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Rise: Hope and Healing Podcast
by Dr. Kevin Skinner
Rise is a podcast for anyone navigating the devastating impact of sexual betrayal. Season one, hosted by Dr. Kevin Skinner, Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, Certified Sex Addiction Therapist, and Certified Partner Trauma Therapist, alongside MaryAnn Michaelis, Licensed Clinical Social Worker and Certified Sex Addiction Therapist and Certified Partner Trauma Therapist, brings together over 50 years of combined professional and personal experience to offer hope, direction, and healing.Season two, hosted by MaryAnn Michaelis features weekly conversations with leading betrayal trauma experts exploring personal and clinical experience and observations, tools and resources for stabilizing, then thriving in post traumatic betrayal growth. Each episode blends research, clinical expertise, and real-life experience to address the
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Is It a Trigger—or a Warning? How to Tell What Your Body Is Really Telling You After Betrayal with Kris Cristiano | Rise 2:36
After sexual betrayal, your body can react before your conscious mind has time to understand what is happening. A smell, a phrase, a look, a partner's behavior, or even a subtle shift in someone's expression can suddenly leave you flooded, hypervigilant, or convinced that something is wrong. But how do you know whether you're experiencing a trauma trigger—or a genuine warning sign? In this episode of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, is joined by Kris Cristiano, LCSW, CSAT, for a conversation about learning to understand what your body is communicating after betrayal. Your nervous system is designed to detect danger and protect you. After betrayal, however, that system can become highly sensitive. Sometimes your body is responding to a real pattern in the present. Other times, it may be recognizing something that resembles a painful experience from the past and sounding the alarm—even when you are safe right now. The goal isn't to ignore your gut. And it isn't to assume that every feeling of danger means something is wrong. The work is learning to slow down, listen, become curious, and fact-check what you're experiencing. In this episode, MaryAnn and Kris explore: Why betrayal can make you question whether you can trust anyone—including yourself The difference between a trauma trigger and an observable warning sign Why seemingly insignificant sensory experiences, such as a smell, can activate an intense trauma response How your body can detect information before you consciously understand what you're sensing Why some triggers are connected to actual patterns in a partner's behavior How to recognize the difference between a familiar trauma response and something happening in the present Why our bodies don't always communicate in words—and why finding language for our experiences matters How trusted friends, therapists, and groups can help us make sense of what we're feeling Using body awareness and body scanning to identify emotions and sensations How curiosity and compassion can replace self-condemnation and self-blame The ways we may have learned to override our own instincts How journaling can help put words and meaning to experiences that initially exist primarily in the body How parts work and IFS can help us understand the different parts of ourselves responding to betrayal Why slowing down can help us respond according to our values instead of reacting from trauma Why healing includes learning to listen to yourself without automatically believing or dismissing every signal Why this deeper work may not be appropriate immediately after discovery—and why early betrayal trauma requires a different kind of care What if my body is wrong? One of the most important ideas in this conversation is that a body response is information, not necessarily a conclusion. Your nervous system may be telling you, Something isn't safe. Instead of immediately dismissing that message—or immediately acting on it—you can begin to ask: What am I noticing? Where do I feel it in my body? Have I experienced this sensation before? Is there an observable pattern happening right now? Am I responding to what is happening in this moment, or to something my brain remembers from before? This process can create space between the alarm and the reaction. From self-condemnation to curiosity Betrayal can leave you questioning your own judgment: How did I not know? Why didn't I listen to my gut? How could I have been so wrong? But healing isn't about blaming yourself for what you didn't know. MaryAnn and Kris discuss shifting from condemnation to curiosity and compassion—learning to look at your experiences with enough kindness to understand what happened, rather than using hindsight to punish yourself. Because the goal isn't to become someone who never gets triggered. The goal is to become someone who can notice what is happening, understand it, and choose how to respond. A reminder for those who are newly betrayed If you have just discovered a betrayal, you may not be ready for this work yet—and that's okay. When your world has just been shattered, your job may simply be to survive, find safety, and get support. The ability to slow down and carefully distinguish triggers from warnings is often a later-stage healing skill. You don't have to figure everything out today. Healing takes time. And as you heal, you can begin to develop a different relationship with yourself—one where you can listen to your body, question your interpretations without dismissing yourself, and make decisions from greater clarity rather than fear and reactivity. You are not broken because your body is trying to protect you. Sometimes it is telling you about the present. Sometimes it is remembering the past. Healing is learning how to listen. About Kris Cristiano, LCSW, CSAT Kris Cristiano is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker and Certified Sex Addiction Therapist who specializes in sexual betrayal, infidelity, trauma, and relationship recovery. She works with individuals and couples navigating the aftermath of betrayal and incorporates trauma-focused approaches into her work. About MaryAnn Michaelis, LICSW, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT MaryAnn Michaelis is a Licensed Independent Clinical Social Worker, Licensed Clinical Social Worker, Certified Sex Addiction Therapist, and Certified Partner Trauma Therapist. She specializes in betrayal trauma, sexual addiction, trauma, PTSD, and relationship healing and is the host of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal. If this episode was helpful, please subscribe, rate, and share Rise with someone who may need to hear that they don't have to walk the journey of betrayal recovery alone.
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Hijacked by Betrayal Trauma? How to Interrupt the Cycle & Create a New Baseline with Brett Judd, LCSW (Rise 2:35)
Hijacked by Betrayal Trauma? How to Interrupt the Cycle & Create a New Baseline with Brett Judd, LCSW (Rise 2:35) *Note: This episode includes helpful visuals - For the full experience, check it out on YouTube Have you ever been triggered by something your partner said, did, or didn’t do—and suddenly felt like you were no longer in control of your response? You may know logically that your reaction seems bigger than the moment, but your body is already on high alert. You’re anxious, angry, hypervigilant, overwhelmed, or shutting down before you even have time to think. In this episode of RISE, MaryAnn Michaelis LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, is joined by licensed clinical social worker and hypnotherapist Brett Judd to explore what happens in the brain and body when betrayal trauma triggers hijack our ability to think clearly and respond intentionally. Brett explains the emotional arousal cycle and how trauma and repeated experiences can create a new baseline—one where the brain becomes primed to anticipate danger, even when we desperately want safety and connection. For betrayed partners, this can help explain why hypervigilance, overthinking, emotional reactivity, anxiety, withdrawal, and shutdown can feel so automatic. But understanding the cycle is only the beginning. This conversation focuses on where we can interrupt the cycle and how repeated interruptions can begin to create a new baseline. You’ll learn how to: • Recognize when you are being hijacked by a trigger • Understand what is happening in your brain and body during emotional arousal • Recognize why your reactions may feel automatic rather than conscious • Understand how past experiences can create new emotional baselines • See a trigger as information rather than an instruction to act • Use curiosity to create space between a trigger and your response • Notice what your body is telling you when your thinking brain isn't fully online • Use simple questions to understand what is happening underneath your reaction • Recognize when “I don't know” may mean your logical brain has gone offline • Interrupt the emotional arousal cycle • Develop a plan for what you can do differently the next time you're triggered • Begin expanding your window of tolerance • Repeatedly practice new responses that can help create a new baseline One of the most powerful ideas in this conversation is that a trigger is information—not an instruction to act. The goal isn't to never be triggered again. Betrayal trauma recovery isn't about eliminating every difficult emotion or reaction. The goal is to recognize the hijack, understand what is happening, create a pause, and learn to respond differently. Over time, those new responses can begin to change the baseline your brain has learned to expect. If you've ever wondered, “Why do I keep reacting this way?” or “Why does my body respond before I can even think?”, this episode offers a framework for understanding the cycle—and practical ways to begin changing it. About Brett Judd Brett Judd is a licensed clinical social worker and hypnotherapist practicing in Southeast Idaho. He has approximately 30 years of experience in personal change and development, with a focus on trauma, the brain, emotional arousal, and the behavioral patterns that develop in response to trauma. To access the emotional arousal cycle Brett shares, use this link: https://app.steadytide.com/j1.pl?ea9831ceeb6281c36f8979caaf80c83330c18597895ff4df5a5840bbabacf3d2 Brett also creates hypnosis resources focused on sleep, relaxation, emotional processing, and letting go. Find Brett's Hypnotherapy Resources at @BrettJuddHypnotherapy, including resources focused on deep sleep, relaxation, emotional processing, and letting go. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoLr-X9l-0Bh91otlaDKSYg A reminder from MaryAnn: Healing is a journey. Give yourself compassion as you learn to understand your responses, interrupt old patterns, and create new ones.
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The 3-Step Superpower You Already Have: How IFS Can Help You Heal Betrayal Trauma with Jenna Riemersma (Rise 2:34)
The 3-Step Superpower You Already Have: How IFS Can Help You Heal from Betrayal Trauma with Jenna Riemersma What if you already have an internal resource that can help you navigate the anger, confusion, hypervigilance, shutdown, and emotional overwhelm that can come with betrayal trauma? In this episode of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, talks with Jenna Riemersma, CSAT supervisor, IFS Certified Therapist, and IFS Clinical Consultant, about Internal Family Systems (IFS), parts work, betrayal trauma, nervous system regulation, self-compassion, and healing after sexual betrayal. When you've experienced betrayal, it can feel like you're at war with yourself. One part of you may want to leave. Another may desperately want connection. One part may rage, while another shuts down. You may find yourself researching, monitoring, people-pleasing, threatening to leave, forgiving too quickly, or struggling with behaviors that don't seem consistent with who you are. Jenna explains why these seemingly conflicting responses can actually make sense through the lens of IFS and trauma. Rather than judging or fighting against the parts of ourselves we don't like, IFS invites us to approach them with curiosity and compassion—and discover what they're trying to protect, what they need, and how we can respond differently. In this episode, you'll learn: • What Internal Family Systems (IFS) is and how "parts" develop • Why betrayal trauma can make you feel like you're at war with yourself • What IFS means by Self with a capital S • How trauma can burden parts of us with shame, fear, anger, and beliefs like "I'm not enough" • Why some parts become managers while others react through anger, compulsive behaviors, dissociation, shutdown, or people-pleasing • Why you can desperately want connection one moment and want to run the next • How different parts interact with the nervous system during betrayal trauma • The connection between IFS, fight-or-flight, shutdown, and nervous system regulation • Why understanding a part does not mean excusing harmful behavior • How self-leadership can help you make wiser decisions about boundaries and relationships • Why fighting, shaming, or rejecting parts of yourself can make healing more difficult • How IFS can help you approach the question, "Do I stay or do I go?" • Why recovery from compulsive sexual behavior involves more than willpower • How unburdening can help wounded parts return to their original positive roles • The connection between IFS, recovery from pornography and compulsive sexual behavior, and healthy intimacy • How self-compassion can create space between you and a triggered emotional response The 3-Step Superpower: Notice, Know, Need Jenna shares a simple IFS-based practice you can use when you feel emotionally hijacked. NOTICE: "There is a part of me that's activated." Remember: this is a part of you—not all of you. KNOW: "What do you want me to know about you right now?" Instead of assuming why you're angry, afraid, or overwhelmed, pause and listen with curiosity. NEED: "What do you need from me right now to feel a little less agitated and a little more comforted?" These three steps can help you slow down, reconnect with yourself, understand the message underneath your emotions, and move toward a more intentional response. And you may be surprised by what you discover. The goal isn't to get rid of the angry part, the scared part, the hypervigilant part, or the part that wants to protect you at all costs. The goal is to understand these parts, help them feel safe, and reconnect with the wisdom and self-leadership that are already within you. If you're healing from infidelity, sexual betrayal, pornography addiction, compulsive sexual behavior, or betrayal trauma, this conversation offers a compassionate and empowering way to understand what's happening inside you—and begin responding to yourself differently. Resources Jenna Riemersma / Move Toward: JennaRiemersma.com Human Intimacy: HumanIntimacy.com — Resources and education for healing from sexual betrayal, compulsive sexual behavior, and relationship trauma. About Jenna Jenna Riemersma, LPC is a leading authority in the integration of Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy with compulsive sexual behavior and betrayal trauma treatment. As a Certified IFS Therapist, IFS Clinical Consultant, and CSAT Supervisor, Jenna brings over a decade of specialized expertise to the intersection of these critical therapeuticmodalities. She is the #1 best-selling author of Altogether You, IFS Integration, and her newest book Move Toward. Jenna's Books Altogether You: Experiencing Personal and Spiritual Transformation with Internal Family Systems Therapy — an introduction to IFS with a focus on spirituality. Altogether Us: Integrating the IFS Model with Key Modalities, Communities, and Trends — explores integrating IFS with approaches including trauma, EMDR, polyvagal theory, couples work, sexuality, and addiction. Move Toward: A Simplified IFS Therapy Tool to Welcome All Parts of You — Jenna's three-step Notice, Know, Need approach for bringing IFS into everyday life and triggering moments. Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal is hosted by MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, and features conversations with betrayal trauma experts and explores betrayal trauma recovery, sexual betrayal, infidelity, compulsive sexual behavior, relationships, boundaries, and healing. This podcast is for educational purposes and is not a substitute for individual mental health treatment.
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When Did You Start Believing You Were Not Enough? Why Your Worth Was Never the Problem (Rise 2:33)
What if the problem was never that you weren’t enough—but that somewhere along the way, you learned to believe you weren’t? In this episode of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, and Dr. Karen Strange, LMFT, CSAT, CPTT, explore one of the most painful and often overlooked effects of sexual betrayal: the way repeated criticism, gaslighting, denial, and emotional wounds can change how a betrayed partner sees themselves. After betrayal, many partners find themselves asking: Was I not enough? What was wrong with me? Why wasn't I worth choosing? Can I trust my own perception anymore? But these questions often reflect internalized messages—not the truth about a person's inherent worth. MaryAnn and Karen explore how beliefs about being “less than,” unlovable, inadequate, or somehow responsible for a partner's behavior can develop over years or even decades. They discuss how childhood experiences and earlier trauma can create vulnerabilities that are later reinforced by betrayal, gaslighting, criticism, or emotional abuse. They also explore why your worth is not determined by your productivity, your appearance, your partner's behavior, or whether someone else recognizes your value. In this conversation, you'll hear about: Why sexual betrayal can profoundly impact self-worth and self-image How gaslighting and repeated criticism can create deep self-doubt The connection between childhood experiences and beliefs about being “not enough” Why we can begin to believe the negative stories others tell us How to question the beliefs and narratives you've internalized The difference between your actual worth and your perception of your worth Using Internal Family Systems (IFS) concepts to connect with wounded younger parts of yourself A practical tapping/EFT exercise for trauma, self-acceptance, and emotional regulation Why looking at a childhood photo can be a powerful way to reconnect with compassion and innocence The powerful question: When does a baby lose its value? Why your worth doesn't increase when you achieve—and doesn't decrease when someone betrays you How trusted people can sometimes hold hope and truth for us when we can't see it for ourselves yet One of the central messages of this episode is simple but profound: What happened to you may have changed the way you see yourself. It did not change your worth. If you are struggling with shame, self-blame, low self-esteem, self-doubt, or the belief that you weren't enough after sexual betrayal, this conversation offers a compassionate place to begin looking at those beliefs differently. About Your Hosts MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, is a therapist specializing in betrayal trauma, sexual addiction, trauma recovery, and relationship healing. She is the founder of HART (Healing Addiction, Relationships, Trauma) Recovery Institute and host of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal. Dr. Karen Strange, LMFT, CSAT, CPTT, is a licensed marriage and family therapist specializing in sexual addiction, betrayal trauma, and relational healing. She brings a trauma-informed perspective to helping individuals and couples understand the impact of betrayal and move toward healing. If this episode is helpful, please share it with someone who may need the reminder that their worth was never the problem. To find more healing resources, please check out our online courses at humanintimacy.com
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Sex After Betrayal: Dr. Stefanie Carnes on Betrayal Trauma, Intimacy & Healing (Rise 2:32)
What happens to your sexuality when the person you trusted most betrays you? Betrayal doesn't just affect your emotions. It can change how you experience your body, your sexuality, intimacy, desire, trust, and even your sense of yourself as a sexual person. In this powerful episode of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, is joined by Dr. Stefanie Carnes, one of the most recognized voices in the field of sexual addiction, betrayal trauma, and relational recovery. Dr. Carnes and MaryAnn take an honest look at sex after betrayal—including why sexual intimacy can feel impossible even when a betrayed partner desperately wants connection, why rebuilding trust has to come before sexual reintegration, and how betrayal can leave partners questioning their bodies, their desirability, and their own sexuality. They also explore the difficult territory that often goes unspoken: What happens when you don't feel safe enough to have sex, but you still feel like you should? What happens when you feel angry about the sexuality that was taken from you? And how do you begin reclaiming your sexuality without abandoning yourself in the process? Dr. Carnes shares insights from her work with betrayed partners, including the Partner Sexuality Survey and the updated edition of Facing Heartbreak, which gives partners a framework for exploring the many ways betrayal can affect sexuality. Together, MaryAnn and Dr. Carnes discuss: Why betrayal trauma can profoundly affect sexual desire and intimacy Why trust and emotional safety are foundational to sexual connection What happens when sexual behaviors become betrayal trauma triggers Why trying to “fix” sex before addressing the trauma can backfire The impact of pornography and comparison on body image and self-worth Why betrayed partners may feel pressure to become their partner's sexual outlet Sexual self-abandonment—and the deeper wound of betraying yourself The grief of lost time, intimacy, and even childbearing years How partners can reclaim their sexual agency after betrayal Creating a shared vision for healthy sexuality after betrayal The importance of boundaries and a couple's sexual health plan Why emotional healing is the bridge to sexual reintegration How couples can begin rebuilding intimacy without rushing the process Dr. Carnes also discusses her books Facing Heartbreak and Courageous Love, and why recovery is possible—even after profound betrayal. Facing Heartbreak is specifically designed to help partners work through the devastation of betrayal and move toward healing and hope. If you are struggling with sex after betrayal, you are not broken. Your response may be telling you something important about safety, trust, and what your nervous system has experienced. This conversation gives language to an aspect of betrayal trauma that is often overlooked: the betrayed partner's sexuality matters, too. Resources: Gentlepathpress.com humanintimacy.com Books mentioned in this episode Facing Heartbreak — Dr. Stefanie Carnes (newly updated) Courageous Love: A Couples Guide to Conquering Betrayal — Dr. Stefanie Carnes Key Topics Sex after betrayal • betrayal trauma • sexual intimacy after infidelity • sexuality after betrayal • sex addiction • pornography betrayal • rebuilding trust • rebuilding intimacy • sexual reintegration • body image after betrayal • sexual boundaries • Partner Sexuality Survey • Facing Heartbreak • Stefanie Carnes • Patrick Carnes • betrayed partners • couples recovery
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Divorce After Sexual Betrayal: How to Know If Leaving Is the Right Decision with Dr. Kevin Skinner (Rise 2:31)
After sexual betrayal, one of the most painful questions can become: Should I stay, or should I leave? What if there is no obvious right answer? And when divorce enters the conversation, the decision can feel overwhelming. Children, finances, family, faith, fear, hope, anger, trauma, and the possibility of your partner changing can all pull you in different directions. In this episode of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, and Dr. Kevin Skinner, LMFT, CSAT-S, CPTT-S, take a compassionate, honest look at divorce after sexual betrayal—and how to make an informed decision about whether leaving is right for you. They explore why this decision is rarely as simple as “stay” or “go,” and why no one else can make it for you. In this episode, you’ll hear about: Why sexual betrayal and infidelity are significant factors in many divorces The unique experience of being betrayed and divorced—and the gaps in support for this population Why deciding whether to leave may be one of the most difficult decisions you ever make How friends, family, religious leaders, and even therapists can unintentionally influence your decision The difference between getting support and being told what you “should” do Why it is important to gather multiple data points before making a life-changing decision How children, finances, family systems, and the long-term impact of divorce complicate the decision The difference between hope, apathy, numbness, and feeling like the “light has gone out” Why watching your partner’s actions—not just their words—matters when evaluating recovery How boundaries can help you step out of helplessness and begin making decisions from a stronger place Why some people choose to stay while others choose divorce—and why neither decision should automatically be judged The importance of self-compassion when looking back at the choices you made at different points in your healing What support can look like during and after divorce The impact of divorce on children and family relationships across generations Why healing doesn't end when the divorce is final The importance of rebuilding your identity and remembering that your worth is not defined by whether you stay or leave When you’re stuck between staying and leaving One of the most powerful themes in this conversation is that you don't have to make your decision based solely on someone else's opinion. You may have people telling you to leave. You may have people telling you to stay. You may have a partner who promises to change. You may have children who make the decision feel impossible. You may have financial concerns that make leaving feel terrifying. And you may simply not know. Dr. Skinner emphasizes the importance of gathering information, seeking support, and paying attention to what is actually happening—not just what you hope will happen. Because ultimately, this is your life, your relationship, and your decision. If you're considering divorce after infidelity or sexual betrayal This episode is for you if you've found yourself asking: “Should I stay?” “Should I leave?” “Can I trust that my partner is really changing?” “What if I regret leaving?” “What if I regret staying?” “How do I know I'm making the right decision?” There may not be an easy answer. But there can be a more informed one. And wherever you are in that process, you deserve support—not judgment. Remember Whether you stay or leave, your worth does not change. Sexual betrayal may profoundly affect your relationship, your sense of safety, your identity, and your future—but it does not define your value as a person. You don't have to have everything figured out today. You can gather information. You can seek support. You can listen to yourself. And you can make the decision that is right for you. Related Resources Rebuild Your Life After Divorce - Online Course with Personalized Feedback and Assessments For additional support during the process of divorce and recovery, visit HumanIntimacy.com to access the Rise Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal Course, our Course on Boundaries, Communication, and resources to help repair and enhance your relationship. If you are newly discovering sexual betrayal, be sure to explore Season 1 of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, created specifically for those early days and weeks after discovery. If this episode resonates with you, please share it with someone who may be walking through sexual betrayal or considering divorce. No one should have to walk this path alone.
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Signs of Recovery: What to Look for Before You Decide to Stay with Kris Cristiano (Rise 2:30)
Can trust really be rebuilt after sexual betrayal? When you've been betrayed, everyone seems to have an opinion. Some people tell you to leave immediately. Others encourage you to forgive and move on. But the question that often gets overlooked is this: What does real recovery actually look like? Before you decide whether to stay in your relationship, it's essential to know what you're looking for. In Part 3 of this series, MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, and Kris Cristiano, LCSW, CSAT, unpack the characteristics of authentic recovery—not the kind that is fueled by guilt, fear of consequences, or a desperate attempt to save a relationship, but the kind that reflects genuine transformation from the inside out. Recovery is more than attending therapy, joining a support group, or saying the right words. It is a gradual process of becoming emotionally mature, learning to regulate emotions instead of escaping them, embracing humility over defensiveness, choosing transparency over secrecy, and developing the capacity to create emotional safety for the person you've hurt. Whether you're asking, "Can my relationship heal?" or "How do I know if my partner is really changing?" this episode will help you move beyond hope alone and begin looking for evidence of lasting change. In This Episode You'll Learn Why no therapist, family member, or friend can tell you whether you should stay or leave The difference between genuine recovery and performative recovery Why humility—not shame—is one of the strongest predictors of long-term healing What emotional maturity actually looks like after betrayal How emotional regulation creates the foundation for rebuilding trust Why transparency and honesty reduce shame and increase safety The role of community, accountability, sponsors, therapy, and healthy support systems in lasting recovery How to recognize when recovery is driven by validation instead of transformation Red flags that suggest someone is managing appearances instead of doing the deeper work Why listening to your intuition is an important part of the healing process The Heart of This Conversation One apology doesn't rebuild trust. Neither does perfect attendance at therapy, saying all the right things, or simply avoiding old behaviors. Lasting recovery is revealed through consistent patterns of humility, accountability, emotional growth, and a willingness to remain teachable. It's seen in how someone responds when they're uncomfortable, how they handle feedback, how they regulate difficult emotions, and whether they continue choosing honesty even when it's costly. Healing isn't about waiting for perfection. It's about learning to recognize genuine transformation. This Episode Is Part 3 of Our Series Part 1: The Battle of Finding Yourself After Betrayal: Why Healing Isn't Always About Leaving Part 2: Considering Leaving a Relationship After Sexual Betrayal: How to Decide Part 3: Signs of Recovery: What to Look for Before You Decide to Stay If you've been wrestling with whether your relationship can survive sexual betrayal, this three-part series will help you move from fear to clarity—first by reclaiming yourself, then by learning how to make wise decisions, and finally by recognizing the signs that real healing is, or isn't, taking place. Because the decision to stay shouldn't be based on promises. It should be based on patterns.
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The Battle of Finding Yourself After Betrayal: Why Healing Is Not Always About Leaving with Dr. Karen Strange (Rise 2:29)
The Battle of Finding Yourself After Betrayal: Why Healing Isn't Always About Leaving How do you know when it's time to leave a relationship after sexual betrayal? It may seem like the most important question—but what if it's not the first one you need to answer? In Part 2 of this conversation, MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, and Dr. Karen Strange, LMFT, CSAT, CPTT explore the deeper battle many betrayed partners face: the struggle to find themselves again after betrayal. While it's natural to become consumed with deciding whether to stay or leave, true healing often begins by reclaiming your identity, your voice, and your sense of worth—regardless of what happens to the relationship. Drawing from Michelle Mays' powerful reflections in her book, "The Betrayal Bind," MaryAnn and Karen discuss how betrayal trauma can leave you feeling disconnected from yourself, caught in self-doubt, and trapped by old beliefs about your value. They explore why healing isn't about fixing your partner or earning a particular outcome, but about untangling yourself from the lies betrayal has reinforced and becoming whole again. Whether your relationship survives or ends, the journey of recovery is ultimately about rescuing yourself. In This Episode Why deciding whether to stay or leave is rarely the first step in healing. The hidden battle many betrayed partners wage within themselves. How betrayal trauma can lead to self-abandonment and loss of identity. Why you can't control your partner's choices—but you can reclaim your own life. Michelle Mays' powerful perspective on rescuing yourself from the lies you've believed. How healing old attachment wounds helps you make decisions from clarity rather than fear. Why becoming whole matters whether your relationship is restored or not. Finding hope, peace, and a stronger sense of self after betrayal. Key Takeaway The greatest healing after betrayal isn't always found in leaving—or staying. It's found in becoming the kind of person who no longer has to abandon themselves to keep a relationship. When you reclaim your identity, your worth, and your voice, you're finally able to make decisions from a place of truth instead of fear. If you're struggling to decide whether to stay or leave after sexual betrayal, remember this: before you can know what's right for your relationship, you deserve the opportunity to rediscover the person who gets to make that decision. Resources Mentioned "The Betrayal Bind" by Michelle Mays Connect with Us If this episode encouraged you, please subscribe, leave a review, and share it with someone who may need hope today. Your support helps us reach more individuals navigating the pain of betrayal trauma and searching for healing.
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Considering Leaving a Relationship After Sexual Betrayal? How to Decide with Dr. Karen Strange (Rise 2:28)
Considering Leaving a Relationship After Sexual Betrayal? How to Decide One of the most painful questions after discovering sexual betrayal is: "Do I stay, or is it time to leave?" If you're considering ending your relationship after infidelity, pornography addiction, or another form of sexual betrayal, you're not alone—and you don't have to rush your decision. In this episode, betrayal trauma therapists MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, and Dr. Karen Strange, LMFT, CSAT, CPTT, explore how to thoughtfully navigate one of the hardest decisions you'll ever face. Rather than telling you what to do, they discuss the questions, relationship patterns, and signs to evaluate so you can make a decision that aligns with your values, safety, and long-term healing. You'll learn why emotional clarity often comes after your nervous system begins to heal, how therapeutic separation can create space for discernment, and what healthy relationships have in common when genuine repair is possible. Whether you're newly navigating discovery or have been wrestling with this decision for months—or even years—this conversation offers compassionate guidance without pressure or judgment. In This Episode Why you don't have to decide immediately after discovering betrayal The difference between therapeutic separation and divorce How betrayal trauma affects decision-making and emotional clarity Why patterns of behavior matter more than promises or apologies The importance of safety, respect, honesty, and accountability How healthy boundaries reveal the health of a relationship Questions to ask when evaluating whether your relationship can heal The role of hope, genuine recovery, and consistent change Common fears that make leaving feel impossible, including finances, children, faith, and starting over How to make a decision you can live with—without regret Key Takeaways Give yourself permission to slow down before making permanent decisions whenever safety allows. Look for consistent actions, not just sincere words. A healthy relationship is built on respect, emotional and physical safety, honesty, friendship, and mutual effort. Healing your nervous system often brings the clarity that trauma initially obscures. No one can decide for you—but you can learn what to look for as you discern your next steps. Resources Mentioned Should I Stay or Should I Go? by Lundy Bancroft Gottman's Four Horsemen of Relationship Breakdown Human Intimacy recovery resources Connect If you're healing from sexual betrayal and looking for additional support, visit HumanIntimacy.com for courses, resources, and educational content designed to help individuals and couples navigate recovery.
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Healing from Sexual Betrayal: 20 Years of Lessons on Trauma, Grief & Couples Recovery with Carol Juergensen Sheets (Rise Season 2: Episode 27)
Can a relationship truly heal after sexual betrayal? After nearly 20 years of helping couples recover from betrayal trauma, renowned therapist, author, and creator of the Early Recovery Couples Empathy Model (ERCEM), Carol Juergensen Sheets, LCSW, CSAT-S, CCPS, joins MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT to answer one of the most difficult questions couples face: What does real healing actually require? In this powerful conversation, Carol shares the lessons she's learned from working with thousands of individuals and couples navigating sexual addiction, infidelity, pornography addiction, and betrayal trauma. She explains why healing isn't about "getting back to normal," but about creating something stronger through safety, empathy, grief work, and intentional recovery. You'll also learn why grief is often the missing piece in betrayal recovery, why trust takes years—not months—to rebuild, and what healthy recovery actually sounds like. Whether you're a betrayed partner, someone in recovery seeking to rebuild trust, or a therapist working with couples, this episode offers practical guidance, realistic hope, and a clear roadmap for lasting healing. In This Episode Why betrayal trauma is one of the most devastating relational injuries a person can experience The three phases of the ERCEM (Early Recovery Couples Empathy Model) Why emotional safety must come before attachment repair The essential role of grief in healing after sexual betrayal What genuine empathy looks like—and sounds like—from the offending partner Why recovery is rarely linear and how to navigate setbacks How full disclosure, restitution, and consistent actions rebuild trust Why lasting recovery typically unfolds over three to five years The difference between CSAT, CPTT, and APSATS-trained professionals How couples can experience post-traumatic growth and create a healthier relationship than before Key Takeaways Healing begins with safety—not forgiveness. Grief isn't a setback; it's a necessary part of recovery. Trust is rebuilt through consistent empathy and accountability. Healthy recovery creates a new relationship rather than restoring the old one. Recovery takes time, but lasting healing is possible. Resources Mentioned Help Her Heal by Carol Juergensen Sheets Help Them Heal by Carol Juergensen Sheets ERCEM (Early Recovery Couples Empathy Model) APSATS (Association of Partners of Sex Addicts Trauma Specialists) IITAP (International Institute for Trauma and Addiction Professionals) Carol's website: Sex Help with Carol the Coach Grief After Betrayal Impact Survey HumanIntimacy.com About the Guest Carol is a licensed social worker and personal life coach. She is a Certified Sexual Addictions Therapist – Supervisor and a Certified Clinical Partner Specialist for and a faculty member of both training organizations. She was a lead trainer for APSATS on the Multidimensional Trauma Model educating professionals about trauma & partner betrayal. She has developed a training and certification Program: ERCEM--The Early Recovery Couples Empathy Model for professionals to help couples heal. She has trained over 250 professionals worldwide on the ERCEM Model and is currently training all over the world. Carol started the first podcast on Sexual Addiction in 2007 and started the APSATS podcast specifically on partner betrayal. Carol’s books include Help. Her. Heal. An Empathy Workbook for Sex Addicts to Help Their Partners Heal, Unleashing Your Power: Moving Beyond Sexual Betrayal, Help. Them. Heal Teaching You Both How to Navigate Your Relationship After Sexual Betrayal. Her new book, Helping Couples Heal After Infidelity and Find Love Again teaches ERCEM skills to help couples build a new relationship that has honesty and truth as its foundation. Her workshops, trainings have changed the world of problematic sexual behavior and partner betrayal have changed how professionals work in this specialized niche. If you'd like more resources for healing please visit humanintimacy.com to access our online companion courses focused on betrayal trauma, boundaries, communication, and sex addiction recovery. Contact us at [email protected] with questions or podcast topics you would like us to address.
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Healing After Betrayal From Within: A Mindfulness Approach With Dallin Brunn, MBSR (Rise Season 2, Episode 26)
When betrayal shatters your reality, it's natural to look outward for safety. But safety can be difficult to find when you feel disconnected from yourself, questioning your instincts, doubting your reality, and struggling to regulate overwhelming emotions. What if healing begins by learning to trust yourself again? Healing doesn't begin by controlling your emotions—it begins by changing your relationship with them. In this episode of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, host MaryAnn Michaelis, LICSW, CSAT, CPTT, welcomes mindfulness expert and therapist Dallin Bruun, AMFT, MBSR, for an inspiring conversation about using mindfulness to recover from betrayal trauma. Together they explore why mindfulness isn't simply meditation—it's learning to meet your pain with curiosity, compassion, and presence instead of fear or avoidance. Dallin explains how betrayal activates survival responses like fight, flight, and dissociation, and how mindfulness gently teaches the nervous system that safety can begin from within. You'll also hear practical ways to begin reconnecting with yourself through breath, body awareness, self-compassion, and simple grounding practices that anyone can begin today. Whether you're newly navigating discovery or further along your healing journey, this episode offers hope that trusting yourself again is possible. In This Episode You'll Learn Why betrayal trauma disrupts self-trust The difference between reacting and responding How mindfulness calms the nervous system Why your body holds emotional pain How self-compassion helps heal betrayal trauma Practical mindfulness exercises for emotional regulation Why awareness—not fixing—is often the beginning of healing How to reconnect with your intuition after gaslighting Gentle grounding techniques you can practice today Why healing starts with your relationship to yourself Memorable Quote "You can become the source of the safety, compassion, and trust you've been searching for." Resources Mentioned Tara Brach and the RAIN meditation practice Kristin Neff's Mindful Self-Compassion practices Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction (MBSR) Mindful Self-Compassion (MSC) courses Somatic approaches for trauma healing Connect with MaryAnn and the Human Intimacy Team If this episode encouraged you, subscribe to Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, leave a review, and share this episode with someone navigating betrayal trauma. For additional resources, courses, and support for betrayal trauma recovery, visit www.humanintimacy.com. If there's a topic you would like us to address, or you would like to share comments, questions or concerns, please send an email to: [email protected]
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How Do You Know When You're Ready For Couples Therapy After Betrayal? An Attachment-Based Conversation with Dan Oakes (Rise 2:25)
How do you know when you are ready for couples therapy after betrayal? An Attachment-Based Conversation with Dan Oakes Healing after betrayal isn't simply about stopping unwanted behaviors—it's about rebuilding safety, restoring attachment, and learning an entirely new way of relating. In this episode, MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, sits down with Dan Oakes, LPC, CSAT, and Certified Sex Offender Treatment Specialist, founder of the Arizona Family Institute, for a thoughtful conversation on what true recovery looks like after sexual betrayal. Through the lens of attachment theory, Dan explains why compulsive sexual behaviors are best understood as disruptions in the attachment system, why couples counseling should never begin too early, and how both partners can begin rebuilding trust. Together they explore why healing isn't about "getting over it," but about creating a relationship where fear can be spoken, received, and soothed. In This Episode You'll Learn When couples counseling is appropriate—and when it's too soon The essential conditions that create emotional safety before relationship repair can begin Why betrayed partners often experience fearful-avoidant attachment after discovery How betrayal trauma affects the nervous system long after disclosure Why honesty and transparency matter more than perfection The difference between traditional couples therapy and betrayal-informed couples therapy Why healing requires learning entirely new emotional skills How therapists help couples create corrective emotional experiences that rebuild secure attachment Why recovery isn't about eliminating fear—but learning how to respond to it together Key Takeaways Recovery Is About More Than Stopping Behaviors Dan explains that compulsive sexual behaviors are often attempts to regulate distress through artificial sources of dopamine rather than healthy human connection. Lasting recovery requires rebuilding the attachment system—not simply relying on willpower. Couples Therapy Requires Readiness Healing together begins only after meaningful safety has been established. This includes honesty, accountability, stabilization of compulsive behaviors, and the betrayed partner feeling ready to begin reconnecting. Betrayal Changes the Attachment System After betrayal, many partners experience fearful-avoidant attachment. They deeply desire closeness while simultaneously experiencing intense fear and nervous system activation around the very person they love. The Nervous System Is Protecting, Not Failing Hypervigilance, intrusive thoughts, sleep disruption, emotional flooding, and avoidance are not signs of weakness—they are adaptive responses designed to keep someone safe after profound relational injury. The Most Powerful Skill in Healing One of Dan's most memorable insights is that long-term healing depends on creating conditions where the betrayed partner feels safe enough to express fear—and where the offending partner actively seeks out that fear with curiosity, compassion, and accountability rather than defensiveness. Recovery Is a Lifelong Practice The goal isn't reaching a point where betrayal is never discussed again. Instead, healthy relationships become places where fears, insecurities, and emotional needs can always be expressed and lovingly received. Memorable Quotes "Secure attachment isn't the absence of fear. It's knowing that when fear shows up, someone will respond." "Healing isn't about never talking about betrayal again. It's about creating a relationship where you always can." "Recovery isn't just solving a problem. It's learning how to build a life together." About Dan Oakes Dan Oakes is a Licensed Professional Counselor, Certified Sex Addiction Therapist (CSAT), and Certified Sex Offender Treatment Specialist. He is the founder and Clinical Director of the Arizona Family Institute in Mesa, Arizona, where he specializes in attachment-based treatment for betrayal trauma, compulsive sexual behaviors, couples healing, and family therapy. Resources Mentioned Arizona Family Institute SHIFT Men's Intensive If this episode encouraged you, please subscribe, leave a review, and share it with someone navigating healing after betrayal. For individual and couple online resources, courses, and support, visit www.humanintimacy.com
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Just When I Thought It Couldn’t Get Worse: Debra Kaplan and The Hidden Relationship Between Financial Infidelity and Sexual Betrayal | Rise Season 2, Episode 24
Financial infidelity is a hidden but powerful dimension of betrayal that can significantly intensify the emotional, relational, and financial impact of sexual betrayal. Drawing on her unique background in both Wall Street finance and clinical therapy, guest Debra L. Kaplan, MA, MBA, LPC, PACT-II, CSAT-S joins MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT as they explore the often overlooked intersection of financial infidelity and sexual betrayal. This episode sheds light on the profound impacts of financial secrecy, hidden accounts, debt accumulation, and violations of agreed-upon financial boundaries on betrayed partners. Together, they examine how financial betrayal impacts not only trust and emotional safety, but also financial security, stability, and long-term planning, often leaving betrayed partners overwhelmed and unsure of where to begin. This episode also offers practical, grounded guidance for early discovery—how to begin identifying financial information, what steps to take first, and how to rebuild both emotional and financial self-trust after betrayal. Key Topics Covered Financial Infidelity and Sexual Betrayal Trauma How financial infidelity often co-occurs with sexual betrayal, creating compounded trauma and a deeper sense of destabilization. Why Financial Betrayal Feels So Destabilizing The impact of financial infidelity on safety, security, housing stability, and long-term financial planning. The Spectrum of Financial Infidelity From small undisclosed purchases to major financial abuse including hidden accounts, debt accumulation, and misuse of shared assets. Financial Secrecy vs Financial Privacy Understanding the difference between healthy financial autonomy and harmful secrecy within relationships. Financial Abuse and Control Dynamics How financial abuse may involve restricting access to funds, manipulating accounts, or covertly shifting financial responsibility or debt. First Steps After Discovery Practical initial steps for betrayed partners including accessing bank records, gathering financial documentation, and seeking legal or financial consultation when appropriate. Rebuilding Financial Self-Trust How individuals begin restoring confidence, agency, and clarity after financial betrayal and relational destabilization. About the Guest Debra L. Kaplan, MA, MBA, LPC, PACT-II, CSAT-S, is an author, speaker, and licensed therapist specializing in sexual addiction/compulsivity, sexual and financial infidelity, and relational trauma. After a career on Wall Street, Ms. Kaplan transitioned into psychology, integrating her financial expertise with clinical practice. She is the author of: For Love and Money: Exploring Sexual & Financial Betrayal in Relationships Battle of the Titans: Mastering the Forces of Sex, Money, and Power in Relationships Coupleship Inc: From Financial Conflict to Financial Intimacy (Lead Author) She facilitates workshops, trainings, and intensives focused on emotional, sexual, and financial intimacy, helping clients and couples rebuild trust after betrayal. Contact Information (Guest) Debra L. Kaplan (she/her/hers) MA, MBA, LPC, PACT-II, CSAT-S ✉️ www.debrakaplancounseling.com About the Host MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT is the host of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal. She specializes in betrayal trauma, sexual addiction recovery, and relational healing using trauma-informed, attachment-based approaches to support individuals and couples rebuilding trust after betrayal.
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Braving with Michelle Mays: Attachment, Identity, Belonging, Self-Trust, and the Betrayal Bind | Rise Season 2, Episode 23
In this episode of Rise, MaryAnn Michaelis sits down with Michelle Mays for a deeply grounded conversation on BRAVING, attachment injury, identity, belonging, self-trust, and the Betrayal Bind. Michelle Mays is a licensed clinician, betrayal trauma specialist, and the creator of the BRAVING Hope® framework, an attachment-based model for healing after sexual betrayal and relational trauma. Her work helps individuals and couples understand how betrayal impacts the nervous system, attachment systems, identity, and the capacity for self-trust. Together, MaryAnn and Michelle explore how betrayal disrupts not only relationships, but also internal identity structures, emotional safety, and the sense of belonging to self and others. They discuss how the nervous system organizes around attachment injury and why healing requires both relational understanding and internal reconnection. This conversation draws from Michelle’s clinical work, her Braving Hope® immersive program and training model, and her book The Betrayal Bind: How to Heal When the Person You Love the Most Hurts You the Worst, which offers an attachment-based framework for understanding betrayal trauma and the path toward recovery. In this episode, we explore: The BRAVING framework and what it reveals about attachment injury Why betrayal trauma disrupts identity and nervous system regulation The concept of the Betrayal Bind and the “impossible relational dilemma” it creates How self-trust is fractured in betrayal—and how it is rebuilt over time Why belonging becomes unstable after relational rupture The role of attachment systems in trauma responses and healing How Michelle’s Braving Hope® program supports structured recovery Clinical insights from The Betrayal Bind and real-world healing pathways Key themes: Attachment trauma • Betrayal trauma • Identity reconstruction • Nervous system regulation • Self-trust • Belonging • BRAVING Hope® framework • The Betrayal Bind • Emotional safety • Relational healing About Michelle Mays Michelle Mays, LPC, CSAT-S, is a clinician, educator, and author specializing in betrayal trauma and attachment injury. She is the creator of the BRAVING Hope® treatment model and immersive program, and the author of The Betrayal Bind: How to Heal When the Person You Love the Most Hurts You the Worst. Her work integrates attachment theory, nervous system science, and clinical experience to help individuals rebuild safety, identity, and self-trust after betrayal. Learn more about her work, programs, and resources at: michellemays.com About the Host MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, is a licensed clinical social worker and trauma therapist specializing in betrayal trauma, sexual addiction, and attachment injury. She is the founder of the HART Recovery Institute and host of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, where she explores the lived experience of betrayal trauma and the process of rebuilding identity, self-trust, and relational safety. Her clinical work integrates attachment theory, nervous system science, EMDR, and trauma-informed approaches to support individuals and couples in deep relational healing. About The Betrayal Bind The Betrayal Bind is Michelle Mays’ foundational book on betrayal trauma and attachment injury. It explores the relational paradox at the heart of betrayal: when the person you depend on for safety is also the source of harm. The book offers an attachment-based framework for understanding trauma responses and provides a pathway toward rebuilding self-trust, emotional regulation, and relational clarity. About BRAVING Hope® The Braving Hope® immersive experience is Michelle Mays’ signature program for betrayed partners. It provides structured education and experiential work focused on attachment healing, nervous system regulation, and identity restoration after betrayal trauma. About Rise Rise is a podcast exploring betrayal trauma, attachment injury, and the process of rebuilding identity, self-trust, and connection after relational rupture. Season 2, Episode 23
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Betrayal Didn’t Create All of the Pain—It Exposed Old Wounds: Why Healing Requires More Than Understanding the Betrayal with Dr. Karen Strange Rise Season 2, Episode 22
After discovery or disclosure, many betrayed partners find themselves searching for answers. They read books, listen to podcasts, join support groups, and begin learning about betrayal trauma. Yet even with all of that information, many continue to feel overwhelmed, disconnected, and deeply wounded. In this episode of Rise, MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, and Dr. Karen Strange, LMFT, CSAT, CPTT, explore the deeper work of betrayal trauma recovery. They discuss how betrayal impacts identity, confidence, self-worth, and attachment, and why healing often requires more than simply understanding what happened. Together, they explore the connection between present pain and earlier life wounds, the role of support groups and therapy, the challenge of integrating head knowledge into heart healing, and the surprising growth that can emerge through recovery. If you have ever wondered why betrayal feels so devastating—or why healing takes more than time—this conversation offers insight, validation, and hope. In This Episode Why Betrayal Trauma Impacts Identity Betrayal often causes people to question who they are. Many betrayed partners experience significant drops in: Confidence Self-worth Self-trust Sense of identity Feelings of attractiveness and value MaryAnn and Karen discuss how betrayal can trigger long-standing insecurities and attachment wounds that may have originated years before the relationship. Understanding Core Beliefs After Betrayal Many betrayed partners find themselves asking: Was I not enough? Am I too much? If I were different, would this have happened? The episode explores how betrayal can activate deeply rooted beliefs formed in childhood, adolescence, or previous relationships, and why identifying those beliefs is a critical part of healing. The Disconnect Between What We Know and What We Feel Many individuals understand intellectually that the betrayal was not caused by their shortcomings. Yet emotionally, they continue to feel defective, unwanted, or unworthy. MaryAnn and Karen discuss: The gap between head knowledge and emotional healing Why insight alone does not resolve trauma How therapy can help uncover the roots of persistent self-doubt The process of transforming beliefs at a deeper level Healing Attachment Wounds and Past Trauma When Betrayal Reopens Old Wounds One of the most powerful aspects of betrayal trauma is its ability to expose unresolved emotional injuries. The pain of betrayal can reactivate experiences from: Childhood Family relationships School experiences Previous romantic relationships Earlier attachment injuries While painful, this process can reveal areas that need healing and provide an opportunity for profound personal growth. Trauma-Focused Therapies That May Help Karen discusses the value of working with trained professionals who understand betrayal trauma and attachment injuries. Approaches may include: EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) Accelerated Resolution Therapy (ART) Attachment-focused therapy Trauma-informed counseling The Importance of Support in Betrayal Trauma Recovery We Are Wounded in Relationship and Healed in Relationship Healing rarely happens in isolation. Karen emphasizes the importance of: Betrayal trauma support groups Trusted friendships Recovery communities Healthy therapeutic relationships Supportive relationships can help challenge distorted beliefs and provide encouragement during the healing process. Why Community Matters Many betrayed partners believe they are alone in their experience. In reality, countless others are navigating similar challenges. Being surrounded by people who understand can: Reduce shame Increase hope Provide validation Create opportunities for growth Strengthen resilience Learning to Trust Yourself Again One of the most painful consequences of betrayal is the loss of self-trust. Many partners spent years sensing that something was wrong only to be dismissed, denied, or manipulated. MaryAnn and Karen discuss: Rebuilding confidence in your intuition Giving yourself the benefit of the doubt Learning to trust your perceptions again Strengthening self-awareness and personal boundaries The Role of Self-Care in Recovery A powerful moment in the conversation centers on a simple question: "Who's taking care of you?" For many betrayed partners, self-care has been replaced by caretaking, busyness, and survival. The episode explores: Why self-care is often neglected How busyness can become a coping strategy The importance of addressing your own needs Creating space for healing and personal growth Growth, Healing, and Hope After Betrayal While no one would choose the pain of betrayal, many people discover unexpected growth through the recovery process. Healing can lead to: Greater self-awareness Stronger boundaries Increased self-trust Deeper emotional resilience A clearer sense of identity and purpose Recovery is difficult work, but it can also become a pathway to becoming more grounded, authentic, and connected to yourself. Key Takeaways Betrayal trauma affects much more than the relationship. It can impact identity, confidence, attachment, and self-worth. Healing requires more than information. Understanding betrayal trauma is important, but lasting recovery involves deeper emotional work. Support matters. Therapists, support groups, and trusted relationships can play a vital role in the healing process. Self-trust can be rebuilt. Learning to trust yourself again is one of the most important parts of recovery. Growth is possible. Even in profound pain, healing can lead to greater strength, clarity, and self-understanding. Resources Mentioned Books The Journey from Abandonment to Healing by Susan Anderson Therapeutic Approaches EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) Accelerated Resolution Therapy (ART) Connect With Rise If this episode resonated with you, please subscribe, leave a review, and share it with someone who may benefit from this conversation. Healing happens in connection, and no one should have to walk this journey alone.
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From Sifting Sand to Bedrock: Rebuilding a Foundation After Sexual Betrayal with Kris Cristiano, Rise Season 2, Episode 21
From Sifting Sand to Bedrock: Rebuilding a Foundation After Sexual Betrayal with Kris Cristiano, Rise Season 2, Episode 21 For many betrayed partners, life after D-Day can feel futile, like grabbing at sand—confusing, unstable, and overwhelming, with every thought, memory, or trigger adding to the emotionally unmanageable mess. In this episode of Rise, Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, is joined by Kris Cristiano, LCSW, CSAT as they explore what it really feels like to rebuild after sexual betrayal—when your internal world no longer feels stable, predictable, or safe. Together, they unpack what it means to move from emotional instability into grounding, and how to begin rebuilding a foundation that can actually hold weight as they highlight the following topics: What Happens After Sexual Betrayal (The “Sifting Sand” Experience) Emotional confusion and hypervigilance after disclosure Why betrayed partners feel like they are constantly “on alert” The shift from trust to questioning everything Why the nervous system begins scanning for danger The mental overload of outside opinions Social media, family, friends, and conflicting advice Why clarity feels impossible in early recovery The emotional exhaustion of trying to make sense of it all Why nothing feels stable anymore The loss of relational safety The constant search for something solid to hold onto The “sand vs. rock” internal experience Grounding After Betrayal: How Stability Begins Why confusion is a signal, not a failure Noticing when the system is overloaded The importance of stepping back from decision-making in confusion Simple grounding techniques for nervous system regulation Feet on the ground, posture, breath Sensory awareness (5-4-3-2-1 technique) Returning to the present moment through the body Why the body must heal before clarity returns Trauma stored in the nervous system Why thinking alone cannot solve emotional overwhelm Moving from survival brain to regulated brain Rebuilding a Foundation That Can Hold Weight The “emotional backpack” of betrayal trauma Why life feels suddenly heavier and harder Energy depletion and trauma load Why normal functioning becomes exhausting What is and isn’t in your control Partner’s recovery vs. your own grounding Reclaiming internal agency in a chaotic season Small steps that rebuild stability Connection with safe people Connection with body and senses Connection with meaning and identity Moving from Sand to Bedrock Why healing is not linear Cracks in foundations are part of rebuilding Progress vs perfection in recovery Reconnecting with identity after betrayal “Who am I now?” after relational rupture Rebuilding self outside of crisis response mode Finding what helps you “rise” What restores energy and regulation Returning to life with support, not pressure Conclusion Healing after sexual betrayal is not about rushing clarity—it is about rebuilding stability from the inside out. When everything feels like sand, the goal is not to force answers, but to slowly return to grounding, connection, and safety in your own body and life. Resources Grief After Betrayal Impact Scale Survey - please consider taking a few minutes to help with our ongoing research. Visit Humanintimacy.com for the Rise Companion Course, Courses on Communication, Boundaries and both Individual and Couple Healing.
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Escaping the Prison of Silence After Sexual Betrayal, with Dr. Kevin Skinner, Rise Season 2, Episode 20 the Prison of Silence After Sexual Betrayal, with Dr. Kevin Skinner, Rise Season 2, Episode 20
In this episode of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, and Dr. Kevin Skinner, LMFT, CSAT, CPTT, continue their series on rebuilding life after betrayal trauma by focusing on one of the most essential—and most difficult—parts of healing: connection. After betrayal, many survivors begin questioning not only their relationship, but their entire sense of safety with people. Dr. Skinner shares research showing that betrayal trauma often impacts our perception of trust, causing many to withdraw from friends, family, peers, and support systems. Isolation can feel safer in the short term, but healing rarely happens alone. Together, MaryAnn and Dr. Skinner explore: Why betrayal trauma often leads to isolation and avoidance The nervous system’s fear of vulnerability and connection How secrecy and carrying trauma alone impacts the body and mind The healing power of support groups and safe relationships Common fears and barriers people experience when considering group support Why not all groups feel emotionally safe—and how to find healthy support The importance of “parking lot conversations” and authentic connection outside formal group time How healing happens through validation, attachment, and being truly seen The role of safe relationships in calming PTSD symptoms and rebuilding trust Attachment wounds, exclusion trauma, and the brain’s response to rejection How helping and supporting others in recovery also strengthens our own healing Dr. Skinner shares powerful clinical stories illustrating how even one safe relationship can begin to regulate the nervous system and shift long-held beliefs of “I’m alone” into “I matter.” The conversation highlights how group healing is often less about the curriculum and more about the relationships formed through shared vulnerability and understanding. MaryAnn also discusses: The difference between structured therapy groups and 12-step groups Why some group formats may feel triggering or invalidating Reframing harmful “co-addict” or codependency messaging through a trauma-informed lens The importance of finding people who can witness pain without minimizing it How collective healing creates growth, insight, and hope This episode is a compassionate reminder that while connection after betrayal can feel terrifying, safe relationships are often one of the most transformative parts of recovery. Key Takeaways Betrayal trauma frequently disrupts a person’s ability to trust others. Isolation may feel protective, but long-term healing requires safe connection. Group support can reduce shame, normalize experiences, and provide emotional regulation. Being witnessed in pain creates attachment and healing. One safe, nurturing relationship can profoundly impact recovery. Healing often happens collectively through shared stories, validation, and support. Resources Treating Trauma from Sexual Betrayal by Kevin Skinner Attached by Amir Levine and Rachel Heller Secure by Amir Levine Sue Johnson and attachment-based healing concepts Patrick Carnes recommendation: attend a group multiple times before deciding if it’s a fit Grief After Betrayal Impact Scale Survey - please consider taking a few minutes to help with our ongoing research. Visit Humanintimacy.com for the Rise Companion Course, Courses on Communication, Boundaries and both Individual and Couple Healing. Listener Invitation If you are navigating betrayal trauma and feeling isolated, this episode encourages you to consider reaching out for support. Whether through therapy, group work, trusted friendships, or community, healing often begins when someone says: “I see you. You matter. You are not alone.”
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Finding Yourself After Betrayal: Identity and the 8 C’s of Self with Kris Cristiano (Rise Season 2, Episode 19)
Finding Yourself After Betrayal: Identity and the 8 C’s of Self with Kris Cristiano (Rise Season 2, Episode 19) In this episode of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT and Kris Cristiano, LCSW, CSAT, explore one of the deepest and most painful questions betrayal trauma survivors face: “Who am I now?” When betrayal shatters trust, it often disrupts identity, self-concept, confidence, joy, and connection to self. Together, MaryAnn and Kris unpack the healing process of rediscovering your core self while also making space for the ways trauma and life experiences fundamentally change us. Through personal stories, clinical insight, humor, and practical tools, this conversation explores individuation, differentiation, dissociation, nervous system healing, and reconnecting with authenticity after trauma. In This Episode How betrayal trauma distorts identity and self-concept Why many survivors feel disconnected from themselves The difference between survival mode and authentic living Reconnecting with values, interests, joy, creativity, and play Why healing is not about “going back” but reconnecting with your core self The importance of nervous system regulation in trauma recovery How storytelling helps integrate trauma and rebuild identity Why fun, laughter, and play are essential parts of healing Understanding dissociation and compartmentalization during betrayal trauma Practical grounding exercises to reconnect with yourself Key Themes Discussed Rediscovering Who You Are MaryAnn and Kris discuss how betrayal can cause people to abandon parts of themselves in order to survive, maintain relationships, or keep systems functioning. Healing often involves intentionally reclaiming lost parts of identity — even through small things like favorite foods, hobbies, humor, music, creativity, or values. The Role of Trauma in Identity Trauma changes the brain, nervous system, emotional responses, and worldview. Survivors may struggle with concentration, joy, emotional regulation, or activities they once loved. The episode emphasizes patience, self-compassion, and understanding that healing takes time. Nervous System Healing The conversation explores practices that help regulate the nervous system, including: Meditation Yoga Walking Singing Dancing Play Safe social connection Intentionality Emotional processing Dissociation and Presence MaryAnn shares how betrayal trauma can create a dream-like sense of disconnection from reality and self. The discussion includes practical ways to stay grounded and present while also honoring overwhelming emotions and triggers. Storytelling and Meaning-Making Kris explains how sharing our stories in safe spaces helps the brain integrate trauma, close emotional loops, and rebuild identity over time. The 8 C’s of Self in IFS Drawing from Internal Family Systems (IFS), the episode references the “8 C’s” — qualities associated with the core Self when we are grounded, centered, and not led by fear or trauma parts: Calm Clarity Compassion Confidence Courage Creativity Connectedness Curiosity The conversation explores how healing often involves reconnecting with these qualities rather than abandoning who we truly are. Memorable Moments The story of “watermelon” as a symbol of reclaiming identity after decades of self-abandonment The “what kind of eggs do you actually like?” metaphor from Runaway Bride Why “fun is part of recovery” MaryAnn’s reflections on reconnecting with humor and play after trauma The reminder that healing is not linear, rushed, or one-dimensional Listener Reflection Questions Who was I before betrayal? What parts of myself have I abandoned? What activities, interests, or values made me feel most alive? What brings me peace, joy, creativity, or connection today? What small step could help me reconnect with myself this week? Resources The Body Keeps the Score - Bessel van der Kolk Stephen Covey - Start with the End in Mind The Color Code - Dr. Taylor Hartman GABIS https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Grief-scale Boundary Basics https://www.humanintimacy.com/course/boundary-basics Explore guided support and recovery tools: humanintimacy.com youtube.com/@human-intimacy
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Reconstructing Faith After Betrayal: Finding Meaning in the Messy Middle with Dr. Karen Strange (Rise Season 2, Episode 18)
In this episode of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, MaryAnn Michaelis LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, is joined by Dr. Karen Strange, LMFT, CSAT, CPTT, for a deeply compassionate conversation about what happens when betrayal trauma shakes not only our relationships—but also our faith, identity, and sense of meaning. Together, they explore the often unspoken spiritual impact of betrayal and the painful questions that arise in the “messy middle” of healing, including: Why did this happen? Can I still trust my higher power? What do I believe now? For many betrayed partners, recovery is not just about rebuilding trust with a spouse—it can also involve deconstructing and reconstructing long-held beliefs about God, safety, purpose, and self-worth. This episode holds space for that complexity with gentleness, honesty, and hope. In this episode, you’ll hear: How betrayal trauma can impact faith and spiritual identity Why anger at a higher power is a common and valid response The experience of feeling “betrayed by God” or spiritually abandoned How trauma can destabilize beliefs about meaning, safety, and self The role of grief in spiritual deconstruction and reconstruction Why the “messy middle” of not knowing is part of healing How clients begin to rebuild their spiritual foundation after betrayal The connection between truth, lies, and identity after trauma What it means to find your “why” in the midst of suffering Tools and practices discussed: Writing a letter to your higher power to express grief, anger, and questions Allowing and honoring emotions instead of suppressing them Identifying and challenging internalized “lies” after betrayal Practicing self-compassion during identity disruption Reframing painful experiences through meaning-making and reflection Seeking safe relational support during deconstruction and healing Key themes: Spiritual deconstruction and reconstruction Emotional honesty in faith crises Identity loss and rebuilding after betrayal trauma Meaning-making in suffering The importance of safe connection and support Hope in the “messy middle” of healing MaryAnn and Dr. Strange emphasize that questioning, wrestling, and even feeling anger toward a higher power are not signs of failure—they are often part of a deeply human healing process. Over time, many individuals find that their faith is not necessarily destroyed, but transformed. Healing is not linear, and you are not alone in the questions you are carrying. Resources "Man's Search For Meaning," Viktor Frankl GABIS https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Grief-scale Boundary Basics https://www.humanintimacy.com/course/boundary-basics Explore guided support and recovery tools: humanintimacy.com youtube.com/@human-intimacy
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You Are Not Your Partner's Mother, Sponsor, or Dumping Ground: Boundaries and Trusting Your Gut with Rhyll Croshaw (Rise Season 2, Episode 17)
You Are Not Your Partner's Mother, Sponsor, or Dumping Ground: Boundaries and Trusting Your Gut with Rhyll Croshaw (Rise Season 2, Episode 17) In this powerful episode of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, MaryAnn Michaelis LCSW, CSAT, CPTT is joined by Rhyll Croshaw, a pioneer in betrayal trauma recovery, author of "What Can I Do About Me?",and co-founder of the SA Lifeline Foundation and SAL12step.org. Rhyll brings decades of lived experience, professional insight, and grounded wisdom to a conversation that speaks directly to one of the most confusing and painful parts of recovery after betrayal: How do I hold boundaries and learn to trust myself again when I’ve been conditioned to doubt my gut? In this episode, Rhyll shares her story of 53 years of marriage and insights learned from 32 years of betrayal trauma recovery work, including: what happens when betrayed partners find themselves over-functioning in relationships—becoming the emotional regulator, caretaker, or unintended “dumping ground” for their partner’s emotions, recovery work, or instability. At the heart of this conversation is a powerful truth: You are not your partner’s mother. You are not their sponsor. You are not their emotional dumping ground. And learning this boundary distinction is a critical part of healing. In This Episode, We Explore: Why betrayed partners often lose trust in their own intuition and gut instincts How external voices (partner, sponsor, family, culture) can override internal knowing The emotional cost of becoming the “dumping ground” in a relationship Why boundaries are not rejection—they are role clarification The difference between supporting someone and over-functioning for them What it means to practice compassionate detaching How to recognize when you are carrying emotions that are not yours to hold Why trusting your gut is a recovery skill, not an automatic ability Key Takeaways: Your gut is not broken—it has been drowned out by survival and confusion Boundaries are about identity, roles, and emotional safety You cannot be someone’s partner, parent, and sponsor all at once Compassion does not require emotional over-responsibility Healing includes learning to say: “This is not mine to carry.” Powerful Themes in This Episode: Trusting Your Gut After betrayal, intuition often becomes clouded by fear, doubt, and conflicting messages. Relearning to listen to yourself is central to recovery. Boundaries as Role Clarity Boundaries are not punishment or withdrawal—they define what is and is not yours to hold in a relationship. Compassionate Detaching Detaching does not mean abandoning love. It means staying connected to yourself while releasing responsibility for what belongs to another adult. Emotional Over-Responsibility Many betrayed partners unconsciously become emotional caretakers for their spouse’s recovery or regulation—at great personal cost. Memorable Quotes & Concepts: “You are not your partner’s sponsor, mother, or dumping ground.” “Boundaries aren’t rejection—they’re role correction.” “Your gut still speaks, but too many voices have been louder than it.” “Detaching with compassion means I care—but I don’t carry what isn’t mine.” Hope & Healing Reminder: Recovery is not just about understanding betrayal—it is about reclaiming yourself. Learning to trust your gut, hold boundaries, and step out of over-responsibility is not selfish. It is foundational to healing, clarity, and emotional safety. Resources & References: What Can I Do About Me? by Rhyll Croshaw Dopamine Nation by Anna Lembke SA Lifeline Foundation https://salifeline.org SAL 12 Step https://sal12step.org The Recovery Puzzle Recovery Circles Model Rise online companion course Boundary Basics online course Human Intimacy online courses - communication, relationships, The Intimacy Repair Method GABIS - the Grief After Betrayal Impact Scale Survey - Contribute to our Resarch! Share This Episode If this episode resonates with you, please share it with someone who may be: second-guessing their intuition carrying emotional responsibility that isn’t theirs learning to set or hold boundaries after betrayal
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Holding Boundaries Through Discomfort: Emotions, Pushback and Staying Grounded with Dr. Skinner (Rise Season 2, Episode 16)
Holding Boundaries In Discomfort: Emotions, Pushback and Staying Grounded with Dr. Skinner (Rise Season 2, Episode 16) In this episode of Rise: Hope & Healing After Sexual Betrayal, MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT is joined again by Dr. Kevin Skinner LMFT, CSAT, CPTT to continue the powerful conversation on boundaries—this time focusing on what happens after you set one. Because the truth is… setting a boundary is only the beginning. What happens when your partner pushes back? When fear floods in? When you’re not even sure you can follow through? This episode steps into the emotional reality of holding boundaries—the discomfort, the fear, and the growth required to stay grounded in your values. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: Why boundaries must be rooted in your personal values (your “why”) The role of homeostasis—and why change in relationships feels so hard The difference between rigid vs. flexible boundaries Why you are allowed to change your mind as you learn and grow What it really means to follow through on a boundary How to handle pushback, resistance, or defensiveness The impact of shame filters in the betraying partner Why boundaries often trigger fear of loss and abandonment The importance of differentiation—holding onto yourself in the relationship How to stay grounded when you feel triggered, anxious, or dysregulated Key Takeaways: Boundaries are not about control—they are about self-alignment and safety If a boundary isn’t connected to your values, it will be difficult to maintain You don’t have to get it perfect—you need to stay aware and adaptable Discomfort is not a sign you’re doing it wrong—it’s often a sign of growth You can be both shaky and strong at the same time Emotional Reality Check: Holding boundaries may bring up: Fear (“Will this end my relationship?”) Anxiety (“What if I can’t follow through?”) Confusion (“Am I doing this right?”) Grief (loss of identity, loss of what was) This is normal. You are learning a new way of being—like writing with your non-dominant hand. 🛠️ Practical Tools Shared: Define your boundary by asking: “What is my why?” Communicate clearly: “If X happens, I will respond by doing Y.” Prepare for resistance—it doesn’t mean the boundary is wrong Regulate yourself before having the conversation Build support systems (friends, therapists, safe people) Give yourself permission to adjust as you learn Final Thought: Boundaries are only as strong as the work you’ve done within yourself. And even when it feels uncomfortable, uncertain, or scary— you are allowed to take up space, have needs, and honor them. 🔗 Resources Mentioned: Dr. Kevin Skinner’s work on rebuilding after betrayal Rebuild Your Relationship After Sexual Betrayal Boundary Course at Human Intimacy: https://www.humanintimacy.com/link/9yNi7c?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.humanintimacy.com%2Fcourse%3Fcourseid%3Dboundary-basics www.youtube.com/human-intimacy Grief After Betrayal Impact Scale Survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Grief-scale Like and Share the Podcast If this episode resonated with you, please help us reach others who may need support by liking and sharing it. You never know who needs to hear that they’re not alone.
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Slow Down, Don’t Torch It Down: Why Attachment Makes Boundaries Feel So Threatening with Dr. Karen Strange (Rise Season 2, Episode 15)
Slow Down, Don’t Torch It Down: Why Attachment Makes Boundaries Feel So Threatening If boundaries feel overwhelming, confusing, or even dangerous to your relationships—this episode is for you. In this conversation, MaryAnn Michaelis LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, and Dr. Karen Strange, LMFT, CSAT, CPTT, slow things down to explore why boundaries are so hard, especially in the context of attachment. This isn’t about “just set a boundary.” It’s about understanding the deep, often invisible forces—attachment styles and wounds, fears of loss, early modeling, and unmet needs—that can cause boundaries feel like a threat instead of a healthy tool. Drawing from Robert Frost's Mending Wall, insights from The Betrayal Bind, and foundational principles in Boundaries, this episode reframes boundaries as something deeply relational—not rejecting. Because when boundaries feel like they might cost you connection… of course you hesitate. Check out our ttransformative course Boundary Basics online course- designed to help you understand, define and create healthy boundaries for all of your relationships at: https://www.humanintimacy.com/course/boundary-basics. What This Episode Explores The meaning behind “good fences make good neighbors” from Mending Wall—and why boundaries aren’t about keeping people out, but defining space with clarity and care Why boundaries can feel like risking the relationship instead of protecting it The very real fear of losing attachment, approval, and connection How family of origin (FOO) modeling shapes your ability to set boundaries How abuse and emotional neglect can create “collapsed” or unclear boundaries Why humans are wired to seek approval and belonging—and how that complicates boundaries How attachment styles (anxious, avoidant, secure) influence: your ability to set boundaries your reaction when others set them The internal experience of “I don’t even know what I need” Why confusion is a normal part of boundary work The difference between external rules vs. authentic, internal empowerment Why boundaries must be personalized to be sustainable (a core principle echoed in Boundaries) The fluid nature of boundaries—they can evolve as you heal A foundational truth emphasized throughout: Betrayal is a boundary violation. Period. How The Betrayal Bind helps frame boundaries as protective and adjustable, not all-or-nothing What we can learn from early childhood development (even at age 3) about having a voice without fear of punishment or loss Why many adults still struggle to say “no” without fear of losing love The pattern of “waffling” on boundaries and what’s underneath it How to de-personalize your partner’s reactions to your boundaries Why your partner’s protest is often not about you The role of shame in resisting or reacting to boundaries How addiction and trauma can lead to arrested emotional development Why boundaries actually help us become more relational—not less Key Takeaways Boundaries feel hard because they are tied to attachment, safety, and survival If you didn’t see healthy boundaries modeled, you’re likely learning a new language Not knowing what you need is not failure—it’s part of the healing process Boundaries are not about punishment—they are about protection and clarity You may “waffle” as you learn—this is normal, not a setback Other people’s reactions to your boundaries often reflect their own limitations, shame, or lack of tools As shame decreases, boundaries become less threatening and more collaborative Like the rebuilding of the wall in Mending Wall, boundaries are something we maintain and revisit over time Healthy boundaries don’t destroy relationships—they create the conditions for real connection Reflection Questions When I think about setting a boundary, what am I afraid might happen? Do I associate boundaries with loss of connection or safety? Where did I learn (or not learn) how to have boundaries? What do I actually need right now—and can I sit with that question without rushing the answer? Am I reacting to someone else’s boundary as if it’s about me? Closing Encouragement If you feel the urge to “torch it down”—to react, shut down, or avoid—pause. Slow down. There’s likely a deeper fear underneath… one tied to connection, safety, and being seen. As both The Betrayal Bind and Boundaries reinforce, boundaries are not about pushing people away—they are about defining what allows relationship to be safe and sustainable. Boundaries aren’t here to take connection away. They’re here to help you finally experience it in a healthier way. Resources GABIS https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Grief-scale Boundary Basics https://www.humanintimacy.com/course/boundary-basics The Betrayal Bind - Michelle Mays Boundaries - Drs. Henry Cloud and Townsend Explore guided support and boundary tools: humanintimacy.com
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Boundaries, Bottom Lines and Triggers: What you Need to Know After Betrayal with Kris Cristiano (Rise Season 2, Episode 14)
Episode Summary What are boundaries—really? And why do they feel so hard to get right after betrayal? In this episode, Rise hostess MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT sits down with Kristin Kristiano, LCSW, CSAT to unpack the confusion around boundaries—what they are, what they’re not, and why so many attempts at “setting boundaries” actually create more disconnection. We explore the critical shift from trying to control someone else to creating safety within yourself, how to identify your bottom lines, and what it looks like to hold boundaries when you’re triggered. This conversation brings clarity, validation, and a grounded path forward for anyone navigating betrayal trauma. In This Episode they Address: What boundaries actually are (and what they’re not) The difference between requests vs. boundaries Boundaries and child development Differences between prescriptive vs. adaptive boundaries Why control leads to resistance in relationships How to shift from controlling behaviors → self-protection Understanding bottom lines and non-negotiables When a relationship may no longer feel safe to continue The difference between being triggered vs. something being wrong How to regulate before responding Rebuilding self-trust by listening to your body Key Takeaway Boundaries are not about changing someone else—they are about creating safety for yourself and learning to trust your own voice again. Listener Invitation If this episode resonated with you, please share it with someone who may need support in their healing journey. Check us out @youtube.com/human-intimacy Follow Rise: Hope & Healing After Sexual Betrayal for more conversations that help you rebuild trust, reclaim your voice, and find healing after betrayal. Remember: Self-trust is rebuilt by listening inward, not controlling outward
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Boundaries 101: From Chaos to Clarity with Jennifer Johnson (Rise Season 2, Episode 13)
Stepping into one of the most requested—and misunderstood—topics: Boundaries, in this episode, Jennifer Johnson CMHC, CSAT, CPTT and MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT break down what boundaries actually are, what they aren’t, and why they can feel so difficult—especially after betrayal. What Boundaries Are (And Aren’t) What Boundaries Are Not Punishment Control Ultimatums What Boundaries Actually Are Boundaries are about creating emotional safety for you. It’s not about controlling them—it’s about taking care of you. Boundaries vs. Rules Rules Focus on Them “You need to stop…” “You have to…” Boundaries Focus on You “If this happens, this is what I will do.” This shift moves you from: Powerless → Empowered Reactive → Grounded Why Boundaries Feel So Hard Common Trauma Responses After betrayal, it’s normal to: Feel frozen or powerless Swing from no boundaries → extreme boundaries Confuse control with safety These are trauma responses—not failures. The “All or Nothing” Trap What Many People Assume Boundaries only look like: Separation Sleeping apart Divorce What Boundaries Can Actually Look Like Taking space Going for a walk Pausing before responding Reaching out for support Boundaries create safety—not punishment or forced distance. The Key to Boundaries That Hold: Your “Why” Without a Why Boundaries feel inconsistent You second-guess yourself They often collapse With a Clear Why You feel grounded You stay consistent Communication becomes more effective Understanding: What triggered you Why it matters What you need …creates sustainable boundaries. Boundaries Are Internal Work What Boundaries Really Do Reclaim your voice Clarify your needs Restore a sense of control After betrayal, boundaries become a way to say: “I choose how I take care of me.” If Boundaries Feel Hard A Gentle Reminder This is normal This is a process You don’t have to do it perfectly Boundaries can feel especially difficult when you still want: Connection Safety Repair You’re not doing it wrong—you’re learning something new. What’s Coming Next This episode begins a deeper series on: Bottom Lines and Safety vs. Punitive Control Boundaries Abandonment and Attachment Holding Boundaries when the Other Person Pushes Back When Boundaries Lead to Relationship Change Share & Connect If this episode helped you: Share it with someone who needs support Leave a review Watch on our Human Intimacy YouTube channel Our goal is to help as many people as possible find hope, clarity, and healing.
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The Data of Devastation: Early Insights from the Grief After Betrayal Impact Scale (Rise Season 2, Episode 12)
The Data of Devastation: Early Insights from the GABIS In this solo episode, betrayal trauma expert and host MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, shares early findings from the Grief After Betrayal Impact Scale (GABIS)—drawing directly from the voices and lived experiences of listeners in this community. This is the data of devastation. Not just numbers—but real accounts of grief, identity loss, and the unraveling of reality after sexual betrayal. Because research in this area is limited, these listener-informed insights offer a rare and powerful look at what betrayal trauma actually takes—from a person’s sense of self, safety, and connection. Be sure to check out this episode @youtube.com/Human-Intimacy to view the data charts and slides. What You’ll Hear in This Episode MaryAnn walks through key early insights from survey responses, including: Why staggered disclosure is more common—and more damaging—than most people realize The reality that many betrayed partners are left to discover the truth on their own The sharp drop in identity and self-trust after betrayal The most common and painful forms of grief reported by listeners Why so many people are suffering in silence Where support is helping—and where it’s falling short The often-overlooked physical and health impacts of betrayal trauma One of the Most Striking Patterns Across responses, one theme rose above the rest: Loss. Not just loss of a relationship—but loss of: identity safety trust reality and the future that once felt certain As one listener shared: “It’s the decades of never being truly known… the invisibility.” Why This Conversation Matters Grief after betrayal is often misunderstood—or missed entirely. This episode brings language to that experience, helping listeners recognize: This is grief This is trauma And this response makes sense Listen If You’re… Trying to make sense of your emotional response after betrayal Feeling like you’ve “lost yourself” Wondering why this feels so much bigger than just the betrayal Looking for validation, language, and understanding Explore the Full Data This episode highlights key findings—but there is more to the story. Watch the full podcast with visuals: YouTube.com/human-intimacy Contribute your experience to the ongoing survey https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Grief-scale Access the full presentation from the Human Intimacy Conference A Final Word If this episode resonates with you: You are not overreacting. You are not alone. What you’re experiencing is real—and it deserves care, support, and understanding. If this episode helped you, consider sharing it. Someone else may need to hear that they’re not alone in this. And as always—take care of yourself.
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Why Betrayal Gets Worse After Discovery (What No One Tells You) with Darrell Brazell (Rise Season 2, Episode 11)
Why Betrayal Gets Worse After Discovery (What No One Tells You) What actually happens after betrayal is discovered? In this episode of Rise: Hope & Healing After Sexual Betrayal, MaryAnn Michaelis LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, and expert Pastor Darrell Brazell, PSAP, unpack the exposure phase (D-Day) using Dr. Omar Minwalla’s 22 Rooms of Betrayal framework. They discuss why many partners experience increased confusion, trauma, and emotional harm after discovery, not less—and how integrity abuse behaviors play a central role and can intensify during this time. This episode includes discussion of sexual betrayal, deception, intentional abuse behaiors and betrayal trauma, which may be activating for some listeners—especially those early in their healing journey. Please listen gently and take care of yourself as you go. You’re encouraged to pause, take breaks, or return at another time if needed. You are always in control of how and when you engage with this content. What’s Discussed This conversation walks through common dynamics that emerge after discovery, including patterns like gaslighting, minimization, blame-shifting, and ongoing deception. It also highlights the painful mismatch many couples experience—where one partner is just beginning to process the truth while the other may already be in a very different place emotionally. The episode also touches on staggered disclosure (or “trickle truth”) and why it can be especially damaging, as well as the continued patterns that often show up even after recovery has begun. Recovery Realities MaryAnn and Darrell discuss why healing doesn’t end with discovery or even disclosure. Trust remains fragile, trauma responses can persist, and harmful patterns may continue without intentional change. The conversation emphasizes that healing takes time, and there is no quick or linear path forward. Closing Perspective For many betrayed partners, discovery can bring both pain and clarity—helping make sense of things that never quite added up before. This episode offers language and insight into these experiences, reminding listeners that what they’re feeling is valid and that they are not alone. Key Takeaways Betrayal trauma is complex and long-lasting Integrity abuse behaviors often intensify after discovery Staggered disclosure significantly increases trauma Healing requires consistent accountability, not quick fixes Safety and trust are rebuilt slowly over time Resources Human Intimacy Companion Course: humanintimacy.com IAB Resource List Dr. Omar Minwalla’s “22 Rooms of Betrayal” resources The Grief After Betrayal Impact Scale (GABIS) survey Listener Support If this episode resonates with you: Share it with someone who may feel alone Follow the podcast for ongoing support Reach out for professional or community care Primary Keywords: betrayal trauma, sexual betrayal recovery, integrity abuse, gaslighting in relationships, D-Day discovery, partner betrayal healing, disclosure trauma, emotional abuse patterns, relationship recovery after infidelity, Dr. Omar Minwalla,
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Grieving Lost Reality:Gaslighting, Abuse, and Intentional Deception with Darrell Brazell (Rise Season 2, Episode 10)
In this powerful continuation of last week’s conversation, MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT is joined again by Pastor Daryl Brazell, PSAP where they unpack the deeper dynamics of deception in sexual betrayal, based on Darrell's work with Dr. Omar Minwalla. Together they expand on Minwalla's secret sexual basement metaphor, explore how secrecy, shame, and manipulation create an “intentionally manipulated reality”—a gaslighting dynamic that can leave partners questioning their instincts, their memories, and even their connection to their own intuition. Daryl shares a visual model originally developed by Dr. Omar Minwalla, which illustrates the painful forced choice many betrayed partners experience: believing their partner’s words or trusting what their body and gut already know. The conversation also introduces the concept of Integrity Abuse Behaviors—patterns of deception and manipulation that maintain the secret sexual life at the expense of the partner’s emotional and psychological safety. Listeners will hear: How gaslighting and manipulated reality erode a partner’s trust in their own instincts The “Zero Factor”: how toxic shame and hidden secrets undermine intimacy and connection Why betrayed partners often feel trapped between their gut intuition and attachment bond The three phases of deceptive sexuality as identified by Dr. Omar Minwalla Covert Phase – when the secret life is hidden Exposure Phase – discovery and disclosure Symptom Progression Phase – the long aftermath after discovery Common Integrity Abuse behaviors such as lying by omission, blame shifting, manipulation, and withholding critical information Why many betrayed partners feel isolated, confused, and unsure who or what to trust How naming and understanding these patterns helps begin the grief and healing process MayAnn also discusses why grief is an essential part of recovery. When we finally have language for what happened, the brain can begin integrating the emotional experience with a coherent story—allowing healing to begin. If this conversation brings up strong emotions, we encourage you to pause, journal, or reach out to a trusted support person. Naming these experiences can be painful—but it is also an important step toward reclaiming clarity and healing. Resources Mentioned The Grief After Betrayal Impact Scale (GABIS) survey Human Intimacy Conference recordings available at HumanIntimacy.com Integrity Abuse Behavior lists and recovery resources referenced by Pastor Brazell Share the Podcast If this episode resonates with you, please consider sharing it with someone who may need support on their healing journey. No one should have to navigate betrayal trauma alone.
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The Hidden Damage of Betrayal: The Secret Sexual Basement & the Grief We Don’t See with Pastor Darrell Brazell (Rise Season 2, Episode 9)
The Hidden Damage of Betrayal: The Secret Sexual Basement & the Grief We Don’t See with Darrell Brazell, PSAP (Rise Season 2, Episode 9) Show Notes In this powerful conversation, MaryAnn Michaelis LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, welcomes pastor, recovery leader, and longtime colleague Darrel Brazell PSAP, to explore one of the most validating frameworks for understanding betrayal trauma: Dr. Omar Minwalla’s “Secret Sexual Basement.” Many betrayed partners sense that something is wrong long before the truth is revealed. They smell the “toxic fumes,” feel the disconnection, and question their own instincts—often because years of gaslighting have forced them to doubt what their body and intuition already know. In this episode, MaryAnn and Darrel unpack why betrayal trauma creates such profound grief—and why that grief often extends far beyond the behaviors themselves. Together they explore how deception erodes trust not only in a partner, but in one’s own gut, voice, health, identity, and even faith. If you’ve ever wondered why betrayal feels so disorienting and devastating, this conversation will help put words to experiences many partners struggle to explain. In This Episode The Secret Sexual Basement metaphor How hidden sexual behavior creates a toxic relational environment long before discovery. Intentionally Manipulated Reality (IMR) Why gaslighting forces partners into an impossible “lose–lose” decision between trusting their gut or trusting their partner. The “Second Brain” Injury How chronic deception damages the gut-brain connection and leads many partners to lose trust in their own instincts. Betrayal Blindness and Self-Abandonment Why partners often suppress what they know internally in order to maintain attachment and emotional survival. The physical toll of betrayal trauma How chronic stress, suppression of emotions, and relational trauma may contribute to health issues. Faith and spiritual wounding after betrayal Why many partners experience deep spiritual grief when betrayal intersects with faith, marriage covenants, and religious communities. Why grief work is essential for healing Darrel shares a powerful truth: those who heal well are often those who learn to grieve well. Resources Mentioned Grief After Betrayal Impact Scale (Survey) If you haven’t yet taken the survey, you can access the updated working link in the show notes. Your participation helps expand research on the real impacts of betrayal trauma. Human Intimacy Conference 📅 March 13–14 Join clinicians with over 200 years of combined experience working with individuals struggling with sexual addiction and betrayal trauma. Use promo code 30OFF for 30% off registration. Take Care of Yourself This episode discusses heavy topics including trauma, gaslighting, and spiritual wounds. If this conversation stirred something inside you, consider taking a moment to care for yourself: Drink some water Step outside, breathe deeply, take a short walk Reach out for connection Healing after betrayal is possible—and you don’t have to walk the path alone. If this episode helped you, please: Follow the podcast Share it with someone who may need it Subscribe and like on YouTube to help more partners find these resources Together, we can continue bringing hope, validation, and healing to those navigating life after sexual betrayal.
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Should I Stay or Should I Go? Grief, Choice and Healing After Sexual Betrayal with Dr. Karen Strange (Rise Season 2, Episode 8)
Should I Stay or Should I Go? Grief, Choice, and Healing After Sexual Betrayal with Dr. Karen Strange Host: MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT Guest: Dr. Karen Strange, LMFT, CSAT, CPTT MaryAnn welcomes Dr. Strange back to conclude the grief and loss series, focusing on the deeply personal and complex decision many betrayed partners face: Should I stay or should I go?, offering validation, practical guidance, and reassurance that healing is nonlinear — and that hope grows when individuals reclaim choice, safety, and support. The episode also includes a link to a recording of the Human Intimacy Pre-Conference Q&A with Dr. Kevin Skinner, Michelle Mays, Darrell Brazell, Dr. Strange and MaryAnn as they field questions from viewers, an invitation to participate in a grief-and-loss survey addressing the limited research in this area and a preview of the upcoming Human Intimacy Conference (March 13–14, 2026). Topics Covered The “Stay or Go” Decision Why this question feels urgent after betrayal The importance of slowing down before making permanent decisions Exceptions when immediate safety (e.g., domestic violence) requires swift action Nervous System Regulation Shock, rage, confusion, and disorientation as normal trauma responses Regulating the nervous system to support rational, grounded decision-making The Power of Choice Reclaiming agency after betrayal The right to choose — and the right to change your mind Empowerment through informed, intentional decisions Betrayal Grief vs. Death Grief The complexity of grieving someone who is still alive Ongoing relational ambiguity How unresolved betrayal grief can resurface after divorce or remarriage The Importance of Witnessing Why grief needs compassionate support The healing power of peer connection The scarcity of structured resources for betrayal grief Research on Betrayed Men Dr. Strange’s doctoral research interviewing 11 betrayed men The lack of research and support specifically for men The value of creating space for underrepresented voices Sexual Reintegration Barriers couples face when attempting to rebuild intimacy Emotional, relational, and trauma-related obstacles Hope for renewed connection when healing work is intentional Grief Exercise: Expectations vs. Reality Identifying the gap between what was hoped for and what occurred Naming losses clearly and concretely Reframing hope as agency — having plans, options, and forward movement Resources Human Intimacy Conference Pre-Session Q&A 2/26/26 2nd Annual Online Human Intimacy Conference Grief After Betrayal Impact Scale Men's Betrayal Group - send email to [email protected]
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Loss Before Grief: Rebuilding After Betrayal with Dr. Kevin Skinner (Rise Season 2, Episode 7)
Loss Before Grief: Rebuilding After Betrayal Take the Grief After Betrayal Scale We often say “grief and loss.” But what if it’s actually loss first — then grief? In this episode, MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT and Dr. Kevin Skinner, LMFT, CSAT, CPTT explore the profound and often unnamed experience of loss after betrayal — and how grief emerges only after we cognitively realize what has actually been taken from us. Because betrayal is not just trauma. It is the loss of: The reality you thought you were living The identity you believed you held Your sense of stability Your worth Your attachment security The future you imagined At first, there is shock. Survival. Chaos. It may take months — sometimes a year or more — before the mind can say: “This is grief.” That cognitive realization changes everything. Betrayal involves the loss of: The reality you believed you were living The partner you thought you knew Your internal stability Your identity Your sense of worth Only when the loss is named can grief begin to organize. Naming the Pain Without language, pain remains chaotic. MaryAnn references the German word Schmerz — deep emotional and mental anguish — capturing the soul-level rupture many betrayed partners experience. When we can say, “I am grieving,” healing begins. Identity Collapse & Secure Self-Attachment Betrayal often destabilizes self-trust and worth. Healing requires: Re-identifying personal value Validating your emotional experience Rebuilding trust with yourself Securely attaching to yourself Attachment research (Bowlby; Mikulincer & Shaver) supports this internal reorganization as part of recovery. The Power of Trauma Narratives Telling your story helps the brain reorganize trauma. Research by James Pennebaker shows that expressive writing reduces depressive symptoms and improves emotional integration. Each time the story is told: Meaning deepens Emotional intensity shifts Integration strengthens The story changes because healing is occurring. From Grief to Resilience Grief is not a stage to bypass — it is a process to move through. As described in grief research (Worden), healing involves: Acknowledging the loss Feeling the pain Adjusting to a new reality Reinvesting in life with meaning Resilience grows when grief is honored — not rushed. Resources Grief After Betrayal Scale Rise: Online Course Human Intimacy Conference (Online March 13–14) Feb Promo 30OFF, March 20OFF https://www.humanintimacy.com Selected References Bowlby, Loss: Sadness and Depression Mikulincer & Shaver, Attachment in Adulthood Worden, Grief Counseling and Grief Therapy Pennebaker, Opening Up If you are navigating betrayal: You are not weak. You are not overreacting. You are grieving. And grief honored becomes strength reclaimed.
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Grieving through Burbles, Triggers, and Trauma-Anniversaries, with Dr. Karen Strange (Rise Season 2, Episode 6)
Grieving through Burbles, Triggers, and Trauma-Anniversaries, with Dr. Karen Strange Episode Summary Grief is something every human experiences—but grief after betrayal trauma carries a unique kind of pain. In this episode, MaryAnn Michaelis LCSW, CSAT, CPTT and Dr. Karen Strange PhD, LMFT, CSAT, CPTT continue their powerful series on grief and betrayal, exploring why healing feels messy, unpredictable, and often overwhelming. If you’ve ever wondered why emotions hit you out of nowhere, sometimes even decades later… why you feel numb one day and furious the next… or why your body seems to remember things your mind tries to forget—this conversation will help you feel seen, validated, and less alone. Together, they discuss the truth many betrayed partners discover: betrayal can feel like a death—not only of a relationship, but of identity, safety, and the future you thought you were building. This episode is compassionate, raw, and deeply grounding for anyone navigating the emotional aftermath of sexual betrayal. In This Episode, You’ll Learn: Why grief is not linear—and why it often feels like a “squiggly mess” How betrayal trauma mirrors the death of a relationship and the loss of reality Why people often experience grief as confusion, powerlessness, and loss of self What “delayed grief” is and why emotions can resurface years later Why numbness is a normal survival response (and not a sign you’re broken) How “trauma-versaries” can affect the body even when you don’t realize it The importance of having your story witnessed—without someone trying to “silver line” your pain How anger and rage can show up in grief, and how to safely discharge that energy through the body Why acceptance is often the moment emotions begin to intensify—not disappear A Powerful Reminder: Grief doesn’t end. It evolves. And healing doesn’t mean you never feel pain again—it means learning how to honor what you’ve lost, hold compassion for yourself, and create space for your story to land. If This Episode Resonated With You… Please like and share it with someone who may be silently carrying grief after betrayal. You are not alone, and you were never meant to heal alone. 🔗 Companion Course: Find support and resources at humanintimacy.com If this podcast helps you, please consider leaving a review—it helps other hurting hearts find support. _________________________________________________________________________ Join Us! Human Intimacy Conference, Online March 13 & 14, 2026 use Promo 30OFF Check out our new Youtube channel to access all of Human Intimacy's podcasts: youtube.com/@human-intimacy ________________________________________________________________________ Resources and References Kübler-Ross, E. (1969). On Death and Dying. Kessler, D. (2019). Finding Meaning: The Sixth Stage of Grief. Perel, E. (2017). The State of Affairs: Rethinking Infidelity. Brown, B. (2012). Daring Greatly. Levine, P. A. (1997). Waking the Tiger. Levine, P. A. (2010). In an Unspoken Voice. Neff, K. (2011). Self-Compassion. Doka, K. J. (1989). Disenfranchised Grief. Freyd, J. J. (1996). Betrayal Trauma. van der Kolk, B. (2014). The Body Keeps the Score. Ogden, P., Minton, K., & Pain, C. (2006). Trauma and the Body.
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The Grief of Betrayal: Loss that No One Talks About, with Kris Cristiano (Rise Season 2, Episode 5)
Show Notes Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal Season 2 Episode Title: The Grief of Betrayal: Loss that No One Talks About Healing from sexual betrayal is not something you were meant to do alone. In this episode of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, host MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT is joined again by Kris Cristiano, LCSW, CSAT, for an honest and grounding conversation about one of the most misunderstood aspects of betrayal trauma recovery: grief. Together, MaryAnn and Kris explore how grief is not only connected to death, but to the loss of an entire reality—safety, trust, identity, expectations, and the future a betrayed partner believed they were living toward. They discuss why betrayal trauma creates a uniquely destabilizing grief experience, particularly because the loss is non-consensual and often leaves partners feeling disoriented, unsafe, and unable to trust their own perceptions. This episode also highlights why healing requires connection, not isolation. Betrayed partners often carry their pain silently due to shame, fear, or a desire to protect their spouse’s reputation. MaryAnn and Kris emphasize that grief must be witnessed and validated in order for the nervous system to stabilize and for healing to begin. If you are feeling overwhelmed, numb, angry, or stuck, this episode offers language, clarity, and hope—reminding listeners that grief can become part of your story, but it does not have to become your identity. In This Episode, We Discuss: Why grief is a core component of betrayal trauma recovery How grief is not just about death, but about the loss of a familiar life The difference between traditional grief and betrayal-related grief How betrayal disrupts the nervous system and creates disorientation Why grief is not linear (and why that matters for healing) The impact of shame, secrecy, and “walking wounded” isolation How community and safe connection help regulate emotional overwhelm Why grief must be witnessed and validated to heal How to begin identifying personal losses after betrayal Hope for moving forward without being defined by betrayal Key Takeaways Betrayal grief often includes the loss of identity, future dreams, and safety. Many trauma symptoms (anger, anxiety, hypervigilance, numbness) are grief responses. Healing happens through support and connection—grief is not meant to be carried alone. The goal is not to erase the story, but to integrate it without being consumed by it. Mentioned in This Episode Disenfranchised grief (grief that isn’t socially recognized or supported) The importance of validation and witnessing in the healing process Neurobiology of grief and how the brain struggles to reorient after betrayal The Human Intimacy Conference (March 13–14) Resources Rise Companion Course: humanintimacy.com, Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal Questions / Contact: [email protected] (send questions you'd like addressed at the Human Intimacy Conference) Human Intimacy Conference: March 13–14 (Online + recordings available) Use: 30OFF promo code Upcoming Episodes MaryAnn and guests will the grief series in upcoming weeks, including: Delayed grief Attachment patterns and grief How to live with grief without losing yourself If This Episode Helped You… Please consider sharing this podcast with someone who may be suffering in silence. Healing is hard—but you don’t have to do it alone.
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”Are You There for Me?” Understanding the Role of Attachment in Rebuilding Trust After Betrayal with Dr. Kevin Skinner (Season 2, Episode 4)
In this episode of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, MaryAnn Michaelis LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, welcomes back Dr. Kevin Skinner to continue Season Two’s series on rebuilding trust. Together they explore why rebuilding trust after betrayal is so complex, especially through the lens of attachment and trauma, based on Sue Johnson's core attachment question: “Are you there for me?” They explain how trust begins early in life, how it’s shaped by our experiences, and how betrayal trauma can mirror early attachment ruptures—often leading to protest, emotional overwhelm, shutdown, or feeling frozen while waiting for clarity or disclosure. MaryAnn and Dr. Skinner normalize grief, numbness, and uncertainty as natural trauma responses, not signs of failure or weakness. This episode gently reframes healing: trust doesn’t begin with forcing yourself to trust a partner again. It begins with self-trust, learning to listen to your body and emotions, finding safe support, and allowing honesty about where you truly are. Trust, when it returns, is earned through presence, consistency, and repair—not pressure. If you’re unsure whether you can trust again—or even trust yourself—this conversation offers compassion, clarity, and hope. Episode Takeaways Trust after betrayal is a process, not a decision Betrayal trauma activates deep attachment wounds Feeling frozen, numb, or unsure is a normal trauma response Self-trust is foundational to healing and boundaries Earned trust grows through consistent repair and safety Resources The Still Face Experiment – Dr. Edward Tronick A visual illustration of attachment rupture and repair https://iceeft.com The Body Keeps the Score – Bessel van der Kolk, MD Human Intimacy Conference | March 13–14 Online conference featuring Dr. Skinner, MaryAnn Michaelis, Michelle Mays, Dr. Sheri Keffer, Dr. Karen Strange, Kris Cristiano, and more
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Rebuilding Self-Trust After Betrayal: Empowerment, Group Healing, and Learning to Trust Yourself Again, with Jennifer Johnson (Season2, Episode 3)
Rebuilding Self-Trust After Betrayal: Empowerment, Group Healing, and Learning to Trust Yourself Again Host: MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT Guest: Jennifer Johnson, CMHC, CSAT, CPTT Episode Summary Rebuilding trust after sexual betrayal begins not with your partner—but with yourself. In this deeply meaningful episode of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, host MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, sits down with her longtime mentor, colleague, and friend Jennifer Johnson, CMHC, CSAT, CPTT, for a powerful conversation on self-trust, group healing, and empowerment after betrayal trauma. Jennifer—who has worked with betrayed partners for over 15 years—shares clinical wisdom, lived experience, and practical metaphors that have shaped an entire generation of betrayal trauma therapists, including MaryAnn herself. Together, they explore how betrayal erodes a person’s sense of reality, safety, and self-confidence—and how trust can be rebuilt through validation, embodiment, boundaries, and resourcing. This episode is especially for listeners who feel confused, disconnected from their bodies, unsure of their reality, or afraid of their own reactions. Through stories, metaphors, and trauma-informed insight, MaryAnn and Jennifer offer a grounded path forward—one rooted in compassion, strength, and self-reliance. Key Topics Discussed Why sexual betrayal shatters self-trust and internal safety The power of group work and the healing impact of “me too” Why comparing betrayal stories minimizes pain—and why pain is pain The “drowning in 5 feet vs. 20 feet of water” metaphor How gaslighting and shame erode self-trust Learning to trust your body after trauma responses and triggers Why self-trust is independent of a partner’s recovery The “Water Your Own Tree” analogy: differentiation and empowerment Resourcing yourself for safety and stability Trauma as powerlessness—and why action restores agency The stages of healing: victim → survival → thriving The “getting hit by a bus” metaphor for trauma, recovery, and relearning trust Why healing does not mean abandoning the relationship The role of therapy, groups, books, and community in rebuilding trust Key Takeaways Betrayal trauma disrupts your sense of reality—but you are not crazy Self-trust is rebuilt through validation, embodiment, and action Group healing reduces isolation and restores internal safety You can strengthen yourself without moving away from your partner Empowerment comes from recognizing your resources and choices Healing is a process—and different stages require different care Trusting yourself means learning what your body, emotions, and intuition need now Metaphors & Frameworks Shared Water Your Own Tree: Strengthening yourself without abandoning the relationship Drowning Is Drowning: Pain does not need to be compared to be valid Preparing resources for safety and self-reliance Getting Hit by a Bus: Trauma recovery as stabilization, rehabilitation, and relearning trust Victim → Survival → Thriving: Normal stages of betrayal trauma healing Books Recommended in This Episode Intimate Deception – Sheri Keffer, PhD The Betrayal Bind – Michelle Mays, LPC Ambushed by Betrayal Workbook About the Guest Jennifer Johnson, CMHC, CSAT and CPTT, is a Clinical Mental Health Counselor based in Farmington, Utah, specializing in betrayal trauma recovery for over 15 years. She is a mentor to clinicians, a trusted guide to betrayed partners, and a passionate advocate for trauma-informed, empowerment-based healing. Jennifer also brings lived experience as a betrayed partner, offering deep empathy and credibility to her work. About the Host MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, Certified Sex Addiction Therapist, and Certified Partner Trauma Therapist. She is the founder of HART Recovery Institute (Healing Addiction, Relationships, Trauma) and the host of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal. MaryAnn is also a recovering betrayed partner and a dedicated voice for compassionate, trauma-informed care. Additional Support If you are in the early days of betrayal or seeking structured guidance, explore: Season 1 of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal (Stabilization) Therapist-led groups and the online course Rise: Hope and Healing After Betrayal Resources available at humanintimacy.com **You are not alone. Your pain is valid. And learning to trust yourself again is possible.
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Rebuilding Trust through BRAVING: A Journey of Hope for Betrayed Partners with Dr. Karen Strange (Season: 2, Episode #2)
Rise: Hope and Healing from Sexual Betrayal Rebuilding Trust After Betrayal: BRAVING, A Journey of Hope for Betrayed Partners with Dr. Karen Strange Host: MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT Guest: Dr. Karen Strange, PhD, LMFT, CSAT, CPTT Episode Summary Healing from sexual betrayal is not something anyone is meant to navigate alone. In this Season 2 episode of Rise: Hope and Healing from Sexual Betrayal, host MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, is joined by colleague and friend Dr. Karen Strange, PhD, LMFT, CSAT, CPTT, for a deeply compassionate conversation about stabilizing after betrayal and rebuilding trust—first with yourself, and then, if appropriate, with a partner. Together, MaryAnn and Karen explore betrayal through both clinical insight and lived experience, addressing the profound shock, grief, and disorientation betrayed partners often face. Using Brené Brown’s BRAVING framework, they break down trust into understandable, actionable components while emphasizing that trust is rebuilt through behavior over time, not promises or pressure. This episode also introduces the powerful Kintsugi bowl metaphor—the Japanese art of repairing broken pottery with gold—as a symbol of post-betrayal healing, growth, and meaning-making after profound rupture. If you are early in betrayal trauma recovery, struggling with self-doubt, or feeling pressured to “move on” before you feel safe, this conversation offers grounding, validation, and hope. Key Topics Discussed Why betrayal trauma often mirrors PTSD Stabilization as the first priority after sexual betrayal The Kintsugi bowl as a metaphor for healing after being “shattered” Why trust is cognitive, not emotional Brené Brown’s BRAVING framework applied to betrayal recovery: Boundaries Reliability Accountability Vault (confidentiality and discernment) Integrity Non-judgment Generosity Trusting behavior over words Gaslighting, self-doubt, and learning to trust your body again The role of accountability, support groups, therapy, and sponsors Why over-disclosure can retraumatize betrayed partners Rebuilding trust with yourself through self-compassion Key Takeaways Healing takes time—and time is your ally, not your enemy Trust is rebuilt through consistent, observable behavior, not urgency You are allowed to share your story; your partner owns theirs Self-compassion is foundational to stabilization and recovery Listening to your body is a powerful form of wisdom You can actively engage in healing while you wait for clarity Exercises Shared in This Episode 1. The BRAVING Self-Trust Exercise Write down B-R-A-V-I-N-G and reflect on what you need in each area to rebuild trust with yourself. 2. Daily Self-Compassion Practice Visit self-compassion.org (Kristin Neff, PhD) and choose a brief daily practice to support stabilization, reduce shame, and restore internal safety. Resources Mentioned Brené Brown – BRAVING: Trust Framework Kristin Neff, PhD – Self-Compassion Practices Therapist-led courses and groups for betrayed partners: humanintimacy.com About the Guest Dr. Karen Strange, PhD, LMFT, CSAT, CPTT, is a licensed marriage and family therapist practicing in South Carolina. She brings both professional expertise and lived experience as a betrayed partner, offering deep empathy, wisdom, and hope to individuals and couples healing after betrayal. About the Host MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, Certified Sex Addiction Therapist, and Certified Partner Trauma Therapist. She is the founder of HART Recovery Institute (Healing Addiction, Relationships, Trauma) and the host of Rise: Hope and Healing from Sexual Betrayal. MaryAnn is also a recovering betrayed partner and a passionate advocate for trauma-informed, compassionate healing. If This Episode Helped You Please consider sharing, liking, or subscribing. You may help someone else feel less alone and more understood. You deserve healing. You deserve wholeness. And you don’t have to do this alone.
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Beyond the Marble Jar: Rebuilding Trust After Betrayal with Kris Cristiano (Season: 2, Episode #1)
Episode Summary Welcome to Season Two of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal. In this opening episode, host MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT is joined by Kris Cristiano, LCSW, CSAT, to explore one of the most painful and misunderstood aspects of betrayal trauma: trust. After Season One’s focus on immediate survival following discovery, Season Two shifts toward rebuilding—emotionally, relationally, and internally. MaryAnn and Kris unpack why trust cannot be rushed, demanded, or restored through checklists alone, and why safety and honesty must come first. Together, they deconstruct common misconceptions about trust, love, and forgiveness, explore the impact of complex and cumulative trauma, and introduce tangible markers of real recovery—what betrayed partners can actually look for over time without abandoning themselves. The conversation also highlights the critical importance of self-trust, nervous system awareness, and relational healing within safe communities. This episode offers grounding, clarity, and hope for anyone navigating betrayal trauma and wondering: How do I know what’s real now—and can I ever trust again? Show Notes In This Episode, You’ll Learn: Why trust, love, and forgiveness are not the same thing—and why confusing them causes harm How betrayal trauma and complex trauma amplify the loss of trust The Marble Jar metaphor and why trust must be rebuilt one action at a time Why sobriety, compliance, and “checking boxes” are not the same as true recovery The role of honesty and safety as the foundation for rebuilding trust How betrayed partners can begin rebuilding self-trust, even after betrayal blindness Why healing from betrayal trauma is relational and cannot be done alone How shame and self-blame interfere with recovery—and why they don’t belong there Key Takeaways: Trust is a gradual process that requires honesty and safety as foundational elements. Healing from betrayal involves understanding and dismantling complex trauma. Recovery is not a checklist but a heartfelt journey of personal growth. Building self-trust is crucial Neuroception and listening to your own body and instincts. A supportive community is vital for healing and offers essential insights and guidance. A Gentle Invitation: After listening, take a moment to write down one small thing you will do for yourself today or tomorrow—something realistic and achievable. Rebuilding trust begins by doing what you say you’ll do, even with yourself. Resources Mentioned: Blind to Betrayal by Jennifer Freyd The Intimacy Pyramid by Dan Drake and the Rapson-Smith model 25 Signs of REAL Recovery by Kris Cristiano Learn More & Continue Your Healing: Rise: Hope and Healing From Sexual Betrayal courses and resources: humanintimacy.com Human Intimacy Conference – March 13–14 Join us for insightful presentations, featuring leading experts in betrayal trauma recovery, including Kris Cristiano. Use PROMO Code: 40OFF 00:00 Introduction to Healing from Sexual Betrayal 01:11 Welcome to Season Two 01:44 Meet Chris Christiano 03:19 Understanding Trust After Betrayal 06:38 The Marble Jar Analogy 09:21 Complex Trauma and Self-Trust 22:08 Betrayal Blindness 30:14 Rebuilding Trust and Final Thoughts Connect With Us: Visit our website: humanintimacy.com Instagram: @HumanIntimacy Don't forget to like, share, and subscribe for more insights on healing and recovery. Your support helps others find the path to healing and understanding.
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Rise, Hope, and Healing After Sexual Betrayal: Closing Season One & Looking Toward Growth (Season 1: Episode #13)
Rise, Hope, and Healing After Sexual Betrayal: Closing Season One & Looking Toward Growth Summary In the final episode of Season One of Rise, Hope, and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, Dr. Kevin Skinner and licensed clinical social worker MaryAnn Michaelis reflect on the emotional journey of betrayal trauma and the foundational work required for healing. They validate the profound shock, grief, and disorientation that follow sexual betrayal, emphasizing that these reactions are normal responses to trauma—not personal failures. Throughout the conversation, they review core concepts introduced in the season, including emotional regulation, triggers, PTSD symptoms, somatic responses, polyvagal theory, boundaries, self-care, and identity repair. Healing is framed not as a linear or finished state, but as a “both/and” process—one where growth and difficult days can coexist. Using metaphors such as home remodeling, forest fires, peeling an onion, and run-walk marathons, they illustrate how healing unfolds slowly, layer by layer. They highlight post-traumatic growth, noting that while no one chooses betrayal, many survivors develop deeper self-awareness, stronger boundaries, renewed creativity, and a reclaimed sense of self-worth. The episode also looks ahead to Season Two, which will focus on the second stage of healing—internal work, rebuilding trust (especially trust in self), and deeper application of tools learned in Season One. The hosts emphasize the importance of community, trauma-informed practices, and self-compassion, ending with a message of hope: healing is possible, identity can be restored, and no one has to walk this journey alone. Resources Mentioned or Referenced Programs & Educational Resources Rise, Hope, and Healing After Sexual Betrayal (Course) A structured healing course focused on assessments, internal work, parts work, boundaries, trust, and trauma recovery. Available via HumanIntimacy.com Rise, Hope, and Healing Podcast Focused specifically on betrayed partners and the stages of betrayal trauma recovery. Human Intimacy Podcast Broader conversations on intimacy, healing, and recovery. Therapeutic Approaches & Concepts Betrayal Trauma & PTSD Post-Traumatic Growth Polyvagal Theory Somatic (Body-Based) Healing Emotional Regulation Boundary Setting Self-Compassion Trust (Self-Trust & Relational Trust) Group Support & Community Healing Trauma-Informed Yoga Mindfulness Practices Professional Credentials Referenced CSAT – Certified Sex Addiction Therapist CPTT – Certified Partner Trauma Therapist Clinicians Featured or Upcoming (Season Two) Dr. Kevin Skinner MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW Dr. Karen Strange Chris Christiano Jennifer Johnson Books & Metaphors Referenced Beauty for Ashes (Biblical concept/book title referenced for meaning-making and growth after loss) Resilience research by Dr. Al Siebert (resilient mindset and “both/and” healing framework)
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When Self-Betrayal Hurts Most: Relearning to Trust Your Inner Voice After Sexual Betrayal (Season 1: Episode #12)
When Self-Betrayal Hurts Most: Relearning to Trust Your Inner Voice After Sexual Betrayal Episode Summary In this powerful episode of Rise: Hope & Healing After Sexual Betrayal, Dr. Kevin Skinner and MaryAnn Michaelis explore one of the most painful and complex layers of betrayal—self-betrayal. While a partner’s betrayal is deeply damaging, many betrayed partners describe an even more devastating wound: the moment they realize they stopped trusting themselves. We discuss the internal collapse that occurs when you silence your instincts, override your intuition, and ignore what your body and emotions tried to tell you. This creates deep internal chaos, confusion, and shame—because when you can’t trust yourself, where do you turn? This conversation also explores the importance of reconnecting with your values, intuition, emotional truth, and a personal Bill of Rights. We talk about why so many partners abandon themselves in the name of survival, loyalty, fear, or hope—and most importantly, how to gently rebuild self-trust, re-align with your inner wisdom, and begin living congruently again as you move into stabilization and deeper recovery. Resources Mentioned / Recommended Book: Treating Trauma from Sexual Betrayal — Dr. Kevin Skinner Concept Guide: Creating a Personal Bill of Rights After Betrayal Examples may include: “I have the right to trust my intuition.” “I have the right to emotional and physical safety.” “I have the right to ask questions and receive truthful answers.” Support & Education Rise Podcast & Healing Resources at HumanIntimacy.com Human Intimacy 100-Day Healing Programs & Courses Helpful Therapeutic Approaches Trauma-informed therapy / CSAT or CPTT clinicians Somatic and body-based healing approaches Boundary and values clarification work You’re Invited — Human Intimacy Conference If you’re looking for deeper healing, education, community, and hope, we invite you to join us at the upcoming Human Intimacy Conference. This powerful event brings together leading experts in betrayal trauma, recovery, and relationship healing—offering tools, insight, and connection to support your journey. 👉 Register here: https://humanintimacy.zohobackstage.com/HumanIntimacy2ndAnnualConference#/
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Rise: Finding Your Voice After Sexual Betrayal — Expression, Healing, and Being Witnessed (Season 1: Episode #11)
Rise: Finding Your Voice After Sexual Betrayal — Expression, Healing, and Being Witnessed Episode Summary In this episode of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, Dr. Kevin Skinner and MaryAnn Michaelis explore what it truly means to “find your voice” after betrayal. Many betrayed partners struggle to express overwhelming emotions such as anger, grief, confusion, and fear—often because they’ve never had permission, language, or safe places to speak their truth. Others feel they do have a voice, but need support in finding the right words and safe settings to tell their story. Dr. Skinner and MaryAnn discuss why expressing your story matters both emotionally and physically, highlighting research showing that suppressed emotions can increase depression and weaken the immune system. They talk about grief, trauma integration, and the importance of consolidating your narrative—what life felt like before betrayal, what changed after discovery, and how the experience is shaping your life now. Listeners will learn about healthy ways to express deep emotions (journaling, burn journals, therapy, group support, safe body-release strategies), the importance of being witnessed, and how finding your internal voice strengthens boundaries, empowerment, and healing. This conversation reminds every betrayed partner that your emotions matter, your story deserves space, and giving voice to your experience is a vital step toward recovery. Resources & Mentions RISE: Hope & Healing After Sexual Betrayal Online Course Guided exercises, assessments, journaling prompts, education, and structured healing tools to support your journey. https://www.humanintimacy.com Research on Expressive Writing & Emotional Health James W. Pennebaker – Opening Up: The Healing Power of Expressing Emotions Demonstrates the mental and physical health benefits of expressing emotions and telling your story. Healing Requires Witnessing & Storytelling Desmond Tutu & Mpho Tutu – The Book of Forgiving Discusses the importance of sharing your story, being witnessed, and honoring emotional wounds. Trauma & Meaning-Making Framework Discussion of narrative processing and trauma consolidation – understanding life before betrayal, the traumatic event itself, and how it changes you going forward. Support Through Connection Research highlighted by Wendy Watson Nelson & Dr. Jill Manning emphasizing connection and safe support as a critical factor in betrayal recovery. Therapy & Group Support Consider working with a betrayal-informed therapist or joining a betrayal trauma support group to process your experience safely.
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Boundaries: The Foundation of Healing after Sexual Betrayal (Season 1: Episode #10)
Boundaries: The Foundation of Healing After Sexual Betrayal Episode Summary In this episode of Rise: Hope & Healing from Sexual Betrayal, Dr. Kevin Skinner and MaryAnn Michaelis explore why boundaries are essential—not optional—for healing. They clarify common misunderstandings about boundaries, emphasizing that boundaries are not punishments, ultimatums, or attempts to control another person. Instead, they are acts of self-care rooted in values, safety, and personal responsibility. Drawing from clinical experience, real-life examples, and research-based frameworks, the conversation breaks down how boundaries function as “if–then” statements focused on how you will respond to protect yourself. The episode highlights the difference between healthy boundaries and rule-setting, the role of self-trust and follow-through, and why understanding your why is the key to confidence and consistency. Listeners will learn how boundaries support emotional safety, reduce resentment, and strengthen the inner core—especially after betrayal has shattered trust. The episode also addresses the fear that boundaries will damage relationships and reframes boundaries as a pathway to clarity, dignity, and, when possible, deeper connection. Key Takeaways Healing rarely occurs without clear, self-honoring boundaries Boundaries are about your response, not controlling someone else Effective boundaries are rooted in values, needs, and self-awareness Boundaries support safety, self-trust, and differentiation Letting go of outcomes is essential when setting boundaries Practicing boundaries builds confidence and reduces resentment Resources Mentioned Boundaries Course – Creating & Maintaining Healthy Boundaries Available at Boundary Basics Rise online Course: HumanIntimacy.com Vicki Tidwell Palmer, Boundaries Handbook for Women Dr. Henry Cloud & Dr. John Townsend, Boundaries Differentiation of Self (Bowen Family Systems Theory) Human Intimacy Courses & Educational Resources
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When Your Body Takes Over: Understanding the Somatic Response After Discovery (Season #1: Episode #9)
When Your Body Takes Over: Understanding the Somatic Response After Discovery In this powerful episode of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, Dr. Kevin Skinner and MaryAnn Michaelis explore what happens inside the body in the shocking moments and months following D-Day. Drawing from clinical research, somatic therapy, and lived experience, they explain why betrayed partners often feel rage, panic, numbness, dissociation, or complete shutdown—and why these reactions are normal, protective, and deeply physiological. MaryAnn and Dr. Skinner unpack the autonomic nervous system’s three instinctive responses—fight, flight, and freeze—and reframe them not as signs of “going crazy,” but as the body’s attempt to survive an emotional threat. They discuss how trauma is stored in the body, how healing occurs in waves, and how practices like titration, grounding, movement, and body awareness help gently release stored trauma. Listeners learn why behaviors that feel “out of character” (such as yelling, swearing, shutting down, or being unable to focus) are common after betrayal, and how anger often acts as a protective protest covering the deeper layers of grief and fear underneath. With compassion and clarity, the hosts offer tools for regulating overwhelming emotions, honoring the body’s pace, and finding glimmers of safety during chaos. They encourage listeners to use supportive relationships, healthy outlets, creativity, and somatic practices to slowly widen their window of tolerance and reconnect with their internal world. This episode is an essential guide for anyone trying to make sense of their body’s reactions after betrayal—and a reminder that healing requires patience, softness, and learning to listen inward. Resources Mentioned & Recommended Books & Theoretical Frameworks Deb Dana – Anchored and The Polyvagal Theory in Therapy (Understanding the autonomic nervous system, glimmers, and pathways to safety.) Dr. Stephen Porges – The Polyvagal Theory (Foundational neuroscience behind fight/flight/freeze responses.) Dr. Bessel van der Kolk – The Body Keeps the Score (How trauma is stored and released through the body.) Peter Levine – Waking the Tiger and Somatic Experiencing principles (Titration, pendulation, and body-based trauma healing.) Somatic Practices & Tools Tadasana (Mountain Pose) – A grounding posture used to regulate and reset the nervous system. Superman/Wonder Woman Pose – Posture-based confidence-building and nervous system shifting (Amy Cuddy research). Body scanning – Increasing awareness of where trauma, tension, or emotional energy is stored. Bilateral stimulation activities – Walking, swimming, chopping wood, or rhythmic creative movement. Related Human Intimacy Content Human Intimacy Podcast Episode #95 – Expanded discussion on somatic healing after trauma. Rise: Hope & Healing After Sexual Betrayal Online Course (In-depth assessments, body-based practices, reflective exercises, and guided healing modules.) Additional Supports Journaling prompts for emotional expression Safe support systems: friends, therapists, groups Creative outlets: cooking, music, art, writing Gentle physical practices: walking, yoga, swimming
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Gaslighting No More: Reclaiming Your Reality After Betrayal (Season 1: Episode #8)
Gaslighting No More: Reclaiming Your Reality After Betrayal Rise: Hope & Healing After Sexual Betrayal Episode Summary In this pivotal episode of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, Dr. Kevin Skinner and MaryAnn Michaelis take listeners into one of the most damaging elements of betrayal trauma: gaslighting. While the term is often used casually in modern culture, Kevin and MaryAnn break it down clinically and relationally, helping listeners understand how gaslighting reshapes a person’s reality and intensifies post-traumatic stress symptoms. MaryAnn explains the origins of the term and how betrayed partners often experience it as “crazy-making.” When someone senses something is off, but their partner denies, minimizes, or dismisses the concern, the betrayed partner begins to question not only their spouse—but themselves. Dr. Skinner shares the research behind his gaslighting scale and reveals a critical finding: gaslighting is the strongest predictor of PTSD symptoms among betrayed partners, even more influential than adverse childhood experiences. Together they describe how denial, blame, minimizing, hiding, and lying distort a betrayed partner’s internal compass. Gaslighting becomes a form of psychological abuse, causing confusion, self-doubt, and a loss of trust in one’s own instincts. This erosion of personal reality leaves many partners unsure of what is true and what to believe. The episode also highlights the path forward—what Gaslighting No More truly means. Dr. Skinner outlines the transformational role of a formal therapeutic disclosure, impact letter, and emotional restitution letter. These structured interventions help restore truth, rebuild safety, and begin repairing the relational damage caused by deception. MaryAnn emphasizes the importance of trained therapists, thoughtful pacing, and emotional support as couples engage in this process. Listeners are reminded: your reality matters, and reclaiming it is essential to healing. Whether within the relationship or individually, addressing gaslighting is foundational to restoring trust, clarity, and emotional stability. References & Resources Key Research & Clinical Foundations Skinner, K. — Internal research on gaslighting, deception, and PTSD correlations. Kefer, S. (2018). Intimate Deception: Healing the Wounds of Betrayal. Carnes, S. — ITAP foundational work on sex addiction and partner trauma. Vaughn, P. (1989). The Monogamy Myth. Research on the healing effects of discussing betrayal details. CDC Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACE) Study. Books & Concepts Mentioned Dr. Kevin Skinner – Treating Trauma from Sexual Betrayal Dr. Kevin Skinner – Rebuild Your Relationship After Sexual Betrayal Chapter 13: Gaslighting No More Psychological abuse dynamics Denial, blame, and deception patterns Therapeutic Disclosure Model (FTD) PTSD symptoms associated with betrayal trauma Professional and Supportive Resources IITAP.com — Directory of Certified Sex Addiction Therapists (CSAT) and Certified Partner Trauma Therapists (CPTT) HumanIntimacy.com/Rise — Free betrayal trauma assessment including gaslighting and PTSD indicators Human Intimacy educational groups, intensives, and therapeutic programs led by Dr. Skinner
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When Betrayal Reshapes How You See Yourself (Season 1: Episode #7)
When Betrayal Reshapes How You See Yourself Rise: Hope & Healing After Sexual Betrayal Episode Summary In this episode of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, Dr. Kevin Skinner and MaryAnn Michaelis explore one of the most painful and often hidden impacts of betrayal: how it reshapes the way you see yourself. After discovering sexual betrayal, many individuals experience a surge of negative self-beliefs — I’m not enough… something must be wrong with me… I should have known… I’m unlovable. Dr. Skinner describes this internal narrative as a “virus” that embeds itself in a person’s belief system, making it difficult to see oneself accurately or compassionately. MaryAnn explains how, developmentally, our brains are wired to seek approval, interpret social cues, and continually scan for safety. When betrayal shatters the foundation of a relationship, these systems go into overdrive, amplifying old insecurities, childhood patterns, and even generational messages about worth. Together, Kevin and MaryAnn highlight that while these negative cognitions feel overpowering, they are understandable responses to trauma — not reflections of your true value. Listeners are reminded of a crucial truth: your worth has never changed. Negative self-talk may be loud, but it is not accurate. Healing involves challenging distorted beliefs, surrounding yourself with trustworthy voices, and engaging in therapeutic tools that help reframe your internal narrative. The hosts discuss powerful interventions such as attachment-focused EMDR, cognitive reframing, and guided support from safe attachment figures. This episode offers clarity, validation, and hope for anyone struggling to reclaim their sense of identity after betrayal. Resources Books & Foundational Concepts Brené Brown – Daring Greatly, The Gifts of Imperfection (shame, worthiness, identity) Mark Wolynn – It Didn’t Start With You (generational trauma and inherited beliefs) Dr. Bessel van der Kolk – The Body Keeps the Score (trauma stored in the body) Francine Shapiro – EMDR framework and negative cognitions model Tools & Therapeutic Modalities Attachment-Focused EMDR Cognitive reframing and restructuring Identifying core negative beliefs (“I’m not enough,” “I’m unlovable”) Inner narrative awareness: If I could hear your thoughts 24/7… Using secure attachment figures (past or present) for grounding Human Intimacy Programs Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal https://www.humanintimacy.com/rise Human Intimacy Podcast episodes related to identity, shame, and worth Reclaim and trauma-focused intensives with Dr. Kevin Skinner
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Understanding and Responding to Triggers After Betrayal (Season 1: Episode #6)
Understanding and Responding to Triggers After Betrayal Episode Summary In this episode of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, Dr. Kevin Skinner and MaryAnn Michaelis explore one of the most common and confusing experiences after betrayal trauma: triggers. Drawing from clinical research, lived experience, and decades of therapeutic practice, they break down why triggers occur, how the body responds, and what partners can do to navigate them with greater clarity and self-compassion. Triggers often appear suddenly—at church, in a grocery store, during a conversation, while watching TV, or even in sleep. Dr. Skinner shares research showing that 80% of betrayed partners experience significant triggers across multiple settings due to heightened fear responses and hypervigilance. MaryAnn describes how the body becomes acutely attuned to cues of danger, often detecting subtle signals before the conscious mind can make sense of them. Listeners are guided through the internal experience of a trigger—tight chest, racing heart, sudden emotion—and learn how to identify, name, and regulate these physiological reactions. The episode introduces two powerful tools: “Name It to Tame It” (Dan Siegel) – Using language to bring the prefrontal cortex back online. The COAL Method – Curiosity, Openness/Observation, Acceptance, Loving-Kindness – to slow down reactions and respond intentionally. The hosts also discuss the difference between seeking external reassurance versus developing internal grounding strategies, the role of self-trust, and how to use tools like conscious breathing (including the “Yamaha breath”) to regulate the autonomic nervous system. This episode provides validation, practical tools, and hope—reminding listeners that triggers are not signs of weakness, but expressions of the body’s innate protective system. With understanding, support, and practice, betrayed partners can move from reacting in fear to responding with awareness, agency, and self-compassion. References Briere, J., & Scott, C. (2015). Principles of trauma therapy: A guide to symptoms, evaluation, and treatment (2nd ed.). SAGE Publications. Brown, B. (2012). Daring greatly: How the courage to be vulnerable transforms the way we live, love, parent, and lead.Gotham Books. Levine, P. A. (2010). In an unspoken voice: How the body releases trauma and restores goodness. North Atlantic Books. Porges, S. W. (2011). The polyvagal theory: Neurophysiological foundations of emotions, attachment, communication, and self-regulation. W. W. Norton. Scott, S. B., & Briere, J. (2006). “Exposure to interpersonal trauma and risk for posttraumatic stress disorder.” Clinical Psychology Review, 26(6), 615–625. Siegel, D. J. (2010). The mindful therapist: A clinician's guide to mindsight and neural integration. W. W. Norton. van der Kolk, B. A. (2014). The body keeps the score: Brain, mind, and body in the healing of trauma. Viking. Skinner, K. (2017). Treating Trauma from Sexual Betrayal. Growth Publishing. — Additional Resources: Rise: Hope and Healing Course
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Uncovering the Hidden Wound: Understanding Shame After Sexual Betrayal (Season 1: Episode 5)
Uncovering the Hidden Wound: Understanding Shame After Sexual Betrayal Summary: In this powerful episode of Rise: Hope and Healing from Sexual Betrayal, Dr. Kevin Skinner and Marianne Michaelis, LCSW, bring attention to an often overlooked wound—the betrayed partner’s shame. They unpack how shame takes root after discovery, transforming natural questions like “Why did this happen?” into painful self-blame—“I must not be enough.” Drawing from research showing that more than 70–80% of betrayed partners feel unlovable or stupid after betrayal, Dr. Skinner and Marianne explain how shame becomes internalized, influencing thoughts, relationships, and even the body’s physiology. Using insights from Brené Brown and Treating Chronic Shame, they reveal that shame is relational—it thrives in silence, secrecy, and judgment, and begins to heal through connection, voice, and support. The hosts explore practical ways to interrupt the “shame virus,” including naming shame’s physical signals, separating your worth from your partner’s choices, and finding safe, trained support to share your story. They remind listeners that shame cannot survive empathy and that every individual—regardless of betrayal, history, or mistakes—is born with infinite worth that cannot be lost. Listeners are invited to reflect, connect, and take the first step toward reclaiming their true identity beyond the betrayal story. Resources Available Rise: Hope and Healing from Sexual Betrayal Course A guided 12-session journey offering tools to understand trauma, process emotions, and rebuild identity after betrayal. 👉 https://www.humanintimacy.com/course/hope-and-healing-from-sexual-betrayal Human Intimacy Online Educational Support Group Join Dr. Skinner and Marianne Michaelis in an upcoming online group offering teaching, Q&A, and community support. Learn how to apply these concepts in real time with others walking the same path. Additional Resources Treating Trauma from Sexual Betrayal — Dr. Kevin Skinner’s book exploring the trauma response and pathways to healing. The Other Side of Infidelity — Dr. Skinner’s TEDx Talk explaining betrayal trauma and its impact. Treating Chronic Shame by Patricia DeYoung — referenced in this episode for understanding shame’s relational nature. Articles, podcasts, and free tools available at HumanIntimacy.com
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Keeping Your Boat Afloat: Self-Care That Stabilizes After Betrayal (Season 1: Episode 4)
Keeping Your Boat Afloat: Self-Care That Stabilizes After Betrayal (PIERS Framework) Summary: In this episode, Dr. Kevin Skinner and Marianne Michaelis reframe self-care as the essential stabilizer after discovery—not bubble baths, but daily practices that calm the nervous system and restore capacity. Using the PIERS framework(Physical, Intellectual, Emotional, Relational, Spiritual), they show how gentle movement (not overexertion) can switch off fight-or-flight, how learning gives language and edges to a blurry trauma story, and how naming and expressing emotions releases their grip. They highlight the power of connection—groups and one trusted person—to accelerate healing, and they broaden “spiritual” to include values, nature, and quiet reflection that settles the body and clears the mind. With habit-stacking tips (like listening to an audiobook while walking) and cautions against overwhelming already-taxed systems, the episode invites listeners to take one small, doable step today: choose a PIERS practice you can repeat tomorrow. The message is simple and compassionate—you are worth taking care of, and consistent self-care is how your boat stays afloat through the storm. Resources Available Rise: Hope and Healing from Sexual Betrayal Course A structured 12-session program with videos, assignments, and group support for betrayed partners. 👉 https://www.humanintimacy.com/course/hope-and-healing-from-sexual-betrayal Human Intimacy Online Community Join our upcoming educational support group with Dr. Skinner and Marianne Michaelis—weekly sessions, Q&As, and guided learning designed to provide tools and community for ongoing recovery. Additional Resources Treating Trauma from Sexual Betrayal – Dr. Kevin Skinner’s book exploring the science and path of recovery. The Other Side of Infidelity – Dr. Skinner’s TEDx Talk introducing the trauma model of sexual betrayal. Free articles, podcasts, and exercises available at HumanIntimacy.com
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You’re Not Going Crazy: Understanding Your Body’s Response to Betrayal through the Polyvagal Lens (Season 1: Episode #3)
You’re Not Going Crazy: Understanding Your Body’s Response to Betrayal through the Polyvagal Lens Episode Summary In this powerful episode of Rise: Hope and Healing from Sexual Betrayal, Dr. Kevin Skinner and MaryAnn Michaelis explore why betrayed partners often feel like they’re “going crazy” in the aftermath of discovery. Drawing on Dr. Stephen Porges’ Polyvagal Theory, they explain how your body’s automatic survival responses—fight, flight, or freeze—are not signs of instability but biological protections designed to keep you safe. Dr. Skinner and MaryAnn walk listeners through the physiological impact of betrayal trauma, describing how the nervous system reacts when safety is shattered. They discuss common physical symptoms such as sleeplessness, loss of appetite, and panic, explaining how these are natural outcomes of a body in distress. MaryAnn introduces practical grounding tools—like mindful breathing and body awareness—to help listeners reconnect with themselves, while Dr. Skinner emphasizes that healing begins by understanding and respecting the body’s instinct to protect. Together, they outline how to recognize where you are on the Polyvagal Ladder—whether in a state of ventral vagal calm, sympathetic arousal, or dorsal shutdown—and how to use gentle practices to move toward safety, regulation, and connection. This episode offers clarity and compassion for anyone feeling overwhelmed after betrayal, reminding listeners that you are not broken—you’re human, and your body is doing exactly what it was designed to do. 📚 Resources & References Porges, S. W. (2011). The Polyvagal Theory: Neurophysiological Foundations of Emotions, Attachment, Communication, and Self-Regulation. W. W. Norton & Company. Dana, D. (2018). The Polyvagal Theory in Therapy: Engaging the Rhythm of Regulation. W. W. Norton & Company. Siegel, D. J. (2012). The Whole-Brain Child: 12 Revolutionary Strategies to Nurture Your Child’s Developing Mind. Delacorte Press. Johnson, S. (2008). Hold Me Tight: Seven Conversations for a Lifetime of Love. Little, Brown Spark. Human Intimacy — Course: Rise: Hope and Healing from Sexual Betrayal – A 12-week guided program designed for betrayed partners to understand trauma, rebuild safety, and begin recovery. Worksheet: Mapping Your Polyvagal Responses – Included in the course to help you identify your nervous-system states and create personalized strategies for regulation.
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Your Not Crazy: How Sexual Betrayal Triggers PTSD Symptoms (Season 1: Episode #2)
Understanding PTSD Symptoms After Sexual Betrayal In this episode of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, Dr. Kevin Skinner and Marianne Michaels dive deep into why sexual betrayal is best understood through the lens of trauma and PTSD. They discuss the history of partner responses—moving away from the outdated “co-addict” model—and explain how research since the mid-2000s has validated that betrayed partners often experience symptoms identical to PTSD. Together, they explore the five PTSD criteria as they relate to betrayal: Criteria B: Reliving it through triggers, flashbacks, and nightmares. Criteria C: Avoidance of people, places, or even one’s own emotions. Criteria D: Negative mood and cognitions, including shame, self-blame, and feeling “not enough.” Criteria E: Hyperarousal and hypervigilance, including sleep issues and self-harm risk. Criteria A: Threats to life, including risks of STDs, sexual violence, or unsafe relationship dynamics. This episode emphasizes that betrayed partners are not crazy—their reactions are normal trauma responses. By identifying symptoms through proper assessments, betrayed partners can validate their experiences and take steps toward healing. 📚 Resources Mentioned Assessment: Trauma Inventory for Betrayed Partners (free access) Skinner, K. (2018). Treating Trauma from Sexual Betrayal. Stephens, B., & Rennie, R. (2006). Early research linking betrayal trauma with PTSD symptoms. American Psychiatric Association. (2013). DSM-5: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (for PTSD criteria). Additional Recommended Reading & Support Becker, M. (2019). Compassion for Couples: Building the Skills of Loving Connection. Mays, M. (2023). The Betrayal Bind: How to Heal When the Person You Love the Most Hurts You the Worst. Keffer, S. (2018). Intimate Deception: Healing the Wounds of Sexual Betrayal. HumanIntimacy.com — courses, resources, and upcoming retreats.
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Shattered Trust: The Day Everything Changed (Season 1: Episode 1)
Shattered Trust: The Day Everything Changed 🌱 Episode Summary In this opening episode of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, Dr. Kevin Skinner and MaryAnn Michaelis speak directly to those standing in the aftermath of discovery day—the moment life suddenly changes because of sexual betrayal. They share clinical expertise, personal stories, and research insights from thousands of betrayed partners to validate the shock, confusion, and pain that follow betrayal. Using powerful metaphors like “being hit by a truck,” they help listeners name the trauma and understand why the experience feels so overwhelming. Dr. Skinner and MaryAnn also outline how betrayal trauma mirrors the symptoms of PTSD, including intrusive thoughts, hypervigilance, avoidance, mood changes, and a deep sense of shattered safety. To bring grounding and relief amidst racing thoughts and overwhelming emotions, they introduce the 5-4-3-2-1 grounding tool, a simple yet powerful exercise that uses the five senses to calm the nervous system. Above all, this episode offers a message of hope: though life may feel broken beyond repair, healing is possible step by step, breath by breath. You are not alone, and there is a pathway forward. 📚 Resources Mentioned Assessment: Betrayal Trauma Symptom Assessment – measure your current experiences and begin tracking your healing journey. Book: Treating Trauma from Sexual Betrayal by Dr. Kevin Skinner – research-based guidance for understanding and healing betrayal trauma. Grounding Exercise: The 5-4-3-2-1 Tool (identify 5 things you see, 4 you feel, 3 you hear, 2 you smell, 1 you taste). 12-Step Insight: “A day at a time, a step at a time, a breath at a time.” – a reminder for pacing yourself in the healing process. Support: Visit humanintimacy.com/reclaim for resources, courses, and ongoing support for betrayed partners.
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
Rise is a podcast for anyone navigating the devastating impact of sexual betrayal. Season one, hosted by Dr. Kevin Skinner, Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, Certified Sex Addiction Therapist, and Certified Partner Trauma Therapist, alongside MaryAnn Michaelis, Licensed Clinical Social Worker and Certified Sex Addiction Therapist and Certified Partner Trauma Therapist, brings together over 50 years of combined professional and personal experience to offer hope, direction, and healing.Season two, hosted by MaryAnn Michaelis features weekly conversations with leading betrayal trauma experts exploring personal and clinical experience and observations, tools and resources for stabilizing, then thriving in post traumatic betrayal growth. Each episode blends research, clinical expertise, and real-life experience to address the
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