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Kingdom Keys for Business, Life & Work
by Gea Gort & Bill Job
Grow in your partnership with God in your daily life at work and in business. In this Business as Mission (BAM) podcast series you will discover keys together with Gea Gort and her co-host Bill Job. Their aim is to strengthen your partnership with God, to become professionally excellent and to be spiritual fruitful in your daily life at work. Bill speaks from 30 years experience as BAM-practitioner in China and shares how God transformed his ideas; the journey became much lighter. Gea and Bill also invite others to join the conversation. Get inspired through these candid talks about life and faith; about challenges and blessings. This bi-weekly podcast is connected to the online learning platform BAM Moves.com where you can find short and to-the-point course material rooted in real life.
Episodes
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“You’ll Go to the Nations—But Not the Way You Thought”
What if God wants to take you to the nations—but through business rather than traditional ministry? In this episode of Kingdom Keys for Business, Life & Work, Gea Gort and Bill Job talk with Monica Ahn, a Korean-Brazilian ordained pastor and entrepreneur living in California. After years of…
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Don’t Chase Your Calling—Walk With God
What if your business is not separate from your calling—but actually part of it? In this episode of Kingdom Keys for Business, Life & Work, Gea Gort and Bill Job talk with “Jacob,” a fifth-generation Dutch entrepreneur whose family has worked in the food industry for more than 125 years. As a...
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If God Owns It All, Why Do We Invest Like Everyone Else?
If we believe God owns it all, does that change the way we invest? In this episode of Kingdom Keys for Business, Life & Work, Gea Gort and Bill Job welcome Don Simmons, an investment professional with nearly 40 years of experience and author of The Steward Investor. Don shares how his…
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Creation Care: An Essential Part of God's Mission
What if caring for creation is not optional—but central to God's mission? In this episode of Kingdom Keys for Business, Life & Work, Gea Gort and Bill Job welcome Mark Polet—biologist, Business as Mission (BAM) leader, and passionate advocate for Creation Care. Mark shares his remarkable journey...
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How to Work With God Without Becoming Overwhelmed
How can busy entrepreneurs and leaders make space for people, their responsibilities—and God—without becoming overwhelmed? In this episode, Gea Gort continues her conversation with entrepreneur Bill Job about working with God rather than carrying every responsibility alone. Bill shares how he…
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God's Business Metric Isn't Profit—It's People | Bill Job
What if the most important business metric isn't profit—but people? After returning to China recently, Bill Job experienced a profound shift in how he sees leadership. Instead of focusing primarily on financial performance, God reminded him that He is interested first and foremost in people. In...
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Business as Worship: A Blueprint for City Transformation
What if business could become an act of worship—and a catalyst for transforming an entire city? In this inspiring conversation, Paul Unsworth shares the bigger vision that emerged from Kahaila, the coffee shop and social enterprise movement he started in the heart of East London. Drawing from the...
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What If Church Looked More Like a Coffee Shop?
What happens when a church starts looking more like a coffee shop than a Sunday service? In this episode of Kingdom Keys for Business, Life and Work, Gea Gort and Bill Job talk with Paul Unsworth, founder of Kahaila, a thriving café and community in East London that has become a powerful example…
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What If You Heard God Wrong? | Bill Job
What happens when you think you heard God clearly… but life turns out completely different? In this honest and deeply personal conversation, host Gea Gort sits down again with Bill Job to talk about disappointment, closed doors, wrong assumptions, and learning to trust God beyond outcomes.…
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What if the Church is suffering from “Spiritual ALS”?
In this thought-provoking episode, Bill Job explores a powerful metaphor: just as ALS disconnects the brain from the body, many believers live disconnected from the Head — Jesus Himself. Bill shares why hearing God’s voice is not reserved for a spiritual elite, but is meant to be a normal part of...
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More Than Food: Why Kids Need Play to Thrive
What if play isn’t a luxury—but a key to a child’s future? In this episode, Bill Job and I sit down with Ferdi van den Bergh to explore a different side of his journey—far beyond business in the Netherlands. This time, we dive into his heart for children in Uganda and the story behind Tjeko, a...
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The Gold in Your Team | Ferdi van den Bergh
What if the real “gold” in your business isn’t your strategy… but your people? In this episode, we sit down with Ferdi van den Bergh to explore a powerful shift in leadership: from managing performance to discovering hidden value in the people around you. Ferdi shares insights from his upcoming...
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How to Hear God in Business | With Jonathan Brake & Bill Job
What happens when business stops being just about profit and starts becoming a place of discipleship, pastoral care, and listening to God? In this second conversation with Jonathan Brake, we go deeper into what it means to build a disciple-making business. Jonathan shares from his work coaching...
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He Lost His Business — But Not His Calling
What happens when the business you poured your heart into suddenly comes to an end — and you are left not only with uncertainty, but also with shame? In this honest and hope-filled episode, we sit down with Kingdom-minded leader Jonathan Brake to talk about the personal impact of losing his...
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How to Start a Faith-Driven Venture Fund
In this episode of Kingdom Keys for Business, Life and Work, we continue the conversation with Leen de Bruyne—entrepreneur, author of 'Building a Startup Without Going Crazy, and founder of the Living Hope venture capital fund. Leen shares how a clear sense of calling led him to start Living…
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How to Build a Startup Without Losing Your Soul
Christian entrepreneur burnout is real. How do you build a startup without losing your identity, your faith, or your soul? In this episode, Leen de Bruyne shares how startup success led to anxiety and burnout—and how rediscovering his identity in Christ changed the way he builds, leads, and…
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What It Means to Trust God When Business Hurts
What do you do when a business that should work… doesn’t? After years of seeing God’s tangible involvement in business overseas, Bill Job shares what happened when he started a company in the U.S. — and the results were very different. No quick wins. No obvious favor. Just losses, questions, and…
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Joyful Fasting 2: 58 Days Sustained by God
What does it mean to be sustained by God? After a 58-day fast, Bill shares, “The Lord has been feeding me. This wasn’t about willpower or heroics—Jesus is the hero.” In this episode, Bill reflects on joyful fasting, abiding in Christ, and how deeper dependence on God brought clarity, peace, and...
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Joyful Fasting: Seeking God’s Kingdom in Business Challenges
In this episode, Gea and Bill explore fasting in a business context as a way of seeking spiritual breakthrough rather than mere self-discipline. Bill shares how he first learned fasting after feeling rebuked for prioritizing an all-night hobby project over all-night prayer with employees. He then...
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When People Become the Adversity
In this podcast episode, Gea and Bill discuss how to thrive amid adversity, especially when opposition comes from people rather than circumstances. Using Psalm 23, Bill reframes faith as life within a kingdom at war, not a place of constant peace. He explains how misunderstanding this leads to...
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Blending Playful Faith and Best Practices
This episode explores how best practices and spiritual insight can work together rather than compete. Bill shares stories from business, while Gea shares from her role as leader of Business as Mission (BAM) Netherlands, how prayer, prophetic insight, and “God downloads” strengthen rational...
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Building Kingdom Culture: Leading with Eternity in View
Gea Gort talks with Bill Job about building a kingdom culture in business, where eternal values shape everyday decisions. Through powerful stories—hiring beggars, honoring every employee, prayer, and practicing the “400-year rule”—Bill shares how an eternal mindset transforms leadership, company...
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From Prayer to Practical Solutions
In this podcast episode, we explore how people can receive practical guidance from God in their everyday work. Bill Job shares that he first noticed unexpected ideas coming to him and later found biblical examples, such as God giving detailed instructions for the tabernacle. He describes...
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John Cobb; From Success to Sonship
In this podcast, Gea and Bill speak with John Cobb, who is the founder of an engineering software company serving U.S. auto dealerships. Passionate about cars and technology, he describes himself as a “visionary Christian technology entrepreneur.” John shares how worldly success had left him…
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Spiritual Battle in Business: Release Justice and Love Your Enemies
In this episode, Bill shares his experience of facing life-threatening danger while starting a business in China. He hired a man he trusted from a Bible study, only to discover this person had a dangerous past and threatened his family. This experience reshaped his understanding of discipleship:...
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Stephany & Armando. Part 2. Architecture in Ethiopia
Stephanie and Armando Rojas shifted from traditional missions to business-driven impact in Africa. In the last episode, they shared how they initially aimed for missional NGO work in Somalia, but felt guided to a more strategic approach, exploring business opportunities to create sustainable...
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Stephany & Armando Rojas. Part 1. A Shift in Perspective.
Tune in to Stephany and Armando Rojas' journey. In this first episode with this couple from Costa Rica, they share their backgrounds as pastors' kids and how God disrupted their missionary plans when they were missionaries in Somalia. Gently asking them to lay down their dreams, and to consider a...
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Bread to the World: Erik van Otten’s Vision for Global Impact
In this podcast, Eric van Otten encourages listeners to act in faith on the opportunities God places in their hearts. Eric is a Dutch baker who runs a multi-generational bakery with 140 employees, producing natural, additive-free bread. He loves sharing Jesus' love with the people he meets…
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How can Prophecy have a Role in Business?
A thought-provoking exchange between business leader Bill Job and prophet Sander Wuister about the role of prophecy in business. Sander regularly prays for businesses and (business)leaders. Bill shares his experiences in this area and why he decided to have a prophet as a business consultant on…
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Should You Hire Christians? Rethinking Work Ethic.
Do Christians make good employees? "Some are excellent," shares Bill Job from experience, "But many business owners share with me that Christians can be lousy workers." Why is this? Bill and Gea discuss the meaning of grace and some worldviews that hinder us from experiencing our job as a…
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Pauline Skeates: Creating Safe Spaces for Breakthrough
In this episode, the discussion explores the integration of worship and spiritual practices into business, emphasizing that aligning with God in business can lead to improved problem-solving and greater peace, even amid challenges. Bill and Gea talk with Pauline Skeates, a therapist and…
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Embracing Place in Business as Mission
This episode examines the importance of place in Business as Mission, as people may be led to specific locations by God for His purposes. Gea and Bill share personal stories of discovering God's calling through their experiences in different places, and discuss practical ways to embrace and love…
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Emmie van Halder's Journey of Faith and Entrepreneurship
In this podcast, Bill and Gea talk with serial entrepreneur Emmie van Halder. Emmie shares her life's journey of blending business and faith. Over the past ten years, faith and work have become inseparable for her, but this integration wasn't always the case. In her youth, she joined Youth With A...
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Kitty Job: The Perspective of a Spouse on their BAM Adventure in China
Kitty and Bill Job share their journey of starting a business in China, initially expecting to be traditional missionaries but instead becoming involved in a business venture. The couple discusses their various roles in the company, the impact of prayer, and how their business has become an...
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When Plans Fail: Finding Strength and Purpose in Hard Times
In this episode, Bill and Gea discuss thriving in the face of adversity. Bill shares how he saw God's faithfullness while running a company in China, but not all situations ended successfully. Like the closure of a factory due to an unexpected economic downturn and the emotional difficulty it...
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SEVI: Revolutionizing Small Shop Financing in Africa
In this episode Gea and Bill talk with Walter aan de Wiel, a Dutch entrepreneur who co-founded SEVI, a business providing stock financing to small shops in Kenya and other developing countries. These small shops, often no larger than a square meter, struggle with the lack of credit and must pay...
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From Burnout to Breakthrough: Michiel’s Journey Back to Purpose and Calling
In this episode, Michiel shares his journey of how his first love was reignited—his relationship with God and a renewed sense of purpose. Having once built a business rooted in faith but ultimately burning out, Michiel speaks candidly about the challenges of maintaining spiritual clarity amid the...
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How the Worlds of Business and Ministry Can Work Together
In this episode, Matt Wagner continues to share his experiences of integrating ministry and business. Building on his previous story, he elaborates on his journey as a business and church leader. Matt refers to the five-fold ministry model, which links the church’s structure to the human body…
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Bridging the Gap: Uniting Church and Business for God's Kingdom
Matt Wagner believes that the future of ministry involves blending the realms of church and business to fulfill God’s calling in new and transformative ways. He shares his journey of learning to embrace both his talents in church leadership and business entrepreneurship. Matt felt a calling to...
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God’s Hand in Business: A Vision for Kingdom Impact in Iraq
Hana is a business owner in Iraq. He has a desire to create networks of Christian entrepreneurs in his home country, and to develop projects that provide jobs and support ministries. In this podcast he shares his journey into business. Hana was raised in a Catholic family and experienced a…
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A Journey of Resilience: Overcoming Adversity in Business
Bill recounts a journey of entrepreneurial resilience amidst adversity, starting with a small business venture in China. Despite challenges like political tensions and losing his first business partner, he persisted. Through faith and innovation, he diversified into stained glass and later...
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Intellectual Humility, Childlike Trusts and the Kingdom Journey
This episode with Bill Job encourages listeners to embrace a childlike attitude, characterized by trust, openness to learning, and a playful approach to challenges, which can lead to deeper spiritual growth and connection with God. Bill shares his journey of recognizing the limitations of his own...
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Discovering God in the Workplace; His Amazing Personality
In this episode Bill shares how his initial perspective of God as a distant authority, changed through personal experiences that revealed God’s warm, engaging personality. One key moment was calculating the miracle of turning water into wine, which highlighted God’s celebration and relational...
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Bringing Jobs and Hope; Expanding a Coffee Business to Empower Farmers in Asia
In this podcast Gea talks with Eric and Annebeth, a couple from the Netherlands, who are moving to Asia to expand a coffee business aimed at helping local farmers. While preparing for their move, they decided to work together with the mission organization Interserve, which supports people…
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Bart Kuijpers: Co-Founder of Coolblue and His Faith-Fueled Journey
Bart Kuijpers, co-founder of Coolblue, highlights the importance of integrating faith into entrepreneurship. In this conversation, Bart shares how Coolblue was launched in 1999, starting with selling MP3 players online. With a strong emphasis on excellent service and delighting customers…
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Stepping into God’s Theodrama as Wounded Healers in the Marketplace
In this episode, Gea, Bill and Mats Tunehag (Chairman of BAM Global) discuss the concept of Business as Mission and the realities of being “wounded healers” in the marketplace. Mats emphasizes that personal struggles, whether betrayals or depression, are not disqualifiers but part of a deeper...
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Mats Tunehag: The Global Impact of Business as Mission (BAM)
In this podcast episode, Gea Gort, Bill Job, and Mats Tunehag discuss the global Business as Mission (BAM) movement. The movement’s foundation was shaped by global think tanks involving business people, theologians, and church leaders, resulting in over 35 reports exploring various BAM-related...
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Biblical Truths Come Alive; The Power of Imagination
In this episode, Gea Gort and Bill Job explore the role of imagination in deepening one’s spiritual journey and relationship with God. Bill shares his experiences of engaging with scripture through imaginative visualization; as a tool to perceive spiritual realities. He recounts practical…
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Overcoming Worry; Shifting to a Kingdom Perspective
This episode, titled "Do Not Worry," explores teachings from the Sermon on the Mount, focusing on the idea that Jesus' commands should be viewed as directives rather than suggestions. Bill Job emphasizes that worrying is not just a personal issue but something that displeases God, hindering...
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Beyond Prayer: Cultivating an Ongoing Conversation with God
In this episode, Bill and Gea discuss personal relationships with God, focusing on the importance of communication and listening. They refer to the biblical image of God as a shepherd who knows each sheep by name, as seen in John 10. Bill shares his thoughts on hearing God's voice, emphasizing…
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
Grow in your partnership with God in your daily life at work and in business. In this Business as Mission (BAM) podcast series you will discover keys together with Gea Gort and her co-host Bill Job. Their aim is to strengthen your partnership with God, to become professionally excellent and to be spiritual fruitful in your daily life at work. Bill speaks from 30 years experience as BAM-practitioner in China and shares how God transformed his ideas; the journey became much lighter. Gea and Bill also invite others to join the conversation. Get inspired through these candid talks about life and faith; about challenges and blessings. This bi-weekly podcast is connected to the online learning platform BAM Moves.com where you can find short and to-the-point course material rooted in real life.
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