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The Josh Bersin Company
by Josh Bersin
Insights on Corporate Talent, Learning, AI, and HR Technology. I discuss new research on all areas of management, leadership, economics, and HR, informed by our proprietary research and deep discussions with clients, vendors, and technology providers.We also publish interviews and case studies from some of the most fascinating and innovative leaders in HR and business.
Episodes
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Workday: Agent Strategy, Sana as Core, Usage-based Pricing, and Our Partnership
Workday Rising Announcements: Sana as core interface, 17 major new Superagents including “autopilots” (that we call “monitoring agents”), Sana Concierge for self-service, Sana Coach for performance coaching, massive improvements to talent acquisition suite, Workday “work intelligence” to break…
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Introducing Business 2030: How AI Can Transform Our Companies
Now that corporate AI tools from Workday, SAP, Oracle, Databricks, ServiceNow and many others have hit the market, it’s time to think about how we apply AI strategically. In this podcast I introduce the idea of Business 2030, a framework built from our HR 2030 architecture. The simple story is as...
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Safely Managing Networks of AI Agents and SAP Autonomous Enterprise
This week SAP explained its new Joule Work and Autonomous Enterprise strategy at its SAP Connect conference. As you’ll hear, SAP is building a solid set of AI agents to compliment and automate many of its business processes and it’s now all live. What does this mean for HR? Well SAP customers now...
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The Philosophical Debate About Superintelligence
There’s a raging debate going on about something called Superintelligence: the idea of a massive AI network that knows everything and does everything for us each day. Bill Gates, Dario Amodei, Elon Musk, Sam Altman, Peter Thiel, and Nick Bostrom are all talking about this, and they’re painting a...
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How HR 2030's Architecture Works & Amazing World of Personal AI Agents
I’m really excited about the potential for Personal AI Agents. While GrokBot and Muse and Microsoft Autopilot (Scout) are very young (and not at all mature yet), we can now clearly see how personal AI is going to transform and disrupt our business lives. In this podcast I explain the architecture...
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TechWolf CEO Andreas DeNeve Wants to Infer Skills With Precision
Andreas DeNeve, founder of TechWolf, believes AI can “infer” your skills with great precision. After years studying this problem TechWolf has built a variety of AI language models to observe and identify your skills and tasks, which then form the basis of many decisions in business. TechWolf...
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How News Corp Thrives In A World of AI: Ruth Allen, Global CHRO
News Corp, with more than $9 billion in revenue, is one of the most important and iconic media and digital real estate companies in the world. The company owns mastheads like The Wall Street Journal, Barrons, The Times, The Sun, New York Post, California Post, Factiva, Realtor.com, and other…
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AI Safety Is an Engineering Problem, Not A Research Program & Introducing Business 2030
Perspectives on AI safety and alignment, and what you as a business leader need to know. I’m attaching a good set of resources for you to read, this is a fascinating issue. Second, I introduce the idea of Business 2030 – the new, ai-powered operating model for business, which is coupled with HR...
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Introducing The Jupiter Release of Galileo: An Inside Story
Today we launch the Jupiter release of Galileo, which we call “HR Intelligence for the Enterprise.” In this podcast I explain the history of Galileo, its evolving and new technical architecture, and how AI agents can revolutionize every aspect of an employee’s work life. As you’ll hear, Galileo…
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Perspectives on AI Safety, Rogue Bots, and the Frontier Lab Slowdown
We are all living in a world of “beta products” from AI vendors, and whether we like it or not we’re stuck with the risks. Today I weigh in with my perspectives about what’s going on and how we, as consumers and builders, need to push back on Frontier Labs and force them to “fix” these issues.…
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The AI-Fueled Labor Shortage and Why HR Is Now A Growth Function
Guess what. There is no AI jobs apocalypse, there’s an AI-fueled labor shortage. And this means human capital and leadership strategies will be more important than ever as we transform our companies around AI. It also means that you, as a professsional or frontline worker, are going to see…
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AI Pacesetter: Seneca Polytechnic Transforms HR As Frontier Firm
What do you do when the funding that anchored your HR transformation disappears unexpectedly? For Seneca Polytechnic, a public college with 44,000 students in the greater Toronto area, the answer was redesigning the transformation itself. In this episode, we speak with Diana Mohan, Executive...
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Labor Day 2035: Why Workers Will Become More Valuable Than Ever
The BLS forecasts an almost flat growth in the labor market in the next decade yet US GDP is expected to grow by 22-24% cumulatively. In order for this to work we are all going to be focused on “labor productivity.” In this podcast I explain this new world of Superworkers and discuss why the word...
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Inside Databricks: The Dynamic Learning Operation That Fuels Hypergrowth
Rochana Golani, VP of Enablement at Databricks, is one of the most innovative and business-focused learning executives I’ve met. In this action-packed conversation Rochana shares the secrets of the company’s AI-powered dynamic training, learning, and enablement system, and how she runs internal…
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Workday Earnings Call: Company Is Moving Swiftly To An AI Future
Workday’s Q2 2027 earnings were a pivot point, showing how Workday has shifted to its “AI-Forward Future.” The company reported $600 Million of recurring AI revenue and a clear and confident position in the market. While Workday’s 12.8% YTY revenue growth is nowhere near that of a Frontier Lab…
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Security Of Enterprise Agents, Frontier Labs Challenged, Superworker Wages
Today I review the various jailbreaks by both OpenAI and Anthropic and the challenges which Frontier Labs are having with AI “alignment.” So in keeping with HR 2030, I share some general advice and stay tuned for our detailed technical paper on this in the coming weeks. And as we debate the...
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Post-AI Labor Market Appears, How To Prioritize AI Investments, More
Today I share some research we’re doing on wages in the inflationary “AI-economy.” While many people are studying the labor market (it’s a huge industry), it’s not hard to see that most wages are not keeping up with inflation, yet some are. As you’ll hear we now see the “Superworker” jobs and…
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Does AI Have Consciousness?
This week I wade into a global philosophical debate about whether advanced AI systems have consciousness. In other words, are they aware of their feelings and do they truly reflect on their own thoughts? Well we do know that LLM-based AI systems do “talk to themselves,” as new Anthropic has been...
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The New, Post-AI, World Of Employment: How Everything Has Changed
I’ve been talking with hundreds of companies about AI and employee issues, and in many ways the entire world of HR, management, and leadership has changed. Employers are worried about job redesign, AI solutions, skills, and strategic of high-volume hiring. They’re slowing the hiring process…
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The Messy World of AI-Powered Recruiting Where Nobody Is Happy
AI-powered recruiting has so much potential, yet job seekers, recruiters, and executives remain frustrated. This massive $100+ billion market is filled with AI systems that work very well, yet as you’ll hear, this market is still immature. Not only are job seekers increasingly frustrated with…
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Workday, Zuckerberg, Galileo, and Frontline Work
Today I discuss Workday and the potential Silver Lake buyout, Meta’s personal AI strategy and it’s potential for business, update on Galileo, and our new research on frontline work. Most of today’s podcast is “analyst perspectives” but lots of direction is now clear. The GHRE Global HR Excellence...
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Despite Massive AI Spending, HR Jobs Are Booming. What's Up?
The job market is changing in unpredictable ways. Human Resources, a profession often considered optional and filled with bureaucracy, has been a target for AI disruption. Yet when you look at the numbers, HR job postings are growing faster than overall US employment. (details here.) What’s...
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Why Vertical and Domain Specific AI is the Biggest Business Opportunity of Them All.
As AI experts leave Google and new startups emerge, engineers are consumed with Superintelligence: building models that can reason, learn, and capture “all the world’s knowledge.” While model evolution is important, I believe we’re going in a different direction: toward vertical, domain and…
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Living A High Agency Life: How Should Companies Respond?
The word of the decade is “Agency” – giving each of us the power, tools, and opportunity to do what we want with our life, jobs, and careers. This new buzzword, now one of the top memes in politics, has been coming for many years. In this podcast I discuss the 50+ year of history in the...
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Elon Musk Believes AI Will Exceed Human Intelligence In Five Years. Here's Why I Disagree.
The word “intelligence” is a loaded word. Here’s what Elon Musk said to the Economist last week: “I think AI may exceed the sum of human intelligence in around five years. There really won’t be anything that AI can’t do better than humans, apart from being human, perhaps.” Well “being human” is...
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Open Source Models: An Exciting New Business Model For Enterprise AI
New names: Kimi K3, Llama, Nemotron, Mistral, Cohere, Deepseek, Phi-4 – these are just a few of the fast-growing open source models from major AI providers. These systems threaten the business models and financial plans of OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, and X.ai. They perform at levels close to...
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How People & Culture Accelerate Growth and Innovation at SharkNinja, Elizabeth Norberg.
SharkNinja is one of the most fascinating, innovative, high-performing companies I’ve seen. Elizabeth Norberg, the People and Culture leader, is also one of the most interesting CHROs I’ve met. So with that introduction, I urge you to take some time to listen. There’s a lot to learn here, but...
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The AI Jailbreak, Implications for Business Agents, And Skills Model for Users of AI
This week we learned of OpenAI’s Jailbreak security breach, which opens the door to many new issues with enterprise AI and HR 2030. This week, following up on the introduction of SHL’s Superworker AI assessment, I dig into the implications of this new AI behavior and discuss the five major…
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New SHL Assessment Identifies Skills For AI-Ready Workforce
SHL, one of the pioneers in industrial and psychological assessment, has now built a new instrument to assess an individual’s readiness for AI. Sara Gutierrez, Chief Science Officer at SHL, explains how SHL is addressing this challenge. Drawing on SHL’s 45-plus years of talent intelligence and...
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Workers Disengaged, Worried, Frustrated Yet Economy Is Booming? What To Do?
It’s a strange time: the economy and capital markets are booming, yet worker engagement is as low as it was during the pandemic. It’s a strange combination of events: stock market at all time highs while affordability and trust are at all time lows. Have we over-inflated our economy or is it...
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Multi-Agent AI For Talent Acquisition Arrives: Eightfold, Paradox, Maki, Radancy, And More
Today Eightfold launched its AI Candidate Agent, so I wanted to explain how the multi-agent world of HR 2030 is coming together. In this podcast I explain what Eightfold is up to and how multi-agent AI systems are now starting to sweep across talent acquisition, particularly in high-volume...
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The Affordability Crisis, AI, And How Corporate Pay Practices Must Adapt
Over the last few years we’ve experienced a global affordability and income inequality problem and there are a myriad of policy issues at play. Yet at the same time something else is going on: wages and employee earnings have fallen way behind growth in GDP, profits, and productivity. What gives?...
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What Can America's 250th Anniversary Teach Us About Organizations?
All organizations, whether they are profit-seeking companies, non-profits, or governments, have politics. And the issues of how we make decisions, the role of top-down vs. bottoms-up governance, and how we empower people to speak up… these are existential topics in any group of people. As the USA...
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How Venture Firms Use AI To Find, Hire, Assess The Best Talent
What if every talent process you ran was AI-enabled — not to replace what you do, but to make you superhuman at it? That’s exactly how Matt Hoffman, Head of Talent and Partner at venture capital firm M13, operates. In this episode Matt explains how his team uses AI to help early-stage founders...
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Korn Ferry Acquires AMS (Alexander Mann Solutions)
This week Korn Ferry announced the $1.1 Billion acquisition of AMS, one of the leading providers of enterprise recruitment outsourcing. As I overview in this podcast, this deal demonstrates several things: First, the talent acquisition space has become enormously important and is rapidly changing...
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Frontier AI Vendors Chase Revenue, How Rules, Policies, and Security Drive Agent Strategy
Today I overview why the Frontier AI vendors are changing as they compete for revenue and how that opens new doors for corporate AI solutions. Remember, your personalization of the technology is more important than the model itself. Then I discuss our new HR 2030 architectural research and how...
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AI-Native Learning Unleashed: Rita Azevedo, Learning Leader at Sana
Sana Learning is a revolutionary product in the $400 Billion L&D market. Today I sat down with Rita Azevedo, Director of Client Engagement at Sana, to talk about everything. What is AI-native learning, how does Sana Learning fit into Workday’s strategy, and how do companies like Polestar, Rolls...
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Is AI Becoming A Commodity? Or Is It Just A "Normal" Technology?
As AI vendors hype “recursive self-improvement” and other scary features, we see more and more “mainstreaming” of AI technology in business. In other words, the AI does not solve problems by itself: we as HR and IT leaders need to clearly define our needs and then buy, build, and tune the...
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AI Hype and Anxiety, And A Peek Under The Covers of HR 2030
We’re now a week past Irresistible 2026 and I want to recap what has been happening in enterprise AI and explain the HR 2030 program. First I discuss how the entire AI industry is over-inflated and what that means to enterprise users. Next I explain why the $1.5 Trillion invested in AI is leading...
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Are OpenAI and Anthropic Missing The Big Enterprise Opportunity?
As we prepare for these juggernauts to go public, I’m reminded of Yahoo, Excite, and AOL who dominated the first four years of the internet. Despite their lead, Google stole the market away. Could the same thing happen again? The argument is not that these companies aren’t powerful, but rather…
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Irresistible Wrapup, New Economics of AI, And Why AI is Like Traditional IT
Here’s my brief recap of the amazing Irresistible 2026 (photos coming), and my discussion with clients about many things, including the new insane costs of AI. I just read a study that Ramp (credit card) did, discovering that the top AI users are spending $7500 per month per employee on AI....
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Irresistible Kickoff: Preparing You For HR 2030 with The Josh Bersin Institute
Welcome to IRRESISTIBLE 2026 at USC in beautiful Los Angeles! Today we welcome 450 of our closest friends and introduce The Josh Bersin Institute Global HR Excellence Certification (GHRE). This is all focused on preparing you for HR 2030, which we also introduced today. Additional Information…
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Why Does HR Exist? AI Redefines Everything, And Here's Why.
As we prepare to launch the HR 2030 Initiative next week, I pose an important question. What IS the real role of Human Resources in a world of AI, automation, and business acceleration? As you’ll hear, we believe HR is no longer the policy police, recruiting, training, or pay department. In a…
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Addressing High Cost of AI, Frontier Fine Tuning, Edge Computing, Microsoft and NVIDIA
This week was pretty exciting: Microsoft unveiled its Frontier Fine Tuning along with a new hardware stack and developer tools, while NVIDIA launched its foray into PC powered AI. Two big themes here: first is reducing computing cost as data centers start driving up all our AI cost, and second to...
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Understanding The New Words of AI: Harness, Layer, Fabric, Surface, And More...
I’ve decided that the biggest challenge we have in AI is now keeping track of the new words being created. Words like harness, layer, mesh, vector, orchestrator, tools, surface, memory – they all mean very special things. And engineers and marketing people keep dreaming up new ones (spine?…
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Google I/O Enterprise Strategy, HR 2030, Avoiding A Bag of Doorknobs
Here’s an update on Google’s Gemini Flash 3.5 (bad name) and how it impacts the enterprise market, an update on Google AI in Search, and an update on the HR 2030 architecture coming out at Irresistible. I also want to thank you as a listener, we discovered that this podcast now reaches 4 million…
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Laurent Aufils, Chief People Officer at Orange Business: AI Transformation Is a People Project
What if the biggest mistake companies make with AI transformation is treating it as a technology problem? Laurent Aufils, Chief People Officer at Orange Business, knows that it’s all about people. In this episode, Kathi Enderes sits down with Laurent to explore how one of the world’s leading...
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The Pope's Encyclical on Safeguarding Humans In The Face of AI
The Pope’s Encyclical on AI is well worth reading. It’s not only about the perils and risks of technology, it’s really a manifesto about power. I found the essay extremely valuable to read so I wanted to share my perspectives on the topic and the fascinating analogy between AI and The Tower of...
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Reflections On The Sana AI Summit In New York City
This week I attended the Sana AI Summit in NYC, so I wanted to share the various conversations and new ideas that came from this multi-disciplinary meeting. I hope my summary helps you see some of the bigger issues at play here. Will AI destroy the job market? What is the real economic value so...
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Surprise, Your AI Doesn't Train Itself. Building and Maintaining AI Agents.
Many of our clients are playing with Claude, building things, and telling us about their amazing new innovations. But there’s a strange misconception out there – the idea that you can just “buy an Agent” and turn it on immediately. AI doesn’t quite work this way. These systems “become you” –…
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Insights on Corporate Talent, Learning, AI, and HR Technology. I discuss new research on all areas of management, leadership, economics, and HR, informed by our proprietary research and deep discussions with clients, vendors, and technology providers.We also publish interviews and case studies from some of the most fascinating and innovative leaders in HR and business.
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