Aileen Wuornos

Share needles. It's like practically recycling. That's my advice. Oh, no way. Oh, my God. All right. Well, shit. With that, welcome, everybody, to episode 114 of One Million of the Serial Chillers podcast. As always, I ask, how goes it? Hello, Greg. Oh, I'm fine, dude. I'm having a good time. Yeah. My cheeks are sore. We've been smiling a little bit here. I like that. It's a good start. We're all having a good time. Yeah. Briefly, I'll tell you guys that I'm here with Kim and Monique, and we'll get...

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Sweet theme song normally plays here, but we got the problem, so you'll just have to imagine it. Gremlins. Hey, listen. There's something in the computer. Some thing. It's in the computer? Okay. Today's killer. Tell me, have you guys heard of Eileen Wuornos?

Negative. Serial killer. Lady serial killer. Hey, listen, that's the thing about serial killers is, you know, sometimes we bring in people that aren't like huge fans of true crime. That's true. That's true. I forget that. And we like, and we know we'll have fun and having, I mean, I don't know you, but Kim vouch for you, so you better be good. That's true. That's true. You suck. You're not welcome back. But, you know, so some people come and they're like, you know, I always think back to like when we, Dustin landed on the Ed Gein episode and I was like, what, what year is he born? He's like, 1942. And he ended up losing the episode, but he knew a lot about it. And, you know, sometimes we have people that are like, I have no idea. She's probably the most famous female serial killer.

Really? Of all time. I've never heard of it. She had a monster. She had a movie written about her called Monster. Not written about her. It was based on her. And it was Charlize Theron and Christina Ricci playing she and her partner. I think I've heard of it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's like any movie. It's not quite them. And also, she doesn't look like Charlize Theron. And I promise you, Tyra Moore does not look like Christina Ricci. Right, but if I remember right, that was a big deal for Charlize Theron. I think she won an Oscar. Yeah, is that an Academy Award? Yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah. She got some award for that movie, I think. Because it was such like a... You'll see when we get into the story, but...

Monster's a fitting title. But she, I mean, you know. I will go on record saying that Eileen is probably one of the only serial killers I've ever covered. Like I said, you know, we've done like three times now that I feel bad for at the end. Yeah. Oh, shit. One of the only ones. Like, probably the only one. I'm usually pretty hard on them. Like, kill people. Like, I don't fucking care. Like, we've even had people be like, oh, you know, these killers aren't the worst thing they've ever done. You know, some of them have redeemed themselves in prison. We're like, no, fuck you. Like, sorry, they're not. Tell them their fuckface. When they can reset everything back to before they killed somebody, then yes. You know the lives they took?

Put them back. Yeah. All right. Thank you. Oh, you can't? Fuck face. But I will, again, go on record as saying Eileen is one that I'm like, well. She did kind of, she got a raw deal. She did not. She made decisions in her life that led to the ends of lives. But she, again, yeah. She got a raw deal. Got a raw deal. Are you excited to learn more about her now? I'm so excited. Good. We'll be right back after these commercials. You're going to need these to write your answers on. Question number one. In what year was Eileen Wuornos born? I know. You don't have any clues. That's the great part about it. Are we writing her? Yeah, yeah. Write it down. That way there's no one's. Just full on guessing. Yep. Yep. Absolutely.

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Kim says. No, it's not. Nobody call it. 1963. 1963, Monique said. 1982. 1982. Eileen Wuornos was born February 29th, 1956. Give Kim 250 points. Because that's the way we're doing it. Now, what we do is Jeopardy style. I know. Welcome, my sister Kim. And my new friend, Monique. Welcome to the show, guys. Great to be here. Thank you. Yes, absolutely. Introduce Mo. Yeah. Memosyne here. She's a dog.

She's been in the show before. Yeah, she's been around. I don't know if I've ever introduced her, but you guys seen her floating around. That's Moe. If you're listening, that was her collar. I swear there's a dog here. She doesn't say much unless you walk into a room she's in. Well, welcome, guys. Thanks for being here. Some points have already been scored. Congratulations. There are 14 questions. Money takes up plenty of time. Hang in there. If you tie.

There's an artistic challenge. Oh, okay. It doesn't really require you being good at being artistic because as Greg always says, he's the judge and you're going to want to pander to your judge. So that's the real way to win. Superior drawings have fallen. Or we used to have clay. Superior sculptures. I did the clay one before. Now that we're like here in person with video, I might expand it to like charades. Oh, okay. Greg will decide on a... I think he's had people write jingles. I did. I had somebody make a commercial. Yeah, that's what it was. A commercial. Produce a commercial, I feel like. I don't know. Anyway. Long way to go. Hope you don't tie. Here's something.

Okay, so welcome, guys. Thank you again. Let me give you some reference works for this. I used the documentary Selling of a Serial Killer, which is from 1993. The other one is called Eileen Wuornos, Life and Death of a Serial Killer by the same director 10 years later while she's in prison. Both of those were directed by Nick Broomfield. Lethal Intent is a book by Sue Russell. Time.

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Jesus. I know. Also, if you want to mail us any cool drugs or anything, P.O. Box 1229, Clovis, California, 93613. If they're dangerous drugs, just attention, hella Greg on those. Again, SerialChillerPod.com for everything. Give it to the Patreon, you fuckers. And thanks to all those who already have. Born February 29th, 1956 as Eileen Carol Pittman in Rochester, Michigan. She was born as a Frank Breach Baby. Are you guys familiar with that term? I was not until this. Okay, so a Breach Baby comes out feet first. A Frank Breach Baby comes out butt first, but folded.

Interesting. Yeah, it's like the most dangerous way a live birth can take place for a child through the birth canal. I feel like gunpoint is the most dangerous way. Well, I guess there's not enough data for the statistics to really show. How could it even get that so that... Whoa, buddy, listen. That's a lot. I've been there and seen it. You can get anything through gunpoint. It's wild. So her mother, Diane, would be one of the largest piece of shit moms we've ever had on the show. Didn't give her much of a chance to become great either. Okay, like I said before we started, I don't know if Greg edited it out, but I'm going to put it on record here again.

Only serial killer I feel bad for. Did horrible shit. But also had horrible shit done to her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Real horrible shit. Eileen is 16 years old. Sorry, no. Skip a whole little paragraph there, didn't I? Skip a few years there, pal. Although she may not have had much of a chance herself because she was giving birth to Eileen as she was 16 years old and she was married at 20. So her mom also didn't really.

Didn't really work out for them. They had been married since her mother was 14, and she filed for divorce only by a few weeks after Eileen's birth. So she gives birth to Eileen. She's been married since she was 14. She got pregnant for the first time at 16. She's now 20. Gives birth to Eileen. Gets divorced. Real busy time in her life right now. Those late teenage years are tough. Really emotionally tough. Although her time with Diane was brief, she would spend zero time with her father because he was in jail at the time of her birth. It would later come out that Leo Pittman, her father, was a schizophrenic, but this would not be an excuse for the fact that he was incarcerated for and later charged with in kidnapping and sodomizing a seven-year-old girl.

These are the role models. If you are a person who believes in nature over nurture, even if she were adopted, the genetics don't feel great here. Not a good chance. Yeah, but she does. She's spending some time with these people, too. He would never be a part of Eileen's life, though, so that's probably just for the better. She just has his genes in there. 1960, January, Eileen is almost four years old, and Diane decided to give up her children. She's like, you know what? Can't fucking do it anymore. Four years old, this is the time that I understand. Yeah, it gets tough then.

I never thought about giving them up, though. You get to do that? Never? Not even once? I mean, like, leaving for a while, maybe. You've never given them up. Going to get smoked. You don't even smoke. Shh. I do now. Close the door. Eileen and her brother would be left in the care for mom's grandparents, and unfortunately, they were not good people at all, either. Perfect alcoholics who only really focused on getting their next drink. Despite that, they did try for Eileen and her brother, officially legally adopting them in the March of 1960. When you say...

only focused on getting their next drink. In my head, what I see is two just like severely alcoholic geriatric people walking down the street like the witches from Hocus Pocus. Like looking for booze. I think you're not that far off. That's close. That's in the neighborhood. Yeah, I think that they may have worked, but that was the idea. That was the only reason they worked. So you work for booze. You get fucked up. You have a job that's like... You work for booze money and pay bills with the change. If there's anybody, you don't need the lights to drink. You know what I'm saying? Playing a game called Drink in the Dark.

How do you play? Well, you let your power bill get shut off, and you get hammered. And you just, oh, yeah, by the way, I'm raising my grandchildren, so, you know. Just ignore them. I do. Okay, but they were officially adopted. Eileen would take a turn for the worse around this time, become very infamous in the neighborhood because kids, with the neighborhood kids, because she was known to perform sexual acts to get the things that she wanted. She's like seven.

She performed these acts on neighborhood boys and teenagers for things like cigarettes, drugs, and food. According to Eileen herself, at some points, she would engage in sex with her brother, Keith, as well as kids from the neighborhood. There were also many claims that Eileen's adoptive grandfather had sexually assaulted and beaten her. She claimed that every time she was beaten by her grandfather, he would also make her strip down into nothing so that he could beat her while she was naked. So she was living through an abusive existence and not coping in any way that is positive. Like, she was coping with what was happening at home by, like, going out and, like...

having sex and touching the wieners of, you know, 12-year-olds in the neighborhood. Remember when I was like, I gotta feel bad. I'm like, she didn't really have a chance. Like, guess why? She didn't have a chance. Yeah, that's pretty bad.

In 1970, Eileen turns 14, and besides a birthday, she also discovers that she is pregnant by her rapist. The father and the rapist is a friend of her grandfather's who would have said was encouraged to take full advantage of Eileen while he could. Essentially, he was like, oh, you better have sex with her now before you can get her pregnant. And, you know, she got pregnant. I just fucking hate that guy, man. I hate both of them. You're going to hate lots of people by the end of this. Make a list. Write it down. I'm not allowed to make lists anymore.

government for amazing. Eileen would give birth to the child, a boy, in a home for unwed mothers. It was immediately placed in the adoption system and probably for the better. Life would become an Eileen even quicker than before. No, you said no lists. Even quicker than we would anticipate from here on out. Just a few months after having the baby, she would quit school and continue her act of sexual favors to get her ahead in the world. And so we're like 14 years old. She's like, oh, you know what? I don't need this school bullshit.

Around the time of her child's birth and surrender, her grandmother would also pass away from liver failure. Yeah, so I guess, yeah, let that be a lesson to you kids. If you're a hardcore alcoholic, liver failure is, you know. It's an option. Yeah, it's definitely one of them. So at this time, Eileen is around 15 years old. She has just lost the woman who has raised her. Like despite being a piece of shit alcoholic, she just kept her alive. She put a roof over her head. She had food in her mouth occasionally. So like the one person she did kind of connect with in the world, like maybe trust a tiny bit, despite the fact that she shouldn't have it all, is now dead. So she's going to probably take that pretty hard. Question number two. Sorry, hold on.

So at this time, Eileen is around 15 years old, and she's just lost the woman she is loved and raised by, and she has a great ally left in the world. Question number two. What was her grandpa's reaction to all of this? Is it A, he began to bond with Eileen Moore, realizing the error in his ways. He kicked Eileen the fuck out. He moved off to Florida and left Eileen behind, or he killed himself. I know which one I want it to be. Right. A, he began to bond with Eileen Moore. B, he kicked Eileen the fuck out. C, he moved off to Florida and left Eileen behind, or D, he killed himself. It's never the thing you want it to be. It never is. Is it? Well, I don't know. It depends on what you want it to be, I guess.

Beau, do you have an answer? I like your optimism, Kim. Monique says, B kicked the fuck out. Kim says, he began to bond finally more, realizing there were other ways. That's so wrong, it's not funny. At this time, her grandfather tells her that she's no longer welcome in her home. 250 points for Monique. See, there you go. You're on the board. Boom. Shut out no longer. Again, I do appreciate your optimism. Well, that wasn't optimistic. I just thought she was going to get extra fucked up by bonding with him more. Oh, I see, I see. No, no, no. He was just like, oh, you don't live here anymore.

Goodbye. So at this point, Eileen would become a full-time sex worker and live in the Michigan woods near her home. I don't know if you guys know anything about Michigan. I forgot about that. And the weather there. It's pretty cold. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're not like nice winters at all. A little freezing, a little snow. If you didn't know that, no, you do. There was a group of other sex workers that Eileen kind of fell in with, and one was a man who showed Eileen how to build an effective shelter for living outdoors in the Midwest. They would take like...

This Michigan forest they lived in always nearby. They were like lumberjacks working. And when the lumber companies take the trees, they take the tree and then they lop off the top and they rip out the stump. And the stumps they just leave around. And so Eileen and these other sex workers would take these stumps and like stack them up and stuff all the cracks with mud and grass. And they would live inside like a little stump cave. And so that was their homes in the Michigan winters. And some of them like were legit. Like they have a little fire that had a chimney pipe that came out. I mean, it sounds dope as hell. I was going to say, it sounds dope as hell if you're like.

An 11-year-old boy. Right. I used to have some pretty dope forts out in fields, and it sounds very similar. Yeah, I was going to say, make some cool forts or something. It sounds a little more official than anything I built, but that's fucking wild to me. Pretty much like The Hobbits of Michigan, but I like the tree with a happy ending. Oh, yes. It sounds fun to go sit in and read Playboys or something, and maybe smoke pot for the first time. I was going to say, have a spirit trip or something. Yeah. It doesn't sound like something I want to be fished in the forest.

Go Wolverines! That sounds awful. Yeah, it does. That's why no one does it. What, I was going to the Michigan forest? Actually, I shouldn't say that. Who knows what's going on out there? So, she did find a way to survive out there, obviously. And the best part about it was from the outside of their homes, besides the ones with cherry pipes. They just looked like a pile of stumps. So, no one would really come out fucking with them because they're just like, well, what do I want to do with a pile of stumps? But, Eileen?

Oh, sweet home. She would take advantage of the use of showers and bathrooms at the hotel rooms and homes for John's. Like, she didn't take people back to her stump house to hook up. It was always like, oh, you got to get a hotel room or you got to have a place, you know. Or I guess your car's fine. It's fine. You have a shower in your car? Classy, classy. Because I really need it. Now I'm super suspicious of anybody who drives an RV.

I got a shower and a room. You want some scrambled eggs? They're powdered, just so you know. That refrigerator's on the fritz. This is all according to family friend who said that Eileen had no shortage of men paying to have sex with her. So there was plenty of nights that she didn't have to sleep outside, but there were just as many, if not more, where she did. It's a tough life to imagine. The only way out of your tree stump fort in the dead of winter is to fuck dudes for money and take showers in hotel rooms. It's...

Or RVs. Yeah, Greg's really, he feels really strong about the RV idea. I like your conviction. You're like, oh, how much one is? You can use the bathroom if you want, but number one's only. So by 1972, Eileen has decided she doesn't want to live in the cold Michigan woods any longer. She doesn't want to live in a stump house in the forest. I mean, I do, but it is cold. It's a nice stump house. Trust me, I've decorated it inside. Did you see my wallpaper? Plastic Walmart bags. Yert, sweet yert. So she takes up her small collections of belongings and begins to hitchhike west.

She makes it as far as Colorado before she is arrested for her very first time. The story itself isn't clear, but what we do know is that she was arrested for a DUI, disorderly conduct, and a... She was arrested for a DUI, disorderly conduct, and firing a .22 caliber pistol out of a moving vehicle. She's just having a fucking good old time, is what it sounds like to me, baby. She was released on her own recognizance and given a court date.

She'll later be charged with failure to appear, but as some of us know, it's going to be not really the biggest worry we're going to have about Eileen later on. She decided heading west maybe is not the move for her. She hasn't even got over the Rockies yet, you know what I'm saying? So instead, she changes course and heads towards America's weighing, Flo Rida. In 1976, she was... I like that I can visually see you get that. In 1976, she was 20 years old and making her way through Florida when she met and fell in love with a man named Louis Gratzfeldt.

Louis was a yacht club president and overall successful man with a good background of finances. Although unorthodox, this relationship was something that could have altered the life of Eileen forever. They were engaged to be married with announcements going to the local newspaper and things were seemingly looking up. This dude was like 64. Oh, good. That makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 20, 64, like what? Those are practically the same generation if you seem to. Hey, man. Hey, man. Dave's not here, man. What was the age difference between Anna Nicole Smith and her husband? Oh, yeah, it was like 60 years, bro. So, I'm just saying, that...

She if under different circumstances, you know, she died of a broken heart a few years later So I'm just saying under different circumstances Eileen Wuornos could have been Anna Nicole Smith But like a couple of things happened Yeah, I saw her filming her reality show at Six Flags Eileen Wuornos. Yeah So let's see so I mean look at this point literally like the newspaper has Hey, look, it's Louis Gratzfeld and this is totally not a hooker from Michigan. Guys ever see a stump house?

I show you how to make one after the honeymoon, fuckers. Your grandkids are going to love this. So, however, several incidents at a local dive bar surrounding Eileen were all happening leading up to the wedding. At one point, she'd be put in jail over an assault that took place. The fucking way you said that. Several incidents at a local dive bar surrounding Eileen. Hey, listen. Innocent until proven guilty, Greg. That's fine. At one point, she'd be put in jail over an assault that took place in this dive bar. Despite all this, the two were married and lived happily ever after.

Just kidding. Within only a few weeks, they did get married. That's the true part. The happily ever after part isn't. He was like, I can look past his salts because I don't know why, what he was thinking, honestly. But hey, you know.

She's passionate. I like that. Within only a few weeks, Lewis would be filing for a restraining order against Eileen and attempting to have his marriage an old. Why? Because despite her utter insanity at times, she was also physically abusing Lewis, including beating him with his own cane. So after this failed Florida situation, she would return to Michigan with her tail between her legs. She was fucking married to a rich dude who was probably going to die soon, and she just couldn't help but get into some tussles at the local dive bar. She fumbled the bag. You ought to secure the bag, baby, and then beat him with his own cane?

That's just insult to injury. That's like mugging somebody when they have a gun. I mean, she was a yacht club, wasn't it? Couldn't she just go live on the yacht if she didn't really like, you know, she's like, ah, we're married, but like, ah, I like the flow of the water. She could have, but she couldn't spell or pronounce it, so nobody knew what she was talking about. I'm looking for my husband, Yatch.

Is that a name? In July of 1976, she was arrested in Michigan at a club in Mancelona. She was charged with assault and disturbing the peace. I wrote disturbing the peach. Disturbing the peace due to throwing a cue ball at a bartender's head. Did she hit him? I mean, she got the assault charge, so I have to imagine. I think if you're close enough where people know what you were throwing at, I think that counts. And Eileen, I don't know if we can pull up the picture again. We only have one little small picture of her. She was like...

She was wiry like I feel like Eileen Wuornos would be the shit out of any of us like you get us in our prime and Eileen in our prime I feel like I feel like she was probably kicking our fucking asses like not only not only that Not only that but it's gonna be like the weirdest fight you've ever fought Like you remember that story the only person who has real-life pocket sand except it's not gonna be pocket sand she's gonna be ground down glass Like she seems like the kind of person who would say shit like I take razor blades between my toes so I can kick people Doesn't she, though? And as we get into this, you'll hear that. Yes, she is that person. All right, listen. She threw a cue ball at her bartender's head, charged with salt, disturbed with the peach. As you can see, Eileen's quite the firecracker. Question number three. What was the name of the bar that she was tossed out of and did some tossing in? Can I get the cue ball? Do you think she had it? Was it A, Bernie's bar, B, Bert's biker bar, C, Barry's beer palace, or D, bottles, brews, and brats? Do you think she had a clever one-liner? Do you think she was like, I'll break and whipped it at him? I hope not. I hope she did.

I hope somebody was writing for her. Bernie's Bar, Bert's Biker Bar, Barry's Beer Palace, or Bottles Brews and Bruts. All right, Kim said Bernie's Bar. What did he say? Bert's Biker Bar. Bert's Biker Bar. I do love a good alliteration, but it was the first one. Bernie's Bar.

250 points to Kim. Plenty of time. Don't worry, guys. Just a few days later, her brother Keith would die of esophageal cancer. She was a beneficiary of his life insurance policy, which paid out $10,000. Now, remember, we're like late 70s, $10,000. So that's literally like $40,000. It's not like quit your job forever money. But for Eileen Wuornos, who like recently lived in a snub house, that's some pretty good cash. Like, let's be real. It makes me think of Knocked Up when he's like gets his foot run over by the mail truck or whatever. And she's like, how much do you have? And he's like, I don't know, like $18,000 left. And she's like, really? And he's like, yeah, it's enough to live in other.

10, 12 years? It's not. So just another couple days later, Eileen would again be pulled over for drunk driving and be fined $105 for the infraction. However, she, remember, just got fucking paid out, baby. $105, no problem. I'm going to do it again. She was also upset to spend money on a few luxuries and would be broke within only a few months.

Fuck. Why didn't she invest in an IRA? One such luxury was a new car that she only had a few weeks before wrecking it. This is why we can't have nice things, Eileen. She gets a fucking Cadillac and wrecks it into a dish like, I'm giving a fuck. I'm getting a new one. In 1978, it all sort of becomes too much for Eileen, and she attempts to take the easy way out. Question number four. In what way does Eileen attempt to end it all? Is it A, bottle of pills, B, slits her wrists, C, shot herself in the stomach, or D, jumped off a roof?

Bottle of pills. You know, the old down the road, not across the street. Shot herself in the stomach. Shove it off the roof. Pills. Razors.

Gun. Face dive. Pills. Razors. Gun. Altitude. All right, what'd you say? I went with C. Shot herself in the stomach. What'd you say? The same, because she seems kind of like a dodo. Oh, you guys think she's dumb enough to try to kill herself by shooting herself in the stomach? Based on the history, maybe. Give about 250 points because she ended up going to the hospital and recovering from non-life-threatening injuries after shooting herself in the stomach with a .22 caliber pistol. See, that's not the right caliber for that. Yeah, that's like a glorified pellet gun.

Yeah, from L1. She's like, I really need the Stump House community to come out and support me. What was that line from The Simpsons when Snake is at the quiet urgent care or whatever, and he's like, yo, I totally fell on a bullet. And the nurse checks off liquor store robbery or whatever. She needs premium! Dude! She claims that between the ages of 14 and 22, she will attempt to end her life six separate occasions. Not very good at it. Not successful. Might be the intention of your time.

The year is 1981. And on the radio... No, I'm just kidding. In 1981... I'm Ricky's. Finds herself in a spot where she needs to make some quick money. Like, even quicker than she can make at selling her money. So she decides to give our robbery a try. And she was not very successful. She attempted to rob a convenience store and succeeded in stealing $35 and two packs of smokes. Going to get smoked. You know she got the $35 and was like, fuck, at least give me some Winstons. Hands of $4. I'm sorry, I'm used to paying for it. Eileen, is that you? No, shut the fuck up, Mark.

When she was caught, she went to jail. And on May 4th, 1982, she would be charged with armed robbery and sentenced to two years of jail, but was released after only 13 months. Good behavior, y'all. Less than a year after getting out, this time she would head to Flo Rida once more, where she would be caught for yet another crime. No way. Question number five. What crime would she be arrested for this time? Was it A, disorderly conduct? C, nope. Is that the answer? A, disorderly conduct. B, check forgery. C, DUI or D, assault. Disorderly conduct, check forgery. DUI or assault?

Is that who you are? Also, yeah, I didn't want to point it out to you guys. Greg's got the questions out there. Everyone, I'll look at them. It's helpful. I know my soothing voice can't always deliver them in such a way that you can, you know, that your eyeballs can. So watch YouTube.com slash Serial Chillers Podcast. I think it's at Serial Chillers Podcast. That's fucking stupid. I mean, thanks, YouTube. All right, what'd you guys put? Don't thank them. I know. Check forgery? Check forgery. I went with D.

Salt. She's never even done that before, so I don't want to go that way. That's all she's done! But actually, Kim, yeah, Kim's going off the trail, and it is check forgery. She decided she can't fucking rob anybody because she's dumb. She already wrecked her Cadillac because she's dumb. She lost her $10,000. Guess why? Dumb. She's like, oh, what? Believe it or not, dumb. Okay, so yes, check forgery. Also because she got caught, she's not good at anything. She's not good at anything. It's kind of just Eileen saying not being good at things. So, passing forage checks at BankUS Florida later the following year.

A .22 pistol and ammunition were stolen in a breaking and entering case. Guess who took them? Eileen was named as a suspect but was never charged for the theft of the firearm. In January of 1986, she was arrested once more. This time it was for car theft, resisting arrest and obstruction of justice.

Just fucking stay out of trouble. Jesus shit, man. Obstruction of justice. I like to think that it didn't even involve her. It was somebody else getting arrested. She's like, hey, what are you doing? Get out of here. Go on. Or it was like she drove by someone getting a speeding ticket and was like, you fuckers! They're like, goddammit. It's like super trooper shit. There's Eileen again. Get her. I like how she's clearly the entire time been in Florida. We're talking like she's in deep Alabama. What do people in Florida sound like?

I don't know, like California, but older. So she was... During that arrest, she was also cited for giving identification that she had stolen from her aunt. In addition to that, they found a .38 revolver and ammunition in the vehicle, in which had also been stolen. The gun was not registered to her or the owner of the vehicle. Therefore, Eileen was seemingly responsible for it being there. In June of 1986, sheriffs would detain Eileen for questioning because a male friend she had claimed that she had tried to rob him. He had tried... She had tried to rob him at gunpoint and demanded $200 of him. Like, she gave him a ride home.

And then at the end, pulled a gun and was like, now give me $200, Tim, or whatever his name is. Ask Ash to crash, Tim. Literally, this is how dumb she is. Instead of going and finding some random on the street, she's like, give me $200. Come on, damn it, Eileen. You know I was going to spend this on meth. You were going to spend it on meth? I'm going to spend it on meth. I need it too. Why don't you just go give it to him and I'll go over there and pick up the meth? So, yeah, the police come out to her house. They search. They find $200 in cash and spare .22 caliber ammunition. Upon a search of the male friend's vehicle, they found a .22 pistol that had Eileen's fingerprints on it under the passenger seat. The police believe that after robbing her friend, she accidentally dropped the gun on the way out and it fell beneath the seat.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So she got, oh, shit, I've never seen this much money in my life. Because, you know, last time she had a robber, she got $35 in two bags of smokes. So she gets $200, and as she's getting out of the car, drops, oh, shit, all right, whatever, I got the money. Go. That's secure in the bag, right? She's trying to take our advice. Go, go, go. Eileen, you're driving. Shut up. Damn it. It was the opposite way. I apologize. She was being driven home. Oh. And she robbed the guy who gave her the ride home.

Brilliant. And then drop the gun in the passenger seat. I believe they call that biting the hand that feeds. Yeah. So it was not too long after this that Eileen met the love of her life in a 24-year-old woman named Tyra Moore. I love that. I love that twist. Yeah. Let me just tell you something right now about Tyra Moore.

Wonderful person, heart of gold, practically a saint. I've never seen somebody. So, like, during Eileen's trial, there's, like, it's very, like, you can go watch the whole trial. It's, like, a lot of it. But Tyra Moore, I've never seen a woman be 29 and look 46 so hard. Like, and she doesn't even, like, really into the drugs or anything. Just, like, you know, between haircut and style at the time. Because I was watching something last night, just kind of get caught up on it. And the very beginning of her testimony.

They're like, how old are you? She's like 29 years old. And I was like, what? Holy shit. My God. Not using retinols or what? Oh, buddy. Oh, buddy. Okay. What's your skincare routine? Bar fights? So, yeah. 24-year-old woman named Tyra Moore. Question number six. Where did the lovers meet? Was it A, on Daytona Beach? B, Eileen stayed at a motel that Tyra worked at? C, a chance encounter on the street? Or D, at a gay bar? Duh. At a gay bar? Duh. On Daytona Beach, Eileen stayed at a motel Tyra worked at? A chance encounter on the street? Or at a gay bar? Duh.

Trying to figure out what a BARDA is. Yeah. There's four monitors over there. Is that what these are? All right, Kim said, stayed in a motel at Tyra Workdown. What did you say, buddy? Same. Oh, I tried to give you the answer. It was at a gay BARDA. Well, you shouldn't have made a joke about it because then it didn't seem like that could have been the answer. That's called being a game show host where you don't want to get anybody some points. We'll keep your mouth shut next time, okay? Never. Never. I will never, ever. I'm going to try to trick you on all of them now.

Yeah, they met at a Daytona Beach gay bar called the Zodiac and would almost immediately move in together. That's fucking love, you guys. At the time they first got together, Tyra was a hotel maid and was pretty good at her job. Hey, that's why all the questions are built around the thing because they also met at a Daytona Beach gay club. They didn't meet on Daytona Beach, but they met at a Daytona Beach. Trickery. Slightly. That's the idea though, right? I'm like that asshole teacher who like really gives trick questions because nobody wins anything anyway, you guys. So I'm just really here to try to demoralize. I should bring us all back down to earth, okay? It brings me back to my childhood.

You were mean to me. So at the time they first got together, Tyra was a hotel maid. She was like middle management. She was pretty good at her job. She got her shit done. People trusted her. Due to her wanting to be with Eileen whenever she could, she quit her job to allow Eileen to support them off of her sex work and moved into a fleabag motel.

Just like... To live? Think of the worst hotel you've ever seen. You're driving in like 99 and all of... Yeah, that's pretty... Home. Looks like home. That whole Belmont to Olive area there is pretty... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So at the time, the couple would revert back to Eileen's old ways and stay in heavily wooded areas or in people's barns overnight because they were like, fuck the motel life. This is expensive, baby. You know what I'm going to miss the most? Stump houses. The vending machines. At times, the couple would revert back to Eileen's old ways and stay in heavily wooded areas or in people's barns overnight because they were like, fuck the motel life. This is expensive, baby. Just living off the land. You know what I'm going to miss the most? Stump houses. The vending machines. At times, the couple would revert back to Eileen's old ways and stay in heavily wooded areas or in people's barn

Okay, so they would do a few small jobs to try to get money beyond the sex work pay. However, the best idea they had, or perhaps just Eileen, was to start robbing her Johns and killing them to have no witnesses. And then they could keep their cars too. Free car out of the whole deal. You know what I'm saying? See, I feel like the move would have been to play like a whole thing, like a whole scenario. Like... Explain. Okay, so Charlize Theron goes in with the John, right? And then they do what they're going to do. She gets paid. They're almost done.

Tyra kicks in the door she's like give me all your money and they both are like oh shit okay and they give her all their money then she's like well damn I'm out some money like I'm out money too so it's not just you and then they like then she leaves and goes on about her day and then like you know what I'm saying like yeah she could have just taken the money after the sex you sound like a career criminal that's a whole bunch of extra steps what are you talking about she had to have the sex and she already got the money that's what I'm saying oh gosh she had to have the IQ to like do that yeah but I mean if you're gonna if you're gonna rob if you're gonna rob though Tyra oh shit shut up I forgot the plan That's what I'm saying like if she if she pretended to like be robbed as well Then they could have got away with it. They wouldn't have to kill people and they could just be like hooking and robbing and I think There's there's more than there's more than one step to that plan you take your money Caleb to look if you kill the John you get your money back. There's this is like GTA There's one scene in monster where like she picks up like one pathetic older dude and she like she like feels a little bad for such jerks like I get out

And she, you know what I mean? Like, she was like, hey, look, she's got a heart. Like, that's what I always took from that scene. It was like, oh, come on, guys. She's not that bad. I think before Aaron Brockovich, Eileen Wuornos was the hooker with the heart of gold. Oh, my God.

Okay, so look, they're just grinding, guys. They're out there hustling, a little sex work, a little side work. I thought that was applied. They could have just stayed in middle management, and they could have probably just lived at the hotel, right? Some people do that. Anyway, so this is one version of the story. The other one would be that Eileen was attacked and defended herself with lethal force on seven different occasions. So either she planned to rob and kill, or she had to defend herself with lethal force seven times. She does sound like the kind of person who'd be like, hit me, hit me. And then when you hit her, she'd go bananas and just bite the tip of your nose off or something. And then when the police show up, she's like, well, he hit me first.

Warros. She's very in love with Tyra. She would say of her that it was love beyond imaginable. Earthly words cannot describe how I felt about Tyra. Only alien words. Listen. Just kidding. That ended after the whole how I felt about Tyra thing. Eileen would never change her love for Tyra ever. Over the 12 months approximately, Eileen would commit seven murders and they would start with a man named Richard Mallory. Eileen would dedicate it to Tyra. She loved that bitch. Even like later, Tyra, not very fucking cool to her. Like after it all started to go down, Eileen's like, I'm sorry, baby. I want to fix these for you. And I'm not exaggerating what Eileen sounds like. So trust me.

Mostly we exaggerate, and when people are dumb, we use the southern accent. This one just really kind of... She's from Michigan, but... For whatever reason, that's what she sounds like. She does, she does. It's in her DNA. Eileen would never change her love for Tyra. She loved that motherfucker. Okay, so they start with Richard Mallory. Mallory was the owner of an electronics repair business in Clearwater, Florida. He didn't seem to be a particularly good person by all accounts, but that doesn't mean that he deserved to be killed. Apparently due to his alcoholism and penchant for day-long...

binges of sex and booze it wasn't uncommon for him to not show up for work for several days at a time he owned the shit so they're like fucking boss loves booze and women you know he's gone for three days at a time so what a life though like it's an electronic store what up hey sales of tvs yeah you guys want you want to buy a stereo my office you want to buy a stereo no you want to get hammered and go chase women hey i mean like we don't even go chase them i know right now he's probably the kind of guy who says things like you want to go chase skirts Yeah, I do hate him, too. But he's dead, so. You got him. Scoreboard. He picked up Eileen on November 30th, 1989 in hopes of paying her to be one of those women that he just disappears with for a while. Eileen claims that Richard brutally beat, raped, and sodomized her. She gave a very gut-wrenching, very detailed description of this attack during her arraignment. This is also one of the things, like, it's on video. You can go on YouTube and you can see almost all of her court appearances, including her arraignment. If you would have just seen this and you had a judge based on none of the evidence, just her performance, you'd have been like, this fucking dude did it. Like, it was a, like, she could have won an Academy Award alongside Charlize Theron for this one.

She should have been an actress. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They don't really take people from stump houses, though. Many believed this story to be absolutely fabricated and knew that they were dealing with a cold-blooded killer. A lot of people believed it because, like, you know, it was a good performance. Plus, Richard Mallory's history sort of led people to believe that...

This might have been something he was capable of. He set her off on a path that she eventually arrived. That's what some of the naysayers said. Yeah, she killed him, but he set her on that path. I'm not sure how I feel about all of it, but there are definitely times when Eileen is clearly just fucking lying, and during this time on the stand, she seems to be sincere for what it's worth. Now, I feel terrible for the victims of sexual assault or abuse, and I hope they can get all the help they need to heal, and at the very least, cope from the trauma they've been through. However, if your way to cope is to murder several people, because one shitty one, maybe just try to find other ways to think about it. I won't tell you what I said last time.

Well, I started thinking about it, and I'm like, it sounds like maybe this one, that is how it played out. And that's what a lot of people... And then she was like, oh shit, I could get away with it. And a lot of Eileen defenders will say, less that, more that's what broke me. She became broken then. This really did happen. That might be, but I feel like she was like, I can get away with it. So that's her excuse for all of them, rather than... You got to know when to hold them. Know when to hold them. That's from the guy who owns the chicken place.

Yes, it is. What's his name? Kenny Rogers. Colonel Sanders. One in the same. Oh, man. Are we almost out of... Yep. I was just going to say, we've got a break coming up right now. You're going to break the seal, huh? Yeah. Okay. Remember, guys, I'm not an expert. And if you're using this show for research, don't. So Eileen is picked up by Richard and attacked or not attacked. I don't know. But by the end of it, Richard Mallory is shot three times. Question number seven. How long would it take for Richard Mallory's body to be discovered in days? Give me days.

Yep, Eileen's done the deed, stashed the body, got a car. How will she hide it? How many days would it sit around before somebody stumbled upon it? All right, Kim said 17 days. What did he say? Three. Three days. Give Kim 250 points because his body would be found 13 days later by some young men who are walking along a dirt road. I'm impressed. Looking for scrap metal. Okay, so what do we got? Kim's got a... Hold on, don't rush me. I would never do that.

Okay. What was the question? Give me some scores here and we're going to head to a break. 1250 to 500. All right. Plenty of time. That's only halfway. Only halfway. So don't let Kim get like 2,500. You know what I'm saying? You start scoring. Yeah, I don't know what your plan was, but now you try to get the points, okay? Oh, shit. Okay. Dang. So I'm going to somehow make Kim's questions harder now. I'm just extending this because I really know you need a break. So I'm just taking my extra time. You're shaking over there a little bit. All right. Let's take a break here. We'll be back. Come back or we'll kill you.

Okay, welcome back, everybody. If you're here, we don't have to kill you, and that's pretty cool because I'm not really in the killing mood. We were last talking about Richard Mallory. He had been discovered after 13 days after Eileen had killed him. So he'd been out in the Florida swamp weather for 13 days. Probably pretty...

Human. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So some young men were gathering some scrap metal along a dirt road. They would discover the body of Richard Mallory, and it was in pretty bad shape. Initial investigations brought forward no real substantial leads. The case would eventually go cold, as no real clues were found other than the body of Richard himself. On June 1st, another naked man would be found in the woods of Citrus County, Florida. This is about 40 miles south of Tampa Bay. Nearly a week later, it would be identified as the body of David Spears, a 43-year-old Sarasota man. Spears was a heavy equipment operator who had left for an Orlando vacation on May 18th, and the last time anyone knew him had seen him. So he left on May 18th, and then he was pretty much never heard from again.

He was headed down to Sarasota to go get himself a hooker. He was headed from Sarasota to Orlando to go on vacation, Greg. I'll thank you kindly. And just happened to wind up with a hooker. I think the preferred nomenclature is sex worker. In 19. So it appears that he never made it to Orlando. He said, I'm on vacation.

but I'm going to stop and pick up a sex worker, perhaps, on the way. His body was also in bad shape. It had been dead for some time, but it was discovered that he had been shot six times with a .22 caliber pistol, and they had found a used condom near his body. Additionally, only a few miles away on I-75, they would locate his unlocked truck. Question number eight. They found his truck, but something was missing. What was it? Was it A, the wheels? B, the battery? C, the seats? Or D, the license plates? Wheels, battery, seats, license plates. All right, buddy, what'd you say?

I would like to hope that it was D, the license plates. Maybe Eileen had just enough sense. Maybe. Or she was like, I can get 60 bucks for these wheels. Kim, what did you say? The wheels. Did you say the wheels? I said the wheels. Eileen had a little sense this time, and the truck was missing the license plate. Hey-oh. 250 points for Monique. Closing the gap. No clues were found within the truck initially to link anyone to the crime, but another body was found off of I-75 on June 6th, wrapped in an electric blanket. This time the body was so badly- Always plugged into. I just want to keep them warm, this fucker.

He attacked me, but I got respect. This time the body was so badly decomposed that the medical examiners were not able to obtain any fingerprints from it for identification. They also could not estimate time of death due to the advanced stages of decomposition, but nine bullets were found inside the decomposed body, but the decomp process had actually damaged the bullets, but not so much that they weren't recognizable. So enough to where they weren't going to be able to use it for any forensic, you know, like, oh, this came from this gun because the body was so badly decayed that it started to break down the metal of the bullets that were left behind as well. That's crazy. That's crazy that a decaying body can break down bullets.

I mean, if they have an electric blanket, right? Yeah, yeah. So there's the process. I'm sure there's just a soup of things happening there. Don't call it a soup. A whole soup of things. I mean, that's what it is. I know. A little stew. A little dispacho. Tomato soup served ice cold. Who would have thought? So they were identified as what, you know, you guessed it, 22s. Also, they're 22s. Like, if something's going to start breaking down, that little guy. So there's not much of it to begin with, is what you're saying. I'm here to kill you. No, probably not. Well, I brought you to my buddies. Ah, fuck. Yeah, yeah. So.

This man was named... Where did I have his first name? Super cool. His last name's Karsgaden. He was very hard to identify, and it took several weeks for officers in neighboring counties to make connections to realize that the body they had was that of Carl Karsgaden, his 40-year-old. That's not what I was going to guess. I was going to guess Rolando. Rolando Karsgaden? Yep, Carl. Carl Karsgaden. Lame. There are eyewitnesses who claim to see Eileen with Carl's car in addition to the fact that she pawned a gun that was registered to him.

How can you even do that? Like, ah, this is registered to Carl Karsgad. I'll give you 32 bucks for it. Sold. On the 4th of July, 1990, Eileen and Tyra would get into a solo vehicle incident that was witnessed by a woman named Rhonda Bailey. The two women exited the car and began throwing beer cans into the woods, and upon noticing that Rhonda had seen them, asked her not to call the police as their father's house was right up the street. The two got back into the car and just drove down the road before the car gave up on them. So, like, you're a Rhonda Bailey, you're, like, out on your porch, sipping some iced tea, you know, doing Sudoku, and you just hear...

This Cadillac crashes in a ditch and two individuals climb out, very troll-like, and start throwing beer cans. Come on, Tyra! Clean this shit out of here! Throwing beer cans into the woods. They see you. They're like, hey! Don't call the cops or nothing. My dad lives right up the road. They get back in and drive a hundred feet down the road. The car's all...

Yeah, yeah. I would be like, oh, okay. Normal. I would not call the cops. I gotta wake up. I think Rhonda Bailey was concerned. The two got back in the car and drove before it broke down. Rhonda then called police who came and asked the women about the car that they had been walking away from and they claimed that it wasn't theirs. And they pretty much told the cops to walk right off because it wasn't registered to them. So the car was like, they're like, oh, you guys got out of that car? And they're like, no. What car? Yeah, that woman said you got out. Like, well, she's wrong. It wasn't us. At least she had enough sense to do that. That lady needs to learn to mind her business. Good thing we know she lives at 492 Elm Street.

Down the street from my dad. It does kind of make sense. So like, what are the cops? Can you be like, no, it is yours, right? No, not ours. Oh, shit. All right. We need, what's that stuff called? Evidence. Also, we don't care. We don't care. So the women would disappear, Tyra and Eileen, and the cops would go back to investigate the vehicle accident. And that would show that all of the windows and the windshield are broken. And there appeared to be a large amount of blood spread throughout the interior.

Remember, they had just talked to Tyra and Eileen, and they did not notice it anymore. That might have been some of that evidence we were talking about. They could have been like, well, your face kind of scratched up, has some glass stuck in it. I think you might have something to do with that. No, everything's broken, but they realize that the blood is probably not from either of them. It's spread throughout the interior.

The car was a 1988 Pontiac Sunbird that was registered to a man named Peter Cerns. Cerns who disappeared nearly a month prior to this. He was a 65-year-old man driving from his home in Jupiter, Florida to visit some friends in Arkansas. He was a retired merchant seaman and had spent most of his spare time working with Christian ministries. Like, for all intents and purposes, like a fairly good dude. And she's like, nah, give me that car, bitch. Troy Burris was a delivery truck driver. He's also going to have a run-in with Eileen Wuornos. But before we get there, question number nine. What did Troy deliver?

Was it milk, bread, sausage, or donuts? Troy, Burris, the delivery driver. What was it? What was in that truck? What do you got there, Troy? I hope it's milk so I can finally chow down on that fucking confetti. I have milk. Eat the confetti if you want, man. I had a little before I came. Where was this located? This is in Flo-Rida. Flo-Rida. Yeah, somewhere in there, in America's weighing section.

I mean, if it were up in Boston, I could see donuts. Oh, they don't eat donuts in Florida? Well, because like Duncan and Tim Hortons and all that's all up in that northeastern area. I'm sure there's an equally large donut corporation in the South. They're legal. Just nobody says, Duncan Donuts. Yeah. All right, Kim said he delivered bread. What do you want to say? That's what I went with. Also, bread delivery. Troy Burris does sound like a fucking bread delivery guy. He's the bread man. But he delivered for Gilchrist sausage.

See, that's what I was going to say, because Florida's known for its sausage. Yeah, yeah, totally. That's what I think of. America's weighing sausages. The sausage state. We've got the most flaccid sausage around. So who got points? No one. Sick burn.

So he left for his route early in the morning on July 30th. Hey. However, 30 minutes after Troy was to return, his boss got suspicious. The boss called his last few deliveries and discovered that Troy had not made several of them. Troy's, like, pretty solid dude. Like, he's the kind of guy that, like, if he's not back 10 minutes where his ship's supposed to be over, you're like, where the hell's Troy? And it's like 30 minutes, 40 minutes. The boss's like, better fucking check on this guy. And he had made, like, I think his last four deliveries. So a call was made to Troy's wife, and a small search party went into action. So his coworkers and his wife go out, you know, just seeing if there's an accident anywhere. Troy was officially reported missing at 2 a.m., and at 4 a.m., Sheriff's deputies had located his truck on State Road 19, 20 miles south of where they thought he would be.

Just full of sausages. So many sausages. The truck was unlocked, but the keys were missing. Five days later, a family went out for a picnic in a clearing off of Highway 19, and what they discovered would shock them. Look at him like the Daily Mail now or something. A badly decomposed body that had rapidly progressed due to the Florida heat and humidity. The body was around eight miles from his truck and just about unidentifiable. The thing they used to identify him tentatively was his wedding ring.

There was another suspect wanted for this murder initially as he was a drifter that had been identified as being in the area of the body during the time in which he went missing. They always try and pin it on the drifter. Yeah, it's always the drifter, man. They're really just trying to get it from A to B, you know? Leave the drifter alone! Official stance of the serial killer podcast. As they investigated the man further, it became quite clear that he had nothing to do with it. See? Idiots. One September day, a man named Derek Humphries went on his last day of work at the Sumterville Office of Florida's Department of Health and Rehabilitative Services.

What a fucking smooth title that is. Good job. Yeah, or the FDHRS. See, it's not smooth either way. I'd rename the whole thing. Just make it smooth. At this job, he's a protective investigator who helped abused and injured children. Oh, no, I feel like a dick. It was his last day at Sumterville office. He was transferred to the Ocala office the following week. However, he would never make it to his job there. September 10th was he and his wife's 35th wedding anniversary, and he would go missing on September 11th. Don't forget. His body was found just one day later. Question number 10. How many times did Eileen shoot Dick Humphries?

You kind of have a little history now. I've told you how many bullets we found with these guys. How many times did she pull the trigger on Dick? This one's just open. No multiple choice. Closest to the answer gets 250 points. If you nail it, this is for 500. So 500 points if you can just land right on it. Kim said four. Monique said seven. Yeah, Monique, 500 points because, yes, Eileen shot Dick Humphrey with a total of seven bullet wounds. Six were recovered from his body and a seventh passed through his wrist and was not recovered. That makes a pretty close game there, doesn't it? That ties it up. Oh, see that advice we gave you right before the break. Gotcha.

The following month, they would find his car in Suine County. About another month later, they would find the nude body of a man named Walter Antonio, a 60-year-old trucker who moonlighted as a security guard and a reserve police officer. He was shot four times. Awfully, this were your question. With a .22 pistol. His car was found five days later in Brevard County. After the July 4th accident with Peter Seam's car, Eileen and Tyra became fairly prime suspects for a lot of the things that are going on. No way.

I can't believe that. It only makes sense. Yeah. We keep seeing these people around all these crimes that are being committed. They're actually getting murders, too. Super weird. So the police were given the description by one of the officers at the scenes from Rhonda calling him in. What followed was a media campaign to locate the two women. Victims' belongings began to crop up in pawn shops across Florida, and one of the receipts from a pawn shop had prints that matched a print found in Peter Seam's vehicle. So, like, there's a pretty decent police work happening here, right? Like...

They're like, all right, fuck, we got to go back. I think it all ties back to those two chicks we let go. Let's make up for this. And they've, like, got fingerprints that match something from a murder scene. Now we've got it tied to another murder from a receipt that was sold at a pawn shop. And, like, I think we're seeing some, like, pretty decent police work taking place. And, again, I think it's the second episode in a row that we've said that. We don't say that a lot. Usually we're like, man, they really fucked this up bad. I mean, as an armchair detective, I feel like a lot of us, especially people in the true crime community, have the benefit of hindsight where they can be like, oh, you should have looked here. Oh, yeah, I could never solve it. When that person is, like, completely known to you.

I can barely solve, like, mildly difficult puzzles on video games. Right. I was going to say, I tie my shoes when I pull them out of the box, so I never have to tie them again. And I don't tie them. I knot them. Note to self, get Greg's slip-on shoes for Christmas. Or Velcro. Ooh. Just straight black leather with two Velcros. Yeah, dude. Just new balance. So later this print would be identified as that of Eileen Wuornos, as she had a record, and her prints were in the criminal database. So...

Connections. On January 9th, police believe they have everything they need to make an arrest and do so at the last resort biker bar in Volusia County, Florida. So they've got her located. They've got a lot of the shit pinned on her. And they're like, yeah, we'll just wait until she's out in the open. We're going to bring her down. So they arrest her at the last resort. And they're also after Tyra. She's very tied in. Question number 11. How long would it take to find Tyra? Was it A, three weeks? B, ten days? C, four days? Or D, one day? For the lead. For the lead. Three weeks, ten days, four days, or one day?

Do you think Eileen would just give her up? Just be like... Eileen would never fucking do that. You don't think so? Nope. I mean, I know we talked about how much she loves her, but... Nope, 100% no. If they were like, hey, Eileen, we'll get you out of the death penalty if you just give up Tyra, she'd have been like, put the needle in me now, motherfuckers!

Damn, that's a good Eileen. Thank you. Kim said D one day. Monique said. Three weeks. Three weeks. Give Kim the lead once more. 250 points. Because on January 10th, they would locate Tyra all the way in everybody's favorite paper company's area, Scranton, Pennsylvania.

That's right. She didn't solve the crime. I know. Maybe she's the scranton strangler. Tyra was incredibly afraid and agreed with police to try to get a confession out of Eileen for the murders to prove that she had done nothing wrong. And she basically was like, I was just like there. I didn't know that she was murdering people. Yeah, we were getting money from sex work, but I was just a girlfriend. So she would try to do this in exchange for immunity from prosecution.

She made a few recorded phone calls to incarcerated Eileen, in which she pleaded with Eileen to help her clear her name and get her family away from the situation. It would take only days for Eileen to confess to all of the murders and say that Tyra had nothing to do with them. She was the love of Eileen's life, and she knew that. And she knew that Eileen would do anything to protect her, and Eileen delivered. Eileen claimed that each of the men had tried to rape her, which is why she had killed them all, and it was in self-defense. You can hear those phone calls, by the way. That's why I'm like, no, she would never. Yeah, I've heard them. The phone calls where Tyra's like, they're talking to my family, they're talking to me, they're talking about, you know, blah, blah, blah. And Eileen's straight up in prison. She's like, don't worry, honey, I got you. I got you. I'm taking care

care of this don't worry don't even worry i love you i love you like in prison like she's in full control right like she's been arrested for seven murders like don't worry about it sweetheart i got this and i'll make it all the money and power to yeah but i mean she fucking did um so she said they're all in self-defense although in nick roomfield's second documentary life and death of eileen and one of the most sane she's ever seen on camera so dude she's fucking manic she's got i mean if she's not schizophrenic i'm fucking i don't have a beard because I'm not a doctor, but holy shit. I've never, like, in this interview, she is so level-headed. She's so, like, you're just like, yeah, this is a person I believe what she's saying. And then other times you'll see her and she's just like, I'm going to the moon and you're coming too. You know Jim Morrison? Like Charles Manson level fucking crazy in the speech. Like, they're very comparable, I would say, in the way they do this sometimes. It's a really disconnected thought pattern. Like, they're having a conversation inside their head. And you only get to hear part of it. It's like the dudes you see standing on the corner who, like, are, like, way too close to traffic.

You know, you see him in the car, like, oh, geez, dude. Like, is it drugs or mental illness? Like, everybody's favorite game show. Welcome to Fresno. Spin the wheel. Find out. Once you're in prison for, like, you know, six months and you haven't had the drugs, the answer is very easy to find out, in my opinion. But, hey, what the fuck do I know? I'm barely a podcast host. But these documentaries are fucking fantastic. Watch them both if you ever, like, are interested in the story. Because they're not crazy long. It's probably three hours total. Some true crime docs are, like, four hours long. But, again, one was in 93, which is, like, right about this time when she's being...

It follows her attorney as he's going. And this guy's, like, this guy's such a, like, he'd be, like, a cool dude to hang out with. He'd be not a cool dude to be a criminal defense attorney because, like, he's got to, like, drive out to see Eileen. And he's like, yeah, it's about a three-joint ride. And they've got him in the car.

Fucking murder suspect. I'm okay with that like when it's my friend coming to visit But like not with somebody who's gonna back me up and like represent me on trial for murder These are incredible crime documentaries there because normally we get a lot of talking heads like oh Eileen's sister Eileen's ex-roommate Eileen lived in a stump house with Eileen for a little bit or whatever This one is just like the camera is like what do you think Eileen? And it's just like a lot of hers a lot of people are very very closer So you get a very good insight and he did another the follow-up like selling of Eileen Wuornos because her life became so sensationalist books and movies and lots of people making money and none of it is And so in 2003, they did another documentary kind of following up on everything. And they're pretty powerful. But watch it. I wrote right here, watch this documentary, I'm telling you. But going back into what I was going to say, it's like the first time I ever see her where it seemed like very sane. She's like, eh, it wasn't about.

Being raped it was about robbery and I just figured it'd be easier to kill him like totally straight like and the next time you talk to her say I didn't fucking say that I didn't say that it's like we just you're watching the documentary you just watched her completely absolutely say that in the only time she actually seems sane after that so The next time Broomfield interviews her she once again claims that it was rape and the police allowed her to become a serial killer that kind of becomes her thing later too they knew it was me after the first murder they allowed me to become a serial killer they wanted me to take care of some of these sick individuals and then that was her thing too it was like these were sick individuals and the cops let her do it because they wanted to get some of these guys out the street once she did enough they finally brought her in because like her job was done she's a soldier in the army of Lord, I get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But let's back up a moment because on January 14th, 1992, Eileen would go on trial for the murder of Richard Mallory. Normally, you're not allowed to use past convictions in a criminal trial, but Florida has something called the Williams Rule, which states the Williams Rule is based on the holding in Florida state case of Williams versus the state in which the relevant evidence of collateral crimes and admission at a jury trial when it does not prove to be the bad character or criminal propensity of the defendant, but is used to show motive, intent, knowledge, modus operandi, or lack of mistake. So this rule, like in California, you can't use someone's past convictions as evidence in a new crime. They just want to know if

you committed this new crime. They don't need to know about your crime. In Florida, they're like, well, as long as you're not using the crime to say, like, this is why they're a bad person, but you're using the crime to be like, yes, they know how to load a gun and fire a gun because they have committed this crime in which they loaded a gun and fired a gun. Yes, they know how to hotwire a car because they committed this crime in which they hotwire a car. So they're allowed to bring in these cases in Florida like this, so they're allowed to bring in all of these cases of Eileen's to prove that she has a lot of intent, motive, knowledge, modus operandi, or lack of mistake. Only in Florida.

Oh, Flo Rida. So they're also allowed user past crimes to show that she knows what she is doing and that this is a pattern of crimes that is used to committing crimes of similar nature. Due to all of these things, less than two weeks later, she was convicted of the murder. Tyra Moore would go on a stand against Eileen in this trial and she never looked at Eileen once during her testimony. It was like so huge for Eileen because Eileen just wanted her to look. You could see it in the tapes. Like Eileen's like, oh, it killed Eileen. It was one of those points where you're like, just look at her. Come on, Tyra, just once. That's some pretty incredible self-control to not look though. Yeah. Because like, even if there's a car accident, you're like, got to look at her. I do one of those things too where maybe Tyra does love her and she's like, if I look at her once, I'm not going to be able to hold together, you

Well, who knows? Who knows? Not I. Tyra Moore. That's it. During Eileen's testimony, she gave a performance that was either her being so genuinely afraid of what Richard Mallory did, kind of what we talked about earlier, or she deserves an Academy Award like Charlize Theron.

One thing that could have potentially helped her testimony be more believable was the fact that Richard Mallory had been incarcerated and treated for an assault with intent to rape that he committed in 1958, and he was jailed for three years and treated for eight for those crimes. Then in 1961, a report claims that Mallory possessed strong sociopathic trends. The judge in the case decided that none of this information was relevant and did not need to be allowed into evidence during the trial. So like I said, it was, in my opinion, probably the only time maybe something shitty did happen. It was by a really shitty dude who had been treated for eight years to not want to rape kids, essentially. But that seems like that's that same law where they said you can't use somebody's past. Use it to show bad character. Yeah, you can't use it to show bad character. You're exactly right. Damn you and your logic. Which, I mean, I feel like you could use it to be like he knew what he was doing was wrong because he'd been incarcerated for this once before. Yeah.

But nope at her sentencing the defense presented multiple psychiatrists who testified to the fact her shitty stone lawyers like damn That's a good idea. I should have thought of that and her sentencing the defense presented multiple psychiatrists who testified to the fact that Eileen was mentally unfit to stand trial due to borderline personality disorder and antisocial personality disorder So multiple psychiatrists the defense brought in you know, it's not like the state psychiatrist It's like we have four psychiatrists who think she's unfit for this trial. What do you say? I think that may be right. Yeah She has the faculties. Yeah, the state rejected these opinions and four days later sentenced her to death

Her requests for retrial were denied, and in March of the same year, she would go on trial for the murder of Dick Humphreys, Troy Burris, and David Spears. She pleaded no contest to all of them, claiming that she would need to get right with God. In this trial, while on the stand, she mentions that she indeed was raped by Richard Mallory, but says that these men were not raping her, but they had begun the process of it. She was sentenced to three additional death sentences. After this trial, she yells at a news camera on her way out to a police car, and the only reason this is happening is that so the politicians can climb the ladder, and about the four death penalties, she says, quote, what are you going to do, kill me four times?

She's got a guy with a defibrillator. Just really quickly for everybody that doesn't understand, the reason they do that is if any of the death penalties are vacated, maybe they still got one. Not to patronize anybody, but that's the reason they do that. It's also the reason they get like, oh, you murdered six people, you get 30 years in prison for each person, and you've got to serve those consecutively. It's like, yeah, you're going to do 180 years max.

Yeah, so, sorry. Got off track there. What do you do? Kill me four times? That's like a good burn. And she's like being put down into the police car, too. She's like, what the fuck? It's for the politicians. What do we need? Four death penalties. What are you going to do? Kill me four times? I think it's a South Park sketch or something. She was never charged with anything in the Peter Seams case, as his body was never recovered and therefore could not be confirmed as dead. After her trial, she was given a psychopathy checklist. Question number 12. The checklist is 20 questions, scoring either 0, 1, or 2, so the maximum of 40 points. What was Eileen's score?

Closest to the answer, we'll get 250 points. I mean, now this one, I'm going to give you 1,000, because it's 0 through 40. You got a 1 in 40 chance of nailing it. Yeah, so 1,000 points, we can tell me exactly what her score was. 0 through 40, 250 points to the closest. It's going to be game-changing.

Kim said 38. Monique said 32. 32. Price is right. It went a little lower. I like that move. Give Monique 1,000 points because Eileen Wuornos, when given the psychopathy checklist, scored a 32 out of 40 on the PCLR checklist. It's not fair because she's a psychologist, okay? I learned from the best. I learned from the best. Hey, listen. Every now and again, you get an advantage from the things you know. This has become one of the worst. So are you familiar then with the PCLR checklist? I am not. Okay. Well, that's what this is. The cutoff for psychopathy is 30, and therefore Eileen was well within the operation range of the psychopath.

This has become one of the highest scoring. Check you guys out. Like 1,500 to 2,250. That is combined. It might be the highest scores of the season. Just a couple of serial killer girls over here. Hey, yo. How you doing? I've got two questions left, too. I was going to say, is there a chance for Kim to come back? How far is she down? She's down by 750. No, I don't think so. Here's what I'll do. Here's what I'll do.

I will, let's see, 750, you said? Yeah, it's 2250 to 1500. Yeah, there's no way for me to like make it more interesting. Yeah, but a lot of times we just cheat to make it more interesting. Yeah, but that was still, that was excellent knockout blow on question 12, I think it was. Yeah, we still got some minutes here. So yes, I at least scored a 32 out of 40 on the PCLR checklist. Cut off again, was 30 for psychopathy. Well, within the range. We're going immediately here into question number 13, although it doesn't matter, it'll still be fun. In what year?

Was Eileen Wuornos executed? Was it 1995, 1996, 97, 98, 99, 2000, 01, 02, 03, or 04? So anytime between 95 and 04. And you might still want to answer because there's a running total. Oh, for sure answer. For sure answer. Yeah. I mean, you can phone it in if you wanted. You could coast. You're not going to lose points. All right. What do you think, Kim? You can say it out loud. I'm going to go B96. I'm going to go 98. 98.

No one would score any points on that one. It was late. It was like, I believe, 02. I was going to say, was it 02? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I guess, yeah, once you get sent in in the amount of years it takes for a tackle. So if you watch any of the interviews from Eileen while she was in prison, it seems so clear that she was just slowly continuing to lose her fucking mind. She appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court in 1996 and was denied. And in 2001, she wrote a letter to the Florida Supreme Court stating the fact that she was to dismiss her legal counsel and end all of her appeals. And in the letter, she stated, quote,

I killed those men, robbed them as cold as ice, and I'll do it again, too. There's no chance in keeping me alive or anything because I'd kill again. I have hate crawling through my system. I am so sick of hearing this she's crazy stuff. I've been evaluated so many times. I'm competent, sane, and I'm trying to tell the truth. I'm one who seriously hates human life and would kill again. In 2002, I... Does that sound like a Slipknot song? Yeah. I found the kill rise up in me. I'll do that shit again, trust me.

It was great. In 2002, Eileen began accusing the prison of poisoning her food with dirt, saliva, and urine. She claims to have overheard guards claiming they want to push her over the edge so that she kills herself before her execution. While yet other guards were overheard expressing their want to rape Eileen before the execution. This is all claimed by Eileen. She complained of everything under the sun.

From there on, all water pressure, being woken up constantly, strip searches, tight cuffs, etc. Weeks before her death, she had one last interview with Nick Broomfield, that's the one who did those two documentaries, in which she doubles back to the fact that she had been raped and the police let her become a serial killer. Additionally, she says that while at her holding prison, BCI, Broward Correctional Institute, they used sonic pressure on her head. She claims that every time she complained, they tried to make her look a little bit more nuts. So, I mean, whatever sonic pressure is. Like, frequencies played at a certain, or like tones played at a certain frequency. They just hit it with a brown note?

I mean, they had to do experiments to figure out where the brown note was. Oh, man. Yeah, I wish I should put like an Eileen clip up here or something like you guys gotta see at least if you don't watch the documentary It's just like look up a hot clip of her just talking. It's fucking nuts She's fucking I think I got one more like quote in here that you'll oh it is right. Okay So she said the cops she was doing all along They allowed her to keep going to clean up the streets of bad men But as soon as she cleaned up enough they arrested her and made her a serial killer as she's discussing with Nick She kind of snaps and says quote you sabotage my ass Society and the cops and the system a raped woman got executed was used for books and movies and shit Her final on-camera words were thanks a lot society for railroad my ass What she said was not untrue. A few officers who were on the initial case were forced to resign from their position after it came out that they had sold some of their inside information to be used in movies and books. On October 9, 2002, Eileen would be killed by lethal injection.

There are different stories on what was her last meal. Some say it was KFC chicken and fries with her sister. Others say that she declined a final meal and instead asked for a cup of coffee. While not spoken on camera, her final words were written down and for some reason told to the media after the execution. And I'm not sure whose idea it was to share this, but I swear, the fucking sheriff of Brevard County or whatever, who attends the execution and gives the final words. And Eileen had final words she would like to express. And I guess it's like, they do it for the press. I don't know if it's tradition, if it's law, or whatever. But this is like the one where I'd written down. It's my birthday, baby, smoke my butt. It would have been like, I would have written it and be like, all right, we're not going to do this one. But anyways, she said, quote,

They asked her, do you have any final words? And she said, quote, yes. I would just like to say I'm sailing with the rock and I'll be back like Independence Day with Jesus. June 6th, like the movie, big mothership and all. I'll be back. I'll be back. Yeah, so be on the lookout for Zombie Eileen Wuornos on June 6th of every year, I guess. Let's get a fucking thing going, huh? June 6th, Zombie Eileen Wuornos Day. It should be said that by the end she was out of her fucking mind, right? Like, I mean, I would...

You got the degree. You tell me. But it sounds like she's out of her fucking mind. I know you have to evaluate. But listen, I don't have to. She's out of her fucking mind. It should be said by the end, she's out of her mind. And I think that they try to push her execution pretty quickly. She was faster than, she was executed quicker than the average male is executed on death row in Florida. And the average female is executed almost two times slower than the average male. So it sounds like she got railroaded a little.

Fucking railroaded my ass. Just a little. I think that the rush to her execution, it may have actually been politically motivated by then Florida governor, Jeb Bush. Please clap. Eileen would be pronounced dead at 947 a.m. on that October day in 2002. Her body would be cremated and returned to Michigan and spread beneath a tree that meant a lot to her and her family. In Nick Broomfield's film, he interviews Eileen's birth mother and she seemingly shows no remorse for the life that she set up for her daughter. At the end of the interview, she asks Broomfield when the execution is and he tells her that it's just days away. She says that she will sleep better once it's done. Wow.

That's her birth mother who gave her up at four to turn into this. Right. She's like, well, I feel better when she's gone. Jesus, dude. At Eileen's request, a certain song was played at her funeral. The artist heard about this and was allowed to see an edit of the documentary and then allowed Nick Broomfield to use the song as an outro to the credits of this film as well. Question number 14. What song was it? Was it Joan Osborne's One of Us? You guys know that one? What if God was one of us? Natalie Merchant's Carnival. Have I been blind? No, you guys are young. Hearts, What About Love? Greg, you've seen that one before? What about love?

Or Stevie Nicks' Landslide, also covered by the Dixie Chicks. This particular would be Stevie Nicks' version. What song does she want to play at a funeral? One of Us, Carnival, What About Love, or Landslide? Kim says, Joan Osborne's One of Us. What do you think? I think What About Love. What about love? It was Natalie Merchant's Carnival. Have I been blind?

We'll play it for you guys. It's a good song. It is a good song. I listened to it last night. In fact, I was like, I should listen to that. It's a good song. Natalie saw the advanced copy of the film and allowed the use of her song and even gave a statement about the entire situation. She said, quote, when director Nick Broomfield sent a working editor of the film, I was so disturbed by the subject matter that I couldn't even watch it. Aileen Wuornos led a tortured, torturing life that is beyond my worst nightmares. It wasn't until I was told that Aileen spent many hours listening to my album Tiger Lily while on death row and requested Carnival be played at her funeral that I gave permission for the use of the song. It's very odd to think of the places my music can go once it leaves my hands, but if it gave her some solace, I have to be grateful for that.

So that's what we'll end it because Eileen is dead and there's nothing else more. End it with the words of Natalie Merchant. Right. Congratulations on your second half comeback, Monique. I also don't know if anybody's nailed a thousand point question this season. I think Clay did. Okay. Okay. Maybe so. Maybe so. But only two in the whole season so far. So we're like seven episodes deep. 14 questions per. You do the math because I ain't going to do it. That's 98. So.

Kim, do you want to say anything about being a big old loser today? I'm just so proud of my girl Monique. I knew she could do it. You know, you're more similar to your mother than you believe because when Clay kicked her ass, this is exactly what she said to him. I know, but mom's fake. I'm real. Edit that out. Nope. That stays. Well, I hope you guys had fun. We'd love to have you back again if you'd like. We've got lots to fill, so, you know, please come back. Hello, Greg. Anything fun?

No, I got nothing. Lonelyfanswith2zs.com. Yeah, do that shit. Monique, do you want to take a victory lap? Anything you'd like to share? Monique's going to have a victory shot. Snip, snap. Well, find us on all the social medias, you guys. We have t-shirts in the Threadless store. We have new sticker designs, which by the time you hear this should be in the sticker store. I took out everything, all the vintage stuff, guys, you can't get it anymore. It's gone. So if you didn't get it in the initial purchases or through the Patreon, I'm sorry, that stuff is officially discontinued. We have a very small collection here, but that's for us, and we're going to keep it and put them on very special things. Sorry you missed it. Like my phone and my refrigerator and a skateboard.

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