Behavioral Grooves Podcast

Fear at work isn’t obvious, but it is powerful. In this episode, Tom Rieger explains how fear of loss drives silos, misalignment, and inefficiency, and why AI and remote work may be making things worse, instead of better. Topics [0:00] Introduction and Speed Round with Tom Rieger [8:43] The Impact of Fear on Organizations [16:26] Behavioral Economics and Organizational Fear [23:39] The Role of AI in Organizational Fear [31:25] The Challenge of Breaking Status Quo [37:50] Advice to Managers and Leaders [39:59] Desert Island Music [43:24] Grooving Session: Breaking Fear Down ©2026 Behavioral Grooves Links About Tom Breaking the Fear Barrier by Tom Rieger Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Support Behavioral Grooves Music Links Andrés Segovia - Leyenda by Albeniz Boston - More Than a Feeling

Should influence be about getting to “yes”? With Brian Ahearn, we explore a more ethical approach where persuasion is a responsibility, humility drives leadership, and real impact comes from helping others make better decisions. Topics [0:00] Intro and Speed Round with Brian Ahearn [8:10] The Line Between Influence and Manipulation [12:25] Why Intent Matters in Persuasion [16:40] Aligning Influence with Personal Values [21:05] The Role of Humility in Leadership [25:30] Emotional Reactions and Decision-Making [30:15] Influencing Hearts vs Minds [35:40] Small Actions, Identity, and the Consistency Principle [42:41] Desert Island Music [50:31] Grooving Session: Helping People Decide Better ©2026 Behavioral Grooves Links About Brian Influence People Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Support Behavioral Grooves Music Links Johnny Cash - The Man Comes Around Frank Sinatra - The Way You Look Tonight  

What if the key to growth isn’t finding better answers, but asking better questions? In our April throwback episode, we revisit our conversation with Elizabeth Weingarten on her book How to Fall in Love with Questions, where we explore how embracing uncertainty can lead to greater self-awareness, resilience, and connection. Through practice and mindset shifts, Elizabeth tells us all the ways questions can lead to clarity and confidence. Elizabeth's book is available on paperback starting 4/15/26. If you're interested in learning more, grab your copy today!  ©2026 Behavioral Grooves Topics [0:00] Intro and Speed Round with Elizabeth Weingarten [11:04] The Power of Loving Questions [15:50] The Biological Need for Certainty [21:48] The Role of Patience in Asking Questions [39:18] Questions and the Role of Behavioral Science [47:57] Desert Island Music [50:38] Grooving Session: The Value of Sitting With Questions ©2025 Behavioral Grooves Links More About Elizabeth Better Life Lab How to Fall in Love with Questions Torch Leadership Join the Behavioral Grooves community Music Links Steely Dan - Do It Again Chapell Roan - Pink Pony Club  

Marcus Buckingham joins us to challenge the belief that success comes from doing what you’re good at. Using decades of research, he argues that what truly drives performance and fulfillment is something else entirely: love. In this episode, we explore why most workplace strategies miss the mark and how focusing on what gives you energy can reshape the way you think about work, and maybe even life. Topics [0:00] Introduction and Speed Round with Marcus Buckingham [11:17] The Science of Excellence [17:53] The Importance of Love in Business [22:04] Experiences → Behaviors → Outcomes [32:03] The Myth of Linear Improvement [40:25] The Five Feelings of Love [1:00:49] Red Threads and Experience Intelligence [1:08:18] The Role of AI in Designing Love [1:11:30] Why You Shouldn’t Go to a Coldplay Concert [1:18:43] Disney’s Approach to Experience Design [1:30:19] Grooving Session: The Power of Love in Work ©2026 Behavioral Grooves Links About Marcus The Buckingham Institute  Design Love In by Marcus Buckingham Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Support Behavioral Grooves Musical Links Coldplay - Fix You Coldplay - Violet Hill (Live)

What does it mean to truly “click” with someone—and why does it matter so much at work? With researcher Maya Rossignac-Milon, we explore the science of shared reality and how authentic, off-script interactions lead to stronger relationships, greater meaning, and better performance. This episode reframes connection not as a bonus, but as a core driver of success. Topics [0:00] Intro and Speed Round with Maya Rossignac-Milon [10:11] Defining Shared Reality [14:43] Reality and Work Performance [19:22] How Shared Reality Can Help You Achieve Your Goals [24:28] Research and Collaboration [27:41] The Benefits of Riffing [37:29] Shared Reality and Romantic Partners [42:32] Fighting a Culture of Individualism [50:20] Desert Island Music [54:20] Grooving Session: Finding Alignment and Making Connections ©2026 Behavioral Grooves Links About Maya Measuring Shared Reality Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Support Behavioral Grooves Music Links Gunnar Haslam - Kenosha Basic Channel - Phylyps Trak  

Are nudges enough to change behavior at scale? Nick Chater argues they’re not. In this episode, we explore the limits of individual-focused solutions and why lasting change often requires shifting systems, not just choices. Topics [0:00] Introduction and Speed Round with Nick Chater [13:00] What Does Nudging Really Do? [18:30] I-Frame vs S-Frame Thinking [25:00] Nudges and Politics [28:09] Limitations in Public [33:39] System vs Individual Responsibilities [42:04] Case Study: Retirement Saving Systems [49:01] Are We Solving the Right Problems? [55:00] Can We Fix Broken Systems? [1:00:06] Green Eggs and Ham - a Solution [1:06:12] Desert Island Music [1:09:20] Grooving Session: Systemic Issues, Evolutionary Tendencies ©2026 Behavioral Grooves Links About Nick It’s On You by Nick Chater and George Lowenstein  Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Support Behavioral Grooves Music Links Bach - Mass in B Minor John McLaughlin - Stella by Starlight/My Favourite Things

AI pioneer Sandy Pentland joins us to explore how storytelling and shared wisdom shape human culture, and how artificial intelligence could either strengthen or freeze that process. From the history of AI to the future of democracy, we discuss collective intelligence, distributed decision-making, and how AI tools might actually improve civic dialogue if designed the right way. Topics [0:00] Introduction and Speed Round with Sandy Pentland [8:09] Could AI make society less intelligent? [12:21] What “shared wisdom” really means [18:28] Culture, stories, and how societies evolve [23:50] Information overload in the digital age [30:23] Why shared goals (a “North Star”) matter for progress [34:10] The history of AI: booms, winters, and lessons learned [42:46] Can AI improve democracy? [49:13] The danger of algorithmic “rich get richer” systems [54:19] Grooving Session: storytelling, culture, and collective intelligence ©2026 Behavioral Grooves Links About Sandy Shared Wisdom: Cultural Evolution in the Age of AI by Sandy Pentland Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Support Behavioral Grooves Musical Links Devo - Whip It Flight of the Conchords - Robots (The Humans Are Dead)

What truly helps people live longer, healthier lives? In this episode, we talk with journalist and author Ken Stern about the science behind longevity and why social connection may matter more than diet or exercise alone. From loneliness being compared to smoking 15 cigarettes a day to cultures that keep older adults engaged through work and community, we explore how purpose, relationships, and social structures shape healthy aging. Topics [0:00] Intro and Speed Round with Ken Stern [6:47] Big Cities vs Rural Living and Life Expectancy [10:22] Are We Overvaluing Diet and Exercise? [16:34] Why Loneliness Is Worse in the U.S. [23:35] The Blue Zones Debate [26:18] How to Build Stronger Social Connections [30:25] Rethinking Retirement and Purpose [40:28] Why Generational Mixing Matters [44:41] Intergenerational Communities and Empathy [53:50] Desert Island Music [58:11] Grooving Session: How to Live Your Best (and Longest) Life ©2026 Behavioral Grooves Links About Ken The Longevity Project Healthy to 100 by Ken Stern Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Support Behavioral Grooves Musical Links Bruce Springsteen - Dancing in the Dark U2 - With or Without You

In memory of our friend, Sam Tatam. Sam was a pioneer in his field, and he joined us for a discussion full of creativity, resolve, and a love of behavioral science. He will be missed. Innovation does not always come from inventing something entirely new. Often, the natural world has already solved the problem. In this throwback conversation, we explore the concept of biomimicry with behavioral scientist Sam Tatam, author of Evolutionary Ideas: Unlocking Ancient Innovation to Solve Tomorrow’s Challenges. We discuss how looking to nature can inspire creative solutions in behavioral science and beyond, from the principles of biomimicry to frameworks like the Theory of Inventive Problem Solving (TRIZ) and the Goal Gradient theory. Along the way, we also wander into lighter territory, chatting about the musical artist Sam once traveled to Italy with and the cultural differences between pubs in London and Sydney. Topics [4:59] Welcome and speed round questions. [13:23] What is biomimicry? [18:20] TRIZ (Theory of Inventive Problem Solving) and evolutionary thinking. [25:32] How language can be a liberator for innovation. [29:28] Categorizing biases into patterns. [34:58] What is the Goal Gradient Theory and why isn’t it applied more often? [9:14] Five psychological contradictions. [47:26] What music would Sam take to a desert island? [51:03] Grooving Session: Evolutionary Ideas.

Why do we say yes when we mean no? In this episode, we talk with Sunita Sah about the psychology of compliance and defiance. From Stanley Milgram’s experiments to the hidden force of insinuation anxiety, we explore why compliance is not the same as consent and how to train yourself to act in alignment with your true values. Topics [0:00] Intro and speed round with Sunita Sah [14:57] Stanley Milgram’s Shock Experiments [20:19] Defiance and True Consent [29:18] Insinuation Anxiety and Conflict of Interest [36:44] The Power of the Pause [39:40] Stages of Defiance [44:13] Moral Mavericks and Defiance Practice [50:55] Desert Island Music [56:17] Grooving Session: Conformity vs. Blind Compliance ©2026 Behavioral Grooves Links Defy by Sunita Sah About Dr. Sunita Sah Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Support Behavioral Grooves Music Links The Cure - Pictures of You Depeche Mode - Enjoy the Silence  

Relationships change because people change. In this episode, we explore what it means when someone you love no longer feels like the person you once knew. Using behavioral science, we examine why personality shifts over time, why growth does not always happen in the same direction, and how to decide whether to reconnect, recalibrate, or let go. Topics [0:00] Understanding Relationship Changes [7:07] Relationship Changes Over Time [13:28] Self-Expansion Theory and Michelangelo Phenomenon [22:08] Growth vs. Escape: What’s Really Driving the Change? [29:49] How to Navigate Relationship Changes [34:00] Updating the Story of “Us” [43:01] The Importance of Compassion [46:00] Regret, Loss, and What to Do Next ©2026 Behavioral Grooves Links The All-or-Nothing Marriage: How the Best Marriages Work by Eli Finkel Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Support Behavioral Grooves Music Links Gotye - Somebody That I Used to Know Flora Cash - You’re Somebody Else

What if your mood, focus, and energy aren’t random—but driven by internal clocks you rarely think about? This week, circadian rhythm expert Daniel Forger explains why jet lag hits so hard, why sleep timing may matter more than sleep duration, and what your wearable data actually means. If you’ve ever questioned your “sleep score” or wondered whether you’re a morning person by design, this conversation will change how you understand your body’s timing system. Topics [0:00] Psychologist Off the Clock! [1:55] Intro and Speed Round with Daniel Forger [5:44] Why Crossing Time Zones Messes You Up [10:07] What Are Biological Rhythms? [13:03] Is Your Apple Watch Accurate? [22:44] How Your Biological Rhythms Impact Mood and Performance [27:17] Could Humans Adapt to a 25-Hour Day? [36:31] Circadian Rhythms and Happiness [44:39] The Three Most Important Lessons About Biological Timing [49:32] Bach, Pipe Organs, and Mathematical Patterns [53:41] Grooving Session: The Intersection of Biology and Happiness ©2026 Behavioral Grooves Links About Daniel Biological Rhythms by Daniel Forger Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Support Behavioral Grooves Musical Links Best of Bach

In this special Grooving session, we unpack what happens when shared facts collapse and preferred beliefs take their place. Sparked by Kurt's firsthand experience during unrest in Minneapolis, this conversation explores why people reject lived experience, how identity defense and motivated reasoning shut down dialogue, and when it’s rational to stop trying to persuade altogether. Drawing on behavioral science, persuasion research, and real-world encounters, we examine how to choose your battles, why stories succeed where arguments fail, and what it actually takes to find common ground in a belief-first world.

Dating in 2026 feels broken.  The apps promise infinite choice, rom-coms on our screens promise “the one”, and yet frustration, ghosting, and mismatched expectations seem to be more normal than anything actually working out. This week, Tim Ash, author of Primal Dating, joins us as we explore why dating in the modern world feels so unstable and why many of today’s relationship struggles aren’t personal failures, but predictable outcomes of our ancient instincts clashing with modern environments and expectations. Topics [0:00] Introduction and Speed Round with Tim Ash [7:52] Behavioral tendencies and evolutionary psychology [18:09] The role of life stages in dating [26:17] The impact of cultural norms on dating [30:51] The economic of dating [35:48] The role of tech in dating [48:33] The importance of empathy in dating [56:58] Music talk with Tim and Tim [1:00:45] Grooving Session: Modern dating for primordial (?) minds ©2026 Behavioral Grooves Links About Tim Primal Dating by Tim Ash and Dr. Limor Gottlieb Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Support Behavioral Grooves Music Links Steely Dan - FM Chet Baker - Almost Blue

Love is in the air this Valentine's Day...or is that science? Today, we're throwing it back to 2021, when we had the privilege of chatting with Logan Ury, Director of Relationship Science at Hinge, about the challenges people face in modern dating. From getting ready for a first date to maintaining a relationship long term, Logan gives us valuable insights and advice on how to overcome common hurdles and make the most out of each stage or the dating life.  So, the question of the day is - are you a maximizer, satisficer, or romanticizer? Tune in to find out.  Links About Logan How Not to Die Alone by Logan Ury Music Links Hamilton - Satisfied Chance the Rapper - Coloring Book

You think you know what you want in a partner, but behavioral science says attraction doesn’t work that way. Relationship scientist Paul Eastwick breaks down why dating apps and checklists fail, how attraction actually forms, and why real compatibility grows through interaction, timing, and shared history. Topics [0:00] Introduction and Speed Round with Paul Eastwick [8:21] Why dating checklists and apps fail us [14:45] The myth of universal attractiveness [21:03] How attraction develops over time [27:29] Is “love at first sight” a lie? [38:13] The ‘best’ way to meet people [47:04] The Stroop effect [54:50] Attraction, identity, and history [1:01:11] Desert island music picks [1:03:55] Grooving session: trust, attraction, and relationships beyond dating ©2026 Behavioral Grooves Links Paul Eastwick Love Factually Bonded by Evolution by Paul Eastwick Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Support Behavioral Grooves Music Links Pink Floyd - Hey You Nobuo Uematsu - One Winged Angel

Why do certain phrases stay with us for life? In this episode, were joined by James Geary, author of The World in a Phrase, to explore how aphorisms shape judgment, decision-making, and meaning. From fortune cookies to philosophy, they unpack why short sayings act as cognitive heuristics, how they guide thinking without giving answers, and why the aphorisms that serve us best often change over time, just as we do. Topics [0:00] Introduction and Speed Round with James Geary [7:30] The Laws of Aphorisms [13:45] Finding Wisdom in Unexpected Places [21:07] Aphorisms as Cognitive Heuristics [29:51] The Role of Aphorisms in Decision-Making [35:00] How Aphorisms Can Match Life Stages [42:30] How We Can Apply Aphorisms to Daily Life [48:06] What Do Aphorisms Mean for Me? [59:00] Grooving Session: The World in a Phrase ©2026 Behavioral Grooves Links About James The World in a Phrase Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Support Behavioral Grooves Musical Links Leonard Cohen - Anthem Paul Simon - Everything Put Together Falls Apart  

This Grooving Session feels personal for us. We’re combining our own experiences with behavioral science to explore why civil discourse seems so fragile right now. Over the weekend, tensions rose as ICE activity increased in Minneapolis, and Kurt’s neighborhood was deeply affected. When political tension is high, factors such as fear, proximity to events, and social identity can worsen polarization. It’s easy to forget that we have more in common than we think. We’re here to support you, and we hope this episode gives you practical ways to engage. By slowing down, avoiding online dogpiles, and starting with the question, “What do we agree on?” We can start rebuilding a sense of shared reality. Links Migrant Solidarity Mutual Aid Just Neighbors Music Links Bruce Springsteen - Streets of Minneapolis

Why do smart people keep making predictably bad decisions? Behavioral economist Alex Imas joins us to unpack The Winner’s Curse, loss aversion, and the persistent biases that shape markets, policy, and everyday choices. We explore why classic economic models fall short and what behavioral economics reveals about how humans really decide. Topics [0:00] Introduction and speed round with Alex Imas [11:55] The Winner’s Curse and its implications [21:13] Behavioral economics and standard economic matters [28:01] Loss aversion and decision-making [35:04] Behavioral economics in policy and law [41:00] Tom Sawyer economics [47:30] Social media, attention, and exploitation of bias [56:38] The importance of cooperation and social systems [58:40] New music in 2026 [1:07:53] Grooving session: framing, preferences, and happiness ©2026 Behavioral Grooves Links The Winner’s Curse by Richard Thaler and Alex Imas About Alex Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Support Behavioral Grooves Musical Links Fontaines DC - I Love You ALEXSUCKS - The Gutter

January often feels like a letdown instead of a fresh start. In this episode, we explain the behavioral science behind the January slump, why motivation drops after the holidays, and how reflection, recovery, and smaller milestones can help individuals and teams regain energy and momentum. Topics [0:00] Are you feeling that January Slump? [3:34] Reflecting and recharging [4:56] What leaders can do [8:00] Milestones for motivation [11:42] Final thoughts and next steps ©2026 Behavioral Grooves Links Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Support Behavioral Grooves

Boredom feels unpleasant, but that may be the point. Psychologist Dr. Erin Westgate joins us to explain why boredom is a signal rather than a flaw, how meaning and attention shape it, and what it can teach us about work, burnout, and living a psychologically rich life. Topics [0:00] Intro and Speed Round with Erin Westgate [8:05] Do we think for pleasure? [13:11] Why men would rather shock themselves than be bored [15:50] The MAC model [25:23] Is boredom useful? [29:07] Enjoyable vs. interesting experiences [31:51] Can a boring life still be a good life? [39:58] Boredom and burnout at work  [49:39] Is boredom good or bad? [52:38] Designing better environments for bored people [58:31] Desert island music [1:02:17] Grooving Session: Boredom and meaning in life ©2026 Behavioral Grooves Links About Erin A Psychologically Rich Life: Beyond Happiness and Meaning Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Support Behavioral Grooves Musical Links Patty Scialfa - Rumble Doll Beethoven - Symphony No.7 in A major op.92 - II, Allegretto

It’s Throwback Thursday at Behavioral Grooves, and we’re revisiting one of our favorite conversations with bestselling author Jonah Berger on the surprising power of words. Tiny shifts in language can shape behavior, influence relationships, and even change how others see us. Jonah reveals the “magic words” that captivate, motivate, and persuade, and shares practical tips for turning actions into identities, priming behavior with language, and making every word count. Topics [3:27] Welcome and speed round questions. [5:09] Why asking for advice makes us actually seem smarter. [7:17] Using abstract vs. concrete language. [12:42] How Jonah researched the use of language. [16:49] How can our language affect our relationships. [19:31] Turning actions into identities. [22:47] Priming behavior with language. [25:00] Do the lyrics of songs help explain their success? [28:27] Grooving Session with Tim and Kurt on why words matter. Links About Jonah Magic Words: What to Say to Get Your Way by Jonah Berger Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Support Behavioral Grooves Music Links Suzanne Vega, DNA - Tom's Diner  RUN DMC - Walk This Way (ft. Aerosmith)

What if the key to better work isn’t doing more, but moving more, resting better, and thinking differently? Dr. Natalie Nixon joins us to unpack her Move, Think, Rest framework and explain why creativity thrives when we step away from hustle culture. From walking meetings and daydreaming to embracing ambiguity and redesigning how we work, this episode offers a powerful reframe for anyone feeling burned out or stuck. Topics [0:00] Introduction and speed round with Natalie Nixon [10:20] Burnout, hustle culture, and redesigning how we work [16:12 Productivity myths from the Industrial Revolution [20:34] Movement hygiene and the benefits of walking [26:39] The Move, Think, Rest model [30:27] How to embrace ambiguity instead of fighting it [38:27] The importance of scaling rest [44:38] How Natalie finds her groove [48:25] Grooving Session: Reframing productivity and creativity  ©2026 Behavioral Grooves Links MTR Challenge Natalie Nixon Move. Think. Rest. By Natalie Nixon, PhD Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Support Behavioral Grooves Music Links Check out Natalie Nixon's Playlist for: Move Think Rest    

In this annual “best of the best” episode, we revisit the behavioral science books that most influenced our thinking this year. Rather than ranking titles, we explore what made each book impactful; from happiness and psychological richness to leadership, teams, and behavioral economics, and why these ideas continue to challenge how we think, work, and live. Topics [0:00] Can we really rank “best” books? [2:08] Book Giveaway - How to join [3:34] Psychological richness and happiness [5:50] Redefining wealth beyond money [7:21] The illusion of self-derived beliefs [8:25] Getting out of your own way [11:11] The power of mattering at work [13:21] Rethinking happiness [15:01] Behavioral science in the real world [16:45] Behavioral economics [19:52] Behavioral science in marketing and advertising [20:19] Closing thoughts and community invite  ©2026 Behavioral Grooves Links Life in Three Dimensions – Shigehiro Oishi The Soul of Wealth – Daniel Crosby The Knowledge Illusion – Steven Sloman Detach – Bob Rosen The Collective Edge – Colin Fisher The Power of Mattering – Zach Mercurio What We Value – Emily Falk Beyond Happy – Mark Fabian The Doors You Can Open – Rosalind Chow The Housefly Effect – Eva van den Broek & Tim den Heijer The Winner’s Curse – Richard Thaler & Alex Imas Meditations for Mortals – Oliver Burkeman Hacking the Human Mind – Richard Shotton Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Support Behavioral Grooves Music Links Groovy Listening 2025 Playlist

Happy New Year, Groovers! This week, we're taking some time-off and sharing an oldie but a goodie - our conversation with Ayelet Fishbach.  The start of a new year often brings fresh motivation...and then we burnout. But why? In this recast, we are joined by Dr. Ayelet Fishbach to explore why willpower-driven resolutions fail and how behavioral science offers a smarter way to set goals that last. Through an examination of her research, we unpack meta-motivation, the problem with "the middle" and how you can design your goals better so that they carry momentum through January and beyond.  ©2025 Behavioral Grooves Topics [0:00] Motivation and Willpower - a New Perspective with Ayelet Fishbach [3:19] The Marshmallow Test and Its Misinterpretation [7:52] Meta Motivation and Its Implications [14:28] The Role of Intrinsic and Extrinsic Motivation [18:17] Problems Around Goal Achievement [32:41] The Important of Aspirational Goals [42:58] Strategies for Overcoming the Problem of "the Middle" [48:33] Key Takeaways ©2025 Behavioral Grooves Links About Ayelet Get It Done: Surprising Lessons from the Science of Motivation Music Links Best of NPR Tiny Desk

Why do holiday rituals matter so much to our happiness and sense of connection? In this pre-Christmas special, we unwrap (ho ho ho…) the behavioral science behind gatherings and traditions—from Thanksgiving dinners to baking cookies and watching favorite holiday movies. Learn how rituals differ from habits, why they help reduce anxiety, and how small, intentional moments can strengthen belonging, refresh traditions that feel stale, and make the holiday season feel more meaningful and enjoyable. Topics [0:00] Understanding the Importance of Gatherings and Rituals [5:19] The Role of Multiple Groups in Identity [8:06] Defining Rituals [14:13] Maintaining the Meaning of Rituals [19:00] Practical Ways to Add Intention to the Holidays [22:15[ A Question for Your Next Gathering ©2025 Behavioral Grooves Links Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Support Behavioral Grooves Musical Links Nat King Cole - The Christmas Song Tim Minchin - White Wine in the Sun  

Individual emotional intelligence matters — but teams thrive when EI is built together, not carried by a few well-developed individuals. In this episode, Vanessa Druskat explains why high-performing groups rely on shared norms that create psychological safety, trust, and collaboration. We talk through her research-backed framework for turning work groups into emotionally intelligent teams, how leaders can shape better environments, and why optimism is a surprisingly powerful tool for motivation and change. Topics [0:00] Intro and Speed Round with Vanessa Druskat [7:08] What is Team Emotional Intelligence? [13:02] Leader Behavior vs Team Norms [18:24] The Discovery of “the Nine Norms” [26:34] Engaging Stakeholders Beyond the Team [33:19] Belonging Needs and Conformity [42:01] Optimism As a Leadership Tool [47:21] Coaching for Hope vs Problems [50:42] Desert Island Music [54:14] Grooving Session: A+ Teams vs A+ Individuals ©2025 Behavioral Grooves Links About Vanessa The Emotionally Intelligent Team Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Support Behavioral Grooves Musical Links Van Morrison - Days Like This John Prine - In Spite of Ourselves  

Executive coach and author Muriel Wilkins joins us to unpack the invisible beliefs that quietly shape how we lead. We explore why curiosity is the starting point for self-awareness, the common internal blockers she sees in leaders, and why leadership growth is less about changing who you are and more about expanding your mindset. Muriel breaks down how hidden scripts formed early in life can limit our impact later on, and how shifting our beliefs can help us move from stress and suffering to clarity, range, and ease at work. Topics [0:00] Introduction and speed round with Muriel Wilkins [9:33] Are limiting beliefs protective? [15:40] Where limiting beliefs come from [20:00] Why we’re not taught self-reflection [27:04] The problem with glorifying stress [33:44] Changing vs expanding your mindset [39:23] Redefining success [44:47] How Muriel Wilkins finds her groove [54:50] Grooving Session: Curiosity, self-awareness, and expanding your mindset ©2025 Behavioral Grooves Links About Muriel Leadership Unblocked by Muriel Wilkins Café Bustelo Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Support Behavioral Grooves Musical Links Vivaldi - Four Seasons

In this special episode inspired by questions from our Facebook Community, we explore why big change feels intimidating even though most transformation happens quietly in our daily lives. Kurt and Tim dig into the micro-shifts we overlook, the powerful role expectations play in shaping our confidence and identity, and why surrounding yourself with people who expand your sense of possibility truly matters. They also revisit classic and modern goal-setting research — from Kurt Lewin’s “levels of aspiration” to today’s best evidence — to show how balancing past performance with future dreams helps you find the motivating sweet spot that keeps you moving forward. A Note From Our Team: This show exists because of the community around it — the questions you ask, the curiosity you bring, and the support you’ve given us. If you’d like to help us keep producing independent, ad-free behavioral science content, we’d be grateful for your support on Substack. Your contribution sets the expectation that this work matters — and helps us keep delivering it. Support us here. Topics [0:00] Change and Its Implications [4:00] The Impact of Incremental Change on Personal Growth [8:41] The Pygmalion Effect [16:14] Goal Setting: Past Performance vs Future Dreams [25:39] Incremental Goals vs. Aspirational Goals [29:11] Our Facebook Community: Coffee or Tea? ©2025 Behavioral Grooves Links Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Support Behavioral Grooves

Is violence caused by “bad people,” too many guns, or something deeper? In this episode, University of Chicago researcher Jens Ludwig reveals why most violent acts stem not from evil intent but from ordinary people in unforgiving situations. We explore how behavior, context, metacognition, and split-second decision-making shape violent outcomes — and why small, scalable interventions like pocket parks, foot traffic, and reflective thinking can dramatically reduce harm. If you care about safer communities, more innovative policymaking, or just want to understand human behavior better, our conversation with Jens will forever reshape how you view violence. Topics [0:00] Intro and Speed Round with Jens Ludwig [10:18] Bad People vs Bad Situations [15:55] The 10-Minute Window [22:50] Dog Attacks and Tunnel Vision [31:15] Eyes on the Street and Environment Shaping Behavior [38:50] How Pocket Parks Reduce Crime [47:27] In-Group/Out-Group Psychology and Neighborhood Conflict [52:20] Metacognition, Education, and Preventing Violence [1:00:57] Poker, Tilt, and Decision-Making Under Stress [1:06:51] Desert Island Music Picks [1:11:21] Grooving Session: Interventions and a Solution to Violent Crime ©2025 Behavioral Grooves Links About Jens Unforgiving Places: The Unexpected Origins of American Gun Violence Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Support Behavioral Grooves Musical Links Chappell Roan - Red Wine Supernova AC/DC - Hell’s Bells

Why does gratitude feel so easy to feel yet so hard to say? In this Thanksgiving grooving session, we unpack the psychology behind our awkwardness around expressing appreciation—from miscaliberated assumptions to the belief that people can “just tell” how grateful we are. Drawing on research from Nick Epley and others, we explore how gratitude rewires the brain, boosts well-being, and strengthens relationships, and we share simple, science-backed nudges to help you connect more deeply with the people you love this holiday season. A Note From Our Team: This Thanksgiving, support the science you love. Behavioral Grooves is independent, ad-free, and listener-powered. If our episodes bring you insight or inspiration, consider subscribing or becoming a member—it makes a huge difference.  ©2025 Behavioral Grooves Topics [0:00] What is Gratitude? [1:51] Barriers to Expressing Gratitude [3:44] Nudges for Practicing Gratitude [6:54] The Power of In-Person Gratitude [8:30] Closing Thoughts: Happy Thanksgiving! ©2025 Behavioral Grooves Links Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Support Behavioral GroovesSupport Behavioral Grooves Musical Links Arlo Guthrie - Alice's Restaurant Vintage Thanksgiving Playlist  

Harvard instructor Margaret Andrews joins us to explore why effective leadership starts with self-awareness. We discuss blind spots, emotional intelligence, team norms, and the internal work leaders must do to better understand their impact. Margaret offers practical tools for developing people and navigating organizational context, showing how self-understanding reshapes culture, communication, and long-term leadership success. Topics [0:00] Introduction and Speed Round with Margaret Andrews [7:10] What Managers Get Wrong [16:59] Challenges of Leading Others [21:42] Emotional Intelligence and Leadership [27:20] The “Best Boss” Exercise [35:54] Leading for the Long Term [39:56] Advice for New Managers [44:19] Desert Island Music [49:38] Grooving Session: Self-Awareness, Biases, and Leadership Takeaways ©2025 Behavioral Grooves Links About Margaret Manage Yourself to Lead Others by Margaret C. Andrews Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Support Behavioral Grooves Music Links Rod Stewart - Have You Ever Seen the Rain? Nina Simone - Feeling Good

What if the gender revolution never finished? Economist Corinne Low joins us to unpack why women have transformed the workforce while men’s roles at home have barely changed. Drawing on insights from her book Having It All, Corinne reveals why so many families are stretched thin, caught between data, social pressure, and outdated norms. Together, we explore what it means to “have it almost,” and how smarter boundaries, parental leave, and fairer divisions of labor could finally help us reach true balance at home and at work.  ©2025 Behavioral Grooves Topics [0:00] Intro and Speed Round with Corinne Low [8:30] Gender Roles in Parenting [18:58] Behavioral and Social Norms in Parenting [27:32] Economic Models and Marriage [38:29] Paternity Leave and Gender Roles [44:18] Structural Changes and Workforce Adaptations [52:49] Desert Island Music [55:26] Grooving Session: Finding Balance at Home and at Work ©2025 Behavioral Grooves Links About Corinne Having It All: What Data Tells Us About Women’s Lives and Getting the Most Out of Yours by Corinne Low, PhD Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Music Links Pearl Jam - Even Flow The Beatles - Now and Then

Financial advisor and author Mark Matson joins Behavioral Grooves to explore what the American Dream means today—and whether it’s truly attainable for everyone. We dig into his view that fulfillment comes from mindset, not money, and examine how behavioral biases can sabotage our financial decisions. But as we discuss the tension between personal responsibility and systemic headwinds, we also ask: can discipline and optimism alone really guarantee success? Topics [0:00] A quick word with Kurt and Tim - Struggling with the American Dream [5:08] Speed Round with Mark Matson [9:20] Cognitive Biases in Investing [16:00] Victimhood vs Agency [23:58] Why Investors Are Their Own Worst Enemy [27:12] Behavioral Economics and Bad Decisions [38:45] The Three Rules for Smarter Investing [44:58] Defining “Enough” [51:13] How to Find Purpose and Find Your Groove [58:50] Desert Island Music Picks [1:01:12] Grooving Session: Nuance, Privilege, and Perspective ©2025 Behavioral Grooves Help Behavioral Grooves stay independent and science-focused by becoming a paid subscriber or making a one-time donation. Support our work Links About Mark Experiencing the American Dream: How to Invest Your Time, Energy, and Money to Create an Extraordinary Life by Mark Matson Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Musical Links Billy Joel - We Didn’t Start the Fire Morgan Wallen - I Got Better

How does framing influence the way we think, feel, and act? Sociologist and author Mikael Klintman joins us to explore how framing shapes nearly every part of life — from art and politics to health and everyday conversations. We discuss how subtle shifts in language and context can change our perceptions, why framing itself is neutral but powerful, and how expanding or contracting our frames can unite or divide us. Tune in for practical insights on recognizing framing in action and using it to see the world differently. Topics [0:00] Introduction and Speed Round with Mikael Klintman [6:29] Framing: A Double-Edged Sword? [13:02] The Art of Social Influence [17:07] Rough and Smooth Framing [22:54] Frame Expansion and Contraction [30:12] Behavioral Economics and Framing [36:25] Framing in Everyday Life [41:23] Music and Framing [48:04] Grooving Session: Using Framing to Reframe Your Own Mindset ©2025 Behavioral Grooves Help Behavioral Grooves stay independent and science-focused by becoming a paid subscriber or making a one-time donation. Support our work Links About Mikael Framing: The Social Art of Influence by Mikael Klintman Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Musical Links U2 - I Still Haven’t Found What I’m Looking For Randy Crawford - Rio de Janeiro Blue

Happy Halloween from Behavioral Grooves! In the spirit (OoooOoo) of the holiday, we're resharing one of our old episodes exploring the spooky side of biases - why we have them, and how we can overcome them. Tune in while you're painting your face for that halloween party, or maybe play it on the speakers outside to really scare the kids with some cold hard science.  No tricks, just treats — and by treats, we mean thoughtful behavioral science stories told without ads or sponsors.  Help Behavioral Grooves stay independent and science-focused by becoming a paid subscriber or making a one-time donation. Support our work

This Halloween, we dive into the spooky science of superstition—why we knock on wood, wear lucky socks, and believe in things that defy logic. From the psychology of control and uncertainty to research on how superstition both stresses and strengthens us, we mix science, humor, and a dash of Stevie Wonder to show why “superstition ain’t the way.” Topics [0:00] Happy Halloween from Behavioral Grooves! [2:08] Common superstitions and their rationality [6:40] Psychological and cultural aspects of superstitions [9:13] Superstitions: The positives and negatives [14:36] The hidden wisdom of Stevie Wonder [16:14] Why we should be curious about our rituals ©2025 Behavioral Grooves Links Believing in Magic: The Psychology of Superstition Delacroix, Eva & Valérie Guillard. (2008). Understanding, defining and measuring the trait of superstition.  Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Music Links Stevie Wonder - Superstition  Nightmare Before Christmas - This Is Halloween

Psychologist and author Dr. Wolfgang Linden joins us to explore why so much of our stress comes not from events themselves, but from our attempts to control them. Drawing on 40+ years of research and clinical experience, he breaks down the “illusion of control” and argues that we only truly have power over two things: how we respond and where we direct our energy. We dive into his emotion–thought–behavior framework, the dangers of suppressing emotions, and how small shifts in attention and behavior can interrupt toxic cycles. From relationships to health to life goals, Wolfgang shows how letting go can actually give us more peace, more agency, and a clearer path forward—sometimes even by knowing when to quit. Topics [0:00] Introduction and Speed Round with Dr. Wolfgang Linden [6:08] Emotions: friend or foe? [13:38] Behavior change and depression [17:51] When to persist vs. when to quit [26:23] Stress, values, and life priorities [31:39] Saying yes to opportunities [36:05] What to do when stuck in a rut [43:37] Desert Island music [48:36] Grooving session: attention, focus, and letting go ©2025 Behavioral Grooves Links About Dr. Wolfgang Linden The Illusion of Control: A Practical Guide to Avoid Futile Struggles by Wolfgang Linden Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Musical Links Jethro Tull - Locomotive Breath Franz Schubert - Symphony No. 8 (Unfinished)

This October, we’re celebrating 8 years of Behavioral Grooves! To mark the occasion, we’re digging into our archives and re-sharing some of our most popular and thought-provoking conversations every Thursday for the next two months. The celebration builds to our Anniversary Event on October 16th in Minneapolis, where fan favorite Nick Epley will lead the audience in a live social experiment and conversation about the science we all love. 🎉 Space is limited—grab your tickets now through the link in the show notes and join us for an unforgettable night of behavioral science, connection, and fun! And for our final throwback... Annie Duke returns to discuss her book How to Decide: Simple Tools for Making Better Choices, a practical guide that helps readers apply decision-making strategies in everyday life. Annie walks us through concepts like the Archer’s Mindset, Free Rolls, and the surprising benefits of negative thinking, all designed to improve goal-setting and outcomes. Blending behavioral science with her signature clarity—and even a few musical shoutouts to Jack White—Annie offers listeners concrete tools to make smarter decisions and, ultimately, happier lives. Links Behavioral Grooves LIVE in Minneapolis! How to Decide by Annie Duke Music Links Jack White - Archbishop Harold Holmes

We explore the hidden forces of status and anointment with Professor Toby Stuart, author of Anointed: How Status Shapes Our Lives. Status influences careers, relationships, and how we perceive art, yet as AI blurs traditional markers of merit, society is increasingly relying on shortcuts like pedigree and recognition. We examine the risks, opportunities, and compounding effects of status, revealing how small advantages snowball into lifelong impacts and challenging listeners to rethink how status shapes their world. ©2025 Behavioral Grooves Topics [0:00] Intro and Speed Round with Toby Stuart [8:43] Status-based Bias [13:49] Status in Art, Music, and Science [26:34] The Power of Anointment and Status Transfer [39:39] Status Hierarchies, Networks, and Social Groups [43:23] The Cosmic Lottery [48:06] The Future of Status in an AI World [58:47] What is the Matthew Effect? [1:01:50] Grooving Session - What Does Status Really Mean? ©2025 Behavioral Grooves Links Behavioral Grooves Live in Minneapolis! More About Toby Anointed by Toby Stuart Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Music Links Duke Ellington - Take the “A” Train Mozart - Eine Kleine Nachtmusik  

This October, we’re celebrating 8 years of Behavioral Grooves! To mark the occasion, we’re digging into our archives and re-sharing some of our most popular and thought-provoking conversations every Thursday for the next two months. The celebration builds to our Anniversary Event on October 16th in Minneapolis, where fan favorite Nick Epley will lead the audience in a live social experiment and conversation about the science we all love. Space is limited—grab your tickets now through the link in the show notes and join us for an unforgettable night of behavioral science, connection, and fun! And now - our throwback of the week! Bob McKinnon—host of the Attribution podcast and author of America’s Dreaming—joins us to unpack the stories we tell about success and failure. Bob challenges the “fundamental attribution error,” showing how luck, privilege, and social connections shape life outcomes far more than we often admit. Together, we explore the ethics of marketing, the hidden role of systemic barriers, and how reframing our narratives can foster empathy and bridge divides. With storytelling, history, and even music woven in, this conversation reveals how compassionate curiosity can help us see both ourselves and others more clearly. Links Behavioral Grooves LIVE in Minneapolis! America's Dreaming by Bob McKinnon Music Links Neil Diamond - I am…I said Tracy Chapman - Fast Car

Don Kieffer, co-author of There’s Got to Be a Better Way, shares why “common sense” often misguides leaders and how dynamic work design helps organizations thrive. From calling meetings the worst form of organizational abuse to showing why managers can become their own obstacles, Don explains how making work visible and partnering with people closest to the work can unlock both adaptability and efficiency. Topics [0:00] Intro and Speed Round with Don Kieffer [7:14] What Leaders Consistently Get Wrong [10:29] Dynamic Work - What Is It? [18:42] The Hot Stove Problem [22:56] When the Boss Becomes the Problem [28:18] The Power of Whiteboards [36:01] Meetings: The Worst Form of Organizational Abuse [42:46] Jazz, Improv, and Better Work Design [45:44] Grooving Session - Handoffs, Huddles, and Making Work Work ©2025 Behavioral Grooves Links Behavioral Grooves LIVE in Minneapolis! About Don Kieffer There’s Got to Be a Better Way by Nelson Repenning and Donald Kieffer Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Music Links John Coltrane - My Favorite Things Pandora Jazz Station

This October, we’re celebrating 8 years of Behavioral Grooves! To mark the occasion, we’re digging into our archives and re-sharing some of our most popular and thought-provoking conversations every Thursday for the next two months. The celebration builds to our Anniversary Event on October 16th in Minneapolis, where fan favorite Nick Epley will lead the audience in a live social experiment and conversation about the science we all love. Space is limited—grab your tickets now through the link in the show notes and join us for an unforgettable night of behavioral science, connection, and fun! And now - this week's episode! Jodi Wellman, author of You Only Die Once, joins us for a lively and irreverent conversation on how facing our mortality can motivate us to live more fully. Together, we explore why life should be about more than routines and to-do lists, and how prioritizing joy, gratitude, and connection can help us make the most of the limited Mondays we have left. Blending humor with inspiration, Jodi challenges us to be more intentional with our time and to embrace the art of truly living. Links Behavioral Grooves LIVE in Minneapolis! You Only Die Once by Jodi Wellman Music Links Dave Matthews Band - Satellite The Cure - Friday I’m in Love

Richard Shotton joins us to reveal the behavioral science secrets behind 17 iconic brands — from Guinness and Snickers to Apple and Dyson. He explains how psychological biases like concreteness, trigger moments, and the illusion of effort drive real-world success, and why making things easy often beats motivation. ©2025 Behavioral Grooves Topics [0:00] Intro and speed round with Richard Shotton [7:52] The single bias every marketer should know [13:09] Guinness and the power of the pratfall effect [19:32] Snickers, trigger moments, and habit formation [26:51] Apple’s “1,000 songs in your pocket” and concreteness [34:32] Dyson, the illusion of effort, and AI’s challenge [43:25] Lessons on testing vs. relying on survey claims [46:38] Desert island music [49:41] Grooving session: key takeaways [1:09:12] Event announcement ©2025 Behavioral Grooves Links Behavioral Grooves LIVE in Minneapolis About Richard Hacking the Human Mind Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Musical Links The Wonder Stuff - The Size of a Cow CMAT - When a Good Man Cries

This October, we’re celebrating 8 years of Behavioral Grooves! To mark the occasion, we’re digging into our archives and re-sharing some of our most popular and thought-provoking conversations every Thursday for the next two months. The celebration builds to our Anniversary Event on October 16th in Minneapolis, where fan favorite Nick Epley will lead the audience in a live social experiment and conversation about the science we all love. Space is limited—grab your tickets now through the link in the show notes and join us for an unforgettable night of behavioral science, connection, and fun! And now - this week's episode! In this episode of Behavioral Grooves, psychologists Daniel Simons and Christopher Chabris—creators of the famous Monkey Business Illusion and authors of Nobody’s Fool—unpack why we so often fall for fraud, scams, and flashy but misleading science. They explain how our biases and love of appealing stories make us vulnerable, and why blanket skepticism isn’t practical. Instead, they share tools for spotting deception, insights into fixing flawed research incentives, and a simple but powerful rule of thumb: trust the people who admit when they’re wrong. Links Behavioral Grooves LIVE in Minneapolis! Nobody’s Fool: Why We Get Taken In and What We Can Do About It by Daniel Simons & Chris Chabris The Monkey Business Illusion Music Links Talking Heads “Once in a Lifetime” Ani Difranco “Both Hands” Wax Tailor “Come With Me” Bjork “Human Behaviour”

Employee engagement scores have been stuck for decades—but belonging and wellbeing might be the missing pieces. We talk with Mark Crowley about why emotions drive behavior, how rituals create culture, and why leading with heart is actually the smartest path to performance. Topics [0:00] Intro and speed round with Mark Crowley [9:05] Why leaders dismiss engagement scores [11:28] The power of asking “How do you feel?” [16:50] Reciprocity and authentic care [20:08] Belonging as the greatest driver of wellbeing [24:55] Why old leadership myths persist [28:20] Positive emotions as “emotional currency” [31:51] Balancing care with accountability [35:05] Rituals that build culture (and candy stories) [42:11] Advice for new managers [46:24] Mark’s desert island music picks [48:39] Grooving session takeaways ©2025 Behavioral Grooves Links Behavioral Grooves LIVE in Minneapolis! About Mark The Power of Employee Well-Being by Mark Crowley Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Music Links Van Morrison - Days Like This George Harrison - Any Road    

This October, we’re celebrating 8 years of Behavioral Grooves! To mark the occasion, we’re digging into our archives and re-sharing some of our most popular and thought-provoking conversations every Thursday for the next two months. The celebration builds to our Anniversary Event on October 16th in Minneapolis, where fan favorite Nick Epley will lead the audience in a live social experiment and conversation about the science we all love. Space is limited—grab your tickets now through the link in the show notes and join us for an unforgettable night of behavioral science, connection, and fun! Now, onto the episode! Distinguished psychologist Arie Kruglanski joins us to unpack his groundbreaking research on motivation and the human quest for significance—the drive that fuels our thoughts, emotions, and actions. We explore how goals serve motivational needs, why intrinsic and extrinsic motivations are more connected than they seem, and how the universal desire for significance can be channeled in both positive and destructive ways. Arie also shares insights from his influential 3N Model of Radicalization, offering a hopeful perspective on how education and alternative pathways can redirect this powerful drive toward more constructive ends. Links Behavioral Grooves LIVE in Minneapolis! About Arie Music Links Bach - Air on G String Miles Davis - So What

Cognitive scientist Steve Sloman joins us to discuss The Cost of Conviction, exploring how sacred values shape our decisions and why they often lead to polarization. From zealotry to the social roots of belief, Steve reveals why convictions are more borrowed than built—and what this means for hot-button debates in politics, public health, and business. Most importantly, he shares how reframing conversations can reduce outrage, build humility, and open the door to better dialogue across divides. Topics [0:00] Intro and Speed Round with Steve Sloman [7:49] How Your Community Shapes Your Beliefs [13:05] Sacred Values vs. Consequentialism [19:25] The Psychology of Convictions [24:48] Do We Only Trust In-Group Experts? [33:59] The “Sacred Value Trap” [40:35] How Framing Shifts Consumer Behavior [47:45] Desert Island Music [51:59] Grooving Session: How Can We Reframe Our Sacred Values? ©2025 Behavioral Grooves Links Behavioral Grooves Live Event! About Steve The Cost of Conviction by Steve Sloman Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Music Links Paul Simon - The Boxer Neil Young - Rockin’ in the Free World Bob Dylan - The Times They Are A-Changin’

This October, we’re celebrating 8 years of Behavioral Grooves! To mark the occasion, we’re digging into our archives and re-sharing some of our most popular and thought-provoking conversations every Thursday for the next two months. The celebration builds to our Anniversary Event on October 16th in Minneapolis, where fan favorite Nick Epley will lead the audience in a live social experiment and conversation about the science we all love. Space is limited—grab your tickets now through the link in the show notes and join us for an unforgettable night of behavioral science, connection, and fun! Now, onto the episode! In this episode of Behavioral Grooves, we sit down with behavioral economics pioneer George Loewenstein, whose groundbreaking research has shaped our understanding of decision-making, risk, incentives, emotions, and so much more. Though not a household name, George is a legend in the field—so much so that Richard Thaler dedicated his book Misbehaving to him. Our conversation explores his latest work on boredom, a surprisingly understudied emotion, and what it reveals about attention, productivity, and even workplace meetings. Along the way, we touch on curiosity, music, and why boredom itself may hold the key to unlocking deeper flow and focus. Links Behavioral Grooves LIVE in Minneapolis! About George

Psychologist and author Dr. Bob Rosen joins us to discuss his book Detach and how hidden attachments—like perfectionism, control, and success—often masquerade as virtues while quietly holding us back. We explore practical strategies for self-awareness, facing fears, and transforming attachments into aspirations so you can thrive in work and life. Topics [0:00] Intro and Speed Round with Bob Rosen [9:28] Western vs Eastern Psychology [12:00] Overcoming Attachments and Building Self-Awareness [21:23] Leadership and Trust in Hybrid Work [31:48] Internalized Agesim and What It Means [35:41] Embracing the Ups and Downs of Life [41:18] Attachment to Life, Loss, and Building Connection [49:49] Desert Island Music [52:46] Grooving Session: Focus and Reflection for a Better Life ©2025 Behavioral Grooves Links Behavioral Grooves LIVE in Minneapolis! About Bob Detach by Bob Rosen Healthy Companies Join us on Substack! Join the Behavioral Grooves community Subscribe to Behavioral Grooves on YouTube Music Links Procol Harum – A Whiter Shade of Pale Laura Branigan – Gloria