the core nature of your civilization gets shut off the core nature is your fishermen right you live in a village y'all catch fish that's what you live off of all that gets shut down people go into desperation

mode people start taking cat the protein and cattle ready but they they're doing upset it means and then they're kicking up and folks next thing you know you're getting machine guns you get all that money now you got a fucking you got carbines you got a 50 cal legal can i take that when i'm one i don't think it is i think it's i think it's uh i don't know what it is in america we probably have it schedule one how some audience fishermen became pirates yeah always 2009 it's mostly just says that once they lost their government it became a free-for-all right here i didn't think that was part of it as well fishermen just kind of got pissed i think that was part of it as well but i think there was an aspect of it about poisoning the water at the time i'm sure it probably came up later because it's just 2009 this is right right when it was kicking off really at this time when this article was written that said they had 18 cargo ships being held okay this is but i think this is everything already started to fall apart and i think it started to fall apart when the fish went away if i remember correctly this was quite a long time ago i read this but see if you put it into perplexity say is there a connection between uh Somali pirates and offshore dumping of toxic

waste that led to depleting other fishing grounds i didn't ask that exact question i just asked what was the reason to start taking ransoms um but see if that factors in see if it says that if you say was there uh an aspect of it where they were kidnapping people who had poisoned their water kidnapping people who poisoned their water suit dude isn't ai wonderful i know it's gonna kill us all not necessarily people they cannot we're not all people poison water right but initially there was serious reports and allegations of foreign companies dumping hazardous waste off of Somalia however a un environmental ocha account said two years earlier un fact checking missions found no evidence probably because the un was dumping it's post-unami inquiries did not identify specific dumping sites so they were kidnapping people poisoning their water is much more definitive than the evidence supports yeah i don't know if we know um the problem with ais it's pulling from all these different sources online and this yeah maybe the story i read was biased as well but the story that i well i read was a sort of a sympathetic take on why there's so many pirates

or not sympathetic but an understanding take like they're saying like you need to understand that this is a chain of consequences a chain of events that took place and one of those things was people doppin like for sure someone's dump toxic shit into the ocean we know they do that and so it doesn't seem that far of a stretch to imagine that that initially started off a crash in their economy if their fishing lands were or one of them or one of them don't try and sort it out i'll do it don't do that yes women dress up like a dollar bill i think i did i've been there what state of um these guys so now give yourself a goal boat and to put a sign that says we have no guns and go have fun that would be amazing i re-asked and gave a different answer yes some Somali pirates explicitly ascribe their attacks as retaliation for toxic waste dumping not just illegal fishing uh previous answer understated the reporting behind that claim but it does not establish that the crews they kidnapped themselves dumping waste right they probably just found people offshore and said you were dumping and the captain down and tooth okay uh 2008 pirate spokesman i'll have a spokesman i wonder if he was elected i wonder how he became a spokesman you think you had a campaign think

people had like signs on their lawn elect juan Ali jama for spokesman of the pirates ascribe to have ran some demand as a way of reacting to the toxic waste has been continually dumped on the shores of our country for nearly 20 years oh shit 20 years long fucking time but i believe that the report connected that claimed to the captured mv fina a Ukrainian ship carrying tanks and military equipment not a vessel identified in the report as a dumping waste but what a great shift to bust imagine you get a fucking of both that's got tanks and military equipment now you got yourself a mother fucking army dog environmental accusations weren't solely a private invention in that reporting un envoy boy say that guy's name help me out alma do elude abdala said the un had reliable information that european and asian companies were dumping toxic waste off simalia uni p spokesman niktatala describes simalia as a hazardous waste dumping ground but said insecurity prevented a proper scientific assessment of the problems constant wisdom and people love to dump shit in the ocean

these fucking assholes like you know you remember when that kid got killed in egypt he was at a resort in egypt and got killed by shark i think i saw the video it's a horrible video because he's screaming for his father he's screaming for his father so what we had heard and we looked into it it's not conclusive but it seems like they were dumping sheep carcasses in the ocean like when they had sheep carcasses they didn't want to just lay around rotting so they would put them in a boat take them out to see and dump them in the water so what did that attract what do you think that attracted some sharks and so then these sharks were in that area and people there was a really beautiful resort people go take their families go on vacation in a fucking monster soup monster soup right out there i'll tell you make fucking soup out of their dicks take them out of the water serve it up we need to go back to sharks fin soup these fucking people think sharks are their friends do you want to do so do i need to swim simalia and sort that out i don't think you do i think you should probably stay out of that maybe that'll be the one that kills you no whatever the fuck is in that water whatever the 20 years of toxic dumping that's not good you don't want that in your skin no deal no no yeah go go back to the card yeah i want to pass your opinion on this uh best cardio

in the ufc oh mma actually in history oh boy i'm gonna go i'm gonna put some up there morob morob is yeah bisping at phenomenal cardio this thing would melt people i remember it's fight with jay jason mayon miller who was very talented yeah bisping just melted him just this case was insane nikdaz nikdaz insane pace yep nikdaz also also incredible cardio yeah there's a lot of these guys now it's like it's we're in a realm now of of athletes joshua van insane cardio joshua van who's a flyway champion the fifth round fights like he's in the first round insane the level now is is at an all-time high that's why kangalaskas was so weird because it just didn't make sense it didn't make sense demystress jones in the small guys you're just kind of like yeah you're not inhibited by gravity the same way but we came to last case you're like that just you shouldn't you should be able to do that dc told me kane would take a couple months off of training like he had an injury had to take time off of training come back three months later fuck everybody up at the gym he said in cardio drills he said it was nuts oh is those nuts is that his base was just just insanity meanwhile he lost the title to fibricio verdume in mexico city at altitude because he was only there for two weeks and fibricio verdume he got a place to train in the mountains above mexico city so fibricio

was living at like i think it was like nine thousand plus feet above sea level and training up there and so he had phenomenal cardio and kane actually gassed out in that fight and fibricio caught a bit of guillotine to win the title i remember yeah man that was a big moment because nobody had ever not just beaten kane that way but beaten kane with like where kane was tired but you never saw kane tired it just shows you that altitude training is fucking critical man if you want to compete at altitude i was showing you the hypoxia chamber that we have here the exalt uh i think it's called the exalt exp hypoxia trainer it is so hard to work out at altitude but if you can do it i did it in preparation for this uh hunt that i did in utah and so i did it for two months and i was very rigorous i was very regular i was doing two really hard cardio workouts inside that thing a week that's all they recommend is that don't do more than that because you'll get to a point where you can't recover like you want to maybe three once you've built up but i never got to three made a giant difference giant difference like i could really because i go to the same place every year and at the highest point it's probably nine thousand feet sometimes you're at five thousand seven thousand

but you know you're walking up like very steep loose dirt at five thousand seven thousand feet it's hard it's really hard so you could feel it because you could feel it because you could feel it you could feel it i could feel that i had more gas one hundred percent yeah a big difference big difference and i only got to do it for two months and now i'm thinking i'm getting ready for next September i'm like if i can do it for a whole year if i can do that twice a week for a year that i make a giant difference by the time September rolls around hundred percent i think that's gonna change a lot of the way i think that particular type of training when you're training at like that machine can crank you up to above 20 000 feet above sea level i've only done 14 i've done 14 five that's the highest i've done it's it's insane there's no air in there man there's no fucking air in there and you're doing sprints on the airtime machine you're doing sprints on the treadmill and you're doing kettlebell swings and it's like when you get out of there man it's like your body gets this rush of oxygen oh oh as soon as you open the door you're like oh my god but then once you recover from it the next time it's a little bit easier and the next time it's a little bit easier it's like you feel your body adapting because it's like oh shit we got to do this so in a real world scenario like what we are here like what is the sea level here what's altitude here it's nothing it's nothing

you feel like there's so much power you can run through a building that's what it feels like and i think that's a game changer and so many of these like really high level camps have chosen to train at altitude you know you have a bunch of them obviously the daggastanese they train i don't know what what is daggastan what is a daggastan above sea level i got it's in the mountains yeah i got to say they're probably 4,000 5,000 feet you know obviously they have the Olympic training center in Colorado Springs i think that's about 5,000 feet you know and they have actually both they go they have areas below sea level that are down by the cast being in coast and they have mountain peaks that average elevation is 500 meters though interesting so it's like 1500 to 600 feet yeah max is what the peak is what the peak is 14,000 max is 14,000 but these are some of these mountain towns like where kabib is where's he at i know they do runs they do runs at altitude you know as does like the guys in Denver what's that 2000 meters above so 6,500 or so we're here zildy okay so he's pretty high 6,000 feet is high so if you're training at that altitude that's akin to Colorado Springs or a

lot of these places you know um Justin gachis coach Trevor Whitman he has a lot of his guys they do runs in the mountains they do these runs uphill the mountains on limited water as well some good stuff that's around dehydration that's Justin's big thing he will not drink water while he's in control dehydration yeah oh jesus there could be about there that view is insane so there is this is a weird story i've got um there is a method that could make you a faster runner um and i'm gonna apologize now this is a little bit left field but i was in the midi i was learning from the sand bushman out there so we were how do you organize that yeah always a documentary what's up yeah yeah so we are out there doing like a marathon a day we for the entire week barely any water it's horrible one particular guy out there and they're amazing they're just gliding across the sand basically as well i'm just like heavy running trying to keep up with them and there was one particular guy in the tribe as well who was um matrices and sassar back to the curdogen tribes did you know about the curdogen tribe no so it's basically an ethnic specific to Kenya you already smashed yours i'm still working on my dog i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry let's go sorry so basically um curdogen tribe ethnic groups specific Kenya produce more amazing marathon runners than anywhere else it's disproportionate

just how good they are with this particular group of people um and as we sit around the campfire they turn to me and they said uh this guy goes you know why we're so good you know why the curdogen drive that's so good at running and i said altitude and he went nuke and i was like barefoot running some beautiful biomechanics nuke circumcision oh you know it yeah and crawling through needles oh through thorns you know and they put with the mud as well yeah and they don't pass on yes so it's circumcision as a grown boy with uh no no nothing no water no cleanliness no no anesthesia just they cut it i think these these are naive for either a sharp rock well the theory goes that he was saying that basically with the circumcision you're basically as a young man in front of the entire tribe they will come out and they put clay like mud on your face and so you have to like just sit there and then basically the guy takes the chief of the tribe takes your tackle and then we essentially tackle i like that takes your tackle circumcise you you cannot flinch if you flinch in the mud cracks all of a sudden in the tribe everyone would be like oh he's not very desirable so you don't basically find a girl you don't have kids and only those where the mud doesn't crack they're considered desirable and they pass on their genetics so generation after generation you're passing on

this pain tolerance and then the end you end up curdogen tribe just unbelievable runners yeah i mean he looked across and said ruspt and i was like i'm good but if you're already circumcised what's he gonna do take it back and then what does he do then like i want him but the problem is they did me when i was a kid didn't even help i didn't have to crawl through thorns nothing yeah you have to crawl through thorns with your bloody dick yeah yeah and you can't win can't make any noise that's the whole point yeah and then you know react to the pain those who don't react consider desirable they pass on their genetics a generation after generation you just get this incredible are you gonna show me a video jammy how dare you i just that's what they look like with the mud on their faces i think oh boy getting ready somebody talking about it yeah fun times and then you just got to remain there all that just to run yeah one of my favorites somebody beats them that doesn't do that well it's funny you said that i said you know about a meal's at pick no oh my god he's got the greatest insurance run in my opinion to resist he's amazing so basically to this day no one's ever done what he did at the Olympics hell sinky olympics won the five thousand won the ten thousand and then turned to his coach

and he just went um i think i will run marathon tomorrow and his coaches like no no no no this is a terrible idea you should not run the marathon uh it's completely different events you know over twice as far as a meal this is a terrible uh an idea and he turns and a meal just goes mmm who is the favorite and it was a British guy so that's the British guy he's everybody thinks he's gonna win and a meal goes okay no problem what i do i will run on his shoulder and then just at the end before we get into stadium i go boop and i'll run around and i will finish and the coaches like please i mean all this is just you've got two gold medals please let's just leave it there and he goes no this documentary is amazing it then cuts to the British guy who's older and he's recounting this this entire race and he says i am running and things are going well and then i feel on my shoulder i see this this a meal just pops up on my shoulder and a meal turns and he goes i am i'm so sorry i've never run marathon before um so i don't know if it's too fast or too slow and i thought to myself you shit i'm gonna mess with you i'm gonna mess with you i turned i said no no no this is far too slow we're in trouble thinking that would break him and a meal just turned and went no problem i will see you at finish line and ran and won three gold medals hell sinky olympics the reason i tell that story as well is not many people know so he's training next time you're down an athletics

track he used to do a hundred four hundred meter sprints what yeah a sprints a day well not a day but he pioneered interval training people didn't think you could train that hard there he is wow what i love as well is how he ran he ran like he'd been shot in the leg that's not me oh he was just there he is there he is so he runs on his side ugly technique that's how i'm a cat yeah this again i think this is the marathon so this is after he's really won the five thousand and the ten thousand and here he is he is he's an agony yeah yeah so and the story goes with that as well and this is what i love so with somebody like him a hundred four hundred meter sprints but his his wife was an amazing javelin thrower as well so date night for them is they go out and his wife would just like launch the javelin and he'd go and get it like a duck and then come back i'd be like he'd go baby she'd be like thanks that's hilarious he used to run with his wife on his back through the woods and then sometimes when he wasn't able to run because it was snowing too much or conditional to allow famously he would get in the bath and just basically just tread on dirty laundry as well just to try to just wow so a meal is aspect to your point i always find it fascinating that sometimes when you talk about people who are

you know i've been training so hard i've sacrificed so much i'm like yeah that's great but i don't want to go against them meals at a pet someone who just loves it someone who just date night is running out their intervals bringing back well if you heard that race they do where it's a race until so everyone else drops out of course backyard ultras yeah but it's there can only be one one person can win oh yeah yeah that's a make it you must i think christmassy was talking about you know mutual friend about us talking about mark dowdle he was just basically like hunting and like just stalking the competition and it's called the last soul ultra yeah mark dowdle when this guy stopped like ty's she likes mark was behind him and just hunting him like prey and they had them on the night vision and they're like what is going on just mind games and so one person eventually doesn't quit exactly everybody else quits how long did they go these guys i think there's the current record i swear somebody just something like 91 hours yeah it's just it's just nuts it's just nuts i swear yeah oh my god i think it was phil damey if you find it but he recently yeah oh yeah yeah that's when he won the last all ultra 95 laps 636.5 kilometers the last soul ultra oh my god and he talks about

what i love is he talks about actually collecting their souls so in the end he's given a trinket which is got everybody sold on it and he's there like some chiborium holding it in a way he's kind of right oh they ran for 94 straight hours without sleep to win the last soul ultra 94 hours is crazy like what was he seeing what was he seeing at hour 92 how many elves did he come in contact with for sure he saw elves but for sure for sure there he is him on loop 72 oh my god and the thing about him too is he's kind of a bigger guy i believe his cross as well so he weight trains which goes back to what i was talking about before about mechanic transduction strength reserve that you're that you'd say that doesn't make sense for an ultra-intrance athlete but again i would argue that his biomechanics are just perfect and they won't break down compared to somebody who doesn't have that strength background um so the rest of the it's the there's a backyard ultra he's actually doing it at the moment i think i'm 94 hours is buddian oh that wasn't up to you from now what's up video i just played with right there they're doing it now so i think it's team america oh it's happening right now yeah on loop 54 right now

or this one two hours ago and he's just on social media just talking through everything as well loop 54 how many days ago is that just 20 hours this is right now yeah he talks about well on the first 24 hours he's just like that's just your ticket you know that just gets you in the race it's now it begins and that's after 24 hours oh my god oh my god yeah i think i know this is crazy it's not it's not i mean for me on some of my swims as well just those hallucinations like when they start like probably one of my worst was Loch Ness and that was before everything went really bad Loch Ness is basically really narrow and when you look up at night it looked like there was loads of trees but the trees almost formed a silhouette of like a cruise ship and i'm like that's really weird i'm eating a banana and i'm looking up and all of a sudden the branches start waving and to me at the time i was like it looks like people have come to the side of the cruise ship to support me so my girlfriend's watching and all the crew and i'm just there eating a banana and i'm going guys thank you so much you'll support me especially two o'clock in the morning god bless you guys thank you like that and my girlfriend's like oh he's he's talking to the trees like he's thanking them for their support oh sometimes oh he goes yeah that's when he's talking to him he's

just waiting behind him he's like what are you doing he's like what are you doing he's like what i love it's all mind games at this point anywhere i think the reason i love mark as well is because he's bringing a level of gamesmanship and mind games that that wasn't really seen in ultra-endurance right they're also supposed to be super supportive of each other exactly and i think you see another sport so yeah but you can't be super supportive if there's only going to be one person standing exactly exactly i mean one of my favorite examples in in mma was uh uh yurian pareira where they were talking about no shamanic and i'm like look whatever you were saying don't use any voodoo please don't use any magic i thought this is the greatest time in the ufc when someone's going you know i like to use magic i want to clean fight no magic it's amazing i mean on that note who do you think is the best at mind games in ufc history chalstonin chalston is really good but connor mcgregor is pretty damn good too connor mcgregor when he fought jose aldo he had jose aldo in a funk like because aldo was a legend and he was respected by everyone and connor was just continually disrespecting him and just mocking him he stole his belt famously at the press conference he was in his fucking head you know but obviously that backfired

against kabib because that shit didn't work on kabib b because that shit didn't work on kabib kabib was on top of him punching him in the face saying let's talk now let's talk now he just punched him in the face let's talk now and connor was trying to say it's only business he's like come on we're talking this is what i find so strange that if aliens came down to this world then you have to explain to them like who is the best mix martial artist you go okay so his kabib about muslim doesn't drink you know lives in the mountains and you go oh cool so that's the blueprint and you go oh well no sorry so this guy john jones over here it does coke and fucks everybody up he's like there's outliers there's outliers there's outliers you know exactly it's always like these bowjacks and characters that could do anything there's there's people out there in the world that are outliers and it's very unusual when you stumble across them it's one of the things we love watching an outlier we love watching someone's just like so unique and different than everyone else like wow you love that's like a michael jordan a tiger words or someone's just like above and beyond yeah wow they love that that was it definitely looking at like the hero's journey which is a Campbell good versus evil and with the whole daniel cormy and john jones rivalry i was like oh this is it this is amazing this is you know the good and evil and this is and then you have

something like john jones who just goes oh no that's that's not for me and boxing as well it was maywether and i loved ricky han as well so when you saw maywether they're like if it doesn't make money it doesn't make sense on the bags and then you're ricky han having a cup of tea with his grandma and you're like oh this is it that's so wholesome that's a little bit of bullshit though ricky is a fucking animal he was an animal he's a fucking animal he's a fucking animal he's a fucking animal separated a lot of people from their consciousness he was an animal that was just a skill thing right if you tell me a good one they're teaching kids wrestling and you're like oh this is amazing and then yeah yeah well you know john's not a bad guy he's just an animal i mean he's cut from a different cloth you know there's there's people in this world that are just wilder you know and it's one of the reasons why he's so good there's a certain element if you want to be a professional cage fighter you have there's a certain amount of you have to have all these to be the goat like john you have to have all these things like perfect technique incredible work ethic when he does work amazing talent and an IQ for it it's that's a really underrated factor as john knows what to do with each famously will not take a fight on short notice even with a guy like shale sunning who on paper you can wake john up at three o'clock in the morning he's gonna fuck

chills on an up on paper no disrespect to chale he's a great fighter but there's levels and i think john is just on a complete and he's a larger man right chale did his own his best work almost won the title against Anderson so that 185 john is never making 185 he's a much bigger man and john would not take a fight with chills on an untoward notice and then when he did take a fight with chills on and he fucked him up in the first round he just annihilated him people with a bad while he smashed his toe in the process he was pushing off the ground so hard that he twisted his own fucking toe around i think we isolated it in a replay well we could see the moment where his toe snapped and it was because he was delivering ground in pound with such force that as he was pushing off he snapped his own toe and turned it around oh and to this day when he fights he has to take those toes together to this day well my favorite john is the uh the on bar with lethal beltful oh yeah yeah completely hyperextended oh but it's another example of like guys won't tap if you break their arm you know they will hang on and then he wound up winning that fight by kimura in the next round yeah he got through that where most people would have tapped his arm was fucked and he couldn't fight for a long time after that because he had to rehabilitate that arm his arm was fucked yeah going back to the

look at that i mean that is and also that's v-tor who was a brazilian jutsu black belt on the cross and gracy elite arm bar and then he wound up tapping v-tor in the next round even with his flight with the gust of sin as well it just like going back to the anterior mission get a cool thanks it just must be massive in him for 50 years Canadians have wondered what the names of ikea furniture mean like natopa the guardrail for children's beds natopa means giving your favorite person room to grow it means their safety and your piece of no in swedish natopa means night monkey mom he's back ikea 50 years of swedishness at home he's wearing middle pet yamas so cute who do you think i mean there's obviously gachie who do you think he's one of the most durable one of the most gachie's probably the most durable guy ever which is like incredible that max halloween knocked him out like that but other guys had stopped him before too but that's just a part of being a human being if you're a human being and you get hit by the greatest fighters in the world you get stopped it's just how it is it's just like there's if you get hit clean no matter who you are some guys are more durable than other guys but no matter who you are

somebody head kicks you or somebody hits you with a wheel kick or something like that you're most likely gonna go unconscious or close to it yeah that's just a part of the game a flying knee very few people can survive that it's just it's like one of those things where you get hit and you just step did you see the fight this weekend or two weekends ago rather with Johnny Walker with the yeah Johnny Walker hit this dude with a knee from the tie clinch and heavyweight yeah and just separated him from his consciousness like and this guy's a massive 265 pound man that he did it to and just proves my point it's like no matter who you are there's certain things if you could hit with them you just can't take it you just can't take it and with you know the max halloween fight with Justin that was in a five-round war he'd been beaten up because he got hit with a jump spinning back kick to the face at the end of the first round Shatter his nose so his nose bone was broken so he's compromised from the end of the first round on and then max is hitting him with all these shots and then finally in the fifth round in a fight that max is winning max points to the ground and says let's just stand and throw and they just wail on each other and max famously knocks him out like one of the greatest but that's not indicative of how durable he is it's like most people would have never

made it to that fifth round he's insanely durable and that's why you saw that fight with Ilya Taporia he weathered that second round came back strong in the third he's insanely durable like maybe the most durable guy in this war and the most calm under fire like he never it never changes his expression he never looks lost even when he's getting hurt he never looks out of it he just looks hurt but he's always like like he went back to his corner after the second round with Taporia Taporia dropped him with a liver shot he goes nice liver shot he said nice liver shot he got with a nice body shot he was like complimenting his opponent for hitting him in a good spot he was like that calm like that was nice nice liver shot he's almost like I mean he was after pick it's genuine you've seen it he's having the best time uh-huh I'm just like oh you're wired different he's wired different he's wired very different he's wired very different he's very smart he's a smart meathead like people think of him as being a dumbass because he's like silly and he does back flips and uh-uh he's thought it out like he's he knows what he's doing like he's he's doing things that are very intelligent in there and he has a bunch of things that he does that he does better than anybody else and one of them is the uppercut from the collar tie he does this collar tie uppercut he hits everybody with it because

he's a really good wrestler even though he doesn't use his wrestling in MMA he started out as a wrestler and he's a very good athlete and he's got this collar tie uppercut that he catches everybody with and he pulls you into that uppercut man he fucks a lot of guys up with that that's one of his signature moves but you spoke about it as well with his wrestling in the past I think this is so interesting going back to what we said about the the ventral striades and the part of the brain that when things aren't going well it almost implodes like losing feels so so bad but I think wrestlers are just used to just getting beaten up beaten up yeah one of the best examples on the swim I have a friend who's in the special forces um I was just every single tied every single swim I was just behind I was behind it was just again like I said just biochemically neuroscience I was just imploding and he turned to me and this really helped to sort of change my perspective on things he said Ross in the special forces we're not seeing how well you can win we're seeing how well you can lose time and time again I said what do you mean because there's one particular exercise that we did basically you're on the assault bike heart rate over 180 and they're checking heart rate monitor so you are redlining coughing up a long breathing they get you off the assault bike they take you into a room there's a guy there who's like six foot six just huge and then there's a door behind him and they say okay you need to get past him behind that door your friends your platoon regimen are over the other side of the door so they just

run in this guy six foot six is there just holding you and there's a guy with a clipboard in the corner go with clipboard gives a nod bang knocks and clean out he's out cold the next thing he knows he's being brought back around with smelling salts and he gets up like that and there's any space going do you want to quit do you want to quit my friend at times just like no no I'm good and they said they let him up he goes again starts wrestling this massive six foot six wait for the signal go with clipboard nods bang not down again that it's three times brought them back round and then and then they go okay you pass you pass what was interesting is my friend said one guy actually made it past and got to the door only to find it with voltage shot you were never going to win like ever but that's not what they were testing they were testing your ability to lose time and time again oh that's terrible for you but that idea of the sheer adversity the idea is interesting however concussions repeated concussions can change a person's life for sure yeah you knock a guy off a big giant guy knocks you out three times that's a terrible idea for sure you sure they was punching him who's punching him in the face the way that the story was told to me yeah i know that i mean there's some bruises selection some of my friends and special forces some of the stories of that selection i'm like that is brutal but then you you realize that's why they're mentally

bulletproof do you know who mr bolliness on youtube no really interesting guy i just got a great youtube channel where he tells all these crazy spooky mystery stories but he's navy seal and form an navy seal and one of the things he said about what the people that make it through buds two people that do really well two groups of people one of them is wrestlers because they're just mentally tough they're like they're they're training and constantly being dehydrated and tired and just pushing and and taking satisfaction being the most miserable that's one of the things that wrestlers do they take satisfaction suffering the most they do really well and then water polo players and then i was like wow why water polo and then i didn't know that water polo players never touch the ground they're constantly treading water while they're playing that fucking game well you have to be an insane shape to be in water polo i never would have found water polo i know that was my background by the way i did it here so i played England school boys all the way through to international well that makes sense no no i loved it you brought that up because it's absolutely true i guess there's a famous very famous match it was basically blood in the water and it was the Hungarians versus the Soviets and they were at war so they were actually at war the Hungarians were training under gunfire bombs going

off and everything they then drew each other i can't remember them it might have been the Melbourne Olympics i believe in the semi-finals they drew each other there's famous pictures where basically the water just went red blood in the water that's what it's called the match and they just go at it um so they were at war with each other in real life yeah and then the Hungarians were war with the Russians and then they went to war in volleyball in water polo they got put against each other and they just go at it it's not i mean even like you can't see but under my tongue it's all a little bit of a mess under there because i remember i was playing water polo and we were in the south of France i come over the top like that and as i do i catch an elbow and i just like bite down my tongue must have been out and so it cut my tongue in half and then i remember you then have to defend kind of like basketball constantly back and forth like it's that quick why you got a mouthful blood at oh there we go yeah blood in the water yeah so they're just fighting each other yeah i think hungry one i believe four-nil you have to be in insane shape yeah to do that that game they're trained i always found this interesting because i made the england's warboy sword um at 13 and i was playing against under 18 so i was i was the wrong side of puberty and i was just like playing against these

just like men who were trained in like water jujitsu so i would throw a punch and then i'd just be under the water water water you fight all the time in that all the time so it's like hockey it's exactly yeah it's exactly in the water it's exactly that yeah yeah so one guy's got a living in a favorite sport are they still out of fight yeah yeah if you put on youtube just put underwater fights war fight just put it on and they'll have cameras at the limit and it's absolutely i mean also in the lipics currently you still out of fight for sure yeah i mean look some of the women are fighting the olympics in hockey oh i don't know that's weak that's weak we saw us that's part of the game i mean i come at boxing you're boxing in the olympics you want to let people fight in hockey that's what that's why i agreed but yeah so back to my time i come over the top would you say jay strictly prohibited in olympics strictly certainly not in water but he's still there's still good after the women's games west is obviously got more of a suit to grab hold of as well oh under pull and boobs out there i don't know but i yeah come over the top bang take basically and it splits my tongue in half and i remember i then sprinted back to defend because i've got a Ross defend defend so i sprint all the way back and you can imagine now blood is just pumping around my body my heart is going

nuts and i stop and there's just blood everywhere like the whole water is just turned red around me but i don't notice i think it's somebody else like a guy's got to stop someone's been here and then i look and everyone in the stands is looking at me and as they did i remember it's almost like you know you got like toffee or something in your mouth stuck in your teeth well that was my tongue so i was like i was like trying to spit whatever it was out and then i looked and it was just laughing and they were like and i got they sewed it up that's why it's a mess underneath how long does that take to heal well weirdly the tongue heals really quickly yeah so it wasn't wasn't too long i was good in about a week yeah wow that's pretty bad but it's the same in Malta as well so it's a huge in Malta but out there they will just put gold in the middle of the sea and just start playing so we got and if you're in gold and jellyfish come over that is that is just part of the warrior people let me see uh water polo five it's not that exciting it's tough to see we have to curate i mean it's a fine good one it's really small i would be nice moving very slowly because it's underwater right let me see oh it's slow mo also they're showing these guys hitting each

other in slow mo it's really hard to catch it i think as fast movements happening because it's just the amount of endurance that you have to have to play a game like this how long are your periods like how long it's four four four four four four four four minute courses four five minutes so for four minutes you're treading water and sprinting it's weird you're exactly right it's swimming mix with bjj well people it's swimming mix with like you've been hungry or amazing i'm smacking each other the facing when i guess choking that guy oh they literally hold on to each other then they swing oh this is crazy oh my god this is crazy it's pretty standard this is just yeah even at local competition that's pretty standard i wonder why these guys made good seals yeah yeah it's you're literally drown proofing yourself like there's sometimes when i'm caught in an arctic storm i'm like it's not as bad as playing hungry like in the meantime i was i was so close to drowning it was nice crazy yeah and i think especially as well i was always so young instead i made the under 18 England swab was seen when i was 13 so i was the wrong side of puberty and we were playing against Malta at the time and they were just like big like beers playing it's hungry

and i just learned very quickly to be comfortable being uncomfortable you know that that just engaged you stress inoculation training and then it seems when i swim now and they're like Ross is an arctic storm i go oh god i still got my tongue it's not too bad you know we were talking about Carlos protest and that video that i was watching about the fighting nerds about how the guy like emulates animals and stuff one of the things that they were talking about is how Carlos had a losing record early in his career he's like or close to his like five wins four losses or something like that it wasn't doing well the first nine fights in his career and then he decides to go to Thailand and he flies to Thailand and the only way to make any money in Thailand is you have to fight so he wants to fight like every week so he fights like six times in a month and he's like fighting constantly but because of that constant fighting then he gets like really accustomed and calm fighting he has over a hundred moy Thai fights so he's fighting all the time and it just becomes relaxed to him and so when you see him fight he's always smiling and having fun in there it's because he's watched so many times that he's sort of that fear of whatever that experience is like for most people's like this daunting thing they lock the cage door holy shit this guy is smoking cigarettes the week of the fight smoking cigarettes

the day of the fight drinking partying just dead relaxed when he gets in there and fucking everybody literally world-class fighters like Jack De La Madelina who was the former world champion beat the fuck out of him at his in his home country of Australia just beats his ass in a like ferocious way where you're watching like wow like the level the gap between them is so vast and he's just essentially a product of that of just like being in the fire for so long you just get forged like constantly fighting see I love that that goes back to like the ancient so exepictators famously I love this term he said getting winter he said that wars were fought in the summer but what you do in the winter has a profound impact on how well prepared you be so they would just be doing a cold hard winter the Spartans as well famously would be given essentially a loincloth and just been told to endure the winter to fight you know for your food you know so you just create these crazy warriors and I think now we're getting modern versions I think the closest you know I'm mutual friend Liam Harrison but he's just he's wired different you know yeah I told him he fights like he has rabies absolutely that's the best way to fight like he's like a little demon but what

about Liam is like if anyone's ever spent any time around him and he won't mind me saying this but he's like vibrating he's definitely got ADHD but now there's so many studies with fighters saying those with ADHD actually process things so much quicker I don't even believe in ADHD no I don't think it's a disorder I think it's a superpower I think we are conditioning children to sit in a classroom and do something that's insanely boring and some people can endure it and God bless them and some people are not designed for it and I'm one of them and I don't think ADHD is a problem at all oh I think I think it's a superpower I think it gives you the ability to concentrate on things that you love to an extent that most people cannot fathom oh you can obsess at things I could play pool for 10 hours a row and I don't eat I just drink coffee and play pool and I don't have any problem with that and everybody else wants to quit I want to keep coming forever I that's ADHD yeah I see it in other people that are great at things Gordon Ryan for sure he's got it he fucking trains 365 days a year it's both things it's disciplined but it's also this obsession that comes from if you were in school they would say you have a disorder or something wrong with you why can't you sit down do this boring shit all day well because I don't like that but if you sit those kids down in front

of a computer and let them play video games look at all the concentration they have look at all the focus they have look at how locked in they are and what they're doing I don't believe in it I believe it's a thing I don't believe it's a disorder and by the way I'm not unsympathetic to the varying degrees that people suffer from all sorts of disorders I think for some people it probably is some sort of a real genuine issue right where they can't focus it and it's not something they can concentrate on other things that they love they're just constantly scattered I'm not talking about that I think it's entirely over diagnosed and I think there's a lot of people that are just people that are just not wired to follow the standard norm of what I think is a very boring structure of most schoolwork and most most school like most of what you have to endure when you're a young kid is sitting down when you have the most energy you just woke up okay you you're fully rested you ate breakfast it's probably filled with sugar and you're just fucking piping you're sitting in that chair going Jesus Christ I don't give a fuck about Hitler why am I in this class we're in World War Two I'm 10 I want to go outside I want to play ball I want to run around with my friends I want to do fun things this sucks and they'll tell you you need to get on riddle and you know they'll say Billy can't concentrate

Billy doesn't know how to count I complete because I think to that point exactly friends of mine are saying like Ross you have you definitely traits of A and again I'm the same as you I don't like that term because I was just saying my dopamine works a little bit differently and what I mean by that sometimes as well it's even understanding the sort of biochemistry on 400 milligrams of caffeine and then maybe like cognizant for acetylcholine as well so I'm putting cognizant it basically is a supplement a neutropic that will positively interact with acetylcholine which is a neurotransmitter that is less jacked up you're just kind of dialed in and focused that and alpha gpc if I take that combination I am just dialed in and just swimming every single stroke I'm just like oh good hi elbow good and so are you constantly filling up in that stuff are you like replenishing your stark or just as you're swimming yeah alpha gpc you I know who bummer talks about you have to cycle that so that I will but certainly with caffeine cognizant I'll be having that pretty much on most swims alpha gpc you have to cycle in terms of like how often can you take it who bummer talks about every two days and in three days oh I think that's what yeah you can build up a very quick tolerance to interesting two days and then three days off but this other stuff cognizant you said so what is in that so that's

the ingredient that's the neutral thing I'm hoping this right so it is an actual it's not a combination no no no and that affects acetylcholine which is a little bit easier to afford there just focus you ever take acetylcholine by itself no so that's the neurosophanic or alpha gpc do you ever take that alpha gpc yeah alpha gpc yeah there you go so so patented branded form of citicoline a natural brain nutrient and neutropic ingredient using dietary supplements energy drinks and functional beverages I like that term functional beverages isn't everything beverage functional you know you're getting hydrated getting caffeinated but is it functional but would you do that as well whether you're training or darlin on something you'll know how your brain runs you'll say yes yeah you know what really helps me is creatine creatine is a big one and I only become aware of that over the last I don't know a few years or so that how much of an effect it has on mental focus and one of the things that they've shown is people with sleep deprivation that when you have we're sleep deprived when you take I think it's 10 or 20 milligrams it's a lot right yeah 20 the 20 grams is it so whatever it is I believe it's 20 grams or above whatever it is whatever the number is whatever the number is so we can help

it severely mitigates the negative aspects of sleep deprivation in terms of cognitive function memory all those different things and I find that you know I've done a bunch of podcasts where you know like I said I play pool I have a real problem and sometimes I'll come home from the comedy club and it'll be you know midnight and I'm wired from you know hanging out in 25 30 grams for many adults the most strongest acute study is large okay not a normal daily maintenance dose okay so so if you're tired take 25 to 30 grams and then that's the response and normally I take 10 or 20 that's my normal and that's a cognitively then you'll be back to baseline uh allegedly it's hard to know you know I mean we all vary daily I have days where I come in and I'm like oh I'm firing today and then other days where I'm like I can't even remember words like how the fuck am I doing this for a living yeah you know your brain is very it's it's like the fucking earth's temperature it's like a fluctuation on that is exactly and something on my longest one now creating I actually didn't do that during the ucon swim so weirdly there's just a part of me that does want to go back just to actually trial that because towards the end of the ucon swim I was in pieces so I would love to see if I could actually you know supplement to go that much further and I think creating was one

that would love to add to the arsenal so here's what Jamie just pulled up it says it's part of the study 15 test subjects were kept awake overnight and then to solve cognitive tasks during this time sleep deprivation tends to change leads rather to changes in brain metabolism to promote the cellular uptake of creatine beforehand the test subjects have received a high single dose of creatine important metabolic product that is found in food and can also be produced by the body itself three hours after taking the creatine a positive effect on the brain metabolism and cognitive performance of the test subjects could already be observed the effect reaches peak after four hours and lasted up to nine hours in particular the improvements in processing capacity and short-term memory we're seeing the results suggested that a single but high dose of creatine enhances thinking capacity and causes changing changes rather in the brain's energy reserves during sleep deprivation I wonder what it does if you're not sleep deprived like what if your kid take your ACTs or something like that like what would that do for you that is interesting because I think that's the next one as well like I think we've known small test subject right but it's still if you get a significant result from 15 people and you can measure the changes I'd like to see it on a large study but it's interesting what

a lot of the athletes using now in your seats otherwise creatine is for sure one of them but the issue with creatine is also it helps you put a mass on and a lot of these guys are trying to lose weight so I don't know what they're doing in terms of like there's some guys that are extreme weight cutters there's guys that are cutting you know 20 pounds 30 pounds the week of the fight it's really and rehydrating to a ridiculous extent like before the fight like Alex Pereira is the greatest example Alex would gain 40 pounds when he was fighting at 185 pounds so he's fighting at 185 and he would weigh in on fight day at 225 to 26 which is nuts yeah I always love rok with the cow he's going in very straight so it's also saying don't take that much right don't take that much even once it says oh even once it's bad because it's a good chemistry it says for the time being however it's not advisable for people to take such a high dose of creatine at home at home as high doses of the substance put a heavy strain on the kidneys and cause health risks I wonder if you can mitigate that strain by hyper um so it's temporary too it's temporary yeah for sure it says four hours but oh what's temporary the the gain of cognitive effects well for the large dose right for sleep

to pry people that's just seems risky oh yeah definitely yeah I mean I don't think but I think one dose is probably akin to one night of drinking like I don't think it's that bad I think I think the real problem is you can't take that amount every day like what is I know people that take 20 grams a day though there's so many people that are just red lining and the thing is it's like their their biology might be different than your biology you know some people like they don't have a problem drinking every day like Shane Gillis can just drink every day he's you guys liver test that he's fine and we were all like what on the clock like I said for future swims I think you know certainly a 41 years old I'm kind of as fit as I'm gonna be you know is that's this is the new frontier for me yeah you know looking at new tropics and I know where I've been hypoxia training too you think that could add yeah yeah yeah I'd really do I think it just raises your capacity I think it changes the red blood cell count in your body yeah yeah it's like EPO does right aggregation of marginal gains now I'm just at a point where I'm like where can I just get like 1% here they are using sauna regularly no it's often I should be yeah that should be a daily for you think I'm even doing my own there as well well yeah you can I mean that's one of the aspects of the exalt chamber so

they do two different types of training in it one type of training is high altitude the other type is high heat so I'll do sessions in there at 100 degrees and so yeah and so but it's not high altitude it's like it's regular altitude it's kind of productive to do the two of them together yeah because he's blood plants who are smart the thing you're doing is when you are at high altitude your heartbeat is naturally lower it's difficult to get your heart beat that high because there's not no oxygen in the air when you're at high heat your heart rate is high immediately like one of the things that I do I'll do back work I do heavy backgrounds and then after the rounds I jump right into the sauna so I go from being exhausted I get myself just so I'm not dying so I could breathe normal like with the end of the rounds I'm usually like really breathing heavy I drink some electrolytes I always bring a big 64 ounce jug of water with ice and electrolytes in it and then I go in 196 degrees and I sit in there for 20-25 minutes and I wear one of those straps one of those heart rate monitors and my ship will be at like 147-148 the entire time I'm sitting there because I never

it never got to go down so it's jacked up from the workout right and then I go right in and I might be at 100 when I step in there and it goes right back up right back up so like 10-15 minutes in there I'm just sitting there and I'm at one especially when I start doing heavy stretches which is why I do a lot of I find that you can do stretches when you're in that 195 degree 196 degree heat that you're just not going to be able to pull off and so I force my tissue to force it into position and hold it and that really jacks your heart rate up then I'll get into the 150s I love to want a bit of attention as well like now there's so many good meta studies on studies of lots of studies of ultra-injurant athletes but some of the best now these aren't guys just like hanging in there these guys are winning between 35 up to 50 you know there's like mentally old guys and old women who are just amazing the only thing that's meant although like your mind gets harder as you get older this is exactly what I was about to jump on so I think there's a few things one is capillary density and mitre's contral efficiency that you only get after like years and years and years so it's like when you're younger, VO2, lactic threshold, elasticity of tendons, all of those things absolutely are better when you're younger and that's why you see so many hundred meter you know champions and sprinters

they're always younger but now I think all of those things that you're talking about now heat adaptation hyperactive everything like that and hypoxic chamber sorry everything like that is just trying to create I think now a new generation of older athletes we've even seen it 39 years old Alex Brere yes you're a Mero 49 yeah yeah but he is what he's off the charts he makes no answer to that an outlier he's an outlier he's an outlier he's another guy he is yeah he's so unusual and when you look at him he doesn't seem like he's aging it's insane you know and he still moves like a cat at 49 years old did you see his bare knuckle fight that he had with Darren Till? crazy not Darren Till down arguably he could have won that fight you know it was a very close fight but arguably he could have given it to a lot of people online thought you'll have won that fight 49 yeah I think we're seen across the board now as well like kick chokey won the very recent marathon because it melded in a car that you got messy you got ran out they messes only just retired ran out though Lebron I think Lebron makes no sense because everything that I just described there you're proportion of fast switch fibers reduces as you get older elasticity of tendons yeah so I understand if you're messy who's just amazing his vision of the game and everything you can sit there in the field just spraying the ball

but Lebron makes no sense well Lebron is meticulous in his rehabilitation meticulous he spends incredible amounts on like famously spends millions of dollars just in rehabilitating his body every year on massage you know different therapies and he's doing everything and I'm sure he's I don't know what the rules are in the NBA with peptides and all that other jazz but I'm sure he's on all that too right I mean if he's not I'd be stunned like why wouldn't you be that's crazy you know why wouldn't you be on BBC 157 and 2B 500 and he's and if you're allowed to be she'd definitely be on testosterone and definitely some sort of human growth hormone either something that pumps it up like Somorlin which like naturally makes your body produce more testosterone or more human growth hormone something that allows us body to regenerate tissue and heal quicker that he has to be on something I mean I would imagine otherwise it's crazy that he could perform because one of the things that we talk about a lot or I talk about a lot with Cyril Gahn who's the OC heavyweight champion is that Cyril has a bag running basketball and I think that's a factor because I think his movement his ability to move his it's like basketball you're doing plyometrics all the time that's either being what's the rules synthetic

and growth hormone releasing peptides are banned in the NBA are they testing them what is banned growth hormone releasing peptides growth hormone uh sec credit gogs how you said that word secreting gogs secreted gogs and other synthetic compounds designed to stimulate growth hormone or enhance recovery are strictly prohibited but what about uh BBC 157 it was weird because it was allowed by water and then it was banned it should be allowed all it does is regenerate tissue or rather heal tissue it's banned band the NBA is classified as an unapproved substance on the world anti-doping prohibited list and follows broader anti-doping policies against unapproved peptides and experimental drugs listen man there's zero studies that show there's any negative effects of BBC 157 and there's a lot of at least anecdotal evidence first and foremost that it's very beneficial for people recovering from injuries but then there's other also studies that indicate that it really is helpful for people so someone was suspended no I was looking at something because last year this player is on the Lakers look at Don Sutra famously I heard right before the playoffs started and he went to Spain to get treated and did not get better and what that treatment was was not really publicly talked about people

were saying you know get them on stem cells get on BBC 157 right back in the getting back so we can play I don't know if they are doing it they have to take time off so they can hide you know from right sort of like Connor did when he broke his leg right he got out of the doping pool right yeah and then got jerked and make a focus jacked became wolverine that's super jag look like you all slightly weighed 220 pounds f***ing jacked I don't know if you got that big point is like I think at least peptides that help injuries listen you're dealing with sport where your primary goal is to create an injury on your opponent and you're practicing injuring each other all day long you're gonna get injuries anything that would help these athletes get to the finish line like get to the cage in reasonable health because they're always banged up like whenever you see even at a world championship level we see a guy looks awesome guarantee that guy's dealing with some shit guarantee that guy's got a sore hand fucked up shoulders knee hurts something's wrong there's no way you get through a 12 week camp with a bunch of f***ing trained assassins and you don't get banged up you're getting banged up and BBC 157 would help those people but they're also doing there's a lot of stuff these guys are doing now a lot of guys are invested in hyperbaric chambers they're doing a lot of hyperbaric therapy

which really does accelerate healing from injuries and just general just general overall recovery from just life itself it's incredible they were amazing for me like we were talking out earlier when I tore most of the tenders in my rotator cuff that was after the ucon and the doctor was like how how did you not know and I was like well I had hypothermia and I was trying to dodge bears I had other stuff on my mind at the time the last of the doctor I'd be so pumped to talk to you I'm like whoa this is an interesting study right right like what did you say but it was mused stem cells were made and then hyperbaric red light therapy I did everything and that got me back to the start line ready for Iceland and I think without it I might have needed them reattached with surgery so that's how could they work for me yeah it's extraordinary what they can do now and it keeps getting better and you know in this country there's this battle between the pharmaceutical drug companies that want to they want to patent these peptides and they want to profit off of them and then there's also a lot of people who don't want people taking these therapies because it will cost them money in terms of the amount of orthopedic surgeries they get that's a real thing and they have influence and there's it's a real problem and unfortunately people are willing to

sacrifice the greater health and recovery of the entire population for their own personal game and that's dark but accurate I agree yeah and if we were really smart we would be investing incredible amount of money into studying these things and there's not just that they're helping people with neurological conditions they're helping people recover from like Parkinson's syndrome or Parkinson's symptoms you know they're doing them intranasily for people that have lung disorders like there's a lot of like really good work that's being done with stem cells doesn't mean they all are the same they all work right now there's like they're shady places this is also part of the problem like if you're traveling to some god forsaken part of the world to go do this therapy because it's not legal in America okay well you got to be real careful where you're going you some places like the CPI which is in Tijuana it's very ethical and they do everything really great but there's other places where I've heard people get infected they have like horrible disease you know they get staff infections and wind up almost paralyzed a lot of fuck up things can happen when you're doing this stuff if you don't go to a good place yeah but it the bottom line is though that's a problem with all medical interventions that's a problem with surgery that's a problem like it's

big one of the main killers in this country we talked about this recently it's like the number three killer in this country is medical mishaps like it is either misdiagnosis or bad treatment or some sort of a mistake that someone makes it's a problem you know so it's like human beings are very vulnerable and you know so it's not a cure all but it is a very promising therapy and for people that have had incredible results and I'm one of them from stem cells like I'm screaming from the rooftops like hey let's not just throw the baby out with the bathwater with this stuff this should be you should we could help a lot of folks have a lot of like real serious problems with this shit that's what they said to me they were like Russ you know this would have been a death sentence in your career you know you just swam around great Britain you're just done you're good you're done you know whereas it's amazing now I've seen it that it's just managed to extend my career you know and just also for people that aren't professional athletes just extend your health like so many people that have had like these injuries like a good friend of mine had a knee problem and you know he's not an athlete he's just like I run his knee was in pain all the time I brought him into waist well he got a shot his knee this was two years ago and he's like I run all

the time it never bothers me now like that's nuts man that didn't exist before I agreed that didn't exist I agreed and I think this is just the beginning I think we're at the beginning of this stuff they keep coming out with new innovations and new therapies they're even more effective new stem cells being one of the greatest ones that's more recent I agree that needs more studies more stuff more this is going to help a lot of fucking people man and you know we have to be really careful as to what influence we're receiving as to why this is a bad thing you know I think there's a real problem in this country in particular because this country is like so ate up with money you know money influences so many narratives in this country it just storts reality and you're looking at everything through a funhouse mirror lens you know it's hard to tell what's what what's good for you what's bad for what should be recommended what should be never taken you know my hospital visit on that note was so bad at the end the rotates customers also like that was a food it's pretty good actually in Canada and you can't get the blue meat and blue meat pancakes yeah yeah a jerky as well really that's incredible yeah it was a fucking a canada yeah that's awesome indeed America you fucking fruit loops no no fruit loops recover it was amazing but we

yeah I'm gonna apologize now for this story but basically during the econ swim I had a especially made wetsuit so because I can't touch about no one can touch me I can't touch land go into the toilet was obviously problematic oh boy right right so you have like one of them hatches up the back is exactly it yeah we had a pool flatmate like this is it yeah a poof like mates we had a poof like made on the suit it worked in training and we then we took it on the swim to this day I think we were honestly about six hours into what was a 60-hour swim six hours in I didn't even think about pooping yeah you don't know do you that's what the whole expedition will come unstuck because of that we're six hours in to this day I still don't know if the poof flat was in the wrong place or my bumhole is in the wrong place but I end up going to the toilet and it doesn't work like what was meant to clear the wetsuit doesn't clear the wetsuit so it's filling your suit up a poop exactly that yeah I'm then faced with a decision and this goes back to what we were talking about your anterior mid-singular cortex in that moment pain versus purpose grit or quit I'm like Ross if you quit you are going to be known as the guy who sold himself and gave up in the eukon or do you zip it up and just and keep going so I zip it up I kept going oh just swimming your armpit but it's even worse it was a black wetsuit it was

essentially just baking you know like a slow cooker oh none of it got out all of those in there um I would say 90 percent remained nice but could you reach in and grab it as a swim and clean out the no no no no no there was no reaching I'm so sorry I'm so sorry so anyway yeah at the end of the swim when they're taking me to hospital I turned to everybody and I'll just go you know guys and again the people in Canada the team that we had are amazing they're from the eukon you know they kill bears they gut wolves they've seen everything and they're like Ross don't you worry and I said no guys I'm gonna apologize now I saw myself in my wetsuit it's been baking for what it's been 55 hours they cut me out of my wetsuit they cut me out they go Ross don't worry we're here we're a brotherhood we've been doing it they did they did they went and they fought so I'm left there with a flannel we're just covering myself oh you just baked pool yeah yeah so like I said that when they said how did you not realize you torn your attention right back I was like because I saw it myself because bears and wolves were after me that's very reasonable explanation for why you didn't notice that you were in pain I was on a staff in any way 100% of the process of pro septus septus who knows what that does to you

that's gonna be terrible you're scratching yourself and then just pull over your butt oh the inside of your legs oh I don't know I hope so I hope I'll be as strong as you no one knows until you do it right well I think that's one of the things that the kind of events that you participate in really genuinely does like it changes people's expectations of what's physically and humanly possible and they all they all have to look at themselves and and say okay maybe I can do more than I think I can and I think even though these are like streams and I think most people are not gonna swim for 60 hours what they're gonna get out of that is this understanding that you're capable of so much more than you think you are and just raising of expectations or at least raising of the limits of the possible what is possible and I think that alone it's like a great benefit to people I'm so glad you said that that's exactly what I say when I say I don't recommend my lifestyle to anyone you know it's a terrible lifestyle but I say that that's not my purpose I don't think my purpose is people to get them to shift their barometer their own personal barometer just one degree yes they think they're capable of yes if that's what I managed to do then you know I will continue to sort myself in my way

I think you have done that I think you have done that so congratulations and continue on sir thank you very much brother it's really good to see you thank you thank you always good to see you you're a freak one of a kind man I appreciate you very much thank you it was in my way oh like it was good thank you man you brought it give you crushed fun more than me I was trying I'm fun thank you thank you thank you