POSITIVELY JOY: Healing Hearts After Divorce

In this episode of the Positively Joy podcast, divorce survivor Pamela Good shares her profound journey of overcoming the trauma of mental illness through God's love. She discusses her childhood experiences with a mentally ill mother, her struggles with identity and self-worth, and the pivotal moments that led to her divorce. Pamela emphasizes the importance of healing, forgiveness, and the realization that true fulfillment comes from a relationship with God rather than from others. Her book, 'He Never Let Go,' encapsulates her journey and the lessons learned along the way. Pamela's website Book: He Never Let Go The song that Pamela based her book on. Lyrics by Jill Zupanic.  

In this episode of the Positively Joy Podcast, Yvette Walker and Amy Connell discuss the importance of self-care, particularly nutrition, during times of divorce, grief and transition. They explore practical tips for simplifying meal choices, understanding nutrition, and addressing emotional eating. The conversation emphasizes the need for gentleness and balance in food choices, encouraging listeners to nourish their bodies while navigating difficult times. Find more about Amy Connell at her Graced Health podcast and at https://www.gracedhealth.com/  

Bonus replay episode! Unhitched: The Essential Divorce Guide for Women is launching Jan. 13. To celebrate, we're revisiting a conversation with author Oona Metz from last year. Listen as Oona and I discuss the steps divorced women need to move on after a split.

In this episode of the Positively Joy podcast, host Yvette Walker reflects on her journey of creating the podcast, the evolution of its focus from general joy to addressing the challenges of divorce, and the importance of faith in finding true joy. She shares personal experiences, insights on mental health, and the significance of community support for women navigating difficult transitions. Yvette emphasizes that joy is not merely happiness but a deeper peace found in God's presence, and she looks forward to continuing to support and uplift her listeners in their healing journeys. PositivelyJoy.com: The website that started it all! BeautifullyLoved.shop: Get on the list for the new book, launch date Fall 2026, AND to be an advance reader!  

In this heartfelt conversation, Yvette Walker and Hadassah Treu discuss the profound impact of loss, particularly in the context of widowhood. Hadassah shares her personal journey of grief after losing her husband unexpectedly, exploring the wilderness of sorrow and the lessons learned through faith. The discussion emphasizes the importance of community, the search for meaning in suffering, and the resilience found in shared experiences among women who have faced similar challenges. The verse in Job Hadassah mentioned on the show: "God has made my heart faint; the Almighty has terrified me. Yet I am not silenced by the darkness, by the thick darkness that covers my face." (Job 23;16-17)  Hadassah's book: Draw Near Keywords: loss, grief, healing, faith, widowhood, relationships, personal growth, writing, community, support  

In this episode of the Positively Joy Podcast, host Yvette Walker interviews Constance Hastings about her book 'The Trouble with Jesus.' They explore the provocative themes of the book, including the challenges of faith, the role of women in Jesus' ministry, and the importance of understanding doubt and God's presence in times of pain. Constance shares her personal journey of faith, the lessons learned from her experiences, and offers insights for women navigating transitions in their lives. The conversation emphasizes the significance of faith, the complexities of relationships, and the hope found in Jesus. Special offer: Get 20% off her book, "The Trouble With Jesus," when you sign up for her blog. Takeaways: Jesus valued women and included them in his ministry. Doubt is a natural part of faith and can coexist with belief. God does not always act as a 'divine fixer' in our lives. The story of the woman caught in adultery illustrates Jesus' compassion. Constance's book aims to help women in transition find hope. #faith, #Jesus, #women, #transition, #doubt, #personaljourney, #spirituality, #relationships, #mentalhealth, #self-worth  

In this episode of the Positively Joy Podcast, author Elena Huggins shares her journey of transformation and growth after leaving the Russian Orthodox Church and, later,  divorcing her addict husband. Her book, "Untwist Me," describes how God helped her "unstuck" after years of trying to do it on her own.  Her website Her book: Untwist Me

In this episode of the Positively Joy Podcast, Dr. Angela Deulen, an expert in brain science, shares her insights on the intersection of faith and science, particularly in the context of trauma, divorce, and emotional healing. She discusses the complexities of the brain and how it processes emotions, the importance of music in healing, and the distinction between grief and depression. Dr. Deulen emphasizes the significance of maintaining a positive mindset and the role of prayer and meditation in connecting with God and finding peace amidst life's challenges. Angela Deulen's YouTube channel Her website

Summary In this episode of the Positively Joy podcast, Yvette Walker speaks with Elizabeth Jane about her personal journey through divorce and the tools she developed for self-leadership and emotional healing. They discuss the importance of acknowledging emotions, setting boundaries, and practicing self-care. Elizabeth shares insights from her book, emphasizing the ABCs of emotional well-being, the power of gratitude and forgiveness, and the significance of mindfulness and breath in navigating life's challenges. Elizabeth Jane's website Her artwork

In this episode, Leah Chrest shares her profound journey of grief after losing her husband. But wait, can she, a widow, teach those who are divorced the complexities of navigating loss? Absolutely. Leah emphasizes the significance of self-forgiveness, the power of community support, and the transformative nature of grief. Through her experiences, she encourages listeners to embrace their emotions, seek God in their pain, and recognize the beauty that can emerge from heartache. Leah's blog, The Contemplative Christian Find her books here.

In this episode of the Positively Joy Podcast, Yvette Walker speaks with Jessica Kastner about the challenges and healing processes following divorce. They discuss the importance of authenticity in sharing experiences, the role of faith in overcoming shame and guilt, and the significance of finding intimacy with God. Jessica shares her journey through two divorces, the impact on her parenting, and the lessons she aims to impart to her sons. They also touch on the importance of therapy, the power of prayer, and Jessica's upcoming writing projects. Listen to Jessica's Free Failing podcast Jessica Kastner books #divorce #healing #Christian #faith #podcast #shame #guilt #intimacywithGod #therapy #parenting #marriage    

In this episode of the Positively Joy podcast, Yvette Walker interviews therapist and author Oona Metz about her journey into supporting women through divorce. They discuss the importance of having a model for understanding the stages of divorce grief, which Metz has developed based on her experiences leading support groups. The conversation covers the five stages of divorce grief: heartbreak, the roller coaster of emotions, mending, letting go, and moving on. Metz emphasizes the significance of self-care, transformation, and the healing power of helping others during difficult times. The episode also highlights Metz's upcoming book, 'Unhitched,' which provides insights and practical advice for women navigating divorce. Oona Metz's book 'Unhitched' offers valuable insights for women.  #divorce #healing #support groups #grief stages #self-care #transformation #therapy    

Cathy Colver Garland has learned some powerful lessons in her life that can help you. Listen as we explore her relationships, breakups, and healing from divorce and suffering. And what do you do when a man breaks up with you three times?  Cathy's book, "Revelationship" Find Cathy on Threads here.

In this episode of the Positively Joy podcast, Yvette Walker interviews Loren Cribbs, who shares her personal journey through divorce, the challenges she faced, and how she found healing and purpose through her faith and writing. Loren discusses the impact of her divorce on her self-worth and identity, the importance of community support, and her book 'Wings to Rise Above Divorce,' which aims to help others navigate similar experiences. The conversation emphasizes resilience, personal growth, and the power of sharing one's story to inspire and uplift others. Loren's book: Wings to Rise Above Divorce Loren's blog: https://www.lorencribbs.com/blog DivorceCare Takeaways: Loren grew up with strong morals and a belief in doing good. Divorce was a shocking experience for Loren, challenging her beliefs. Perfectionism can hinder emotional healing after trauma. Questioning faith is common during difficult times. Self-worth can diminish significantly after a divorce. Starting a business can be a path to personal recovery. Serving others can lead to personal growth and fulfillment. Writing can be a therapeutic outlet during tough times. Divorce care groups provide essential support and understanding. Sharing stories of struggle can empower others in similar situations.

It's part two of our conversation with Dana Williams of Redeemed Identity. Do you think you can't find redemption after a breakup? Dana Williams speaks life into Christians who have divorced. She believes your identity in Christ redeems women, no matter the stage of their relationship. Dana has a life of lessons to share this week.  Her website, Redeemed Identity Book: "Who Am I After Divorce"

Think you can't find redemption after a breakup? Dana Williams speaks life into Christian single, separated or divorced women. She believes your identity in Christ redeems you, no matter the stage of your relationship. Dana, a former wife of a pastor, has a life of lessons to share this week, and come back next week for part two of our interview.  Her website, Redeemed Identity Her book, "Who Am I After Divorce?"

This week, therapist, coach, and author Liz Bullard returns to unpack the lessons from our latest guests, who shared faith and wisdom around leaving abusive marriages. Listen, subscribe, and like wherever you listen to podcasts, or subscribe and like our YouTube channel, where you can watch the entire episode. Miss the episodes we are talking about? Check them out: Angela Chambers episode Michelle Ruddell episode More on coach Liz Bullard: Connect with Liz Bullard and her coaching for creatives Learn more about Liz's fantasy and mystery fiction!

Angela Chambers wore a mask to hide the pain of her marriage. When she walked out, she was looking for hope and another chance to find joy after abuse in her marriage. Her book, "Real Life, Real Hope" shares her story. I just want to tell you that there is hope for anyone out there who feels trapped in an abusive relationship. If you are in the US, go to womenshealth.gov, the U.S. Office on Women's Health, and search for resources by state. If you are outside of the US, please seek help in your city or town.  Angela's website, Restored Ministries Find her book here

Michelle Ruddell is a survivor. She escaped a twice-abusive marriage and found healing after the death of her son, finding the love she needed from God. Today she is a speaker, an author and a daughter of the King. Here's Michelle's difficult but important story. Michelle's book, "Welcome to the Club - I'm Sorry You're Here" is available here. Learn more about Michelle at michelleruddell.com -------------------- Follow Positively Joy, subscribe, like and share! Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/joyindivorce Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/positivelyjoypodcast/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@YvetteWalker Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/yvettebwalker/

Today's episode is short, but packed with important information. Today I explore some of the lessons I learned during my divorce. I hope they resonate with you. From understanding how to heal to knowing when to put down the burden. Next week we'll have a new guest and I'll tease who that is on social media this week. So if you aren't already following me on Facebook and Instagram at Positively Joy podcast or on YouTube at Yvette Walker, please subscribe, like and share. Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/joyindivorce Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/positivelyjoypodcast/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@YvetteWalker Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/yvettebwalker/

Relationship expert Melanie Yates and I unpack the wisdom of last week's guest, Amanda Schaefer. Schaefer, as you recall is the gratitude girl and woman at the well with two previous marriages. Yates and I talk about what we learned from the idea that gratitude is the only response to God's grace, and more.  Melanie Yates’ Website: HappyJoyousAndFree.org (https://www.happyjoyousandfree.org) Melanie’s Book: Happy, Joyous, and Free (https://amzn.to/4jcoOl8) – Available on Amazon.  Follow Melanie on Social Media: Instagram: @NeuroCoachMelanie (neurocoachmelanie) Facebook: Happy Joyous and Free (melanie.m.gilman) LinkedIn: Melanie Yates (melanie-yates-dr-coach) YouTube: @CoachMelanieYates (@coachmelanieyates) TikTok: @HappyJoyousandFreeCoach (happyjoyousandfreecoach)

Get ready for some gratitude today with podcaster and writer Amanda Schaefer. She calls herself "the woman at the well" because of past marriages but she found Jesus in a unique encounter and never looked back. She and I talked during the season of gratitude, Thanksgiving, but like Amanda says, gratitude is the only response to God's grace, no matter what time of year, or whether its in the middle of divorce, grief or loss. It must be intentional.  Listen to A Cup of Gratitude podcast Amanda's website and resources

In this episode of the Positively Joy Podcast, host Yvette Walker and therapist Liz Bullard discuss the complexities of relationships and divorce, particularly within Christian circles. They explore themes such as procrastination, imposter syndrome, the importance of friendship in relationships, navigating difficult decisions, the role of faith and support systems, the power of forgiveness, and self-care strategies during transitions. The conversation emphasizes the emotional struggles individuals face during divorce and the importance of recognizing one's worth and seeking support.   Takeaways It's common to feel stuck when contemplating divorce or significant life changes. Faith and support systems play a vital role in coping with divorce. Forgiveness, including forgiving oneself, is essential for healing. Feelings of unlovability are common but can be overcome with self-compassion. Self-care practices are important for emotional well-being during transitions. It's OK to seek help and lean on others during difficult times. Resources: Dawn Love's episode Liz Bullard coaching Liz Bullard's books

With a name like hers, Dawn Love found irony in her divorce. And as she said, there was a time when she was "broke, busted and disgusted." But this ministry leader leaned on God in trying times, even when the church around her was not always supportive. Listen to Dawn as she shares some wisdom on her marriage, divorce and her life as a single mom. Her book, Embracing Change: Trusting God Through the Transitions of Life Christian Women and Divorce (Support Group)

Some years people tell me they can’t find the Christmas spirit. Usually that's because of some pain or difficulty in their lives at the moment. The feeling of loss can be the same whether it's the heartbreak of divorce or actually losing a family member. And so I hope that today we can unpack this a little bit and talk about those feelings and how, as usual, we are encouraged to choose the joy of the holiday season. These are journeys filled with pain, helplessness, and, eventually, peace. I want to hear from you! Share your stories of loss and joy at [email protected] Join my newsletter here. Find my books here.

We're back with Amish-raised Sara Daigle in part two of her interview. In part one, we talked about her marriage and background, and today, we'll talk about the lessons she learned through her divorce and as a single mother. Stay with us until the end, as Sara drops some truth bombs you won't want to miss. Sara's blog Sara's books

This week, I want to unpack our stories about navigating relationships, faith, and the journey to rediscover joy. These are stories of resilience, heartbreak, and ultimately, transformation — not just for those who have faced trials in their relationships, but for anyone seeking hope and faith amid challenges. When we talk about difficult relationships, it's tempting to stay silent, but sharing our stories has incredible power. As women, we often feel isolated, thinking, No one else could possibly understand. But the truth is, many women suffer silently, especially in relationships where love turns into control, and trust is replaced by betrayal. Today, I want to explore why these conversations matter—why breaking silence is a step toward reclaiming our worth and faith. And I will take the first step: sharing my own story. Women need to know they are not alone, and their struggles are seen by others and, more importantly, by God. Positively Joy Ministries J.O.Y. blog My books My speaker website

Sara Daigle is our guest in the first episode of a NEW focus on Christian women, marriage and divorce. Sara was raised in an Amish community and when she married, her history of obedience caused her to put up with a marriage that tolerated pornography. Her husband asked her to consider engaging in an open marriage, and she said no. But these trials forced her to cling to the Lord, who delivered her from that relationship. She also began to teach her daughters how to have a blessed relationship. Part one of a multi-part episode. We will unpack a lot of Sara's wisdom next week. Come back! Women of Purpose with Sara Daigle Sara's books

In the 40th and last episode of Season 5, Mischelle Saunders-Gottsch is a God storyteller. But her own ability to tell other women's stories on her podcast ministry, Altered Stories, comes from her history of being in a cult with her mother. She is retelling it in a book she's writing, and the journey is difficult. Listen as Mischelle shared memories of that time in her family's life. THIS IS THE LAST EPISODE BEFORE WE PIVOT TO OUR NEW FOCUS ON DIVORCED CHRISTIAN WOMEN. We hope you continue to listen as we serve a new audience who needs to learn about joy! Altered Stories Ministry The Altered Stories Podcast

We’re pivoting here at the Positively Joy podcast to a topic that many women will find incredibly relevant. Relationships. The Lord has put on my heart to talk about my own difficult divorce and journey back to joy, a journey where God was my everything. I remember how hard it was, and in these upcoming seasons we’ll get real and talk about the hurt, the pain, the loss and freedom in Jesus. After 13 years of marriage to a man with bipolar depression, I found myself lost in the aftermath of our divorce. The emotional toll of navigating his illness left me drained and questioning my worth. In my search for joy, Psalm 91 became my refuge. The words, “He will cover you with His feathers, and under His wings, you will find refuge,” spoke deeply to my wounded heart. Through faith, self-reflection, and God’s protection, I discovered that joy isn’t dependent on circumstances. It’s a choice. By leaning on His promises, I found love for myself, peace in His presence, and joy in the small, everyday moments. I hope you join us, and share this with those you think need to hear these conversations. It’s still Positively Joy, but more.  

Pamela D. Smith is a prayer warrior, who uses prayer not only to evangelize, and communicate and give glory to God, but to  help her self-confidence. Pamela shares her story today of being a teen mom, and all the insecurity and doubt that came with her journey. But she loves her children and is so proud of them. Today Pamela teaches us what prayer is and how to pray. Stay tuned for this important conversation. Pamela's website Her books

Tracey Glenn and her alter-ego character, Loretta, are a hoot. But don't be mistaken, they ARE strong Christians and love the Lord. She is an author, blogger, speaker, and searcher of biblical wisdom. Her book, "Gathering the Wayward Heart," is about what happens when life doesn’t turn out the way you planned. Listen to Tracey speak on joy and peace.   Visit Tracey Glenn's website Her books Coffee with Loretta

Carol Chisholm is a writer and singer who has kept her baldness a secret from the world and even from her family. She has an autoimmune disease called alopecia that took away her hair and her self-esteem. But she took to heart the words of Psalm 139 that says we are all fearfully and wonderfully made! Now she is proud of her baldness, and her book, "Breaking the Shadows," has just won a best memoir award! Let's hear more from Carol.

Jerry Dugan of the Beyond the Rut podcast and ministry visits the show today. A military veteran, Jerry has a great message about listening to God, being obedient and loving his family. It's about time we had him on the show, and his message of finding faith certainly is relevant following the Memorial Day weekend.

Recent graduate Allison England is starting a new career in ministry and media. The creative media production grad from the University of Oklahoma has joined a student ministry on campus to help disciple college students, a worthy vocation. But she needs your help. Tune in to this week's episode and learn directly from Allison why it's worth it. Student Mobilization website How to help Allison's ministry

Couples aren't perfect and can have problems, so speaking to a marriage counselor can be a good idea. But what about incorporating your faith into exploring marital issues? Licensed Professional Counselor and Therapist Healey Ikerd says it's a natural, and that when picking a counselor who is Christian you should ask them to integrate their faith into the counseling.    Healey's website Her books on anxiety, children's books and  journals

Perfectionism, pride, imposter syndrome. It's something that Vivian Cumins has struggled with. Vivian is a writer, speaker, and podcast host. Her need to be perfect and in control led to an unbalanced lifestyle filled with work, stress, illness, and depression. Today, Vivian and I talk about how to rededicate our lives to the Lord and leave perfectionism behind. Go to Vivian's website Free resources on work-life balance and others

How can grief be about joy? Grief transforms when the death of a son turns into new lives for lots of other children. Beth Thorp, after the loss of her son, Mitchell, started a foundation with her husband. The foundation would go on to help other children with illnesses, diagnosed or not, find healing. Beth told me she was not ready to start down this path but realized it is what God wanted to turn Mitchell's story from one of death to life. The Mitchell Thorp Foundation has raised millions to help these families.  MitchellThorp.org: Learn more about the foundation that helps "children fighting for their tomorrow." anewcreation.org: Learn more about Beth's book: ​It's a true story about a family, their love for each other and how the power of one life can cause a ripple effect that goes on and on to touch the lives of so many. 

Today, our show is about forgiveness of the unforgiveable. I spoke to Mark and Jen Sowersby last year about their amazing marriage and his amazing testimony. Mark was abused for years by his mother's boyfriend. He grew up damaged and afraid. But as, he says, a perfect God helped him forgive his abuser, find a loving wife and forgive the nightmare. He created a ministry and book, "Forgiving the Nightmare." And they have 20 years of a beautiful marriage. How did they get here?  Mark's book, "Forgiving the Nightmare Mark and Jen's ministry

I'm a career woman and a Christian creative, and there have been times when the two felt at odds. When I talked to our guest this week, author and leader Peggy Bodde, it seemed she felt my pain. Peggy has written a new book, titled "Sacred Work: A Christian Woman's Guide to Leadership in the Marketplace" and it was meant for me, and for many of you, too. Let's hear from Peggy. "Sacred Work" is out this week! Get it here. More on Peggy and her ministry at peggybodde.com

Jen Hardy quotes St. Catherine of Siena when speaking about women over 50: “What is it you want to change? Your hair, your face, your body? Why? For God is in love with all those things and he might weep when they are gone.” Jen's Fabulous Over 50 podcast ranks high among aging and retirement podcasts. If you're almost 50 or over 50, listen and let Jen help you feel better about yourself. 

It's Women's History Month and International Women's Day, so it's fitting to have Anna McLaughlin on the show! Anna is the founder of She Considers A Field, a women's ministry centered around the Proverbs 31 verse on what a good woman is. You can find Anna on her podcast, YouTube channel, and Facebook group of the same name. Anna talks about making the sacrifice to leave a full-time job to become a full-time homemaker and finding her fulfillment there. She Considers a Field Ministries: YouTube Facebook Group Podcast  

Clint Hatton has experienced as much pain as most people. But God has given him the task of sharing a message of being strong and courageous even in the darkest of times. "The pain in some form will be with us for the rest of our lives," Clint said. But that pain represents the love he has for his son, Gabriel, a pilot who died a tragic death. After Gabriel's death, he and his family started living Big, Bold and Brave. Learn more about it from Clint himself.  More about the Big Bold Brave foundation "Big Bold Brave" (The book) About his son, Gabriel

I'm concerned about using AI to write Christian teachings, and I'm not the only one. In this two-part episode, I'll talk with experts about whether we should use technology's latest tool to teach the Bible. In part one, Bible Storyteller Sharon Wilharm of All God's Women weighs in.  The Gospel Coalition: "Should We Embrace or Evict AI in Churches?" All God's Women podcast Sharon Wilharm website

Non-religious people as well as Christians, can suffer from depression and suicide ideation. So everyone, listen up! Today's episode with Author D. Neil Elliott takes us down a path that might be different for regular listeners. We talk about depression and suicide,  using language that some people, not necessarily Christian, can recognize and relate to. But what's the same is that our Creator's incredible grace and unconditional love remains. As we move in to this year, it's important to be able to talk to all kinds of people with all kinds of beliefs and values. Stay with us through this one. Neil's book Neil's website

It's early in 2024 and we've been talking about life plans. Life coaches can help us get clarity. Last week we talked with coach Ann Visser about marriage, and this week we spend the episode with Karin Freeland, who coaches women about the workplace and when to exit. Karin and I have a lot in common, especially that unfulfilled feeling that you can't define. Karin calls herself a recovered corporate workaholic. After experiencing a midlife awakening at 39, she reinvented her life by deepening her spirituality, discovering God's purpose for her life and taking bold action. Now she coaches high-achieving women, helping them achieve success without sacrificing health and well-being. Karin's website Six Secrets to Get Unstuck    

Ann Visser co-founded 4 Better 4 Ever with her beloved husband of 42 years. She has trained couples, young people, students, addicts in recovery, Christian women and professionals ... in the areas of communication, leadership, relationship, mindset and personal growth. We had such a good conversation on marriage and relationships that we ran a little long this week!  Ann's website: https://4better4ever.com Check out her 7-day challenge here. Come back for next week's episode of the Positively Joy Podcast!

Going back into the archives, I promised to focus more on prayer in 2022 in this throwback episode. Did I do it? Well, I can say for sure I brought God into my daily life, but I still have some work to do on my prayer life. Talking to God is so important, and you - and I - should do it more often. I hope this inspires you! Some ways to put prayer front and center: Practice daily journaling and speak to him while you do it. Try using my new book, "Journaling His Joy." Other books mentioned in the show are "Adventures in Prayer" and "Follow Me" by Mary Jo Pierce, and "Whispering in His Ear" by me, Yvette Walker. Make a place for your prayer time, as mentioned in "Adventures in Prayer." Have a wonderful, safe and inspiring New Year! Positively Joy is back next week with new interviews! 

Years ago, Positively Joy featured the angelic voice of Angel McCoy from the podcast, Angel Reads the Bible. Angel has a beautiful family now and has been pretty busy. But I coaxed her to come back and do a reading from Luke, chapters 1 and 2 in these days leading up to Christmas.  There is never a wrong time to hear the Christmas story, but now is just right. It's not too late to jump into my Christmas countdown on Substack.com. Just look up Positively Joy under publications. I have a weekly newsletter, so subscribe.   

This week, our conversation is about forgiveness, and it's a really unique episode. Could you forgive your grandmother's killer? Today's guest is Sarah Gregory, and her story is hard to fathom. She has forgiven the man who murdered her grandmother, but not only that, spent hours with him on death row the day he was executed. Her forgiveness wasn't automatic, though, and she had a long, hard road to get there. Bruce Springsteen's music plays a role, believe it or now.  Sarah's "Set Lusting Bruce" episode