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Late Night Live — Full program podcast — 310 episodes
Ian Dunt's UK, the KPMG scandal, plus 500 years of nightlife
Anna Henderson's Canberra, Jordan stuck in the crosshairs of war, plus Gina Rinehart and the press
Inside the world of sovereign citizens plus the magic of night music
James Baldwin: The loves that shaped a literary giant
Bruce Shapiro's USA, Marwan Barghouti to run for Palestinian president, plus a lost cantata rediscovered
Anna Henderson's Canberra, the Mecca defence pact, and the history of punctuation
Peter Garrett on AUKUS, plus Australia's sugar slaves
Bernard Keane on Australia's opportunities, plus how wine shaped civilisation
Ian Dunt's UK, boycotting The Odyssey, and the last cats of Kangaroo Island
Anna Henderson at Garma, reunifying Cyprus, plus the last butterfly collectors
Encore: Oscar Wilde's grandson on the scandal that ruined him
Russia's far-right bikies, plus the afterlives of Sarah Baartman
Bruce Shapiro's USA, controversial weed killer Paraquat, and curly questions in the Census
Anna Henderson's Canberra, how tech is transforming warfare, and the dark side of Route 66
How British slave money flowed to Australia, plus Trump's grand designs
One Nation's reinvention, plus the fierce women who built democracy
Britain's Burnham era begins, the Pentagon's pollution, plus the case for tighter means-testing
Anna Henderson's Canberra, US attacks in Somalia, and demolishing Nazi bunkers
Why India is threatening Pakistan's water supply, plus the destruction of olive trees in the West Bank
Australia's new treaties in the Pacific, plus do we really want to colonise space?
Bruce Shapiro's USA, how sustainable is Ikea's wood, and the gossip and scandals of Australia's past
Mark Kenny's Canberra, death penalty methods in the US, and why more of us are using subtitles
Jonathan Swan inside Trump's regime, plus Thomas Jefferson's slavery paradox
Ian Dunt on Nigel Farage's future, anti-gay laws in Africa, and the right to safe footpaths in India
Mark Kenny's Canberra, the age of manipulation, plus collecting ancient coins
Did America's Revolution spur Australia's colonisation?
When Australia had the world's first euthanasia laws, plus the huge potential of tiny gardens
Bruce Shapiro's USA, Japan's military woes, and vigilante cactus smugglers
Anna Henderson's Canberra, France ditches Palantir, plus Italy's expanding forests
How Murdoch's media wields power, plus the epidemics we've averted
UN to leave Lebanon, and should we ever bring lost species back to life?
Anna Henderson's Canberra, economist Mariana Mazzucato on the common good, and Australia's first soccer match
Ian Dunt on Keir Starmer's resignation, plus the rise and fall of Islamic State
Whatever happened to the Australian Sex Party? Plus, the drawings that rewrite Aboriginal art history
Anna Goldsworthy on being human in the era of AI, plus the wonders of the Paris Menagerie
Bruce Shapiro's USA, the Indian sailors killed by the US, and First Nations anger at Brisbane Olympic site
Laura Tingle on Israel's response to the US-Iran deal, Trump vs South Africa, and Google's mosquito hunt
'Serbia's Iron Lady' unrepentant for war crimes, plus how humans read faces
Saving the Sepik river, and remembering the Soweto uprising
Ian Dunt's UK, America's 'masculinist' movement, and could Switzerland cap its population?
Finishing La Sagrada Familia, plus why people still love Spam
How Australia changed course on drug policy, and the forgotten boat people of East Timor
Is Muskism the new Fordism? Plus, the maverick psychiatrist who studied life after death
Bruce Shapiro's USA, an Ethiopian philosophy of running, and a Glasgow protest gives hope
Mark Kenny's Canberra, Syrians return home and Lord Howe Island cockroaches
When America admired Iran, plus what are conservative environmentalists fighting for?
Reckoning with war crimes, plus the women at the Nuremburg trials
Ian Dunt's UK, Spain's defiant PM, and Pavlova's tour of Oz
Anna Henderson's Canberra, Bhaskar Sunkara on the Left in America, plus why ancient Roman gossip mattered
Satayjit Das on how the war in Iran has rocked global markets, plus queer Palestinian writer Tareq Baconi on finding home
Roddy Doyle on a lifetime of writing the characters of Dublin
Bruce Shapiro's USA, John Safran on when offending goes too far, and was Blind Freddy real?
Anna Henderson's Canberra, and translating Shakespeare
How royal commissions make a difference, plus cuisine in conflict zones
Ian Dunt on Starmer's demise, Antoinette Lattouf on women who win, plus 50 years of Australian film at Cannes
Australia's first political assassination, plus the man who led Japan into war
Anna Henderson's Canberra, six months in a submarine and the ethics of crisis reporting
Fintan O'Toole on Trump's brand of 'crazy,' plus how to escape the Taliban
Netanyahu faces a new opposition party, plus the lives of those liberated from the Nazi camp Bergen-Belsen
Bruce Shapiro's USA, why community radio matters, and an historic Pitcairn Island document returned
Anna Henderson's Canberra, Kim Jong Un's comeback and classical marble statues - in colour
Australian writers celebrate David Malouf - friend, mentor, inspiration
Ian Dunt on the King's speech to Congress, plus the scandalous life of Dick Meagher
Pakistan the negotiator, and reporting mass shootings
How war fired up indigenous soldiers, and Japanese espionage - fact or fiction?
Who are the British elite today? Plus, memories of polio in postwar Australia
NZ PM's leadership struggle, and the Weintraubs Syncopators' sad end
Bruce Shapiro's USA, Chernobyl's wildlife thriving and the great convict escape on the Catalpa
Anna Henderson's Canberra, how best to commemorate war, plus Lake Eyre tourists need fuel
A Jewish Australian lawyer reckons with state violence. Plus, can corporate scandals be good for the world?
Ian Dunt's UK, the Colombo plan, and AI publishing scams
Jon Lee Anderson on Trump's Cuba threats, plus how chokepoints like Hormuz have shaped history
Australia's fuel import dependency, gay conservatives backing Trump, plus damaged treasures in Iran
The making of poet A.D. Hope, Australian literary giant
Sebastian Smee on being laid off by the Washington Post, plus the secret life of famous author Daniel Defoe
Bruce Shapiro's USA, antibiotic resistance in India, plus Marralwanga's bark paintings
Henry Reynolds turns Australian history upside down
Robert Reich's America, plus ten years since the release of the Panama papers
Ian Dunt's UK, and the Shahs and Ayatollahs of Iran
Western Australia's GST wins, Israel death penalty for West Bank, and mapping the wilderness
Anna Henderson's Canberra, Ash Sarkar critques the modern Left, and should daylight savings be permanent?
The struggle to get aid into the Middle East, plus a great Australian librarian retires
Bruce Shapiro's USA, Trump’s business in the Gulf, plus the Museum of Failure
Anna Henderson's Canberra, a tribute to Rhoda Roberts, and making floristry more sustainable
Guns and God in the USA, plus fresh scrutiny on weedkiller Roundup
Please explain: Niki Savva, Paul Kelly and Antony Green on the resurgence of Pauline Hanson
Ian Dunt's UK, Geoffrey Watson finds the NACC wanting and the power of presidential pardons
The new Nationals' front bench, where Saudi Arabia sits in the Middle East war, and meet veteran protestor Mag Merrilees
Acclaimed historian and author Antony Beevor on Rasputin, and Elon Musk's facilitation of making fake porn with unauthorised images
Funding Australian TV, and conspiracy theories in Irish politics
Bruce Shapiro's USA, Christian rhetoric in the US military, and Vanuatu's lost numbering system
Anna Henderson's Canberra, Economist journalist Sophie Pedder on President Macron's support for Lebanon, and why the power of the mafia - in multiple cultures - still prevails.
Yanis Varoufakis on war and drugs, and 200 years of the State Library of NSW
In conversation with the UK's Ian Dunt
Gideon Levy on Israel's objectives in Iran, the secret life of batteries, and Australia's earliest desert people
Anna Henderson's Canberra, Bruce Shapiro on the US attack on Iran, and when books go bad
Bob Carr on suddenly losing his wife Helena
Bruce Shapiro on Trump's State of the Union, Catholic Church High Court loss and do Australian cities have a guaranteed water supply?
Richard Ackland on the antisemitism Royal Commission, the biodiversity of the high seas, and Mawson's scrawled diaries
Anna Henderson's Canberra, and Helen Clark on the UN's missing senior women
A review of the Pacific labour scheme in Australia, and rethinking the gay rights movement
Ian Dunt's UK, Germany rearms and politicians who dodge questions.
Gambling's grip on politicians, Cuba's invasion threat and greenwashing green burials
Meet the new Liberal Party leaders, what future for Hong Kong, and making music from stars
The US is run by meme lords, and Steven Pinker on common knowledge... and common delusions
Gaza is a nightmare, but once it was a dream
What the NSW State response to the Herzog protest represents, the challenge of digging through the Epstein files, and discovering a very old, very famous Italian artist
Bernard Keane's Canberra, a security pact with Indonesia, and toads most feral
A portrait of the powerful right wing commentator Tucker Carlson, and celebrating Winnie the Pooh
Ian Dunt's UK, India cuts trade deals, and the black market in polar bear fur
Bruce Shapiro's USA, where to now for Iran, and 'Aussie' poster artist Peter Drew
Anna Henderson's Canberra, Herzog in Australia, and Indigenous circus stars
Barry Jones on a life of public service and the state of politics today
The Nationals' split and spill, and American history's banker hero
Bruce Shapiro's America: backlash over Minnesota shootings, Mark Carney's Davos moment, and the tiny world of springtails
Australian politics by the numbers, an expansion of Indigenous Protected Areas, and January 26 throughout history
How Oscar Wilde was reclaimed by his grandson
Ian Dunt: Trump’s tariff strategy and the limits of UK influence, and just who is Stephen Miller?
Bruce Shapiro on Trump's first year plus a Royal finance scandal
Crikey editor Bernard Keane on the political response to the Bondi shooting, and two legal analysts discuss the hate speech legislation
LNL Summer: Tim Minchin on music, fatherhood, the Internet... and nipples
LNL Summer: Preventing war in space, plus the rampage of Australia's last outlaws
LNL Summer: Unearthing more of Pompeii, and a Hollywood shark-hunter in 1930s Australia
LNL Summer: John Menadue critiques Australia's media and our relationship with the United States
LNL Summer: Philippe Sands on war crimes and impunity - from Pinochet to now
LNL Summer: Living rivers, and our obsession with Mars
LNL Summer: Journalists Hanna Rosin and Lauren Ober on seeking truth in Trump's America
LNL Summer: Palestinian psychiatrist on the trauma in Gaza, and a yarn about wool and war
LNL Summer: An Indigenous way of seeing the past, plus making shade cool again
LNL Summer: The feather detective, and the life of Emily Kam Kngwarray
LNL Summer: prison architecture, who invented 'jaywalking', and why keyboards are QWERTY
LNL Summer: Abolishing terra nullius - the legacy of Chief Justice Gerard Brennan
LNL Summer: farewell Laura Tingle plus our love of outdoor cinema
LNL Summer: Antarctica, a tourist hotspot? And Dame Harriet Walter on Shakespeare's women
LNL Summer: The Roosevelts deadly panda quest, plus is AI a con?
LNL Summer: Kate Grenville confronts her settler ancestry
LNL Summer: Was Hitler's filmmaker Leni Riefenstahl complicit in Nazi atrocities?
LNL Summer: A legendary Australian publisher, and saving the beach shack
LNL Summer: Geraldine Brooks, Rachel Kushner and Julia Baird at Adelaide Writers Week 2025
LNL Summer: Trump's war on journalism, plus Robert Dessaix's chameleonic life
LNL Summer: Trans poet and comedian Alok Vaid-Menon on being banned by Trump
LNL Summer: The Aussies the union movement left behind, and what causes a society to collapse?
LNL Summer: Reckoning with the West, and radio propaganda wars in the Middle East
LNL Summer: How Australia bought Pollock's 'Blue Poles', plus when America went hair crazy
Laura Tingle, Hannah Ferguson and Craig Reucassel farewell 2025
Geoffrey Robertson on war crimes impunity, plus how bush medicine saved Allied soldiers in WWII
Bruce Shapiro and Ian Dunt dissect a wild year in US and UK politics
Anna Henderson's Canberra, Indian Maoists surrender, plus are public pools doomed?
Who was the oldest prisoner in history? Plus the breathtaking Birrundudu drawings revealed
Niki Savva on why the 2025 federal election was a political 'earthquake' in Australia
What happened to Nauru's riches? Transgender troops fight Trump, plus the world's oldest prosthetics
Anna Henderson's Canberra plus Netanyahu's political survival
Simon Winchester on wind: the invisble force that we can't live without
Bruce Shapiro's USA, climate and slavery justice for Jamaica and feral foxes
Helen Garner on Erin Patterson's trial and a lifetime of keeping diaries
Anna Henderson's Canberra, inside Myanmar's civil war, and traffic jams in space
Gareth Evans: Australia should do more on nuclear control, plus Joseph Stiglitz warns of 'inequality emergency'
Henry Reynolds turns Australian history upside-down
Ian Dunt's UK, police brutality in Brazil, and Australia's earliest computer
Anna Henderson's Canberra, Sudan's genocidal gold rush and the missing dismissal footage mystery
Do modern Liberals still back Whitlam's dismissal? Plus, the courageous life of 'Weary' Dunlop
Bruce Shapiro on Mamdani's victory, Trump's ballroom blitz, plus an author's win over AI
The legacy of U Thant plus what Australia's earliest photographs can tell us
Anna Henderson's Canberra, banning kids from social media and cracking the Kryptos code
Francesca Albanese: Australia complicit in the Gaza genocide, plus how our polticians got hooked on gambling money
The power of Patrick White plus why we should forgive
Ian Dunt's UK, how Chicago is resisting ICE, and Australian anthropology turns 100
Anna Henderson's Canberra, global surveillance network exposed, and can AI speak whale?
The political drama before the Dismissal, and communing with Stalin's ghost
Looted bronzes returning to Africa, plus love in antiquity
Bruce Shapiro's USA, Suriname's first female president, and a world without sand?
Bernard Keane's Canberra, Chris Hedges slams Western media's coverage of Gaza, and Fiona Stanley's cancelled hospital event
Tim Minchin's nipples are just fine, thanks
Australia's foreign policy in the age of Trump, plus Ilan Pappe on Israel's future
Ian Dunt's UK, trouble in Madagascar, and women in the skies
Tom McIlroy's Canberra, the wonder of clouds, and who speaks Esperanto?
Inside the Gisele Pelicot trial, plus how our cities lost their shade
Could sanctions on Iran backfire? Plus the Australian father of the bomb
Bruce Shapiro's USA, Irris Makler on October 7, and New Zealand's crusade on feral predators
Does our world lack moral ambition? And the Victorian obsession with orchids
Doc Evatt and the making of Israel, plus the twisted history of rope
How Malka Leifer was brought to justice, plus when America went mad for Mars
Ian Dunt's UK, the right to sing in Afghanistan, and how salmon got to Tasmania
Mark Kenny's Canberra, ASIC and Stablecoin, and the threads of empire
When 29 nations defied the world's superpowers, plus the pioneering SA cop Kate Cocks
Busting myths about young Australian voters, plus the decline of NGOs
Bruce Shapiro's USA, Nepal in the aftermath of revolution, and Ackland on defamation
Mark Kenny's Canberra, Trump's corporate clemency, and Muslim-Australian poetry
Questions over the Australian War Memorial literary prize, and trouble for the CIA
The politics of humiliation, plus the billionaire outdoorsman who gave it all away
The UN's report on genocide in Gaza, Donald Trump heads to the UK, and Anguilla's internet jackpot
Anna Henderson's Canberra, Bruce Shapiro on the killing of Charlie Kirk, plus why are we keeping QWERTY?
Germany's Gaza protest crackdown plus solving crimes using feathers
The rise of the Chinese right wing in the US and how memory shapes geopolitics
Bruce Shapiro's USA, 50 years of independent Papua New Guinea, and the closure of Meanjin
Anna Henderson's Canberra, Modi's pivot to China and the death of Aussie gaelic
Abolishing terra nullius: the legacy of Chief Justice Gerard Brennan
Behrouz Boochani on Iran's Revolutionary Guard, plus why Trump is targeting libraries
Ian Dunt's UK, the journalists killed in Gaza, and why we're mesmerised by gold
Anna Henderson's Canberra, Project Esther's antisemitism crackdown, and the dandy as working-class rebel
Liberal Party lost: can the party of Menzies recover?
Robyn Williams' 50 years of science shows, and the French philosopher guiding Silicon Valley
Bruce Shapiro's USA, future Palestinian leadership, and Sydney's old street photography
Anna Henderson's Canberra, Sudan's famine crisis, and Australia's missing poet laureate
Palestinian psychiatrist on the trauma in Gaza, and a yarn about wool and war
John Menadue critiques Australia's media and our relationship with the United States
Ian Dunt's UK, Imran Kahn's defiance in prison, and rebuilding the past
Laura Tingle on Trump & Putin in Alaska, Tuvalu's climate refugees, and why do we have surnames?
How evangelicals transformed Brazil, plus the last letters of French resistance fighters
Journalists Hanna Rosin and Lauren Ober on seeking truth in Trump's America
Bruce Shapiro's USA, why the Egyptians aren't doing more on Gaza, and deer gone feral
Australia to recognise Palestinian statehood, and the first Tasmanians
Satyajit Das on the US debt crisis, plus 100 years of Mein Kampf
Hiroshima and the new nuclear threat, plus inside London's exclusive clubs
Ian Dunt's UK, can peace last between Thailand and Cambodia? Plus, remembering the mad cow crisis
LNL's new theme, lessons from the bridge walk, and Ukraine's corruption woes
Future warfare is already here, plus the Chinese survivors of the Titanic
Unearthing the real Pompeii, plus when Zane Grey went shark-hunting in Australia
Bruce Shapiro's USA, the lost Israeli Left, and Iraq's 'Garden of Eden' marshlands
Annabel Crabb's Canberra, plus Fintan O'Toole on Gaza and the state of global politics
John Hewson says sack the NACC, plus the Roosevelts' giant panda hunt
Starvation in Gaza, China's clean energy boom and Putin's sledgehammer
Ian Dunt's UK, the USA's plans to deport Afghan allies, and the death of the chequebook
Annabel Crabb's Canberra, Saudi drug executions, and Japan's rice shortage
The decline of history teaching, and abortion through the ages
What next when climate litigation fails? And tales of tourists lost in the bush
Bruce Shapiro on US politics, Bill Bowtell surveys 40 years of HIV, and the world's richest shipwreck
Annabel Crabb on Albanese's China trip, Gaza's future, and the genius of feathers
President Trump's war on science, and the value of indigenous history telling
Why the future of Europe depends on the Baltics, plus how might the universe die?
Ian Dunt's UK, the strange world of biohacking, and the flight of the bogong moth
Telling the truth about Victoria's past, plus a US critique of 'woke' elites
Tracing the trajectory of the Christchurch killer, and is AI a con?
The twins separated by foreign adoption, plus the ancient allure of isolationism
Could the world have two Dalai Lamas? And a marathon vote on Trump's 'big beautiful bill'
Albanese's second term ambitions, a new MI6 chief, and the forgotten Flinders brother
How to share resources in space, and the true crimes of Wiradjuri brothers Jimmy and Joe Governor
What is France's role in the world? Plus, a trailblazing, rebellious Māori Professor
Ian Dunt's UK, one year on from Julian Assange's release, and how classical statues lost their noses
Will MAGA Republicans split over Iran strikes? And does Israel have its own nuclear weapons?
The fallacies of the fertility crisis, and a gritty history of Macau
A shambolic expedition to Arnhem Land, and the first despot of North Korea
Bruce Shapiro's USA, Dutch politics in crisis, and the Inca language of knotted strings
Albanese to meet Trump, a history of the Iran nuclear deal, and how the sweet potato crossed oceans
Who is America? And Australia's most successful female artist Emily Kngwarray
Young US men are joining Russian churches, plus an infamous brawl over the haka
Bruce Shapiro's America, and hunting down the Myall Creek murderers
The true power of land ownership, plus giving children the right to vote
Two months on from Myanmar's earthquake, and healing a divided United States
Haiti's gang crisis takes a dark turn, plus the mother of all languages
Ian Dunt's UK, Pakistan and India's war over water, and who named our body parts?
Bernard Keane's Canberra, what America's 'comfort class' doesn't get, and the life of a food critic
The origins of the term 'national security', and actress Merle Oberon's false identity
Abalone cultural heritage in Tasmania and overtourism in the Canary Islands
Bruce Shapiro's America, the money behind the 'Enhanced Games', and an ancient Roman cookbook
Late Night Live farewells Laura Tingle
D-day looms for Woodside's Burrup gas plant, and teaching troubled teens to hunt in the New Zealand wilderness
The Aussies the union movement left behind, and what causes a society to collapse?
Tariff chaos on American shelves, Ukraine minerals deal and Lake Eyre in flood
Laura Tingle's Canberra, and Harriet Walter re-writes Shakespeare's women
The Brazilian Marxists claiming unused land, and Australia's Antarctic obsession
Who's still selling arms to Israel? And the legal rights of nature
Ian Dunt's UK, Europe's thirsty data centres, and the survival of Indigenous message sticks
Laura Tingle's Canberra, US-China trade talks and the art of the courtroom sketch
Does our world lack moral ambition? And the Victorian obsession with orchids
The destruction of Gaza's universities, and Donald Trump's fantasy maps
Bruce Shapiro's America, How Kerala got rich and vale Ted Kotcheff of Wake in Fright
Labor's stunning landslide, plus the hangover from Australia's wine boom
Was Hitler's filmmaker Leni Riefenstahl complicit in Nazi atrocities?
Australia's biggest tax lurks, and Mexico stares down Donald Trump
Ian Dunt on UK's gender wars, John Lyons on Ukraine's resistance, and arts funding under pressure
Laura Tingle's election, and the year that changed the world
Australians in the Spanish Civil War, and when hair was thought to indicate character
What it's like to be raided by DOGE, and the fearless feminist Beatrice Faust
Laura Tingle's election, the survival of NATO, and the misunderstood pigeon
Taiwan and its chips: the colourful history of this strategically important nation
Philippe Sands on war crimes and impunity - from Pinochet to now
Pollies and their private interests, and a forgotten hero in forensics
Harvard defies the White House, Yanis Varoufakis on 'Trump Shock', and Australia's oldest footrace
Laura Tingle's Canberra, the broken promise of religious discrimination reform, and a history of hand gestures
'Sorrow, grief, horror': Kate Grenville confronts her settler ancestry
Antony Green's last election broadcast, and the path ahead for Syria
Bruce Shapiro's Trumpland, Netanyahu's latest scandal, and the death of the interval
Laura Tingle's Canberra, the Brits baulk on AUKUS, and tariffs in the ancient world
John Howard and the 1998 waterfront dispute, plus Peter Rose on life as a literary editor
First Nations resistance in the River Country, and is ignorance always bliss?
Ian Dunt's UK, does the Coalition's gas policy stack up, and Australia's endless rabbit problem
Laura Tingle's federal election, plus defining antisemitism at universities
Gaza and the contradictions of the West, and are priests employees of the Church?
Sexual violence perpetrators getting younger, and lost in the Amazon for forty days
Bruce Shapiro's America, Poland digging trenches, and crime in the Antarctic
Laura Tingle's Canberra, mass protests in Turkiye and Australia's own vernacular
The ethics of posthumous publishing plus the dark side of green cities
Radio propaganda wars in the Middle East, and the firebombing of Tokyo
Ian Dunt's UK, Russia's frozen assets, and Poland confronts its queer history
Laura Tingle's Canberra, Satyajit Das on how to survive a trade war, and trolling before the Internet
The most trusting nation on Earth, and the rise and fall of Trudeau
A new age of nuclear peril, and the Caribbean countries lining up to leave the monarchy
Bruce Shapiro's America, the potential of prison architecture, and Queensland's rebellious first female doctor
Laura Tingle's Canberra, the origins of DEI, and who really discovered gold in Australia?
Alan Rusbridger on the perils of political journalism, and Robert Dessaix on life, death, sexuality and more
The State of the World: the rise of Orbán, Trump and Netanyahu
The State of the Self: Have we lost a sense of community in a post pandemic world?
The State of the Nation: has the myth of the 'fair go' been broken?
Trans poet and comedian Alok Vaid-Menon on being banned by Trump
The story of Russia through Putin's eyes, and the painting that rocked Australian politics
Ian Dunt's UK, NT mining royalties slump and how to rescue a hummingbird
Laura Tingle's Canberra, the money behind far-right young voices and the charlatan geologist from WA
Calls to audit Welcomes to Country, and who pays for climate disasters when insurance folds?
A Catholic Bishop's take on the US Immigration crackdown, and the women who revolutionised Australian publishing