The Sandwich Generation Pod

Why does Assisted Living cost so much? Why does every tour somehow end in a “pub”? And are the communities with the fancy brochures and gourmet desserts actually the best fit for your loved one?In this episode of The Sandwich Generation Pod, Robyn and Eliesa sit down with Melissa Stanton and Molly Mogren Katt of Carefree Cottages of Maplewood for a candid (and surprisingly heated + funny) conversation about the realities of assisted living, from both sides of the tour.We get into the real stuff: the questions families should be asking, how to make sense of the finances, what actually matters beyond the marketing, and how to figure out who you can trust in an industry that can feel wildly overwhelming.Whether you’re just starting to explore assisted living or already deep in the process, this episode is packed with honest insights, helpful tips, and plenty of laughs along the way.Disclaimer: We are not lawyers nor do we offer legal advice on this podcast. All information is based out of Minnesota, so check your state to see what programs, waivers and assistance are offered in your area! TakeawaysWhat are the top 3 questions that families should be asking when touring assisted living communities?What is the difference between Private Pay, Elderly and Cadi Waiver programs?Think of shopping for assisted living like you’re dating. Are you serious and looking for a long term relationship? What are the qualities you’re looking for? Follow your *senses* What the hell is an Ombudsman? (This person might be your best friend…)What are some misconceptions about Assisted Living?Assisted Living Can be:Family OwnedCorporateNon-Profit (Like Shalom Home)Adult Foster HomesChapters01:23 Intro to Molly and Melissa of Carefree Cottages06:39 What is Assisted Living and Who is it for?12:52 Question #1: Do you accept the Elderly Waiver or Cadi Waiver?25:57 Question #2: How are the activities?30:43 Question #3: Medication Management and Independence 35:37 What things should you be looking for when touring Assisted Living?37:24 Robyn's horrible experience with assisted living44:19 What is an ombudsman and knowing your rights48:23 Debunking the misconceptions about Assisted Living53:07 Why does Assisted Living cost so much?56:19 Family Owned, Corporate, Non Profit or Adult Foster Care58:50 What is a 'Navigator' and are they helpful?01:01:08 Independent Living, Assisted Living, Memory Care and Skilled Nursing01:06:31 The Future of Assisted LivingLinks + Resources:Carefree Cottages of MaplewoodCost of Long Term Care Calculator - this is an AMAZING resource where you can estimate the cost of care in your specific area of the United States. Powered by CarescoutState of MN OmbudsmanMinnesota Bill of Rights for Assisted LivingA Place at the Table - an example of adult foster care. National Domestic Workers AllianceCaring Across GenerationsMolly Mogren Katt - explore more of Molly’s personal + creative work! 

Ever have one of those moments where you just want to scream a little? Caregiving can feel like that, especially when well-meaning people say things that completely miss the mark. Those small comments can add up, and before you know it, you’re carrying a kind of loneliness that’s hard to put into words.Whether you’re supporting a loved one through a terminal diagnosis, navigating aging, walking alongside someone at the end of life, or grieving after they’re gone, the “in-between” losses can feel overwhelming. Life keeps moving all around you, and somehow you’re expected to keep up.And if you’re a sandwiched caregiver? You might find yourself craving moments of joy in the middle of it all - only to be met with guilt (or even a little side-eye) when you actually have fun. Simple, right?In this episode of The Sandwich Generation Pod, Eliesa and Robyn sit down with Jessica Kim, founder of Ianacare (“I Am Not Alone Care”). Jessica has spent most of her adult life as a caregiver while raising three kids, and she’s turned that experience into a mission to support others navigating the same challenges. Together, we talk about the loneliness of caregiving, finding connection, and giving yourself permission to hold both grief and joy at the same time.Because at the end of the day, you’re not alone—we’re in this together.TakeawaysLoneliness creeps in and can be all consuming when you’re a caregiver. The fork in the road: Do you need to leave your career to be a caregiver?Our Mindset: How we reframe things is huge - we need to balance JOY in caregivingThe THREE day rule - how have you tended to your priorities over the course of three days? Kids + activitiesMarriageFriendsWellness / gymWorkFaithHow does full time caregiving effect our children? Do they see our stress as much as we feel it?Culture Change: Lets not make others feel guilty while seeking JOY while they are GRIEVINGIanacare: How this company supports families and helps them with loneliness. Also: a HUGE Medicare GUIDE program for families with Alzheimer's!Links + Resources: Ianacare WebsiteFollow Ianacare on InstagramCaring for someone with Dementia? See if you Qualify for the Medicare GUIDE Program - at NO cost to you!Chapters:00:00 Intros and our Meet Cute with Jessica Kim02:29 Jessica's Caregiving Story22:30 Mindshift: Reframing Priorities in Caregiving29:04 Impact of Caregiving on Children38:07 Seeking Joy Amidst Grief43:47 The Loneliness of Caregiving47:23 How caregiving changes you55:05 IANACare and a Medicare funded program for Caregivers01:02:59 Engagement and Community Building01:03:35 Outro

Caregiving in the Sandwich Generation is already a full-contact sport. One minute you’re negotiating with a toddler over broccoli, the next your parents are on the phone… also negotiating, but with guilt trips and passive-aggressive commentary. Cool, cool, cool. So what’s the move when everyone needs something and someone’s being downright difficult?In this episode of The Sandwich Generation Pod, Robyn and Eliesa talk with family mediator Molly Darsow, owner of Still Waters Mediation. (Yes—family mediator. Because sometimes families need a referee.) Molly shares expert advice on setting boundaries with parents, managing emotional triggers, and improving communication in challenging family dynamics.If you’ve ever thought “there has to be a better way to deal with this,” this one’s for you.If you’re caring for aging parents while raising kids, navigating sibling tension, or just trying not to lose your mind during one more “interesting” phone call—this episode will give you tools, validation, and maybe even a little laugh.TakeawaysWe are born into family systems and when our parents age or pass away, those roles within the system are wildly disrupted. We always hold onto our inner child. When we’re family, we all know each other’s triggers - that never leaves us.There might be a generational difference in how we talk about our emotions.There is A LOT of vulnerability in aging. Shutting down bad behaviors is totally legit. It sounds annoying but acceptance, compassion and time are three of the best ways to handle a difficult parent.Communication takes active practice on everyone’s part and Molly gives tips on doing this effectively.Chapters00:00 Introduction with Molly Darsow of Still Waters Mediation02:55 What is Mediation and why might I need it?09:40 Managing Triggers and Emotional Responses11:39 Strategies for Difficult Conversations30:31 Establishing Boundaries with Parents33:47 Acknowledging Loss and Change38:49 The Driving Conversation - is anything more difficult than this?48:18 What to do when a parent is guilting you?58:07 Sibling Relationships and Triangulation01:05:50 Managing Difficult Parents in Front of Children01:11:11 OutroLinks and Resources:Still Waters Mediation Care out Loud Conversation starter Cards

What is it really like for the Spouses in The Sandwich Generation?! We know it’s emotional for us caregivers, but what is it like on the other side of a relationship? In this episode, Eliesa Johnson and Robyn Frank hand the mic over to their spouses, Nick and EZ, for a refreshingly honest (and occasionally hilarious) take on:What actually irritates them (yes, we go there)How to keep the spark alive when you're exhausted and emotionally tapped outRaising kids while juggling everyone else’s needs And what support really looks like—beyond “just tell me what you need”Spoiler: Love is strong… but so are opinions about buying milk!If you’re in a relationship in the Sandwich Generation—whether you’re the caregiver or the one wondering how to help—this one’s for you.Because sometimes, laughter is the only thing keeping everyone sane.TakeawaysEveryone is in The Sandwich Generation together when you’re married but in different roles.How can a spouse help with the overwhelm of being sandwiched?When your spouse takes a back seat - and making them a priority again!How are we raising the kids in the middle of it all?Keeping the fire alive - intimacy and humor during tough times.It takes a village - asking for help!Chapters00:00 Reflections on Marriage: Expectations vs. Reality: Getting Married Later in Life and Entering The Sandwich Generation10:20 When the caregiver is overwhelmed, what's a spouse to do?18:53 Hormones are a big deal in The Sandwich Generation30:18 When your spouse takes a back seat and making them a priority again36:27 Arguments39:27 So what do you really think of your in laws?45:36 What about us? What does our aging look like?48:01 Lets talk about the kids + grief54:33 Making things easier for the spouse that is overwhelmed by caregiving59:09 What makes our spouse sexy now in The Sandwich Generation?01:05:36 Outro

Welcome to Part 2 of our episode on Medical Assistance for Long Term Care in Minnesota. This is a HOT topic and one that deserved some extra time! In this episode, Robyn and Eliesa welcome back Rachel Schromen of Schromen Law, LLC answers more questions and gives practical examples and tips on the strategy and process behind applying for Medical Assistance for Long Term Care. What’s a 5 year look back? What’s a spend down? What are Medical Assistant Divorces and why do they happen? There is so much great information in this episode!Hot Tip: Spend the money and hire an attorney - it’s worth the investment! We’re not here to sell, we are here to guide you through and hopefully shed some light on a subject that is fraught with financial and emotional loss. **Please note that we are not offering specific legal advice - Use this advice to ask the questions in your states, with your attorneys.**Takeaways:The benefits of Pre Planning for Long Term CareThe benefits of hiring an attorney to help - especially to flag for exemptions in MN that get missed a lot. Clarifying the terms:  5 year Look Back, Asset Reduction and Spenddown terminologyThe cost of care in America is HIGH right now - we will all need long term planning and the earlier the better because you have options. Ongoing MA maintenanceSome real life examples of a medical assistance spenddown before annual renewalsMedical Assistance Divorces and why do they happenWhat’s the most frequent question an attorney gets asked by families applying for Medical Assistance for long term care?Links and Resources:National Academy of Elder Law Attorneys - a national resource to help connect you with Elder Law Attorneys around the country! Schromen Law, LLC - Learn more about Rachel’s practice and approach to Estate Planning and Elder Law. We know we’ll be making an appointment!10 Questions to ask your Estate Planning Attorney - A very cool document provided by Schromen Law, LLC that walks you through questions to ask while calling around for Estate Planning and Elder Law. Minnesota Application for Medical Assistance for Long Term Care - if you’re interested in a DIY approach. A word of caution - these forms can seem deceivingly simple. We might recommend hiring a pro to help guide you. Low Income Resources:Mid Minnesota Legal AidLawHelpMN.Org

What happens when the money runs out? For many Americans, Medical Assistance for Long Term Care is an option that feels almost inevitable. But these were supposed to be ‘The Golden Years’, right? And now you’re telling me I have to live off of $120/month? WHAT?!? Where do you begin? There seem to be SO many rules and so much fine print -  and what is really provided?  In part one of this two-part episode, Eliesa shares her personal story with the hardships of navigating and applying for Medical Assistance for Long Term Care. We also welcome Rachel Schromen of Schromen Law, LLC to be our expert in talking about the legalities of Medical Assistance for Long Term Care in Minnesota with real tips, real examples and real advice. **Please note that we are not offering specific legal advice - Use this advice to ask the questions in your states, with your attorneys.**Takeaways:Eliesa’s personal story - why is she so passionate about Medical assistance?Lets clarify the terms: Medical Assistance for Long Term Care, Elder Waiver and Cadi WaiverWhat is *actually covered in MN when you’re on Medical Assistance for Long Term Care?The benefits of hiring an attorney for the pre-planning and application process. Setting Expectations for being on Medical Assistance for Long Term CareChapters00:00 Introduction to Rachel Schromen of Schromen Law01:06 Eliesa’s Personal Story with Medical Assistance12:38 Why do people go on Medical Assistance and who is it for?13:56 Medical Assistance vs The Elderly Care Waiver vs the Cadi Waiver17:42 What are the first steps in applying for Medical Assistance for Long Term Care?23:55 Navigating county workers and application challenges34:16 Financial Realities of Medical Assistance and Elderly Waiver45:39 The importance of early planning47:02 OutroLinks and Resources:National Academy of Elder Law Attorneys - a national resource to help connect you with Elder Law Attorneys around the country! Schromen Law, LLC - Learn more about Rachel’s practice and approach to Estate Planning and Elder Law. We know we’ll be making an appointment!10 Questions to ask your Estate Planning Attorney - A very cool document provided by Schromen Law, LLC that walks you through questions to ask while calling around for Estate Planning and Elder Law. Minnesota Application for Medical Assistance for Long Term Care - if you’re interested in a DIY approach. A word of caution - these forms can seem deceivingly simple. We might recommend hiring a pro to help guide you. Low Income Resources:Mid Minnesota Legal AidLawHelpMN.Org

Description: Alright, who else feels overwhelmed by keeping together the paperwork and passwords alone in The Sandwich Generation? Do we go digital with all of this or keep it analog? Yeah, we are asking ourselves the same questions, too! Season 2 of the podcast premiers with this mini-episode where Robyn Frank and Eliesa Johnson tackle one of our greatest challenges: organization. We discuss a system called ‘The Legacy Binder’ to simplify life admin - the medical, legal, end-of-life-planning, etc. and hopefully this can help us ALL make caregiving a little less stressful and more manageable when all of our shit is in one place. Did we mention how amazing scanner apps are? This episode isn’t deep but it is helpful! Takeaways:Creating the “Legacy Binder”: Put together both a physical binder and digital folder with all of these important things! You can create this for both your aging parents and your own family. Digital Folder: Use a cloud service like Google Drive, Dropbox or iCloud. Make sure to keep things password protected for safe keeping!Get yourself a Scan App: Scan Ace or Scan is what we use!Folders can include: Personal InformationFinancial InformationLegal InformationMedical InformationDigital Information + PasswordHome InformationEnd of Life WishesLinks and Resources:Care Out Loud - Use their Conversation Cards, Caregiving Cheat Sheets + Caregiver Resources - all in one place! Chapters:00:00 Document Organization Strategies01:15 There's so much paperwork: How do we get ourselves organized?02:47 Analog vs Digital Organization - Or make it a combo!09:54 Category Tips for Organizing ALL the Info17:44 Category Tips Continued22:17 Starting the Conversation with Parents25:23 Care Out Loud Resource for Caregivers28:59 Outro

Does it feel like time is fragile with your loved one? We do too. The truth is, none of us know how much or little time we have left with one another. For our Season 1 finale, we don’t just go deep, we go to THERAPY with our friend, Stephanie March. (We highly encourage you to take a read through her popular substack, Pickle.) Stephanie shares her story - and her personal journey - of saying goodbye to her mother Brigitte, who we all called Oma, who was diagnosed with a terminal illness and given six months to live. This is not an episode of fear or despair, but rather of light, love, the little things - and being brave enough to truly celebrate the time we have! We also touch on leading our children through the loss of a loved one and why we are all a part of ‘The long goodbye’. Grab your Kleenex and come laugh and cry with us through this episode! It’s a journey you won’t forget!Takeaways:Whether we are caregiving for aging parents or facing a terminal illness, how can we celebrate the time we have?It’s the small things in life that matter the most in the end.How can we practice staying present and having connection through aging or a terminal diagnosis?Death merch is a very cool thing. Death nesting is also a very real part of the process. Are we all in ‘The Long Goodbye?’Legacy is about carrying forward the stories and values of those we love.How do we raise our kids to learn about death and loss when we’re sandwiched?Continuing the celebration at a memorial - in a fun way.Links + Resources:Subscribe to Pickle by Stephanie March on Substack. Chapters00:00 Season Finale Intro02:40 The Story of Brigitte von Haken and her final gift08:19 Facing Terminal Illness with Grace13:35 Death Merch15:50 Carrying out your loved one's wishes - even when they're not your own16:21 Navigating Death and DNR Conversations18:38 Honoring a Mother's Legacy23:01 Celebrating the time we have - What matters most?31:45 Guiding our children through aging and death when we're in The Sandwich Generation42:42 The long goodbye to the final goodbye 57:25 Let the Celebration continue - Planning the Memorial in a *cool* way01:03:20 The After-Party Crash of Death Burnout for Caregivers01:06:13 Change + Living Life to the fullest - because we are ALL in The Long Goodbye01:09:50 The Gift of Being Yourself01:10:23 Rapid Fire Questions with Stephanie March01:13:05 Cheers to Season 1 and Oma: Simplex Munditiis! 01:13:46 Reflections on the Journey and Future Aspirations01:14:58 Outro

We can all relate to the chaos of the holiday season and when you’re in The Sandwich Generation, things can feel…extra tricky. You’re packing up the strollers, the walkers and packing diaper bags for both the young and old - ah! Yes! The Holidays! In this episode, hosts Eliesa Johnson and Robyn Frank talk about the hilarious predicaments of the holiday logistics when you’re caregiving, along with generational and religious differences, sentimental holiday traditions and even a visit from Santa! You heard right - Santa. We will also leave you with some tips and tricks that we can all use as we approach this holiday season! Yes - it’s an episode for us all! TakeawaysThings feel mighty tricky during the holidays when you’re Sandwiched!There are a lot of logistics, diaper bags, walkers and snacks packed for everyone. Emotions run high during holiday gatherings.The torch has been passed - and now it is our time to carry on or start new traditions.Consider hosting your holiday early - when the kids and grandparents' energy levels are the best - or before the sugar crash. Outsource that shit! The meal, the shopping, whatever you need to do!Happy Holidays - I’m setting boundaries this year! All that matters is our time together. What would you add to our holiday survival guide?Chapters00:00 The Holiday Chaos when you're in The Sandwich Generation04:22 Robyn's Real Life Hallmark Story of Chrismukkah08:18 Nostalgia and the Holidays - How did our parents do it all?10:51 Eliesa's Christmas Tradition: Being Santa and the Elf11:35 The Santa Legacy16:47 Passing the Torch: When a new generation leads the Holiday20:54 HO HO HO! A visit from SANTA!25:37 Incorporating Parents in Holiday Celebrations26:24 The Sandwich Generation Holiday Survival Tips! 35:09 Segment: To Laugh or Cry37:34 Continued: The Sandwich Generation Holiday Survival Tips! 

For caregivers who have watched a loved one decline from the terrible diseases, such as Alzheimer’s, Dementia, Cancer; the question is often asked, “Will this happen to me? Is there anything I can do to prevent this?” If you are in The Sandwich Generation, you also know that finding time for self care is hard (See Episode 4: Self Care is a SCAM!). Suddenly we see ourselves shifting - we are setting our vanity aside and health and wellness have become about preserving our bodies and MINDS for aging - and living in the now! In this episode we welcome Rachel Daugherty of BootyandBrains.co who has built something truly remarkable and made the internet buzz about - gasp - brain health! She’s a sandwiched parent who has ushered her own mother through a fraught battle with Alzheimer's - and built us all a resource on both educating and empowering our bodies and minds! Rachel is inspiring hundreds of thousands of people and we are lucky to have her with us today! Links and Resources:@bootyandbrains.co - Follow Rachel, her knowledge and hilarity here on her instagram account!BootyandBrains.co - Sign up for Rachel’s class. A clear guided path to reducing your risk of Alzheimer's by building sustainable daily habits. Momentous - A Rachel-endorsed brand for Creatine and Fish Oil supplements. (Code B&B for 20% off)Only 3% of Alzheimer's cases are based exclusively on genetics. See the study here.Dementia Prevention, Intervention and Care Article - Read all about it here.Research and Progress from The Alzheimer’s Association TakeawaysIt's not just about working out for vanity’s sake anymore; it's about holistic, long term health.Caregiving changes our perspective on our own health.Alzheimer's prevention is largely about lifestyle choices.Just because Alzheimer’s affected your loved one, doesn’t automatically mean it will happen to you.We can make small changes - in our diet and movement - that make a big impact on our health overall and play a part in Alzheimer’s prevention. Chapters00:00 Introduction to Rachel Daugherty of BootyandBrains.co02:03 Rachel's Personal Journey with Caregiving and Alzheimer's 08:14 Building a Business out of grief - and one that impacts everyone14:34 Our brains, our bodies and the science behind Alzheimer's prevention29:04 The boring basics of self care that make a BIG difference31:35 There is hope in Alzheimer's prevention34:26 How being a caregiver gives you perspective on your own health39:39 Giving your body 'equipment' for aging42:05 "My health is bigger than me" - Talking to your kids about brain health and o

Almost everyone knows someone who has Alzheimer’s Disease. For many of us in The Sandwich Generation, this diagnosis was also the moment we became caregivers for our loved ones. But it’s all so confusing - is it Alzheimer’s? Is it Dementia? How do I bring up this conversation with my parents? Am I genetically dispositioned to get this too? WTF! In this episode, co-hosts Eliesa Johnson and Robyn Frank have an incredibly candid and informative conversation with Dr. Elizabeth Edgerly, Senior Director of Community Programs and Services at the Alzheimer’s Association. Dr. Edgerly shares her personal story of walking alongside her mother with Lewy Body Dementia, along with answering all our questions - and giving HOPE to the future of Alzheimer’s. This episode is for us all - what we can do for Alzheimer's prevention, knowledge about the latest groundbreaking treatments and most importantly - how we, as caregivers, can bring humanity and Person Centered Care to our loved ones! TakeawaysThe difference between Alzheimer’s and Dementia.Getting the correct diagnosis is crucial for treatment.What to do when you notice cognitive changes in your parent.Explaining the early, middle and late stages of Alzheimer’s. Lifestyle changes can significantly impact brain health and reduce risk.Genetic factors play a role in Alzheimer's risk, but lifestyle can mitigate this.Hormonal changes in women may increase Alzheimer's risk and with caregiving, it’s a double whammy. Support resources are available for caregivers and those diagnosed at ALZ.org. Links and Resources:Alzheimer’s Association WebsiteThe 10 Warning Signs of Alzheimer’s WorksheetMy ALZ Journey - a new app brought to you by the Alzheimer's Association that puts all of their resources in one easy place for people who are first diagnosed The Empowered Caregiver - Support Groups, Local Chapters and Online Community for caregivers to those with Alzheimer’s and Dementia. 24/7 Helpline - Yes, this helpline is still a thing AND a useful tool when you need help directly in the moment! A professional staff can guide you through all of your questions, day or night! Trial Match - Are you interested in being a part of a clinical research study? See if you qualify and what studies are happening now!Chapters00:00 Introduction to Dr. Elizabeth Edgerly25:03 The Comfort of Nostalgia: Peanut M&Ms and Family Bonds27:27 Preserving Dignity30:36 Early, Middle and Late Stages of Alzheimer's35:12 The Importance of Early Diagnosis38:59 Emerging Treatments and Blood Tests for Alzheimer's45:54 Understanding Amyloid and Neurofibrillary Tangles53:47 Hormonal Health and Alzheimer's01:00:52 Resources for Alzheimer's Caregivers01:04:02 Real Talk

Downsizing and moving your aging parents is one of the hardest tasks of all time. Or maybe your loved one has already passed and you are tasked with selling a home and going through a lifetime of belongings. It’s. Brutal. Seriously, it’s the definition of overwhelm. Where do you begin? In this episode, we welcome guest Alli Rubin who is a professional moving manager and a true ‘easy button’ when it comes to tackling this enormous task. Alli shares actionable tips on how to approach going through all of the stuff along with a thoughtful conversation about how our objects do hold meaning and the way we can honor the past while finding closure and moving on. It’s a good one, welcome to The Sandwich Generation Pod!TakeawaysThe difference between a Hoarder and a Saver - we all think our parents are hoarders, but are they really?It’s a gift to move your parents while they are still alive - start the conversations and process early!Our objects, our things and our stuff hold meaning. They tell stories. Let's honor that while also downsizing and guest Alli Rubin provides actionable tips to dealing with all of the ‘stuff’. How to make the new place feel like home.How to keep objects for future generations and remember our loved ones.The difference between hiring a professional mover vs junk removal - and the realistic costs. How our objects can live on and give meaning to others!Working with Siblings and creating boundaries and deadlines around the moving process!Links and ResourcesGet in touch with Alli Rubin: [email protected]**The Following resources are based in Minnesota**Estate Sales MinnesotaPRISM MPLS - Donate to the Shop for Change Thrift Shop and Marketplace Food Shelf.SAVERS - Declutter Responsibly.STEP - Accepts donations for food and clothing.Bridging - Accepts Furniture, housewares, linens, small appliances, electronics, mirrors, artwork and pictures. JFCS Hag Sameach Program -  provides personalized holiday gifts, ritual items, and household necessities to families and individuals who are in need.Astound Video - Converting VHS, Photographs, CD's, and Video Tape transfers to digital format. Chapters00:00 Introduction to the Podcast and Guests01:12 Meet Alli Rubin04:39 When is the right time to call a mover?14:19 Hoarder vs Saver19:06 Helping families downsize30:52 Our objects hold meaning34:42 The energy our objects hold and passing that along38:30 The difference between hiring a mover and junk removal43:15 Estate Sales and Resellers46:45 Setting Boundaries and Timelines51:55 Start the moving conversation early, make the calls and plan56:12 Outro56:53 Real Talk

Have you ever been asked by a friend, “What can I do to help?” and you go blank?! Yeah, us too. Being in The Sandwich Generation is a lot. And it’s oftentimes hard for our friends and ourselves to communicate just how lonely it feels and how much we need our friends. In this episode hosts Robyn Frank and Eliesa Johnson discuss the challenges of maintaining friendships, having the capacity and some great tips on how we can accept help and love from our friends. Lets learn together on how to call upon our village, so we can feel a little less alone!TakeawaysLife can feel heavy and lonely when you’re in the Sandwich Generation and it’s oftentimes hard to share your true feelings with friends. We need our friendships, now more than ever - but how do we ask for help?Friends can show support in simple, meaningful waysFriendship is essential and can be a source of strength during tough times.It's important to include friends in the caregiving journey, even if it's just sharing updates.Friendship is essential and can be a source of strength during tough timesRecognizing the efforts of friends and expressing gratitude strengthens relationships. Chapters00:00 Intro to Friendships01:17 It feels lonely when you're 'Sandwiched'06:04 The importance of work friendships 09:26 It takes a village12:59 Things aren't as they used to be - and that's okay!19:57 What can I do for you?28:25 To Laugh or Cry Segment30:15 Examples of how friends have shown up37:42 Keeping our Parent's friendships alive and well42:51 A recap and Survival Guide to Friendships in the Sandwich Generation47:13 Outro

Raise your hand if you’re a caregiver who has needed to manage your parent’s finances and you think - oh F*ck - this is A LOT more difficult than I expected?!? We think everyone in the room right now feels this way! No matter how full or empty the bank account is, opening the books to your parents finances, managing the cost of care and navigating the emotions of money is a journey that is riddled with feelings. In this episode, we welcome Shannon Foreman, CEO and Founder of Forethought Planning. Shannon is a three-time-sandwiched caregiver herself and has helped countless families walk through the money conversations. We are SO grateful for Shannon’s wisdom in this podcast as we dive into conversations around what legacy really means, long term care insurances, Medicare vs Medicaid and most importantly - how to bring up ‘the money talk’ with your parents, while bringing empathy and humanity to the conversation. “Money and Health are so important, intertwined and personal. Just like you need a good bedside manner for health, you have to have a good bedside manner for money too.” - Shannon ForemanLinks + Resources: Forethought Planning Podcast: For more deep dives and advice from Shannon Foreman, check out her podcast! Here is a link for Long Term Care Specific Episodes!Cost of Care Quote: Use this site to calculate the cost of care in your area!*Minnesota* Medical Assistance *Minnesota* Senior Linkage LineSchromen Law, LLC - Legal Professionals who specialize in Medical Assistance PlanningTypes of Long-Term Care Insurance & AlternativesA. Traditional LTC InsuranceAnnual premiums, use-it-or-lose-itHealth underwriting requiredOften less flexibleB. Hybrid LTC (Life Insurance + LTC Rider)Permanent life insurance with LTC benefitsIf care is never needed, legacy benefit remainsUsually more expensive upfront, but asset-basedC. Annuities with LTC BenefitsIncome-producing tool with care coverage if neededCan be repurposed from existing retirement accountsD. Alternatives to InsuranceSelf-funding (for high-net-worth clients)Medicaid Planning (asset spend-down, trusts)Family caregiving (and its financial/emotional costs)Chapters00:00 Navigating Finances in Caregiving06:19 Starting Difficult Conversations11:52 Understanding Legal Documents18:23 The Reality of Long-Term Care Insurance24:25 How has Financial Planning Changed for today's Generation25:56 Medicare vs. Medicaid Explained30:53 The Challenges of Medical Assistance35:52 Leaving a Legacy and what does that mean39:20 Conversations to plan for a better future for our generation41:17 Medicaid and Elder Waiver44:18 Planning for our own futures47:13 Is it ever too late to hire a professional?50:00 The first steps in getting your shit together53:04 Having Empathy and Humanity to the hard conversations57:25 Real Talk

How the f*ck am I supposed to fit in self care? This is a question we ask ourselves all. of. the. Time. (especially while living this ‘sandwiched’ lifestyle). With the algorithms feeding us endless articles about all the ways we ‘should’ be doing self care, frankly, it all feels like a scam. In this episode, we (Eliesa Johnson and Robyn Frank) open up about the frustrations around taking care of ourselves while being caregivers for both our children and parents. We give some realistic examples of how we fit in tiny moments of joy that help us cope with the stress, along with a deeper conversation on how watching our parents age has had an effect on our own health journeys. And did we mention we talk about making CPAPs sexy?! That’s right - welcome to The Sandwich Generation Pod!TakeawaysSelf care feels like a scam because there is NO time people! Being ‘sandwiched’ and watching our parents age has only made us reflect on our own health journey - because we want to stay as healthy as possible for our children as they grow!Taking vitamins might be all the self care there is for the day!Shoutout to CPAP machines and amazing sleep! CPAPs are COOL, y’all!Finding radical acceptance is important for our mental well being when we’re in the midst of caregiving.Everything you do each day is enough. Journaling, therapy, indulging in a great coffee / cocktail, nutrient dense food are all things we’ve found as small joys along the way. Creating boundaries around your time from caregiving is self care. It’s okay to just survive some days; recognizing that is part of self care.Chapters00:00 Introduction 00:47 The Reality of Self-Care in Busy Lives01:57 Our Personal Self-Care Practices and Challenges07:09 Making CPAP Machines Sexy and how Sleep is EVERYTHING15:06 How bedtime with our kids became the best time19:53 Our own Health Awakening from watching our parents age27:11 Prioritizing our health for our own aging29:38 Setting Boundaries: Caring for Family33:54 Practical Hacks: Self-Care in Everyday Life37:52 Radical Acceptance: What we are doing is enough40:35 Outro

Sibling dynamics can be tricky - no matter how loving or estranged you are. Then add in kids, aging parents, living across the country and having to make some big, real-time, decisions together as you begin caregiving for your loved ones. Holy shit - it’s a lot. In this episode, we welcome Lisa Frank, Robyn’s sister to the show. The Frank sisters talk candidly about the complexities in navigating care for their aging parents, while managing their own families and being sisters. From living states apart, to dividing and conquering and overcoming our own bullshit to focus on their parent’s wellbeing - we talk about it all. Eliesa also chimes in with some perspective on being an only child and we share some insights on how to support one another - and our parents - while being siblings in The Sandwich Generation. In this episode we let the emotions flow, because this is real life!TakeawaysHow to show up for your siblings while caregiving:Build your “Cabinet”, either with your siblings or with trusted family and friends who you can get advice from in making all of the decisions. Also, build a “Cabinet” of your parent’s friends who can continue to reach out and support them. Divide and Conquer with your siblings - and recognize what each other’s strengths are.Talk about your boundaries and triggers with your siblings.Check in with your siblings - how are they doing in their lives? How is their mental health?Above all, put your own bullshit aside and focus on the wellbeing of the loved one you are caregiving for. How to show up for your peers who are in The Sandwich Generation:Send a text checking inDelivering some groceries for their parents Having a visit with their loved oneHouse cleaning - for your friends, for their parents or loved one. Offer to help with simple house projects for their parents or loved one. Chapters00:00 Navigating Caregiving with Siblings01:11 Introducing the Frank Sisters03:04 Build your Cabinet of People to Help06:11 Taking Care of your Parents while living in different States09:52 Feeling Guilt11:02 Being on the same page with your sibling16:27 Setting an example for your children19:04 Stepping up for your sibling when they need it most21:52 Setting boundaries and noticing triggers27:08 Showing up for our friends who are Sandwiched28:20 Our parents need their friends too31:50 Checking In with your Sibling35:16 What are you most proud of each other for?41:30 Being an "only" child and raising "only" children47:39 Real Talk Segment

“Are you the Power of Attorney?” When shit goes down and a health crisis happens with our aging parents, this is one of the first questions we are asked. But what the hell is a power of attorney and why do we need it? In this episode, Eliesa Johnson and Robyn Frank are joined by (the fantastic) Rachel Schromen of Schromen Law, LLC and we discuss it all. Rachel’s approach to guiding her clients through Estate Planning and Elder Law is truly remarkable and we are so grateful for her advice and real-life-tips that you can put into action to help you today!Side note: We learned Power of Attorney isn’t just for aging parents, it’s important for ALL of us. Listen in to learn more! TakeawaysWhy Power of Attorney and Health Care Directives are important for ALL of us, NOW! Including your freshly turned 18 year old.  What’s valuable about hiring an attorney to help with Estate Planning and Elder Law. How to interview attorneys to find the right personality and fit for your family. When to strategically schedule legal meetings + important appointments to allow everyone to retain the information best. How siblings should play to each other’s strengths to divide and conquer responsibilities.What’s the difference between Power of Attorney and co-signer on your parent’s bank accounts, and which one is better.Links and Resources:**The following links are resources based in the state of Minnesota.**Schromen Law, LLC - Learn more about Rachel’s practice and approach to Estate Planning and Elder Law. We know we’ll be making an appointment!10 Questions to ask your Estate Planning Attorney - A very cool document provided by Schromen Law, LLC that walks you through questions to ask while calling around for Estate Planning and Elder Law. State of Minnesota Power of Attorney Forms - If you’re interested in a DIY approach. A word of caution - these forms can seem deceivingly simple. We might recommend hiring a pro to help guide you. State of Minnesota Health Care Directive Form - If you’re interested in a DIY approach. A word of caution - these forms can seem deceivingly simple. We might recommend hiring a pro to help guide you. Low Income Resources:Mid Minnesota Legal AidLawHelpMN.OrgDo you have a hot tip for legal advice to share? Good resources beyond our state of Minnesota? Maybe you have a hilarious Laugh or Cry moment you want to contribute to our show. We want to hear from you ✨Find us on Instagram @ thesandwichgenerationpodJoin our community on SubstackEmail us: [email protected] our Website: thesandwichgenerationpod.com Chapters00:00 Meet Rachel Schromen: The Expert in Elder Law01:55 Rachel's Personal Journey with Grief and Law06:48 What the HELL is Power of Attorney?19:10 Segment: To Laugh or Cry20:36 Should I DIY the paperwork or hire a pro?28:22 Mental Capacity for the l

Are you taking care of your young kids and aging parents? Are you feeling like you’re in the messy middle and you don’t know where to go? We felt the same way so we started this podcast ♡In this episode, we discuss the challenges faced by the sandwich generation, who are simultaneously caring for aging parents and raising young children. Our conversation introduces us, your charming co-hosts, Robyn Frank and Eliesa Johnson, as we share our personal experiences with being sandwiched. We also explore the emotional and financial burdens of caregiving, the importance of community support, and our hopes and dreams for The Sandwich Generation Pod and how we want YOU to be a part of it all! ✨Takeaways:Why is caregiving so emotionally and physically taxing?Community support is crucial!How isolation plays into the strugglesNavigating the complex process of Assisted LivingHumor as a coping mechanism is realBuild that community for much-needed support!Chapters00:00 Introduction to The Sandwich Generation Pod05:20 What IS Sandwich Generation?10:41 Our Hopes and Dreams for this Podcast14:19 Engagement and Community BuildingLinks and Resources:We want to hear from you and invite you to be a part of the community we are building! Do you want to share your story of being in The Sandwich Generation? Do you have a question or topic you’d love us to talk about? Maybe you have a very funny or terribly sad To Laugh or Cry Moment? We’d love to hear from you however you want to show up and you can find us in these spaces:Find us on Instagram @ thesandwichgenerationpodJoin our community on SubstackEmail us: [email protected] our Website: thesandwichgenerationpod.com

A quick glimpse of what is to come - Season 1 of The Sandwich Generation Pod will be launching in Mid July 2025. This will be a humorous podcast about caregiving for the young, old, and all of the chaos in between. Hosted by Eliesa Johnson and Robyn Frank ✨Follow us @thesandwichgenerationpod