CMO Confidential

A CMO Confidential Interview with Kim Whitler, professor at the University of Virginia Darden School of Business, board member and former GM and CMO. Kim shares recent research which details why the largest and best companies often get dragged into conflicts they can't win, the three main forces of pressure and how they affect different management levels, and tips on picking the right company for you.Key discussion topics include:- The only stance agreed on by 100% of consumers- How to think about non-divisive activism (e.g. Dove's Real Beauty Campaign)- The danger of in-group biasTune in to hear why "You don't have to get engaged," and tips for getting an unbiased view.⏱️ Chapters01:12 Introducing Kim Whitler01:39 Why Corporate Activism Creates Business Risk02:51 Inside the “Executive Flip-Flop” Study04:11 Mapping the 3 Sources of Pressure on Leaders06:01 Internal vs External Pressure Dynamics11:19 The “Pressure Meter” Framework Explained12:33 Key Insight: Pressure Varies by Level (C-Suite vs Managers)14:18 The Myth of “You Must Take a Stand”17:09 Flawed Research Driving Activism Decisions21:19 When Brand Activism Works vs Backfires27:04 Choosing the Right Company as a Marketer31:06 AI Bias, Media Influence & Finding Truth38:11 Practical Advice: Avoiding In-Group Bias in Leadership43:25 Final Takeaways for MarketersThis episode is sponsored by Typeface - the agentic AI marketing platform that turns one idea into thousands of on-brand assets. Learn more: typeface.ai/cmo Subscribe for weekly episodes featuring world-class marketing leaders, board members, and C-Suite executives.#CMOConfidential, #MarketingLeadership, #BrandStrategy, #CorporateActivism, #MarketingStrategy, #CMO, #AIinMarketing, #ExecutiveLeadership, #BrandReputation, #ConsumerTrust, #DigitalMarketing, #MarketingInsights, #ThoughtLeadership, #BusinessStrategy, #CustomerCentricSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Jean English, CMO of CoreWeave, formerly the CMO of Juniper Networks, Armis, Palo Alto Networks and NetApp. Jean discusses the dynamics driving the voracious demand for computing power, why cloud infrastructure matters so much, and the ongoing AI shift from training to inference. Key topics include: - How models are leapfrogging each other at speed- The importance of B2B brands at a time when decisions are often made by teams of people- Why marketing is a great use case for AI- Creative uses for hackathonsTune in to hear why "80% right" is okay and a story about using AI for parenting advice. This episode is sponsored by Typeface - the agentic AI marketing platform that turns one idea into thousands of on-brand assets. Learn more: typeface.ai/cmoSubscribe for weekly episodes featuring world-class marketing leaders, board members, and C-Suite executives.⏱️ Chapters01:31 Guest Intro: Jean English (CMO, CoreWeave) 02:39 What CoreWeave Does (AI Cloud Explained) 04:20 AI Hype vs Reality 07:05 The AI Market & Competitive Landscape 09:40 Building an AI Brand 11:00 Buying Groups & Enterprise Complexity 13:01 Measuring AI Infrastructure Performance 15:32 Why Brand Matters in AI 18:11 IPO, Growth & Market Expansion 20:34 AI’s Impact on Marketing Teams 24:32 Infrastructure, Scale & Future Demand 28:26 Final Advice for Marketers + Closing#AI #ArtificialIntelligence #CMO #MarketingLeadership #B2BMarketing #AIMarketing #GenerativeAI #AIInfrastructure #CloudComputing #DigitalTransformation #MarketingStrategy #FutureOfWork #AITrends #TechLeadership #BrandStrategy #EnterpriseAI #Innovation #MarketingAI #Leadership #ContentAtScaleSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Joe Perello, the founder of PROPS, a creator marketing technology platform, formerly the first CMO of New York City under Michael Bloomberg.Joe shares his take on why consumer brand trust is declining, how viewers can be both distracted and disciplined, and why AI agents can be more trusted than brands.Key topics include: - The difference between influencers, celebrities and creators- A restaurant analogy designed to help marketers think through their line-up of choices- Some methods to gauge and measure authenticity.Tune in to hear a case study on Patagonia and a fantastic story about a giant popsicle in Union Square.This episode is sponsored by Typeface - the agentic AI marketing platform that turns one idea into thousands of on-brand assets. Learn more: typeface.ai/cmo Subscribe for weekly episodes featuring world-class marketing leaders, board members, and C-Suite executives. ⏱️ Chapters01:30 Meet Joe Perello & Today’s Topic: The Credibility Challenge02:26 Making Content Is Easy, Earning Trust Is Hard03:55 Why Credibility Doesn’t Scale05:23 Are Consumers Distracted or Disciplined?06:03 Trust in B2B vs B2C Marketing07:09 The Long Decline of Trust in Brands & Institutions08:08 Is There Still a Trust Reservoir?09:30 Do Consumers Trust AI More Than Brands?10:39 Optimizer vs Persuader: Why It Matters11:00 Break: Typeface Marketing Orchestration12:20 Did AI Cause the Trust Crisis or Amplify It?14:07 Why AI and Creators Feel More “Objective”15:02 Creator vs Influencer vs Celebrity Marketing17:29 The Restaurant Analogy Explained19:33 Real Creator Example: AAA & Road‑Trip Storytelling21:25 When Creators Become Influencers23:36 Authenticity Depends on the Story You Ask Them to Tell25:03 Do Consumers Understand These Distinctions?26:50 How Brands Should Use Celebrities, Influencers & Creators28:50 What’s Easiest to Measure and Why CFOs Care31:38 Patagonia: A Gold Standard for Creator‑Led Trust33:22 Content First, Brand Second = Trust34:21 Can You Measure Trust? Proxies That Matter36:37 Storytime: The 50‑Foot Snapple Popsicle Fail41:11 Final Thoughts & Where to Find More Episodes #CMOConfidential, #MarketingLeadership, #BrandTrust, #CreatorMarketing, #InfluencerMarketing, #AuthenticityInMarketing, #AIandMarketing, #MarketingStrategy, #BrandCredibility,, #ModernMarketing, #B2BMarketing, #B2CMarketing, #ContentStrategy, #TrustEconomy, #MediaAndMarketingSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Rishad Tobaccowala, former Publicis Groupe Strategy & Growth Officer, speaker, podcast host of "What's Next," and author.Rishad discusses why marketing will thrive in an AI world, the reason all companies should systematically re-evaluate their business starting with a blank sheet of paper, and why the future will be determined by those over 65. Key topics include: - Why AI will obliterate marketing silos- The concept of managing humans, aliens and replicants- Why he's an optimist - The case for investigating if you are building a brand or executing optimization math. Tune in to hear about the concept of unbossing and a fabulous shipping container analogy. This episode is sponsored by Typeface - the agentic AI marketing platform that turns one idea into thousands of on-brand assets. Learn more: typeface.ai/cmoSubscribe for weekly episodes featuring world-class marketing leaders, board members, and C-Suite executives.⏱️ Chapters01:22 Meet Rishad Tobaccowala02:27 The Marketing Industry Is Being Rewritten by AI03:00 Why Silos (Ads, CRM, Sales) Are Breaking Down06:26 What Marketing Really Means Today08:00 Humans, AI, and Agents in the Workforce13:31 Efficiency Isn’t the Disruption—Business Models Are18:00 AI as a New Brain, Not a Tool27:00 Why People Over 65 Will Shape the Future31:00 Five Hard Truths Every Leader Must Face35:29 A Bold Prediction for Agencies by 202638:00 Final Advice: Lead with Optimism, Not Fear#CMOConfidential, #RishadTobaccowala, #MarketingLeadership, #FutureOfMarketing, #ArtificialIntelligence, #AgenticAI, #AIInMarketing, #BusinessTransformation, #DigitalStrategy, #MarketingStrategy, #BrandBuilding, #FutureOfWork, #WorkforceTransformation, #Leadership, #CMO, #EnterpriseAI, #ContentOrchestration, #MarketingInnovation, #CustomerCentricity, #MediaIndustrySee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

"The Unit Economics of AI - Can Large Language Models (LLMs) Actually Make Money?"A CMO Confidential Interview with Dr. Dan McCarthy, Professor at Maryland and leading practitioner of Customer Lifetime Value (CLV). Dan shares how the CLV lens can shed light on the LLM drive to acquire customers, spend billions to improve the models, ultimately pay back investors and the potential implications on both marketers and consumers. Key topics include: - Why Gemini has a built in pricing advantage which forces all freemium offerings to be very good- Why all companies should have a “diversity of providers”- The rationale for constantly evaluating each model- Why “AI foundational knowledge” is key to generating success from both employees and students. Tune in to hear about the "customer barbell" and why you should “talk to your phone.”This episode is sponsored by Typeface - the agentic AI marketing platform that turns one idea into thousands of on-brand assets. Learn more: typeface.ai/cmoSubscribe for weekly episodes featuring world-class marketing leaders, board members, and C-Suite executives.#AIEconomics #CustomerLifetimeValue #CLV #GenerativeAI #AIBusinessModels #OpenAIEconomics #ChatGPTMonetization #AIValuation #AIUnitEconomics #InferenceCosts #AITrainingCosts #FreemiumModels #SubscriptionEconomics #SaaSProfitability #MarketingStrategy #CMOInsights #MarketingLeadership #AIForMarketers #EnterpriseAI #AIRetention #AICustomerAcquisition #LargeLanguageModels #LLMEconomics #AIAdvertising #AIRandD #FutureOfAIBusinessSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Shiv Singh, CEO of Savvy Matters, Co-Founder of AI Trailblazers, former CMO of Lending Tree, and author of Marketing with AI for Dummies. Shiv discusses how to operate in an environment where "We have no idea about what is coming," how managing humans and AI agents impacts leadership, and why he believes marketers will need to make fewer, harder decisions. Key topics include: why losing isn't fatal, but forgetting is; the risk of thinking human beings are special; and the concept of "invisible failure." Tune in to hear why you should rewrite your job description and become a "wartime" leader.Topics Covered:- Where Is AI Taking Marketing?- Leadership in a Human + AI Workforce- Fewer, Harder Strategic Bets for CMOs- AI’s Impact on Creativity and Marketing Processes- Context Graphs, Memory, and the Future of Marketing OperationsThis episode is sponsored by Typeface - the agentic AI marketing platform that turns one idea into thousands of on-brand assets. Learn more: typeface.ai/cmo Subscribe for weekly episodes featuring world-class marketing leaders, board members, and C-Suite executives.⏱️ Chapters00:00 – Welcome to CMO Confidential01:38 – Meet Shiv Singh02:35 – Where is AI Taking Marketing? The "Jagged Frontier" of AI06:10 – What Does Leadership Look Like Managing Humans + AI Agents09:35 – Making Fewer, Harder Strategic Bets10:50 – Budget Pressure, Boards, and AI Expectations14:43 – Invisible Failure in AI Adoption17:26 – AI and the Future of Creativity21:26 – Governance, Consumer Acceptance, and AI Bias26:05 – The End of the Marketing Brief27:40 – Who Remembers Wins: Context Graphs Explained31:47 – Building a Marketing Context Layer35:30 – What Marketers Should Be Doing Now37:38 – Anthropic vs. Government: AI Ethics & Risk42:38 – Predictions Through 202645:04 – The Changing Definition of a Marketer45:50 – Funniest Story and Practical Advice#AIMarketing #MarketingLeadership #CMOConfidential #ShivSingh #GenerativeAI #FutureOfMarketing #AIStrategy #CreativeAI #MarketingTransformation #EnterpriseAISee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week on CMO Confidential, we're revisiting our conversation with Peri Hansen from July of 2025 - this is one of our favorites with topics just as relevant to marketers today.  Peri discusses why the CMO position is becoming the vanguard of innovation, the importance of an "agile learner" mindset, and why there's no substitute for great leadership. Key topics include: how nothing "returned to normal" after COVID; the importance of org design; and why CMO's should own the entire customer life cycle and help drive company strategy. Tune in to hear why references matter more than ever and the importance of building a personal brand.  Topics Covered: • Why CMOs are being tapped to drive innovation and transformation • The post-COVID shift in org design and what it means for marketing • The importance of leadership, agility, and continuous learning • Why great references still matter in the hiring process • How CMOs can (and should) influence company-wide strategy  This episode is sponsored by Typeface - the agentic AI marketing platform that turns one idea into thousands of on-brand assets. Learn more: typeface.ai/cmo Subscribe for weekly episodes featuring world-class marketing leaders, board members, and C-Suite executives.⏱️ Chapters01:20 – Intro: The Evolving Role of the CMO01:46 – Meet Peri Hansen: Korn Ferry CMO Practice Leader02:39 – Why the CMO is Now the Vanguard of Innovation05:53 – Three New Mandates for CMOs: Tech, Strategy & Lifecycle07:05 – The CMO as a Change Agent and Team Builder09:51 – Tech CMOs Are Leading—Who’s Catching Up?12:25 – Building Tech Credibility as a Marketing Leader14:18 – “Nothing Returned to Normal” After COVID14:51 – Post-COVID Turnover: What CEOs and Boards Want Now16:07 – What’s Replacing the Traditional CMO Role?19:15 – Why Org Design Is a Top Priority in CMO Searches20:58 – How Companies Realize They Need Org Restructuring22:44 – The AI Era: Is There a Leadership Gap Forming?24:14 – What Agile Leadership Actually Looks Like25:51 – What Resumes Reveal: Pivot Points and Risk-Taking27:21 – Why References Matter More Than Ever29:09 – Final Advice: CMOs, Build Your Own Personal Brand30:53 – Wrap Up & Where to Find More CMO Confidential Content#CMOConfidential #PeriHansen @kornferryintl #ChiefMarketingOfficer #Leadership #OrgDesign #CustomerExperience #MarketingStrategy #PersonalBrand #ExecutiveSearch #CMOInsightsSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Dave Penski, CEO of Connected Media, formerly CEO of Publicis Media, COO of Publicis Groupe, and CEO of ZenithOptimedia. Dave shares perspective on how clients are managing through a challenging marketplace, how there's increasing "disruption" between consumers and advertisers, and why the future of media is based on "connected identity." Key topics include: why Publicis continues to invest in tech; why 2027 will bring increased challenges for marketers; how different business verticals are impacted by "the economic K curve;" and why sports is "as AI proof as it gets." Tune in to hear why you should know your customer as precisely as possible across all media types and thoughts on the potential impacts of gambling and NIL (Name, Image and Likeness) on the golden goose of sports. Dave Penski, CEO of Publicis Media (twice over) and former COO of Publicis Groupe, returns to CMO Confidential for a wide-ranging conversation with host Mike Linton on the forces reshaping marketing, media, and the agency business in 2026. Dave offers a rare economist's-eye view across verticals — from tariffs and consumer confidence to the K-economy, AI's real (and overhyped) impact on agencies, the in-housing cycle that never quite materialized as predicted, and why 2027 may be the toughest advertising year in recent memory.Topics covered: connected identity, Publicis' $12B investment thesis, creative and engineering transformation via AI, streaming consolidation, the fragmentation of sports viewing, gambling regulation, and the one piece of career advice Dave still gives every mentee.*This episode is brought to you by Scrunch . Learn more at scrunchai.com/cmo🎙️ Host: Mike Linton — Former CMO of Best Buy, eBay, Farmers Insurance & Ancestry.com👤 Guest: Dave Penske — CEO, Publicis Media🔔 New episodes every Tuesday. Find our full catalog of 160+ episodes on YouTube, Spotify & Apple Podcasts.## ⏱️ Chapter Markers0:00 Welcome to CMO Confidential0:23 Introducing Dave Penske & Today's Topic1:13 State of the Business Marketplace: Volatility, Tariffs & Fragmentation4:40 The Agency Landscape: Publicis vs. the Competition5:23 Publicis' $12B Investment Strategy & Connected Media7:42 What "Connected Identity" Actually Means11:10 Forces on Agency Economics & Valuations13:21 Why Agency Valuations Have Taken a Hit16:48 The In-Housing Debate: 10 Years In, What's Really Happening23:55 AI & Agencies: Creative, Production & Engineering Disruption29:01 AI on the Buy Side: Faster Planning & Measurement30:20 The Hollowing Out of the Middle Class & the K-Economy34:00 2026 Marketplace Outlook: Midterms, Olympics Dollars & Risk40:21 Streaming: Paramount/Warner Brothers & the New Big Six42:37 Sports: AI-Proof, Must-See TV & the NIL Problem44:45 The Fragmented Sports Viewing Experience46:00 Gambling: Engagement Boost or Threat to the Game?48:47 What CMOs Should Be Building Now for 202750:47 Closing Advice: The One Thing Dave Still Tells Every Mentee```CMO Confidential, Mike Linton, Dave Penske, Publicis Media, agency business, media industry 2026, connected identity, Epsilon, AI in advertising, AI and agencies, in-housing, media fragmentation, advertising marketplace, K-economy, middle class economy, streaming consolidation, Paramount Warner Brothers, sports advertising, sports gambling, NIL reform, agency valuations, Publicis Groupe, media planning, marketing leadership, CMO podcast, advertising trends, tariffs and advertising, media buying, retail media, influencer marketing, Sapient, AI creative production, upfront TV, Olympic advertising, World Cup advertising, midterm elections advertising, marketing strategy 2027, chief marketing officer```See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Dave Penski, CEO of Connected Media, formerly CEO of Publicis Media, COO of Publicis Groupe, and CEO of ZenithOptimedia. Dave shares perspective on how clients are managing through a challenging marketplace, how there's increasing "disruption" between consumers and advertisers, and why the future of media is based on "connected identity." Key topics include: why Publicis continues to invest in tech; why 2027 will bring increased challenges for marketers; how different business verticals are impacted by "the economic K curve;" and why sports is "as AI proof as it gets." Tune in to hear why you should know your customer as precisely as possible across all media types and thoughts on the potential impacts of gambling and NIL (Name, Image and Likeness) on the golden goose of sports.In this episode of CMO Confidential, host Mike Linton sits down with Dave Penski, two-time CEO of Publicis Media and former COO of Publicis Groupe, for a wide-ranging conversation on the forces reshaping media, agencies, and marketing strategy. Dave offers a ground-level view from one of the largest holding companies in the world — covering everything from the fragmented ad marketplace and AI's real-world impact, to the K-economy, streaming consolidation, sports gambling risk, and what CMOs should be building toward in 2027.This episode covers:Why the current ad marketplace is volatile — and which verticals are feeling it mostPublicis's $12B+ investment thesis around connected identity (Epsilon, Mars United, influencer)The real story on agency insourcing: who wins, who loses, and what "outsourcing back out" looks likeWhere AI is actually delivering — creative production, media planning speed, and Sapient's engineering workThe K-economy, hollowing out of the middle class, and what it means for advertising spendStreaming consolidation: why the Paramount/Warner Bros. deal is a win for advertisersSports as the most AI-proof content — and why gambling regulation is a threat to the whole modelWhat CMOs should be investing in now to win in 2027New episodes of CMO Confidential drop every Tuesday. Find our full catalog of 160+ episodes on Spotify, Apple, and YouTube.TIMESTAMPED CHAPTER MARKERS0:00 - Welcome to CMO Confidential0:23 - Introducing Dave Penski, CEO of Publicis Media1:13 - State of the Business Marketplace: Volatility, Tariffs & Fragmentation4:40 - The Agency Landscape: Publicis vs. the Field5:49 - Publicis's $12B Investment Strategy & Connected Media Vision7:42 - What "Connected Identity" Actually Means (Epsilon, 255M IDs)11:35 - Agency Valuations, Margins & Who's Growing vs. Who's Cutting13:21 - The Insourcing Debate: In-House, Out-House & "Re-Housing"23:55 - AI's Real Impact on Agencies: Creative, Engineering & Media Planning30:20 - The K-Economy: Hollowing Out the Middle Class & Advertiser Confidence35:04 - The 2026 Upfront Outlook: Olympics Dollars, Midterms & What's Next40:01 - Streaming Consolidation: Paramount + Warner Bros. & the Six-Player Model42:37 - Sports as AI-Proof Content & the Fragmented Viewing Problem46:00 - Gambling: Bullish on Sports, Bearish on the Regulation Gap48:47 - CMO Advice: What to Build Now for 2027 Success50:47 - Final Advice: The Most Underrated Career Skill Is Still PunctualityTAGSCMO Confidential, Mike Linton, Dave Penski, Publicis Media, Publicis Groupe, agency business, media agency, holding company, connected identity, Epsilon, AI in marketing, AI advertising, media fragmentation, programmatic advertising, insourcing, in-house agency, agency valuations, K-economy, middle class marketing, consumer confidence, advertising marketplace, streaming consolidation, Paramount Warner Bros, sports advertising, sports media, NIL, college sports gambling, sports betting regulation, upfront market, media planning, CMO strategy, marketing leadership, CMO podcast, marketing podcast, chief marketing officer, 2027 marketing strategy, media buying, agency economics, Sapient, creative production AI, marketing AI toolsSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Megan Lally, the CEO and Co-Owner of Highdive, an agency which has created more than 10 Super Bowl ads. Megan explains why you shouldn't separate brand building from AI, the risk of optimization overwhelming strategy, and the importance of having partners tell you what you need to hear. Key discussion topics include: deciding whether your brand should or shouldn't be in the Super Bowl; why it's often challenging to have a good relationship with your agency; why brands should consider skipping the pitch process; and the reason you should ask your agency "Are you doing your best work for us?" Tune in to hear why you shouldn't care about "what everyone else is wearing to the party" when judging creative and case studies on Jeep, Lays and MSC Cruises.What does your agency really want to tell you — but won't? Megan Lally, CEO and Co-owner of **High Dive**, pulls back the curtain on the client-agency relationship: why great creative gets killed before it starts, when the pitch process does more harm than good, and the two questions every CMO should be asking their agency right now.Megan shares how AI is *saving* ideas rather than replacing them (the Jeep talking-animals campaign), why State Farm became the #1 consumer brand in 2025 by outperforming competitors who outspend them, what makes the Super Bowl worth it (and when it isn't), and why blending in with your competitors is the costliest marketing decision you can make.This episode is hosted by Mike Linton — former CMO of Best Buy, eBay, Farmers Insurance, and Ancestry.com.---🎙️ **This episode is sponsored by Scrunch** — the agent experience platform that helps your brand show up when consumers start with AI. Get a free website audit at **scrunch.com/cmo**--- Chapter Markers```0:00 - Intro & Sponsor: Scrunch1:24 - Meet Megan Lally, CEO of High Dive2:16 - AI vs. Brand Building: Why It's a False Choice5:04 - How AI Saved the Jeep Talking Animals Campaign8:00 - Why Marketing Is Still Treated as a Cost, Not an Investment9:17 - State Farm, Batman, and Measuring Breakthrough Creative11:33 - Super Bowl Strategy: Who Should (and Shouldn't) Be There13:32 - B2B Brands and the Super Bowl15:00 - What Makes Great Agency-Client Relationships16:22 - Why Radical Candor Is So Hard in Practice18:27 - How to Deliver Hard Truths Without Blowing Up the Room19:47 - Testing Chemistry During the Pitch Process22:28 - Why Clients Should Skip the Traditional Pitch24:33 - How Agency Search Consultants Can Help (or Hurt)25:49 - One Thing to Do This Year to Improve Your Agency Relationship26:37 - The "One Thing" Rule: The Lay's Super Bowl Example28:17 - Final Advice: Two Questions to Ask Your Agency Now30:27 - Funny Story: The Cheese That Won Jeep32:03 - Closing & Show Recommendations```--- TagsCMO Confidential, Megan Lally, High Dive Agency, Mike Linton, Chief Marketing Officer, agency client relationship, creative agency, brand building, AI and marketing, Super Bowl advertising, Jeep campaign, State Farm marketing, Lays Super Bowl ad, independent creative agency, breakthrough creative, marketing strategy, CMO podcast, how to work with an agency, agency pitch process, radical candor marketing, B2B marketing, marketing ROI, brand investment, marketing leadership, performance marketing vs brand, Scrunch, agent experience platform`See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Richard Sanderson, the Marketing, Sales and Communications Practice Leader at Spencer Stuart. Richard's topline - Shorter Tenures, Brighter Futures - with tenure stable at 4.1 years, nearly 2/3 of CMO's moving for similar or better positions, an increase in promotions from within, and marketers under pressure to produce AI results. Key topics include: the challenge of developing a broad skill set in a market focused on specialization; why 2026 is the "show me the money year for AI;" and how marketers and search firms are adopting when there's "no obvious playbook." Tune in to hear why you should be prepared to explain how you use AI in your personal life. What does the data actually say about CMO tenure, AI's impact on marketing teams, and whether your job is safe? Richard Sanderson, who leads the Marketing, Communications & Sales practice at Spencer Stuart, returns for his fifth appearance on CMO Confidential to break down two major studies: Spencer Stuart's 25-year CMO tenure survey and a new proprietary AI impact study of 100 CMOs.The data may surprise you — and some of it should concern you.---*This episode is brought to you by  @ScrunchAI  ---🎙️ Host: Mike Linton, former CMO of Best Buy, eBay, Farmers Insurance & Ancestry.com👤 Guest: Richard Sanderson, Spencer Stuart – Marketing, Communications & Sales Practice Leader---**CHAPTERS:**0:00 – Introduction & Richard Sanderson Background1:07 – Two Studies: CMO Tenure & AI Impact3:00 – CMO Tenure Overview: Shorter Tenures, Brighter Futures4:38 – Average CMO Tenure vs. The C-Suite5:55 – Where CMOs Go After They Leave6:36 – The CMO-Plus Role: CRO, CCO & Evolving Titles9:00 – Insider vs. Outsider Hiring & Succession Planning12:28 – AI Study: Marketers See 2026 as Make-or-Break13:18 – Headcount Cuts: Past vs. What's Coming14:20 – Efficiency Targets at the Largest Companies16:21 – CMOs in the Messy Middle17:18 – Where Teams Stand on the AI Adoption Journey18:29 – Who's Leading AI Strategy Inside Companies20:25 – Impact on Career Development & Future Marketing Leaders21:30 – How Job Descriptions Are Being Rewritten for AI23:32 – No Playbook: Learning as You Go24:14 – Brand Trust & the Risks of AI-First Advertising26:00 – Takeaways: What to Do Now28:01 – Ostriches vs. Wolves — Which One Are You?29:46 – Practical Advice: Treating AI Agents Like New Hires---**TAGS:**CMO Confidential, Mike Linton, Richard Sanderson, Spencer Stuart, CMO tenure, chief marketing officer, CMO survey, AI and marketing, marketing leadership, AI impact on jobs, marketing jobs 2026, CMO career, B2B marketing, marketing strategy, AI agents, marketing teams, headcount reduction, marketing executive, C-suite leadership, AI adoption, brand trust, marketing talent, CMO role evolution, chief revenue officer, chief customer officer, marketing podcast, AI in the workplace, marketing 2026, executive leadership, Spencer Stuart CMO surveySee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

"Your Customers Aren't as Loyal as You Think They Are - The Fragile Nature of Loyalty"A CMO Confidential Interview with Nicolas Chidiac, Chief Strategy Officer of Razorfish, formerly Chief Strategy Officer of Rokkan and EVP/Head of Planning at Leo Burnett. Nic discusses why brands often overestimate consumer loyalty, why repeat purchase trends can be misleading, and the dramatic increase in speed and velocity of competition. Key discussion topics include: why it has never been easier to try a new product; how influencers have "democratized celebrity endorsement;" why marketers should focus on "removing relative friction;" and how to measure your loyalty deficit. Tune in to hear stories about White Lotus, Chewy, Dubai Chocolate and Pop Tarts. Your customers aren't as loyal as you think. Razorfish Chief Strategy Officer Nic Chidiac joins Mike Linton to unpack groundbreaking research revealing the fragile nature of brand loyalty — and why most marketers are dangerously overconfident about it.65% of marketers believe repeat buyers stay out of emotional connection to their brand. Only 15-17% of consumers agree. That gap is costing companies billions. Nic breaks down the loyalty deficit, why switching has never been easier, and what confident marketers should actually be measuring.Whether you're defending a market-leading brand or building a challenger, this episode will change how you think about loyalty programs, customer retention, and the metrics you're relying on.🎙️ Guest: Nic Chidiac, Chief Strategy Officer, Razorfish🎙️ Host: Mike Linton, Former CMO of Best Buy, eBay, Farmers Insurance & Ancestry.com---**⏱️ Chapters:**00:00 - Introduction & Welcome00:47 - About Razorfish & Nic's Background01:30 - The Loyalty Research: Key Findings02:21 - The 65% vs. 15% Marketer-Consumer Gap03:16 - Are Marketers Confusing Repeat Purchases with Loyalty?04:19 - Why Marketers Are Delusional About Loyalty06:29 - The Three Metrics Marketers Should Be Using08:16 - Industry Examples: Auto, Insurance & Switching Friction10:09 - How to Measure Propensity to Switch11:00 - Why Brand Loyalty Is More Volatile Than Ever13:18 - How Influencers Democratized Trust14:29 - The Speed of Competition: White Lotus & Four Seasons15:14 - Challenger Brands Moving Faster Than Ever (Hoka, BYD, Dubai Chocolate)18:22 - What Market Leaders Should Do Right Now19:26 - Removing Friction: A Competitive Weapon20:00 - Rewarding Moments of Vulnerability (The Chewy Example)21:00 - Winning the First Flight with a Toddler22:07 - Rethinking Loyalty Programs Beyond Behavior22:33 - The Loyalty Deficit Framework Explained23:42 - Which Industries Have the Biggest Loyalty Deficits25:11 - How AI Can Predict Switching & Defend Loyalty27:00 - The Marketplace Is Tilting Toward Consumers28:29 - Baby Boomers: The Most Neglected Consumer Segment31:15 - Funny Story: YouTubing "What Is a Pop-Tart?" at Kellogg's32:10 - Closing & Where to Find CMO Confidential---**Tags:**CMO Confidential, brand loyalty, customer retention, B2B marketing, loyalty programs, Razorfish, Nic Chidiac, Mike Linton, marketing strategy, customer experience, loyalty deficit, propensity to switch, challenger brands, performance marketing, NPS, net promoter score, customer lifetime value, CLTV, AI in marketing, agentic search, baby boomers marketing, switching behavior, repeat purchase, CMO podcast, marketing leadership, digital transformation, brand strategy, consumer behavior, marketing metrics, loyalty researchSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Bill Zengel, B2B Practice Leader and SVP of the Association of National Advertisers (ANA). Bill explains how there's nearly $2 trillion in hidden brand value in the B2B space, how to become one of the 39% of B2B marketers who are confident, why marketers should focus on contribution versus attribution, and why measurement is more complicated in the B2B space. Key discussion topics include: why one of the main emotions in B2B buyers can be fear of failure; the importance of being on the "Day One List;" and how to avoid the forces that drive conservative creative in a time where breakthrough matters. Tune in to hear if you suffer from "lead addiction" and how many fries are in a Burger King serving. The Confident B2B Marketer: The 8 Markers That Separate Winners (with ANA’s Bill Zengel)Only 39% of B2B marketers describe themselves as “confident.” In this episode of CMO Confidential, Mike Linton sits down with Bill Zengel (SVP, B2B Practice Leader at the Association of National Advertisers) to break down what the top performers do differently—and why “confidence” is really a proxy for measurable commercial contribution.Bill shares the research behind ANA’s Confident B2B Marketer study (built from a survey of 200 senior marketers) and the operating system it points to: measurement first, then AI readiness built on a real data foundation, modern ABM, buyer-group/channel strategy, brand and creativity, and the martech stack that makes it all work. The conversation also gets into the leadership tension that keeps teams stuck—lead addiction, short-term performance thinking, and the core emotion that drives B2B buying: fear.What you’ll learn:- Why B2B marketing is still unevenly managed—and why that’s changing- The 8 “markers” that correlate with B2B marketing success- Why AI readiness is mostly a data foundation problem- The shift from attribution arguments to contribution language- Why lead addiction and “performance marketing” create short-term traps- How fear shapes B2B creativity (and how winners still take smart risks)- Why customer reviews and existing customers matter more than most teams admitResources mentioned:- ANA B2B Practice: https://www.ana.net/b2bChapters:00:00 Welcome + today’s topic (The Confident B2B Marketer) + Bill Zengel01:38 Why so many B2B studies (measurement, accountability, contribution)03:01 Is B2B marketing worse managed than B2C?04:35 From “Marcom” to buyer groups + younger self-serve buyers06:00 What “confident” means + how ANA designed the study06:23 Why Bill fielded the study + surveying 200 senior marketers07:42 The “biomarkers” story: how to identify what actually matters09:18 The 8 markers (measurement, AI readiness, ABM, buyer-group/channel, brand/creativity, data foundation, martech)11:22 AI readiness explained: why data foundations are the real constraint16:05 Measurement reframed: contribution vs. attribution17:53 Brand as a moat (and why major “B2B brands” dominate value)19:56 Lead addiction + the short-term performance marketing trap22:16 The core B2B buying emotion is fear—and why that blocks creativity25:14 The B2B brand opportunity (and why solving it extends careers)26:08 What boards/CEOs should test now to avoid getting passed27:55 The “Day One List” + how peer/customer reviews shape growth28:52 Two great stories: the missing Trojan horse + Burger King fry-counting31:28 Where to find more episodes + sign-offNew shows drop every Tuesday. Subscribe for more interviews on marketing leadership, measurement, brand-to-demand, and modern B2B growth.#B2BMarketing #MarketingMeasurement #CMO #ABM #BrandStrategySee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Tom Goodwin, author, speaker, and former innovation head at Publicis, Zenith, and Havas. Tom discusses why he believes much of the thinking around AI is wrong, how social media is becoming even more shallow, and why agentic commerce will be a challenge. Key discussion topics include the difference between selling more and being able to charge more; how consumers often enjoy the shopping experience in a way that resists algorithmic understanding; and why AI adoption will follow the adoption path of electricity. Tune in to hear why 90% of people in advertising don't know how it really works and how to think of your job as making your brand exceptional. Marketing leaders are getting pulled in two directions at once: “AI will change everything” and “AI is overhyped.” In this episode of *CMO Confidential*, Mike Linton (former CMO of Best Buy, eBay, Farmers Insurance, and Ancestry) sits down with Tom Goodwin to sort through the contradictions—what’s real, what’s performative, and what executives should do next.Tom has spent his career studying innovation and change, and he brings a clear-eyed view on how AI is reshaping marketing work: where it genuinely compresses time and effort, where it increases noise and sameness, and how organizations can avoid chasing tools instead of outcomes. The conversation also touches on the hidden second-order effects—how incentives shift, how decision-making changes, and why “doing more” isn’t the same as “doing better.”If you’re a CMO, CEO, or growth leader trying to separate signal from hype, this is a practical, grounded listen.Subscribe for weekly episodes of CMO Confidential.cmo confidential, mike linton, tom goodwin, ai marketing, marketing leadership, chief marketing officer, marketing strategy, generative ai, artificial intelligence, martech, brand strategy, performance marketing, marketing effectiveness, measurement, incrementality, go to market, innovation, digital transformation, marketing operations, agency management, marketing trends 2026, executive leadership, growth strategy, content strategy, customer experience, personalization, automation, creative strategy00:00 Intro: CMO Confidential + today’s topic with Tom Goodwin01:20 Why AI creates contradictory truths in marketing05:10 The biggest misconception leaders have about “AI transformation”09:30 What AI actually compresses (and what it doesn’t)14:25 When “more content” makes marketing worse18:40 Differentiation in an AI-saturated landscape23:05 What changes inside teams: roles, incentives, accountability28:10 Measurement, trust, and the executive narrative problem33:20 Where CMOs should place bets vs. run experiments38:15 Practical questions to ask vendors, agencies, and internal teams43:10 Closing reflections + what to do nextSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Pete Imwalla, former CEO of RPA and 4A's board member. Pete shares his take on how many tech changes resulted in additional agency headcount, how AI is rapidly reversing that trend, and why many agency valuations have dropped significantly over the last 5 years. Key topics include: why brand building is like infrastructure; how Publicis is bucking the trend; how to think about "in-housing;" and why Paul Roetzer's CMO 2023 CMO Confidential show was prescient. Tune in to hear about the "2nd mover advantage" and why he hates the concept of "future proofing." Agency economics are getting rewritten in the age of AI. Mike Linton sits down with Pete Imwalle 32-year RPA veteran and former CEO to dissect what’s changing—and what leaders should do about it. They cover the shift from reach to relevance, why FTE-based fees are misaligned in an AI world, how to separate automation from actual advantage, and where in-housing does and doesn’t work. Along the way: the sustained business impact of the Farmers “We know a thing or two…” campaign, the rise of agentic workflows, and why “future-proofing” starts with culture, not clairvoyance. Chapters00:00:00 – Cold open + show setup00:00:22 – Mike’s intro, Pete’s background, and today’s topic00:01:18 – Farmers campaign wins Sustained Effie) and effectiveness creativity00:02:18 – 30 years of change: from Prodigy/AOL/CompuServe to Netscape and the open web00:03:24 – Google + broadband: when digital finally changed consumer behavior00:04:33 – Mobile’s second wave and the trap of “mobile-first/AI-first” strategies00:06:01 – How agencies adapted: leadership, curiosity, and tolerance for experimentation00:07:42 – Investing ahead of revenue: offense + defense in capability building00:08:22 – Reach fragmentation: from “40% on Cheers” to only the Super Bowl00:09:18 – The real squeeze: boards treating advertising as expense, not investment00:10:13 – Short-termism, PE/VC incentives, and brand vs. performance00:12:21 – “Adapt or die”: AI as an extinction event? (hat tip: Paul Roetzer)00:13:28 – Agentic workflows: shrinking grunt work (esp. media & strategy ops)00:16:00 – Client asks: “give me savings, don’t risk my IP”00:16:36 – Why FTE pricing disincentivizes efficiency; pay for outcomes instead00:17:51 – Three futures: AI-native, AI-emergent, or obsolete00:21:39 – Holding-company moves; why Publicis is outpacing peers00:22:00 – Agency valuations: ~40% decline over five years; second-mover advantage in AI00:26:37 – In-housing: when it works, when it backfires, and true cost to own00:28:48 – Build vs. buy: amortization, maintenance, and staying current00:30:16 – The Geico lesson: investing through the curve until returns flatten00:31:22 – What to test by EOY 2026: culture, change management, and low-hanging automation00:34:02 – Ditch “future-proofing”; hire for curiosity and adaptability00:35:35 – Wrap + where to find more CMO ConfidentialTagsCMO Confidential,Mike Linton,Pete Imwalle,RPA,agency economics,advertising,marketing leadership,AI in marketing,agentic workflows,media planning,marketing strategy,brand vs performance,FTE pricing,procurement,in-housing,holding companies,Publicis,Omnicom,Super Bowl ads,Effie Awards,Farmers Insurance campaign,Geico case study,change management,digital transformation,marketing AI,MarTech,measurement,short term vs long term,CMO,CEO,CFO,board governanceSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with James Shira, Principal, Global and US CIO and Global CISO at PwC. James details how  @PwC  is running an "AI marketplace" within the company which features a number of models, his focus on scale, security, and user experience, and the case for approaching AI with a "humility" mindset. Key topics include: how the CISO (Chief Information Security Officer) balances rapid enablement and security needs; why CMO's should have a working knowledge of the technology roadmap; and tips for aligning with your CIO. Tune in to hear how to "go rogue" if you must and a story about socks. Sponsored by Scrunch AI: learn more here → https://www.scrunchai.com/cmoGlobal CIO & CISO James Shira joins Mike to decode what your CIO wishes you knew—AI adoption, security trade-offs, model “marketplaces,” and how CMOs should really partner with IT. Concrete guidance on prioritization, tech stack decisions, legacy constraints, and when “going rogue” is justified. Practical, senior-level playbook for winning with AI without lighting money—or trust—on fire. **Chapters**00:00 – Welcome & setup: “What your CIO wants to tell you, but won’t” 01:15 – The AI era: pace, complexity, stakeholder pressure 03:24 – Humility first: why being late to AI isn’t OK 04:09 – Designing for scale, security, and real user adoption at PwC 06:00 – Building a model “marketplace” (40+ models) & minimum bars 07:27 – Guardrails: encryption, data governance, and safe experimentation 09:32 – Adoption reality: super-users, skeptics, and moving the middle 11:00 – What “leading” looks like: C-suite prioritization & high-value use cases 13:00 – CISO shift: from gatekeeper to enabler; managing Kobayashi-Maru choices 16:59 – How marketers help: anticipate CIO/CISO problems, simplify choices 19:00 – MarTech the smart way: align to architecture, reduce sprawl, bring options 22:00 – No IT dance partner? Work with COO/CFO; standardize and choose fit over “sexy” 24:33 – Legacy estates: outsource vs. “AI-ify” retained work; show ROI math 26:29 – When to go rogue—and how not to get fired doing it 31:00 – Free advice to agencies: do the work, bring substance, not spam 32:00 – Closing & funniest story (Zurich board-meeting socks) CMO Confidential,Mike Linton,James Shira,PwC,CIO,CISO,AI,GenAI,AI adoption,AI governance,cybersecurity,enterprise IT,MarTech,marketing technology,tech stack,cloud strategy,data governance,model marketplace,digital transformation,change management,prioritization,COO,CFO,CapEx,legacy modernization,outsourcing,automation,meeting summaries,audit,experimentation,go rogue,executive leadership,marketing strategy,enterprise software,boardroom,CMO tipsSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Rob Ward, co-founder and General Partner of Meritech Capital, a top Silicon Valley venture firm. Rob shares his take on what he calls a "super terrifying and exciting time" and provides perspective on AI receiving the most capital of any technology in history, the "durability of revenue" and how quickly start-ups are now reaching $100 million in revenue. Key topics include: why VC's focus on growth vs. profitability; the risks associated with massive long-term capital investment; why marketers should pick a "trusted advisor" as their AI partner; and why your data strategy needs "context. Tune in to hear how Astronomer handled the "Coldplay Concert Incident" which immediately became a PR classic and the "VC Foie Gras Effect."What happens when a top venture capitalist pulls back the curtain on AI, valuations, hype cycles, and what’s actually working?In this episode of CMO Confidential, host Mike Linton sits down with Rob Ward, Co-Founder and General Partner at Metech Capital, to unpack the realities behind the AI boom. Rob has spent more than 26 years investing in category-defining companies like Facebook (Meta), Snowflake, NetSuite, Zipcar, and Cloudera — and he brings a rare, grounded perspective to today’s AI frenzy.Together, they explore: • Why AI adoption is still early — despite explosive growth • The real risks behind inflated valuations and “AI-washing” • How VC decision-making changes during platform shifts • What marketers and executives should actually look for when choosing AI partners • Why data strategy, change management, and trust matter more than tools • What layoffs, productivity, and the future of work really look like beneath the headlines • A masterclass in crisis communications, featuring Ryan Reynolds, Gwyneth Paltrow, and ColdplayIf you’re a CMO, CEO, board member, founder, or agency leader trying to make sense of AI without getting swept up in the hype — this is a must-listen conversation.New episodes of CMO Confidential drop every Tuesday.Subscribe for insider perspectives on the most misunderstood role in the C-suite.⸻Chapter Markers00:00 – Welcome to CMO Confidential00:19 – Introducing Rob Ward and today’s AI conversation01:13 – Where we really are in AI adoption02:26 – Explosive AI growth: what’s real vs hype03:35 – Why enterprise AI adoption is still a slog04:37 – Vendor spend, hyperscalers, and the trillion-dollar buildout06:12 – Is this an AI bubble? Public vs private market realities07:20 – Accelerating investment rounds and lack of diligence08:12 – AI-washing and durability of AI businesses09:46 – Proof-of-concepts, switching costs, and fragile loyalty10:55 – Big Tech vs startups: why this cycle is different11:40 – Why VCs chase platform shifts despite the risks13:05 – How AI is changing profitability and headcount math16:11 – “FOGRA” investing and capital distortion17:00 – Circular investing and data-center risk18:23 – Data centers, GPUs, and betting on the wrong future19:38 – Credit default swaps and financial warning signs21:45 – How executives should choose AI vendors22:58 – Change management and why culture matters most24:09 – Why data strategy is the real AI strategy26:36 – “Frequently wrong, never in doubt” and AI hallucinations27:01 – Practical AI use cases for marketers30:00 – Layoffs, productivity, and what’s really happening to jobs33:05 – The best questions to spot real AI fluency35:00 – AI safety, geopolitics, and long-term risks36:38 – Crisis management masterclass: Astronomer, Coldplay & Ryan Reynolds39:58 – Final advice and closing thoughts⸻Comma-Separated TagsCMO Confidential, AI strategy, artificial intelligence, venture capital, Rob Ward, Metech Capital, AI adoption, AI hype, AI bubble, enterprise AI, generative AI, AI in marketing, CMO leadership, marketing leadership, venture investing, AI vendors, data strategy, change management, AI readiness, tech valuations, AI infrastructure, data centers, future of work, AI layoffs, crisis communications, brand crisis management, Ryan Reynolds marketing, Gwyneth Paltrow Astronomer, Coldplay controversy, Silicon Valley, marketing podcast, C-suite leadershipSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

"Dissecting Compensation - A Primer on Understanding, Negotiating and Managing Pay"A CMO Confidential Interview with Richard Sanderson, the Marketing, Sales, and Communications Practice Leader at Spencer Stuart. Richard starts with the basics of salary, bonus and equity and branches out to compensation mix, the various types of equity, negotiating best practices, and the "other" elements of an offer. Key topics include: why the devil is in the details; when and how to discuss compensation; the difference between dumb luck and bad luck; and why everyone should do a "multi-year cash flow analysis." Tune in to hear why you should always read the proxy statement and the importance of being prepared to explain how you are using AI.*Dissecting CMO Compensation with Richard Sanderson (Spencer Stuart) — Salary, Bonus, Equity & Negotiation Playbook*What’s “market” for a modern CMO, and how do you actually negotiate it? Richard Sanderson, who leads Spencer Stuart’s Marketing, Communications & Sales Practice, breaks down the three pillars of pay (salary, bonus, equity), compensation mix by ownership model, and the real rules of negotiating offers, severance, and forfeitures. We also tackle vesting, RSUs vs. options vs. PSUs, what to ask recruiters (legally) about pay ranges, how to manage your team when equity is underwater, and why every CMO needs crisp AI impact stories in interviews. Actionable, candid, and built for executives who make or take offers. *Chapters*00:00 Intro — Welcome to CMO Confidential & Richard’s background01:50 Why comp is hard to decode (and why it matters)02:12 The building blocks: salary, bonus, equity03:21 The data gap: only ~4% of F1000 list marketing leaders as NEOs04:26 Salary basics, bands, and industry norms05:35 Bonus mechanics & the one question to ask (3-year payout history)06:38 Equity 101 — long-term incentives and where value really accrues07:25 Compensation mix: public, PE, private, nonprofit08:25 Geography effect — US vs. Europe on equity weighting09:23 RSUs explained (and why they always have some value)10:19 Options & strike prices — upside vs. “underwater” risk10:57 PSUs — performance gates, accelerators, and board metrics12:17 Vesting types: time, performance, and event-based triggers13:15 Forfeitures if you leave early (and what’s negotiable)15:09 Negotiating framework — timing, laws, posture16:34 When to talk comp without signaling “it’s just the money”17:58 Pay transparency laws — expectations vs. history; what recruiters can ask20:23 Forfeitures checklist: bonus timing, unvested equity, make-wholes21:36 Know your company’s rules (eligibility dates, presence requirements)22:36 Smart pushback: asking for the range and reducing info asymmetry23:47 Your moment of max leverage: the verbal offer27:58 Beyond pay: severance, sign-on, relocation, start date, perks29:00 CMO tenure math and why severance matters32:31 “Am I underpaid?” How to build a real case34:34 Managing your team through pay angst & proxy transparency36:29 Underwater equity — empathy, vision, and refresh cycles38:22 Timing luck: annual grants & market swings (“Liberation Day” example)40:00 Do the 5-year cash-flow comparison (and bridge Year 1–2)42:04 The new relocation math (mortgages & cost deltas)43:06 Titles, reporting lines, non-competes, and day-one docs43:50 Should you ever turn down a written offer?45:23 The reputational risk of reneging47:05 Be ready: the AI question in every CMO interview48:32 Wrap*Tags*CMO Confidential, Richard Sanderson, Spencer Stuart, CMO compensation, executive pay, salary bands, bonus plans, equity RSUs, stock options, PSUs, vesting, severance, negotiation, forfeitures, compensation mix, private equity, public companies, proxy statements, pay transparency laws, marketing leadership, executive recruiting, board compensation, make-whole bonus, cash flow analysis, AI in marketingSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

"Marketing at Meta - The View From the Eye of the Storm"A CMO Confidential Interview with Alex Schultz, the Meta CMO and VP of Analytics, and author of Click Here: The Art & Science of Digital Marketing and Advertising. Alex details why he believes in decentralized analytics and the importance of focusing on core results vs vanity metrics, why AI is a "threshold technology", and why and how the company transitioned to Meta. Key topics include: the barbell distribution of AI competency (native users and very senior experienced leaders); why he believes so strongly in "incrementality measurements"; how he and his team handle the emotional impact of being in the center of political discussions and; why marketers should be thinking about 2027. Tune in to hear a story about affiliate marketing incentives gone wrong and the eBay/Google "Tea Party" incident.What’s it really like to be CMO at one of the most scrutinized companies in the world?In this episode of **CMO Confidential**, host Mike Linton sits down with **Alex Schultz**, CMO and VP of Analytics at Meta, for a wide-ranging, unfiltered conversation on marketing leadership inside the eye of the storm. Alex breaks down how Meta structures marketing and analytics at global scale, why marketing must be centralized while analytics should not, and what most companies get wrong about “one source of truth.”The conversation goes deep on navigating nonstop political and cultural pressure, shortening negative news cycles, and keeping teams emotionally grounded when the brand is under fire. Alex also shares some of the clearest executive thinking we’ve heard on AI as a *threshold technology* — where it truly creates leverage, where humans must stay in the loop, and how CMOs should assess AI talent today.The episode closes with inside stories from the Facebook-to-Meta rebrand, hard-earned lessons from eBay on incrementality measurement, and practical advice for preparing your organization for 2027 and beyond.If you’re a CMO, CEO, founder, or senior operator responsible for growth, measurement, and brand under pressure — this is required listening.New episodes of **CMO Confidential** drop every Tuesday.---## Chapters & Timestamps00:00 – Welcome to CMO Confidential00:01 – Alex Schultz’s role: CMO & VP of Analytics at Meta00:03 – Why marketing is centralized but analytics are decentralized00:06 – “One source of truth” and killing vanity metrics00:09 – Marketing while constantly in the global spotlight00:11 – Managing crisis cycles, truth, and comms alignment00:12 – AI’s real impact on marketing productivity00:15 – AI as a threshold technology (precision vs. recall)00:17 – How AI is reshaping analytics, creative, and teams00:18 – Hiring for AI: the barbell talent distribution00:22 – Preparing for 2027: information flow and AI philosophy00:25 – How B2B marketing is (and isn’t) changing00:28 – Inside the Facebook → Meta rebrand00:32 – Lessons from eBay: incrementality over last-click00:36 – What downturns reveal about leadership talent00:37 – Why Alex wrote his book on digital marketing00:40 – Affiliate marketing, incentives, and unintended consequences00:43 – Final advice for CMOs and marketers---CMO Confidential, Alex Schultz, Meta marketing, Facebook Meta rebrand, marketing leadership, CMO podcast, executive marketing, analytics strategy, marketing analytics, AI in marketing, artificial intelligence marketing, incrementality measurement, digital marketing strategy, B2B marketing, growth marketing, brand under pressure, crisis communications, marketing measurement, performance marketing, last click attribution, marketing org design, marketing podcast--See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with DJ Patil, Great Point Ventures investor and former U.S. Chief Data Scientist in the Obama Administration. DJ discusses why AI adoption is "lumpy" like unbaked cake mix, the difference between large models and focused applications, and why consultants are probably not the best way to make progress. Key topics include: Maslow's Hierarchy of AI with power, data and water as the foundation; a timeline juxtaposition of AI evolution versus culture and policy change; and his belief that marketers have a unique position to add "human connectivity" in to the mix. Tune in to hear a view on AI and health care as well as how Waymo almost ruined a date night. What does AI adoption *really* look like inside large organizations—and why does it feel so uneven?In this episode of **CMO Confidential**, host **Mike Linton** sits down with **DJ Patil**—former U.S. Chief Data Scientist, AI leader at eBay and LinkedIn, and longtime advisor and investor—for a clear-eyed update from the front lines of AI.DJ explains why AI progress feels “lumpy,” why culture—not technology—is the biggest blocker to ROI, and what boards, CEOs, and CMOs must do now to avoid falling behind. From autonomous warfare and small models to Wall Street hype cycles, job displacement, and what AI means for the future of marketing, this is a practical, executive-level conversation about what’s real, what’s noise, and what comes next.If you lead a company, manage a brand, sit on a board, or are building a career in marketing, this episode will recalibrate how you think about AI adoption, investment, and organizational change.🎧 New episodes of **CMO Confidential** drop every Tuesday.--- Chapters / Timestamps00:00 – Welcome to CMO Confidential00:32 – Introducing DJ Patil and today’s AI focus01:26 – Where are we really on the AI adoption curve?02:54 – Why AI progress feels “lumpy” across industries03:35 – AI fluency vs. AI-native talent05:22 – AI in education: banning it vs. embracing it05:57 – AI on the battlefield: Ukraine, drones, and autonomy07:50 – Big models vs. small models and open source AI08:12 – The AI investment landscape and industry chaos09:12 – AI breakthroughs in math and problem-solving10:52 – Where AI is actually delivering value today11:50 – ROI, hype cycles, and Amara’s Law13:46 – When AI savings really show up on the balance sheet15:17 – Why culture is the biggest blocker to AI success16:03 – AI speed vs. slow-moving organizations and policy18:13 – Why executives can’t delegate AI leadership19:56 – The limits of traditional consulting for AI22:41 – Job cuts, automation, and what AI is really replacing25:48 – Why AI isn’t “ready” yet—but is getting close26:32 – AI as the biggest prize in the history of capitalism27:18 – Where DJ Patil is investing in AI29:00 – AI opportunities in healthcare and government30:27 – What AI means for marketers and marketing careers34:10 – A Waymo story: the promise and imperfections of AI35:12 – Final thoughts and where to find more episodes---CMO Confidential, DJ Patil, Mike Linton, AI adoption, artificial intelligence strategy, AI for executives, AI and marketing, AI ROI, AI investment, AI leadership, AI culture, future of marketing, chief marketing officer, CMO podcast, executive podcast, boardroom strategy, AI transformation, AI jobs, AI and automation, AI in healthcare, AI governance, enterprise AI, AI fluency, AI native, tech leadership, data science, digital transformationSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential interview with Dick Satterfield, the founder of Satterfield Rezenbrink Search and former P&G sales leader. Dick discusses career management under the framework of "successful and happy" and outlines why you should constantly be thinking about and evaluating your career. Key topics include why career progression is defined as continuous learning and getting promoted, tips for networking, when is too early or too late to leave, and why counter offers almost always fail . Listen in to hear why you should view the "next job" as a stepping stone versus the perfect landing. Dick Satterfield, veteran executive recruiter and former P&G sales leader, breaks down when to leave, how to create real options, and what it takes to land (and succeed in) your next role. We cover the “successful and happy” framework, real vs. faux promotions, how to run a stealth search while employed, the truth about counteroffers, and why marketers must present as business leaders driving revenue and efficiency. Practical, no-nonsense advice for CMOs, aspiring CMOs, and any exec managing a high-stakes career. Chapters00:00 Intro: CMO Confidential + today’s topic00:00:43 Meet Dick Satterfield + why this conversation matters00:02:11 Framework: “Are you successful and happy?”00:03:39 What recruiters really scan first: promotions and scope00:05:38 Real vs. “quasi-fake” promotions (one direct report ≠ management)00:05:59 Could I leave? Too early vs. too late; the commuting rule of 300:08:12 Knowing when your learning curve has flattened00:10:24 Would I leave? How to search while employed (and build leverage)00:12:25 Target list → warm intros → the right recruiters00:14:31 Time management for the search (30 minutes a day)00:15:14 If you’re in transition: process, momentum, and managing home life00:17:21 Offers: optimize for where you’re most likely to succeed00:19:31 Interview the company: decision speed and what success looks like00:21:00 Counteroffers: why ~85% don’t stick00:22:38 Negotiating severance (and when it actually gets set)00:24:00 Biggest career mistake: not managing your career like a project00:25:00 For marketers: be a business leader, not “just” marketing00:26:13 Practical closer: return recruiter calls—before you need them00:26:55 WrapTagsCMO Confidential,Mike Linton,Dick Satterfield,executive search,career management,career strategy,CMO career,marketing leadership,job search,career progression,promotions,scope of responsibility,learning curve,commuting rules,hybrid work,networking,warm introductions,recruiters,retained search,counteroffers,severance negotiation,compensation,offer negotiation,interview tips,decision rights,success metrics,marketing as investment,top line growth,cost efficiency,business leader,P&G,Procter & Gamble,board ready,executive transitions,VP marketing,chief marketing officer,senior leadership,career mistakes,practical adviceSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Kate Bullis and David Wiser, Managing Partners and Global Marketing Practice Leaders for ZRG Partners. Kate and David translate their extensive search experience to classify common mistakes into "movie themes" and share tips on how to recognize if you are directing or reading for a part in a disaster film. From "Play It Again, Sam," to "No, No, It's Really A CMO Role!" to "Death by Committee!" they describe the all-too-familiar plotlines and how to tear apart the hype from the facts. Hints: Look at the dashboard, listen to the questions and beware of the "Hands on the keyboard" role. Tune in to hear why companies should focus on outcomes versus qualifications and why you should always check your Zoom background. What are the five bad “movies” CEOs and boards keep remaking when they hire CMOs—and how do you avoid starring in one? Mike Linton sits down with ZRG Partners’ Kate Bullis and David Wiser to unpack 2025’s CMO market, why early-stage hiring should rebound, and how capital and IPO activity reset expectations from “profit at all costs” back to growth. They break down the most common failure modes—chasing a playbook, hiring an “orchestra,” titling a demand-gen job as “CMO,” forcing marketing to “stay in its lane,” and letting committees kill momentum—and the exact questions candidates and CEOs should ask to surface scope, KPIs, authority, and alignment.You’ll hear red flags like “hands-on keyboard,” why the KPI dashboard effectively *is* the job description, and how cross-functional interviews reveal whether a CMO will be a strategist or an order taker. David and Kate close with urgency discipline for searches and a three-year business-back plan for defining the role.CMO Confidential, Mike Linton, ZRG Partners, Kate Bullis, David Wiser, CMO hiring, marketing leadership, executive search, CEO, board of directors, hiring mistakes, KPI dashboard, hands-on-keyboard, demand generation, brand vs performance, org design, stay in your lane, death by committee, playbook vs framework, 2025 job market, private equity, IPOs, marketing strategy, B2B marketing, growth vs profitability---Chapters00:00 – Welcome & show setup01:08 – Meet Kate Bullis & David Wiser (ZRG Partners)01:32 – 2025 CMO job market outlook02:56 – Where hiring rebounds first (startups vs. public)04:24 – From profitability snapback to growth focus05:35 – Theme 1: “Play it again, Sam” (playbook thinking)06:48 – Frameworks over playbooks: why “fetch” fails08:16 – KPIs as the real scope: the dashboard test10:08 – Theme 2: “I want the orchestra” (do-it-all CMO)12:44 – Red flag: “hands-on keyboard” and checkbox hiring14:19 – Theme 3: “No, really, it’s a CMO role” (but it’s demand gen)15:31 – B2B trap: title inflation and scope mismatch18:25 – Measure what matters: aligning title, work, and KPIs19:00 – Theme 4: “Stay in your lane” (the Yes Center)20:20 – Sales/product-driven constraints and influence22:00 – Theme 5: “Death by committee” (misalignment & vetoes)23:18 – Fixing alignment: who decides and how25:26 – Why bad movies still get made: urgency and drift27:54 – The other mistake: lack of urgency in searches28:43 – Funniest recruiting moments (Zoom era)30:21 – Practical advice: define the next 3 years, then the role31:29 – Wrap and where to listenSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Tom Stein, the Chairman and founder of Stein and Jann Schwarz, Senior Director of Marketplace Innovation at LinkedIn and founder of Think tank, The B2B Institute, who join us to discuss the 2025 Brand-to- Demand Maturity and the B2B Buyability studies. Tom and Jann share results showing the need to integrate brand and performance marketing in an era when the marketing funnel has collapsed needs fundamental re-thinking and Marketing Qualified Leads (MQLs) are still a key measure (in spite of data showing they've lost their usefulness). Tom and Jann explain why nearly all survey respondents acknowledge a problem but only 20% are taking action. Key topics include: why a good product or service are now "table stakes”; how buyer confidence, human connection and customer experience have become key Buyability differentiators; and the belief that B2B creative is way behind B2C on average. Tune in to hear why “demand-focused marketing" was one of the greatest brand misdirects of all time and a fabulous story of an alter boy accidentally dropping the Baby Jesus. The Truth Behind the Curtain in B2B: Brand + Demand, MQLs, and “Buyability” with Tom Stein & Jan SchwartzDescription:Mike Linton sits down with Tom Stein (Stein) and Jan Schwartz (LinkedIn’s B2B Institute) to unpack new ANA research on brand–demand maturity and a bold operating model they call “buyability.” They cover why 80% of marketers say integration matters but aren’t doing it, why MQLs are failing modern buying groups, how to financialize creative and brand, and what CEOs/boards should actually measure to accelerate revenue. Chapters:00:00 Intro & guest setup02:36 Why a brand–demand maturity study now05:36 The 80% integration gap07:17 Org design: why teams move slowly09:36 MQLs under fire (and better alternatives)10:45 Creative quality in B2B: reality check13:34 ServiceNow, Idris Elba, and distinctive assets15:01 The CEO/CFO/Board disconnect19:00 “Buyability” explained: becoming easier to buy22:12 Brand as a full-funnel commercial driver23:40 The funnel is broken; AI ups the stakes26:59 Playing offense: fewer, better buyer-group leads28:20 Financializing the case for change29:56 The budget stat that shocked everyone31:41 What to do now: category fame, trust, real metrics34:41 Funniest stories and practical parting advice37:35 Wrap & where to find more episodesTags:B2B marketing,brand and demand,buyability,MQL,pipeline velocity,CMO Confidential,Mike Linton,Tom Stein,Jan Schwartz,LinkedIn B2B Institute,ANA,B2B brand,B2B demand gen,marketing measurement,go to market,Salesforce,ServiceNow,Idris Elba,B2B creative,category fame,board metrics,CFO,CEO,CRO,sales alignment,MarTech,lead gen,buyer groups,brand strategy,revenue growthSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Dr. Joel Shapiro, Managerial Economics & Decision Sciences Professor at the Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern, formerly Varicent Chief Analytics Officer. Joel discusses his NFL study including why some teams handle injury better then others, the idea of finding variables which can't be seen by the naked eye, and his conclusion that resilience has a lot to do with planning, resource deployment and the foresight to think about potential problems. Key topics include: the importance of back-ups; the ability to find business problems that can be solved with data; and how to use data and AI to predict "bad stuff." Tune in to hear about the "percent cash wasted measure," and how Joel's class beat Las Vegas on predicting last year's NHL playoff teams.**What NFL Injury Data Teaches Business About Resilience — with Joel Shapiro (Kellogg)**Northwestern Kellogg’s Joel Shapiro returns to CMO Confidential to unpack a surprising finding: predicting player injury isn’t a “failed use case” — and the lessons translate directly to how leaders design resilient organizations. We cover the data model behind injury prediction, Joel’s “percent cash wasted” metric, the real effect of injuries on winning (including offense vs. defense), why backups matter, and how to build purposeful resilience across sales, supply chain, and leadership. Plus: a student project that beat Vegas and a fearless (and funny) Super Bowl take. Chapters00:00 Intro — Why this episode matters for executives01:10 Joel’s remit: turning data & AI into business outcomes03:19 Injury prediction isn’t a failed use case05:45 Why the NFL: clean injury data and an 11-year dataset07:32 What the model outputs: games likely to be missed08:51 “Percent Cash Wasted”: paying for injured players10:15 Do injuries really impact winning? The curve is flatter than you think12:19 Offense vs. defense: wasted cash effects aren’t equal13:47 Healthy one year, injured the next: who stays good?14:36 The lever that breaks teams: losing a highly paid QB15:25 Purposeful resilience vs. “toughing it out”16:34 Backups matter — translating roster depth to business18:29 If you can’t prevent every injury, recruit for availability19:17 Business translation: resilience in sales, supply chain, and leadership21:42 Treat resilience as strategy, not back-office insurance24:22 Which companies are structurally resilient (and why scale helps)24:49 Joel’s bold pick: the Bears’ weird start and a playful prediction25:36 Data, betting, and integrity — what changes as information improves27:25 Students vs. Vegas: NHL playoff models that won28:20 How much data it really takes (rows, columns, and what matters)29:54 Wrap and where to find more CMO ConfidentialTagsCMO Confidential, Mike Linton, Joel Shapiro, Northwestern Kellogg, data science, AI, predictive analytics, NFL injuries, sports analytics, resilience, business resilience, risk management, leadership, percent cash wasted, roster construction, backups, quarterback, offense vs defense, supply chain, sales teams, machine learning, predictive modeling, DraftKings, FanDuel, NHL, Kansas City Chiefs, Chicago Bears, C-suite, marketing leadership, podcast, YouTube chaptersSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Michael Treff, the CEO of Code and Theory joins us for our 150th Show to share observations on the major forces impacting the B2B space. Michael details how "empowered buyers" are forcing sellers to increase focus on customer value creation and transforming marketing and sales from "leads to information" which is also shifting spending to capital expense. Key topics include: why the next AI frontier is customer experience; the need for companies to have both a long and short-term AI plans; why budgeting won't get any easier and; the gap between the CX problems and CX actions. Tune in to hear why you need to have an "AI plan for your humans" and learn if you need " a personalized relationship with your mustard."CMO Confidential #150: Michael Treff on B2B’s Year-In-Review, What’s Next, and How AI Will Actually Drive Growth**B2B is being rebuilt from the core. Michael explains why budgets are shifting from media to infrastructure, how the funnel is being rewritten by agentic search, and where AI must move from efficiency to growth. We also cover the KPIs that matter, budgeting realism for 2026, and three things every CMO should know by the end of next year. Sponsored by Typeface—the agentic AI marketing platform helping brands turn one idea into thousands of on-brand experiences. Learn more: typeface.ai/cmo. **Chapters**00:00 Intro + show setup01:00 Sponsor: Typeface — agentic AI marketing, enterprise-grade & integrated02:00 Guest intro: Michael Treff, CEO of Code and Theory03:00 B2B landscape: investment shifts, changing journeys, disintermediation07:00 From MQLs to value: sales enablement and end-to-end outcomes10:00 Mid-roll: Typeface ARC agents & content lifecycle11:00 Why suites win: implementation and value realization after the sale15:00 AI phases: Wave 1 (efficiency) → Wave 2 (growth) pressures on agencies17:00 CX as the bridge: measure outcomes, not vanity metrics22:00 Roadmaps, humans, and culture—planning beyond point tools26:00 Budget reality check: deliberation, polarization, and trade-offs29:00 Personalization vs. business impact—what to fund and measure33:00 By end of 2026: know your human plan, AI maturity, and new journeys35:00 2026 prediction: the ROI vice tightens—agencies must be consultative36:00 Closing advice: “Interrogate everything yourself.”38:00 Wrap + where to find past episodes39:00 Sponsor close: Typeface—see how ASICS & Microsoft scale personalization**About our sponsor, Typeface** @typefaceai  is the first multimodal, agentic AI marketing platform that automates workflows from brief to launch, integrates with your MarTech stack, and delivers enterprise-grade security—named AI Company of the Year by Adweek and a TIME Best Invention. Learn more: typeface.ai/cmo. **Tags**B2B marketing, enterprise marketing, customer experience, AI marketing, agentic AI, marketing ROI, sales enablement, Code and Theory, Michael Treff, Mike Linton, CMO strategy, marketing budget, personalization, Martech, TypefaceSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Evan Wittenberg, Chief People Officer of VuMedi formerly CPO of Ancestry and Box, Google's Head of Leadership Development, and a Saturday Night Live Page. Evan discusses why HR has become a much tougher position over the last 5 years, AI's negative impact on leadership development, and the similarities between marketing and HR. Key topics include: his belief that every function should have a dedicated people partner; why "the burden of proof" is often higher for marketers; why he always interviews for "learning agility;" and why "doing the job you are hired for is better for your career than trying for "the next job." Tune in to hear questions marketers should ask in an interview and a great behind the scenes story from SNL Season 18. **What HR Really Thinks About Marketing — Evan Wittenberg (CPO) on CMO Confidential**Four-time Chief People Officer Evan Wittenberg sits down with host Mike Linton to unpack the real relationship between HR and Marketing: decision rights, how DEI evolves, AI’s impact on entry-level careers, why hybrid work threatens apprenticeship, and what great CMOs do differently at the exec table. Evan also shares hiring signals (what CPOs look for now), the right way to use engagement surveys, and a live-from-8H SNL story you won’t forget. **Guest:** Evan Wittenberg — CPO (VuMedi; ex-Box, Ancestry, Pivot Bio; Google/Wharton leadership)**Host:** Mike Linton — former CMO (Best Buy, eBay, Farmers), CRO (Ancestry)**Chapters**00:00 – Welcome + sponsor message (Typeface)02:00 – Evan’s background and today’s HR reality03:30 – “Seat at the table” meets burnout and intractable problems04:40 – Inside the COVID pivot: who owned it and why HR took point06:10 – Should HR own cross-functional crises? Coordination vs. ownership07:10 – HR ↔ Marketing parallels: everyone has an opinion, few have the brief09:00 – Sponsor break (Typeface)10:00 – DEI after the backlash: belonging, equity, and business need11:30 – Pay parity and what still isn’t fixed12:00 – AI’s real risk: erasing entry-level ladders and craft-building13:30 – Hybrid work, lost apprenticeship, and how leaders must respond15:10 – “People are our #1 asset” (or not): how to actually tell16:10 – HR nirvana: solutions that serve both the company and the person18:00 – How HR sees Marketing: service vs. business driver21:10 – What great CMOs do: range (data ↔ creative) and business framing22:40 – At the exec table: problem → data → options → choice → execution24:20 – The higher burden of proof for HR and Marketing24:40 – Should Marketing have a dedicated HR/People partner?26:10 – What CPOs now screen for: learning agility28:00 – AI fluency: no tourists, hands-on only29:10 – Real collaboration vs. heroics and end-runs30:40 – Due diligence for candidates: decision rights & cross-functional buy-in33:00 – Extra interview questions worth asking (on both sides)34:10 – SNL cold open rescue: the Rob Schneider story38:30 – Career advice: do the job you have at 120%40:00 – Sponsor close + sign-offCMO Confidential, Mike Linton, Evan Wittenberg, Chief People Officer, CPO, HR strategy, Marketing leadership, DEI, diversity equity inclusion, belonging, employee engagement, pay parity, hybrid work, return to office, mentorship, apprenticeship, AI in HR, AI in marketing, entry-level jobs, recruiting, learning agility, collaboration, decision rights, org design, people partner, HRBP, Box, Ancestry, Pivot Bio, Vmed, Google leadership, Wharton, SNL story, Rob Schneider, executive team, business outcomes, brand vs performance, Typeface, marketing operations, C-suite leadership, career adviceSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Kip Knight, founder of CMO Coaches, former CMO of Taco Bell and H&R Block USPresident. Kip lays out the case for marketers to build their brands based on trust, authenticity and personal core principles along with an objective understanding of "what you are really famous for being able to accomplish." Key topics include: why executive presence matters; the combination of emotional IQ and curiosity; the need for resume "proof points;" and why role models matter. Tune in to hear networking tips, why you want to know what "they say about you when you aren't in the room" and the power of a handwritten thank you note. Kip Knight (Founder, CMO Coaches; former Taco Bell CMO & H&R Block US Retail President) joins Mike Linton to get practical about building a durable *personal brand* as a marketing leader. We cover a three-step framework (self-assessment - positioning - activation), executive presence (IQ + EQ + CQ), how to lead with truth during tough calls, and why handwritten notes still matter. Sponsored by Typeface — the agentic AI marketing platform that turns one idea into thousands of on-brand assets. Learn more: typeface.ai/cmo.**Key points**• Personal brands aren’t accidental: in today’s AI-accelerated market, being findable and consistent is table stakes for senior roles. • The framework: start with a rigorous self-assessment (360s, reviews, assessments), then define positioning around your true superpowers, and finally activate with proof points. • Be objective: ambition without a strategy and measurable evidence sets you up to fail; build real proof points before you sell your story. • Executive presence = IQ + EQ + CQ (curiosity). Lean into new tech (e.g., GenAI) and stay relentlessly curious. • Truth is better than spin in crises: define reality, be transparent, and your team will follow you through hard decisions (e.g., headcount cuts). • Culture is the stories told when you’re not in the room; leaders are “always on,” so model consistency and principle-led behavior. • CMOs as business integrators: convene IT, Legal, Finance, HR, and the CEO to make the right GenAI bets with clear success criteria. • Power move: send handwritten notes on high-quality stationery; the impact far exceeds email. **Chapters**00:00 Welcome + sponsor: Typeface — why brand still wins in the age of AI 03:00 Why your personal brand matters more than ever 06:00 Being findable & consistent in an AI world 07:00 The 3-part framework: self-assessment - positioning - activation 10:00 Doing an honest self-assessment (360s, reviews, Working Genius) 14:00 Turning strengths into positioning; knowing your kryptonite 16:00 Executive presence: IQ, EQ, and CQ (curiosity quotient) 20:00 Truth-telling vs. vulnerability during layoffs and tough calls 23:00 Role models, “always on” leadership, and culture as stories 29:00 CMOs as business integrators on GenAI — how to run the process 32:00 Networking that works: “How can I help you?”, warm intros, no ghosting 34:00 Elite habit: handwritten notes on great stationery (why it lands) 36:00 Wrap + where to find more CMO Confidential TagsCMO,marketing leadership,personal brand,executive presence,brand strategy,career development,marketing careers,AI in marketing,agentic AI,Typeface,leadership,coaching,CMO Coaches,Kip Knight,Mike Linton,GenAI,networking,culture,trust,authenticity,handwritten notes,frameworks,positioning,activation,EQ,CQ,P&L,growth,enterprise marketing,YouTube podcastSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Andy Sack and Adam Brotman, Co-Founders and Co-CEO's of Forum 3, authors of the book AI First, previously at Microsoft and Starbucks. Adam and Andy discuss the exponential growth of LLM's in the 3 years since the Chat GPT launch, the rapid pace of consumer adoption and "why there's never been a bigger prize in capitalism." Key topics include: why the circular tie-ups between the models and chip providers may make sense, their belief that only 5% of companies are well underway; why you should use AI at least 10 times a day; and how the "current way of doing business" is the biggest blocker to progress. Tune in to hear 2026 predictions, why you should have a "family password," and how an AI Zoom scam resulted in a $20 million loss for the company. AI: The Year That Changed Marketing | Andy Sack & Adam Brotman on CMO ConfidentialFormer Starbucks Chief Digital Officer Adam Brotman and investor/operator Andy Sack return to break down AI’s wild 2025—and what’s next for marketers and the C-suite in 2026. We cover the rise of reasoning models and agents, chip-and-model tie-ups, who’s winning (and who’s falling behind), why only ~5% of companies are truly “underway,” and how consumer behavior is racing ahead of most enterprises. Adam and Andy deliver pragmatic guidance for boards, CEOs, and CMOs: where to lean in, how to organize, and what to build now.What you’ll learn:• The real story on model advances, agents, and the chip/energy bottlenecks• Why supply-lock deals aren’t “circular nonsense” and how they’ll shape winners/losers• Enterprise reality check: 5% vs. 95%, and why CEO/board sponsorship determines lift-off• Consumer adoption, zero-click search, and how discovery is shifting under your feet• Marketing beyond efficiency: ideation, synthetic testing, and creative at production speed• 2026 predictions: Apple’s big AI move, the year of consumer agents, and new AI devices• Risk & resilience: deepfake fraud, the “family password,” and change management that sticksActionable takeaways:• Use AI 10×/day; turn on voice and select a “thinking/reasoning” model for complex work• Treat AI as a company-wide transformation, not an IT pilot; pick a few high-value use cases and own them from the top• Experiment with agentic workflows and AI video to compress cycle time from storyboard to launchSponsored by  @typefaceai  Typeface helps the world’s biggest brands go from brief to fully personalized, on-brand campaigns in hours—not months. Their agentic AI marketing platform automates workflows across ads, email, and video, integrates with your MarTech stack, and includes enterprise-grade security. Adweek named Typeface “AI Company of the Year,” TIME listed it among the Best Inventions, and Fast Company called it the next big thing in tech. See how brands like  @ASICSGlobal  and  @Microsoft  are transforming marketing with Typeface: typeface.ai/cmoAbout CMO ConfidentialHosted by five-time CMO Mike Linton, CMO Confidential goes inside the decisions, politics, and trade-offs of one of the most scrutinized jobs in the C-suite. New episodes every Tuesday on Spotify, Apple, and YouTube.00:00 Intro & Sponsor: Typeface02:00 Topic & Guests — Adam Brotman and Andy Sack03:00 Three-year AI surge: usage, video, geopolitics06:00 Reasoning models, long-duration agents, chip/energy demand10:00 Midroll: Typeface12:00 Capital tie-ups: supply lock vs. “circular money”15:00 Winners & losers: the AGI race and consolidation16:00 Enterprise adoption: board/CEO-led change vs. IT pilots18:50 Reality check: 5% “well underway,” 95% early22:00 Consumer adoption: everyday use, underutilization25:00 Can companies keep up? Why most are lagging27:00 Search is shifting: AI overviews, assistants everywhere29:00 Marketing beyond efficiency: ideation, automation, CX31:00 AI video examples to study (Kalshi ad, IAm8)33:30 Agencies & consultancies adapting (Accenture, BCG, McKinsey)34:30 2026 predictions: Apple’s big move, year of agents, new devices36:00 2026 tensions: labor disruption, backlash, “bumpy” progress38:00 Practical tips: use AI 10×/day, voice mode, “thinking” models41:00 Tools & safety:  @lovable  family/business passwords42:00 Deepfake/Zoom heist cautionary tale44:00 Wrap-up: subscribe & episode library44:30 Closing Sponsor: Typeface —CMO Confidential,Mike Linton,Adam Brotman,Andy Sack,Typeface,agentic AI,AI marketing,marketing strategy,chief marketing officer,CMO,CEO,board strategy,enterprise AI,reasoning models,AI agents,AGI,LLMs,generative AI,Claude,Gemini,ChatGPT,NVIDIA,semiconductors,MarTech,creative automation,personalization,zero click search,search disruption,media buying,advertising,brand vs performance,organizational design,change management,digital transformation,customer experience,synthetic personas,AI video,SOA,Sora,Replit Agent,Apple AI,Perplexity,security,deepfakes,family password,go to market,content at scale,ASICSSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Mike Walrath, Chairman and CEO of Yext, Inc., formerly CEO of Right Media, and SVP at Yahoo! Mike discusses what he believes is the collapse of the marketing funnel, the need to understand how AI consumes data while judgement stays with consumers, and how an "influence marketing" mindset is emerging. Key topics include: why CMOs will need to be both great brand strategists as well as scientists, the need to constantly distribute information and "tend it like a garden," and why Reddit is great for training AI, but not as important in building brand influence. Tune in to hear a story about why you shouldn't let ChatGPT talk in an unsupervised forum and why Land Rover should send me a polo shirt. This week, Mike Linton sits down with Mike Walrath, Chairman & CEO of  @yext  (and founder of WGI Group), to unpack why the classic awareness–consideration–conversion funnel is collapsing—and what CMOs must do next. From zero-click discovery and AI agents “front-ending” consumers to why structured first-party data now beats pretty websites, Walrath maps the new rules for brand, distribution, and measurement in an AI-led marketplace.We cover: how consideration gets outsourced to AI, why marketers will “market to agents” (without controlling the ad copy), the coming arms race in citations and data distribution, and what organizational fixes boards and CMOs should make now. If you own brand, growth, or P&L accountability, this is a playbook for the next chapter.**Sponsor —  @typefaceai  Typeface helps the world’s biggest brands move from brief to fully personalized campaigns in hours, not months. With its agentic AI marketing platform, one idea scales into thousands of on-brand variations across ads, email, and video—integrated with your MarTech stack and secured for the enterprise. See how brands like ASICS and Microsoft are transforming marketing: typeface.ai/cmo.Highlights* Why “zero-click” compresses awareness and consideration inside AI experiences—and how to win the AI bake-off.* The end of marketer-controlled ad copy; influence shifts to data quality, recency, and distribution.* Memory and context change everything: agents know the consumer—and your brand—better than you think.* Brand matters more, not less; without brand salience you won’t make the answer set.* From content to data: make every spec, price, menu, inventory, policy, and promo machine-readable and syndicated.* Citations, not vibes: first-party sites and listings dominate AI references; keep them fresh and authoritative.* Org design: hire the data athletes, upgrade infrastructure, and instrument real conversion milestones (tests, visits, units).New episodes every Tuesday on YouTube, Apple, and Spotify. If you find this useful, please like, subscribe, and share with your team.**Guests**Mike Walrath — Chairman & CEO, Yext; Founder, WGI Group.Host: Mike Linton — former CMO of Best Buy, eBay, Farmers Insurance; former CRO, Ancestry.CMO Confidential,marketing,CMO,chief marketing officer,AI marketing,agentic AI,marketing funnel,zero click,search,SEO,GenAI,LLM,brand strategy,performance marketing,Yext,Mike Walrath,Mike Linton,customer journey,personalization,content at scale,structured data,citations,data strategy,MarTech,go to market,GTM,board strategy,enterprise marketing,retail,automotive marketing,restaurants,media,advertising,Typeface sponsor,Typeface AI,typeface.ai/cmoSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Jim Lecinski, Clinical Professor of Marketing at the Kellogg School of Management, author, and former Google VP. Jim discusses why he believes marketers are often overly focused on using AI for productivity improvements versus business growth, the gaps between marketers and the C-Suite highlighted by recent Gartner research, and the difference between "big frontier models" and "shiny objects." Key topics include: why you should avoid "gray market AI", how to manage the 5 AI risks (privacy, accuracy, regulatory, personnel, and reputation), and the false precision that accompanies a focus on intermediate measures like Click Through Rate (CTR). Tune in to hear why he's not a fan of Cannes and how AI helped figure out a wedding invitation calling for "casual to semi-formal beach attire."What should CMOs actually do with AI right now—and how do you avoid chasing shiny objects? Mike Linton sits down with Jim Lecinski, Professor of Marketing at Northwestern’s Kellogg School (and author of The AI Marketing Canvas and Winning the Zero Moment of Truth) to unpack the AI application layer: the good, the bad, and the ugly. Jim explains why CEOs-CFOs obsess over growth (not merely efficiency), how to reframe marketing dashboards around business outcomes, and his simple two-by-two for AI use cases (internal productivity vs. external value creation). We cover privacy, legal/regulatory, personnel, and reputational risks—and how to mitigate them—plus a pragmatic roadmap: center on a leading frontier model and layer vetted apps instead of stitching together fragile point solutions. Jim also shares candid takes on Cannes vs. Effies and ends with a challenge: personally build something with AI before year-end.You’ll learn:* Growth over cost-cutting: aligning with CEO-CFO priorities and measuring ends, not means* The AI use-case 2×2: internal productivity vs. external, customer-facing value creation* Practical examples (e.g., apparel personalization) that lift CSAT, CLV, and revenue* The 5 risk buckets (privacy, accuracy, regulatory-IP, personnel, reputation) and guardrails* How to choose core models (GPT, Gemini, Claude) and avoid “tool soup”* Why awards that honor outcomes beat awards that celebrate activityGuest: Jim Lecinski — Professor of Marketing, Northwestern Kellogg; former VP Customer Solutions (Americas) at Google; author of The AI Marketing Canvas (2nd ed.) & Winning the Zero Moment of Truth.Host: Mike Linton — former CMO of Best Buy, eBay, Farmers Insurance; CRO of Ancestry.com.Sponsor: Better marketing is built on Quad. See how better gets done at (https://www.quad.com/resources/research-and-tools/return-of-touch-consumer-engagement-has-an-omnichannel-revival?utm_source=cmoconfidential&utm_medium=paid&utm_campaign=001_brand&utm_id=podcastnl1031&utm_content=a-paidemail&utm_vp=)If you’re enjoying the show, please like, subscribe, and share with your leadership team. New episodes every Tuesday; companion newsletter on Fridays.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Abhay Parasnis, Founder & CEO of Typeface, Board Member of Dropbox and Schneider Electronic, formerly EVP of Adobe. Abhay discusses the large gap between AI expectations and execution, the human and cultural issues in the way of adoption, and the C-Suite's responsibility to "guide the change" versus demand and monitor progress. Key topics include: recognizing and managing the 3 types of resistance; why specific targeted use cases are the best way to begin; the difference between Moore's Law and Amara's Law; and how to determine if you are a resistor or a pragmatic business leader. Tune in to hear an analogy of why AI is similar to Formula One where everyone has a powerful vehicle and winning is driven by how teams master and manage that power. AI is the biggest shift of our careers—but most companies are stuck at the “cool demo” stage. In this episode, former Adobe CTO/CPO and Typeface founder/CEO Abhay Parasnis joins Mike Linton to unpack the AI cold start problem: how to move from experiments to enterprise impact. We cover where the C-suite is pushing, why practitioners are hesitating, and how to design lighthouse wins that change the org—not just the deck.Abhay shares hard numbers (a 93% lift from email personalization in 120 days), why “watermelon metrics” derail programs, and the new reality that as agents/bots consume more content, your brand narrative must be built for machines and humans. We dig into the accountability shift from agencies to in-house teams, how to evaluate vendors without boiling the ocean, and the culture moves leaders need to close the gap between ambition and adoption.What you’ll learnA practical AI playbook: pick one revenue-adjacent use case, rewire the process, measure before/after, then scaleHow to align the board, C-suite, and operators to avoid “innovation theater”Where AI drives top-line growth vs. simple cost takeout—and how to prove itSpotting resistance (job loss fears, “new thing” fatigue, agency incentives) and converting it into momentumThe right vendor questions (and red flags) to separate sizzle from outcomesWhy authenticity, governance, and legal guardrails must ship with your AI stackAbout AbhayFounder & CEO of Typeface (AI-powered personalized marketing). Former CTO & CPO at Adobe; leadership roles at Microsoft and Oracle; board member at Dropbox and Schneider Electric.Sponsor — QuadMarketing only works when everything works together. That’s why Quad is obsessed with reducing friction and integrating smarter—so your marketing machine runs faster with better ROI. See how better gets done: https://www.quad.com/buildbetterChapters (38:00)00:00 Intro & sponsor01:10 Guest intro & topic setup03:10 The AI cold start problem & Amara’s Law07:00 C-suite urgency vs. practitioner reality11:30 Beyond efficiency: driving top-line growth15:10 Content demand, bots/agents, and “watermelon metrics”19:20 Case study: 93% lift from email personalization23:30 Resistance patterns: job loss, new-thing fatigue, agency economics29:10 Vendor questions & lighthouse projects that actually ship33:10 Legal, authenticity, and governance considerations35:30 Closing advice: beginner’s mindset + bet on people37:30 WrapSubscribeNew episodes every Tuesday on YouTube, Apple, and Spotify. If you’re a CMO, CEO, CFO, COO, founder, or rising marketing leader—hit subscribe for executive-level conversations that translate directly to results.Host: Mike LintonGuest: Abhay Parasnis ( @typefaceai  )Tags:CMO Confidential,Mike Linton,Abhay Parasnis,Typeface,Adobe,AI in marketing,AI cold start,Generative AI,Amara’s Law,Marketing leadership,Change management,C suite,Board of directors,Agency model,Marketing efficiency,Top line growth,Email personalization,Content at scale,Marketing ROI,Measurement,Watermelon metrics,MarTech,CDP,Vendors,Quad,Sponsor,Marketing podcast,Digital transformation,Creative operations,PersonalizationSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

"Dissecting Compensation - A Primer on Understanding, Negotiating and Managing Pay"A CMO Confidential Interview with Richard Sanderson, the Marketing, Sales, and Communications Practice Leader at Spencer Stuart. Richard starts with the basics of salary, bonus and equity and branches out to compensation mix, the various types of equity, negotiating best practices, and the "other" elements of an offer. Key topics include: why the devil is in the details; when and how to discuss compensation; the difference between dumb luck and bad luck; and why everyone should do a "multi-year cash flow analysis." Tune in to hear why you should always read the proxy statement and the importance of being prepared to explain how you are using AI.In Part 2, host Mike Linton sits back down with Spencer Stuart Practice Leader Richard Sanderson to get tactical about comp negotiations, severance, equity, and managing your team through pay anxiety. If you’re a CMO (or headed there), this episode is your field guide to securing a fair offer and stewarding compensation conversations with your org.Points of interest: • Your moment of maximum leverage: why the verbal offer is the prime time to align on comp—and how to use that window without damaging trust. • How different companies negotiate: spotting “full & fair” one-shot offers vs. multi-round negotiators—and how to work the process with your recruiter as a broker to keep heat and emotion out. • Beyond base and bonus: what’s often negotiable (e.g., severance, sign-on/bridge, relocation, start date, work location, travel, even one-offs) and how to prioritize your asks. • Severance norms & timing: what policies typically look like (e.g., 6–12 months in many cases), when to ask, and why it’s safest through the recruiter. • Feeling underpaid? Building a data-backed case with market signals, peer benchmarks, recruiter insight—and how proxy statements can ground internal conversations. • Underwater equity & team morale: acknowledging pain, reframing to a long-term vision, and understanding annual equity refresh dynamics (timing matters). • Do the 5-year cash-flow analysis: compare current state vs. new offer (vesting, cliffs, bridge needs) so you don’t get surprised in Year 1–2. • Today’s relocation reality: mortgage-rate math and why moves can be financially punitive—plan your package accordingly. • Offer etiquette & reputation risk: why turning down a written offer is a red flag on process—and why reneging after signing can follow you. • Be ready for the AI question: every senior marketing interview now probes AI use cases, impact, and CFO alignment—have crisp examples.Sponsored by QuadMarketing only works when everything works together. Quad helps your marketing machine run with less friction and smarter integration—so you get speed, efficiency, and ROI. Better marketing is built on Quad. See how better gets done at www.quad.com/buildbetter.If you missed Part 1, go watch that next—then subscribe for weekly conversations with leaders who’ve sat in the CMO chair.#CMOConfidential #CMO #ExecutiveCompensation #MarketingLeadership #Negotiation #Equity #Severance #AIinMarketing #SpencerStuart #MikeLinton #RichardSanderson #QuadSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Richard Sanderson, the Marketing, Sales, and Communications Practice Leader at Spencer Stuart. Richard starts with the basics of salary, bonus and equity and branches out to compensation mix, the various types of equity, negotiating best practices, and the "other" elements of an offer. Key topics include: why the devil is in the details; when and how to discuss compensation; the difference between dumb luck and bad luck; and why everyone should do a "multi-year cash flow analysis." Tune in to hear why you should always read the proxy statement and the importance of being prepared to explain how you are using AI.What should CMOs (and aspiring CMOs) know about salary, bonus, and equity—and how do you actually negotiate it? Mike Linton sits down with Richard Sanderson, Practice Leader at Spencer Stuart, to demystify executive compensation for marketing leaders. They cover base pay vs. bonus, RSUs vs. options vs. PSUs, vesting mechanics, event-based triggers, how and when to negotiate, and what new pay-equity laws mean for candidates. Real talk on forfeitures, bonus history, and why your “one big ask” matters when the offer finally comes.What we cover • Why CMO pay data is scarce (and what that means for “market rate”) • Compensation mix: public vs. private/PE, U.S. vs. Europe, and “CMO+” roles • Equity 101: RSUs, options (strike prices/underwater risk), and PSUs (accelerators/decelerators) • Vesting models: time-, performance-, and event-based—and what you can/can’t negotiate • Bonuses: how targets are set, why they’re harder to move, and the 3-year payout history test • Negotiation timing: expectation-setting, handling the “what are your expectations?” question, and using information asymmetry to your advantage • Pay-equity & transparency laws: what recruiters can ask (expectations) vs. can’t (history), and how to discuss forfeitures • Offer strategy: why you typically get one high-leverage counter—and how to use itSponsor @quadgraphics  — Better marketing is built on Quad. When everything in your marketing machine works together, efficiency, speed, and ROI go up. See how better gets done: www.quad.com/buildbetter⸻🎧 New episodes every Tuesday.📰 Companion newsletter every Friday with the top insights.⸻CMO Confidential,Mike Linton,Richard Sanderson,Spencer Stuart,CMO compensation,executive compensation,marketing leadership,base salary,bonus structures,equity compensation,RSUs,stock options,PSUs,vesting schedules,performance shares,forfeitures,compensation negotiation,pay transparency laws,pay equity,offer strategy,total rewards,chief marketing officer,chief growth officer,chief commercial officer,chief revenue officer,recruiter advice,board expectations,public vs private equity,marketing careers,Quad sponsorSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Dwight Hutchins, Senior Managing Director of Boston Consulting Group (BCG) and a Northwestern Adjunct Professor, previously Managing Director at Accenture focused on Consumer Products, Health Care and Public Service. Dwight shares his thinking on why marketers should be prepared to reduce expenses and shift resources into a re-imagined future versus incrementally evolving spend and structure. Key topics include: his belief that the complexity of marketing has resulted in many instances of wasted spending; the importance of "unaided first brand response;" why it's important to be "ahead of the expense reduction game;" and how to focus on working versus non-working dollars. Tune in to hear how about reducing $1B in spend to fund new initiatives and a "wild west" story about a battery on-pack promotion.The Fine Art of Reducing Marketing Expense in an AI WorldThis week on CMO Confidential, Mike Linton sits down with Dwight Hutchins—Senior Partner & Managing Director at Boston Consulting Group and adjunct professor at Northwestern—to tackle the question every CMO hears from the CFO: “Keep the top line growing… and cut your budget.”Dwight explains how to find waste without hurting performance, where AI actually improves efficiency (and where it doesn’t), how to test into cuts with confidence, and why many brands still miss “sufficiency” by spreading spend like peanut butter. We dig into frequency capping, working vs. non-working ratios, zero-based budgeting (used sanely), org design, insource vs. outsource, and a real-world case where a company freed up billions and redeployed it to growth channels. Stay for his “Wild West” in-store marketing story—complete with batteries taped to milk.Sponsored by Typeface — the AI-native, agentic marketing platform that turns one idea into thousands of on-brand assets across channels, safely integrated with your MarTech stack. See how leaders like ASICS and Microsoft scale personalized content with Typeface.⸻⏱️ Chapters00:00 – Intro & guest: Dwight Hutchins (BCG)02:05 – The market reality: uncertainty, shifting buyer values06:10 – CFO pressure: “grow and cut” in the same breath09:20 – AI spend vs. payoff: recalibrating expectations12:25 – Media fragmentation & the “peanut butter” budget problem15:55 – Where AI helps most: measurement, targeting, creative ops19:10 – Forensic cuts case study: freeing up massive dollars23:10 – Finding waste: frequency caps, ad length, quality controls27:05 – “First Fast Response”: demand spaces & brand power30:20 – Sufficiency & focus: stop starving campaigns33:05 – Working vs. non-working: ratios that actually move results35:20 – Zero-based budgeting (in moderation, with data)37:10 – Org & ops: redesigning execution, in/outsourcing lines38:55 – Fun story: the “batteries-on-milk” promo & promo ROI40:00 – Final takeaways & sponsor⸻CMO Confidential, Mike Linton, Dwight Hutchins, Boston Consulting Group, BCG, marketing efficiency, reduce marketing spend, AI in marketing, marketing analytics, media mix optimization, frequency capping, working vs non-working, zero-based budgeting, ZBB, demand spaces, brand strategy, executive leadership, CFO CMO alignment, budget cuts, marketing operations, insource vs outsource, creative operations, measurement and attribution, marketing governance, content at scale, Typeface, Typeface AI, generative AI for marketing, agentic AI, MarTech integration, CMOs, marketing leadership, board expectations, growth and efficiency, case study, social media shift, campaign sufficiencySee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Kate Bullis and David Wiser, Managing Partners and Global Marketing Practice Leaders for ZRG Partners. Kate and David translate their extensive search experience into a pre-game, game time, and post game look at the errors candidates make during the recruiting process. Key topics include: why thorough preparation includes self awareness, a "shopping list" and pattern recognition; how "playbooking," talking too much, and disengagement can doom your interview; and best practices for turning down an offer, handling a disappointment, negotiating an offer, and accepting the opportunity. Tune in to hear why you should never turn down a written offer and other things to avoid if you want to stay off of the search firm's "Do Not Call List." What are the biggest mistakes CMOs make during the interview process?This week on CMO Confidential, host Mike Linton sits down with Kate Bullis and David Wiser, Managing Partners at ZRG and two of the most experienced executive search leaders in marketing. Together, they break down the interview process into Pre-Game, Game Time, and Post-Game—sharing where CMOs most often stumble and how candidates can set themselves up for success.If you’re a C-Suite executive, board member, or aspiring marketing leader, this episode delivers unfiltered insights into how top recruiters evaluate CMOs and what separates successful candidates from the rest.Sponsored by  @typefaceai  — the generative AI platform helping the world’s biggest brands scale personalized marketing in hours, not months.⸻⏱️ Chapters00:00 – Welcome and introduction03:15 – Why interviewing for a CMO role is uniquely challenging07:40 – Pre-Game: Preparing beyond the résumé13:05 – What search firms and boards are really looking for17:50 – Game Time: How to manage the actual interview23:30 – Mistakes CMOs make when telling their career story29:10 – Post-Game: Following up and maintaining momentum34:20 – The role of references and backchannel checks37:50 – Final advice for candidates and boards40:00 – Wrap-up and sponsor message⸻📌 TagsCMO Confidential, Mike Linton, Kate Bullis, David Wiser, ZRG Partners, CMO interview tips, marketing executive search, chief marketing officer, CMO mistakes, CMO hiring process, how to become a CMO, executive interview prep, board expectations for CMOs, marketing leadership, CMO role design, interview strategy, executive recruiters, marketing careers, marketing C-Suite, executive search firms, leadership hiringSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Shiv Singh, CEO of Savvy Matters, former CMO of Lending Tree and author of AI For Dummies and The 5 Marketing Truths You Won't See at Cannes. Shiv shares why he believes AI is killing marketing jobs, how the CMO Role is breaking down due to overlap with other functions, and how "Big Tech is running marketing." Key topics include: how walled gardens make the job harder; why the optics of Cannes are terrible; and the reason marketers should work to fully understand technology. Tune in to hear how AI is making us less intelligent and why Cannes should move to San Francisco. DescriptionWhat you won’t hear on the Croisette. Former LendingTree CMO and Marketing with AI for Dummies author Shiv Singh joins host Mike Linton to unpack his viral “5 marketing truths you won’t hear at Cannes”—from AI’s real impact on jobs and creativity to why the CMO role keeps breaking under overlapping scopes, walled gardens, and distorted budgets.We dig into the zero-click search era, big tech as the new kingmakers, how to rebuild orgs AI-first, and what practical steps CMOs should take this quarter (hint: learn the tech, ship agents, and embed marketers into tech teams).In this episode • AI is changing performance, creative, and strategy—faster than the hype cycle • The CMO job: too wide, too blurry, and overlapped with the rest of the C-suite • Walled gardens & retail media: measurement theater vs. business impact • Zero-click search & AI Overviews: when your best customers never hit your site • “AI-native” org design: agents, code-as-deliverable, and the marketer-as-technologist • Why Cannes optics can backfire—and what a substance-first festival could look like • Playbook for CMOs: weekly show-and-tells, code literacy, and cross-functional embedsAbout our guestShiv Singh is CEO of Savvy Matters, co-founder of AI Trailblazers, former CMO of LendingTree, and a longtime brand leader (Pepsi, Visa). He writes and speaks widely on AI’s impact on marketing, org design, and growth.Sponsor — TypefaceLegacy tools weren’t built for AI. Typeface is the first multimodal platform where agentic workflows handle everything from brainstorming to launch across every channel. Transform one idea into thousands of on-brand assets—text, images, and video—at enterprise scale, with security and seamless MarTech integrations. See how brands like ASICS and Microsoft move from brief to personalized campaigns in hours: typeface.ai/cmo.If you’re enjoying CMO Confidential, please like, subscribe, and share. New episodes every Tuesday; companion newsletter every Friday.⸻Chapter Markers00:00 – Welcome & Sponsor: Typeface01:45 – Introducing Shiv Singh & “5 Truths You Won’t Hear at Cannes”05:10 – Truth 1: AI is changing jobs, creativity, and strategy10:20 – The CMO role is broken: scope, overlap, and alignment15:05 – Walled gardens & retail media: why measurement is broken19:45 – Truth 2 & 3: Big Tech as the new kingmakers24:20 – Zero-click search & the rise of AI-driven discovery28:50 – Truth 4: Cannes optics and why it’s “not for everybody”32:40 – What CMOs should do: tech fluency, coding, weekly experiments36:00 – Superintelligence and the AI-native org of the future39:00 – Practical advice & closing thoughts⸻CMO Confidential, Mike Linton, Shiv Singh, Savvy Matters, AI Trailblazers, LendingTree, Pepsi, Visa, Cannes Lions, marketing truths, AI in marketing, agentic AI, AI agents, zero-click search, AI Overviews, walled gardens, retail media networks, big tech kingmakers, Google, Meta, TikTok, YouTube as TV, Performance Max, marketing org design, CMO role, C-suite alignment, measurement, marketing strategy, creative automation, knowledge workers, superintelligence, LLMs, large language models, marketer as technologist, code literacy, AI native organization, marketing experimentation, weekly show and tell, brand building, B2B marketing, B2C marketing, marketing leadership, executive insights, podcast for CMOs, Typeface, Typeface AI, typeface.ai/cmo, ASICS, Microsoft, customer acquisition, CAC, CLV, marketing ROI, retail media, AI transformation, marketing jobs and AI⸻See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Dr. Dan McCarthy, Professor of Marketing at Maryland and leading practitioner of Customer Lifetime Value. Dan shares insights from his privacy research based on Apple's "App Tracking Transparency" (ATT) initiative commonly known as "Ask App Not to Track" which include a significant impact on business results, a degradation of CAC, and a disproportionate hit to small companies. Key topics include: how the elimination of a Facebook customer ID negatively impacted revenue, why averaging marketing results can be a profit killer, and why analytical time frames matter. Tune in to hear updates on Dan's other research including Peloton, loyalty programs and "How everyone is cheating their way through college." CMO Confidential: The Disparate Impact of Privacy Policy — with Dr. Dan McCarthy (UMD) on ATT, CLV & CACWhat happens to your revenue when attribution breaks? In this episode, 5x CMO Mike Linton sits down with Dr. Dan McCarthy (Professor of Marketing, University of Maryland; leading practitioner of Customer Lifetime Value) to unpack Apple’s App Tracking Transparency (ATT) and its ripple effects on marketing performance. Dan shares new research showing how the loss of a Facebook customer ID degraded click-through, CAC, and revenue—with disproportionate pain for smaller, Facebook-heavy brands.We dig into why averages kill profit (stop using blended CAC/CLV!), how channel-specific, time-varying metrics drive smarter allocation, and the practical playbook for marketers in a post-IDFA world. Dan also updates us on his other research—Peloton, loyalty & subscription programs (DoorDash/Postmates), and the “everyone is cheating their way through college” debate and what it means for teaching and real-world readiness.What you’ll learn • How ATT broke cross-site attribution and raised CAC while lowering revenue yield • Why small DTC brands took the biggest hit, and how (or if) they can recover • The danger of blended CAC/CLV vs. channel-specific, time-varying metrics • Subscription insights: novelty vs. maturity effects, and behavior after cancellation • Action items to protect growth when signal quality declinesAbout our guestDr. Dan McCarthy is a professor at the University of Maryland (formerly Emory) and one of the foremost experts on CLV and customer-based corporate valuation. His work spans privacy’s impact on e-commerce, subscription economics, loyalty programs, and public-company customer metrics.Sponsor: TypefaceTypeface helps the world’s biggest brands move from brief to fully personalized campaigns in hours, not months. With its agentic AI marketing platform, one campaign becomes thousands of on-brand experiences across ads, email, and video—with enterprise-grade security and seamless MarTech integrations. Learn more at typeface.ai/cmo.Subscribe for more C-suite-level conversations every Tuesday, and catch our Friday newsletter with the top insights.⸻00:00 – Intro & sponsor: Typeface AI01:35 – Meet Dr. Dan McCarthy & ATT explained05:00 – How ATT broke attribution and raised CAC09:15 – Why small brands took the biggest revenue hit13:30 – The danger of blended CAC & CLV averages17:20 – Practical advice: channel-specific, time-varying metrics21:00 – Updates on Peloton & subscription research25:00 – The “everyone is cheating in college” debate28:00 – Final advice: beware of irrational subscriptionsSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

CMO Confidential — “What Your CFO Wants to Tell You (But Won’t)” with CNA CFO Scott LindquistWhat does a great CFO really think about marketing? Mike Linton sits down with Scott Lindquist—CFO of CNA Financial and former long-time CFO of Farmers—to decode the finance side of brand building, performance spend, and the politics of the boardroom. They cover how CMOs should onboard a new CFO, why “marketing math” wins over skeptics, mistakes to avoid in board presentations, and how insurers used bold brand bets to become category killers.What you’ll learn • The four archetypes of CFOs—and how to work with each • Why CFOs who are “joined at the hip” with the CEO think differently about growth • How to explain cost of capital and present value like a marketer (and win budget) • The insurance playbook: brand investment, DTC distribution, and lifetime value • Why every large marketing org needs a Marketing CFO (and how to set it up) • Boardroom pitfalls: jargon, 100-slide decks for 20 minutes, and “draining the slide” • Practical tips for building trust: bring the data, surface bad news early, and speak in outcomesGuestScott Lindquist — Chief Financial Officer, CNA Financial. Former CFO, Farmers Insurance. Started at PwC and has led finance through growth, turnarounds, and public-company scrutiny.HostMike Linton — Former CMO of Best Buy, eBay, and Farmers; former CRO of Ancestry. Host of CMO Confidential, the #1 CMO show on YouTube.Who should watchCMOs, CEOs, CFOs, board members, founders, and marketing leaders who need tighter finance alignment and clearer ROI storytelling.Brought to you by TypefaceLegacy marketing tools weren’t built for AI. Typeface is the first multimodal, agentic AI marketing platform that turns one idea into thousands of on-brand assets—across ads, email, and video—while integrating with your MarTech stack and meeting enterprise-grade security needs. See how brands like ASICS and Microsoft accelerate content at scale: typeface.ai/cmo.—If you’re enjoying the show, please like, comment, and subscribe. New episodes every Tuesday; companion newsletter with the top insights every Friday.#CMOConfidential #CFO #MarketingROI #BrandBuilding #B2BMarketingCMO Confidential, Mike Linton, Scott Lindquist, CNA Financial, Farmers Insurance, CFO, CMO, marketing CFO, finance and marketing alignment, cost of capital, present value, marketing math, LTV, lifetime value, CAC, board presentations, brand valuation, insurance marketing, DTC insurance, Geico, Progressive, performance marketing, media spend, marketing ROI, budgeting, enterprise marketing, MarTech, agentic AI, Typeface AI, ASICS, Microsoft, PwC, executive leadership, C-suite, category strategy, growth strategy, B2B marketing, B2C marketing, onboarding a CFO, sponsorships, vendor management, marketing governance, data-driven marketing, brand building, boardroom communication, enterprise security, AI marketing platformSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Kim Whitler, professor at the University of Virginia Darden School of Business, board member, and former GM and CMO. Kim shares insights from more than a decade of research with over 500 CMO's including how 50+% of roles are misaligned, the huge gap between CEO's and CMO's, the fact that misalignment results in weaker financials, and her belief that better position matching would "prevent" the "cure" of firing the CMO. Key discussion topics include: why the CMO position has the most variance in the C-suite; the importance of matching responsibility, experience and status; and why she thinks search firms can do a better job. Tune in to hear marketing analogies to the New England Patriots line-up and James Bond movie casting.Colonel Mustard, in the Study…with the Job Spec? Why Poor Role Design Shortens CMO Lifespans | CMO ConfidentialWelcome back to CMO Confidential, the podcast that takes you inside the drama, decisions, and politics that go with being the head of marketing. Hosted by 5x CMO Mike Linton (Best Buy, eBay, Farmers Insurance, Ancestry.com).This week, Mike welcomes back Dr. Kim Whitler, Professor of Marketing at the University of Virginia’s Darden School of Business, former CMO, board director, and one of the foremost researchers on the CMO role. Kim has spent 14+ years analyzing 500+ interviews and hundreds of job specs to uncover why nearly 54% of CMO roles are misaligned—and what that means for tenure, effectiveness, and marketing’s reputation in the C-Suite.From her groundbreaking research (published in HBR, Sloan Management Review, and the Journal of the Academy of Marketing Science) to real-world board and executive experience, Kim breaks down:* Why job specs often set CMOs up to fail* The massive perception gap between CEOs (who think roles are well-designed) and CMOs (who don’t)* How status, responsibility, and experience combine to drive—or derail—firm outcomes* The practical questions every CMO candidate should ask before taking a job* Why “throw away the job spec and write your own” might be the smartest advice you’ll hear🎙️ Whether you’re a CMO, CEO, board member, or aspiring marketing leader, this is a masterclass in role design, negotiation, and how to set marketing up for real impact.---📌 Episode Chapters00:00 – Welcome to CMO Confidential01:30 – Introducing Dr. Kim Whitler04:00 – Why CMO job specs often fail08:15 – Defining “misalignment” in CMO roles13:00 – The role of status, responsibility & experience18:30 – The CEO vs. CMO perception gap24:00 – Practical questions every CMO candidate should ask30:00 – Negotiating role design & avoiding pitfalls33:30 – Kim’s closing advice & final story- About Our Sponsor: Typeface AIThis episode is brought to you by Typeface AI www.typeface.ai/cmo — named Company of the Year by Adweek, a TIME Best Invention, and one of Fast Company’s Next Big Things in Tech.Typeface helps the world’s biggest brands move from business brief to fully personalized campaigns in hours, not months. Their agentic AI marketing platform scales a single campaign into thousands of on-brand experiences across ads, email, and video—all while integrating seamlessly with your MarTech stack and maintaining enterprise-grade security.See how brands like Asics and Microsoft are transforming marketing with Typeface at typeface.ai/cmo.---🔔 Don’t miss a single episode—subscribe on **YouTube, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify**.👍 Like this video if you enjoyed the conversation and drop your takeaways in the comments!#CMOConfidential #MarketingLeadership #KimWhitler #CMORole #MarketingStrategy #TypefaceAISee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

CMO Confidential Interview with Tom Goodwin, author, speaker, and former innovation head at Publicis, Zenith, and Havas. Tom discusses his belief that today's CMO's are overly focused on efficiency versus marketing principles and that the contemporary playbook has been created by tech companies focused on performance metrics. Key topics include: an unhealthy focus on the speed of measurement and short-term results; marketers having a "feeling of vulnerability" if they haven't heard of new tech; and the fact that many of the hyped direct-to-consumer brands like Casper and Ridge Wallets aren't actually doing that well. Tune in to hear the underestimated impact of "beauty" and a story about being locked out of a self-driving car. 🚨 New Episode of CMO Confidential 🚨This week, host Mike Linton (5x CMO: eBay, Best Buy, Farmers Insurance, Ancestry.com) sits down with Tom Goodwin — author, speaker, and former global head of innovation at Publicis, Zenith and Havas.Tom argues that today’s marketing playbook has been hijacked by tech platforms obsessed with performance metrics and short-term efficiency. In this wide-ranging conversation, we cover:✅ Why CMOs are over-indexing on efficiency at the expense of brand-building principles✅ The fear of irrelevance driving marketers to chase every new technology trend✅ How speed of measurement is warping long-term thinking✅ Why many direct-to-consumer darlings like Casper and Ridge Wallets aren’t as successful as headlines suggest✅ The underestimated role of beauty and creativity in building lasting value✅ A wild story about being locked out of a self-driving carWhether you’re a CMO, founder, board member, or just obsessed with the future of marketing, this episode is a must-listen.👉 Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and hit the bell for more insider conversations on what it really takes to be a modern CMO.#CMO #MarketingLeadership #TomGoodwin #CMOConfidential #BrandBuilding #MarketingStrategy #CMOInsights #DigitalMarketing #Innovation⸻CMO Confidential,Tom Goodwin interview,Tom Goodwin marketing,CMO podcast,CMO role,CMO insights,marketing leadership,marketing podcast,brand building,marketing strategy,digital marketing,marketing efficiency,marketing principles,innovation in marketing,short term vs long term marketing,beauty in branding,CMO advice,marketing leadership podcast,marketing tech trends,direct to consumer brands,CMO discussion,marketing innovation,self-driving car story,CMO lessons0:00 – Welcome & Intro: Meet Tom Goodwin2:15 – Why CMOs Overvalue Efficiency6:40 – The Tech-Driven Marketing Playbook11:05 – Vulnerability & Fear of Missing Out on New Tech15:20 – The Problem with Short-Term Metrics19:00 – DTC Myths: Casper, Ridge Wallet & Beyond23:45 – The Undervalued Power of Beauty & Creativity28:10 – Locked Out of a Self-Driving Car (Story)30:15 – Final Takeaways & Wrap-UpSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with David Aaker, Vice Chair of Prophet, author of numerous marketing books including Aaker on Branding 2nd Edition, formerly a Haas School of Business Professor. David discusses the history of brand equity starting with the BCG model from the 90's and why that model and scanner data drove a short-term sales focus at the expense of brand equity. After years of progress, he believes we are now experiencing "A revival of short-termism." Key topics include: the differences between B2B and B2C brand building; the need for marketers to appreciate that brands aren't built in isolation; and how to break through in a hostile communications environment. Tune in to hear why he believes "There are easy ways for companies to build better brands," and case studies from Dove and Uniqlo. Brand value has been discussed for decades—so why isn’t it a universally accepted business principle? In this episode of CMO Confidential, host Mike Linton sits down with branding legend David Aaker, Vice Chair at Prophet, author of 18 books, and widely regarded as the “Father of Modern Branding,” to unpack why the fight for brand equity is far from over.From the origins of brand equity in the 1990s to today’s hostile marketing environment, Aaker shares insights on: • Why brand should be treated as a long-term asset, not a short-term tactic • How short-termism and performance marketing are eroding brand value • The difference between B2B and B2C brand management (and why organizational values matter more in B2B) • Examples of brands that have nailed disruptive innovation and purpose-driven branding (Dove, Uniqlo, Habitat for Humanity) • Why most companies are managing brands poorly in today’s cluttered, skeptical media environment • How AI could democratize creativity and make professional branding accessible to more companiesPacked with history, frameworks, and practical examples, this conversation will change the way you think about brand value, brand portfolios, and how to make your brand truly indispensable.00:00 – Introduction to CMO Confidential & Guest David Aaker01:15 – Why Brand Value Still Isn’t a Universally Accepted Principle03:45 – The Birth of Brand Equity in the 1990s06:10 – Short-Termism, Performance Marketing, and the Brand Erosion Problem08:35 – How to Justify Brand as an Asset (Case Studies & Examples)11:20 – The Visibility Advantage and 14 Dimensions of Brand Value13:05 – Why CFOs and Boards Believe in Other Brands, but Not Their Own15:10 – B2B vs B2C Branding: Key Differences and What Matters Most17:45 – Why Many Companies Are Managing Brands Poorly Today20:00 – Branding in a Hostile Communication Environment22:05 – The Power of Brand Portfolios, Companion Brands, and “Silver Bullet” Brands24:30 – Examples: Uniqlo, HeatTech, and the Westin Heavenly Bed26:10 – Super Bowl Advertising: Breaking Through Clutter and Skepticism28:00 – AI, the Democratization of Creativity, and the Future of Branding29:20 – Final Advice: Your Duty as a Marketer to Build the Brand as an Asset30:15 – Closing Remarks & SubscribeHere’s your list fully hashtagged and comma-separated:#cmoconfidential, #DavidAaker, #brandvalue, #brandequity, #brandstrategy, #marketingstrategy, #brandingadvice, #B2Bbranding, #B2Cbranding, #brandmanagement, #shorttermism, #performancemarketing, #purposedrivenbranding, #DoveRealBeauty, #UniqloHeatTech, #HabitatforHumanity, #marketingleadership, #brandportfolio, #brandeddifferentiators, #brandedenergizers, #brandedsourceofcredibility, #hostilemediaenvironment, #disruptiveinnovation, #AIinbranding, #democratizationofcreativity, #CMOpodcast, #marketingpodcastSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Auren Hoffman, CEO of SafeGraph, formerly co-founder and CEO of LiveRamp. Auren discusses his belief that vendor management is the most critical skill for the future and why most companies should "rent" a high caliber pool of talent instead of hiring individual executives. Key topics include: thoughts on improving your vendor management skill (with outside law firms as an example); the concept of "scaffolding" developing talent; why he believes procurement is a "negative value" function; and why he would short consulting firm Booz Allen. Tune in to hear why he thinks private equity has shifted from making companies better into financial engineers and his belief that an MBA usually has a negative ROI.CMO Confidential: Auren Hoffman on Vendor Management, Talent Strategy, and the Broken MBAIn this week’s episode of CMO Confidential, Mike Linton sits down with Auren Hoffman, CEO of SafeGraph and former co-founder/CEO of LiveRamp, to challenge conventional thinking on hiring, procurement, and leadership development.Auren shares why he believes vendor management is the #1 skill for future executives—and why most companies should rent world-class capabilities rather than hire executives they can’t fully utilize. From “scaffolding” young talent to his provocative views on procurement’s negative value, Booz Allen, MBAs, and the transformation of private equity, this episode is packed with contrarian insights for CMOs, CEOs, and founders alike.🧠 Don’t miss Auren’s candid takes on why many traditional business functions are stuck in the past—and what leaders should do instead.🔔 Subscribe for more insider lessons on what it really takes to thrive in the C-suite.⏱️ Chapters:00:00 - Introduction: Auren Hoffman’s Background & Career Path01:45 - The Most Important Executive Skill: Vendor Management05:22 - Why Renting Talent Beats Hiring for Most Companies08:40 - Scaffolding: A Framework for Developing Talent12:10 - The Case Against Procurement: “A Negative Value Function”16:03 - Why He Would Short Booz Allen18:35 - Private Equity’s Shift from Builders to Financial Engineers23:14 - The Problem with MBAs and Why ROI is Often Negative26:40 - How Executives Should Rethink Internal Capabilities29:08 - Final Thoughts & Rapid-Fire TakesAuren Hoffman, SafeGraph, LiveRamp, CMO Confidential, Mike Linton, vendor management, procurement, scaffolding talent, executive hiring strategy, Booz Allen, private equity critique, MBA ROI, modern leadership skills, B2B marketing, executive leadership, future of work, marketing strategy, marketing podcast, business podcast, CEO advice, CMO podcast, talent development, rent vs hire, startup strategy, enterprise strategy, marketing leadership, SafeGraph CEO, Auren Hoffman interviewSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Peri Hansen, Korn Ferry Leader, CMO Practice, North America. Peri discusses why the CMO position is becoming the vanguard of innovation, the importance of an "agile learner" mindset, and why there's no substitute for great leadership. Key topics include: how nothing "returned to normal" after COVID; the importance of org design; and why CMO's should own the entire customer life cycle and help drive company strategy. Tune in to hear why references matter more than ever and the importance of building a personal brand.Why the CMO Is Now the Innovation Leader | Peri Hansen, Korn Ferry CMO PracticeIn this episode of CMO Confidential, Mike Linton sits down with Peri Hansen, leader of the CMO Practice at Korn Ferry North America, to explore how the role of Chief Marketing Officer has become the new vanguard of innovation, strategy, and customer-centric growth.From org design to leadership development, Peri breaks down the key traits of successful CMOs and why companies are no longer returning to pre-COVID norms. She shares why agile learning, personal brand-building, and owning the full customer lifecycle are now non-negotiables for modern marketing leaders.Topics Covered: • Why CMOs are being tapped to drive innovation and transformation • The post-COVID shift in org design and what it means for marketing • The importance of leadership, agility, and continuous learning • Why great references still matter in the hiring process • How CMOs can (and should) influence company-wide strategySubscribe for weekly episodes featuring world-class marketing leaders, board members, and C-Suite executives.⏱️ Chapters (Optimized for 29-minute Runtime)00:00 – Intro: The Evolving Role of the CMO01:00 – Meet Peri Hansen: Korn Ferry CMO Practice Leader02:12 – Why the CMO is Now the Vanguard of Innovation04:30 – Three New Mandates for CMOs: Tech, Strategy & Lifecycle06:50 – The CMO as a Change Agent and Team Builder08:30 – Tech CMOs Are Leading—Who’s Catching Up?10:15 – Building Tech Credibility as a Marketing Leader12:10 – “Nothing Returned to Normal” After COVID13:30 – Post-COVID Turnover: What CEOs and Boards Want Now15:30 – What’s Replacing the Traditional CMO Role?17:10 – Why Org Design Is a Top Priority in CMO Searches19:05 – How Companies Realize They Need Org Restructuring20:45 – The AI Era: Is There a Leadership Gap Forming?22:20 – What Agile Leadership Actually Looks Like24:00 – What Resumes Reveal: Pivot Points and Risk-Taking25:10 – Why References Matter More Than Ever27:00 – Final Advice: CMOs, Build Your Own Personal Brand28:40 – Wrap Up & Where to Find More CMO Confidential Content#CMOConfidential #PeriHansen  @kornferryintl  #ChiefMarketingOfficer #Leadership #OrgDesign #CustomerExperience #MarketingStrategy #PersonalBrand #ExecutiveSearch #CMOInsightsSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Dan Salkey, Co-Founder & Strategy Partner at Small World, an agency designed to create "entertainment first" brands. Dan discusses the concept of "Entertain or Die," the difference between "owning" and "renting" eyeballs, and why his focus is on "saves, likes, and shares." Key topics include: the fact that attention is earned; the difference between entertaining and selling; why many tech brands forget to entertain; and how to measure "attentive cost" versus cost per impression. Tune in to hear case studies on Liquid Death and Duolingo and why Net Scout produced a Werner Herzog film.In this episode of CMO Confidential, Mike Linton sits down with Dan Salkey, Co-Founder and Strategy Partner at Small World, an agency on a mission to create entertainment-first brands. Dan unpacks his provocative framework: “Entertain or Die.” From building brand characters to measuring success in saves and shares—not impressions—this conversation is packed with insights for CMOs navigating the new attention economy.🧠 Learn why the best brands own their eyeballs instead of renting them, what marketers can learn from creators like MrBeast, and why  @netscoutinc  made a Werner Herzog documentary to stand out.🔍 Featuring case studies from Liquid Death, Duolingo, and other unexpected brand entertainers, this episode offers a blueprint for building marketing that actually gets watched—and shared.🎯 Topics Covered: • The rise of entertainment-first branding • “Saves, likes, and shares” as new core KPIs • Measuring attentive cost vs. cost per impression • The hidden power of brand characters and mascots • Why marketers need a writer’s room mindset • How boring B2B brands can still break throughSubscribe to CMO Confidential for weekly insights from top marketing executives, strategists, and creators.Dan Salkey, Entertainment First Marketing, CMO Confidential, Mike Linton, Small World Agency, Liquid Death Marketing, Duolingo Brand Strategy, Branded Content, Entertain or Die, Brand Characters, Marketing Strategy 2025, Attention Economy, NetScout Werner Herzog, MrBeast Brand Playbook, Content Marketing, Virality Metrics, Branded Entertainment, Marketing Innovation, Social Media Marketing, Save and Share Strategy, B2B Brand Breakthrough, Branded Documentary, Marketing PodcastSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Andy Sack and Adam Brotman, Co-Founders and Co-CEO's of Forum 3, authors of the book AI First, previously at Microsoft and Starbucks. They discuss why AI is different from previous technology advances and the series of "Holy Shit!" moments experienced when interviewing Sam Altman, Bill Gates and others. Key topics include: their belief that AI is "moving faster than you think" since it isn't constrained by an adoption curve or infrastructure; the power of Artificial General Intelligence which will be smarter than most experts; why trying to calculate the ROI of AI is comparable to measuring the return on electricity; and the possibility of 95% of marketing and agency jobs being impacted over the next 5 years. Tune in to hear how Chat GPT scored a top grade on the AP Biology Exam, how Moderna became an AI leader, and their tips for staying near the front of the wave.This week on CMO Confidential, host Mike Linton sits down with Adam Brotman, former Chief Digital Officer of Starbucks and co-CEO of J.Crew, and Andy Sack, venture capitalist and Managing Partner at Keen Capital. Together they co-authored AI First and co-founded Forum3, a company on a mission to educate businesses on how to thrive in the AI era.In this episode, Adam and Andy recount their interviews with leaders like Sam Altman, Bill Gates, and Reid Hoffman—and unpack why we are at a true “Holy Sh*t Moment” in technology.Learn how generative AI is poised to replace 95% of marketing tasks, what agentic AI means for the future of work, and why marketers need to shift from campaign thinking to orchestration and system design—fast.Topics Covered: • What Adam and Andy learned from interviewing tech’s top minds • Why artificial general intelligence (AGI) is closer than you think • How AI tools will transform agency and in-house marketing roles • Why marketers must experiment now—or risk irrelevance • The unexpected productivity ROI of adopting AI toolsThis episode isn’t just about AI—it’s about how business leaders and marketers must transform to remain relevant in the age of exponential change.00:00 - Intro & AI-Powered Marketing by Publicis Sapient 01:42 - Welcome + Adam Brotman & Andy Sack intro 04:45 - Why “AI First” started as “Our AI Journey” 08:13 - The “Holy Sh*t” moment explained 10:00 - Interviewing Sam Altman and the AGI revelation 15:50 - Bill Gates’ AI holy sh*t moment 20:30 - What AGI means for marketers and agencies 25:20 - Agentic AI and spinning up marketing agents 30:40 - Consumer behavior and synthetic influencers 34:50 - How agencies must evolve or die 38:20 - The case study of Moderna's AI-first approach 41:00 - Evaluating AI vendors + building internal councils 45:10 - The ROI of AI: Productivity & Unlocks 49:00 - Playbook for becoming an AI-first org 52:30 - Funny poker shirt story + parting advice 56:00 - Closing thoughts and next episode teaser #GenerativeAI #CMOConfidential #AdamBrotman #AndySack #Forum3 #MarketingAI #AIInMarketing #AIRevolution #HolyShitMoment #AIFirst #SamAltman #BillGates #AGI #MarketingPodcast #DigitalTransformation #FutureOfWork #AIProductivity #ChiefMarketingOfficer #CMOLife #AIPlaybook #MarketingLeadership #AIForBusinessSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Michael Treff, the CEO of Code + Theory, a growing 2000 person agency which combines technology and creativity. Michael discusses the disruption in consumer behavior, why B2B client service is becoming more holistic, and why companies should "go on offense" in a time of uncertainty. Key topics include: The strategic question of "What do you want your humans to be doing;" his belief that there will be a growing demand for ROI on tech spending; how everyone can become a creative change agent; and why he hates the concept of "The Big Idea." Tune in to hear the lesson of "prompt engineers" and an analogy of how playing in a punk band is like learning to use AI.In this week’s episode of CMO Confidential, five-time CMO Mike Linton is joined by Michael Treff, CEO of award-winning agency Code and Theory for a no-holds-barred discussion on why most AI strategies are missing the point.Treff—who leads an agency named B2B Agency of the Year by Ad Age and innovation standout by Fast Company—argues that leaders are mistaking AI tools for strategy. Instead, he lays out a bold case for orchestration—aligning people, tools, and data across the enterprise to drive real customer value. Together, Mike and Michael unpack: • Why B2B marketers need to stop treating customers like corporate buyers and start treating them like humans. • Why defensive strategies during disruption are a recipe for irrelevance. • The myth of the “big idea”—and why creativity has been democratized. • Why prompt engineers were never the future. • What AI orchestration really means—and how it can finally connect data silos, unify customer journeys, and drive performance.Whether you’re a CMO, agency leader, or aspiring executive, this is an unmissable playbook for navigating AI disruption, avoiding short-sighted efficiency traps, and building brands that thrive.🎧 Listen now on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or watch the full episode on YouTube.🔗 Sponsored by  @PublicisSapient  — Smarter marketing, happier teams, wow-worthy customer moments.Visit: https://www.publicissapient.com#CMOConfidential #MarketingLeadership #AIinMarketing #MichaelTreff #CodeAndTheory #B2BMarketing #CMOStrategy #MarTech #MarketingPodcast #MarketingAI #MikeLinton #BrandStrategy #DigitalTransformation⸻⏱️ YouTube Chapter Timestamps:00:00 - Welcome to CMO Confidential01:15 - Meet Michael Treff, CEO of Code and Theory03:08 - AI Disruption in B2B: Humanizing the Customer06:00 - Why B2B Requires a Holistic Customer Lens08:47 - Agency Mergers & The Death of the Middle11:35 - Scale vs. Focus: Who Wins in Holding Company Wars?14:10 - Leadership in an Anxious Market: Offense vs. Defense17:25 - Code and Theory’s Internal AI Transformation20:15 - The Myth of the Prompt Engineer22:10 - Why Most AI Strategies Are Flawed25:00 - Connecting People, Tools, and Data with AI27:15 - Democratizing Creativity: What It Really Means30:00 - Why the Big Idea is Dead (and What Comes Next)32:25 - Predictions for 2025 in B2B, Tech & AI34:05 - Final Advice: Everyone Can Lead ChangeSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Nancie discusses her "brand fix" classifications of refine, purposefully manage, and transform, how to get started with data even when money and time are tight, some "Taylor Swift" approaches to brand work, and the difference between mission and brand. Key topics include: how to get the organization in harmony; why "The Big Reveal" is usually the wrong way to go; and her belief that both Sephora and Apple are losing brand steam. Tune in to hear case studies on Georgetown, The Mayo Clinic, and Samsung and a humorous story about a heart attack.You were brought in to fix the brand… but what exactly does that mean? In this week’s episode of CMO Confidential, host and 5x CMO Mike Linton sits down with brand strategist Nancie McDonnell Ruder, founder of Noetic Consulting, to unpack the real-world challenges behind “fixing” a brand.From navigating crises at major healthcare institutions to helping Georgetown University build brand alignment across decentralized marketing teams, Nancie shares her proven frameworks and hard-won insights on strengthening brands from the inside out.They discuss: • The difference between a brand crisis, a refinement, and a transformation • What to do when your brand is suffering—but the real problem lies elsewhere • Why internal alignment and education are non-negotiable for brand success • The 5 best practices for brand revitalization (with names like Taylor Swift songs!) • Brand fails to avoid—including the “Big Reveal” trap and skipping customer data • And yes… the show ends with a heart attack, mouth-to-mouth CPR, and a forehead kiss (you’ll just have to listen)00:00 – Intro: Welcome & episode setup01:02 – What does it really mean to “fix the brand”?03:45 – The Georgetown University brand refinement case06:25 – Standing up a brand for the first time (Mayo Clinic example)08:55 – Brand crisis vs. product/perception issue: How to tell the difference11:40 – Diagnosing the real problem: What does the data say?14:05 – Samsung’s brand affinity challenge and how they solved it16:20 – The 5 best practices for brand revitalization (Taylor Swift edition)19:45 – Worst practices: The “big reveal,” internal misalignment, and ignoring skeptics23:05 – The importance of activating the brand internally25:30 – Brands to watch: Sephora, Apple, and Domino’s28:20 – Funniest brand moment: A heart attack, CPR, and unexpected teamwork31:15 – Final takeaway + Mike’s sauceless pizza story33:30 – Outro: Upcoming episodes and where to subscribeIf you’re a CMO, CEO, board member, or founder facing brand issues—or aiming to avoid them—this episode is your toolkit.🔔 Subscribe to stay on top of what it really takes to lead marketing at the highest level.📥 Newsletter with top takeaways drops every Friday: https://cmoconfidential.substack.comCMO Confidential, Mike Linton, Nancie McDonnell Ruder, brand strategy, fix the brand, brand transformation, brand refinement, marketing strategy, CMO insights, internal alignment, brand health, Noetic Consulting, Georgetown University marketing, Mayo Clinic brand, Samsung brand case, leadership mistakes, brand campaign, CMO podcast, top marketing podcast, marketing leadership, executive marketing, board-level strategy, brand storytelling, marketing turnaround, nonprofit marketing, higher ed marketing, Apple brand erosion, Domino’s case study, Taylor Swift brand songs, marketing best practicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Dr. Eugene Soltes, Harvard Business School Professor and author of "Why They Do It - Inside the Mind of the White Collar Criminal". Eugene discusses how most crimes start out as small, often unnoticed decisions made by strategic people, how nearly everyone has a chance to step over the line, why many companies (Air BnB, Uber, AI) take regulatory risk, and how culture drives poor individual choices. Key topics include: when puffery gets murky; why it's dangerous to "convince yourself;" why it doesn't matter "who signed off;" and the "fraud triangle." Listen in to hear why humility and counterpoints are critical, what he learned about risk assessment from the Free Solo climber, the "difference between being an arms dealer and a transportation company," and how there are "a million ways to pay a bribe."In Part 2 of our conversation with Harvard Business School professor and author of Why They Do It, Dr. Eugene Soltes, we dive even deeper into the ethical gray zones that surround today’s most ambitious companies. From social media firms that hide behind “just connecting people” to leaders who convince themselves their actions are justified, Eugene explains how culture, rationalization, and groupthink drive even the smartest executives into trouble.You’ll learn why having a sign-off from Legal is never enough, why the “show me where it says I can’t” culture is so corrosive, and why CMOs must understand the difference between business risk and integrity risk. We also hear Eugene’s story of climbing (briefly) with Free Solo legend Alex Honnold and how that shaped his thinking around open-eyed risk—a model every marketing leader should understand.Topics include: • Why CMOs can’t hide behind Legal • The “arms dealer” mindset in corporate marketing • Risk culture vs. innovation culture • How companies accidentally incentivize bad behavior • Psychological safety vs. performative candor • The million ways bribes get disguised • The importance of personal humility—even in the C-Suite📌 Sponsored by  @PublicisSapient  – AI marketing platforms for personalization 00:00 – Intro 01:00 – Welcome Back: Convincing Yourself It’s OkayMike and Eugene dive into self-deception and ethical gray zones in corporate decisions.02:10 – Don’t Count on the Sign-OffWhy “someone else signed off” isn’t a defense, and the importance of owning your decisions.03:30 – The Explain-to-Your-Spouse TestEugene’s replacement for the outdated “newspaper test” of ethical clarity.04:45 – Know What You’re Signing Up ForIgnorance as a leadership failure and why it’s never an excuse.06:00 – Taking Ethical Stands as a MarketerWhat to do when legal says it’s okay but your gut says otherwise.07:15 – Integrity vs. Strategic RiskA key distinction for marketers: smart business risk vs. ethical risk.08:20 – “A Million Ways to Pay a Bribe”Creative examples of corruption and why culture enables them.10:15 – The “Show Me Where It Says I Can’t” CultureHow policy loopholes can foster ethical erosion.12:00 – The Role of Legal and ComplianceHow to use counsel the right way—not just for CYA.14:00 – The Fraud Triangle + Rationalization RiskHow pressure, opportunity, and rationalization lead to ethical drift.15:45 – Everyone Has the Chance to Be the Bad AppleThe universal risk of stepping over the line—and why culture matters.16:30 – Regulatory Arbitrage: Uber, AI, and the Gray ZoneWhy innovation often requires pushing boundaries—and accepting consequences.18:00 – Free Solo Climbing and Open-Eyed RiskWhat Eugene learned about risk from Alex Honnold and what CMOs can take from it.20:30 – Evaluating Risk from Multiple AnglesWhy great leaders view risk with humility and diversity of perspective.22:00 – Groupthink and the Myth of MomentumThe danger of unchecked optimism and lack of internal dissent.23:30 – The Limits of Mandated Psychological SafetyWhy culture change can’t be legislated—and how real safety is built.24:30 – Final Question: Funny Story or Practical AdviceEugene’s “most awkward moment” and his parting advice on cultivating humility.27:00 – Wrap-Up and Upcoming EpisodesMike closes out with highlights from other case-based episodes.Eugene Soltes, Harvard Business School, white collar crime, CMO Confidential, Mike Linton, ethical marketing, corporate risk, compliance and marketing, groupthink, fraud triangle, Free Solo risk, Alex Honnold business, regulatory arbitrage, arms dealer logic, psychological safety, puffery vs fraud, legal sign-off, integrity in marketing, Publicis Sapient, personalized marketing AI, marketing leadership, executive ethics, culture of compliance, corporate governance, CMOs and riskSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Dr. Eugene Soltes, Harvard Business School Professor and author of "Why They Do It - Inside the Mind of the White Collar Criminal". Eugene discusses how most crimes start out as small, often unnoticed decisions made by strategic people, how nearly everyone has a chance to step over the line, why many companies (Air BnB, Uber, AI) take regulatory risk, and how culture drives poor individual choices. Key topics include: when puffery gets murky; why it's dangerous to "convince yourself;" why it doesn't matter "who signed off;" and the "fraud triangle." Listen in to hear why humility and counterpoints are critical, what he learned about risk assessment from the Free Solo climber, the "difference between being an arms dealer and a transportation company," and how there are "a million ways to pay a bribe."⸻📄 Show Description Wonder what separates creative risk from criminal risk?In this provocative episode of CMO Confidential, five-time CMO Mike Linton sits down with Harvard Business School Professor and author of Why They Do It: Inside the Mind of the White Collar Criminal, Dr. Eugene Soltes. Together, they explore the murky line between strategic marketing and ethical missteps — and why most white-collar crimes don’t start with bad intentions.From regulatory arbitrage in tech and AI to the blurred boundaries of puffery vs. fraud, Eugene unpacks how culture, pressure, and self-justification fuel decisions that ruin reputations, careers, and companies.Key insights include: • Why “almost anyone” can cross the line • How Uber, Airbnb, and AI firms leverage legal gray zones • The danger of “convincing yourself” • When codes of ethics become puff pieces • The fraud triangle in corporate behavior • Lessons from arms dealers and social media companies • Why humility and counterpoints matter in marketing decisionsThis is a masterclass in risk, ethics, and the reputational cliff CMOs stand on every day.🔗 Sponsored by  @PublicisSapient  Sapient — Personalization at the speed of AI. Learn more at www.publicissapient.com00:00 - Introduction & Sponsor Message 01:47 - Meet Dr. Eugene Soltes: Why He Wrote to White Collar Criminals 05:21 - Why White Collar Crime Happens: The Gray Area Between Ethics & Illegality 09:40 - The "Borderline" Class at Harvard and Who Falls into the Gray Zone 13:36 - Regulatory Arbitrage: Uber, Airbnb, and AI’s Legal Loopholes 18:45 - The Copyright Dilemma in Generative AI 21:30 - Puffery vs. Fraud: The Murky Messaging Middle 25:10 - When Ethics Codes Are Just Marketing 27:25 - Pharma Case Study: When Optimism Becomes DeceptionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Teresa Barreira, EVP & Global CMO and CCO of Publicis Sapient, formerly the CMO of Deloitte Consulting. Teresa discusses the evolution of the role in an age of uncertainty, how the "Business of Marketing" has been replaced by "The Business of the Company," and her belief that B2B and B2C Marketing are converging. Key topics include: why she believes the role is evolving to a "Chief Value Officer" tasked with being a "growth architect;" the differing types of transformation; and why having both a positive attitude and an opinion are more important than ever. Tune in to hear the parallels between Darwin's finches, butterflies, and CMO's.Teresa shares her insights on how the “business of marketing” has been replaced by the “business of the company,” why the traditional CMO is evolving into a “Chief Value Officer,” and how B2B and B2C marketing are rapidly converging. She also covers the types of transformation companies are pursuing, the skills needed to thrive in a world dominated by AI, and why attitude, curiosity, and having a strong point of view are more important than ever.You won’t want to miss Teresa’s analogies about Darwin’s finches, butterflies, and the modern CMO, or her predictions for the future of marketing leadership.🔗 Learn more about Publicis Sapient: https://www.publicissapient.com/👉 Subscribe for more insights on the future of marketing leadership: • 🎧 Apple Podcasts • 🎧 Spotify • 📺 YouTube⸻#cmoconfidential , #TeresaBarreira,  @PublicisSapient  , #chiefmarketingofficer, #FutureofMarketing, #marketingleadership , #b2bmarketing, #b2cmarketing, #DigitalTransformation, #ChiefValueOfficer, #aiinmarketing, #MarketingCareers, #BusinessTransformation, #HybridWorkforce, #CMOEvolution, #MikeLinton, #CMOPodcast, #C-SuiteInsights, #GrowthStrategy, #MarketingStrategy, #ExecutiveLeadership, #corporatestrategySee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.