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Free Outside

Welcome to "Free Outside," the ultimate podcast for outdoor enthusiasts! Join me, Jeff Garmire, as I blur the lines between trail running, Fastest Known Times (FKTs), thru-hiking, backpacking, and all endurance. With 20 FKTs under my belt, a book, a movie, and plenty of unconventional experiences, I'm here to share my adventures and insights.Expect engaging interviews and fun interactions with guests who excel in various ways. Whether we're discussing the art of slowly running through forests, the thrill of a challenging hike, or simply an appreciator of beauty and comedy, here we are.

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    Before Cocodona 250: Nerves, Training, and the PCT Mindset

    Cocodona 250 starts in two days, so I’m talking through the plan, the nerves, the training block, and why this race still matters so much to me. This episode is also the two-year anniversary of the Free Outside Podcast, which launched during Cocodona because I was too nervous to watch whether anyone listened.I get into the pressure after the Appalachian Trail FKT, a clunky but meaningful Cocodona build, working with a nutritionist and mental performance coach, and the three values I’m carrying into the race: presence, community, and trust. Or, fittingly, PCT.Presence: be here now.Community: let people help.Trust: trust yourself.This is my Cocodona 250 race plan, but also a reminder that hard things are better when they are rooted in joy, connection, and a reason that actually means something.Support our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    Who Wins, Who Falls, and Who Knows: Cocodona 250 Preview Show Ft. Tara and Allison

    Cocodona 250 is here, and right after recording this, I’m heading out the door to go run it.So naturally, the best thing to do before a 250-mile race is sit down and try to predict everything that’s about to happen.In this episode of the Free Outside Podcast, I’m joined by Tara Dower and Allison Mercer to break down the Cocodona 250 field, storylines, and everything we think might happen… knowing full well that none of it will go according to plan.We talk about:Why the women’s field might be the most exciting part of the raceDark horses, favorites, and who could surprise everyoneHow 200+ mile races actually play out (hint: not how you think)Influencers vs contenders and why Cocodona is its own worldLive stream chaos, race coverage, and being way too exposed mid-raceFalling… a lot of fallingAnd why we do all of this in the first placeThis is part preview, part comedy, and part reminder that these races are supposed to be fun, even when they feel overwhelming.If you’re watching Cocodona this year, this will get you ready.If you’re running it… good luck.Support our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    Walker of the Year: The Secret to Having the Most Fun

    What if ultrarunning wasn’t about suffering… but about having more fun?Andrea Moore has run 200s, 300s, and more races than most people would ever consider—and somehow, she makes all of it look like a moving party.We talk about:Why the back of the pack might be having the most funThe real “secret” to 200-mile racesSnacks, bush naps, and the weird moments that actually matterDNFs, dark moments, and why they don’t define youWhy no one remembers results—but they remember storiesIf you’re heading into Cocodona 250 or just curious about ultras, this is a different way to think about it.Less pressure. More curiosity. More fun.Support our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    Sally McRae on Cocodona, Mindset, and What Actually Matters in Ultras

    I sit down with Sally McRae to talk about Cocodona 250, 200-mile racing, her career, and what actually matters in running.We get into why Sally is coming back to Cocodona, what went wrong the first time, and how she’s approaching it differently this year. From dialing in gear and nutrition to cutting time at aid stations, this is a real look at what makes a difference in long races and what doesn’t.We also talk about the evolution of the sport. From early blog days to the current boom in gear, content, and sponsorships, and why it can feel harder than ever to find something real in it.Sally shares what she’s learned after years in the sport, including:Why efficiency and organization matter more than fitness in 200sThe mindset it takes to keep moving when everything hurtsHow to think about gear without overcomplicating itWhy most runners are focusing on the wrong thingsWhat actually improves performance over long distancesWe also get into body image in endurance sports, fueling, durability, and why being strong might matter more than being light.This one is part philosophy, part race strategy, and part reality check for anyone chasing big goals in ultras.If you’re running Cocodona, thinking about a 200-miler, or just trying to figure out how to get better without burning out, this episode will hit.Support our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    Cocodona 250 History: The Stories Beneath the Miles

    We spend a lot of time talking about how hard Cocodona 250 is. The miles, the climbing, the heat, the sleep deprivation.But this course didn’t start as a race. Bryce Brooks teaches us all about that.In this episode, we go through the history of the Cocodona 250 route, from Black Canyon City to Flagstaff, and all the strange, wild, and sometimes brutal stories that came long before runners showed up.Mining towns that popped up overnight. Roads built to haul gold through the mountains. Saloons, fires, outlaws, and entire buildings moved by hand. Sections of trail that were once trade routes, stagecoach roads, and lifelines through unforgiving terrain.And the realization that when you’re out there struggling… you’re not the first one.This episode is part history lesson, part storytelling, and part reminder that these miles mean a little more when you understand where you are.Support our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    What You Become Before the Finish Line

    Most people think the finish line is the point.That’s where the photo happens, where the time gets recorded, where you finally get to stop. But after enough races, FKTs, and long efforts, I’m starting to think the finish line is actually the least important part of the whole thing.In this episode, I talk about what these big efforts really give you, and why the value has almost nothing to do with the final result.Then I’m joined by Monica Monroe, who recently set the unsupported FKT on the Ouachita Trail. Her story is one of the best examples of this I’ve seen. She didn’t start as “the FKT person.” She started as a beginner backpacker making every mistake in the book, and over time built the experience, confidence, and mindset to take on something much bigger.We get into how she trained, how she approached an unsupported effort, what it feels like to carry everything you need for a week, and the mental side of sticking to a plan when things get hard. We also talk about the moment where her “why” shifted on trail, and how these efforts can turn into something a lot more personal than just chasing a record.Follow Monica on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@makeway4mudcatSupport our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    Go Two More

    Ultra running gets talked about like it has to be miserable. Stay hard. Go one more. Keep hammering. Suffer better. In this episode, I unpack why I think that mindset can miss the whole point of going long in the first place. Yes, hard things matter. Resilience matters. Pushing past limits matters. But if the only way to do something difficult is to build a hostile relationship with yourself, what are you really discovering out there?I talk about why joy, curiosity, adventure, community, and self-discovery are a much bigger part of ultras than the loudest voices on the internet sometimes make it seem. I also revisit my criticism of the BPN Go One More Backyard Ultra and admit where I think I was wrong.Then I’m joined by Kai Slough, who ran 103 miles at BPN Go One More in his first official ultra. We talk about what the event was actually like on the ground, the backyard ultra format, pacing, food, gear, the strange magic of running loop after loop, and what happens when you go from zero ultras to 100 miles in a day.We also get into why people really come back to hundreds and backyards, and it is not just to prove they can suffer.This one is about hard things, but also better reasons for doing them.Support our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    Vibe. Grind. Shine. (And Don’t Fall). Carb Maxing to run for Team USA

    Allison Mercer just finished second at the USA 100K Championships… and is officially headed to Spain to represent Team USA.In this episode, we break down everything from the race, including how to mentally survive a 10-lap course, dialing in race-day nutrition, and why laps 4 through 6 are basically a personal crisis. We also get into her “vibe, grind, shine” mantra, carb intake (very high), and what it actually feels like when you realize you’re going to make the team.We also cover:How to pace a 100K without losing your mindRace prep, bottle systems, and why being organized actually mattersThe mental shift from training to racingWhat hurts during a 100K (spoiler: everything, eventually)Why second place is somehow both amazing and terriblePlus, we get into Boston Marathon storylines, Cocodona 250 hype, injuries in the sport, and whether running a 5K one week after a 100K is a terrible idea (it is).It’s part race recap, part comedy, and part therapy session for endurance athletes, just how we like it.If you’ve ever trained for something big, wondered how elites actually fuel, or just want to hear what it’s like to qualify for Team USA, this one’s for you.Support our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    Heritage Square Bound: Cocodona 250 Strategy

    In this episode, I’m talking Cocodona 250 with Allison Powell, where things go from “best half marathon ever” to “walking a corpse to the finish line” in about 200 miles.We break down everything that went wrong last year, including cold, sleep mistakes, and just generally making questionable decisions for multiple days straight. Then we get into what we’re changing this time around, from pacing early to rethinking sleep and nutrition.We also solve Cocodona entirely with a new strategy:sleeping one minute every mile.Along the way we cover race strategy, fueling, electrolytes, and why going slower early might actually be the smartest move.If you’re running Cocodona 250, thinking about it, or just want to hear how things can go very wrong over a long distance, this one’s for you.Support our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside #Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    Salty Boy Training Camp

    This one is part training update, part origin story, and part figuring things out in real time.I’m down in Arizona right now, overheating on purpose, trying to finally solve the thing that’s crushed me at Cocodona 250 for years. Day one. Heat, hydration, sodium, all of it. I’ve known it’s a weakness, but this is the first year I’ve actually committed to fixing it.So I built a training camp around it.We get into how I’m thinking about specificity, dialing in calories and sodium per hour, and actually testing everything in the conditions that matter. Not guessing, not hoping, just collecting data and adjusting.Then we rewind to the beginning. Signing up for the first Cocodona with no idea what I was doing, showing up with one drop bag, living off Skittles and electrolytes I’d never tried before, and somehow figuring it out along the way. Six years later, this is the first time I’ve treated Cocodona like an A goal. And I think that changes everything.We also wrap up Outdoor March Madness, talk about why the Appalachian Trail won (controversial), give out prizes, and get into a bigger theme. If something is a weakness, you can either avoid it or actually go fix it.This time, I’m trying to fix it.

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    He Trained 9 Miles a Week… Then Became an NCAA Champion. The Eric Jenkins Story

    Eric Jenkins joins the podcast to talk about one of the weirdest things in sports, retiring in your early 30s… and then figuring out what comes next.Follow Eric online: https://www.instagram.com/_ericjenkins/We get into his career from running 9 miles a week in high school (with snorkel training and backyard workouts) to becoming an NCAA champion and professional runner. Then we talk about the part nobody really prepares you for, what happens when it all ends.We also dive into:Why track struggles to grow compared to other sportsThe Olympic Trials pressure and the “one race” problemHis transition into media and podcastingWhat trail running actually looks like from the outsidePacers in ultras and whether they’re cheating (kind of)Why a 100-mile race might be the hardest thing he’s ever attemptedAnd yes, we try to convince him to run a 100 miler.This one is part running, part life after sport, and part figuring out what to do when your identity changes overnight.Follow Eric's podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/7L5aLeFO5zDMcinUfrm8oV?si=0e59984bb5cc4e7dSupport our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    What Happens When the Record Slips Away, with Liz Derstine

    Liz Derstine is back on the podcast to talk about her self supported Pacific Crest Trail effort, the highs and lows of going after a huge goal, and the film that came out of it, Ridgeline. We get into brutal desert heat, night hiking, trying to balance daily trail updates with an FKT effort, and what it feels like when a record starts slipping away but you keep pushing anyway.We also talk about the music side of Liz’s life, how she helped shape the soundtrack of the film, what it is like to write for an orchestra, and why hiking and creating art might not be as different as they seem. This one is about follow through, vulnerability, and going for something big even when there is no guarantee it works out.Watch Ridgeline on the Mountain Hardwear YouTube channel.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSWTddKCbf4Follow Liz online: https://www.instagram.com/pinkfeathers/Support our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    Appalachian Trail FKT Talk, Cocodona Tactics, and the Year of the Fall

    Allison is back and we cover a ton in this one. Will Peterson is officially going after the Appalachian Trail self-supported FKT, so we talk about what it is like when someone comes for your record and how different people approach these huge trail efforts. We also get into Cocodona 250 strategy, race-day chaos, pacing, heat, and how not to implode over 250 miles. Then we hit the running news, including the World Indoor Championships, Josh Kerr vs Cole Hocker, Cooper Lutkenhaus announcing himself to the world at 17, and Mondo continuing to be ridiculous. Also, yes, there is a lot of discussion about falling down and bleeding in public. It is that kind of episodeSupport our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    Brackets Are Cooked. Cocodona Prep Is Heating Up

    March Madness is here… but make it outdoors.We just wrapped round one of Outdoor March Madness and chaos has already taken over. No perfect brackets remain, upsets are happening everywhere, and somehow Nerds Clusters might actually win the whole thing. I break down the biggest results, the closest matchups, and what’s coming next as we head toward the Sweet 16.We also raffle off our first prize (shoutout Robbie), and I explain how YOU can win gear, race entries, and more just by voting.On my end, I’m finally back training after breaking my rib at Barkley Marathons. After nearly four weeks off, I’ve jumped back into big mileage, working toward Cocodona 250. The fitness feels good, the falls do not, and now it’s all about dialing in runnable miles, heat training, and race-specific prep.Topics in this episode:Round 1 Outdoor March Madness results and biggest upsetsWhy there are zero perfect brackets leftPrize raffles and how to winMy Cocodona 250 training update post-injuryWhy I keep falling (seriously, what is going on)Early voting trends for Round 2Vote on matchups and follow along:freeoutside.comNew prizes dropping every round. Your vote actually matters.Support our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    Mike McKnight Is Directing a 200 While Racing Five More

    Mike McKnight is on the Free Outside Podcast, and this one goes all over the place in the best way. We talk about his jump into Hyrox, why it might be more of a runner sport than people think, and what it was like dealing with a brutal back injury that left him unable to run but somehow still riding 200 miles on a bike.https://www.freeoutside.com/outdoor-march-madnessWe also get into his massive 2026 schedule, including five 200-mile races, Hardrock, and launching the Old Ephraim 200, a race that finishes at the same ski area where he once broke his back. Mike talks about what it takes to get a race permitted, how he thinks about goals across a huge season, why he is not big on pacers, and what actually makes him so good at 200-mile races.Then, naturally, we end up talking about sleep deprivation, childhood farm life, dissociation in ultras, a possible Colorado Trail head-to-head FKT showdown, and Mike’s deep love for the Backstreet Boys.This one is funny, honest, and full of the kind of ultra running rabbit holes I love.Support our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    Two Guys, One Bracket: Bracketology for Outdoor March Madness

    Today I’m introducing something I’ve been putting way too much work into: Outdoor March Madness.Luke Pearsall of Trail Goods Co joins for a Bracketology episode discussing the outdoor march madness bracket. Join for a joke filled episode. Follow Trail Goods Co: https://www.instagram.com/trailgoodscompanyIt’s a giant bracket where outdoor things go head to head. Trails, gear, snacks, and the things that ruin your day outside. Think Appalachian Trail vs Pacific Crest Trail. Peanut Butter vs Trail Mix. Trekking poles vs Headphones.You fill out a bracket predicting what will win, and then every round the matchups are decided by public voting.There will be prizes, chaos, and probably some very strong opinions.Fill out your bracket here:https://www.freeoutside.com/outdoor-march-madnessVote on the matchups here:https://forms.gle/9DEK6x2iUK4gMzVH9Let’s see what the outdoor world decides is the ultimate champion.Support our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    Two Larabars, Pepperoni, and 900 Kilometers Unsupported

    I have a huge announcement. The Free Outside Outdoor March Madness Bracket is live.https://www.freeoutside.com/outdoor-march-madnessGo to freeoutside.com and fill out your bracket to predict which outdoor things will win head-to-head matchups all month long. Trails, snacks, gear, and trail problems will face off until we crown a champion.Follow Cody Taylor online: https://www.instagram.com/codytaylorperformanceYou can vote in each matchup as the rounds progress, track the leaderboard, and enter raffles for prizes along the way. We’re giving away race entries, gear, gift cards, and more.Some example matchups include things like:• Appalachian Trail vs Timberline Trail• Peanut M&Ms vs Running Gels• Blisters vs Mosquitoes• Gear battles and trail legendsBrackets close Wednesday March 18 at midnight MST, and voting continues through early April.Go submit your bracket and start voting:freeoutside.comEpisodeToday on the Free Outside Podcast I talk with Cody Taylor, who has been diving deep into the world of unsupported long-distance trail adventures.Cody went from starting running during the pandemic to taking on massive unsupported efforts like:• The Bruce Trail (900 km)• The International Appalachian Trail• Planning an unsupported out-and-back of Vermont’s Long TrailWe talk about what it takes to go hundreds of miles completely unsupported, including gear, food planning, sleep deprivation, hallucinations, and the mental side of long solo efforts.Cody also shares his story of going from touring drummer to endurance athlete, building a coaching business with his wife, and why doing hard things in the wilderness can completely change how you see everyday life.It’s a fun conversation about pushing limits, learning the hard way, and figuring things out one long trail at a time.SponsorsJanjiCheck out the gear I use from Janji, including the AFO shorts and 2-in-1 shorts with great pockets.Visit janji.comGarage Grown GearEverything you need for trail running, backpacking, and thru-hiking.Check them out at garagegrowngear.comSawyerKnown for their water filters like the Sawyer Squeeze, but also their Stay Put sunscreen, which lasts all day on long runs and hikes.More Free OutsideWebsite: freeoutside.comNewsletter: freeoutside.substack.comPatreon: patreon.com/freeoutsideYou can also watch the film about my unsupported Colorado Trail FKT on Tubi.Chapters00:00 Outdoor March Madness05:00 Cody Taylor's Journey into Endurance Running08:00 Transition from Musician to Endurance Athlete11:00 The Challenges of Unsupported Adventures13:48 Mental Preparation and Coping Strategies16:54 Nutrition and Gear for Long Trails19:47 Experiences with Hallucinations and Wildlife22:45 Exploring the Bruce Trail25:40 Strengths and Future Projects40:23 Overcoming Challenges in FKT Attempts46:00 Training Philosophy: Grease the Groove50:34 Cody's Journey: From Hockey to Drumming55:12 Canadian Childhood and the Love for Hockey01:00:26 Building a Business Together01:06:51 Future Aspirations and Coaching PhilosophySupport our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    10,000 Miles on Foot, Madison Blagden’s Biggest Year Yet

    Madison Blagden joins me to break down one of the wildest hiking years I have ever heard of. In 2025, she completed a border-to-border Calendar Year Triple Crown, then kept going until she hit 10,071 miles on foot.We talk about how the goal evolved in real time, what it takes to hike that kind of mileage day after day, and how she handled injury, snow, isolation, grizzly country, and the mental toll of a full year spent moving forward. Madison also shares how she got into thru-hiking in the first place, from starting the PCT with almost no experience to building into one of the biggest hiking years ever.This one is about huge miles, trail life, identity, sacrifice, and what happens when you push so far that the whole experience starts to feel bigger than hiking.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Walker of the Year Nominee09:27 Transitioning from Trail to Everyday Life15:12 The Impact of the First Thru-Hike21:10 Living on the Road: Adventures and Challenges29:30 Navigating Trail Challenges36:20 Pushing Hiking Limits42:00 Starting the 2025 Journey48:44 The Journey Begins in Key West54:48 Transitioning to the PCT59:58 Navigating Challenges on the PCT01:04:45 Overcoming Injury and Setbacks01:15:35 Balancing Hiking with Content Creation01:20:41 Finding Spirituality in the WildernessSupport our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    The Wrong Turn That Shook Running

    This week on the Free Outside Podcast, I’m joined by Allison Mercer to talk about one of the strangest weekends the running world has seen in a while.Allison was in Atlanta covering the US Half Marathon Championships, but before the reporting even started she paced a marathon, took a hard fall at mile 16, finished the race covered in blood, and ended up getting stitches. Somehow that still wasn’t the craziest thing that happened.We break down the controversy from the championship race where the lead women followed a vehicle the wrong direction late in the race, how it affected the results, and why the reaction online got so heated. We also talk about what actually happened behind the scenes and why these situations are more complicated than they look on social media.After that we catch up on everything else happening in running right now, Black Canyon course records, Western States storylines, FKTs starting to heat up for the season, and Allison somehow explaining Barkley and FKTs to Olympic champion Cole Hocker over breakfast.It’s a mix of running news, chaos, and a little bit of perspective from two people who spend way too much time thinking about this sport.Thanks for watching and supporting the show.Support our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abChapters00:00 Marathon Weekend Recap03:45 Race Day Chaos and Injuries06:49 The Aftermath of the Race Incident10:01 Social Media Reactions and Accountability12:57 Understanding the Race Dynamics15:43 The Impact of the Incident on Athletes18:45 Community Response and Support21:50 Reflections on Empathy and Accountability24:47 Looking Ahead: Future Races and Events37:20 Emerging Trends in Running and Relatability40:48 Ultra Runner of the Year Predictions45:32 Growth of FKTs Globally52:21 The Race Purse Controversy56:40 Excitement for Race Season and RecommendationsSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    From Probation to Podiums - Overcoming

    Anthony Lee joins the Free Outside Podcast for a deep, honest conversation that starts in Vancouver, Washington (not Canada) and runs all the way to Boulder, Colorado, and 30 completed 100-milers.Anthony opens up about growing up sedentary, finding fitness through family, and the non-linear reality of turning your life around. We talk about bad decisions, real consequences, therapy, and the support system that helped him rebuild. Then we shift into what he does best, racing hard mountain ultras like Ouray 100 and Hurt 100, and why he keeps choosing the toughest courses.We also get into travel, his engagement story in Japan (yes, the ring lived in a fanny pack for two weeks), sponsorship, and how it actually happens, plus what Anthony would fix in trail running right now, from social media noise to making the sport more welcoming and more diverse.Topics we cover-Growing up in Vancouver, Washington and finding running later than most-Setbacks, consequences, and the role of therapy and family support-Moving to Colorado after winning High Lonesome 100-Why Anthony loves 100 milers (and why his race schedule is “chaotic”)-Favorite races, Yurei 100, Hurt 100, and what makes them special-The mental checklist for surviving low points in ultras-Engagement in Japan and traveling outside of race season-Diversity in trail running, barriers to entry, and representation-Sponsorship, persistence, and building a career as an athlete-What’s next, Golden Ticket races, Western States, Hardrock, and maybe BarkleyFollow Anthony online: https://www.instagram.com/anthonyclee94Support our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abChapters00:00 From Vancouver to Boulder: A Journey Begins08:50 Finding Fitness: The Shift from Sedentary to Active14:06 Overcoming Challenges: The Road to Trail Running20:37 Love and Support: The Engagement Story24:05 Racing Passion: The Ultra Running Experience29:53 Exploring the Challenge of Ultra Races34:02 Mental Strategies for Endurance Racing35:06 The State of Trail Running: Community and Inclusivity38:17 Diversity in Trail Running: Progress and Challenges42:24 Personal Experiences and Representation in Running47:13 Future Goals and Aspirations in Running50:11 The Journey to Sponsorship in Running55:23 How Running Transformed My Life57:41 Community and Support in RunningSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    High Performance Exerciser Jacob Banta

    Jacob Banta has spent years photographing the fastest runners in the sport.Now he’s racing them.After grinding as a privateer photographer, ski instructor, and self-sponsored athlete, Jacob earned a Golden Ticket at Terrawera 100K and punched his way into Western States.Follow Jacob Online: https://www.instagram.com/banta.visuals/Thumbnail photos from Ryan Thrower: @ryanthrower Jacob Banta: @banta.visualsWe talk about:-Losing money to chase the Golden Ticket-What elites actually do behind the scenes-Brain injuries from motocross-Why he stopped looking over his shoulder-The psychology of racing for position-Being a “pro exerciser”-And whether mayonnaise is the real performance enhancerThis is the story of someone who didn’t choose one lane, ignored his 7th grade coach, and built a life around movement, creativity, and trying really hard.Support our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    Jeff Galloway’s Legacy: Olympics, Run Walk Run, Meaning, and “Fill Your Dash”

    Jeff Galloway passed away on February 25, 2026 at age 80. He was a 1972 U.S. Olympian and the creator of the Run Walk Run method, the simple idea that made running feel possible for millions of people, from first time 5K runners to marathoners and ultrarunners.This episode starts with a short monologue about what Jeff’s legacy means, and why inspiration is not always about being the fastest. Sometimes it is about making the sport accessible, lowering the fear, and giving people a repeatable way to show up. I also share a line that has stuck with me, “fill your dash,” the idea that everything we do lives in that small space between the year we are born and the year we die.Before the replay, I read a piece Jeff sent me, “A Philosophy of Running,” where he writes about meaning, community, and why endurance can change a life. Then I roll straight into our full conversation from Month of Jeff. We talk about the post-goal low after the Olympics, building a life around helping others run, the origins of Run Walk Run, and how Jeff kept refining his method through decades of coaching and data.Rest in peace, Mr. Galloway. Thanks for teaching the world that running can belong to everyone.Support our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    Barkley Marathons for Valentines Day

    The conch shell blew at 5 a.m. and the 2026 Barkley Marathons began, this time in the anti clockwise direction and on Valentine’s Day.In this episode, I break down my full loop at Barkley, from the chaotic descent off Chimney Top to the long climb up Rat Jaw, the prison tunnel, Little Hell, navigation errors, and the final push back to camp just under 14 hours.I also share some of the lesser known history of the race, including how the Barkley nearly disappeared in 2006 before a Tennessee Senate resolution preserved it at Frozen Head State Park. A race born as a joke about a failed prison escape has become one of the most respected endurance tests in the world.This was a strong field. The weather was ideal. The direction was reversed. And for me, it ended with a fall, a hairline rib fracture, and a hard earned lesson.Barkley is never just about finishing. It is about small navigation wins, brutal climbs through thick leaves, and seeing how close you can get to your edge.And this year, it was also about spending Valentine’s Day collecting book pages with Allison.Sixteen books. Fourteen hours. One broken rib.The price we pay for love.Support our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    Barkley Marathons: A Recap with Allison, Map, Compass, Vert, Repeat

    We recorded this one on the drive home from Frozen Head State Park to Bozeman, while the mud is still on the shoes and the bruises are still fresh. Allison finally gets to talk about the last three months of secret training, the stress of learning map and compass, and what it is like to go from “I might get lost” to “I just found every book” in the same day.Find Allison's Substack: https://allisonhardingpowell.substack.com/We walk through the whole loop from the 6 a.m. start, the chaos at the first book, the long climb up Rat Jaw, and the moment it became clear the time cutoff was slipping away. Then it turns into something better than a time goal, a full team effort with the “Overtime Eight,” eight runners from around the world who worked together, found every page, and finished the loop together, hands on the gate.If you are curious about Barkley, this is a first-timer perspective on what matters most: why you want it, how to balance vert and navigation, how hard the book hunting really is, and why accessible calories can be the difference between moving and melting.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Journey Overview12:02 Balancing Work and Training17:20 Race Day Experience and Strategy28:34 Climbing Ratt Jaw and Race Reflections34:41 Navigating Challenges on the Course46:45 The Power of Group Dynamics54:03 Preparing for the UnexpectedSupport our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    Three Minutes of Chaos: Ski Mountaineering’s Olympic Debut, Explained

    Ski mountaineering is officially coming to the Olympics, and if you’ve never watched skimo before, this episode is your crash course.I’m joined by Max Valverde, former U.S. skimo athlete and NBC Olympic commentator, to break down how the sport works, why the Olympic version is so different from traditional backcountry skiing, and how the U.S. somehow snuck into medal contention at the last possible moment.We talk sprint races that last three minutes, transitions that decide medals in seconds, why these athletes are basically redlining past max heart rate, and how trail runners will instantly recognize the engine required to compete at this level. Max also explains the Cam Smith and Anna Gibson story, why transitions matter more than fitness alone, and what to watch for when the races go live.If you’re into trail running, endurance sports, or just want to understand what you’re watching when skimo debuts on the Olympic stage this February, this episode gives you everything you need.Chapters 04:21 Why ski mountaineering is in the Olympics05:05 What skimo is and how it differs from traditional racing06:55 Sprint vs mixed relay explained08:45 How the U.S. qualified at the last possible moment11:40 Cam Smith and Anna Gibson’s breakout race14:10 Why transitions decide races17:05 Boot packs, skins, and six-second chaos20:15 How mistakes cost medals23:10 Favorites and podium contenders26:40 Mixed relay medal math and U.S. upside30:30 Race strategy and pacing across heats34:15 Why skimo works as an Olympic spectator sport38:05 Calling the Olympics from NBC41:00 Final thoughts and wrap-upSupport our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    Barkley Marathons Before They Were Famous: With the First Finisher, Frozen Ed Furtaw

    In 1988, before the 100-mile version existed, before the conch shell start became legend, before the documentaries and global fame, one man proved the Barkley Marathons could be finished.Frozen Ed was the first person to ever finish the Barkley. Not the 100-miler. The original three-loop race that no one thought was possible.In this episode we talk about:– What Barkley was really like in the 80s– The story of Tom Possert and the missed summit– How the book pages became part of the race– When the 100-mile version was born– The Soviet invasion year– The prison apprehension story– How the course has evolved and gotten harder– Why Laz says he’s not trying to make it the toughest race in the world– The real energy cost of Barkley– And why endurance athletes need to protect their heartsThis is a history lesson, a philosophy lesson, and a reminder that Barkley has always lived at the limit of what’s possible.If you love the mystique of Barkley, this is required listening.Support our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    Barkley Marathons 2026: The race explained, and I’m Running It

    The Barkley Marathons is designed to sit right on the edge of possible. Sixty hours. Five loops. Nearly all off trail. No GPS. No course markings. Books hidden in the woods. A cigarette lights the start.In 2021, I stepped onto the course and heard Taps play when my race ended. In 2026, I’m lining up again.In this episode, I break down what Barkley actually is, how it started under at Brushy Mountain, why it keeps getting harder, and what makes it different from every other 100 miler on the planet. We talk navigation, the fun run, the infamous virgin sacrifice, the conch shell, the secretive entry process, and why even legends like John Kelly can get stopped at three loops.But more than that, this is about why anyone would go back.Barkley is not about speed. It is not about splits. It is about finding your limit in a world where almost nothing forces you to.And in 2026, I’m going to try again.Chapters00:00 The Origins of the Barkley Marathons02:51 The Challenge and Difficulty of the Race05:47 The Unique Entry Process and Race Structure08:50 Navigating the Course: Skills and Strategies12:09 Mental Toughness and the Experience of Running15:04 The Community and Culture of the Barkley Marathons18:11 Inspiration and the Future of the Barkley MarathonsSupport our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    From Turkey Trot to Black Canyon: The Madison Liechty Story

    Madison Liechty joins the Free Outside Podcast and we keep the promise of no hard questions for about five seconds. We talk about her very normal Montana childhood (no horses to school, sorry), how one turkey trot convinced her friend Makena Morley to start coaching her toward big marathon goals, and why the trail world, where you can eat bacon mid-race, ended up being a better fit.Follow Madison on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/madison_liechtyThen it gets unexpectedly real. Madison explains living her whole life unable to burp, how that made long trail races brutal from a fueling standpoint, and how getting treated for R-CPD flipped everything. Suddenly, she can actually eat deep into efforts, trail running gets fun, and she wins her first 100 miler. Now she’s heading into Black Canyon with her dad pacing the last miles, plus bigger dreams on the horizon like Hardrock and UTMB.We also get into Bozeman training culture, 5 a.m. long runs, pacing her dad at a stack of hundred milers, a grizzly encounter in the Beartooths, and her long-term vision: keep building as a trail runner, and someday open the post-adventure bakery truck Bozeman needs.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Background06:06 Early Running Journey11:14 Transition to Trail Running16:05 Overcoming Challenges in Trail Running21:03 The Impact of Medical Issues on Performance26:00 Baking Dreams and Future Aspirations30:50 The Bakery Dream32:00 Afternoon Running Revelation33:11 Pacing and Family Bonds36:21 Black Canyon Race Reflections41:32 Future Goals in Trail Running48:19 Balancing Engineering and Running50:06 Wildlife Encounters in the Wild West52:55 Training with Fast FriendsSupport our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    Sub-4 Miler to Black Canyon 100K: The Zach Perrin Story

    Zach Perrin has run 3:59 for the mile, then promptly got humbled by his first trail race in road shoes and swore he would never do it again. Now he is all-in on ultras, dialing sweat rate and sodium, and lining up at Black Canyon with a golden ticket on the mind. We talk sub-4 race strategy, the “panic point” in the mile, ego-check moments on the trails, and what it actually takes to run well for seven to eight hours.Follow Zach online: https://www.instagram.com/zach_perrin/Chapters 02:00 What a Sub-4 Mile Actually Feels Like05:00 The Mile’s Panic Point vs Ultra Pain08:00 From Montana to CU and Early Running Roots12:00 Leaving Track and Finding the Trails16:00 Getting Humbled in His First Trail Race20:00 Letting Go of Pace Ego and Learning Effort26:00 Fueling, Sweat Rate, and Fixing 100K Mistakes33:00 Adam Peterman, CU, and Training With the Best40:00 Black Canyon 100K Strategy and Golden Ticket Goals52:00 Staying Calm, Mental Approach, and What’s NextSupport our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    White Mountains Stories and a Retreat Invite

    The White Mountains have a special talent for making strong hikers question their life choices, and their mileage math. In this episode, I’m joined by Eli Burakian and Justin Chapman, the brains behind Northeast Trail Adventures, to break down what makes the Northeast so rugged, so beloved, and so different from anywhere else.Sign up for the retreat: https://northeasttrailadventures.com/We dig into Moosilauke as the first true alpine-style summit for northbound AT hikers, the old-school trail design philosophy (straight up, minimal mercy), and the culture shift where vert matters more than pace. Then we get into the wild story of the Mount Ascutney Vertical Backyard, a last-person-standing race that went a jaw-dropping 90 hours, and somehow turned race directing into an ultra of its own.After that, we talk about something more important than suffering, community. I’m officially joining Northeast Trail Adventures as a leader for their White Mountains running and hiking retreat (June 5 weekend at Hub North), a low-pressure, all-abilities weekend built around moving efficiently in the mountains, learning from experienced leaders, and hanging out like normal humans at night with meals, stories, and whatever game ends friendships.If you want an entry point to the Whites that’s fun, supportive, and not gatekeep-y, this is it. Retreat spots are limited, and Free Outside listeners can use FREE OUTSIDE for $100 off.Chapters00:00 Introduction to the Northeast Hiking Experience06:41 Personal Connections to the White Mountains11:48 Launching Northeast Trail Adventures21:45 The Unique Vertical Backyard Race32:26 Reflections on the Race and Future Plans34:03 Community Building in the Whites39:18 Retreat Structure and Activities55:43 Inspiring Stories and Personal Experiences01:04:35 Future Events and OpportunitiesFind Northeasttrailadventures.com on social media https://www.instagram.com/northeasttrailadventuresSupport our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    Black Canyon 100k Preview: Burritos, Banked Tracks, and Golden Tickets

    Allison Mercer drops a one-month-in “ins and outs of 2026” list that should be printed and taped to every smartphone: ranting to your phone is out, solutions and actual dialogue are in. From the chaos of Burrito League to the hype of the Millrose Games, we bounce between weather-whiplash field reporting, race-culture grievances (selfie sticks, pacers, entitlement), and a very biased Black Canyon 100K preview with picks, storylines, and the important reminder that community is built by showing up, not shouting into the void.Chapters00:00 2026: A Year of Change and Observations02:43 Ranting vs. Solutions: A New Approach05:32 Weather Woes: A Running Perspective07:23 Running Czar: Changes in the Race World10:18 Behind the Scenes: Understanding Race Logistics11:49 Personal Achievements: Racing Stories and Reflections15:12 Bucket List Dreams: Olympic Aspirations17:55 Community Engagement: The Burrito League Experience21:44 Milrose Games: Indoor Track Insights32:54 Racing Dynamics and Athlete Strategies38:54 Emerging Talents and Competitive Landscape43:52 Youth in Sports: Pressure and Performance45:38 The Impact of Betting on Professional Sports49:54 Trail Running: Anticipation for Black Canyon58:00 Golden Ticket Races: Opportunities and Challenges01:03:48 Women's Race Preview: Anticipation and Insights01:06:31 Key Athletes to Watch: Molly Seidel and Tara Dower01:09:37 Emerging Talents: Jade and Shai's Breakout Potential01:14:11 Race Strategies and Turnarounds: Caitriona Jennings and Others01:18:54 Marathoners Transitioning to Ultra: Des Linden's Debut01:23:42 Strava Insights: The New Age of Training Analysis01:26:42 Final Thoughts: Predictions and Weekend HighlightsSupport our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

  32. 184

    Ben Dhiman: From Sleeping by the River to UTMB

    Ben Dhiman has one of the best names in the sport, and he actually earned it. We talk nicknames, alter egos, and the wild cat energy he taps into when racing, then rewind to the thru hiking years that shaped his brain, his grit, and his need to keep pushing the edge. From the AT and CDT to the Hayduke and a full-on Himalayan mission in Nepal, Ben explains why big adventures can be both glorious and miserable, and why thru hiking can “ruin you” in the best and worst ways.Then we follow the pivot into trail running, pacing Hardrock almost by accident, showing up to races undertrained on hiking fitness and stubborn confidence, and eventually forcing the door down in Europe the old-school way, by racing hard and winning. We also get into family, balancing ambition with real life, his coaching philosophy, and why he treats winter as an off season where the work goes up and the pounding goes down.Chapters00:00 The Origins of the 'Demon' Nickname05:34 Mental Clarity Through Hiking08:25 The Impact of Thru-Hiking on Personal Growth11:38 Transitioning to Trail Running14:37 The Journey to Becoming a Competitive Runner17:34 Navigating the World of Sponsorships20:25 Racing in Europe vs. America23:23 The Challenge of Proving Oneself26:16 The Evolution of Thru-Hiking Experiences30:49 Navigating the Wilderness: From Maps to Experience33:18 The Call of the Himalayas: Planning the Adventure35:06 Challenges in the Himalayas: Red Tape and Realities37:58 Surviving the Elements: A Tale of Perseverance41:43 The Role of Guides: Navigating Culture and Communication43:24 Resupply Strategies: Making the Most of Local Resources45:29 Reflections on Thru-Hiking: Contentment and Progression49:35 Shifting Focus: From Thru-Hiking to Ultra Running56:22 The Addictive Nature of Adventure: Community vs. Solitude56:53 The Community of Thru-Hiking01:00:28 Mental States in Long-Distance Hiking01:05:57 The Dynamics of Team vs. Solo Hiking01:12:37 Coaching and Evolving as an Athlete01:19:05 Skiing as a Complement to Running01:20:56 The Journey of Thru-Hiking and Ultra Running01:21:28 Living Abroad and Competitive Spirit in SportsSupport our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    Consistency Beats Intensity: Action over Noise

    I’ve struggled to record this episode. Lately, it’s been harder to run, harder to feel motivated, and harder to know what to do in a world that feels increasingly loud, divided, and unjust.This episode is about words without action, the illusion of impact created by social media, and the lessons the trail has taught me about accountability, humility, and real work. Community isn’t built by the loudest voices. It’s built by the people who show up when no one is watching.If you’re angry, frustrated, or unsure where to put that energy, this is my attempt to talk through it.Chapters00:00 The Challenge of Communication in a Noisy World02:58 Words vs. Actions: The Need for Authenticity06:06 The Importance of Community and Real Impact08:56 Harnessing Emotions for Positive Change11:51 The Role of Consistency in Achieving Goals15:13 Navigating Authority and Accountability17:43 The Slow Path to Progress and Real ChangeSupport our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

  34. 182

    Triple Crown, Double Tahoe, One Jeffrey

    In this episode, I sit down with Krista, winner of the Jeffrey Award for Most Tragic FKT, to talk about what might be the happiest tragic FKT of all time. We start with the infamous double Tahoe Rim Trail effort, an adventure that was never officially recognized, never really meant to be an FKT, and somehow still earned an award. From there, the conversation spirals in the best possible way.We get into thru-hiking origins, trail names, COVID-era Appalachian Trail chaos, living in vehicles, selling bikes in Poland, walking across Europe, scary moments on trail, bear encounters, ultra running detours, and the strange emotional comedown that follows big goals. Krista is thoughtful, honest, funny, and self-aware in a way that makes this episode feel less like an interview and more like two people trying to understand why we keep choosing hard, inconvenient adventures.We also accidentally pitch a thru-hiker assisted living facility, question the economics of adventure, and agree that sometimes the process matters more than the recognition. This is one of those conversations that reminds me why I love long trails, long runs, and talking to people who are willing to build unconventional lives around curiosity and movement.Follow Krista on Instagra: https://www.instagram.com/kristafas/Chapters00:00 The Tragic FKT Award01:54 The Tahoe Rim Trail Experience03:50 Travel Adventures and Countries Visited06:52 Biking vs. Hiking: A Personal Preference09:52 The European Adventure: From Biking to Hiking12:44 Challenges and Changes in Travel Plans15:32 Scary Moments on the Trail18:29 The Journey of Thru-Hiking21:51 COVID-19 and the AT Experience25:45 The PCT and CDT: A New Chapter29:35 Post-Triple Crown Adventures31:35 Transitioning to Ultra Running32:56 The Journey into Ultra Running35:02 The Draw to Challenging Adventures37:12 Coping with Post-Trail Depression39:00 Living the Adventure Lifestyle42:01 Making Sacrifices for Adventure45:01 Life Lessons from Thru-Hiking50:33 Transformative Experiences in Nature53:38 Wildlife Encounters and Their Impact57:03 Innovative Ideas for the Future of Adventure01:02:59 Introduction to Outdoor Adventures01:03:28 Sponsorships and Support for the ShowSupport our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

  35. 181

    My Mom Got Me a Coach (It Was Hayden Hawks)

    Today on the Free Outside Podcast, I’m joined by Coleman Cragun, the winner of the Jeffrey Derrick Lytle Award, which is an honor with a proud tradition and a clear meaning (none of that is true). Coleman is an up and coming trail talent with the most relaxed confidence imaginable, and a nickname that may or may not stick: The Kraken.We get into Coleman’s origin story, including the moment he saw the Southern Utah University team running tempos, held the gap, and decided, “I can do this.” From there it became a yearlong grind: emailing the coach for qualifying times, self-coaching off podcasts, and then his mom stepping in to find him a coach in Cedar City. That coach was Hayden Hawks, which Coleman somehow did not realize was a big deal at the time. Hayden helped him hit the marks, showed up with a stopwatch, and even emailed proof to the coach. Coleman walked on ready to travel, compete, and immediately level up his goals.Then we bounce into the trail side: why the mountains pulled him in, the summer of living on trails in places like the Sawtooths, chasing Strava crowns, and eventually committing fully to the sport. Coleman breaks down the biggest transition from college running to ultras (fitness matters, but nutrition, pacing, and durability decide everything), tells stories from racing and training in Thailand with Hayden (including a fall that cost him the win), and talks through the nerves and excitement of stepping up to the 100K at Black Canyon with golden ticket dreams.We also cover what the grind actually looks like when you have a full-time job, a long commute, double runs, and no time to eat like a normal human. Plus, the most unhinged training environment imaginable: working at a fishing lodge in Alaska and running ten miles at 11 pm on a dock where 20 laps equals one mile, until one night he found bears at the turnaround and ended up sleeping in a boat in the rain.It’s a fun one, and Coleman is the real deal. If you like stories about earning it the hard way, learning the trail game, and chasing big goals without taking yourself too seriously, you’ll like this episode.Follow Coleman on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/coleman_cragun/Support our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    Dylisms and being REALLY REALLY good at Exercising

    Comedic impressionist Dylisms is here. He has LOUDLY become one of the funniest voices in trail running by doing spot-on (and occasionally unhinged) impressions of the sport we all take way too seriously.We get into how he makes viral running videos using nothing but his phone, his car, and pure chaos, why he waited to run an ultra before posting running content, and how trail running compares to climbing, skating, and just… exercising for a really long time. Along the way, he drops impressions of commentators, influencers, philosophers, cops, firefighters, and anyone else who’s wandered into the ultrarunning cinematic universe.We also talk about award season absurdity, influencer culture, $200 shirts with holes in them, farting during ultras, and whether trail running is actually a sport or just very committed cardio. This one goes fully off the rails in the best way.If you’ve ever thought “we might be taking this a little too seriously,” this episode is for you.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Dylisms and Impressions05:04 The Art of Voiceovers and Equipment Setup07:56 Favorite Impressions and Character Exploration10:51 Challenges in Impersonation and Method Acting13:39 Transitioning from Climbing to Running Content16:47 Community Reception and Content Creation Process19:55 Humor in Running and Climbing Culture22:46 Reflections on Storylines in Trail Running24:43 Trail Running: A Selfish Pursuit26:56 The Evolution of Running Culture29:36 Moth Tech and Running Fashion32:22 Impersonations and Humor in the Sport36:51 The Seriousness of Ultra Running40:56 Universal Basic Gel Allowance41:45 Closing Thoughts and ReflectionsSupport our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

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    Olympians Are Winning Trail Races Now, So What Happens Next?

    I’m back with Allison Mercer, my correspondent on everything, and we start with the most important news of the week: I apparently lost another award, and I am not interested in being reminded about 2025 when we are already deep into 2026.From there we get into World Cross Country Championships, which somehow had a full Florida theme including obstacle chaos, heat, and a crowd that sounded like 10,000 people yelling nonstop. We talk about what made the broadcast work, why team scoring makes the whole field matter, and why cross country in the Winter Olympics would be the best kind of mess.Then we pivot to the trail world heating up early, with Olympians popping over to trails, Burrito League spreading like a virus, and the golden ticket chase being the kind of storyline we actually want more of. We end with ideas for how running media can get better fast: less six-month pre-race content, more post-race coverage, more crew perspective, and please, for the love of everything, mic people up.If you want the sport to be more fun, more human, and more watchable, this is the blueprint. Or at least a rant disguised as a blueprint.Chapters00:00 The Award Dilemma and New Beginnings08:02 World Cross Country Championships: A Florida Experience11:03 The Evolution of Cross Country Broadcasting14:10 The Future of Cross Country in the Olympics17:00 Trail Running: New Faces and Fresh Perspectives20:11 The Shift from Road to Trail Running23:37 The Burrito League Phenomenon26:26 Molly Seidel's Transition to Ultra Running29:38 The Importance of Community in Running32:26 Future Trends in Endurance Sports36:48 Exciting Developments in Running Events38:21 Training for the 100K Championship Team39:59 Planning for Success in Ultra Running42:05 Exploring Potential in Ultra Running44:32 The Future of Trail Running Events48:10 Humanizing Athletes in the Sport53:11 Innovative Coverage in Trail Running54:14 The Roach Approach and Its Impact58:06 Post-Race Coverage and Athlete ReflectionsSupport our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

  38. 178

    Do the Stupid Thing (Why Fun Matters More Than Optimization)

    At some point, a lot of us stop doing things just because they’re fun.We start asking if it’s productive, if it makes sense, or if it leads somewhere. And if it doesn’t, we quietly stop. In this episode, I talk about why I think that’s a mistake.From running winter laps on Main Street for Burrito League, to racing in Crocs, wearing a tiger hoodie, thru-hiking instead of getting a normal job, and caring way too much about sports teams that don’t know I exist, a lot of the best things in my life would look stupid on paper. And they’re still worth doing.This episode is about choosing play, joy, and curiosity even when it doesn’t make sense to anyone else. Not everything has to be optimized. Not everything has to be impressive. Sometimes the stupid thing is the thing that keeps you showing up.Chapters00:00 Embracing the Joy of Stupidity05:21 The Pressure of Optimization10:54 Community and Competition in Fun15:44 The Value of Doing Dumb Things16:10 The Importance of Playfulness in Endurance Sports18:06 Finding Joy in the Journey20:53 Embracing the 'Dumb' Things in LifeSupport our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure #DoTheStupidThing #FreeOutside #Ultrarunning #TrailRunning #BurritoLeague

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    Make It Make Sense: World Cross Country, Burrito League, and Running Media Losing the Plot

    The Free Outside Show is back for the new year, and I’m joined by our correspondent on everything, Allison Mercer. We’re doing the exact opposite of the usual “five months from now” preview content that other podcasts are doing, and instead talking about what’s actually happening this weekend: Bandera (with Molly Seidel), Houston Marathon for the OTQ watch, and why you should care about World Cross Country in Tallahassee (yes, it’s watchable on Peacock, yes, team tactics make it way more fun than you think, and yes, there are statue alligators on the course).From there, we get into the real chaos: Burrito League expansion, why it works as an “anyone can play” running challenge, and how these community-wide games can be more accessible than the typical big-race ecosystem. Then we go full rant mode on year-end lists, award season fatigue, media bias, and why FKT stories often get misunderstood or flattened by outlets that do not actually live in that world. We also touch on sponsorship transparency, influencer economics, West Coast bias, and why the sport would be better off funding real coverage of barrier-breaking performances instead of paying for interchangeable promo codes. New year, same old us. Racing is back, and we have thoughts.Chapters00:00 Racing Resumes: Exciting Events Ahead05:30 The Thrill of Cross Country Championships08:38 Understanding Cross Country Scoring and Team Dynamics10:46 The Burrito League: A Unique Running Challenge13:42 The Influence of Social Media on Running Culture16:43 The Bias in Trail Running Media and Awards19:49 The Importance of FKTs in the Running Community22:40 The East vs. West Coast Debate in Trail Running25:48 The Shift in Sponsorships and Influencer Culture28:43 The Future of Trail Running Events and Coverage31:44 World Championships and the Impact of Air Quality35:34 Looking Ahead: Goals for 2026Support our Sponsors: Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSawyer Products: https://sawyerdirect.net/collections/stay-put-sunblock#RunningMedia #trailrunning #ultrarunning #runningpodcast #WorldCrossCountry #crosscountryrunning #BurritoLeague #fkt #runningcommunity #sportsmedia Subscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside

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    Before You Set Your Next Big Goal

    Endurance sports give me structure when life feels chaotic. Miles are measurable. Effort makes sense. Pain feels productive. For a while, that clarity can feel like purpose.In this episode, I zoom out on the uncomfortable truth that endurance sports have limits. The miles don’t fix self-worth, resolve identity, or heal everything we try to bury under training. I talk about what happens when the goal stops working, not because of injury or burnout, but because motivation quietly expires. Through stories from the Calendar Year Triple Crown, the Great Western Loop, and learning to slow down, this is an honest look at why I chase big goals and how I’m trying to keep doing hard things for the right reasons.Sponsors: Sawyer, Janji, Garage Grown Gear, CS Instant Coffee.Support our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://www.sawyer.com/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abChapters00:00 The Journey into Endurance Sports02:58 Understanding Motivation and Its Limits12:01 The Role of Endurance Sports in Self-Discovery18:43 Finding Meaning Beyond Goals26:12 Reflecting on Personal Growth and Future DirectionsSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside

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    FKT of the Year Acceptance Speech

    I didn’t expect to win FKT of the Year for the Appalachian Trail, but here we are.This video is not about splits, miles per day, or how fast the record was. It’s about the decade-long path that led to it. From leaving college in 2011 and discovering thru-hiking, to years of chasing adventure while trying to fit into a traditional career, to hitting some of the lowest points of my life, including suicidal depression, and finding my way back through the outdoors.The Appalachian Trail has been a thread running through my entire adult life. The structure of long days, defined goals, resupply points, and moving forward one step at a time makes sense to my brain in a way the outside world often doesn’t. Trails gave me a place to belong when I didn’t feel like I fit anywhere else.I also talk honestly about 2020, canceled plans, working at a grocery store, feeling like a failure, and how nothing about this journey was overnight. Just chipping away, year after year, at something I loved, even when it felt impossible.We also raised over $43,000 for the Trevor Project during this FKT. That mattered more to me than any award. It was proof that people care, that kindness is real, and that we all belong, even when things feel loud, divided, or overwhelming.This is a reflection on why the doing matters more than the accomplishment, why praise is hard for me to sit with, and why I believe if you truly love something, you’re willing to keep showing up for it, regardless of the outcome.Thank you to everyone who supported this journey, donated, followed along, and showed kindness.Sponsors and supporters:SawyerJanjiGarage Grown GearCS CoffeeReadyWiseMount to coastAs always, we can all be our own version of elite.Stay elite, my friends.Support our Sponsors: Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside

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    The Jeffrey Awards: FKTs, Controversy, and Absolute Chaos

    The conversation revolves around the Jeffrey Awards, celebrating achievements in ultra running, including new race directors, controversies, tragic FKTs, and the Walker of the Year award. The hosts discuss various nominees and their stories, highlighting the challenges and triumphs within the ultra running community. In this engaging conversation, Jeff Garmire and Derrick Lytle explore various themes in ultra running, including speed debates, the merits of double versus single track, and the significance of awards in the community. The Jeffrey Awards – Categories & NomineesMost Obvious New Race DirectorJoe CorcioneTim TollefsonDylan Bowman (added a 100K, Big Alta)Carl Laniak (took over Barkley Marathons)Finn Melanson (Antelope Island Buffalo Run)We Should Be Your Publicist AwardGrand Slam TrackCandice Burt2025 IAU 50K World Championships (canceled two weeks out)Black Canyon 100K (cheating scandal)Most Tragic FKTBecca Bergstrom – multiple PCT attempts, quick failuresJohn Kelly – quit the AT a few hundred miles from the endKristian Morgan – approximately his 128th AT attemptEric Hallsten – quit Washington after averaging ~70 MPDKrista Hallsten – fastest supported double TRT, not recognized, therefore “doesn’t count”Walker of the YearA.J. Waller (Cocodona 250)Matt Johnson (Texas 1000)Troy Croxdale (“Punisher”)Madison Blagden (“Peg Leg”)Andrea Moore (six 200+ mile races)Lyla Harrod (Appalachian Trail FKT)Finally It Happened AwardKilian Jornet uses unlimited resources for an unmatchable FKTFrançois D’Haene loses an FKT (Nolan’s 14 to David Hedges)Ryan Montgomery finally earns a Golden Ticket after global race hoppingSalt Lake City gets a Western States winnerFastest Camera OperatorJacob BantaDrew DarbyDerrick LyttleJeff PelletierMatt ShapiroForgot It Happened AwardSeth Ruhling course record at Black CanyonChipotle ShowdownDavid Roche ran Western States (kind of)Unbreakable movie attemptGorge 100K Worlds qualifierCourtney Dauwalter DNF at CocodonaDouble Track vs Singletrack AwardDouble TrackSingletrackWho Is That AwardWill MurraySarah Perry (395 miles)Caitriona Jennings (Tunnel Hill, 100-mile world record)Most Destroyed TrailAny trail an e-bike touchesArizona TrailOwner of Zona (King of Arizona)Candice Burt – Arizona MonsterJamil Coury – AravaipaAbby Hall – Western StatesJim WalmsleySadie Curry – AZT FKTCourtney Dauwalter vs Jim Walmsley AwardEast Coaster of the YearDan Green (Cocodona)Canyon Woodward (Golden Ticket)David SinclairTori Constantine (“Chewy”, Long Trail FKT)Xander KeiterAndrew Drummond (White Mountain Direttissima)Weird Moment of the YearDavid Roche giving up his Golden TicketCandice Burt doxxing someone on livestreamKilian Jornet crowd sourcing his next FKTMost Air Time AwardChris WardenLeah YinglingA.J. WallerCorrine MalcolmJoe CorcioneHypocritical Hero AwardMichelino Sunseri pardonedRuth Chepngetich doping ban one year after world recordHayden Hawks Ultra Runner of the Year AwardCaleb OlsonHans TroyerJeff MogaveroTara DowerKatie SchideAbby HallMegan Eckert (six-day world record, 603 miles)Bezos Most Expensive Breakup AwardKatie Schide leaving TNFJeff Browning leaving AltraTrend of the YearIcy kiddie poolsLying about Zone 2 paceMoving across the countryLivestream everythingRunning a marathon againInfluencer of the YearDavid PoachNick BareDavid GogginsCam HanesJeff PelletierMike WardianMax JolliffeMost Pointless MilesJamil CouryKevin RussMatt JohnsonAndy GlazeDerrick Lytle AwardJeff of the Year (Audience Nominated)Jeff MogaveroJeff GallowayJeff GarmireKatie SchideSupport our Sponsors: Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8ab

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    Rebuilding the Jeff Brand: Tights, Treehouses, Technical Chaos, and The Mahoosuc Traverse

    Jeff Colt is back, calling in from Carbondale with a mission to help rehabilitate the name “Jeff” one mountain town conversation at a time. We start with winter training reality in ski country, how to keep momentum when the days are short, the “subsistence” weeks that quietly save your season, and the eternal debate of pants, tights, and looking cool versus staying warm. From there it turns into a bigger conversation about identity, planning, uncertainty, and why the simplest answer sometimes is “we just have Jeff,” so we might as well make it a good one.Then we head straight into the good stuff, the White Mountains and the Mahoosuc Traverse, where “running” becomes scrambling, crawling, and three points of contact through the Mahoosuc Notch. Jeff breaks down the history and the legends (including Chris Getz and the steak stop), why style matters as much as speed in FKTs, and how different eras and ethics shape what we celebrate. We close with one of the most fun tangents of the whole Month of Jeff, what it is really like working in the AMC huts, from responsibility in dangerous weather to full-on blanket-folding skits, including Harry Potter and Frozen, all in service of three sacred rules: fold the blankets, pack out the trash, and tip the hut crew.Support our Sponsors: Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abChapters00:00 The Jeff Identity Crisis06:19 Winter Training in Mountain Towns09:18 Exploring the Mahusik Range12:37 The Legacy of Chris Getz15:27 Navigating the Mahusik Notch18:29 Style and FKT Philosophy22:00 The Challenge of Self-Supported FKTs24:56 Planning and Uncertainty in Adventure27:57 The Evolution of Trail Running Style42:22 Exploring Style in Trail Running44:16 The Debate on Supported vs. Unsupported47:43 The Evolution of Trail Running50:54 Killian Jornet: The Pinnacle of Trail Running54:43 Authenticity in Trail Running58:30 The Role of Creativity in Trail Running01:03:31 Life Lessons from Working in the HutsSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside

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    Roadside America With Ordinary Jeff: Prairie Chickens, Hot Dogs, and Teddy Roosevelt

    This week on the Free Outside Podcast, I am joined by Jeff Eklund, an “ordinary Jeff” calling in from North Carolina who quickly proves he is anything but ordinary. We kick things off with a Jeff quiz show where every answer is a different Jeff, and it immediately derails into the best kind of chaos.Jeff shares his winding path into running, including randomly ripping a 3:16 at Chicago in his 40s, qualifying for Boston (and skipping it because life happened), then stepping away before coming back strong after knee replacements. He talks about what it felt like to start running again, why he refuses to accept “don’t run” as a life sentence, and his current mission to break two hours in the half marathon while stalking the competition on Strava like a proper veteran.Then we shift into the second life arc, Jeff and his wife selling basically everything during COVID, moving into a 27-foot Airstream, and traveling to 47 states. We talk minimalism, Facebook Marketplace hustle, getting “pulled around” the country by life, and the underrated places that surprised him most, from Rhode Island to Arizona to the hidden gems of Nebraska.Somewhere in the middle, Jeff goes full historian and takes us deep into his obsession with Theodore Roosevelt (the strenuous life, Rough Riders lore, the teddy bear origin story, and meeting a TR impersonator in North Dakota that turns into a legit hike). We also get a side quest on Fred Harvey restaurants, Harvey Girls, and old-school American road culture, plus a list of roadside oddities that feels like a hallucination timeline from mile 20 of a marathon.We wrap with a quick masterclass in sales (relationships, listening, and handling rejection), lessons Jeff wishes he knew when he was younger, and a perfect cherry on top story about Brooks customer service, a surprise signed Scott Jurek book, and the greatest accidental Instagram mix-up of all time.If you like running, reinvention, road trips, American history tangents, and a guest who can turn one question into six stories, this one is for you.Chapters00:00 The Jeff Quiz Show Begins04:52 Jeff Eklund's Journey into Running07:49 Overcoming Challenges and Finding Motivation10:50 The Impact of Family on Running13:45 Rediscovering the Love for Running16:42 Transitioning to Life in an Airstream19:28 Selling Everything and Embracing Minimalism22:23 Exploring the Open Road and Human Connection24:56 Theodore Roosevelt: A Personal Connection26:29 Meeting the Impersonator: A Unique Encounter28:47 The Legacy of Theodore Roosevelt30:23 The Teddy Bear Origin Story31:40 The Strenuous Life Philosophy33:40 Fred Harvey and the Railroad Era37:24 The Harvey Girls: Pioneers of the West39:07 Underrated States: Personal Reflections41:34 Hidden Gems in the Midwest45:20 Exploring Unique Destinations48:13 The Art of Selling50:29 Reflections on Youth and Education55:10 Customer Service and Personal Connections01:00:18 Celebrating Ordinary HeroesSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside

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    Ultra Running Then vs Now: Jeff Browning vs Jeff Garmire

    Vote on the Jeffrey Awards: https://forms.gle/zC29GEAgUJBKNn8T6I brought the cowboy hat out for this one, because Month of Jeff needed full giddy up vibes. Jeff “Bronco Billy” Browning is back, and we go everywhere: Cocodona’s weird and wonderful rise into a spectator cult phenomenon, the tiny weather window that makes that race possible, and what it feels like when you are having one of those perfect days in a hundred.Jeff talks about his best races ever (including a scorching San Diego 100 and a 19:33 at Wasatch), and what actually made them click, training blocks, timing, and yes, a little luck. We also get nerdy and practical with an underrated, overrated, properly rated game, covering trail super shoes (carbon on trail, and why the foam matters more), heat training, speedwork for ultra runners (hello zone 3), and why you have to practice race nutrition in training if you want race day to feel automatic.Then we time travel to the early 2000s when ultra gear was basically a fishing vest era, handheld bottles ruled, poles were not a thing, and race nutrition was gels, S-caps, and hope. Jeff shares how mentorship and group long runs shaped the scene back then, and why adventure running and storytelling still matter more than a stat on a results page.We also get into the realities of long efforts and sleep deprivation, including why Jeff would choose self-supported if he goes long again (less complaining, more problem solving). And yes, there are animal stories, including some genuinely terrifying mountain lion encounters, plus the lightning strike moment at Hardrock that led to one of the most ultrarunning reasons ever to change your earrings.To close it out, Jeff breaks down how he made hundreds work while raising a family, with a simple framework: flexible training, non-negotiable family time, and getting creative with when long runs happen. We finish with what is next, some training races, Cocodona, a Western States swing, and the itch to do more adventure style projects.Sponsors: Janji, Garage Grown Gear, CS CoffeeChapters00:00 Introduction and Background05:48 Cocodona 250: Growth and Popularity08:38 Memorable Races and Personal Bests11:51 The Mental and Physical Toll of Long Distances14:44 Self-Supported vs. Supported Racing17:48 The Shift in Running Focus: Adventure vs. Competition20:55 The Importance of Storytelling in Running23:51 Training Insights: Speedwork and Nutrition28:29 Preparing for Race Day: The Importance of Training Camps30:00 Evolution of Gear: Trends from the Early 2000s33:09 Nutrition and Hydration: Lessons from the Past35:46 The Social Aspect of Ultra Running: Mentorship and Community39:43 From Hobby to Career: The Journey of an Ultra Runner42:36 Race Directing: The Challenges and Rewards45:42 Wildlife Encounters: Stories from the Trail55:18 Balancing Family Life and Ultra Running56:10 Balancing Work and Family Life59:00 Creating Quality Family Time01:02:58 Navigating Technology and Family Connections01:03:50 The Story Behind the Earrings01:10:13 Future Plans and Upcoming Races01:18:39 Introduction and Community Connection01:22:40 The Importance of Supportive Relationships01:26:49 Fostering a Positive CommunitySubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside

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    From “Someday” to “Now”: Jeffs of the Appalachian Trail

    The Month of Jeff keeps rolling, and today we are giving the thru-hiking world some love. I tracked down a Jeff who just finished the Appalachian Trail in 2025, Jeff Coull, the guy behind the coullbean.com blog.Jeffreys Nomination Form: https://forms.gle/FiW9ZKNpiXoWb8MJ8Follow Jeff on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/coullbean/Jeff wanted to hike the AT for almost a decade, but in 2024 it stopped being a “someday” goal and became a “need to.” We talk about the scariest part of committing to a long trail, the conversation with his girlfriend Robin, and how doing something huge does not have to come from tragedy or running away from your life.We get into the details that make a thru hike real: early mistakes (starting too fast, an ankle ligament barking, a sleeping pad that died for two straight weeks), figuring out resupplies when you are basically learning in public, and the constant debate between pop tarts and protein. There is also a strong case made for frozen burritos thawing on the outside of your pack, plus the harsh reality of FarOut water comments when Maine is dry.Jeff carried a “Robin Rock” most of the trail, hid it in plant photos to see if she would notice, and accidentally created a recurring side quest by leaving it behind and coordinating a rescue mission. He also carried a sealed ICE letter from Robin all the way to Katahdin and only opened it on top, which is where the emotions finally caught up.We also talk about trail friendships, why it is so easy to connect with people out there, and how Jeff’s view of the “trail family” idea changed once he got confident enough to make his own plan. Then there is the moment in Tennessee when a “power hiking song” conversation turned into an unexpected hour of Freebird on repeat, and a big lesson about forgiveness and leaving old baggage behind.To wrap it up, we hit quick hitters: favorite trail town, best meal, best trail name he heard, what the whole thing cost, and the lesson that kept coming back over and over, be gentle with yourself.Sponsors: Janji, Garage Grown Gear, CS Coffee.Chapters00:00 The Journey Begins: Aspirations and Realizations05:22 Navigating Relationships: Conversations with Loved Ones08:25 Symbolic Connections: The Robin Rock11:25 The Learning Curve: First Experiences on the Trail14:13 Dreams and Goals: The Call of the AT17:28 Life Changes: Quitting the Job for Adventure20:21 Challenges of Thru-Hiking: The Reality vs. Expectations23:29 Building Confidence: Finding Your Own Path26:17 Nutrition on the Trail: The Food Dilemma29:21 The Importance of Gut Health: Eating Fresh on the Trail30:53 Trail Nutrition: Creative Food Choices34:24 Adversity on the Trail: Overcoming Challenges39:13 Building Connections: The Social Aspect of Hiking45:32 Moments of Transformation: Personal Growth on the Trail58:41 The Challenge of Water Scarcity01:01:15 Emotional Reflections on Completing the Trail01:03:27 Slowing Down to Savor the Experience01:06:21 The Emotional Climax at Katahdin01:12:18 Trail Towns and Memorable Meals01:15:27 Lessons Learned and Future AdventuresSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside

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    Operation Hiking Home: 122 Laps on the Manitou Incline

    I sit down with yet another Jeff, but this one took things to a different level. Over the course of October and November, he completed 122 laps of the Manitou Incline, nearly a mile and over 2,000 feet of gain per lap, turning one of the most brutal stair climbs in the country into a month-long experiment in mental resilience.What started as training for a future unsupported FKT evolved into something much bigger. A Navy veteran with multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, he shares how his nervous system adapted to years in combat and why returning to everyday civilian life felt overwhelming. Loud environments, crowds, and constant inputs became difficult, while long, repetitive movement in nature helped turn the volume back down.We talk about why hiking and rucking can work where therapy and medication do not for some veterans, how mundane suffering and repetition create space for processing trauma, and why unsupported FKTs and long efforts with weight may be a wide-open niche for athletes with military backgrounds. He explains how the incline project became a fundraiser and awareness campaign for Warrior Expeditions, a veteran-led nonprofit that helps veterans heal through long-distance hiking.This conversation dives into combat stress, family life, fatherhood, endurance, mental health, and the simple power of left foot, right foot. It is a powerful reminder that the outdoors offers different things to different people, and sometimes the hardest, most boring path is the one that helps us heal the most.Check out Warrier Expeditions: https://warriorexpeditions.org/Follow Jeff Snyder: https://www.instagram.com/jsnydersoloadventures/Chapters00:00 The Manitou Incline Challenge05:10 Mental Resilience Through Hiking07:41 The Impact of Combat on Mental Health10:07 Nature as a Healing Tool13:01 The Role of Community in Recovery15:36 Fundraising for Warrior Expeditions17:58 Accidental Discoveries in Nature20:35 Transitioning from Rucking to Hiking23:15 The Importance of Mindset in Outdoor Challenges25:23 Unexpected Changes in Combat Situations28:01 Daily Life and the Incline Challenge30:31 Supporting Veterans Through Outdoor ActivitiesSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside

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    Filming While Racing, The Jeff Pelletier Method

    It is Month of Jeff, so its time to talk to another Jeff, Jeff Pelletier.Jeff had a huge 2025. He paced and crewed at Cocodona, then took on Badwater 135 and followed it up with the inaugural Mammoth 200. We go deep on Badwater, why he was drawn to a race the core of the community has kind of fallen out of love with, and why he thinks it might be the hardest race in the world to crew. No aid stations, constant leapfrogging, the rulebook, the blinky lights, the penalties, and the reality of managing sleep, food, gas, and ice in Death Valley.Then we shift to Mammoth 200. What the course was like in year one, why it is going to be a major 200 because of how runnable and crewable it is, and how finishing timing completely changed the race experience once the weather rolled in. Jeff also talks about altitude issues, his first time puking in a race, and how it felt to miss his Badwater goals but still finish and learn something important.We also get into the filmmaker side, outsourcing rough cuts, what it is like trying to race and produce at the same time, the weirdest things he has done for a shot, and why telling the story can sometimes be the thing that keeps you moving forward. We wrap with what is next for Jeff, including Croatia, Spartathlon, Cape Town, and the always painful lottery season.This episode of the Free Outside Podcast is brought to you by Janji, Garage Grown Gear, and CS Instant Coffee.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Overview of Badwater 13507:11 The Challenge of Crewing at Badwater09:57 Logistics and Rules of the Race13:00 The Unique Terrain and Conditions16:14 Heat Management Strategies19:06 Hydration and Sodium Management22:04 Final Thoughts and Reflections on the Experience26:45 Testing Limits: Fluid and Electrolyte Management28:49 Data Collection in Extreme Conditions31:06 Balancing Filmmaking and Performance33:41 Lessons from Badwater: Setting Realistic Goals35:52 Transitioning to Mammoth: New Challenges Ahead37:06 Experiencing Coca-Dona: A Unique Race38:26 Mammoth's Inaugural Year: A Mixed Bag43:45 Resetting Goals: From Badwater to Mammoth48:01 The Unique Culture of Ultra Running50:04 The Rise of 200-Mile Races53:03 Storytelling in Ultra Running53:39 The Editing Process of Race Films56:50 Behind the Scenes of Filming Races01:03:00 Gear Recommendations and Future PlansSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside

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    The Jeff Behind Your Running Shoe Reviews

    Help us with our Jeffrey Award Winners by voting here: https://forms.gle/GAcHKf5QZrR7GAR79The Month of Jeff continues with another elite Jeff: Jeff Dengate, better known on the internet as @dengatorade. Jeff is the director of product testing and de facto runner in chief at Runner’s World, and one of the most experienced shoe and gear testers in the world. He walks me through how Runner’s World actually tests shoes with hundreds of wear testers, why some products never make it to a review, and how he personally ends up in well over 100 different pairs of shoes every year.We get into what trust looks like in the age of AI, affiliate links, and endless gear noise, and why having a real human you can bump into at a race still matters. Jeff talks about the changing landscape at Runner’s World, the COVID running boom, how trail and ultra fit into the broader running world, and why the world marathon majors craze is exploding. We cover super shoes, sky high prices, why comfort still rules, why you probably do not need a 300 dollar racer to start running, and yes, we revisit my infamous Runner’s World Crocs 5K headline. We finish with his case for Jeff of the Year, including BQing three times in a year and rotating through more shoes than most runners log runs.Follow Jeff Dengate: https://www.instagram.com/dengateradeShow supported by Janji.com, Garagegrowngear.com, and CSinstant.coffeeChapters04:00 Introduction to Dengatorade and Running Background06:54 Role at Runner's World and Product Testing09:38 The Art of Product Reviews12:26 Navigating AI in the Running Community15:08 Revenue Streams and Content Creation at Runner's World17:50 Understanding Runner's Needs and Popular Topics20:43 Shoe Testing and Personal Experiences23:25 Finding the Right Shoe for You25:59 The Evolution of Running Gear and Nutrition28:59 Excitement in Running and Gear Unboxing31:42 Jeff's Unique Journey to the NBA37:16 The Journey of a Sports Journalist40:06 Impact of COVID-19 on Running Community43:33 The Growth of Trail and Ultra Running48:20 Trends in the Running IndustrySubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside

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    Barefoot Jeff, The Origin Story of Jeff Mogavero

    Vote for the Jeffrey Awards: https://forms.gle/2JaYdBFdogo2hTXP8During the Month of Jeff I, sit down with a true Jeff of the Year contender, Jeff Mogavero. We cover a wild range of topics, from his fourth place curse at big races to winning Ultra Trail Cape Town, getting married, and somehow deciding Montana Cup might outrank all of it.Follow Jeff Mogavero: https://www.instagram.com/jeffmogavero/Jeff walks through his dirtbag origin story, hitchhiking around the West on almost no money, racing for gas and grocery money, surveying fish and frogs for seasonal biology jobs, and eventually moving to Missoula to see if he could actually make a run at professional trail running. We talk about his Appalachian Trail thru hike, how he ended up with the trail name “Burger King,” his barefoot college phase, and why he once bailed on a “Number One Dad” hat.Then we get nerdy about performance. Jeff explains the science experiment heat chamber protocol he did for Western States, why he thinks heat training is overrated, and why cooling, ice bandanas, and sun protection are underrated superpowers. We dig into Montana Cup, the quiet training culture in Montana, and why adult cross country with a potluck might be the best event in running.Of course, as our official Taylor Swift correspondent, Jeff breaks down the new album, the Taylor Swift treadmill workout, and how he ended up in the top 2 percent of her listeners while also growing 25 to 30 pounds of potatoes and going through 100 pounds of flour. We finish with his dramatic finish line collapses, his case for being Jeff of the Year, and why potatoes, leeks, and Swift might be the real performance trifecta.If you like stories about hitchhiking, dirtbag seasons, science-backed heat preparation, tiny Montana races that mean everything, and a professional runner who is not afraid to be a little dramatic, this episode is for you.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Jeff Mogavero07:30 Racing Highlights and Personal Achievements10:25 Journey to Becoming a Pro Runner13:22 Living the Life of a Runner16:24 Hitchhiking Adventures and Human Connections19:25 Barefoot Jeff and Life Experiences22:12 Heat Training Protocols and Strategies28:20 Cooling Strategies for Racing34:23 Philosophy on Training and Performance41:35 The Importance of Training and Recovery44:24 Taylor Swift: The Soundtrack to Training52:21 The Role of a Good Coach56:22 Trail Names and Their Stories01:01:22 Dramatic Finishes and Personal ReflectionsSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at [email protected] the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside

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Welcome to "Free Outside," the ultimate podcast for outdoor enthusiasts! Join me, Jeff Garmire, as I blur the lines between trail running, Fastest Known Times (FKTs), thru-hiking, backpacking, and all endurance. With 20 FKTs under my belt, a book, a movie, and plenty of unconventional experiences, I'm here to share my adventures and insights.Expect engaging interviews and fun interactions with guests who excel in various ways. Whether we're discussing the art of slowly running through forests, the thrill of a challenging hike, or simply an appreciator of beauty and comedy, here we are.

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