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AI-powered recruiting has so much potential, yet job seekers, recruiters, and executives remain frustrated. This massive $100+ billion market is filled with AI systems that work very well, yet as you’ll hear, this market is still immature. Not only are job seekers increasingly frustrated with their difficulty finding a job, employers are complaining that they’re flooded with fraudulent resumes. And last week we learned in the WSJ that the North Korean government is using AI-fueled recruiting to place fraudulent candidates right into our IT departments. Plus this week I also found out that the off-the-shelf LLMs are biased toward candidates who “slop” their resumes with their particular technology. ZipRecruiter and other firms found that only about 18% of active job seekers say they feel good about their overall job search and 47% said they were ghosted, and only about 27% feel confident they’ll find a job. What a mess. As I explain in this podcast, AI is not a panacea to solve this problem. Additional Information The Talent Acquisition Revolution: How AI is Transforming Recruiting HR 2030: How AI Superagents Transform HR From Service Delivery to Dynamic Business Enablement Learn about AI in HR: The Global HR Excellence Certification Get Galileo: The Recruiter and HR professional AI Superagent  

Today I discuss Workday and the potential Silver Lake buyout, Meta’s personal AI strategy and it’s potential for business, update on Galileo, and our new research on frontline work. Most of today’s podcast is “analyst perspectives” but lots of direction is now clear. The GHRE Global HR Excellence masterclass starts in September: if you want a 12 week in-depth “Masters Degree” level dive into HR, talent, leadership, and AI (with hands-on and new tools), as well as business school level case studies, join us! (Sign up here.) Additional Information Mark Zuckerberg blog on personal AI The Business of Frontline: Five Types Of Frontline Work Galileo Suite: HR Intelligence For You, Your Employees, and Your Company       Chapters (00:00:00) - Sliver Lake vs. Workday: Going Private(00:03:10) - Mark Zuckerberg on Facebook's AI(00:09:38) - The Future of HR Data: Galileo and the AI Assistant(00:12:22) - McKinsey & Company: Trusting Our Research(00:14:45) - The Business of Frontline Work

The job market is changing in unpredictable ways. Human Resources, a profession often considered optional and filled with bureaucracy, has been a target for AI disruption. Yet when you look at the numbers, HR job postings are growing faster than overall US employment. (details here.) What’s happening and why this strange trend? As I discuss in this podcast, we’re now seeing the Superworker effect at scale: HR teams are shifting from administrative to strategic work, now driving direct financial value. And as HR teams learn to use AI, they’re now playing a huge role in organizational change, job redesign, and AI enablement. I share all the data and give you the perspective. For more plan to read our new book Superpowered, coming out this Fall. Additional Information Despite Massive AI Investment, Jobs In HR Are Booming Why AI Harm To Jobs and Humanity are Vastly Over-Hyped Get Galileo, The AI Agent Designed Exclusively for HR and Leadership The Josh Bersin Institute: Global HR Excellence Certification – Available Now! Chapters (00:00:00) - The Job Market for Human Resources(00:08:37) - Will AI Change Your HR Jobs?(00:12:54) - The Impact of HR 2030 on the Job

As AI experts leave Google and new startups emerge, engineers are consumed with Superintelligence: building models that can reason, learn, and capture “all the world’s knowledge.” While model evolution is important, I believe we’re going in a different direction: toward vertical, domain and company specific AI that exponentially builds proprietary (not general) knowledge. In this podcast, I explain why the next wave of enterprise value will come from these specialized, domain-specific systems built on proprietary knowledge and experience. And this will take place within your company, as well as from experts like us. Drawing on our new research with Galileo and client work, I’m convinced that AI systems will become powerful advisors in HR, finance, supply chain, engineering, and other business functions… and you will have your own personal and company specific AI, forcing Frontier vendors to move to consumer. Frontier labs are not going away: they serve consumer and other needs, but they may not be the ultimate source of innovation. And big content companies like NY Times and News Corp may go there or elsewhere. It’s fascinating to think that almost $2 Trillion has been invested in only four years and this market has so much room to grow. In the enterprise world, I believe AI is already able to make you “better at what you’re already good at,” not necessarily be “the expert at everything.” It has lots of implications for your tech strategy and where you focus your investments. Additional Information Are Frontier Models Becoming A Commodity? CFOs and CIOs Starting to Treat Enterprise AI Like Traditional Technology, And That’s Good Get Galileo: The AI Superagent for Everything HR and Management The New Global HR Excellence Certification: Become the AI Guru You Want To Be! Chapters (00:00:00) - The Future of Human Resource Management(00:10:14) - Steve Ballentine: The AI Vertical

The word of the decade is “Agency” – giving each of us the power, tools, and opportunity to do what we want with our life, jobs, and careers. This new buzzword, now one of the top memes in politics, has been coming for many years. In this podcast I discuss the 50+ year of history in the “decoupling” of workers from companies, and how our newfound AI-powered Agency brings benefits and risks. As you’ll hear, young people see Agency and freedom as a foundational part of their long life ahead, while companies struggle with “how much freedom” to offer. And for frontline employers, the ability to attract and retain our highly “agent” workers is now a source of competitive advantage. This podcast begins the discussion, and we’ll be talking much more about this as we launch our new Business of Frontline research and upcoming book Superpowered this Fall. I welcome your feedback and stories on how your newfound AI-fueled Agency has changed your life, career, and talent strategy. Background Information The Great Decoupling: How Workers Became Disconnected From Companies And AI Will Accelerate This Trend (Main article) The Worker-Company Bond Is Breaking In The ‘Great Decoupling’ (Forbes) Our New Book: Superpowered, Launching in Fall All the Worst People Seem to Want to Be ‘High Agency’ (NYT opinion) Are you High-Agency or Low Agency?  (ChatGPT) Chapters (00:00:00) - The Need for More Agency in Work Employment(00:06:43) - Employers and the Need for High-Agility Work(00:12:30) - The End of Agency at News Corp(00:14:01) - In the Age of AI, Diversity Programs

The word “intelligence” is a loaded word. Here’s what Elon Musk said to the Economist last week: “I think AI may exceed the sum of human intelligence in around five years. There really won’t be anything that AI can’t do better than humans, apart from being human, perhaps.” Well “being human” is what intelligence is all about. So I read up on how Aristotle, Descartes, Kant, James, and many of the eastern philosophers define the term. And what you find is that deep thinkers define intelligence far beyond the ability to recall and use facts, but focus heavily on judgement, problem solving, and dealing with uncertainties in life. So after thinking about this for a few years, I decided to posit my ideas, and also reflect on the intelligence of trees, as described in “The Hidden Life of Trees.” What I came up with is four parts to this puzzling idea: horsepower, information, judgement, and wisdom. And as you’ll hear, we all have various levels of intelligence in each area, and AI may lack quite a bit. As we all grapple with the exaggerated claims from AI engineers and the real use of these tools, I hope this discussion gives you some perspective, and also calms your fears that AI is going to steal your job. Our new book, Superpowered, is coming out in November, so sign up for early preview – it’s all about how AI Superpowers us all, in our work, careers, businesses, and life. Additional Information The Hidden Life of Trees: What They Feel, How They Communicate—Discoveries from A Secret World The full-length interview with Elon Musk | The Economist Are Frontier Models Becoming A Commodity? Galileo: The AI Superintelligence for HR Chapters (00:00:00) - What is Intelligence?(00:10:02) - Does an AI Have Enough Intelligence to Plan?

New names: Kimi K3, Llama, Nemotron, Mistral, Cohere, Deepseek, Phi-4 – these are just a few of the fast-growing open source models from major AI providers. These systems threaten the business models and financial plans of OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, and X.ai. They perform at levels close to Frontier models and the can run up to five-times cheaper on a variety of hardware platforms. What is the disruptive impact of these open source LLMs and how does this impact your AI investments? As you’ll hear in the podcast, Open Source unleashes the opportunity for lower cost AI solutions and more vertical, specialized, application-focused solutions we need. And the business model for these systems moves away from the massive investments of the Frontier providers. The result is more complicated than “open means control.” Model tuning, performance, and optimization could be in your future – as AI moves from a platform to a true layered product set we can use as we need. Lots to learn about here, let us know if you have any questions. Additional Information What’s the difference between closed, open source, and open-weight AI? A researcher explains What Is Open-Weights A.I.? Comparison of Open Source Models Chapters (00:00:00) - Open Source and the AI Industry(00:11:46) - The Future of AI Is Fully Integrated(00:15:35) - HR 2030

SharkNinja is one of the most fascinating, innovative, high-performing companies I’ve seen. Elizabeth Norberg, the People and Culture leader, is also one of the most interesting CHROs I’ve met. So with that introduction, I urge you to take some time to listen. There’s a lot to learn here, but overall this is a story about a company and set of people strategies that work together to accelerate growth, with a strong and vital focus on individual performance, innovation, problem-solving, and carefully designed organizational support. Think about brands like Nike, L’Oreal, Apple, or others you love. It’s very difficult for a consumer products company to grow quickly and stay relevant as market, trends, and technologies change. Well as you’ll hear, SharkNinja is both a marketing, problem-solving, and engineering company, and the people and culture strategy accelerates this formula. I know everyone will learn a lot from Elizabeth’s narrative, and please stay to the end – in the last five minutes Elizabeth details the company’s AI innovation process, which every company is facing. Finally, as you’ll hear, Elizabeth is a seasoned HR leader but she is still learning and demonstrates humility and creativity in her challenge to accelerate growth in a rocket-ship company with over $5 billion in revenue and very ambitious plans for the future. Additional Information SharkNinja YouTube Page – you’ll see what they do. CEO Mark Barrocas Describes SharkNinja’s Strategy Why Are Some Companies More Dynamic Than Others? Irresistible: The Seven Secrets To The World’s Most Enduring Companies Chapters (00:00:00) - Meet Elizabeth Norberg, Head of HR at Shark Ninja(00:04:55) - What Is the People Strategy at Honeywell?(00:06:20) - Describing the Company's outrageously extraordinary culture(00:13:29) - The People Strategy(00:14:59) - The culture of speed(00:21:40) - Exploring the culture at Sharknage(00:26:54) - In the Elevator With Mark Cuban(00:30:52) - Top Executives: The Culture of Microsoft(00:34:42) - A Few Words from Shark Ninja's CHRO(00:37:14) - A Masterclass in Partnership with Shark Ninja(00:38:25) - Shark Ninja's 5 Key Priorities for AI Transformation

This week we learned of OpenAI’s Jailbreak security breach, which opens the door to many new issues with enterprise AI and HR 2030. This week, following up on the introduction of SHL’s Superworker AI assessment, I dig into the implications of this new AI behavior and discuss the five major “skills” or capabilities we need to build AI mastery among business users. As you’ll hear, AI Agents are both powerful and useful, but our human skills in problem solving, collaboration, and risk awareness are now becoming critical for success. New research also shows that even AI forward deployed engineers need deeper skills in business, stakeholder management, and risk analysis than we ever realized. As you listen to this if you need help with our own AI business capabilities please contact us. Galileo and the new GHRE masterclass certification program are designed to quickly give you and your team the experience and skills you need to flourish in this new world of AI, agents, and Superwork. Additional Information OpenAI says its AI went rogue and launched ‘unprecedented’ cyber-attack The Josh Bersin Institute, HR 2030, And The Global HR Excellence Certification Our New Book: Superpowered®, coming this Fall.     Chapters (00:00:00) - The Need for AI Safety(00:03:22) - What are the Skills required to Excel in the AI Era?(00:12:09) - Agile AI and its Agentic HR(00:15:47) - Galileo: New version coming soon, and more

SHL, one of the pioneers in industrial and psychological assessment, has now built a new instrument to assess an individual’s readiness for AI. Sara Gutierrez, Chief Science Officer at SHL, explains how SHL is addressing this challenge. Drawing on SHL’s 45-plus years of talent intelligence and behavioral science and a large study of millions of data points, Sara introduces a skills model built on four factors – AI literacy, analytical thinking, continuous learning, and AI promotion – that together define who is truly ready to become a superworker – any employee who uses AI to elevate their work to create more impact and have more meaningful work. The conversation is full of grounding data. Across more than one million assessments, SHL found that graduates and early career workers know how to use AI tools but not necessarily how to use them well, while seasoned professionals show strong contextual judgment but struggle to reimagine solutions from scratch. Neither generation arrives superworker-ready and each needs help to develop the superworker readiness. And it’s not technical skills that differentiate superworkers from the rest. Powerskills – those durable human skills, like adaptability, critical thinking, and learning orientation – predict who will thrive as AI reshapes every role, and every worker can develop them. The proof is in a real case: a media and telecommunications company used SHL’s AI readiness model to de-risk an AI transformation. Enthusiasm for AI was high, but gaps in applying it responsibly – using guardrails, exercising judgment on outputs – were putting success at risk. The assessment gave leaders something they rarely have: a data-backed, actionable development plan to help all employees thrive. Employees welcomed the personalized recommendations. The lesson, as Sara puts it, is that leaders must frame the assessment not as evaluative but as developmental and supportive – because with 70% of employees not trusting that their employer knows how to use AI responsibly, trust is the whole game. Related Resources Let’s Stop Talking About Soft Skills: They’re PowerSkills Podcast: How To Become An AI Pacesetter: Superworker Explained – article Galileo Learn: The Superworker Organization: AI Goes Enterprise (certificate course) Research: The Superworker Organization: AI Goes Enterprise Research: AI Pacesetters: Six Secrets of the Superworker Company New book: Superpowered, coming this Fall Chapters (00:00:03) - What Works: The Future of Talent and Work(00:00:54) - What is the role of the Chief Science Officer at SHL?(00:02:49) - WSJD Live: The Need for Reskilling(00:03:53) - Will AI Make Hiring and Promotion Decisions Easier?(00:05:05) - WSJDLive: The Need for AI Talent(00:08:56) - The Super Worker(00:16:09) - What gets in the way of a company applying this super worker profile(00:18:19) - WSJDLive: AI Workforce Assessment(00:22:21) - The Future of the Super Worker(00:23:45) - What's next for SHL in AI readiness and leadership?(00:26:22) - What Works: The AI Superworker

It’s a strange time: the economy and capital markets are booming, yet worker engagement is as low as it was during the pandemic. It’s a strange combination of events: stock market at all time highs while affordability and trust are at all time lows. Have we over-inflated our economy or is it something more systemic. As I discuss in my latest article, some of the challenges we face have been building for many years, while others are very recent. We live in a world of growing automation, fear of job loss, yet an extraordinary world of new health, business, and creative opportunities. And young people are the most pessimistic of all. Is it just the “chaos of change” that’s causing the issue? In today’s podcast I explain the factors and give you, as a business or HR leader, some advice on what to do. Additional Background Affordability Is Not Just Inflation: It’s Time For A Historic Shift In Wages. Worker engagement just hit a decade low — and new data from 88 million employees shows why managers are the problem AI Prices Are Going Up, Up, Up – And What This Means For Enterprise AI Conflicts are on the rise globally, at the highest level since WWII, data shows There’s Another Reason Gen Z Can’t Find Work Chapters (00:00:00) - Employee Engagement and Trust in Companies(00:06:07) - Wage stagnation and what can we do about it(00:11:08) - Employee Experience in the AI Era(00:12:28) - IBM's Core(00:18:17) - More Focus on Frontline Work

Today Eightfold launched its AI Candidate Agent, so I wanted to explain how the multi-agent world of HR 2030 is coming together. In this podcast I explain what Eightfold is up to and how multi-agent AI systems are now starting to sweep across talent acquisition, particularly in high-volume recruiting. And it’s more complex, interesting, and valuable than you may think. This article explains the market and business case in more detail, and we encourage you to read about HR 2030 to see where this exciting world is going. Additional Information The Talent Acquisition Revolution: How AI is Transforming Recruiting Interview with Ashutosh Garg, Co-Founder & CEO of Eightfold.ai and Viven.ai HR 2030, The Josh Bersin Institute, And Galileo Chapters (00:00:00) - Interviewing With the Candidate Agent(00:01:46) - Is the Candidate Agent Also an Internal Candidate Agent?(00:09:17) - HR in 2030: The Super Agent(00:20:19) - AI in Talent Acquisition: Announcement

Over the last few years we’ve experienced a global affordability and income inequality problem and there are a myriad of policy issues at play. Yet at the same time something else is going on: wages and employee earnings have fallen way behind growth in GDP, profits, and productivity. What gives? In this podcast, and the related article, I discuss how pay practices are changing and how we, as leaders or HR professionals, have a lot of agency to help address this situation. Without wading into politics, we have clear research on the way that pay operates as an “investment” not an expense, and how high performing companies actually reward their workers in exceptional ways. It’s a complex topic and one that’s about to become more “systemic” and real-time with AI, so consider this some background to give you food for thought as more and more employees demand raises and accommodations for the high cost of living. Additional Background Why Has Cost of Living Become The #1 Issue In The US? It’s More Complex Than Inflation The Rise of the Supermanager Benchmark Your Pay Practices With Galileo: The AI Superagent for HR Chapters (00:00:00) - Compensation and Income inequality(00:10:17) - Pay and the AI challenge(00:12:39) - Three Things About Pay(00:16:24) - Employee pay and the future

All organizations, whether they are profit-seeking companies, non-profits, or governments, have politics. And the issues of how we make decisions, the role of top-down vs. bottoms-up governance, and how we empower people to speak up… these are existential topics in any group of people. As the USA celebrates its 250 year anniversary and we read so many articles about our history, I wanted to reflect on what our political history teaches us about business leadership, governance, and employee empowerment. For those of you who study political science, I admire your craft and I think we have a lot to share. Additional Information The World Is Accelerating: What Has Changed About Leadership? Organization Design: The Real Secret To Growth The Big Reset Playbook: Organizational Culture & Performance     Chapters (00:00:00) - Lessons from the United States(00:10:33) - The American culture of accountability and forgiveness

What if every talent process you ran was AI-enabled — not to replace what you do, but to make you superhuman at it? That’s exactly how Matt Hoffman, Head of Talent and Partner at venture capital firm M13, operates. In this episode Matt explains how his team uses AI to help early-stage founders build a talent-first culture from day one – across recruiting, compensation, coaching, and beyond. The results are remarkable. Using tools like Findem for AI-powered sourcing, Matt’s team can pinpoint candidates who didn’t just work at the right company — they worked there at exactly the right stage of company growth. That’s a level of targeting precision that data accuracy and explainability make possible, and that simply wasn’t achievable before AI. But here is where Matt’s perspective gets truly compelling. AI is often framed as a speed tool, a way to do things faster and more efficiently. Matt pushes back hard on that narrative: AI should make your hiring better, not just quicker. And in the startup world, that distinction is everything.  Every hire at a 10-person company changes the organization by 10% — so getting it right matters far more than getting it done. That is the essence of talent density: finding exactly the right people for where your company is and where it needs to go, rather than simply finding people fast. His advice to HR and talent leaders is as practical as it is powerful: fall in love with the problem, not the solution. Start with the outcome you need to achieve, then let technology enable it — never the other way around. If you have ever wondered what a truly AI-augmented talent strategy looks like when it is built with intention, depth, and relentless focus on talent density, this one’s for you. Related resources Podcast: Why AI Is A Massive Job Creation Technology. Automated Integration. Findem. And Thank You. Podcast: Understanding Talent Density And Ditching Integrated Talent Management Research: Insights-First AI: Better and Explainable People Decisions Research: The Talent Acquisition Revolution: How AI is Transforming Recruiting Research: How To Create Talent Density     Chapters (00:00:04) - What Works: The Future of Talent(00:00:55) - What is the role of Head of Talent at Talented M13(00:03:11) - How to Leverage AI in Your Portfolio Companies(00:09:45) - Finding the Right Talent for a Startup(00:14:18) - Talent First: How to Use AI in Companies(00:16:56) - What's AI Impact on Talent Practices?(00:18:35) - WSJDLive: Using AI in HR(00:20:02) - How AI can help HR in the Talent Life Cycle(00:23:01) - What Works With Talent: Matt Hoffman

This week Korn Ferry announced the $1.1 Billion acquisition of AMS, one of the leading providers of enterprise recruitment outsourcing. As I overview in this podcast, this deal demonstrates several things: First, the talent acquisition space has become enormously important and is rapidly changing with AI, demographic changes, and internal productivity initiatives. AMS has become a global leader in recruitment process outsourcing and TA advisory work, leading to the $1.1 Billion valuation. AMS’s product AMS One is one of the only tech platforms that integrates almost every recruiting technology into one operational view, enabling AMS and clients to monitor, tune, and optimize all areas of recruiting in one place. Second, Korn Ferry, as a leader in executive search and talent management services (including training offerings), sees enormous synergies and can add AMS’s revenue and $1.5 Billion backlog to their financial strength. While KF was not growing much, this now gives the company a new growth platform – including the opportunity to use AMS’s global service centers for other offerings. This podcast is an overview of the deal, we’ll publish more after we get a briefing from KF’s management team. Additional Information History of Korn Ferry Acquisitions The Talent Acquisition Revolution: How AI Is Transforming Recruitment The Josh Bersin Institute Global HR Excellence Certification (inaugural cohort starts in September) Understanding Agentic HR In Detail: The HR 2030 Vision and Architecture       Chapters (00:00:00) - Korn Ferry vs AMS Merger Explained

Today I overview why the Frontier AI vendors are changing as they compete for revenue and how that opens new doors for corporate AI solutions. Remember, your personalization of the technology is more important than the model itself. Then I discuss our new HR 2030 architectural research and how rules, policies, and security are so important in this new world of Agentic HR. It’s a new world and all focused on “Dynamic Enablement for Growth.” Additional Information AI As Fuel For Organizational Change: The Biggest Market Of All Are Frontier Models Becoming A Commodity? HR 2030: The Reference Blueprint for Agentic HR (sign up for info) HR 2030 New Course in Galileo Learn The Global HR Excellence Certification (GHRE) Get Galileo: The AI Superagent for HR Chapters (00:00:00) - HR 2030: The AI Marketplace(00:04:33) - The AI That Will Be Embedded in Your Glasses(00:07:41) - HR 2030: A reference architecture for the technology(00:09:37) - An Agent's role in the Company(00:18:38) - The third layer of an AI agent(00:21:16) - The Purpose of AI: Why Are We Here?(00:23:58) - Employers' HR Vision 2030

Sana Learning is a revolutionary product in the $400 Billion L&D market. Today I sat down with Rita Azevedo, Director of Client Engagement at Sana, to talk about everything. What is AI-native learning, how does Sana Learning fit into Workday’s strategy, and how do companies like Polestar, Rolls Royce, Travelers, and others revolutionize L&D with Sana. And most of important of all, we get Rita’s perspective on the reinvention of L&D, which we call “Dynamic Enablement for Growth.” As you’ll hear, AI-native learning platforms like Sana can totally transform training teams, turning them into “business enablement” functions working directly in the business. We discuss how Polestar has done this in detail. Rita is an experienced L&D leader (having lead training at Klarna) and has worked at Sana since the company had only 30 employees, so she has a wealth of knowledge and experience in AI transformation in L&D. PS: We are customers of Sana (Galileo Learn is built on Sana, and our new Global HR Excellence Certification is built on Sana), so we can speak to its features in detail if you’re interested. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the Podcast and Guest 01:44 The Revolution in Learning and Development 03:30 Sana’s Position in the Learning Market 05:53 Understanding Sana Learning’s Unique Features 07:08 The Future of Learning: Proactive vs. Reactive 09:11 Case Study: Polestar’s Learning Approach 12:47 User Experience and Integration in Learning 14:07 The Role of AI Tutors in Learning 16:07 Dynamic Skills Assessment in Learning 18:42 The Shift in L&D Responsibilities 21:35 Empowering Subject Matter Experts 24:25 Managing Content Creation and Quality 27:18 The Future of Learning and Change Management 31:02 Advice for Organizations Exploring Learning Solutions   Additional Information The AI Native Revolution in Corporate Learning (research) Our new Corporate Learning Maturity Model HR 2030: The New Role, Operating Model, and Tech Stack for HR Get Galileo: Experience Sana Yourself! Chapters (00:00:00) - Meet Rita Azevedo from sana(00:02:16) - SANAA's Take on Learning & Development(00:04:26) - Sauna Learning: Workday Learning Powered by Sauna(00:06:34) - Sana Learning's AI-based Learning Platform(00:10:12) - Sales Training: The Future of Learning at Sana(00:13:33) - L&D 2.8: User Experience(00:14:44) - L&D: The Tutor, the Editor and the Admin(00:17:04) - The L&D paradigm shift(00:19:22) - How Skills are Being Rated in the Future(00:22:30) - L&D: The Future of Content Management(00:27:56) - Learning vs. Agents: Can Microsoft Win with Both?(00:30:46) - How to move legacy courses to Scrum(00:31:50) - A New Way to Start with Workday's AI in 2020

As AI vendors hype “recursive self-improvement” and other scary features, we see more and more “mainstreaming” of AI technology in business. In other words, the AI does not solve problems by itself: we as HR and IT leaders need to clearly define our needs and then buy, build, and tune the technologies we buy. Some AI vendors (ie. Paradox, Radancy, Sana, Maki, others) are laser focused on very specific use-cases, and they are delivering solution-first offerings that really add value. The frontier vendors, however, are struggling to do this and much of their revenue still comes from “enabling others” to create solutions. And the new usage-based pricing is forcing this kind of pragmatic thinking. In this podcast I highlight this “commoditization” of core AI features and explain why your “problem identification” work is perhaps the biggest effort in the HR 2030 Agentic HR strategy. (Take our new HR 2030 course or sign up for our new Global HR Excellence Certification.) Additional Information Is AI A “Normal” Technology? The Rise of the Supermanager Our New Book Superpowered, Coming This Fall! New Course: Galileo Is Ready To Teach You What You Need to Know about HR 2030     Chapters (00:00:00) - A Lesson on AI in Software Engineering(00:09:44) - Bill Gates on the Need for People in AI

We’re now a week past Irresistible 2026 and I want to recap what has been happening in enterprise AI and explain the HR 2030 program. First I discuss how the entire AI industry is over-inflated and what that means to enterprise users. Next I explain why the $1.5 Trillion invested in AI is leading to high prices and more focused projects. And third I explain what our HR 2030 program is all about and how you can join us. Three big messages here: first AI is now a powerful, early-stage, but expensive technology – so taking an architectural, business-case approach is now needed. (No more “playing around” in corporate systems.) Second, the market is exploding with innovation, forcing you to stay educated on the architectural and vendor issues. Third, your ongoing skills and education are critical to your new HR operating model, tools, and process decisions. Culture and leadership are more important than ever. Additional Information HR 2030 Blueprint and Vision (register here for ongoing updates) The New Global HR Excellence Certification by The Josh Bersin Institute Get Galileo: The Everything Superagent for HR (coming soon to MS copilot)   Chapters (00:00:00) - The Future of AI and HR Technology(00:03:43) - The AI Technology Market: Overhyped?(00:10:50) - HR 2030: Your Own Education and Skills

As we prepare for these juggernauts to go public, I’m reminded of Yahoo, Excite, and AOL who dominated the first four years of the internet. Despite their lead, Google stole the market away. Could the same thing happen again? The argument is not that these companies aren’t powerful, but rather that they’re so committed to their current path that they may miss the big opportunity in the future. If you look at HR 2030 and what we want to do with enterprise AI, the ability to generate code, graphics, and text may not be what we need. And our new research on Galileo business modeling is starting to pan this out. Now that AI prices are high, we all have to look for bigger use-cases for agents. In this podcast I explain what “Dynamic Enablement for Growth” really means and how LLMs only take us so far, with a new frontier yet to come. As always I welcome opinions and feedback on this thesis. Additional Information To Come…. Get Galileo and see business modeling in action. The New Global HR Excellence Certification – Join the Inaugural Cohort! HR 2030: Time to Reinvent HR Around Agents   Chapters (00:00:00) - AI Hype Has Some Limits(00:00:45) - In the Elevation of Large Language Models(00:03:57) - A Hackers Bought a Hacker's Card(00:05:25) - Beyond the Frontier: The Business Value of AI(00:09:52) - What HR 2030 Agents Need to Do(00:14:41) - What Does This Mean for AI in HR?

Here’s my brief recap of the amazing Irresistible 2026 (photos coming), and my discussion with clients about many things, including the new insane costs of AI. I just read a study that Ramp (credit card) did, discovering that the top AI users are spending $7500 per month per employee on AI. (Yikes!) That aside, the conference was spectacular and we all learned a lot. Stay tuned for a more detailed article on the Pacesetters and other major research we unveiled. In the meantime here’s my update on economics and AI maturity (companies are maturing and learning about this stuff quickly), as well as my heartfelt thanks to everyone who participated. Additional Information Announcements: The Josh Bersin Institute, HR 2030, And The Global HR Excellence Certification. HR 2030: Overview and Detailed Blueprint for clients and Galileo Users AI Prices Are Going Up, Up, Up – And What This Means For Enterprise AI Chapters (00:00:00) - Irresistible Conference 2017(00:00:55) - What I Learned at the Conference on AI & the Code(00:01:52) - The role of data in AI HR(00:03:44) - The Token Economics of AI(00:08:03) - Intro to Enterprise AI and HR(00:12:29) - The Future of AI HR(00:15:42) - Happy Summer Solstice!

Welcome to IRRESISTIBLE 2026 at USC in beautiful Los Angeles! Today we welcome 450 of our closest friends and introduce The Josh Bersin Institute Global HR Excellence Certification (GHRE). This is all focused on preparing you for HR 2030, which we also introduced today. Additional Information Josh Bersin Institute Launch Video HR 2030 Launch Video Details On Launch And New Galileo Capabilities       Chapters (00:00:00) - HRUC2026: The Future of AI Jobs(00:02:47) - Josh Burson Institute Launches Global HR Excellence Program

As we prepare to launch the HR 2030 Initiative next week, I pose an important question. What IS the real role of Human Resources in a world of AI, automation, and business acceleration? As you’ll hear, we believe HR is no longer the policy police, recruiting, training, or pay department. In a world of Agents, a new role has emerged: Dynamic Enablement for Growth. Today I discuss the historic role HR has played over the years, why many people distrust or misunderstand HR, and how HR emerges with an even more important role in the future. And in a world where CEOs believe automation will eliminate many of their workers, HR’s job is not to fight the trend, but rather accelerate it. And the result will be business growth, new career opportunities, and plenty of new jobs. This coming week at Irresistible 2026 we launch HR 2030 and also The Josh Bersin Institute, a new education and credentialing business to prepare every HR professional, HR leader, consultant, and HR vendor to learn and thrive in this new world. All the details are coming this week. I welcome your comments on this topic and I look forward to seeing our 450+ attendees at Irresistible on Monday at USC in Los Angeles. Additional Information HR 2030: Program Details (video) HR 2030: Explained Why AI Is A Massive Job-Creation Technology, Despite What You Think The HR-Ification Of The Democratic Party (The Atlantic) Chapters (00:00:00) - Why Does the HR Department Even Exist?(00:05:51) - HR Dynamics: Dynamic Enablement for Growth(00:09:09) - The Future of HR Is Complicated(00:16:15) - The skills needed in AI-related jobs(00:17:38) - A Taste of Irresistible Conference

This week was pretty exciting: Microsoft unveiled its Frontier Fine Tuning along with a new hardware stack and developer tools, while NVIDIA launched its foray into PC powered AI. Two big themes here: first is reducing computing cost as data centers start driving up all our AI cost, and second to make AI ever more personal for you and your company. You’ll also see that we’ve optimized Galileo into the Microsoft Copilot and you can get early access below, with GA coming later this summer. Even if you’re not an AI or PC geek this information is important because the way you focus your attention on AI has to change. We launch HR 2030 and the Josh Bersin Institute next week, stay tuned! Additional Information AI Prices Are Going Up, Up, Up – And What This Means For Enterprise AI Satya Nadella Keynote at Build (go to 1:45 for Frontier Fine Tuning announcement) Jensen Huang DTC Keynote in Taiwan More on Microsoft Frontier Fine Tuning for Copilot     Chapters (00:00:00) - AI Token Maxing and the High Cost of AI(00:05:03) - Microsoft's Edge computing and fine-tuning the(00:09:11) - How Nvidia Went From Graphics to AI

I’ve decided that the biggest challenge we have in AI is now keeping track of the new words being created. Words like harness, layer, mesh, vector, orchestrator, tools, surface, memory – they all mean very special things. And engineers and marketing people keep dreaming up new ones (spine? pattern? control plane? MCP? LangChain? headless? MCP? mesh? ontology?). In this podcast I do my best to explain what these words mean, and give you a non-technical understanding of how all this stuff works. If people like this I’ll keep you up to date on all these new words. Additional Information (Note that all our research and podcasts are in Galileo) AI Prices Are Going Up, Up, Up – And What This Means For Enterprise AI The Reinvention of Workday: From System of Record to Platform of Agents Could Microsoft Win The War For Enterprise AI? The AI vs. Labor Economy, Why Benefits Are Being Cut, The Role of Legacy Systems The Context Layer (Semantic Layer) In Enterprise AI (And Where Business Rules Go) Jensen Huang’s Taipei Speech (filled with this jargon) The Superagent for HR: Galileo Mars Release Chapters (00:00:00) - The Trouble With Words in the AI Era(00:07:28) - Three Words of the Real-World Model (RAG, M(00:10:16) - Hiring with a Neural Network(00:16:27) - What is the Microsoft SQL Server Fabric or Mesh?(00:18:07) - The issue of governance in the HCM(00:19:36) - A Little More About Machine Learning

Here’s an update on Google’s Gemini Flash 3.5 (bad name) and how it impacts the enterprise market, an update on Google AI in Search, and an update on the HR 2030 architecture coming out at Irresistible. I also want to thank you as a listener, we discovered that this podcast now reaches 4 million HR and business professionals around the world. I take that responsibility very seriously and we all work very hard to avoid advertisements or any kind of “blind opinions” in this format. You do get all my and our perspectives of course and I encourage you to get Galileo, our amazing AI platform, which serves as “me” – you can ask it any question and it answers, guides you, and helps you learn and solve problems. By the way we’re going to be demonstrating some groundbreaking new Galileo capabilities at Irresistible, including the ability to load your entire company model. This means you can model a reorganization, redeployment, upskilling, flattening, or AI transformation for your team, business, or company – even looking at pay inequities and more. Those of you coming will see this in action. (Galileo Suite is only $79 a month or $795 a year.) The “bag of doorknobs” phrase is one I learned as a software guy, it refers to the mess we create when we buy 140 employee systems and then add 500 new agents without an architectural strategy. Additional Information AI Prices Are Going Up, Up, Up – And What This Means For Enterprise AI HR 2030: The Vision for Agentic HR Hits Reality Get Galileo, The Everything HR AI Ready For You   Chapters (00:00:00) - Google Conference 2017: A Preview(00:00:28) - Google's AI Moves to the Enterprise(00:03:33) - Galileo HR 2030: The Future of Learning Machines(00:05:05) - How to Prepare for HR 2030 with the New Technology(00:10:38) - The IT Infrastructure of AI(00:12:23) - App Store Integration: Real or a Scam?(00:13:58) - Will AI Make Your Life Easier?

What if the biggest mistake companies make with AI transformation is treating it as a technology problem? Laurent Aufils, Chief People Officer at Orange Business, knows that it’s all about people. In this episode, Kathi Enderes sits down with Laurent to explore how one of the world’s leading digital services companies transformed its entire 30,000-people workforce through a people-first approach to generative AI. The results are concrete and striking. Orange Business’s AI-powered contract management tool slashed what previously took teams weeks of painstaking analysis to under three hours — fundamentally disrupting not just how people work, but how they understand the value they bring.  Rather than letting 30,000 people go and rehiring AI specialists, Laurent and his team made a bold choice: there will always be a human in the loop. That principle became the foundation of everything — the cultural compass that kept employees from fearing the future and turned anxiety into engagement. The numbers tell the story. Among employees who went through Orange Business’s reskilling and upskilling programs, employee Net Promoter Scores shot from a modest +8 to a remarkable +41. Over 90% of the company’s workforce is now trained in generative AI, and more than 60% use it as a regular part of their daily work.  AI certifications became a business objective on par with financial targets, and the company won contracts specifically because clients knew their teams had the credentials to back up their pitch. But perhaps the most powerful insight Laurent shares is about learning. In the AI era, learning is no longer a one-time investment or a classroom event; it is a continuous business capability, and it must be embedded into the rhythm of everyday work. Orange Business’s YouTime initiative — dedicating three hours per month per employee to learning — changed the entire mindset of the organization. Paired with an 11,000-member internal generative AI community, it created the kind of grassroots momentum that no top-down mandate ever could. Laurent’s advice to CHROs and HR leaders: stay humble, keep experimenting, and never let technology outpace your people. Related resources Podcast: Why AI Is A Massive Job Creation Technology. Automated Integration. Findem. And Thank You.  The Superworker Organization: AI Goes Enterprise AI Pacesetters: Six Secrets Of The Superworker Company  The Age of the Superworker (and Supermanager) Get Galileo: The AI Superagent for HR   Chapters (00:00:03) - What Works: Changing the Way People Work(00:00:44) - Orange Business's AI Transformation(00:05:40) - How GE Prepared for the Generative AI Transformation(00:12:16) - How did the learning function change with the introduction of generative AI(00:15:09) - How Has Cognizant is evolving its culture(00:18:49) - Culture and the AI journey(00:22:02) - Top Executives: The AI Transformation(00:24:39) - What Works: Chief People Officer at Orange Business

The Pope’s Encyclical on AI is well worth reading. It’s not only about the perils and risks of technology, it’s really a manifesto about power. I found the essay extremely valuable to read so I wanted to share my perspectives on the topic and the fascinating analogy between AI and The Tower of Babel. I welcome your thoughts and comments. Additional Information The Encyclical Summary: Pope Leo’s ‘Magnifica humanitas’: AI must serve humanity not concentrate power AI Prices Are Going Up, Up, Up – Maybe Workers Are More Productive Than You Thought Chapters (00:00:00) - On the Pope's AI Encyclical(00:08:33) - Robots and the Pope

This week I attended the Sana AI Summit in NYC, so I wanted to share the various conversations and new ideas that came from this multi-disciplinary meeting. I hope my summary helps you see some of the bigger issues at play here. Will AI destroy the job market? What is the real economic value so far? What is the difference between AI and humans? How safe is AI in reality? And how can we use AI to really better our lives, careers, and companies? I hope my summary gives you some new ideas to think about as this technology permeates our lives and businesses. (And I recommend Geoffrey Hinton’s discussion for a listen.) Speaker Role / affiliation listed Tyler Cowen Economist and author Geoffrey Hinton Computer scientist and “Godfather of AI” Anton Osika Co-Founder, Lovable Lauren Crichton Vice President, Sana Benjamín Labatut Writer Aneel Bhusri Co-founder, CEO and Chair, Workday Jasmine Sun Tech anthropologist Joel Hellermark Founder and CEO, Sana Sara Imari Walker Astrobiologist Ethan Mollick Professor of Entrepreneurship Anu Atluru Essayist and technologist Chapters (00:00:00) - SANAA AI Summit 2017(00:01:23) - A More Human World With AI(00:03:19) - Will AI Hurt the Economy?(00:06:53) - A More Human Workforce(00:08:47) - What is a Human Decision?(00:15:26) - The Ethical Problem of AI(00:18:46) - The cranky writer on AI(00:20:12) - The Future of AI in HR(00:21:58) - A Taste of the AI Summit

Many of our clients are playing with Claude, building things, and telling us about their amazing new innovations. But there’s a strange misconception out there – the idea that you can just “buy an Agent” and turn it on immediately. AI doesn’t quite work this way. These systems “become you” – which means you have to train, maintain, tune, and continuously monitor them. Here’s the story for a quick listen. Here is a brief background on “managing and maintaining” AI agents. And remember, this is the power of AI – you want it to “learn” about your company!  But like a junior staff member, you have to coach and train it. Additional Information Introducing HR 2030: A Vision For Agentic Human Resources Agentic HR: Where Enterprise AI Is Going – Imperatives  Why AI Is A Massive Job-Creation Technology, Despite What You Think The Age of the Superworker (and Supermanager) Get Galileo: The AI Superagent for HR Chapters (00:00:00) - The Real Story of AI in Talent Management(00:07:27) - Onboarding the AI Learning Curve

This week I’m in New York “Live!” and there are some exciting things happening: we launched our newest research on “The Five Types of Frontline Worker” which will help you dramatically improve that part of your business, and Cornerstone, the largest L&D tech provider, went BIG into AI. Listen up for more details, and read the newest article for analysis. Additional Information Josh Bersin Company Defines New HR Taxonomy for Frontline Workers to Improve Hiring, Pay, Retention, and Management Research: Understanding The Five Types of Frontline Workers Cornerstone Launches Its Reinvention, Helping to Redefine Corporate Learning Get Galileo: The Everything HR AI Agent for HR and Leaders   Chapters (00:00:00) - Cornerstone on the frontline labor market(00:00:21) - The frontline workforce and the cornerstone(00:03:47) - The Future of Workforce Segmentation(00:12:25) - The future of learning is dynamic content(00:17:26) - Josh Burson at Irresistible 2026(00:19:17) - Podcast

This week I turn 70 so and we’re in college graduation season, so I took some time to give you my perspectives on “The Liberal Arts Education,” and why it matters so much. Not only are liberal arts important to your personal understanding of the world, they give you career skills you’ll use forever. I explain today, using myself as an example, why and how liberal arts, science, history, politics, and learning to think and write are the most important skills you have. As we read about college grads complaining about AI and struggling to find jobs, I think you’ll find this inspiring and positive for the future. We’re living in a very disruptive time, and your perspectives on the “system of life” and “system of work” is one of the most valuable capabilities you build over time. I’ll be talking much more about this in New York this week, and I hope to see many of you there or at Irresistible in June. Have a wonderful weekend and I hope this podcast gives you new perspectives you can use in your life as a professional, HR leader, manager, or parent. Additional Information Irresistible 2026: The Global HR Conference for Leaders and their Teams – join us! Liberal Arts Colleges in Crisis: Long Live Liberal Arts (Bloomberg) Introducing HR 2030: A Vision For Agentic Human Resources Everything We Know About HR and Leadership: Get Galileo, the AI Superagent for HR   Chapters (00:00:00) - I actually did have a liberal arts education. My engineering degree came later(00:08:24) - The Human Dimension of HR(00:16:59) - Systematic HR: The Human Capital System

Frontline workforce hiring is important: these are the workers who deliver services, care for patients, and deliver the food or products that we rely on every day. Yet as we look at benchmarks for hiring and retention we see massive variations across companies. In fact the highest-performing companies hire 5-times quicker than others, and also find higher quality candidates! (Speed actually improves your quality of hire…) Nehal Nangia, our lead analyst studying frontline work, explains the complexities. And as you’ll hear from Josh Secrest from Paradox, there are massive business implications in time to hire. Interestingly enough, well designed AI platforms for frontline hiring have a massive return on investment.  As Nehal explains, frontline hiring is very complicated, and fewer than 25% of companies have figured this out. Lots of room for innovation and AI tools to help! This podcast will open your eyes. Additional Information Powering the Frontline Workforce: How Frontline-First Companies Thrive The Talent Acquisition Revolution: How AI is Transforming Recruiting Why AI Is A Massive Job Creation Technology. Automated Integration. Findem. And Thank You. Insights-First AI: Better and Explainable People Decisions   Chapters (00:00:03) - Time to Hire and Quality of Hire(00:02:52) - The Longer Time to Hire(00:07:29) - Time to Hire: The Business Case(00:13:53) - How to Manage AI in Restaurants(00:16:42) - The $64,000 Question(00:18:54) - Is AI Affecting the Job Interview?(00:21:40) - The Future of Managers(00:24:46) - Management Technology: The Problem(00:26:10) - Frontline Workers: Flexibility Is Key(00:30:24) - Good Hires vs. Bad Hires(00:32:05) - Employee retention and break-even points(00:34:54) - Fooling around with React: Explained

I just attended the Eightfold user conference where they introduced TalentForge, a toolset to build agents, and the CEO Ashutosh Garg told us their HR team could build their own HRMS. Gloat is offering much of the same toolset, with integrations into Microsoft Teams, Copilot, Gemini and Claude – and you can import all your business rules from SuccessFactors, Workday, and other tools. And almost all HR vendors (Findem, Eightfold, our own Galileo) have MCP plugins so you can access them in any agent you choose. So the big question looms: what should you build and what should you buy? In this podcast I explain some of the considerations here and warn you that A) this is not as “easy” as it looks, and B) in a corporate setting you may want to think twice before you embark on a major replacement on your own. On the other hand, fire up Cowork or another tool and build your own personal agent, as long as your data security is in place. Lots of experimentation ahead and we will introduce you to companies that have built dozens of amazing HR agents at Irresistible 2026. Additional Information (Note that all our research and podcasts are at your fingertips in Galileo) The Reinvention of Workday: From System of Record to Platform of Agents ServiceNow Bets Big on Enterprise AI With Vision of Managing Everything Could Microsoft Win The War For Enterprise AI? The AI vs. Labor Economy, Why Benefits Are Being Cut, The Role of Legacy Systems The Context Layer (Semantic Layer) In Enterprise AI (And Where Business Rules Go) The Superagent for HR: Galileo Mars Release Chapters (00:00:00) - Building a Talent Portal in the Age of AI(00:09:46) - Will Businesses Reboot Their Processes With RPA?(00:10:47) - Build vs. Buy in the HR world

We’re now at a stage where enterprise-class AI solutions are real, and suppliers are jockeying for position. Microsoft has consolidated its Copilot efforts into a more integrated offering, and also raised prices. Workday and ServiceNow have defined new consumption-based pricing models which shift from “buying seats” to “buying capacity.” The Frontier model vendors like Anthropic and OpenAI are spending money massively, ready to go public soon, so we’ll understand their business models. And in the meantime both are investing in PE-backed joint ventures to build more engineering and implementation services to speed enterprise adoption. The big story is clear to me: we’re in the early stage of a multi-trillion dollar redesign and reinvention of our companies, employee experiences, and customer experiences – all moving to a model we call “Dynamic Enablement.” Despite this direction, the products are new and immature, so there’s lots of risk-investment to undertake. In this podcast I give HR and IT buyers our experience with AI projects so far, and show you that a focus on near-term use-cases is the best way to proceed. As they say, you can only eat an elephant “one bite at a time.” Just as mainframe transformation took decades, so will AI transformation take time (albeit less time!). So invest wisely and you’ll see tremendously positive ROI quickly. Finally let me offer our help. We’ve already helped dozens of companies build high ROI AI solutions in recruiting, training, enablement, and employee experience. Watch for more in our HR 2030 program to stay in touch. Additional Information (Note that all our research and podcasts are at your fingertips in Galileo) The Reinvention of Workday: From System of Record to Platform of Agents Could Microsoft Win The War For Enterprise AI? ServiceNow Bets Big on Enterprise AI With Vision of Managing Everything The AI vs. Labor Economy, Why Benefits Are Being Cut, The Role of Legacy Systems The Superagent for HR: Galileo Mars Release Chapters (00:00:00) - AI and the Job Market(00:07:43) - The future of IT spending on AI(00:16:29) - The Future of Work and Human Talent

This week ServiceNow launched a massive set of new products to establish itself as the system that manages every AI agent in the enterprise.  It’s a bold set of new products, including Otto (Moveworks), the Agent Fabric, the Context Engine, and the Autonomous AI Specialists. In reality the strategy is an expanded view of what Workday (Agent System of Record and Sana) and Microsoft (Agent 365 and Work IQ) are doing, but with a much deeper set of tools. Not only is this a bold move to accelerate Agentic HR and Agentic business systems, it now explains why enterprise software companies are far from dead. In fact, the monetization model here is for you to pay for AI credits (ServiceNow has different levels of usage) and that revenue, which helps ServiceNow grow, is offset by your reduction in labor cost. It’s all explained in this article and the podcast, and the implications are big for IT, HR software companies, and all of you trying to build AI solutions for your team. Additional Information (Note that all our research and podcasts are at your fingertips in Galileo) The Reinvention of Workday: From System of Record to Platform of Agents Could Microsoft Win The War For Enterprise AI? The AI vs. Labor Economy, Why Benefits Are Being Cut, The Role of Legacy Systems The Context Layer (Semantic Layer) In Enterprise AI (And Where Business Rules Go) The Superagent for HR: Galileo Mars Release Chapters (00:00:00) - ServiceNow's AI Announcement(00:01:04) - ServiceNow's Sprawl of AI Agents(00:03:42) - ServiceNow vs. Workday: The AI Control Tower(00:13:10) - WSJD HR 2030: The Agent Roadmap

I had an uplifting conversation with Jen Morgan, the CEO of UKG, a $5 billion global AI platform for HR, pay, and workforce management. In addition to talking about the company and her role as CEO, she actually has another mission: to put Frontline Workers first in our economy. Frontline workers, the people who deliver groceries and food, care for patients in the hospital, work in hospitality, or maintain public safety, make up 72% of the US workforce and almost 80% of employees worldwide. These often hourly or shift workers form the backbone of our economy: making our lives better, putting out fires, and keeping our streets safe. UKG’s mission is to make their work lives better through better scheduling, pay, benefits, hiring, and training systems – all in an integrated offering called “The Workforce Operating Platform.” Built through the merger of Kronos with Ultimate Software in 2020, UKG has pioneered this groundbreaking integrated solution. UKG has more than 80,000 customers and serves more than 65 million workers every day. And its software and tools support and monitor much of their daily lives at work, so Jen knows a lot about what it takes to run what we call a “Frontline First” company. I know you’ll enjoy this conversation, and stay tuned for our new research on the Dynamics Of The Frontline, coming this month. Additional Information UKG Stakes Out Leadership Position In $6.5 Trillion Market For Frontline Work Powering the Frontline Workforce: How Frontline-First Companies Thrive Josh Bersin Company Highlights Cost of Neglecting Frontline Workers Get Galileo, The AI Superagent for HR Chapters (00:00:00) - Meet Ukg CEO Jen Morgan(00:00:20) - In the Elevator With Ukg.com's CEO(00:02:22) - The U and the K: Ultimate Software and Kronos(00:06:06) - Immortal on the Future of the Workforce(00:13:51) - Top Employers: The Great Place to Work(00:20:05) - UKG CEO on the Impact of AI on the Company(00:26:42) - Mid-Market Companies: Our Role(00:27:28) - Top Executives: The World Class Organization

This week we saw some astounding GDP numbers, a modest 2% growth with an astounding 70% attributed to AI capital spending. The US economy is heavily AI centric, starving spending on housing which ultimately contributes to income inequality. At the same time companies are now reducing employee benefits, halting a two decade steady increase. It’s all about the shift from labor to machines, I guess. I also talk about the role of legacy systems in the new world of Agentic HR, Agentic Finance, and Agentic ERP. Lots going on, I hope this gives you some perspective on the massive AI economic transformation we’re living in. It’s all good and one of the most exciting times in our careers. Additional Information Why AI Is A Massive Job-Creation Technology, Despite What You Think Introducing HR 2030: A Vision For Agentic Human Resources The Reinvention of Workday: From System of Record to Platform of Agents The Superagent for HR: Galileo Mars Release Irresistible 2026: The Global Conference for HR Leaders and their Teams (June 8-10, USC) Chapters (00:00:00) - Economy and the Stock Market(00:02:33) - Some Companies Are Reducing Employee Benefits(00:08:17) - The Role of Managers(00:12:59) - The Legacy of Salesforce, Workday(00:18:54) - Want to pitch your AI Stories? Here!

What does it take to bridge one of the most persistent translation problems in talent acquisition – getting a Fortune 500 recruiter to see why a Little Bird attack helicopter pilot from the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment is the perfect candidate for their open role? Tim Best, CEO of RecruitMilitary and former active duty Army officer, gives us a mission-driven and practical answer: go beyond the resume. Resumes and job descriptions flatten people. And for veterans, who enter the civilian workforce carrying hundreds of thousands of skills and attributes that don’t map to corporate job architectures, that flatness is the enemy. The technology RecruitMilitary built with Findem, the Veteran Talent Source, solves this by giving recruiters a three-dimensional view of who a candidate actually is: not just what they did, but what they’ve continuously become. Because profiles are enriched in real time, the candidate in someone’s ATS today is not the candidate from 25 years ago – and the AI knows the difference. The results are outstanding. In 2025, RecruitMilitary created over 600,000 connections between employers and military community job seekers. The hyper-personalized outreach campaigns powered by the Veteran Talent Source are generating email open rates of 80–90% and click-through rates five times higher than industry norms. These aren’t just efficiency gains but create a fundamentally better experience for veterans, who have long lived with the frustration of applying and never hearing back. Tim’s vision is for veterans inundated with recruiters who understand them, not spam from algorithms that don’t. But Tim’s ambitions go further than better sourcing. He wants veteran hiring to stop being a special project that lives in a corner of the TA function and instead become a normal part of a recruiter’s everyday workflow, all made possible by AI. Looking ahead to the agentic AI era, Tim sees the next leap: intelligent job posting and agent-driven delivery that reduces friction between “here’s my job description” and “here are the right people to talk to” to (almost) nothing. This conversation is essential listening for anyone in talent acquisition who wants to understand how AI creates new business value, not just faster versions of the old model. Related resources Podcast: Why AI Is A Massive Job Creation Technology. Automated Integration. Findem. And Thank You. Research: Insights-First AI: Better and Explainable People Decisions Research: The Talent Acquisition Revolution: How AI is Transforming Recruiting Chapters (00:00:03) - What Works: The Future of Talent(00:00:40) - Interview: Tim Best on Recruit Military's AI(00:03:27) - What Recruit Military Jobs?(00:05:21) - David Furnace, Head of Veteran Talent at HR Tech(00:08:32) - The Veteran Talent Source(00:15:57) - Veteran Recruitment Tech(00:17:04) - What's The Challenge of AI at Work?(00:19:39) - What lessons learned would you share with employers about AI and the role(00:22:03) - Machine Learning and the Veteran Talent Market(00:24:26) - What Works With Recruit Military

This week I discuss Workday’s new AI announcements described at the Innovation Summit last week. These are sweeping new product, leadership, and organizational changes that effectively reposition from a “system of record” to a “platform of agents.” As you’ll hear, not only is Workday clearly articulating their strategy to support and enable Agentic HR and Agentic Finance, the company has changed its organization, culture, and financial model. There’s a lot to unpack here, and I know all Workday customers, partners, and competitors will have opinions. In this podcast I try to explain this whole story and why it marks the beginning of a very new chapter for Workday as a business. Additional Information Experience Sana for Yourself: Galileo Mars Release Irresistible 2026: The Global Conference for HR Leaders and their Teams (June 8-10, USC) HR 2030: The Agentic Future of HR (detailed handbook coming!) Detailed Article on Workday   Chapters (00:00:00) - The Reinvention of Workday(00:07:17) - The Future of Application Development with Generative AI(00:10:33) - Agents and the AI future(00:18:57) - Employee Experience: A Vision for the Future

This week I recap a busy week including corporate AI stories, Workday’s AI reinvention, more on tech Layoffs, and fears of AI-driven surveillance. The important story is that Enterprise AI is much more complex than most imagine yet the AI vendors like Anthropic and OpenAI make it sound deceptively simple. In reality, as I explain, we are one year into the total reinvention of all business functions, with HR top on the list. And as I explain, the vision of enterprise success is now clear, but the vendor market is incredibly insecure. I think you’ll find Workday’s story compelling, but it’s not the only option out there. On the news side, we saw the “pre-layoffs” of 10% of all Meta employees, elimination of family benefits at Deloitte and Zoom, and some amazingly creepy surveillance at Meta’s AI group. I review all this and try to give you some context. As you listen I encourage you to read our 2026 Enterprise AI Imperatives and the preview of HR 2030, our in-depth look at where AI in HR is going. An in-depth review of Workday’s new AI strategy is coming this next week. Additional Resources Meta Employees React to Massive Layoffs to Come Deloitte and Zoom Take the Lead in Slashing the Most Coveted Benefits The week that Meta employees became training data Why AI Is A Massive Job-Creation Technology, Despite What You Think Workday and Sana Unveil A Bold New Strategy For AI Chapters (00:00:00) - Enterprise AI: Where we are?(00:02:10) - Workday's AI push with Sana(00:09:53) - WSJD Live: The Workday World(00:11:10) - Agent Companies: What to Avoid(00:13:36) - Microsoft's Layoffs, and More(00:18:07) - Facebook's Surveillance of Employees

In this episode, Kathi Enderes sits down with Rob McAuslan, Vice President for Artificial Intelligence at Southern New Hampshire University (SNHU), one of the world’s largest and most innovative online universities with more than 200,000 students. Before leading SNHU’s AI strategy, Rob taught, worked, and volunteered across Africa, the Mediterranean, and East Asia, working with populations ranging from K-12 students to refugees to graduate scholars. That lived experience shapes everything about how SNHU thinks about AI: not as a tool for automation, but as a means of expanding access, amplifying human potential, and meeting learners exactly where they are. SNHU is no ordinary university. As one of the largest and most innovative higher education institutions in the United States, it has built its reputation on making education accessible to learners who the traditional system has often left behind: working adults, career changers, veterans, and underserved communities. Rob’s role as VP for AI sits squarely at the intersection of that mission and the most consequential technological shift of our time. Rob and Kathi discuss what it really means to deploy AI with humans at the center, and what that demands of institutions, leaders, and learners alike. The conversation moves through the practical and the philosophical: How do you design AI experiences that honor the dignity and complexity of every individual? What does skills-based, AI-enabled learning look like for someone who has never had access to it before? And what can higher education teach the corporate world about building AI that actually serves people rather than simply processing them? If you’re a CHRO, CIO, learning leader, or business executive wondering how to move beyond pilots and hype, this conversation will show you what responsible, scalable AI adoption really looks like—and how to get started in your own organization. Related resources Podcast: The Rise Of The Supermanager – JOSH BERSIN Research: AI Pacesetters: Six Secrets Of The Superworker Company – JOSH BERSIN New Certificate Course in Galileo Learn: AI in L&D Get Galileo: The AI Superagent for You Chapters (00:00:03) - What Works in the Future of Work(00:00:40) - How Southern New Hampshire University Is Taking a Human Approach to AI(00:02:58) - How to Apply AI at Southern New Hampshire University(00:07:49) - Southern New Hampshire University's 4-Stage AI Adoption Model(00:14:16) - One of the issues around AI governance(00:19:13) - Employee Experience and AI in the People Team(00:21:43) - WSJD Live: The AI Policy(00:23:32) - In the Elevator With Provost Rob Ferguson(00:24:06) - What Works In Education? With Rob McAuslan

This week, as Ronan Farrow’s expose on Sam Altman was published, I want to sensitize you to the fact that AI companies are run by humans. And this means that what we buy and how it works is very dependent on leadership, culture, values, ethics, and the personal motivations of these young, ambitious executives. Obviously this is nothing new, but in this case OpenAI and Anthropic are by far the fastest growing businesses ever created on planet earth. So their ability to steer, direct, and prioritize their investments makes a huge difference in how they meet the needs we have in our companies. I have learned over the years that great, long-lasting tech companies are among the most tumultuous businesses to lead. Not only are the personal economic payoffs huge (I live in a community with lots of Anthropic millionaires) but they are brutally competitive and the cost of a missed opportunity can sometimes be fatal. In this case, I admire all the people in this space but as the AI vendors play larger roles in our lives and careers, we have to think much harder about their leadership and culture. As you’ll hear, many others (analysts, stock market, politicians) are also working on this, and I think we’re likely to see some of the most interesting business “drama” play out in the coming years. As a consumer and buyer of AI, I encourage you to investigate the leadership, culture, and motivations of the vendors you do business with – it really matters. Additional Information New Yorker Expose on Sam Altman Interview with Ronan Farrow, author Irresistible: The Leadership Culture that Works The Value of Values When Organizations Lose Trust Get Galileo: All Our Research and Leadership Academy In AI   Chapters (00:00:00) - The Human Side of Building AI(00:02:40) - Microsoft and the Human Side of AI(00:10:59) - The culture of startups(00:17:57) - NVIDIA and the future of tech

The Microsoft Copilot is even more expansive than you think. In this podcast (and detailed article on Substack) you see how Microsoft’s new Copilot “surface” (ie. product strategy) is likely to give them the lead in revenue and market share for Enterprise AI. There are many players to consider here: Anthropic, OpenAI, Oracle, Nvidia, and vendors like ServiceNow, Okta, and big platforms like Workday (Sana), SAP (Joule), Salesforce, and others. Despite all their various strengths and revenue streams, Microsoft has a huge advantage. And as you’ll hear, the corporate AI market is moving from “models” to “applications” (Surfaces) with an enterprise focus on Agent build, Agent deployment, Agent security, and Agent management. Microsoft is building to this direction and the recent leadership reorganization is fueling this momentum. Read this in-depth analysis of Microsoft vs. Anthropic vs. OpenAI revenue and enterprise AI strategy. Additional Information How Microsoft Could Take The Lead In Enterprise AI (substack) The Context Layer (Semantic Layer) In Enterprise AI And Where Business Rules Go (podcast) Why AI Is A Massive Job-Creation Technology, Despite What You Think The Age of the Superworker (and Supermanager) Get Galileo: The AI Superagent for HR   Chapters (00:00:00) - Why Microsoft Is the Leader in AI(00:02:41) - The Future of AI: No One Model(00:09:52) - Microsoft's Work IQ and the Context Layer(00:21:01) - SANA vs. Microsoft: How Microsoft Will Win

One of the new enterprise AI challenges we face is this: where do we put all the business rules, security rules, policies, and company specific practices we’ve built into our legacy systems for the last 30 years? If we want to embark on Agentic HR (or any other domain), do we rebuild all these rules in the Agents? Well the big idea going forward is the development of a “context layer” or “semantic layer” which stores all the company structure, rules, and policies in a single place. Today ServiceNow introduced its “Context Engine” which plans to do this, and last week Gloat did the same. In this podcast I explain what this is and the implications of various AI architecture options, and compare the idea of building this in ServiceNow or Gloat or using AI Agent tools from Workday, Oracle, SAP, or other incumbent vendors. Additional Information Agentic HR: Where Enterprise AI Is Going – Imperatives  Why AI Is A Massive Job-Creation Technology, Despite What You Think The Age of the Superworker (and Supermanager) Get Galileo: The AI Superagent for HR   Chapters (00:00:00) - What is the Business Rule(00:07:41) - ServiceNow, Business Rules Integration

In this podcast I talk with Josh Secrest, VP of Marketing at Paradox (Workday) about how we segment the “frontline” into useful worker categories. As you will hear, the complex issues of hiring, training, managing, leading, and building operational excellence vary widely from role to role. Many companies think “Frontline” is a category. As you’ll discover, this is not really true. Our new research shows that there are more than 800 “Frontline” worker job titles and they are not only industry-specific but also vary by skill type, skills depth, front or back office, licensing, and professional credential. And these dimensions play a major role in all HR, pay, reward, training, scheduling, and retention strategies. This episode sets the stage for our follow-on podcasts where we detail the Five Types of Frontline Work, a body of research you’ll find even more useful in leading this important part of our companies. Remember, Frontline work makes up over 70% of all US (80% global) workers, and commands more than 3 $Trillion of pay and rewards investment. Additional Information Powering the Frontline Workforce: How Frontline-First Companies Thrive (research) Josh Bersin Company Highlights Cost of Neglecting Frontline Workers (research) An Exploration into the Frontline Workforce with Josh Bersin (video) Tailor your HR and Management Programs for Frontline Work with Galileo, the Expert AI Agent for HR Chapters (00:00:02) - Frontline Conversation(00:07:40) - The Importance of Qualifications in Your Sales Pitch(00:09:12) - Employment Segmentation(00:10:24) - Training costs of the logistics industry(00:14:01) - How to Find and Retain Talent in Healthcare(00:14:41) - One Restaurant Group's Shift From Part-Time Work to Full Time(00:17:13) - Discussing Full-Time vs Part-Time Jobs(00:18:14) - Josh Ferson(00:19:51) - The Future of Segmentation in Business

As AI expands its role all over our companies, a big question comes up: What will AI Agents do to HR and all our human capital practices? One could imagine the HR department “going away” or being replaced by agents, and managers interacting with this AI Agent Cloud for hiring, pay, promotion, hourly scheduling, and training. Is that where we’re really going? This week we’re starting to introduce our HR 2030 Vision, which brings together the world of Systemic HR (HR as an integrated operation, not only COEs) and our AI Superagent/Agent architecture. Vendors are slowly moving in this direction and we see HR leaders and operating groups also moving this way at various rates of speed. Many tech companies are moving in this direction quickly (Microsoft, Roblox, Google, others) while most other industries are still struggling to integrate systems and start their Agent journeys. This new vision, as bold as it seems, is very likely to come true in the next four years and it transforms HR into the business enablement function it always aspires to be. We see HR 2030 as a collective program of innovation, learning, and technology exploration. If you’d like to join us in this effort please reach out, and use Galileo to ask your questions and help build your roadmap. Every HR leader and HR team in the world is pondering this future, and we are here to guide you down this amazing path ahead. Topics: HR2030, Agentic HR, Agentic AI, Future of Work, Digital Twin, HR Transformation, HR jobs and roles, HR operation, HR leadership Additional Background Agentic HR: Where Enterprise AI Is Going – Imperatives  Why AI Is A Massive Job-Creation Technology, Despite What You Think The Age of the Superworker (and Supermanager) Get Galileo: The AI Superagent for HR   Chapters (00:00:00) - HR 2030: The AI revolution(00:06:13) - Human Capital Management: Rules and Cultural Rubrics(00:17:59) - WSJD. HR 2030: The challenge

What does it look like when one of the world’s most innovative tech companies decides to write the playbook for agentic HR — from the inside? Brandon Roberts, Global VP of People Product, Analytics and AI at ServiceNow, joins Kathi Enderes for a conversation that crackles with real-world urgency and hard-won insight. Under the bold leadership of CHRO Jacqui Canney – whose title as Chief People and AI Transformation Officer signals just how seriously ServiceNow is taking this moment – Brandon and his team have made a defining bet: empower every HR professional to experiment with AI, then ruthlessly prioritize based on value and feasibility. The results are already turning heads. When an HR Business Partner came forward with an idea, it didn’t disappear into a committee. It became a live capability: HRBPs now work alongside a people data agent paired with Galileo, giving them real-time internal workforce data fused with external benchmarks, case studies, and research insights,  all available in the moment a business conversation demands an answer.  This is what it means to bring consulting-grade intelligence into the flow of work. But Brandon’s story doesn’t stop inside HR. ServiceNow is also asking its HR team to do something far bigger: help lead the entire company’s AI transformation. That means building workforce AI capabilities and readiness at scale, redesigning jobs and work across the firm as AI reshapes what every role requires and writing the organizational playbook for AI adoption that others can follow.  It is a mandate that puts HR squarely at the center of enterprise strategy, moving from support function to transformation driver. Brandon’s own career arc captures this shift. His role evolved from a focus on people analytics – historically centered on reporting and data analysis – into enabling the business to use insights about people and organizations to make better decisions and drive better outcomes, all powered by AI.  The people analytics function didn’t shrink but grew in strategic weight and importance. This conversation is a must-listen for anyone trying to understand what agentic HR actually looks like in practice at one of the fastest-moving companies on the planet. Additional Information Podcast: Jacqui Canney, ServiceNow CHRO, Demystifies AI Transformation Article: The Great Reinvention of Human Resources Has Begun Research: The Superworker Organization: AI Goes Enterprise Get Galileo: The World’s AI Superagent for HR Chapters (00:00:03) - What Works: Systems Thinking(00:00:41) - ServiceNow CEO on the Company's Transformation of HR Using AI(00:02:19) - WSJD Live: ServiceNow's AI-Powered HR Function(00:05:41) - Six Pillars of the AI Revolution at ServiceNow(00:08:48) - How Galileo is helping HR professionals be more strategic(00:11:14) - How ServiceNow Is Bringing AI to HR(00:14:44) - What specific skills do you need in your role around AI(00:15:51) - WSJD: The HR Organization of the Future(00:20:28) - WSJDLive: The AI and HR Transformation(00:22:44) - WSJD Live: AI and HR Transformation(00:24:24) - What Works in HR: Brandon Roberts & ServiceNow's Galileo

Today, as we read more stories about various layoffs (often using AI as an explanation), I’d like to suggest a big idea. AI Agents, defined as “Talent Redeployment Agents,” may be one of the most powerful new use-cases for AI in HR. No I’m not talking about AI randomly selecting people and zapping them by email based on financial results (that could happen I suppose), but something much bigger. Listen in as I explain how the “decoupling” of workers from their employers has led to a new era of dynamic employee redeployment, which is only possible with AI. We’re deep into studying these Superagent use-cases in companies around the world so if this conversation gets you excited (I think it will), please get hold of us we’d like to explain more. Additional Information Should an AI Agent Be Able To Fire You? Yes, And It’s Likely To Go Well. Gloat Enters The Crowded War For AI Agents in HR Why AI Is A Massive Job-Creation Technology, Despite What You Think Be Careful With The Layoffs Get Galileo, the AI Superagent for HR Chapters (00:00:00) - The Way Companies Are Layoff(00:09:18) - The AI Talent Mobility Agent