MI for Change: Motivational Interviewing in ABA & Mental Health

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MI for Change: Motivational Interviewing in ABA & Mental Health

MI for Change is the podcast dedicated to exploring Motivational Interviewing (MI) in behavior analysis and mental health. Hosted by Dr. Monica Gilbert, a Board Certified Behavior Analyst and Licensed Psychologist, this show helps professionals transform client conversations — one question at a time.Each episode delivers: ✨ Practical MI strategies you can apply immediately in sessions ✨ Real case examples that bring concepts to life ✨ Inspiring interviews with experts across ABA and mental healthWhether you’re an ABA practitioner, therapist, counselor, or student, you’ll discover how simple shifts in communication can reduce resistance, strengthen rapport, and spark lasting change.Because parent coaching and client conversations don’t have to feel like a struggle — they can be the spark that makes transformation possible.Subscribe today and join the journey to becom

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    Stop Fighting Resistance: The Real Reason Clients Push Back (Motivational Interviewing)

    “Clients aren’t fighting you… they’re fighting to feel understood.”In this episode of MI4Change, Dr. Monica Gilbert breaks down one of the most misunderstood concepts in therapy, ABA, and leadership: resistance.Why do parents, clients, and even supervisees push back—even when they know the intervention works?It’s not defiance.It’s not lack of motivation.And it’s not something you need to “win.”In this episode, you’ll learn:Why resistance is actually valuable informationHow ambivalence (not defiance) drives client behaviorWhy giving more advice often makes things worseHow to shift from fixing → evokingThe exact questions that help clients find their own solutionsHow to reduce burnout by working smarter, not harderYou’ll also hear a powerful strategy using future-based questions (the “miracle question”) to help parents connect present behavior to long-term goals—without confrontation.This episode is essential for therapists, BCBAs, psychologists, coaches, and leaders who want to:✔ Improve client engagement✔ Increase buy-in✔ Reduce resistance✔ Feel less frustrated in sessionsBecause the goal isn’t to convince people to change…It’s to help them want to change.Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    Motivational Interviewing Role Play: What It Actually Sounds Like in Real Sessions

    What does Motivational Interviewing actually sound like in a real conversation?In this episode of MI For Change, Dr. Monica Gilbert walks you through a live role play using motivational interviewing techniques—followed by a step-by-step breakdown of exactly what was done and why it works.This is where theory meets practice.In this episode, you’ll learn:How to create psychological safety at the start of a conversationThe power of open-ended questions to reduce defensivenessHow to use simple, complex, and double-sided reflections effectivelyHow to navigate resistance without confrontationWhat change talk actually sounds like in real timeHow to shift from defensiveness → collaboration → opennessYou’ll hear how a resistant therapist moves from:“I don’t need to be here…”➡️ to“Maybe this is something I could look at.”This episode is a must-listen for therapists, BCBAs, psychologists, leaders, and anyone who wants to improve real-life conversations—not just understand theory.Because knowing MI is one thing…But hearing it in action changes everything.Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    Motivational Interviewing Explained: The 3 Core Foundations Every Therapist Must Know

    If you’ve ever felt unsure about how to actually apply Motivational Interviewing in real sessions—this episode is your starting point.In this foundational episode of MI4Change, Dr. Monica Gilbert breaks down the 3 essential pillars of Motivational Interviewing in a way that is practical, clear, and immediately applicable.Whether you’re a therapist, BCBA, psychologist, coach, educator, or leader, this episode will give you the tools to transform your conversations and create meaningful change.You’ll learn: The Spirit of Motivational Interviewing (PACE) and why it matters more than techniques  How to use OARS communication skills (Open-ended questions, Affirmations, Reflections, Summaries) effectively  The 4 Processes of MI: Engaging, Focusing, Evoking, and Planning  Why many clinicians unintentionally create resistance—and how to avoid it  How to shift from expert-driven conversations → to collaborative change Real examples you can apply immediately in therapy, leadership, and coaching Motivational Interviewing is not just a technique—it’s a way of being with people.And when done correctly, it helps clients find their own motivation… instead of relying on yours.🎯 If you're new to MI, start here. 🎯 If you're experienced, this is your reset.Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    Dale Carnegie vs Motivational Interviewing: The Difference Between Influence and True Change

    In this episode of MI For Change, Dr. Monica Gilbert explores a powerful and often misunderstood comparison: Dale Carnegie’s “How to Win Friends and Influence People” vs. Motivational Interviewing (MI).While both approaches emphasize communication, connection, and influence, they differ in one critical way—the intention behind the conversation.You’ll learn: Why the concept of “influence” can feel manipulative in clinical and leadership settings  The key similarities between Dale Carnegie’s principles and Motivational Interviewing  The missing piece in Carnegie’s work: the Spirit of MI (partnership, autonomy, compassion, evocation) How the righting reflex can damage rapport and create resistance  The difference between persuading someone vs helping them find their own motivation Real-life examples of how MI transforms conversations with parents, clients, and teams This episode will challenge the way you think about communication and help you shift from trying to convince people… to helping them convince themselves.If you’re a therapist, BCBA, psychologist, leader, or helping professional, this is a must-listen episode to elevate your conversations and create lasting change.Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    How to Build Systems and Culture That Scale in Your Practice

    In this episode of MI4Change, we explore how Motivational Interviewing can be applied beyond clinical work—into leadership, business growth, and organizational culture.If you’re a: • BCBA • Business owner • Clinical supervisor • Therapist building a practiceThis episode will help you understand how to scale your organization in a way that is sustainable and aligned with your values.In this episode, Dr. Monica Gilbert shares: • Why processes are critical for scaling a business • How to define roles and responsibilities within your team • How to handle staff resistance and pushback • How to use Motivational Interviewing to build collaboration and autonomy • Why doing too much as a leader creates bottlenecks • How to create a culture of ownership and accountabilityYou’ll also hear real examples from a growing ABA and mental health organization and the lessons learned over 16+ years in the field.Because scaling isn’t just about growth…👉 It’s about building something that can thrive without you.Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    Motivational Interviewing in Leadership: How to Motivate Staff and Build Buy-In

    In this episode of MI4Change, we explore how Motivational Interviewing can transform the way you lead and motivate your team.If you’re a: • BCBA • Clinical supervisor • Business owner • Leader or managerYou’ve likely experienced this:Your staff agrees in the moment… But follow-through doesn’t happen.This isn’t just a motivation problem—it’s a values alignment problem.In this episode, Dr. Monica Gilbert breaks down: • Why traditional leadership approaches create resistance • The difference between compliance and true buy-in • How to identify when your team is dependent on you • The role of values in motivation and behavior change • Practical questions to evoke ownership and initiative • How to use Motivational Interviewing in leadership settingsYou’ll also hear a powerful real-life example that illustrates how true motivation happens when people connect emotionally to what matters most.Because leadership isn’t about pushing people… It’s about helping them see the value for themselves.Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    Resistance vs Discord in Motivational Interviewing: How to Handle “Resistant” Clients

    In this episode of MI For Change, we explore one of the most misunderstood concepts in therapy and behavior change: resistance.What if your client isn’t actually resistant?In Motivational Interviewing, what we often label as “resistance” can be better understood as:Sustained talk (arguments against change) Discord (a breakdown in the relationship or communication) And that distinction can completely transform your sessions.In this episode, you’ll learn: • The difference between resistance, sustained talk, and discord • Why labeling clients as “resistant” can be harmful to the therapeutic process • How to recognize early signs of discord in sessions • Practical Motivational Interviewing questions to reduce defensiveness • How to shift from confrontation to collaboration • How to bring conversations back to trust, curiosity, and partnershipIf you’re a: • BCBA • Therapist • Psychologist • Counselor • Educator • Or anyone working with behavior changeThis episode will give you practical tools to improve communication, increase client buy-in, and create more effective sessions.Remember: It’s not about controlling the client… It’s about guiding the conversation.Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    SLPs, BCBAs, and MI: How Better Collaboration Helps Families

    What happens when two professionals want the same outcome for a child… but speak completely different languages?In this episode of MI for Change, I’m joined by Rose Griffin, a speech therapist and BCBA, to talk about one of the biggest challenges in our field: collaboration between SLPs and BCBAs.We talk about where miscommunication happens, why jargon creates unnecessary walls, and how Motivational Interviewing can help us approach these conversations with more curiosity, less defensiveness, and better outcomes for families.In this conversation, we cover:Where collaboration between SLPs and BCBAs often breaks downWhy jargon and assumptions create so much frictionHow social media has shaped perceptions of ABAWhat clinicians can do to enter difficult conversations with more curiosityWhy parents should never be stuck in the middle of professional disagreementsSmall communication shifts that can strengthen collaboration immediatelyThis episode is for BCBAs, SLPs, OTs, psychologists, educators, and anyone who wants to work better across disciplines.Because at the end of the day, we all want the same thing: better outcomes for the child and less stress for the family.Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    When Helping Too Much Backfires: Prompt Dependency in Therapy

    Helping your clients sounds like the right thing to do.But sometimes… helping too much actually creates the opposite of what we want.In this episode of MI for Change, we talk about prompt dependency — a concept familiar in ABA, but one that shows up in therapy, parent coaching, and leadership as well.Prompt dependency happens when clients begin to rely on the therapist for answers, direction, or solutions… instead of developing the confidence to problem-solve on their own.And often, it happens with the best intentions.In this episode we explore:What prompt dependency actually looks like in therapyWhy over-helping feels good to the therapist (even when it backfires)How giving answers too quickly blocks autonomy and confidenceWhy silence can be one of the most powerful clinical toolsHow Motivational Interviewing shifts us from directing to evokingBecause the real goal of therapy isn’t to be needed forever.It’s to help clients realize they don’t need us as much as they thought.Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    The Difference Between Rapport and Buy-In

    You can have great rapport… and still have clients cancel, avoid homework, or “agree” without following through.So what’s missing?In this episode of MI for Change, I break down the difference between rapport and buy-in — and why they are not the same thing.Rapport means your client trusts you. Buy-in means they see the value and own the change.We’ll talk about:Why compliance is not the goalHow to tell when a parent truly has buy-inThe mistake clinicians make when they move too quickly into “fixing”Why curiosity is your most powerful clinical toolHow to explore both the benefits and costs of change (yes, both sides)If you’ve ever thought: “But they like me… so why aren’t they doing it?”This episode is for you.Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    MI for Neurodiversity: What Works for Autism, ADHD & PDA (Without Pressure)

    If you’ve ever felt like traditional “motivation” strategies don’t land with neurodivergent clients… you’re not imagining it.In this episode, I break down how to use Motivational Interviewing (MI) in a way that actually fits autism, ADHD, and PDA profiles—without overwhelming, pressuring, or accidentally triggering shutdown.We talk about the practical stuff clinicians often miss:Why social approval isn’t always the motivator (and what to focus on instead)How processing speed + sensory load changes the way we should communicateWhy short, concrete reflections often work better than long summariesWhat changes when demands feel threatening (PDA), even when your intentions are goodThe simplest shift you can make today: replacing “What’s your goal?” with “What feels important right now?”You’ll leave with language you can use immediately—especially if you work with teens, adults, or verbal kids who want change… just not at the cost of feeling controlled.🎧 Listen now, and tell me: what neurodivergent profile do you work with most?Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    Why People Don’t Change—Even When the Help Is “Good” with Dr. Paul Gavoni

    Most professionals don’t struggle because they don’t care.They struggle because the people they’re trying to help… don’t see what’s in it for them.In this episode of MI for Change, I had the pleasure to sit down with Dr. Paulie to talk about why telling people what to do rarely leads to real change—even when the advice is solid and well-intentioned.Together, we explore:* Why “resistance” is often a signal—not a problem* How values drive behavior more than information ever will* What happens when professionals unintentionally impose their own values* Why consent, buy-in, and engagement are skills—not personality traits* How Motivational Interviewing helps people change without pressure or coercionThis conversation is for clinicians, educators, leaders, and helpers who’ve ever thought: “Why isn’t this working?”If you work with parents, staff, clients, or teams—and change feels harder than it should—this episode will help you see why.Learn More about Dr Paul Gavoni: https://thebehavioraltoolbox.com/Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    Trauma-Informed Care Isn’t What You Think — How MI Restores Choice, Voice, and Agency

     with clients.You’ll learn why trauma is fundamentally about loss of control, and how MI restores what trauma takes away: choice, voice, and agency — without removing accountability or direction.This episode breaks down:Why “trauma-informed” has become a buzzword (and how it’s often misunderstood)How MI prevents re-traumatization by supporting autonomyThe difference between trauma-informed care and permissive therapyWhy avoiding discomfort isn’t the same as providing safetyHow MI helps re-engage clients who feel “therapied out”How to balance compassion and movement in clinical conversationsWhether you’re a therapist, clinician, or someone who wants to communicate more ethically and effectively, this episode will help you rethink what trauma-informed care really looks like in action.Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    Giving Assessment Feedback Without Triggering Defensiveness (Using Motivational Interviewing)

    Giving assessment results to parents can be one of the most emotionally charged moments in clinical work.In this episode of MI for Change, Dr. Monica Gilbert explores how Motivational Interviewing (MI) can help clinicians deliver psychological and educational assessment feedback in a way that feels supportive, collaborative, and empowering—instead of overwhelming or defensive.You’ll learn why even technically accurate feedback can miss the mark emotionally, how fear and grief often show up as “defensiveness,” and what to say (and not say) when sharing difficult results like an autism diagnosis or learning challenges.Whether you’re a psychologist, behavior analyst, therapist, school professional, or parent-facing clinician, this episode will help you transform feedback sessions into conversations that foster understanding and forward movement.In This Episode, You’ll Learn:Why parents may shut down during assessment feedback—even when you’re “doing everything right”How MI helps reduce defensiveness and emotional overwhelmQuestions that invite collaboration instead of resistanceHow to evoke next steps without pressuring familiesWays to balance clinical clarity with empathy and partnership🎧 Listen now and learn how how you communicate results can change what happens next.Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    Beyond Basic Reflections — Advanced MI Skills That Create Movement

    Motivational Interviewing isn’t just about being warm, empathic, and reflective — it’s about being intentional.In this first episode of Season 2, Dr. Monica Gilbert takes you beyond the basics and into the advanced, often untaught skills of Motivational Interviewing. If you’ve ever felt like your sessions are respectful and supportive… but not actually moving clients toward change, this episode is for you.Dr. Gilbert breaks down the seven levels of reflections, showing how each level serves a different purpose — and how higher-level reflections can reduce resistance, evoke insight, and gently guide clients toward change without pressure or confrontation.In This Episode, You’ll Learn:Why MI without strategy can become “polite conversation” instead of change workThe 7 levels of reflections, from simple to advancedHow to move from surface-level reflections to meaning-based reflectionsHow double-sided reflections normalize ambivalence and create movementWhat strategic hypothesis testing reflections are — and how to use them ethicallyWhy tone and intention matter as much as the words you chooseHow MI is like learning a new language — and why practice + feedback are essential💬 “MI isn’t just about sounding empathic — it’s about being intentional with where the conversation is going.”💬 Join the Conversation: Which level of reflection do you find yourself using most often? Reply or comment — I’d love to hear what resonated with you.Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    The Meisner Technique & MI Reflections — How Actors Train Us to Listen

    In this episode of MI for Change, I share a surprising tool that can instantly sharpen your reflections and your ability to stay present with clients: the Meisner repetition exercise (a famous acting technique).Actors train for months to learn how to listen, respond, and stay emotionally present—so why do we assume these skills should “just come naturally” in therapy, supervision, or hard conversations?I break down how the Meisner technique parallels Motivational Interviewing—especially reflections—and how you can use this as a practical exercise with supervisees, clinicians, or even in your own daily communication.In this episode, you’ll learn:What the Meisner repetition exercise is (and how to run it as a training activity)Why reflections are not parroting content—but mirroring meaning and emotionHow to notice micro nonverbals (tone shifts, hesitation, body language) and reflect what’s “alive”How to stay with emotion (including tears) without rushing to “fix” itHow to make your reflections more human, more transformational, and less roboticIf reflections ever feel awkward, “therapisty,” or forced—this episode will give you a new way to practice that feels natural and effective.Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    Softening Sustain Talk & Cultivating Change Talk With Hillary Logan

    In this episode of MI for Change, I’m joined by Hillary Logan, LCSW, MINT-certified trainer and founder of MI Center for Change, for a deep, practical conversation about sustain talk—or as Hillary calls it, “stuck talk.”Together, we explore what sustain talk is really telling us about a client’s readiness, why it’s protective (not resistance), and how to soften sustain talk without amplifying it, while intentionally cultivating change talk.We talk about:Why sustain talk isn’t the problem—but how we respond to it can beHow softening sustain talk mirrors behavioral principles like differential reinforcementWhen reflecting sustain talk helps—and when it accidentally strengthens itWhy silence feels so uncomfortable (and how to use it skillfully)How provider mindset, tone, and curiosity shape client outcomesUsing the four processes of MI (engage, focus, evoke, plan) as an assessment tool when sessions feel “stuck”This episode is especially helpful for clinicians who feel confident with OARS, but struggle with the technical side of MI—how to move sessions forward without fixing, pushing, or arguing.🎧 Listen now and learn how to turn stuck moments into movement.Resources MentionedMI Center for Change: www.micenterforchange.comLearn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    Motivational Interviewing in ABA — An Objective Behavioral Definition + OARS as Verbal Operants

    In this episode of MI for Change, I’m sharing one of my favorite topics: how to translate Motivational Interviewing (MI) into ABA language—in a way that feels objective, teachable, and easier to apply in real sessions.I walk you through a foundational paper—“A Behavior Analytic Account of Motivational Interviewing” by Michael Doerr & Paulette Christopher—and use it to break down MI concepts like intrinsic motivation, ambivalence, discrepancy, the MI Spirit, OARS, change talk vs. sustain talk, and differential reinforcement through a behavioral lens.You’ll also hear the objective MI definition I constructed with input from behavior analysts:Motivational Interviewing is the intentional arrangement—through timing, tone, and type of verbal contingencies—designed to evoke, differentially reinforce, strengthen, and generalize change talk.If you’ve ever wondered how MI fits inside ABA (without losing the “spirit” of MI), this episode will help you connect the dots—and walk away with language you can use to train staff, teach interns, and strengthen parent coaching conversations.Resources Mentioned:A Behavior Analytic Account of Motivational Interviewing (Doerr & Christopher) — link in show notes/description (add your link)💬 Join the conversation: Reply/comment with your take: Which MI concept do you want me to translate into ABA next?Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    How to Start Using Motivational Interviewing (Even If You Feel Lost!)

    If you’re new to Motivational Interviewing — or you’ve been “sort of” using the skills but still feel unsure — this episode is for you. Today, I break down the exact starting point, the 3 essential habits every beginner should build, and how to know whether MI is actually working in session.I also share my brand-new definition of Motivational Interviewing (yes — the short, digestible version!) and answer some of the most common questions I’m asked inside trainings.💡 In This Episode, You’ll Learn:✅ The first MI skill you should use if you’re brand new ✅ How to integrate reflections without sounding robotic or scripted ✅ The three mindset shifts that immediately improve your MI conversations ✅ Why “intention” is the missing ingredient most practitioners overlook ✅ How to picture change talk vs. sustain talk using a simple thermometer metaphor ✅ The difference between supporting clients vs. pushing them ✅ How to know when clients aren’t “resistant”… they’re just not ready yet ✅ And what to do when YOU start feeling burnout or frustration🗣️ Favorite Quote From This Episode:“MI is the intentional arrangement of timing, tone, and verbal contingencies designed to evoke and strengthen change talk.”Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    How to Use OARS Across the Four Processes of MI

    Are your sessions starting to feel like you’re just chatting without real movement toward change?In this episode of MI for Change, Dr. Monica Gilbert breaks down how to combine the OARS skills (Open-ended questions, Affirmations, Reflections, Summaries) with the four processes of Motivational Interviewing (Engage, Focus, Evoke, Plan) — so your conversations feel purposeful, not random.Using a fun “building a closet” metaphor (yes, with almost-divorce-level assembly stress 😅), Monica shows you how OARS are your tools, and the four processes are your roadmap. When you put them together intentionally, you stop spinning in circles and start guiding clients toward meaningful, sustainable change.Whether you’re a BCBA, psychologist, therapist, counselor, or other helping professional, this episode will help you:💡 In This Episode, You’ll Learn:What OARS really are (from an MI and behavior-analytic lens)How to use OARS differently in each process:Engaging – using OARS to build trust and rapportFocusing – narrowing in on what actually matters (together)Evoking – drawing out the client’s own reasons for change (DARN CAT!)Planning – turning “why” into “how” with collaborative action stepsWhy empathy alone isn’t enough if there’s no movement toward changeHow to avoid getting stuck in endless venting or “nice” sessions with no directionA simple reflection prompt you can ask yourself before your next session:Which process is my client in right now? And which OARS skill fits best here?Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    The Curiosity Mind Hack — Reframing How You Enter Sessions

    What if one simple mindset shift could completely change the tone of your sessions?In this episode of MI for Change, Dr. Monica Gilbert shares a practical “mind hack” that can transform how you show up with clients, parents, and teams — especially when sessions feel repetitive or resistant.Fresh from her experience at the MINT (Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers) conference, Monica reflects on what it really means to be someone worth talking to — and how approaching sessions with curiosity and a blank-slate mindset can foster empathy, trust, and genuine collaboration.💡 In This Episode, You’ll Learn:✅ Why your mindset before a session shapes the outcome more than you think ✅ How to use curiosity as a clinical tool to uncover what’s really behind resistance ✅ The importance of starting fresh with each client — the “blank slate” approach ✅ How to “hack your brain” to stay open and calm, even during tough sessions ✅ Practical language shifts to build buy-in and connection instantly ✅ A powerful quote by Helen Mentha that redefines how we show up for our clients“Before you enter that room, remind yourself: Today, I’m going in with curiosity.”🧠 Quote of the Week“Be somewhat good to talk to. If you offer appointments, be someone worth going to see. If you do home visits, be someone you’d want to let in your house. If you see mandated clients, be a relief.” — Helen MenthaLearn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    Coaching Supervisees with MI — Beyond the Sandwich Method

    How do you give feedback that lands—without power struggles or performative praise? In this episode of MI for Change, Dr. Monica Gilbert shows how to use Motivational Interviewing (MI) to coach interns and supervisees more effectively (and humanely).You’ll learn:Why the “sandwich method” fails (predictable, inauthentic, and forgettable)The PACE spirit of MI in supervision: Partnership, Acceptance (autonomy), Compassion, EvocationA step-by-step feedback flow using Ask–Offer–Ask (AOA) (ask for perspective → offer observations with permission → ask what landed & next steps)How to evoke supervisee-generated solutions (and real buy-in)Authenticity in practice (including Monica’s mailbox story—and why being human builds trust)Perfect for BCBAs, supervisors, fieldwork coordinators, and clinical leads across ABA and mental health.Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    Motivational Interviewing in Action: 16 Case Scenarios for ABA & Mental Health

    How do you respond when a parent says, “We’ve tried that—it never works”? What about a supervisee who insists, “I already tried it,” or an intern who nods “got it” but never changes? In this MI for Change episode, Dr. Monica Gilbert walks through 16 real case scenarios across parents, supervisees, teams, and teens—and models Motivational Interviewing (MI) responses you can use today.Scenarios covered (with sample MI moves):Resistant parent — reflect discouragement + evoke previous effortsHopeless parent — validate fatigue, search for the spark that keeps them showing upOverwhelmed parent — shrink scope to one small win this weekOver-involved dad — affirm intention; perspective-take: “How do you think he feels…?”“School is the problem” — agree with a twist; share what works at homeMinimizing parent (“he’ll grow out of it”) — future focus + miracle questionFearful parent — validate anxiety; explore values in tough momentsDefensive couple — reflect shared goals; get one agreement this weekDefensive supervisee — affirm intent; invite self-reflectionPassive supervisee — support autonomy; evoke their voiceOverconfident supervisee (“I already do MI”) — move to discovery with open questionsBurned-out BCBA — reconnect to meaning and valuesResistant team member — roll with resistance; try a low-risk experimentEager-to-please intern — affirm honesty; co-design safe practiceConflict-avoidant supervisor — surface future costs of silenceAmbivalent teen (vaping) — double-sided reflection to open change talkYou’ll hear: OARS in the wild, double-sided reflections, affirmations that land, “agreeing with a twist,” Ask–Offer–Ask, evocation, and autonomy-supportive language—applied to the situations you face every week.Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    MI Mailbag — Reflections, Follow-Through, Burnout & “No Time” Objections

    Ever worry your reflections sound “therapist-y”? Struggle when parents say they don’t have time? Wonder how to prevent burnout, improve follow-through, or use MI with supervisees who insist “I tried that—it doesn’t work”?In this MI for Change Q&A episode, Dr. Monica Gilbert answers the most common questions she gets at conferences, webinars, and supervision sessions. You’ll hear practical, real-world strategies for applying Motivational Interviewing (MI) across ABA and mental health settings—parent coaching, clinical work, and supervision.You’ll learn how to:Use reflections without sounding repetitive (and let them land)Respond when parents say “I don’t have time” (add value + restore autonomy)Avoid sounding fake while still using MI skills authenticallyIncrease follow-through when clients/parents agree but don’t actNavigate supervisees who say “I tried it, it didn’t work” (evoke solutions)Access empathy when you’re frustrated or burned out (and when to pause)Use MI when parents are in denial about a diagnosis (plant seeds, pace)Know if you’re enabling vs. facilitating change (track change talk)Decide when to pause or end services (align with the Stages of Change)Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    Collaborating with Teachers Using Motivational Interviewing

    Working with schools can be one of the most rewarding — and most challenging — parts of our job. 🍎 In this episode of MI for Change, Dr. Monica Gilbert explores how to use Motivational Interviewing (MI) strategies to improve collaboration and communication with teachers, paraprofessionals, and school teams.So often, behavior analysts or therapists walk into a classroom eager to help, only to be met with resistance — a look, a shrug, or a polite “we’ve tried that before.” But with the right MI tools, those moments can turn into genuine partnerships.💡 In This Episode, You’ll Learn: ✅ How to build rapport and trust with teachers from the very first interaction ✅ The power of open-ended questions in understanding classroom challenges ✅ Why reflections and affirmations can turn resistance into collaboration ✅ How to align goals between teachers and therapists for more consistent outcomes ✅ Real-life examples of “evoking” solutions instead of prescribing them💬 “If the teacher is on your same page, the outcome for the client is always stronger.”💬 Join the Conversation: How do you build trust and collaboration with teachers or school staff? Reply or comment with one strategy that’s worked for you — I’d love to hear your story!Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    Motivational Interviewing with Supervisees and Interns

    Supervision doesn’t have to feel like pulling teeth. 🦷 In this episode of MI for Change, Dr. Monica Gilbert explores how Motivational Interviewing (MI) can transform the way we communicate with supervisees and interns — turning resistance into reflection and compliance into collaboration.If you’ve ever felt frustrated when supervisees don’t take data, follow through on feedback, or seem disengaged, this episode is for you. Through real-world examples and practical strategies, Monica shares how to replace the “fixing reflex” with curiosity, empathy, and partnership.💡 In This Episode, You’ll Learn: ✅ How to use MI principles (open-ended questions, affirmations, reflections, and summaries) in supervision ✅ How to apply the Ask–Offer–Ask (AOA) approach when giving feedback ✅ Ways to build trust and rapport with new therapists and interns ✅ Why autonomy and collaboration matter more than control ✅ How curiosity can replace correction — and lead to real growth💬 “If we don’t have rapport, we have nothing.”Learn more about MI tools and supervision strategies at www.drmonicagilbert.com ✨ Use code CHANGE15 for 15% off any on-demand course through MI Academy💬 Join the Conversation: How do you foster collaboration and autonomy in your supervision sessions? Reply or share your thoughts in the comments — I’d love to hear what’s worked for you!Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    The Pink Elephant in the Room — Having Hard Conversations with Clients

    Have you ever avoided a difficult conversation with a client or parent because it felt too uncomfortable? You’re not alone. In this episode of MI for Change, Dr. Monica Gilbert explores the “pink elephant in the room” — those unspoken issues that fill our emotional cup until it overflows.Through a simple (and slightly wet!) metaphor, Monica illustrates how avoidance can build frustration and burnout — and how Motivational Interviewing (MI) gives us the tools to face those moments with courage and empathy.You’ll learn: ✅ How to recognize when your “cup” is getting full and what to do before burnout hits ✅ Ways to address uncomfortable issues with clients using reflections, affirmations, and open-ended questions ✅ How to reframe confrontation as collaboration ✅ Real-life examples of boundary setting and repair from the field💬 “When clients push back or avoid, that’s not rejection — it’s an invitation to communicate.”If you’ve ever dreaded a hard conversation, this episode will help you build confidence, compassion, and connection — one reflection at a time.💬 Join the Conversation: What’s one tough conversation you’ve been avoiding — and what MI skill could help you approach it differently? Reply or share your reflections in the comments!Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    Collaborative Goal Setting with Clients — What Research Tells Us

    Have you ever felt like you’re doing all the work when it comes to setting therapy goals? You define the objectives, outline the plan, and your client (or parent) simply nods along. But what if you could create goals with them — not for them?In this episode of MI for Change, Dr. Monica Gilbert explores how collaborative goal setting can transform engagement and outcomes in your sessions. Drawing from a fascinating single-case study by Kusheria et al., she breaks down how speech-language pathologists improved client-centered practice using Motivational Interviewing (MI) techniques and the Electronic Goal Attainment Scaling (EGAS) tool.You’ll learn: ✅ How collaborative goal setting boosts buy-in and follow-through ✅ The impact of using OARS skills (open questions, affirmations, reflections, summaries) during goal setting ✅ What the research reveals about training, fidelity, and engagement ✅ Practical questions you can use to involve clients or parents in defining their own goals💬 “Better engagement leads to better follow-through.” When clients take ownership of their goals, change becomes not only possible — it becomes sustainable.Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    The 8 Things NOT to Do in Client Conversations

    What if the biggest barriers in your sessions aren’t your clients—but your communication habits? In this episode of MI for Change, Dr. Monica Gilbert breaks down the eight most common mistakes therapists and clinicians make when talking with clients—from over-advising too early to ignoring ambivalence or skipping rapport.You’ll learn why these pitfalls create resistance, what to do instead, and how small shifts can completely transform the way clients respond.Whether you’re a behavior analyst, mental health professional, or simply passionate about better conversations, this episode will give you practical strategies to avoid burnout and build stronger client partnerships.Tune in to learn:Why skipping engagement sabotages interventionsHow to name the “pink elephant in the room” without losing rapportWhat to say instead of arguing for changeThe #1 way to respect client autonomy and reduce resistance🎧 Listen now and discover what NOT to do—so your conversations can spark real change.Subscribe for upcoming episodes where we apply these moves to common ABA and mental health scenarios.Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    Stages of Change: Using the Transtheoretical Model Inside MI Sessions

    In this episode of MI for Change, we unpack the Transtheoretical Model of Change (Prochaska & DiClemente) and show how it fits seamlessly with Motivational Interviewing—so you can meet clients (and parents) exactly where they are and move conversations forward without pushback.You’ll learn how to recognize and respond to each stage:Pre-contemplation → plant seeds without pushing: use amplified reflections, rolling with resistance, and querying extremes.Contemplation → honor ambivalence: use double-sided reflections, reframing, and agreeing with a twist to tip toward change.Preparation → clarify goals and choose a path: offer a menu of options, set expectations, and co-design first steps.Action → support doing: reinforce, affirm, and troubleshoot roadblocks as behaviors start to shift.Maintenance → sustain gains: fade supports, generalize skills, and build relapse prevention plans for real-life stressors.Relapse → normalize and re-enter: treat setbacks as U-turns, extract learning, and re-engage the cycle without shame.You’ll hear practical language for each stage (from parent coaching to school teams and substance use), plus why pushing before readiness = more sustain talk—and how pacing your MI skills reduces clinician burnout.Subscribe for upcoming episodes where we apply these moves to common ABA and mental health scenarios.Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    The Four Processes of MI: Engaging, Focusing, Evoking, and Planning

    In this episode of MI for Change, we break down the four processes of Motivational Interviewing (MI)—a simple framework that helps structure your client and parent coaching sessions without making them feel rigid or forced.You’ll learn how to:Engage: build trust, rapport, and genuine curiosity with clients and parents.Focus: narrow down goals and use mapping to stay on track while remaining flexible.Evoke: elicit motivation and solutions from clients (instead of doing all the work yourself).Plan: move from talk to action with small, realistic steps that create momentum.Dr. Monica Gilbert shares practical examples—like scaling questions, agenda mapping, and double-sided reflections—that you can use right away to strengthen conversations, reduce resistance, and avoid burnout.By the end of this episode, you’ll see how these four processes create a natural flow that feels like a dance, not an arm wrestle—so your sessions are more collaborative, structured, and effective.Subscribe now so you don’t miss upcoming episodes where we’ll dive deeper into applying MI across real-world ABA and mental health practice.Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    Change Talk vs. Sustain Talk: How to Evoke Motivation with DARNCAT

    In this episode of MI for Change, we zero in on the core aim of Motivational Interviewing: eliciting change talk—and distinguishing it from sustain talk (arguments for the status quo).You’ll learn:What counts as change talk (vocalizations toward change) vs. sustain talk (arguments against change).How to categorize change talk with DARNCAT:Desire • Ability • Reason • Need • Commitment • Action • Taking Steps.A practical differential attention approach: reinforce change talk, acknowledge sustain talk without overfeeding it.A scaling exercise (1–10) that shows how one question can evoke sustain talk—and a better question can unlock change talk.Simple ways to measure progress (record, tally change vs. sustain talk as baseline and after 4 weeks).Monica shares real-world phrasing you can steal for sessions with parents, clients, and supervisees, plus a quick template for turning “Why not higher?” / “Why not lower?” into a reliable catalyst for motivation.Subscribe for upcoming episodes on softening sustain talk and shaping conversations that lead to action.Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

  33. 5

    OARS + I in Action: Questions, Reflections, and Advice the MI Way

    In this episode of MI for Change, we open the toolbox and put OARS + I to work—the foundational skills of Motivational Interviewing you can use in sessions today.You’ll learn how to:O – Open-ended questions: move beyond “How are you?” to prompts that invite real dialogue (and when to use fewer with tangent-prone clients).A – Affirmations: spot and name authentic strengths without sounding generic—so buy-in grows naturally.R – Reflections: from simple to double-sided and amplified, reflect meaning (not just words) to surface ambivalence and elicit change talk.S – Summaries: tie threads together, redirect respectfully, and set the next-step agenda.+ I – Information & Advice (AOA): Ask–Offer–Ask to share concerns and guidance with permission—reducing resistance while respecting autonomy.Real-world stories include parent coaching and classroom scenarios, plus a memorable reflection mishap (tapas vs. topless 😅) that shows why clarifying matters. You’ll hear how these skills turn power struggles into collaboration—and why this MI approach lightens clinician burnout by shifting the responsibility for change back to the client.Subscribe for upcoming deep dives into the Four Processes and skillful wording you can copy into practice.Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    The Spirit & Science of Motivational Interviewing: PACE, Autonomy & Avoiding the Fixing Reflex

    In this episode of MI for Change, we dive into the heart of Motivational Interviewing — the spirit and science behind the approach that transforms how we communicate in ABA and mental health.You’ll learn how to ground your practice in PACE: ✨ Partnership — creating alignment with clients and families. ✨ Autonomy — respecting client choice to reduce resistance. ✨ Compassion — approaching every conversation with curiosity. ✨ Evocation — drawing out solutions instead of prescribing them.We’ll also explore:Why ethics are at the center of MI.How to avoid the “fixing reflex” that increases client pushback.Real-world examples of MI in parent training and classroom settings.Why honoring autonomy and evoking solutions leads to stronger buy-in.If you’ve ever wondered how to use MI without falling into advice-giving or power struggles, this episode will give you both the framework and practical tools to start right away.💡 Subscribe now so you don’t miss future episodes — including upcoming deep dives into the ORS skills and other MI techniques.Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    Less Resistance, More Buy-In: How Motivational Interviewing Transforms Client Conversations

    Welcome to the very first episode of MI for Change!In this episode, I’m sharing the story of how I discovered Motivational Interviewing during my doctoral training, how it completely changed the way I worked with clients in substance use treatment, and why I knew it had to become part of behavior analysis and mental health practice.You’ll hear how simple MI techniques transformed client attendance, strengthened rapport, and reduced resistance — not only in addiction work, but also in parent coaching, supervision, and ABA sessions.We’ll also talk about: ✨ Why traditional approaches can unintentionally increase resistance. ✨ How embedding MI into parent training sessions builds more buy-in. ✨ Why communication style matters just as much as treatment plans. ✨ How MI can reduce burnout for therapists and supervisors.This episode sets the stage for what’s to come: real stories, practical techniques, and honest conversations about using MI to create meaningful change in ABA and mental health.If you enjoy this first episode, please hit subscribe, share it with a colleague, and stay tuned for more strategies you can start applying right away.Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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    MI for Change: Motivational Interviewing in ABA & Mental Health

    Are you looking for less resistance, more buy-in, and stronger connections with your clients?MI for Change is the podcast dedicated to exploring Motivational Interviewing (MI) in behavior analysis and mental health. Hosted by Dr. Monica Gilbert, a Board Certified Behavior Analyst and Licensed Psychologist, this show helps professionals transform client conversations — one question at a time.Each episode delivers: ✨ Practical MI strategies you can apply immediately in sessions ✨ Real case examples that bring concepts to life ✨ Inspiring interviews with experts across ABA and mental healthWhether you’re an ABA practitioner, therapist, counselor, or student, you’ll discover how simple shifts in communication can reduce resistance, strengthen rapport, and spark lasting change.Because parent coaching and client conversations don’t have to feel like a struggle — they can be the spark that makes transformation possible.Subscribe today and join the journey to becoming a more effective, confident, and client-centered communicator.This is MI for Change.Learn more about Motivational Interviewing and explore on-demand courses at www.drmonicagilbert.comJoin the MI Academy for practical training and resources — and enjoy an exclusive 15% off with code MIFORCHANGE at checkout.📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @drmonicagilbert

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MI for Change is the podcast dedicated to exploring Motivational Interviewing (MI) in behavior analysis and mental health. Hosted by Dr. Monica Gilbert, a Board Certified Behavior Analyst and Licensed Psychologist, this show helps professionals transform client conversations — one question at a time.Each episode delivers: ✨ Practical MI strategies you can apply immediately in sessions ✨ Real case examples that bring concepts to life ✨ Inspiring interviews with experts across ABA and mental healthWhether you’re an ABA practitioner, therapist, counselor, or student, you’ll discover how simple shifts in communication can reduce resistance, strengthen rapport, and spark lasting change.Because parent coaching and client conversations don’t have to feel like a struggle — they can be the spark that makes transformation possible.Subscribe today and join the journey to becom

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